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- The big cruiser market really looks like it's done if you judge by the metric manufacturers. Metric manufactures have scaled back their offerings in the big cruiser v twin segment dramatically. It's like they've pretty much surrendered the big cruiser market to Harley-Davidson and Indian. But there still are metric big cruiser options with a v twin engine out there from Kawasaki and Yamaha. These are really the only two big players left producing a v twin engine other than Harley-Davidson and Indian Motorcycle.
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With the price so close to Harley and Indian would you still buy the Yamaha or would you go with the Kawasaki for way less?
I did go with the Vaquero. Intake, exhaust and tune for better than stock performance. Led lights front and rear. Stayed side by side with a street glide that had a 124 in it. For less than half the price!
I have a 2021 road king classic and that's my baby I love it. However the vaquero I believe is the best bang for the buck in the bagger market.
Being a HD owner...I love riding my HD...I have test rode the Yamaha Venture...Very impressed with it...But yes the price is alot and it doesnt have the fit and finish of an HD....But...I could see getting the 2018 Eluder version in a low mileage used for 15K out the door...As long as i could keep my HD too...
I would think that the resale value would stay higher on Harley or India.
Opted me to purchase one or the other and not the Yamaha
Indians hold their value just as well as a Harley, but metrics ain't worth nothing used.
I'm a Harley guy but the Yamaha Road Star was what Harley should have been especially engine wise at the time. The 1700 was an incredibly strong reliable motor. Loved mine.
Good stuff brother, HD it is lol💯
There's a lot of good reason to pay the extra money for the long haul with a Harley!
@@GixxerFoo I couldn't agree more brother
The main reason l have stuck with H-D over the years is service and parts availability.
That's an excellent reason to run a Harley, yeah they cost more but you have the assurance that you can actually keep the bike as long as you want.
@@GixxerFoo Yep . I've been riding my same Sporty for almost twenty years. And l bought it USED .
@@GixxerFoo yeah until the bike gets to be 10 years old and then they won't touch it
Its got wheels and a head light. Must be a harley
I'm good. I'll still keep riding my 1949 hand shift / foot clutch El Panhead and starting it with a kickstarter in one or two kicks.
One thing I noticed is.. yeah people buy HD over the metrics but you didn't mention that almost all of the HD owners dump thousands more into them before even leaving the dealership. Stage kits, mufflers, ecm mods, air filters etc.
Oh yeah for sure, that's part of the business model on Harley-Davidson. They make it very easy to get all that financed in on the bike.
Yamaha had the 4 valve engine a lot longer than Harley did, and I still own Harleys, but that Yamaha Roadstar and the whole star line are really nice running and handling bikes. If you can't afford a Harley a used Yamaha can be bought cheap and they are a nice big V Twin
V4 engine on the Yamahas. The V4 is the absolute most superior engine design. Harley inevitably will need to make a 4 cylinder to expand their sales.
Those Yamaha motors are strong and they sound pretty good too.
Ck your History. Back in the boardwalk racing days(early `20`s and late teens) Many manufactures had 4 valve heads. Indian, Harley, just to name a few. The M-8 is not new tech!
@@alanflower4228 I think we were talking about modern engines in modern times. Harley's mass production engine's only had two valves per cylinder until 2016 when they introduced the M8, which pretty much seems like a updated copy of the EVO which would have been good if it wasn't a mess when they first introduced it in 2017, I mean really, what company that has been building engines since 1903 doesn't think the engine needs to be vented, and I still own Harleys, just not one with the M8, I had nothing but issues with my 2017 Roadking and sold it, and it also took the aftermarket to come up with some kind of fix, my experience was not good with the new M8 or the Harley customer support experience
@@dougturngren5027 not how I read it either. I'd have ti agree with Allen yiu just took the high road after you were proved wrong.
As a yamaha guy I have to say the ugly venture bike is a beast,did I mention ugly, and in the summer a serious nut roaster,but for the money an Fjr-1300 is a bike that can do anything you ask, very fast,super easy to maintain, handles like on rails and cheap compared with the big V-twins,a new one is under 20k out the door and can easily go 200 k miles just changing the oil,easy choice fer me bob.....
There is only one true option for v-twin cruiser and touring motorcycles. All the rest are HD wanna be knock-offs. Get the real deal.
I have a 2004 Yamaha Road Star 1700 with 80k miles on it now. Paid $4000 for it, 6 years ago. I've owned Harleys and think they are beautiful, but so is my "Yamahawg", and the price and reliability are unmatched.
Kawaski makes a great bike. Problem is, their cruisers are as soul-less as they are bombproof.
I would have to agree, they are solid as I'll get out and I've seen some high mileage Kawasaki's over the years!
@@GixxerFoo almost every big used Kawasaki cruiser I see for sale is in terrible shape.
