Order a Buffer Interface (compatible with ANY Pedalboard surface) bit.ly/3DVdyWx Order a Buffer Module (ONLY compatible with Vertex Pedalboards) bit.ly/3NUcSp9 Buffer Wiring Guides: vertexeffects.com/vertex-interface-guide
YOU INCLUDED THE TUNER IN YOUR SIGNAL CHAIN DIAGRAM! No one does this and it has kinda frosted me for a while and kept me from trying to run my buffers. I never said I was smart. Thank you!!!!! I should toss my buffers I've been wanting to run and just buy this one out of principle. VRTX is a phenomenal company and this channel is truly a God send that has helped answer so many questions I have had. VRTX is the real MVP ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@surfthejapstrat7010 my understanding is that it's similar to the buffer in a Klon. That's a great overdrive, but not so good of a buffer if you're comparing it to the criteria you want for a quality buffer (tone-wise). I'm sure it's well built, as all JHS stuff is - but it will have a particular sound that's different than the guitar and amp alone with a 10ft. cable as as baseline (and you might want that). It's not really a comparable product. You'd have to get four of them plus an isolation box of some kind to get the same performance as our interface or module buffers do.
You guys just solved my issue about what damn 2 in and out buffers I am trying to purchase! I’m going to order one! Thanks for making such pedal that a lot of us out there are looking for! I watch all you vids
Seriously! My conundrum as well. If you're running four-cable method and plan on having a buffer everywhere (not on the FX Loop out if you have a good FX Loop, right?), then you need three. This saves space and cable.
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
Did anyone else think the buffer + 100ft sounded better than straight in? You know you've done a great job when the basic tone doesn't necessarily "change", but the painful shrill bite goes away in a pleasing way, not in a detrimental way like some other brands. Nice work Mason.
Wonder if you're just hearing the dynamics in my picking. We spent a lot of time to ensure that we could get 1:1 with 100ft of even bad high capacitance cable.
@@VertexEffectsInc A large company released their standalone buffer some years back and even in the you tube vids, the tone changed in a way that made it sound more solid state with noticeable top end gone, as if it was chopped off at a certain frequency. The reviewers were making excuses for it and trying to say thats as good as it gets. Another brand I tried added treble and it sounded brittle. Yet another brand made the tone lose attack and things darkened. Yours sounds completely natural and musical. 100ft has to have some affect on highs, yet yours doesn't lose any "tone", it comes out sounding better.
Mason, First you are one of the worlds best manufacturers' and innovators. Your videos are understandable simple yet detail very clearly. That being said. your buffer sets the standard for junction boxes. I specifically wanted an ISO when i decided to go stereo. interestingly most do not take the isolation into account which you do. Keep up the great work.
There was a difference. Buffered signal sounded smoother...like compression was added. Now, many are saying it sounded "better." Well, ok...but, it is still different than the un-buffered signal. For better or worse.
Great all in one "buffer box" with a lot of routing possibilities, which I often had to do with separate buffers - love it. 👍 Should be available at Thomann. 😉
I just got the message today that the buffer mod is being shipped today by Sweetwater, i have the vertex elite pedal board. got the power module, just got the Denelectro roebuck, odr, the xtc modded boss e7, the vertex boost, mxr compressor, a delay unit, 2 more buffers , a wah now i am in business
I’m sold. Been looking to buffer my rig for years. I run a hybrid rig with Synergy preamps and Torpedo CAB M+. It ends up being a four cable method, and this looks perfect!
Not only do I now want a buffer, but you have also forced me to save up for a Wet/Dry/Wet setup now that I know what that is... thanks for making me poor. Also, good job explaining things.
Love this Mason, I have been using the Mesa High-Wire Dual Buffer on all my boards. I have been waiting for your buffer, I am going to get one from Sweetwater. I am also planning on having a Tone Consulting session with you.
I might have to pick one of these up. The only thing I wish that it had was a second FX Loop so I can run a fuzz pedal like your diagram, but also utilize a 4 Cable Method or an audition loop. Not a biggie though as I can just plug strait into my fuzz and then into the guitar in, but it won't look as clean as all the cables going strait in and out of the interface. Maybe a future version will have the option or like a little add on box with the extra loop. Anyway, it seems like a great product!
They qr code is a great idea! The number of times I'm trying to do something simple that I just haven't in a while, so I sit there staring at my phone trying to find a diagram lol
Ordered this few weeks ago at SweetWater. Can’t wait to get it. I ordered another company’s stereo buffer a few months ago and it killed my sound. I am sure Vertex will make a great buffer that will solve a lot of problems.
I love it, but I have gotten so used to the Mesa High Wire having a built in clean boost, I’m not sure I want to go back to needing two separate pedals for buffer and boost again. Hmmm… 🤔
Amazing all-in-one buffer system. Great work on getting all the needs into one compact unit. Two questions: On the 4-cable set-up, why not have the FX-loop go through AMP R out? On the W/D/W set-up, why not have dry go through the FX send and the two wets through AMP R and L?
Fantastic buffer with a lot of routing options! It would be interesting to listen the 100ft cable without buffer to listen the degradation of the signal
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
I would have thought the reason you would need a buffer on the board is because of a long cable run, and/or load of pedals? To bring back the signal lost through the impedance of said cable/pedals. Hence why people would say 'it made me sound brighter or brittle. Well it would if it brought back the high frequencies lost through long cables. I think there's more misunderstanding what buffers are and what they do, rather than them all just been 'bad' buffers. Though, obviously, some may be worse than others, but not because of that reason.
@@jayjayripoff exactly, usually when you don't have a buffer you tend to crank the treble on the amp or the pedals ti compensate the frequency Lost, when you put the buffer and you brought back the treble Lost It result to much , and people think buffers are brittle and harsh
@@lorenzocomelli2898 so we'd kinda need to hear the difference between: - no buffer, 10ft cable vs 100ft cable. - no buffer, with pedalboard, 10ft cable vs 100ft cable before board (after would be irrelevant). - both scenarios with buffer vs competition buffer. Right?
You're hearing the pick attack, not the buffer. It's not a direct A/B like turning a pedal on/off. You have to plug in cables add power, etc. It's sorta impossible to get it in real time without a loop of 100ft. of cable sitting around in a true bypass looper with the input buffer connected.
For the 4-cable wiring method, does the interface have auto rerouting for when I want to run all pedals in front of the amp (for example, when the amp doesn't have an effects loop). Thanks!
100 ft. isn't a the baseline. It's more of a "beyond worst case scenario". 10ft. with no pedals is the closest baseline to what a guitar should sound like ideally, then the 100ft. cable is showing that the buffer can drive it with little to no impact to the baseline (10ft. cable into amp) tone. It's almost impossible to demonstrate something that should have no sound as a "tone" pedal - much of our videos leading up to this support what was being said in this video and demonstrated.
I’ve been wanting something like this for so long. Can’t believe you guys are selling this to the masses at such an awesome price point. Ordering mine ASAP!
