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I think Disney needs to start a “dark Disney” series. Where they animate the darker stories they pull most of their popular works from. It would be like cartoon horror movies.
Dude that’s a pretty cool idea omg. Could be called something like “Disney origins” (idk) where they just show the brutal original stories of our well know loved Disney stories
They’ve done scary movies before. The Black Cauldron comes to mind. But I don’t know why they stopped. I guess their kid friendly films were more commercially successful.
Theyll never go for it. Their fully committed to the family friendly content. Only time that might happen is if they decide to release it through some other company that they own like hulu now. But even then some people might think that because its "disney" that its okay for their kids. So theyll never do it.
As a native Hawaiian who learned all these stories and school, I LOVE THIS. Besides pronunciation you found actual facts and evidence about the stories and gods.
Petition for a messed up origins on ‘The Phantom of the Opera’ and works by Edgar Allan Poe, messed up Disney on ‘The Black Cauldron’ and the ‘Rite of Spring’ and ‘A Night on Bald Mountain’ from ‘Fantasia’, and a messed up murders on Ed Gein.
@@nightflame69 You should read the books then. Just finished the last one the other day actually. I feel like the movie does a great job of capturing the spirit of them even though the story is a mishmash of the two first books. The Black Cauldron is actually the second book in the series just so you aren't confused. The first book of the Chronicles of Prydain is the Book of Three. Again if you like the movie I definitely think you will like the books.
“If you like gore, canniballism, and a whole lot more, strap on your seatbelt and get an umbrella, because it was surely a golden age for that.” -percy jackson, Percy Jackson’s Greek Gods, chapter 1/preview
There was a time in history when our culture and traditions were once banned from us and a lot of our ancestral knowledge was lost (some lost forever). To now see the ʻike that survived being shared and appreciated by so many others (who may or may not have any connections to Hawaii) is honestly such a win for us Kanaka. Even though our oppressors tried to eradicate us and wipe away our existence, we are still here thriving not only within our own communities, but now all over the world with the kōkua of so many awesome people. I recently discovered this page and love putting this on in the background while I do other things, but when I started to hear familiar names such as Pele(honuamea), Moananuikalehua, Hiʻiaka(ikapoliopele), Nāmaka(ʻokahaʻi), etc… it caught my attention real quick and I had to watch. Something that I notice about all of your videos and really appreciate, & especially in these ones covering our moʻolelo, is the amount of effort, research, and articulation you put into them. To me it shows what we call “aloha” which can mean many things such as respect, unassuming, appreciative, considerate, etc... (& just FYI if interested, aloha is more of a lifestyle than it is a greeting). And although not perfect, I appreciate you trying to pronounce the names of our akua and places, while at the same time not making a mockery of our language. The only nitpicky thing I would like to touch on is that many of the stories you shared were from Hawaii. We are a part of Polynesia, but we do not make up all of Polynesia nor do our cultural traditions/practices and shouldn’t be referred to as “Polynesian”. There are many similarities between our cultures such as our mythologies, languages, and even our struggles, but to group all Polynesians under one umbrella to me takes away from the beauty and uniqueness of our intricate cultures. I think it would be incredible for future videos surrounding Polynesian cultures if there were clearer distinctions of which place you got the stories from, so that these places can enjoy the respect and appreciation they also deserve. Other than that really small detail, I’m so impressed by these videos, mahalo nui loa! P.S. - Sounds for the vowels applies to the entire Hawaiian language & never changes. If you can remember the pronunciation of the vowels, the rest becomes a little easier😊. I encourage anyone who would like to learn ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi to give it a fair chance if you have the time. E ola Ka ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi! - A: AH - E: EH - I: E - O: O - U: OOH
Polynesia has such a variety of similarities and differences in each island of Polynesia with their legends. New Zealand, Samoa, Hawai'i, Tonga, Easter Island, Tahiti etc.