The trick to buying metric like the Yamaha TC or Kawasaki Vaquero or Voyager is to buy a left over 2 year old model at sometimes 5k less, especially on the Kawasakis. On the Kawasaki's go to Ivan's Performance Products and send in the ECU for a flashing and get a Big Air Kit. Add V and H ( maybe some others ) slip ons. All this for I am guessing 1500 dollars and you will get 90 hp and 115 lbs torque, which is a pretty good deal in my book. Or look around for a garage queen for a better deal. And the Kawasaki's are going to do you well, just do maintenance. I would have gone this route 5 years ago, but I bought a garage queen Victory Cross Country that is a fabulous bike.
My friends Mean Streak is a nasty bike, I might get one for myself
Awesome video!...my old 2006 yammi 1700 roadstar midnight silverado was a road king knock off!😉👍...I like my Harley though...will stick with them as long as they build them!...stay safe...ride safe!!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
I been riding over 40 years so I can remember when a 750cc Kawasaki would smoke the hell out of bikes twice that size now....the way I understand is the government got involved with dictating gear ratios and that destroyed the performance of the smaller engine bikes. I had a Kawasaki LTD 454 that I bought brand new in 1986 (the only brand new bike ive ever bought), and it would do 128mph giving it absolutely everything it had to give, had a LTD 750 that was stupid fast and the fastest ive ever been on a bike was on that one.
On a side note that 454 cost me $2,150. out the door. Theres absolutely no way in hell I would ever spend the kind of money these guys are asking for a new bike these days.
I wish we could go back to the time when good bikes and cars could be bought for $500.-$1,000. before the dollar was completely destroyed.
That's back in the day when power output was way ahead of chassis, suspension and brakes! Lol the 750 two strokes were called widow makers for good reason lol!
@@GixxerFoo lol nah it wasnt that bad bro, I rode a lot of those old bikes, brakes were fine, i will say the suspension was a lil softer than the newer offerings but nothing you couldnt handle. One time I was passed out in car and it got stolen, when I finally got out I had to push start my bike and ride home drunk as fk...if I could get home that drunk on a 1986 bike it couldnt be that bad lmao
The Gold Wing is still the king of touring bikes.
No doubt that thing is a easy chair built to go make laps around the entire country.
The discontinued Triumph Thunderbird line are actually great bikes with lots of torque. The main downside is the availability of aftermarket parts as well as some OEM. I have the Storm model - 1700cc with 98HP and 115lbs at the crank. It's a power cruiser, unlike the LT touring model, but nowhere near the long haul bike represented here.
This is why the BMW r18 will probably go the way of the buffalo as well. I love Beamers but the nearest dealer here in Texas is 109 miles away, and booked solid for services.
I bought a Super Chief last year and I love it.
My first choice would be the Harley, and my second choice would be , well the Harley, but my third choice would be...........the Harley 🤗
I am the same way, l prefer Harley,. But in all honesty if it wasn't a Harley l would have the Indian.
As far as the metric bikes go I've always been partial to the Kawasaki
Moto Guzzis are another choice when talking bout big cruiser/tourers.
There comes a time where TOO big becomes an issue. For example, a BMW R1100RT will get you where you need to go and get you 50 mpg. A Sportster 1200 will get you there and get you 50 mpg. Cruisers are not made to "race" anywhere, that is an oxymoron state. So, the metric section found out that 1800cc and 2053 cc is too much because their mpg went down to 30 - 35 mpg. The new bikes with the 1800 + cc get about 35 mpg. With gas going up to $5 +, motorcycles of large size become an issue. Of course, the media says we can all go out and travel the USA on the big tourers.... Got your vaccine? Got your big credit card? Got time to do it all with that $700 per month payment for that new cruiser/tourer? Nope, you just sit and polish that puppy in the garage.. Marketing today is fantastic. Most baby boomers can't ride across country because they are getting too old and cramp up over long trips. So, buy low priced and save yourself the trouble of expensive bikes. Remember, Officer Good ticket loves to give you that "limiting factor" on your engine speed and size. Also, truly how many people are going to have their engines taken a part and made bigger? Porn queens know that answer to that!!!! Size is their understanding....
It’s funny, H-D customer base is obviously dying off. Yet, each year, another group of successful 50 year olds emerge and dream of owning large American premium motorcycles. Personally, I’m grateful for Indian reemergence. Their product line is excellent and it’s good to give the MoCo some competition. Both products will be better for it.
All the haters out there gonna hate, seems human nature for some folks, but don’t be mad at the OG riding a large American scooter. Instead, work hard, plan your financial future, pray for a little luck in your endeavors and hopefully you’ll have some disposable income that you can waste on a new toy once your other obligations have been met.
Meanwhile, It’s a great time riding cross this great country with Nana on the back while pulling a trailer, total weight around 1700 lbs. A small displacement bike just won’t cut it.