Hi, I'd like to make sure I understand properly. I'll be using this on my ampless rig with stereo effects. Would this method work? Guitar in > dry effects > preamp pedal > return on the buffer > send on the buffer > wet effects > stereo on buffer
Hi Mason. Very clever work. Well done. How does this compare to an Empress Effects buffer plus? One of the features of the Empress that I really like is the tuner out which can mute the signal for quick silent tuning on stage. With your buffer not having this mute capability which mute pedal can you recommend? And would you patch it at the amp out or after the guitar input using one end of y-cable to feed the tuner and the other end going to a mute switch followed by the rest of the pedalboard? Thanks and keep up your valuable and informative work.
I just bought this buffer from Sweetwater. I own the ES-5 and the 8. Would you recommend that I disable the buffers from the es 5 and 8 while using the Vertex buffer? Also I was Having a hard time with ES 5 trying to route it with your diagrams which are great ! But this Es 5 is throwing me for a loop😂
Hey Mason! One question: is there a possibility to acquire it in Europe (apart from buying it internationally from Sweetwater)? I am building a decent studio pedalboard and I've been thinking about an item like yours to incorporate to my new build (and haven't found any but yours). Thanks in advance!
This is a great pedal Mason. How does it compare to the Lehle Sunday Driver SW aside from the multiple I/O? One thing I wish you could've done for the video was to plug your guitar into a passive volume pedal, from the volume pedal into a pedalboard and then out of the pedalboard with a 100ft cable to the amp with no separate buffer anywhere in the chain.
Sunday Drive is good, it unloads the guitar however with too high an input impedance relative to a normal amp as I recall. Secondly, they don't build rigs so I always feel that many brands are at a disadvantage as they don't really see a lot of pedals from hundreds of different makers to figure out what works as a part of the whole. That's one big advantage we have separately from anything to do with electronics. The VP situation won't change, 100 ohm output Z with the quality of this buffer could drive more than 100ft. even with VP and no loss.
Hey guys, thanks for all the infos, love the channel!!! Let me ask one thing: is there, somehow, any wiring method to use the 4 cable, BUT with some insert point on it??? Would be lovely, and exactly what I need. Thanks
Well, I tell ya, my Vertex Boost is seriously the most transparent boost I've ever heard, so I take it at your word that these are transparent as well! I've never liked any buffers in the past, always this annoying high end "sheen" I call it. I suppose on stage you'd never notice but I don't like it. My question is Mason, I know you don't like the buffers on the G2, so would your module be helpful on a board with that or is there no way around their choice of in/out buffers?
Excellent job with this new buffer Mason and Vertex Effects! You guys have thought of everything with this useful and versatile pedal! Quick question, would a buffer pedal be of any use to help with a digital based modeler pedals like a Helix, Atomic Amplifire, or Kemper Profiler?
Peter, thank you! If you're using a digital modeler you're kinda already in the that world and a lot of this stuff, nuance-wise, might not be so critical since it's all digital. You will have cable capacitance, of course, but if you're already in the digital world you're kinda already saying "F it" to tone in some ways.
@@VertexEffectsInc kind of figured that. May be on the way back to an analog world soon, as I'm getting tired of all the frustrations that tend to come with digital regarding tone. Good to know there's an awesome and flexible buffer out on the market to get when I do!
I hear the highs and high mids slighly compromised... probably nothing an amp tweek can't correct. I remember seeing Albert Collins wander around the audience on a 100 ft cable. His sound would take your head off, Tele bridge pup into a Fender Quad Reverb.... i firmly believe my tinitus is partially due to standing 10 feet from the front of his amp. I'm still wondering if this is buffer necesary for small time bar gigs. Won't your Boost pedal do the same? I play mostly Tele. All that 2 amp, stereo, line out stuff is rocket science to me. You are a rocket scientist..... as well as the rig doctor.... For decades, I refused to use pedals, always a straight-in player. It all started when I didn't like my amp's reverb, and bought a Boss '73 Fender reverb pedal, which blew me away. Then a friend let me try his Timmy... then it was off to the races buying and using too many pedals. I'm now downsized, and am fond of "always-on." The only pedal I use during a gig is a volume pedal... but once again, I love your products, and your videos. Keep up the great work.... I enjoy your playing too... good stuff. How about doing a music video with a band? So many players demo a product solo, sounds disjointed.... hell.... even a backing track would be a huge improvement. Why is that? JHS uses bass & drums in their demos. It adds so much to the demo...
How do you know it's just not the difference in playing? I can tell you that there's almost zero detectable loss even with 200 ft. of a decent cable. Many of our videos use tracks, look at any of the last 3-5 videos.
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
@@VertexEffectsInc I did. They were checking into it, they didn’t know if they were included or not. I went and found my own. Nothing better than paying for something and then having to pay more to use it.
You are a genius brother; can you help this old rocker, turned retired firefighter, but still playing in my bedroom. I have 5 Gain, overdrive drive etc. pedals and 8 stereo effects pedals. Going into two amps. I want to keep it simple. I have the Boss ES-8, I cant deal with that. So I am scrapping it. It looks like this would be perfect for me. Can you confirm
Great video man I'm definitely gonna buy one of these I've been deciding what buffer I'm gonna buy and this is definitely it! I did have a question though. I'm currently using a Boss IR-200 in stereo instead of traditional amp but I've been thinking about trying out a wet/dry/wet setup. would I be able to do this with another amp/cab sim in addition to the IR-200 or would I need a traditional amp? Thanks!
My main board runs straight into my DAW for recording..many of the (19) pedals have high quality buffers..some can be switched to true bypass..question: can you have too many buffers? If using your unit should I turn off the others? Love your vids!
Most of your pedals don’t have high quality buffers - less than 1% of pedals do. Most people don’t know what qualifies a good buffer. Most aren’t 1M input impedance and 100 ohm output impedance - most are 10x worse on the output impedance.
@@VertexEffectsInc So for pedals which allow you to switch between true bypass and not (or buffered bypass?), do you suggest turning off the true bypass option?
Hosa sells them or we sell them on our site www.therigdr.com: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/YPP111--hosa-ypp-111-y-cable-1-4-inch-ts-to-dual-1-4-inch-tsf-6-inch
Inline Isolation Transformer When using with a Wet|Dry|Wet configuration, should I add one of my isolation transformers inline to the second wet amp? ...or is isolating only one of the three amps the 'best practice'?
Generally I recommend that folks use an isolated line out box, like the Suhr, so you can get additional isolation of the wet side if needed and you can use the ISO transformer on the interface to take care of the other wet amp. Ideally you need two of the three isolated in the worst case scenario.
@@VertexEffectsInc Sadly, I don't use a line-out from my dry amp to feed the wet channels. I generally split the dry signal on the pedalboard with a lehle p-split. I run the iso line to the dry amp, and the direct line out to the wet effects chain on the board. The stereo signal leaves the effects chain out to the wet amps through a second p-split, with the right channel isolated. Does this meet the criteria you have outlined above, or am I woefully off-base with this implementation? ...and can implement something similar using your new Buffer Interface? Im hoping this clarification will also help others that use this slight variation on the WDW configuration outlined in your drawings. By the way, thanks for always being so attentive to your users questions, particularly here on TH-cam! 🤘
Good day, I love all your videos and I have learned so much, Thank you.I have a question regarding this buffer interface, I have a EVH 5150 III and I want to know how to wire your buffer using 4CM and also having a pass through for the EVH amp channel switcher, is this possible with this unit? Thanks again and be safe.