It’s crazy to me how they’re all under the Polynesian umbrella, yet in completely different places. I was born in nz and I remember when Hawaii was brought up for the first time I was like uhhh why are they saying all these things when it’s the Maori’s (something along those lines) and then I was informed about how all of these different places all come under the Polynesian umbrella
@@BeInDeny IKR people don’t realise that like the Movie Moana. Polynesians voyaged from Island to island in real life. The islands today are filled with their descendants. Hawaiians, Samoans, Māori, Tongans, Cook Islanders etc.
@that blonde babe Well you ARE 100% CORRECT. But luckily some people don't know about this shit, and turns out Disney actually just wanted to make things more clean and child friendly but I actually do agree with you Disney is *gross*
Most fairy tales were originally “horror stories” or “stories of caution”. It’s Disney that changed them to fantastical family oriented feature presentations.
The fact that you got most of these Polynesian legends correct and you said they’re names relatively correct is amazing ! I’m from Hawai’i and I’m a Native Hawaiian and I really enjoyed this video !
Oshun (spelled various ways, but yes Oshun is a correct spelling they weren't wrong) is an Orisha, one of the African river goddesses, currently being given a large role in the show American Gods (which of course is not their origin just one of the most recent references drawing light to more cultures' beliefs and drawing our attention to them assuming we hadn't learned of them previously). I'd also love to see the actual origin story/stories!
Example 1: "Papa took it upon herself to name the baby Haloa, which means “eternal breath”, and then buried it facing the rising sun in the east, then from the spot he was buried sprouted the taro plant, which was very important to Hawaiian diets back in the day." Example 2: "Moana’s spirit was then transformed and from the spot she was buried sprouted the Oli’a Lehua, which is one of Hawaii’s most sacred trees." The two above myths are similar to other rebirth and vegetation myths from around the world. I study comparative mythology, so this kind of interests me. I'll give a few examples. In Irish mythology, Miach was killed and his dead body was reborn as 365 herbs. In another Irish myth, the lovers Naoise and Deirdre died and were reborn as pine trees. In Algonquin Native American mythology, the god Chakekenapok was killed and then reborn as grapevines. In Penobscot Native American mythology, the character Corn Goddess was killed and then she was reborn as corn. The Phrygian god Attis hung/died on a pine tree. In the Shinto religion of Japan, the goddess Ogetsu-no-hime died and from her dead body came rice, wheat, soy beans, red beans, and millet. In Babylonian mythology, after the goddess Tiamat is killed by the supreme god Marduk, her body becomes the earth (as well as the sky). In Norse mythology, after Ymir is killed by Odin and his brothers, his body becomes the animistic source of the earth. In the Christian religion, Jesus dies on a cross, which is a symbolic tree.
I think my favorite aspect of this story was the call back to Greek myths in that the world begun by union between the Earth and Sky. So many creation myths begin this way across the board and it makes me wonder where and in what culture the creation myth or story could be considered the oldest known mention of the world starting this way.
My ohana is from the Hawaiian islands. My name is Hawaiian, and I grew up with the culture. I loved how much research and respect you put into this. Even if you didn’t pronounce it right I could still tell that you were trying. Mahalo 🌺✨💕
In New Zealand/ Aotearoa the gods of the sky and earth are know as the earth mother Papatuanuku and the sky father Ranginui but this is so cool to learn about the beliefs of my other Polynesia whanau and see the similarities to other cultures myths and legends thank you so much Jon for always teaching us something new 😊
I think that the Moana of the movie was the reincarnated sea goddess. After being dead about a thousand years, she had found it in her heart to forgive Maui and wanted to restore Tefiti's heart. When she made her request via the goddess of the underworld, the other goddesses and gods thought Who better to look Taka in the face and say "don't let yourself be defined by the wrongs done to you" than someone who has risen above the wrongs done to her? Of course, Moana would have to do it as a human, she would not have the memories of her previous life and there would be limits to how much help the gods could give her, but she was OK with that and they had already found the perfect teacher in Tala. Tala had earned her ability to commune with the sea, either she learned it or the sea goddess Namaka had given her the ability, she had chosen the boat Moana would use because it was small enough for one person to handle and was strong enough to take the beating it would be subjected to. When Tala died, the gods repaid her for getting Moana ready be making her into a young, powerful manta ray and telling all of the sea creature to treat her with great respect.