I had an M109r Suzuki- open highway (110kmh) always got 60mpg (imperial gallons). Most economical bike I ever owned over 250cc. (CX500 only got 50mpg)
Yeah I’ll go with Harley as well because I wanna spend every penny I have to finish the motorcycle of my dreams because simply the factory didn’t!!! Don’t ask me how I know😜 Everyone is comparing something that is NOT a Harley to a Harley… The Honda Goldwing and the Yamaha whatever are the equivalent of Harley in the rest of the world same as the BMW K1600 series. It’s also the same idea that Harley is trying to achieve with the introduction of the Pan America! All great bikes nonetheless. Metric in the US is like buying a Harley in Pakistan or whatever. Hope you get my point. Great video there boss.
Hello, Gixxer, If you haven't done-so already, I think a video outlining the problems in the M8 primary case would be interesting for your viewers. The auto-primary chain tensioner and the compensator are problematical! Thanks!
Yeah they are, all that started on the twin cam 96 too! Here's the video on it th-cam.com/video/g3Ny5NYf9CQ/w-d-xo.html
"With Victory folding..." Nah, they were murdered.
I’ve owned the 113 Yamaha and it’s a excellent motor. Still find myself on a 103 Dyna. Certainly would not be afraid to run the yammahammer if I was on a budget. I’d slap some shocks on a 5 grand sporty before I’d have any of the others. I’ve had two of those and have found them super reliable and cost effective to run.
Yamaha builds an awesome motor and they are very reliable. Sportster has to be the best motor Harley ever built, they are pretty much bullet proof.
I like Harley Davidson but I've always been partial to the Vulcan. I really like the Vaquero. My uncle rides a Raider and has put well over 100 thousand miles on it with minimal maintenance.
I think Indian will go the way of victory sooner than later
Their sales are solid and growing. The CEO is not playing the "Premium" games. The challenger is a solid advancement. I own 2 Harleys but I see the younger generation leaning away from Harley and they are the future.
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Ok I didn’t think they were doing good. I see thousands of bikes on Sundays in pa. During the summer 99% are Harley’s and I have yet to see any Indians in person
@@scrumthebum2451 Man I wish that was the case here in Eastern North Carolina, I'm even seeing patched riders on Indian.
Indian is a big name, Harley should of bought that name and tucked it away so it wouldn't come back to compete with them lol.
I see a few here and there in Oklahoma, but no doubt it's usually 10 to 1 ratio of Harleys to Indians.
My next bike will be a goldwing. Been eyeing them for a couple of years now just not ready to drop the coin.
You can pick up a 2018 or 19 for under $20K. And it still won't be broke in!
@@migueljonz3901 even used at this time is more than I care to spend.
No replacement.
Nothing else comes close.
Never get the same feeling.
None of the others look half as good.
Harley Davidson will ALWAYS BE KING of the cruisers. It's just FACT.
Nice ! Harley needs to build an engine modeled after the Sportster S motor only bigger for baggers & they could rule the touring wars ! With 135 HP in the Sportster S how about a1500 for baggers with 180 HP ! They could win no matter what it cost anyway that's my take on it !
I think we'll see that soon. They have to answer for the challenger and offer something with decent power from the showroom.
Indian drew first blood with the Challenger, I think were going to see something like that before too long in the touring line from Harley.
I think it's one of those to each their own likes or choice.No offense to anyone.But for the money,I just stay with my Harleys.Why well honestly there's just to many reasons why to list here.Iv owned several other brands thru the years.But having my 1997 Ultra Classic my 1998 Fat Boy and my 2005 Soft Tail Deuse I find that's there's plenty of aftermarket parts for even the older Harleys verses other brands.For me personally I'drather own my Harleys simply because I know I can get parts for them a lot easier than the other brands out there.But like IV always say to each their own.Ride what makes you happy.After all isn't that what's riding all about.Just riding what you like in the wind and enjoying the freedom that goes with riding on 2 wheels.
I walked into a multi-line dealership in SC and they had a leftover Star Eluder sitting on the floor. The salesman offered it to me for $5K off the list price before I had even opened my mouth. I wasn’t looking for a new bike and besides, the bike is too big to fit in the space where I have to park it. If I was to spring for a new bike it would be a Road King.
GixxerFoo, most of the world outside USA are no longer interested in big cruiser. Cost to much, have no modern day technology, corning abs, 6 axis stability control, adaptive cruise control, hill start assist, reverse gear - bike weighs 400 kg wet. Real hard managing this weight. If available or when available the price is twice that of a car that already has these features and is 1/3 the size and sit only 2. So where's the money going. CEO with there lucrative pay check. Me, I find that Honda NT1100 better value for money. If I want to splurge and get all the tech Ducati Multistrada V4 or KTM super adventurer. Ten grand AUS cheaper and 10 times more fun. More practical every day use, not all rides are Freeway/Highway.
🛑🛑 Resale, Resale……Resale 💴💰!!!!
Indian or Harley are holding their resale values, year by year; however you are going to “take it in the back side” when you go to trade your metric cruiser in on anything.
Both Indian and Harley, are doing a nice job in this sector, and both are “knocking it out of the park”
Me, I prefer a Harley; and even better a CVO Harley Bagger.