How about!! When you’re using a 7 cable method? Using a multi effects unit along with the gains of 2 amplifiers ?(obviously using the fx loop for external modulation pedals)
I’ve been watching several of your videos and am wondering if I need a buffer on my board. I’m running a Shure wireless, then 11 pedals, then a MXR Boost/Line Driver at the end. All patch cables are Mogami. Using a 25ft Mogami cable to the amp.
Mason, a very critical question. I'm planning to purchase the Chase Bliss Preamp MK2 soon and noticed in addtion to all the amazing gain tones, it has fuzz capability. Do you have experience with this and would a buffer before the pedal affect that specific circuit? I mean, I guess I'm just gonna have to dive in and try myself once I get it. I'm trying to make that my only drive pedal on the board before the SSS SRV and utilize amp sim after.
@@7Boots right, but the other drive circuits in the pedal aren't impedence sensitive as far as I know. I guess I'll just plug straight into the pedal and then go through buffer input ofr the rest of my board.
@@prstito ideally it's before any buffer so you could use it the passive input (SEND) as shown in our wiring diagrams under "What If I Have A Fuzz": www.vertexeffects.com/vertex-interface-guide#section-fuzz
It would be nice if you could actually demo how it improves the sound caused by impedance problems with some practical example. How it just seems like a box that just does nothing at all.
Plug into your amp, plug into it through the buffer, is there a change? Thats the test it seems nothing passes, I really wish I could use a pedal and think its a tonal improvement to the baseline.
So in a 4cm with a Switcher , in line volume pedal , the Emprerss Buffer and a Sentry noise gate( A lot of maintence pedals here) So Guitar into the Buffer or Noise gate first? Buffer makes sense but you lose the input push right? So then maybe the Noise gate IN first from Guitar, then hit the Buffer then the Switcher to start your front of amp effects. Then the Send out of the Switcher to the Front of your amp, no maintence pedals in this signal. The Send out of your effects loop into the Volume pedal for overall master volume, Then the Noise gate then into the Switcher Volume return. From there the Modulation delay reverb type effects loops are after the volume input loop and then the output of the Switcher to the Buffer and then out to the Return of your amps effects loop . Do I have the right or would you do it differently? I'm using a Boss ES-8 as the switcher and it's awesome.
Adding a Smart Footswitch which would be a REMOTE Smart Footswitch that connects to the Vertex Buffer Interface box which can switch between 4 cable method to Wet/Dry/Wet. What I'm saying is some guitar effects you want the 4 cable method and other guitar effects you want Wet/Dry/Wet, so you need a REMOTE smart footswitch to add to the front of the pedal board so you can switch between the routing rigs in a live gig. The Vertex Buffer Interface box should also have those audio isolation transformers on the guitar input jack, send jack, etc to have switch options to turn on/off the audio isolation transformers to have "passive buffers options". You want "Passive Galvantic isolation" from the guitar output jack to the first guitar pedal input jack or amplifier input jack. Active Buffer pedals don't offer or provide Galvantic isolation at all which most people think a buffer pedal gives isolation from the input jack to the output jack. There should also be a Wah Audition Loop only for wah pedals which will bypass everything on the input and wired directly to the output jack because anything on the output jack of a wah pedal will LOAD or change the wah output impedance which the back and forth RANGE will be less and less more limited so you want the wah output jack to go directly straight to the amplifiers input jack. Wah output impedance is very sensitive so most buffers circuits on the wah output will colour and change the wah output impedance so it won't do the same vocal range.
It would be a ton of relays and would jack the price way up to make it all happen. This would be a 1% use case and we're trying to put all the most common applications in one box. A Buffer only provides impedance isolation, you need a transformer (and there are other methods as well) to isolate hum due to a ground loop in your rig. Transformers are the simplest way in my opinion to do this, however the transformer really matters to mitigate any audio quality issues - most transformers people use for buffer interfaces are input transformers which aren't right for this application, even if they say "Jensen" on them.
@@VertexEffectsInc If you want 3 different routing paths on your pedal board. #1.) non-4 cable method, #2.) the 4 cable method, #3.) Wet/Dry/Wet. If you want to use all 3 routing paths how do you do this using ONE vertex interface box? you would need to use THREE vertex interface boxes and use a digital switcher unit to switch between the 3 vertex interface boxes that would have the non-4 cable method routing, the 4 cable method routing, wet/dry/wet routing. What I'm trying to say is using ONE vertex interface box you're trapped and stuck into only using ONE routing method. What I'm trying to say is how can you use all 3 routing methods? because some guitar pedals sound better using the 4 cable method and other guitar pedals sound better using the non-4 cable method and then you want your modulation effects using the wet/dry/wet routing method. So there needs to be "break out jack ports" for "different routing methods"
@@VertexEffectsInc If you want to use two different FET amplifier guitar pedals that are mimicing either marshall, orange, dumble, fender tweed, etc the RED SEA pedal has a Blend knob to blend the stereo FET amplifier guitar pedals. Most pedalboards in the next few years will have a lot of these FET amplifiers guitar pedals at the end of their rig. The Vertex Interface box would need an effects loop audition loop port to insert these FET amplifier guitar pedals and RED SEA pedal before the final output jacks on the interface box that has the isolation transformer. I think the RED SEA might have an isolation transformer not sure but it doesn't have polarity phase switches for each stereo output jack port. I would recommend Vertex to make their own RED SEA blend pedal to blend in different FET amplifier guitar pedals which its going to be very common on pedal boards in the next few years that most guitarist won't even bring their guitar amplifiers plus speakers to a gig anymore because it will be all different FET amplifiers pedals with IR speaker simulations pedals on the pedalboards. You can do a WET/DRY/WET rig using 3 different FET amplifier guitar pedals on your pedalboard instead of brining 3 different amplifier heads and 3 different speaker cabs to your gig is a joke and hassle now of days. Vertex needs to make a pedal like the RED SEA that has audio isolation transformers and a BLEND knob. Check it out its going to be on most pedalboards for live gigs.
@@VertexEffectsInc you don't have to use relays you can use very cheap microcontroller chip that has a lot of I/O ports which most have 8 or 16 inputs and outputs. The smart foot switch can be programmed to switch different routing methods. The smart switch can be remote pedal that can be placed anywhere on the pedalboard to switch the different routing methods.
Hi Mason, I hope you are doing great! I have purchased this buffer and am trying to come up with a way to use a fuzz with a programmable switcher and this buffer. Do you know of a way to incorporate this set up while protecting the high impedance needed? I purchased a buzz electronics 10 channel programmable switcher if that matters. Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!