I always Loved Pele, her tales always got me to love where I am from. and all the Hawaiian Legends I love, and hearing the Ploy versions is awesome as well.
@@Fairywithabunker Well.... For perspective, let's put it like this.... Let's say that if you compiled all of Greek mythology as is into one book that it would be bigger than the size of all 3 LOTR books. Now let's remove everything involving Zeus sticking his dick in anything and what comes from it and you'd have something maybe a couple hundred pages at best
you are honestly doing a great job with the pronunciations, you can can tell the time and effort you put in! funny enough, Polynesian (at least in Hawaiian) pronunciation is a lot easier and consistent, compared to Greek for instance, what makes it difficult to is how long the names can be. all the vowels make the same sound consistently: a = ah i = ee e = eh o = oh u = oo
I have always been drawn to the European Gods/Mythology. However I have always felt at peace whenever I am in or near the ocean, so because of that Moana is my second favorite Disney movie, just under Tarzan. Your videos have me pushing the Greek Gods aside and find the Polynesian Gods/Mythology more intriguing. One thing I question I have, about Moana... I know Disney had a huge group of Polynesian advisors, so I wonder why Disney created fictional Polynesian Gods, instead of using the real mythology. I truly commend you for your hard work and I literally applaud you for these videos.
Similarities to the Moon Goddess Myth of the Book of Giants, specifically The Lost Book of King Og, where the prophesied savior of the Giants, King Og’s daughter (the last living female Giant) has a still birth, condemning the Giants to extinction, just as The Flood waters rise about the warring Giants
Maybe the fire goddess did something that her mother disliked causing her to take control over her daughter and taking her heart is the only thing that releases her daughter.
Oh I absolutely LOVE this! Moana is my fav, and I'm really into archetypes and mythology so I just watched it in awe! Defo a new fan here...I'll have to go binge your other content. Thank you 😊
So far my favorite Polynesian goddess is Namaka! Thank you for all that info! I can’t wait for more Norse Mythology!! It will really help my novel research. 🥰
Hey Jon, I am new to your channel and I love your content. As much as I loved the movie Moana, a lot of people could only mention the inspiration for the movie only contains the islands of the Polynesians. However, there are inspiration that are based from the Micronesian Islands. For example, the Sleeping Lady is based on the Island of Kosrae, which is known for its name.
Maui kills Moana. Dang, that Disney can get dark! My favorite deity is Papa. So many myths from different cultures have so much in common, which is so cool. We all aren't really that different after all..