CVO bikes hold their value and are “extra special”, when pulling into your local bike night; regardless of year. 💯👍
Great Content…Gix👍😀
Thank you, I appreciate it!
The big cruiser market is dwindling because the people that used to buy these huge, expensive bikes are not buying them. The well-off baby boomers that purchased these bikes in the past are getting too old to ride. Younger riders, by and large, like Japanese sport bikes, ADVs, nakeds, etc. They aren't buying these huge, expensive machines.
All this is reflected in H-Ds stock price. They marketed fully towards their old demographic and didn't invest in marketing towards younger riders. They're trying to play catch-up now with bikes like the Livewire, which also miss the mark - too expensive.
As a younger rider, I can buy a decent SV650 for around $5000 pretty easily. With that, I get a very reliable motorcycle that will last me years that can ride comfortably on both streets and the highway. Why invest in a huge highway machine that costs as much as my car? If I want a cruiser, Honda now makes the Rebel 1100. Honda reliability at only $10,000.
Sadly, neither Harley or Indian make a v twin engine with that feel or sound anymore, so unless it's for the look, I would go with something cheaper. I like the Yamaha engine, but the bike just looks weird. like too modernish. The Road Star engine has proven itself reliable. I don't know if it still sounds of feels like it used to. I would go for the Kawasaki new, though I won't be buying any new bikes that expensive anymore. One HUGE issue I have with all of them is the belt drive. Now Harley has had belt drive for a really long time, but that doesn't mean I like it. When I bought my very first Harley, a used Sportster 1200, I set about adjusting the belt. I got the Harley tension gauge and the Motion Pro wheel alignment tool. Then spent almost 3 days getting it right. What a nightmare. Then I bought a 1989 Harley FXRS Low Rider, and decided to replace the belt on that. I took it to a local independent Harley shop to get it done. I asked them how to adjust the belt tension and keep the wheel aligned at the same time. They told me they use TWO people for the procedure, and that it is almost impossible for one person to do by themselves. I wish the Japanese bikes hadn't abandoned the shaft drive. I used to have a Vulcan 1600 Classic with shaft drive. It was wonderful. Never any adjustment or maintenance, and it was completely sealed. Besides the Sportster for local riding, I also have a Kawasaki Vulcan 750. Both shaft drive and hydraulic valves. I put 119K miles on it so far. Much smaller engine, but it holds its own with the Sportster 1200.
My first "cruiser" was a new 1980 Suzuki GS450L. My next cruiser was a used Yamaha XS1100 Special. Neither were touring cruisers, but the four cylinder Yamaha certainly had the power for it. You COULD put a Windjammer fairing, hard bags and a trunk on it if you wanted to. But back in 1980 Honda came up with the Goldwing Interstate, and pretty much took over the market.
I would never be concerned about more power on a big touring bike. After all, you are just going to be cruising down the highway at a steady speed. You are not going to be racing it. Sadly, most manufacturers have decided that 10 years is the average lifespan of their bikes, and no longer support them beyond that. While Japanese bikes tend to be somewhat boring (but then so do Harleys and Indians these days) they don't really need to be modified, and can last a very long time before parts start wearing out. And yes, I actually am supporting the Japanese bikes over the new Harleys here. I love older Harleys, and always will. But the new ones don't have the sound and feel of the old ones, so why pay the big money for them? If the Kawasaki had shaft drive, I'd clean out my savings account and buy one. I might even buy a Goldwing if they made a base model with the fairing, bags and trunk, but without all the electronic garbage, including a stereo. But really, ALL motorcycles have become WAY too complicated too actually be reliable anymore. All those electronics are going to fail on a regular basis. And they do nothing to help the bike carry you down the road.
I have a 2021 BMW S1000XR. So I'm not in the market for a big huge cruiser. But, if I was I would look at the BMW R18 Bagger. Even though it is not a V twin it has the boxer engine in it. I believe it fits into this class of motorcycles. It has big torque for highway droning and BMW would love to relieve you of 30k I can clearly assure you lol 😆. Good video.... 👍👍
The Japanese make reliable motorcycles Harley doesn't. Harley used to make a very good reliable big twin and then they discontinue the Evolution motor. Harley hatch super reliable motorcycles in your Sportster line of motorcycles but they discontinued the Sportster as well. Both replaced by engines that were not as developed and were prone to all sorts of mechanical issues as well as electrical issues. If the value of our dollar had not been reduced to virtually nothing Japanese motorcycles would be an even better bargain like they were back in the 1960s. Di-yin with 400 to the dollar back then. Now it is 80 Yen to the dollar which is why the Japanese do not make a new fracture any motorcycles or cars in Japan because the Japanese cost too much to put to work
been on big kawaies since the 80's
not just lower cost of bike but much more dendable and cheaper to maintain.. rode harleys on 70's and loved them,BUT back then they. were pretty much only big bikes out there.. no goldwings, cavalcades, voyagers, only harley new and iindians for old bikes but parts hard to come by. Harley is a fine machine but I am spoiled to my shaft drive, water cooled dependable kawaie.