So my set up currently, I’m running through the UA Dream, into my time based effects and then into the walrus canvas di/line isolator box, which then runs into my Apollo interface, or front of house if I’m gigging. Ive really been in the market for a buffer pedal like yours. The good wood audios interfacer, the a3 custom tone solution being two that seem to be of similar makeup. I’m curious whether your pedal can both replace my walrus canvas, and give me an input/output buffer? And if it doesn’t really offer what the canvas does, would you run your buffer before or after the di box? Thanks, Adam
The Canvas is a DI, so no - it won't replace what you have. Honestly I don't think you need it with this set up if you're going balanced out to the board and ampless.
It will work for bass as well, however there is much more variety of input impedance for bass amps so depending on your amp this input impedance on our buffer could be too low based on what you're used to. Some amps for bass are as high as 10M ohms. Where as all guitar amps are pretty much all 1M.
this is really exactly what I have spent years trying to find for a W/D/W setup. I am unfortunately not technical enough to make something like this on my own. That being said... do you have a recommendation on a Line Out box for the W/D/W setup?
@@guitargeek57 Not to rain on the Vertex parade, this is a great product and I own one for a stereo rig. But for Wet/Dry/Wet you might want to check out Goodwood Audio's Wet/Dry/Wet junction box. I am using one for my w/d/w rig and can't recommend it enough.
But... why you didn't demonstrate the tone of 100 ft cable without buffer? That basically almost ruined the point of good demonstration. Maybe without buffer the tone would be as good. You had a chance to prove buffer is needed, but you didn't use the opportunity :)
100ft. cable wouldn't be the baseline, but rather a beyond worse case scenario. The baseline is the 10ft. cable into the amp, that's what you're reasonably trying to reproduce even with 10+ pedals and a dozen cables from guitar to amp.
Looks imteresting, can you provide the specs in number form of the impedance and such compared to a popular onboard in/out buffer like the ES5/8 for example. I also hear a slight tonal difference but ny guess is this is more due to the capacitance of the 10ft cable... perhaps if the base tone used a 2ft cable we wouldnt hear the tonal shift. Great job with these videos btw, no one does it like vertex
This looks amazing, I use the providence STV-1 Tuner that has a Vitalizer buffer and is a router too, but i still notice degradation to my tone from my Friedman amp through my pedalboard because when I plug straight, the amp sounds AMAZING!! Are these available in the U.K.?? And also my suggestion would be that I use 4 cable method with my time based effects in the FX Loop of the amp, however sometimes I don't use them in the FX Loop and want them front of the amp so is there an automatic connection within the interface so that when the loop outs aren't in use it auto routes to the output. Templeboard do this with their 4x MOD Pro Module. Thanks
I have an "eqd swiss things" and an "empress buffer+ stereo", using them in WDW. Would this buffer and routing solution replace both those pedals? I'm using the swiss things to output to my dry fx then to the dry amp, then line out to wet fx, using the empress buffer+ stereo to provide the buffers there. The advantage I see of the buffer+ stereo is the ability to sum to mono. But I know you don't like doing that, and I shouldn't either, but it's nice to have that option.
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@@marioyakir5486 they just landed at Sweetwater, should ship this week!
@@VertexEffectsInc I just got a Shipping notice. You are right. Thanks!!
YOU INCLUDED THE TUNER IN YOUR SIGNAL CHAIN DIAGRAM! No one does this and it has kinda frosted me for a while and kept me from trying to run my buffers. I never said I was smart. Thank you!!!!! I should toss my buffers I've been wanting to run and just buy this one out of principle. VRTX is a phenomenal company and this channel is truly a God send that has helped answer so many questions I have had. VRTX is the real MVP ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Mason, would you say Josh Scott’s buffer pedal is way way way better than yours?
@@surfthejapstrat7010 my understanding is that it's similar to the buffer in a Klon. That's a great overdrive, but not so good of a buffer if you're comparing it to the criteria you want for a quality buffer (tone-wise). I'm sure it's well built, as all JHS stuff is - but it will have a particular sound that's different than the guitar and amp alone with a 10ft. cable as as baseline (and you might want that). It's not really a comparable product. You'd have to get four of them plus an isolation box of some kind to get the same performance as our interface or module buffers do.
I bought one of these and mounted it in my board. This is the bomb. It fixed a lot of issues I had with my board.
I appreciate good pedalboard utilities. It's a boring subject so I feel like not enough companies even take the time to offer the stuff.
They're the core of any board!
Every company makes a buffer
How much did you get paid ?
One of the first pedals I bought my sister when she was getting into guitar was a tuner pedal. I said it's not flashy, but you need it.
@@KoaCharvelI gigged after a band who’s bassist didn’t own a tuner. I gave him mine for the gig 🧐
You guys just solved my issue about what damn 2 in and out buffers I am trying to purchase! I’m going to order one! Thanks for making such pedal that a lot of us out there are looking for! I watch all you vids
Hope to get one in your hands soon!
Seriously! My conundrum as well. If you're running four-cable method and plan on having a buffer everywhere (not on the FX Loop out if you have a good FX Loop, right?), then you need three. This saves space and cable.
I appreciate you taking the time to emphasize the importance of your experience with buffers.
Love all you do, Mason and team.
I’m keen to hear the 100 foot cable with and without the buffer please. A more accurate comparison IMO
We never heard the 100ft cable without the buffer... How dare you, Doc!
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
i agree
Finally, I've been waiting for this video for an eternity
They've landed, you should see it ship out this week!
Man mason finally ! Good wood audio has been getting all that clout 😂
@@Tone2town They make good stuff too, certainly more custom than this.
Did anyone else think the buffer + 100ft sounded better than straight in? You know you've done a great job when the basic tone doesn't necessarily "change", but the painful shrill bite goes away in a pleasing way, not in a detrimental way like some other brands. Nice work Mason.
Wonder if you're just hearing the dynamics in my picking. We spent a lot of time to ensure that we could get 1:1 with 100ft of even bad high capacitance cable.
@@VertexEffectsInc I would have liked to hear how the 100 ft cable sounds without a buffer box.
@@VertexEffectsInc both recordings sounded different.
In the same way, both times.
Very slight.
At 2x speed it is impossible to miss,
@@VertexEffectsInc A large company released their standalone buffer some years back and even in the you tube vids, the tone changed in a way that made it sound more solid state with noticeable top end gone, as if it was chopped off at a certain frequency. The reviewers were making excuses for it and trying to say thats as good as it gets. Another brand I tried added treble and it sounded brittle. Yet another brand made the tone lose attack and things darkened. Yours sounds completely natural and musical. 100ft has to have some affect on highs, yet yours doesn't lose any "tone", it comes out sounding better.
@@VertexEffectsInc definitely sounds different though, good work being "transparent" guys
Mason, First you are one of the worlds best manufacturers' and innovators. Your videos are understandable simple yet detail very clearly. That being said. your buffer sets the standard for junction boxes. I specifically wanted an ISO when i decided to go stereo. interestingly most do not take the isolation into account which you do. Keep up the great work.
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I'm running audition loop with 2nd amp out from AMP-R. works flawlessly. Love tis box.