While your Ocean theory is interesting, I do have a version of my own. While love may have had something to do with it, duty may have also played a role since ocean creatures were dying as well. The reason they didn't return the heart themselves was they Didn't want to harm Tek-ka out of fear of retaliation for even a accidental injury
As a Polynesian I love how you respected our culture ❤️ a lot of people don’t know that moana isn’t one Polynesian country it’s actually a mix of all polynesian islands which is why it’s soooo special to us ❤️ moana means ocean in all polynesian languages ❤️ thank you for doing this❤️
I could be misremembering it, but in one version of the *Japanese* creation story I remember reading, after she and Izanagi hooked up, Izanami ended up giving birth to the Japanese islands; the story of Papa giving birth to the *Hawaiian* islands sounds pretty similar to that, as does the Polynesian belief of everything possessing mana to the Japanese belief of everything possessing a *Kami* . There's actually a *few* similarities between Japanese and Polynesian mythology, which honestly isn't surprising, considering that the Polynesians were such incredible sailors as to sail as far as the *Americas* ; and considering that Japan's much *closer* to most Polynesian islands than the Americas, I honestly think it entirely *possible* that Polynesians visited Japan, and vice-versa. I even remember reading someone's comment on a *different* video on Polynesian cultures that the King of Hawaii actually *met* with the emperor of Japan to try to convince Japan to help *protect* Hawaii's status as an independent country before the Bayonet Constitution wound up being signed, and Hawaii ended up becoming a mere *American state* . Want proof that America *is* an empire, look no further than Hawaii. PS: Despite developing on the complete *opposite* side of the Eurasian landmass, in a mostly different *climate* , Japanese culture and mythology *also* has a lot of similarities to *Norse* culture and Mythology, which *definitely* explains why Japanese media *loves* referencing Norse mythology even in pieces that're in *no other* way connected to it; Bayonetta for instance, has challenge portals called Alfheim portals, the main antagonist of the *first* game is a figure named Father Baldur, etc, even though the first and second games have Judeo-Christian-Islamic influence in their themes, and otherwise have *no* connection to Norse mythology.
@@leilanilamour5173 what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Puppy in my pocket adventures in Pocketville or My Little Pony Friendship is Magic
😂😂 I'm Polynesian (not gonna say which one I represent) , your pronunciation are so off, but I give you props bro. 💯 love your videos!! keep it coming.
The part of that legend where the goddess would appear to reproduce her bloodline and come back every 100 years or so put me in mind of the mother gothel in Tangled just a wee bit, still I enjoyed the hell out of this vid Would be interesting to see a short vid about all of the many myths and how they correlate
I’m excited for the Moana series, there’s so much they can do and so much potential for new characters! I loved the movie but our character cast really was only limited to Moana, Maui and like.. the ocean.
That one moment when your so early that you don't have anything fun- Yeah I'm not doing that. It's a little annoying ngl. I hope of you all have a wonderful day!
i agree completely disney could and should take this in a direction that shares more of the hawaiian culture and gods. i was born and raised in the islands and i respect all the research you have done for this video. although we now view these stories as folklore, these stories were regarded as history and carry lessons that the ancient hawaiians have learned and passed on to future generations. thank you for sharing 💕🤙🏽
4:33 =Egyptian example: Geb and Nut... That picture still weirded me out upon seeing the sky with a long phallic object pointed below a smaller woman looking up in an encyclopedia section dedicated to mythology...
As a half Samoan, thank you for making these videos🤍. I love the mythology and I don’t get to hear many stories anymore since I don’t live in Samoa🤍 fa’afetai Jon (thank you) 🤍🤝
If Disney made more characters about the Hawaii goods they would have to make them pg 13 to tone it down enough to actually tell their stories and not make them as disrespectful as moan was to the Hawaiian people. Because they first said it was a Hawaii story then they changed it to a Polynesian story because they took different aspects from each but mostly Samoa
@@MissCaraMint ohh neat. Ours means “land” basically. But it’s very important to the Hawaiian people to Malama or “take care” of the aina. What does yours mean?
As always, thanks for watching SoloFam! Polynesian Mythology is always such a fun topic and I truly hope to explore more of these incredible myths in the future!
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I dare u to try to pronounce every name u couldn't in all of ur videos (including this video, u only have to try three times) luv ya (no homo)
Tysm for these videos 💞
Do brave (disney) next please!!!
Question: Be real with me tho.
Do you actually play Disney Collect?
Actually interested.
I played for a few months and got bored, looking to get back into it.
I think Disney needs to start a “dark Disney” series. Where they animate the darker stories they pull most of their popular works from. It would be like cartoon horror movies.
Dude that’s a pretty cool idea omg. Could be called something like “Disney origins” (idk) where they just show the brutal original stories of our well know loved Disney stories
They’ve done scary movies before. The Black Cauldron comes to mind. But I don’t know why they stopped. I guess their kid friendly films were more commercially successful.