You forgot to mention that the "Metric" bike are at least 2 times more reliable than Harley which are almost guaranteed to have various issues sometimes before 10000 miles. Now all the HD lovers are going to respond with vicious attacks on my character but the facts remain - HD has a 26% failure rate after 4 years vs Yamaha/ Suzuki/Honda 11 - 12% failure rate Consumer Reports.
Harley all the way for me. I appreciate competition and the tech developments, but trad Harleys are unique in their character as well as old world basics. I utterly live the rumbble and the shakey rock & roll vibes of the engine. Hearing and feeling the Revs are good markers for knowing how the engine is running, sense of red line and even when to change gears up, let alone the raw sound so other road users know you are around.
Not putting other makes down, they are what they are, but would have been nice to also include the Moto Guzzi California.
Too bad. The metric cruisers were better bikes..more powerful and much more reliable than Harley..and less expensive. Anyway, big cruisers in generally will go away as the people who buy them..mainly older folk, go away like the dinosaur.
Dude I have been watching your video’s for over a year, you should be a spokesperson for HD, you are bright know you shit about Harley Davidson motorcycle cycles . I own a GSXR 750 and have my eye on a new sportster.
I used to ride a GSX-1000, 2003 model. I miss that bike, I wish I had never sold it and still had it today with my Harley's.
Kawasaki yamaha need to get away from the v twin they would sell more touring modela if they just would do the thing they do best put a high reving high HP inline and still have low and midrange torque. something like they put in the sportstouring models did you mention the Goldwing something like that who gives a shit what they cost if you cant afford a 30000 bike you cant afford a 15000 bike used HD are everywhere and 99.9$ of them are better then the day they left the dealership with usually at least a stage 1 save your money and get one of them before HD acquires all of them back they dont want them floating around they want the mark up on them
im a harley dude but every metric bike is better on paper then any harley any day, more power, more torque, less to no shaking, incredible smooth power delivery and dont get me started on reliability.
if you want the best for long travel just get a goldwing. it always was like that since the goldwing existed. but it's just not a harley.. they are shitty, the company is shitty too but the look of the bikes, aftermarket, community and how easy they are to work with is what makes harleys awesome. i have no idea why ppl try to talk around that fact also you just ignored the BMW R18 or ducati diavel and many big cruiser alternatives to harley.
I live in the Daytona Beach area, and I am quite familiar with the big cruisers. Many years ago, they were ridden by the young and restless, but now, they are just a bunch of geezers. Bikers who want reliability, safety and a bike that will actually go somewhere, instead of being seen somewhere, look the other way when a Harley approaches.
Enjoyed that brother I truly believe if I couldn't get the Harley I probably go with the Yamaha I just like him be Yamaha the raider the whole Star line got a couple friends of the Yamaha the good bikes but got to say I can't ride a Harley I don't know be hard to buy Yamaha
2003 vulcan 1600 classic 42 k miles, good shape I paid very little. Only way for me to ride. The HD Ultra in red if I ever get rich.
Indian definitely copied the street glide and road glide but Indians fixed fairing bike fairing looks better. As fir the rest its just cheap looking. You can definitely tell they make snow mobiles cause they look like a snowmobile behind the engine. As for the engine its not aestetically pleasing they ruined the looks of the engine with that ugly rocker cover. The victory engine they used in the Indians originally looked better for sure. It just looks like they ran out of money to clean up the casting.
the problem with harley and indians is the quality in general and the liquing and the vibrations etc etc... is like they run out of time and now only the people who has more than 50 buy them ...so the harley market is pretty much gone and on top of that the japanesse contender were tring to steal that small market but even yamaha and kawa try to not put their tech in those bikes the difference in quality and reliability its too big....remember yamaha build some of the best engines in the world they design engines for toyota volvo etc etc....on top of that yamaha unbelievably can sales the bikes for a cheaper price than harley ....i think now the japaneses are not interested anymore in that small market....i think harley is better doing marketing products and it was how they survived from 80 s to 2000 without not to many bikes sales ....in the end people buy harleys for what they represent on a life style , it seems cool and freedom , but the quality and realibility for normal people is the most important thing so is going to be harder and harder to sale harleys or indians
If Yamaha would release the Venture with a Vmax motor Id would leave Triumph Rocket behind but if I would by Vtwin I would buy HD cause I would have at least the name
They are all beautiful bikes, but! The Harley tattoo on my right butt cheek would explode if I sat on anything other than Harley Davidson.
Yeah you don't want that bursting into flames or anything lol.
I have seen the Yamaha tourer discounted at dealers in Southern CA to $22K. I don't think I have seen one on the street. Next competition for HD and Indian is the new line of BMW cruisers and tourer using the boxer engine. Thanks for posting.
Come to think of it, I haven't seen the Yamaha in the wild either.
That new BMW is a good looking bike, that engine is quite interesting though. Haven't rode one with one of those motors before.