Great Job Mason. I have waited for this pedal for such a long time
Hope you like it!
There was a difference.
Buffered signal sounded smoother...like compression was added. Now, many are saying it sounded "better." Well, ok...but, it is still different than the un-buffered signal. For better or worse.
I would suspect it had more to do with my playing than any real difference. We spent a lot of time to make it 1:1.
@@VertexEffectsInc highs sound rolled off on the 100 foot cable version
@@hotROMin Agreed
Pre ordered this back in may! Stoked to finally get it in
They've landed, you should see it ship out this week!
Great all in one "buffer box" with a lot of routing possibilities, which I often had to do with separate buffers - love it. 👍 Should be available at Thomann. 😉
Yes, should be there next week!
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I just got the message today that the buffer mod is being shipped today by Sweetwater, i have the vertex elite pedal board. got the power module, just got the Denelectro roebuck, odr, the xtc modded boss e7, the vertex boost, mxr compressor, a delay unit, 2 more buffers , a wah now i am in business
Enjoy it
I’m sold. Been looking to buffer my rig for years. I run a hybrid rig with Synergy preamps and Torpedo CAB M+. It ends up being a four cable method, and this looks perfect!
Thank you for the in-depth explanation. I went ahead and ordered one today. You answered all my questions. Much appreciated. ✌🏾
A very clever solution, the 5 cable is a winner!!!
Yes indeed!
Hosanna. I ordered mine over a month ago from Sweetwater and it is on its way now. I can finish that paddleboard.
🎸🎸🎸 rock on 🤘
Such a great tutorial on buffers and a great buffer design. Thanks for this.
Been running a Freidman Buffer bay for years, love it.
You explain concepts so well! Thanks!
Not only do I now want a buffer, but you have also forced me to save up for a Wet/Dry/Wet setup now that I know what that is... thanks for making me poor. Also, good job explaining things.
I need this in my life. Great job vertex team.
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Pretty cool box, really good documentation on how to use it
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Love this Mason, I have been using the Mesa High-Wire Dual Buffer on all my boards. I have been waiting for your buffer, I am going to get one from Sweetwater. I am also planning on having a Tone Consulting session with you.
Wonderful! Be sure to get them soon, I think they're already mostly sold out from pre-orders :)
I might have to pick one of these up. The only thing I wish that it had was a second FX Loop so I can run a fuzz pedal like your diagram, but also utilize a 4 Cable Method or an audition loop. Not a biggie though as I can just plug strait into my fuzz and then into the guitar in, but it won't look as clean as all the cables going strait in and out of the interface. Maybe a future version will have the option or like a little add on box with the extra loop. Anyway, it seems like a great product!
Damn!! Great video! Loved the different routing schemes, and now I know what a wet/dry/wet set up looks like. Thanks man!! Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for watching!
They qr code is a great idea! The number of times I'm trying to do something simple that I just haven't in a while, so I sit there staring at my phone trying to find a diagram lol
Yea, we thought it would be a good way to access the diagrams fast!
Ordered this few weeks ago at SweetWater. Can’t wait to get it. I ordered another company’s stereo buffer a few months ago and it killed my sound. I am sure Vertex will make a great buffer that will solve a lot of problems.
Mind saying which company the other buffer came from so I know to avoid it?
@@SparkleAndFade33 Starts with a G. Love my Empress Buffer but it is mono. They do not make their stereo buffer anymore.
Enjoy! Let us know if you have any questions
Got it from Sweet Water. Works perfectly. Thank you for making this!
Excellent video and product. I will be looking at integrating this device into my 4 cable setup. Thank you.
Amazing!
This detailed video convinced me to pick one of these up.
Thanks for the support!
I love it, but I have gotten so used to the Mesa High Wire having a built in clean boost, I’m not sure I want to go back to needing two separate pedals for buffer and boost again. Hmmm… 🤔
The High Wire is a good buffer, no doubt. If you're happy with it, why change?
Amazing all-in-one buffer system.
Great work on getting all the needs into one compact unit.
Two questions:
On the 4-cable set-up, why not have the FX-loop go through AMP R out?
On the W/D/W set-up, why not have dry go through the FX send and the two wets through AMP R and L?
I've bee waiting for over 7 months and have had it pre-ordered at Seetwater since then.
They've landed, you should see it ship out this week!
Fantastic buffer with a lot of routing options! It would be interesting to listen the 100ft cable without buffer to listen the degradation of the signal
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
I would have thought the reason you would need a buffer on the board is because of a long cable run, and/or load of pedals? To bring back the signal lost through the impedance of said cable/pedals.
Hence why people would say 'it made me sound brighter or brittle. Well it would if it brought back the high frequencies lost through long cables.
I think there's more misunderstanding what buffers are and what they do, rather than them all just been 'bad' buffers.
Though, obviously, some may be worse than others, but not because of that reason.
@@jayjayripoff exactly, usually when you don't have a buffer you tend to crank the treble on the amp or the pedals ti compensate the frequency Lost, when you put the buffer and you brought back the treble Lost It result to much , and people think buffers are brittle and harsh
@@lorenzocomelli2898 so we'd kinda need to hear the difference between:
- no buffer, 10ft cable vs 100ft cable.
- no buffer, with pedalboard, 10ft cable vs 100ft cable before board (after would be irrelevant).
- both scenarios with buffer vs competition buffer.
Right?
Excellent diagrams. Thank you!!
Hope they're helpful!
Looks like a great product, however, you've missed a trick here. You could've made a lineout box to pair with it for a complete solution.
That would just be a separate unit. I'm making a DIY video for the Line Out box BTW!
@@VertexEffectsInc Some of us have OCD and don't like to make things :D We prefer to buy a product that works.
I ordered mine in May. Still nothing….can’t wait to finish this project.
They literally just landed at Sweetwater.
I heard a LOT of compression through the buffer. Sounds good and distinct but straight in has more attack.
You're hearing the pick attack, not the buffer. It's not a direct A/B like turning a pedal on/off. You have to plug in cables add power, etc. It's sorta impossible to get it in real time without a loop of 100ft. of cable sitting around in a true bypass looper with the input buffer connected.
For the 4-cable wiring method, does the interface have auto rerouting for when I want to run all pedals in front of the amp (for example, when the amp doesn't have an effects loop). Thanks!
No. You’d need to plug a cable from amp output to the send on the interface. We can send you a routing diagram if you email us info@vertexeffects.com
So no example of long cables without your buffer?
100 ft. isn't a the baseline. It's more of a "beyond worst case scenario". 10ft. with no pedals is the closest baseline to what a guitar should sound like ideally, then the 100ft. cable is showing that the buffer can drive it with little to no impact to the baseline (10ft. cable into amp) tone. It's almost impossible to demonstrate something that should have no sound as a "tone" pedal - much of our videos leading up to this support what was being said in this video and demonstrated.
Yup- I'll be buying one of these!
Amazing!
My favorite point in this video was your use of the word “exemplar.” 😄
Sounds Great. What is your output signal 100k? Input is 1MOhm (assumption). Thank you
100 ohms (not K), 1M input impedance. Specs of the GODS!