Theyll never go for it. Their fully committed to the family friendly content.
Only time that might happen is if they decide to release it through some other company that they own like hulu now.
But even then some people might think that because its "disney" that its okay for their kids.
So theyll never do it.
They did kind of do this with the TV series Once Upon a Time, that show has so many dark aspects.
Sure if they hate money that would be a great idea
“Those of you who Iike mythology that’s filled with violence and incest then your in for a treat” *said John with a completely straight face*
completely straight? not with that facial hair it isn't... ;p
Well... that is what we are here for... honestly...
he always has a completely straight face
Im thought this was polynesian mythology, not greek. Guess Norse is the only one without incest...
@@funkyfiss bm
I like the facial hair. Makes you look Disney villain-ish.
Haha best Disney villain ever 😂😂😂😂👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Lemmy Kilmisters nephew
😂😂
He’s giving me evil uncle from Ella Enchanted vibes and the six fingered man from the Princess Bride
... Sorry I am reminded of Jafar...
As a native Hawaiian who learned all these stories and school, I LOVE THIS. Besides pronunciation you found actual facts and evidence about the stories and gods.
Frl I like that he did so much research about it. But yeah that prohibition made me laugh lol
glad you both liked the stories! Hopefully I can get the pronunciations right next time we talk Polynesian mythology 🙏🏼😅
@@JonSolo pls do a remake of the messed up stories of pocahontas, there have been more truths revealed about pocahontass real identity
@@Monkey559100 prohibition????
Disney movies: 😃
The original folklore: 💀
Why does it work so well tho
Yes
☠︎︎
Me watching Disney:🤔 👁👄👁.
Disney: 🥳
Grimm Brothers: 🙂
Original mythos:👹👺☠️💀👀
Petition for a messed up origins on ‘The Phantom of the Opera’ and works by Edgar Allan Poe, messed up Disney on ‘The Black Cauldron’ and the ‘Rite of Spring’ and ‘A Night on Bald Mountain’ from ‘Fantasia’, and a messed up murders on Ed Gein.
YES
Well, he already did one on the ugly duckling, so I guess you’re covered.
Oooh ooooh so do one for black cauldron! It’s one of my favorite movies
I signed
@@nightflame69 You should read the books then. Just finished the last one the other day actually. I feel like the movie does a great job of capturing the spirit of them even though the story is a mishmash of the two first books. The Black Cauldron is actually the second book in the series just so you aren't confused. The first book of the Chronicles of Prydain is the Book of Three. Again if you like the movie I definitely think you will like the books.
“Giving birth to islands... that’s gotta hurt.”
Lol
I know right?
That had to hurt
Yikes 😬
Hahahahahaha
I see Jon rocking the beach cop stache.
Magnum p.i.
Just needs some mirror shades
Yaaas 🙌🤙
I notice you've copied my beard 🤣😂🤣 God bless Chris Hemsworth 😅
To me, it's like Lord Baelish
“Those of you who like mythology that’s filled with violence and incest...”