The BMW's are nice, but holy hell are they expensive to fix when things (inevitably) go bad. I'm a motor, and my stator went out on my R1200RTP. Took it to our dealer (all work has to be done at the dealer), and it was $4,100 to get the stator replaced. It's also very often that our windshield motors break. Granted I'm hard on my work bike, mostly because when I'm working speed I go from the bike being off to revving the hell out of it to catch up to someone speeding going 75mph lol.
A Moonshine HD upgraded Electra glide..😍 If I had the money..🙄
The build them solid and right, they put out some damn good power too!
@@GixxerFoo I just learned the other day up to 170bhp
We get the occasional wannabe Thor on a Hardley chugging through my Spanish pueblo.
The children laugh and point.
So do the bikers.
Thanks for posting to each his own personally pretty much of a long distance Rider dealer network is very important and Harley-Davidson has the best
Years ago , a friend who was a service manager and excellent mechanic had a Yamaha Venture Royal. He took the V-Boost system of a wrecked V-Max and recalibrated the carbs and V-Boost butterflies to come on lower in the RPM range. Ended up with a Venture Royal that pulled power wheelies in 3rd gear!
Damn that's awesome! Very impressive I might add too!
Sounds rather dubious that a carb swap and a butterflyvalve will do that but ok lol
I'm a Honda guy. Currently I ride a Valkyrie Interstate.
Out of the bikes mentioned. I would still go with a new Goldwing
You should mention in an upcoming video the major hit a person takes in depreciation over just a three year period when purchasing non-harley motorcycles.
They trade low and sell high at those dealers.
Depreciation is terrible on metric bikes, you pay 18K new and sell it in three years the book puts you around 10 to 12K.
@@GixxerFoo that's why you don't buy a new metric bike, you buy one that's 3 to 5 years old with low miles, they are all over marketplace and craigslist for cheap. Also truer words were never spoken when it comes to purchasing a new Harley and then a few years later trying to trade it back in. They all depreciate quite a bit after three years, and forget it after five years. If you feel you need to buy a new Harley or a metric bike, and have a bike to trade in, usually you are much better off selling your old bike yourself. I bought my last new bike in 2017 and will never buy another new one. I will let someone else take the financial hit on the depreciation.
@@GixxerFoo I know my 2015 CVO Rushmore is still selling for 24-28k depending. The only people that trade in their Harley at the dealership are rich, lazy, or rich lazy people.
@William Calhoun That's on the dealer, not the manufacturer
i dont see how harley can sell many new bikes.the used market is saturated with them, all years, conditions,miles & mods.a buyers feast, so to speak.
Been riding for 47 years. Where the metric bikes messed up if when they started trying to sell bikes that were way more expensive than they needed to be or should be. They thought the same people who wanted to drop 35k on a Harley or Indian wanted to give 30k for a metric. NOPE. When they had bikes under 15k they were flying out the door. They did not get taken over by Harley. They just priced themselves out of the market due to corporate greed. Best thing that happened to Harley and Indian. If theyd stayed on track Harley and Indian would be bunking with Victory
You know it's something you don't hear very often just letting the motorcycle go to the scrap yard. I have have friends that are much older than me that remember most of them now are gone but when behind the Harley dealer or even the Indian dealer they had little scrap yards of motorcycles and you could go pick parts just like automobile.
I remember 20 years ago even I needed one adjustable push rod and I went to the local Harley dealer and ask them and it was like I was trying to rob the store used part LOL
Stick with a used victory for me, I like them better than any of the new options currently available
I agree
Victory is a good bike, they never should have dumped them for the Indian line, they should have kept both, but if you look at the Indians they sure resemble the Victory, at least to me they do
@@dougturngren5027 well considering it's the same company, and the big thing was it was easier to sell a bike with an Indian emblem then a victory emblem yeah they are pretty similar in a lot of ways, I just don't like them as much, particularly the thunderstroke engine architecture versus the freedom engine architecture, but I also like this style/looks of the victories better
Big cruisers are just not relevant anymore. These big overpriced overweight dinosaurs are gonna be gone with the baby boomers.
HD all the way, Bro! The other's are just wanna be HD's... :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I had the most beautiful Dyna Wide Glide in the county where I live maybe even in the state of North Dakota and I got rid of it for a jap bike and I'm not missing it. Had a guy say I cant say jap! Them I informed him I'm 1/16 jap I'll say it if I want to.
Wow a Yamaha 113” only has 70hp ? 🤣 where are all those metric riders who claim Harley’s are slow 😉
I know, right? The Kawasaki's 103 puts out even less power than the 103HO.
That was from a time when metric manufacturers were still prioritizing performance over astheticly copying Harley. If they had a comparably sized inline 4 in their cruiser it would have way more hp than the Harleys. I'm not a Harley hater, just pointing out facts.