@@VertexEffectsInc thank you.
I’ve been wanting something like this for so long. Can’t believe you guys are selling this to the masses at such an awesome price point. Ordering mine ASAP!
Our pleasure! Thanks for the support!
Hi, I'd like to make sure I understand properly. I'll be using this on my ampless rig with stereo effects. Would this method work?
Guitar in > dry effects > preamp pedal > return on the buffer > send on the buffer > wet effects > stereo on buffer
The Level set buffer by Fender, sits at the start of the signal chain. Couldn't play without it.
Hi Mason. Very clever work. Well done. How does this compare to an Empress Effects buffer plus? One of the features of the Empress that I really like is the tuner out which can mute the signal for quick silent tuning on stage. With your buffer not having this mute capability which mute pedal can you recommend? And would you patch it at the amp out or after the guitar input using one end of y-cable to feed the tuner and the other end going to a mute switch followed by the rest of the pedalboard? Thanks and keep up your valuable and informative work.
I just bought this buffer from Sweetwater. I own the ES-5 and the 8. Would you recommend that I disable the buffers from the es 5 and 8 while using the Vertex buffer? Also I was Having a hard time with ES 5 trying to route it with your diagrams which are great ! But this Es 5 is throwing me for a loop😂
I think the thing with buffers is we’ll never get our original tone back but it’s the best we can make up
For it
"other over the counter buffers"
This was great!
Ha, the “Flonase” of buffers
the QR code is BRILLIANT!!! Wish some of my more complicated pedals had that feature. Are you listening Strymon, UAFX, etc?
Jackson Audio was the first I saw to do it!
Hey Mason! One question: is there a possibility to acquire it in Europe (apart from buying it internationally from Sweetwater)? I am building a decent studio pedalboard and I've been thinking about an item like yours to incorporate to my new build (and haven't found any but yours).
Thanks in advance!
This is a great pedal Mason. How does it compare to the Lehle Sunday Driver SW aside from the multiple I/O?
One thing I wish you could've done for the video was to plug your guitar into a passive volume pedal, from the volume pedal into a pedalboard and then out of the pedalboard with a 100ft cable to the amp with no separate buffer anywhere in the chain.
Sunday Drive is good, it unloads the guitar however with too high an input impedance relative to a normal amp as I recall. Secondly, they don't build rigs so I always feel that many brands are at a disadvantage as they don't really see a lot of pedals from hundreds of different makers to figure out what works as a part of the whole. That's one big advantage we have separately from anything to do with electronics. The VP situation won't change, 100 ohm output Z with the quality of this buffer could drive more than 100ft. even with VP and no loss.
Definitely added to my X-Mas list.
Heck yea!
Hey guys, thanks for all the infos, love the channel!!!
Let me ask one thing: is there, somehow, any wiring method to use the 4 cable, BUT with some insert point on it???
Would be lovely, and exactly what I need.
Thanks
Well, I tell ya, my Vertex Boost is seriously the most transparent boost I've ever heard, so I take it at your word that these are transparent as well! I've never liked any buffers in the past, always this annoying high end "sheen" I call it. I suppose on stage you'd never notice but I don't like it. My question is Mason, I know you don't like the buffers on the G2, so would your module be helpful on a board with that or is there no way around their choice of in/out buffers?
Excellent job with this new buffer Mason and Vertex Effects! You guys have thought of everything with this useful and versatile pedal! Quick question, would a buffer pedal be of any use to help with a digital based modeler pedals like a Helix, Atomic Amplifire, or Kemper Profiler?
Peter, thank you! If you're using a digital modeler you're kinda already in the that world and a lot of this stuff, nuance-wise, might not be so critical since it's all digital. You will have cable capacitance, of course, but if you're already in the digital world you're kinda already saying "F it" to tone in some ways.
@@VertexEffectsInc kind of figured that. May be on the way back to an analog world soon, as I'm getting tired of all the frustrations that tend to come with digital regarding tone. Good to know there's an awesome and flexible buffer out on the market to get when I do!
Super interested in this- can you use one of the amp in/outs for amp channel switching?
Yes, the SEND is a multi purpose jack for use as a TRS or TS through for amp switching or you can convert it to MIDI as well.
Man…great job on this.👏🏾👏🏾
Thanks so much!
I hear the highs and high mids slighly compromised... probably nothing an amp tweek can't correct.
I remember seeing Albert Collins wander around the audience on a 100 ft cable. His sound would take your head off, Tele bridge pup into a Fender Quad Reverb.... i firmly believe my tinitus is partially due to standing 10 feet from the front of his amp.
I'm still wondering if this is buffer necesary for small time bar gigs. Won't your Boost pedal do the same? I play mostly Tele.
All that 2 amp, stereo, line out stuff is rocket science to me. You are a rocket scientist..... as well as the rig doctor....
For decades, I refused to use pedals, always a straight-in player. It all started when I didn't like my amp's reverb, and bought a Boss '73 Fender reverb pedal, which blew me away. Then a friend let me try his Timmy... then it was off to the races buying and using too many pedals.
I'm now downsized, and am fond of "always-on." The only pedal I use during a gig is a volume pedal... but once again, I love your products, and your videos.
Keep up the great work.... I enjoy your playing too... good stuff. How about doing a music video with a band?
So many players demo a product solo, sounds disjointed.... hell.... even a backing track would be a huge improvement. Why is that? JHS uses bass & drums in their demos. It adds so much to the demo...
How do you know it's just not the difference in playing? I can tell you that there's almost zero detectable loss even with 200 ft. of a decent cable. Many of our videos use tracks, look at any of the last 3-5 videos.
Wish you would have also showed us what a 100ft of cable sounds like direct to the amp.
The reason is that 100ft. would never be a baseline someone would calculate. The sound you want to calibrate to is the guitar into the amp with a short cable (hence the 10ft. cable reference). The 100ft. cable is showing a worst case scenario and how closely it resembles the 10ft. cable alone without the buffer. Any buffer will make a 100ft. of cable sound better typically to some degree, but not every buffer can make a 10ft. cable with no buffer sound like a 100ft. cable with a buffer driving it.
@@VertexEffectsInc Understandable, but I wanted to hear it just for the lolz.
Finally got mine after waiting 7 months, would’ve been nice if it would have came with the mounting screws.
Email us or your dealer, we provided extra screws and small parts for replacements.
@@VertexEffectsInc I did. They were checking into it, they didn’t know if they were included or not. I went and found my own. Nothing better than paying for something and then having to pay more to use it.
You are a genius brother; can you help this old rocker, turned retired firefighter, but still playing in my bedroom. I have 5 Gain, overdrive drive etc. pedals and 8 stereo effects pedals. Going into two amps. I want to keep it simple. I have the Boss ES-8, I cant deal with that. So I am scrapping it. It looks like this would be perfect for me. Can you confirm
Great video man I'm definitely gonna buy one of these I've been deciding what buffer I'm gonna buy and this is definitely it! I did have a question though. I'm currently using a Boss IR-200 in stereo instead of traditional amp but I've been thinking about trying out a wet/dry/wet setup. would I be able to do this with another amp/cab sim in addition to the IR-200 or would I need a traditional amp? Thanks!