Triumph Rocket 3 with its 2500cc needs a fixed fairing bagger! 🇦🇺
Had an 05 Roadstar 1700 for 13 years. Unmatched reliability and fun. I’ve owned tons of HD and they just cost too much to own.
It will be interesting to see how Indian fairs over the next few years. The big advantage Harley has is the amount of dealers.The closets Indian dealer to me that does not suck is 1 hour a half away. My other big issue I have with Indian is OEM accessories. Indians Sissy bar for the Touring bikes is 450 where as hits 200 for a harley. People always bitch how expensive Harley stuff is, apparently have know idea how much more Indian Chargers for there own accessories
I’d buy ANYTHING other than a Harley. My ugly Suzuki m95 ( meanstreak ) shits on Harley’s when at the light
THE YAMAHA actually had over 125 ft lbs of tongue.and the Yamaha will out last any Harley and do it reliably...Harley is still older technology and the cost of Harleys has gone through the roof...when you have to spend thousands more to make a Harley run the way it should on top of paying 30 to almost 50 grand it's no wonder Harley looses money year after year and is only now changing things up
Copying another brands style is flattery at its finest ! But it can never be the premier brand they are copying !
Big cruisers put emphasis on torque for the same reason that Kenworths do, for hauling fat asses.
I had the Yamaha Roadstar 1600 when they first came out. It was a great bike a the time. Great performace and handled better than the equivalent HD softail. I now have a HD Heritage 114 and I went this way partly for the resale. The roadstar depreciated a lot when I sold it where the HDs are retaining their value. I 've owned it for 2 years now and 2nd hand prices here in Australia are still near what I paid for it.
First! I would pop for the extra $ for the Harley. The customization is key. I would buy a used Harley before buying a metric bike because I just view metrics as disposable because of the reasons you mentioned.
Totally agree! I couldn't spend 27K on that Yamaha and then be left high and dry on parts and support when they discontinue the bike.
I would, I would…
DO YOU have a Harley ? DID YOU spend the extra $ ?
@@mattseaman5397 I've ridden all my life. When I was younger, I've owned metric dirt bikes and cruisers into my late 20's. I bought my first new Harley in 2002 and haven't looked back at the metrics. I've owned 5 Harleys since. Metrics had their place when I couldn't afford a Harley. In my estimation a metric sold for maybe 55-60% of what a Harley cost at the time. If they were closer in price like they are now, I would have sprung for the Harley. To answer your question. Yes I have.
@@mattseaman5397 i did
They are probably all better made than a Harley. Even better value to anyone other than the first owner. Wouldn't swap any of them for my 25 year old FXDL but it's great people have choices. I had a Yamaha exhaust rot out from the inside after 3 years, OEM part was still available but way spendy.
My honest opinion is that they are, if they had market support like Harley does in the aftermarket I don't think Harley would exist. But at the same time metric manufacturers couldn't stay in business.
I own 2 Harleys. Love them. Also was a pro HD MC test rider, 2 years. I also own an 06, 1854cc Yamaha Stratoliner and love it every bit as much as my HD's. It's bigger, smoother and nicer. But only a 5spd. I'm really sad to see the metrics leave the field. But it's the swagger of owning a Harley that is the biggest thing the metrics can't compete with. The BIG problem with owning a Harley is, today, Harleys are as common as a cup of coffee in a Cafe. In the 50's and 60's from whence I came, they were rare. Today?? Everyone gathers around and shows each other their Batwing. ...yawn.
I do agree with you I like a bike that I can get parts 20 years down the road than a bike I have to throw away after 10 years
A new motorcycle is a big investment, I like the security of knowing I've got some aftermarket support other than the OEM.
@@GixxerFoo that's true to I had both Harley and a Kawasaki both are great but a Harley just has parts years after the bikes are out of the dealership
They were done in 1970's when Honda came out with the CB 750
At some point my StreetGlide may become too heavy for me to handle. It's great for medium to long, day rides, and overnight touring. But, I'm sure eventually my riding will be limited to shorter distances. I'm thinking I'll downsize to a V-Rod or Breakout.
I recently found out about the Yamaha Warrior, and Raider models. They were ahead of the game at that point but, were discontinued by Yamaha in 2008.
Yamaha gave up on the Raider and Warrior too soon, they were really way ahead of their time.
I ended up a goldwing as it has forward and reverse to help with moving the bike.
Im i also have my m109r and vtx1800 i love.
65 here....still on my '08 street glide.....being too heavy to handle hasn't even entered my mind at this point....don't think i could ride another bike without missin my harley
The new softails are a fair bit lighter than the touring chassis. The heritage is the best handling of all the current softail models in my opinion. The other one I considered is the sport glide. It has some good touring features and also has quick detach bags for the stripped down look.
@@GixxerFoo I agree, especially the Raider, that was a nice running, sounding, handling this.
You can get any after market part for a Harley, try that for any other Cruiser.
1st thing is try putting a set of fishtail exhaust on a metric bike, ridiculous. I almost bought a low mile vulcan but in the end I chose a used king and had room in the budget to upgrade. Yes I've said im going to install a new cam.