You'd need something like the Stereo Cab Zeus, check out our video on it.
My main board runs straight into my DAW for recording..many of the (19) pedals have high quality buffers..some can be switched to true bypass..question: can you have too many buffers? If using your unit should I turn off the others? Love your vids!
Most of your pedals don’t have high quality buffers - less than 1% of pedals do. Most people don’t know what qualifies a good buffer. Most aren’t 1M input impedance and 100 ohm output impedance - most are 10x worse on the output impedance.
@@VertexEffectsInc So for pedals which allow you to switch between true bypass and not (or buffered bypass?), do you suggest turning off the true bypass option?
Were can you buy that "tuner out" plit cable? I can only find TRS to 2x TS.
Hosa sells them or we sell them on our site www.therigdr.com: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/YPP111--hosa-ypp-111-y-cable-1-4-inch-ts-to-dual-1-4-inch-tsf-6-inch
Inline Isolation Transformer
When using with a Wet|Dry|Wet configuration, should I add one of my isolation transformers inline to the second wet amp?
...or is isolating only one of the three amps the 'best practice'?
Generally I recommend that folks use an isolated line out box, like the Suhr, so you can get additional isolation of the wet side if needed and you can use the ISO transformer on the interface to take care of the other wet amp. Ideally you need two of the three isolated in the worst case scenario.
@@VertexEffectsInc Sadly, I don't use a line-out from my dry amp to feed the wet channels. I generally split the dry signal on the pedalboard with a lehle p-split. I run the iso line to the dry amp, and the direct line out to the wet effects chain on the board. The stereo signal leaves the effects chain out to the wet amps through a second p-split, with the right channel isolated. Does this meet the criteria you have outlined above, or am I woefully off-base with this implementation? ...and can implement something similar using your new Buffer Interface?
Im hoping this clarification will also help others that use this slight variation on the WDW configuration outlined in your drawings.
By the way, thanks for always being so attentive to your users questions, particularly here on TH-cam! 🤘
Good day, I love all your videos and I have learned so much, Thank you.I have a question regarding this buffer interface, I have a EVH 5150 III and I want to know how to wire your buffer using 4CM and also having a pass through for the EVH amp channel switcher, is this possible with this unit? Thanks again and be safe.
A buffer for acoustic basses.. Higher MEG than 1 MEG ? I heard 10 MEG should be the minimum. That's Piezo to output Jack, then buffer.
How about!! When you’re using a 7 cable method? Using a multi effects unit along with the gains of 2 amplifiers ?(obviously using the fx loop for external modulation pedals)
I did hear clarity lost. And Om almost deaf from decade of playing. However I still need both
I’ve been watching several of your videos and am wondering if I need a buffer on my board. I’m running a Shure wireless, then 11 pedals, then a MXR Boost/Line Driver at the end. All patch cables are Mogami. Using a 25ft Mogami cable to the amp.
You might be OK!
What is that whammy chorus swell sound? It always reminds me of a transition scene on Saved By The Bell for some reason lol.
Tri Stereo Chorus, Eventide H3000, Lexicon Delays and Reverbs
Mason, a very critical question. I'm planning to purchase the Chase Bliss Preamp MK2 soon and noticed in addtion to all the amazing gain tones, it has fuzz capability. Do you have experience with this and would a buffer before the pedal affect that specific circuit? I mean, I guess I'm just gonna have to dive in and try myself once I get it. I'm trying to make that my only drive pedal on the board before the SSS SRV and utilize amp sim after.
See 5:30 of the video.
@@7Boots right, but the other drive circuits in the pedal aren't impedence sensitive as far as I know. I guess I'll just plug straight into the pedal and then go through buffer input ofr the rest of my board.
@@prstito ideally it's before any buffer so you could use it the passive input (SEND) as shown in our wiring diagrams under "What If I Have A Fuzz": www.vertexeffects.com/vertex-interface-guide#section-fuzz
It would be nice if you could actually demo how it improves the sound caused by impedance problems with some practical example. How it just seems like a box that just does nothing at all.
We show it versus a 100ft. cable with the buffer vs. a 10ft cable baseline.
Plug into your amp, plug into it through the buffer, is there a change? Thats the test it seems nothing passes, I really wish I could use a pedal and think its a tonal improvement to the baseline.
So in a 4cm with a Switcher , in line volume pedal , the Emprerss Buffer and a Sentry noise gate( A lot of maintence pedals here) So Guitar into the Buffer or Noise gate first? Buffer makes sense but you lose the input push right? So then maybe the Noise gate IN first from Guitar, then hit the Buffer then the Switcher to start your front of amp effects. Then the Send out of the Switcher to the Front of your amp, no maintence pedals in this signal. The Send out of your effects loop into the Volume pedal for overall master volume, Then the Noise gate then into the Switcher Volume return. From there the Modulation delay reverb type effects loops are after the volume input loop and then the output of the Switcher to the Buffer and then out to the Return of your amps effects loop . Do I have the right or would you do it differently? I'm using a Boss ES-8 as the switcher and it's awesome.
Adding a Smart Footswitch which would be a REMOTE Smart Footswitch that connects to the Vertex Buffer Interface box which can switch between 4 cable method to Wet/Dry/Wet. What I'm saying is some guitar effects you want the 4 cable method and other guitar effects you want Wet/Dry/Wet, so you need a REMOTE smart footswitch to add to the front of the pedal board so you can switch between the routing rigs in a live gig. The Vertex Buffer Interface box should also have those audio isolation transformers on the guitar input jack, send jack, etc to have switch options to turn on/off the audio isolation transformers to have "passive buffers options". You want "Passive Galvantic isolation" from the guitar output jack to the first guitar pedal input jack or amplifier input jack. Active Buffer pedals don't offer or provide Galvantic isolation at all which most people think a buffer pedal gives isolation from the input jack to the output jack. There should also be a Wah Audition Loop only for wah pedals which will bypass everything on the input and wired directly to the output jack because anything on the output jack of a wah pedal will LOAD or change the wah output impedance which the back and forth RANGE will be less and less more limited so you want the wah output jack to go directly straight to the amplifiers input jack. Wah output impedance is very sensitive so most buffers circuits on the wah output will colour and change the wah output impedance so it won't do the same vocal range.
It would be a ton of relays and would jack the price way up to make it all happen. This would be a 1% use case and we're trying to put all the most common applications in one box. A Buffer only provides impedance isolation, you need a transformer (and there are other methods as well) to isolate hum due to a ground loop in your rig. Transformers are the simplest way in my opinion to do this, however the transformer really matters to mitigate any audio quality issues - most transformers people use for buffer interfaces are input transformers which aren't right for this application, even if they say "Jensen" on them.
@@VertexEffectsInc If you want 3 different routing paths on your pedal board. #1.) non-4 cable method, #2.) the 4 cable method, #3.) Wet/Dry/Wet. If you want to use all 3 routing paths how do you do this using ONE vertex interface box? you would need to use THREE vertex interface boxes and use a digital switcher unit to switch between the 3 vertex interface boxes that would have the non-4 cable method routing, the 4 cable method routing, wet/dry/wet routing. What I'm trying to say is using ONE vertex interface box you're trapped and stuck into only using ONE routing method. What I'm trying to say is how can you use all 3 routing methods? because some guitar pedals sound better using the 4 cable method and other guitar pedals sound better using the non-4 cable method and then you want your modulation effects using the wet/dry/wet routing method. So there needs to be "break out jack ports" for "different routing methods"
@@VertexEffectsInc If you want to use two different FET amplifier guitar pedals that are mimicing either marshall, orange, dumble, fender tweed, etc the RED SEA pedal has a Blend knob to blend the stereo FET amplifier guitar pedals. Most pedalboards in the next few years will have a lot of these FET amplifiers guitar pedals at the end of their rig. The Vertex Interface box would need an effects loop audition loop port to insert these FET amplifier guitar pedals and RED SEA pedal before the final output jacks on the interface box that has the isolation transformer. I think the RED SEA might have an isolation transformer not sure but it doesn't have polarity phase switches for each stereo output jack port. I would recommend Vertex to make their own RED SEA blend pedal to blend in different FET amplifier guitar pedals which its going to be very common on pedal boards in the next few years that most guitarist won't even bring their guitar amplifiers plus speakers to a gig anymore because it will be all different FET amplifiers pedals with IR speaker simulations pedals on the pedalboards. You can do a WET/DRY/WET rig using 3 different FET amplifier guitar pedals on your pedalboard instead of brining 3 different amplifier heads and 3 different speaker cabs to your gig is a joke and hassle now of days. Vertex needs to make a pedal like the RED SEA that has audio isolation transformers and a BLEND knob. Check it out its going to be on most pedalboards for live gigs.
@@VertexEffectsInc you don't have to use relays you can use very cheap microcontroller chip that has a lot of I/O ports which most have 8 or 16 inputs and outputs. The smart foot switch can be programmed to switch different routing methods. The smart switch can be remote pedal that can be placed anywhere on the pedalboard to switch the different routing methods.
Kudos for the Dann Huff track👍
The best!
Hi Mason, I hope you are doing great! I have purchased this buffer and am trying to come up with a way to use a fuzz with a programmable switcher and this buffer. Do you know of a way to incorporate this set up while protecting the high impedance needed? I purchased a buzz electronics 10 channel programmable switcher if that matters. Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!
Awesome just ordered ❤
Amazing!
Awesome Mason! 🎸👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😊
Thanks for listening
3:12 classic dying string sound, bet it feels that squishy too
So my set up currently, I’m running through the UA Dream, into my time based effects and then into the walrus canvas di/line isolator box, which then runs into my Apollo interface, or front of house if I’m gigging.
Ive really been in the market for a buffer pedal like yours. The good wood audios interfacer, the a3 custom tone solution being two that seem to be of similar makeup.
I’m curious whether your pedal can both replace my walrus canvas, and give me an input/output buffer?
And if it doesn’t really offer what the canvas does, would you run your buffer before or after the di box?
Thanks,
Adam
The Canvas is a DI, so no - it won't replace what you have. Honestly I don't think you need it with this set up if you're going balanced out to the board and ampless.
It's here!
Yes!
Awesome. Do you guys do a buffer pedal for bass/will do one?
It will work for bass as well, however there is much more variety of input impedance for bass amps so depending on your amp this input impedance on our buffer could be too low based on what you're used to. Some amps for bass are as high as 10M ohms. Where as all guitar amps are pretty much all 1M.
I have 1M on my current amp so good. If that goes up on a future amp we could what throw a Sunday driver before the Interface?
Nice Video Mason!Very instructive for me😍May I ask the name of the music begin from 0:22-0:32? Appreciate it a lot!!!
It's from our friend Tim Marco, check him out on IG!
This guy is buffer king
Hahahaha
Since I’m running multiple Strymons including a boost/compressor first…& a built in buffer in BigSky outs to the amps… am I already good without this?
this is really exactly what I have spent years trying to find for a W/D/W setup. I am unfortunately not technical enough to make something like this on my own.
That being said... do you have a recommendation on a Line Out box for the W/D/W setup?
Yes, this is great for wet/dry/wet. For the line out box I like the Suhr Iso Line Out.
@@VertexEffectsInc awesome - thanks!
@@guitargeek57 Not to rain on the Vertex parade, this is a great product and I own one for a stereo rig. But for Wet/Dry/Wet you might want to check out Goodwood Audio's Wet/Dry/Wet junction box. I am using one for my w/d/w rig and can't recommend it enough.
@@SixStrings2wheels dude… that’s next level stuff.
Definitely will consider it.
Thanks!
But... why you didn't demonstrate the tone of 100 ft cable without buffer? That basically almost ruined the point of good demonstration. Maybe without buffer the tone would be as good. You had a chance to prove buffer is needed, but you didn't use the opportunity :)
100ft. cable wouldn't be the baseline, but rather a beyond worse case scenario. The baseline is the 10ft. cable into the amp, that's what you're reasonably trying to reproduce even with 10+ pedals and a dozen cables from guitar to amp.
Looks great Mason!
You’re going to have the interface version on your board!
@@VertexEffectsInc Can't wait! 🙌
Looks imteresting, can you provide the specs in number form of the impedance and such compared to a popular onboard in/out buffer like the ES5/8 for example. I also hear a slight tonal difference but ny guess is this is more due to the capacitance of the 10ft cable... perhaps if the base tone used a 2ft cable we wouldnt hear the tonal shift.
Great job with these videos btw, no one does it like vertex
This looks amazing, I use
the providence STV-1 Tuner that has a
Vitalizer buffer and is a router too, but i still
notice degradation to my tone from my
Friedman amp through my pedalboard
because when I plug straight, the amp
sounds AMAZING!! Are these available in
the U.K.?? And also my suggestion would
be that I use 4 cable method with my time
based effects in the FX Loop of the amp,
however sometimes I don't use them in the
FX Loop and want them front of the amp so
is there an automatic connection within the
interface so that when the loop outs aren't
in use it auto routes to the output.
Templeboard do this with their 4x MOD Pro Module. Thanks
I have an "eqd swiss things" and an "empress buffer+ stereo", using them in WDW.
Would this buffer and routing solution replace both those pedals? I'm using the swiss things to output to my dry fx then to the dry amp, then line out to wet fx, using the empress buffer+ stereo to provide the buffers there. The advantage I see of the buffer+ stereo is the ability to sum to mono. But I know you don't like doing that, and I shouldn't either, but it's nice to have that option.
Game changer.
Is it okay to put a guitar into a fuzz in front of the guitar in?
That's fine.
Hi mason i just bought my vertex buffer.. where I’m going to put my wah pedal?
I would use the passive input (SEND) or plug into the wah first and then catch the input buffer after any impedance sensitive stuff.
At last Mason. Freaking awesome
Thanks Peter!