Harley has a lot of name recognition. Indian is kind of new and they are made by the same company that owned Victory.
Hate to tell you, but Honda dropped the Shadow line in '18. Damn shame, too, because the Shadow was THE go-to metric cruiser. The new Rebel doesn't even come close... it's a cruiser-shaped naked bike with no actual cruiser soul. Mind you, neither ever really WERE in the "heavy" cruiser market, with the Shadow and Rebel model options topping out at 1200 cc and 1100 cc respectively.
They are still the Shadow 750's, they have the Phantom and the Aero but they did stop making the larger CC models.
Love the way you put a shovel up for sound lol. And the badge on Indian with 1901. That’s a laugh. At least Harley had some ownership during the AMF years not disappeared from about 1965 with two strokes and drop victory to become Indian. But. What’s counting. Yeh triumph from 1902. lol
That's the part about Indian that really bothers me, Polaris talks as though Indian never disappeared altogether. Polaris did an excellent revival of the brand and they everything to be proud of which they should own that they revived the brand.
I would get the Kawasaki, or the Yamaha if it wasn't for the fixed fairing. Fixed fairings really suck in my opinion. The Vaquero is NOT a Street Glide clone. It is a Road Glide Special Clone. The Voyager is NOT an Ultra Limited clone. It is a Roadglide limited Clone.
I'd have to say Kawasaki is the best deal going out there right now, those bikes are stupid reliable. Dad ran a Kawi dealer for years and we used to big bore and hot rod Vulcan 1500 and 1600's.
You get what you pay for...period
Yeah you pay less you get less...you get less features or less quality..yes Japanese bikes are good...I have a Honda VTX myself...but it is not a Harley or an Indian..and although it was ment to compete (somewhat ) with the americsn bikes they really dont. I bought the Honda because it was what I could afford and its been a phenomenal bike but I never pretended it was a Harley or Indian
It serves the purpose that I wanted short trips and mostly weekend riding. If I could afford a Indian Cheif or a Harley Low Rider S I'd snap em up in a minute. But until then the VTX is just fine.
Honda builds a damn good bike, I wish Harley was built to the same quality standards.
GF you forgot Moto Guzzi the real v twin
That's coming soon, not a lot of people know about the Guzzi!
Just get a Goldwing!
Problem solved
I have a 12 Goldwing 1800. It's got decent power but it doesn't like to rev. I compare it to the V8 in my truck. It's got lots of torque but it doesn't feel like a motorcycle engine.
I would take the Gold Wing. I've been riding them for over 30 years. Oh, and I like my Fury too.
Good morning. I had a Kawisaki Voyager. The power kept cutting out during turns and it almost caused an accident. I traded it in for my current Harley.
Was that an older Voyager the 1200, 1300 or the newer Vtwin 1700?
Indian from 1901 is like saying trust me I’m from the government and I’m here to help you. Today’s “Indian” motorcycles are Polaris - own it!
It really bothers me how Polaris talks about the brand like it never went aways.
I wouldn't own a HD if it was free. I tour a lot with guys on HD's and they have the only bikes that continually break down. Not reliable at all. But like Jeeps, have a large following.
They can be troublesome for sure, you hit it with the following like Jeeps!
Interesting vid. Ride safe, god bless u.
You too, thank you!
Well buddy doing some research: best rod to stroke ratio is 1.80 . 96” is 1.75. 88” is 1.90 . Guess that’s why hd stuck with 4.3/8 stroke and went bigger bores . 🤔 the softail slim is gone for 22’ . Thanks for the new lineup say. ✊🏻👍👌
The goldwing and intruder are leaps and bounds above a Harley in my eyes.
It's like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a P-40 Warhawk.
@@migueljonz3901 Holy shit that is extremely accurate lol
Yeah those are pretty far apart for a comparison there.
It's really funny reading this forum because you go to others they are running Harleys and Indians in the ground. Here so many say their preference would be harley or Indian over metric. I've rode a lot of different brands through the years and preferred Harley and Indian over others. My preference , but then I didn't beat my bikes so I've seen their true colors and the better side of the dealerships.
I worked for a dealer that sold metrics and they too will fail, lol I've seen some ragged out bikes that were beat to crap. Not all dealers are bad but it just takes one bad experience at a dealer and someone will hate a brand forever.
have a 05 ultra classic, wife and took 2wk road trips every year. must say it was nice having a harley dealer close by at every and any direction we rode. people were always nice, and we enjoyed purchasing a t-shirt on our travels as memory of our rides. Harley big cruisers rule.
That's the one main advantage of owning a Harley and taking road trips, you are never very far from a Harley Dealer
Why would you buy anything new?unless of course you enjoy throwing your hard earned money away.oh I forgot,you buy new for other people to see you on a new bike!
Buying new is a personal thing in my opinion. It's being the first name on the title and ass in the seat. It's a clean slate with no history. It's a huge hit on the pocket book, it's not about that.