*Percy Jackson flashbacks*
That’s what I was thinking
“If you like gore, canniballism, and a whole lot more, strap on your seatbelt and get an umbrella, because it was surely a golden age for that.” -percy jackson, Percy Jackson’s Greek Gods, chapter 1/preview
SAME OMG
AMIRIIIITE i started reading the books, and am on the battle of the labyrinth and holy god, or gods
It’s true because I LOVE mythology And that is legit my personality
There was a time in history when our culture and traditions were once banned from us and a lot of our ancestral knowledge was lost (some lost forever). To now see the ʻike that survived being shared and appreciated by so many others (who may or may not have any connections to Hawaii) is honestly such a win for us Kanaka. Even though our oppressors tried to eradicate us and wipe away our existence, we are still here thriving not only within our own communities, but now all over the world with the kōkua of so many awesome people. I recently discovered this page and love putting this on in the background while I do other things, but when I started to hear familiar names such as Pele(honuamea), Moananuikalehua, Hiʻiaka(ikapoliopele), Nāmaka(ʻokahaʻi), etc… it caught my attention real quick and I had to watch. Something that I notice about all of your videos and really appreciate, & especially in these ones covering our moʻolelo, is the amount of effort, research, and articulation you put into them. To me it shows what we call “aloha” which can mean many things such as respect, unassuming, appreciative, considerate, etc... (& just FYI if interested, aloha is more of a lifestyle than it is a greeting). And although not perfect, I appreciate you trying to pronounce the names of our akua and places, while at the same time not making a mockery of our language. The only nitpicky thing I would like to touch on is that many of the stories you shared were from Hawaii. We are a part of Polynesia, but we do not make up all of Polynesia nor do our cultural traditions/practices and shouldn’t be referred to as “Polynesian”. There are many similarities between our cultures such as our mythologies, languages, and even our struggles, but to group all Polynesians under one umbrella to me takes away from the beauty and uniqueness of our intricate cultures. I think it would be incredible for future videos surrounding Polynesian cultures if there were clearer distinctions of which place you got the stories from, so that these places can enjoy the respect and appreciation they also deserve. Other than that really small detail, I’m so impressed by these videos, mahalo nui loa!
P.S. - Sounds for the vowels applies to the entire Hawaiian language & never changes. If you can remember the pronunciation of the vowels, the rest becomes a little easier😊. I encourage anyone who would like to learn ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi to give it a fair chance if you have the time. E ola Ka ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi!
- A: AH
- E: EH
- I: E
- O: O
- U: OOH
Polynesia has such a variety of similarities and differences in each island of Polynesia with their legends. New Zealand, Samoa, Hawai'i, Tonga, Easter Island, Tahiti etc.
It’s crazy to me how they’re all under the Polynesian umbrella, yet in completely different places. I was born in nz and I remember when Hawaii was brought up for the first time I was like uhhh why are they saying all these things when it’s the Maori’s (something along those lines) and then I was informed about how all of these different places all come under the Polynesian umbrella
@@BeInDeny IKR people don’t realise that like the Movie Moana. Polynesians voyaged from Island to island in real life. The islands today are filled with their descendants. Hawaiians, Samoans, Māori, Tongans, Cook Islanders etc.
Would you consider them as native Americans? Since Hawaii is known as a state in the US
@@beminae1603 they’re not counted as Native Americans
@@beminae1603 I think they’d be Polynesian 🧐
The weird mythology of Jon’s facial hair.....
🤣🤣🤣
Yes-
Haha🤣🤣🤣🤣
The messed up origins...
Is neither weird nor a mythology.
SEVENTH
Clean shaved Jon: Jon Solo
Facial hair Jon: Davy Jones
@Crystal Wolf I wanted to, but I wasn't sure people would get the word play.
I've seen people get confused over simpler.
Disney: *Makes Child Friendly Movies*
Jon Solo: *Imme Ruin These People's Whole Career.*
@that blonde babe The real story yes
But the fiction is more- innocent-
@that blonde babe True but kids would EVENTUALLY find out about those dark, twisted, and inappropriate stories. So they had to change it.
@that blonde babe Well you ARE 100% CORRECT. But luckily some people don't know about this shit, and turns out Disney actually just wanted to make things more clean and child friendly but I actually do agree with you Disney is *gross*
@that blonde babe Right again... Also nice talking to you to. Have a swell day!
No one cares dude they just want to rep other things in a way a child can perceive them
"He was enchanted by her beauty-"
Me: "Sweet home Alabama"
As a Polynesian woman, i love how you explained the myths of my culture. I love your videos period
Same. He explained it well
He did it well, coming from a mouri
Oh ok.
Idk why, but this comment feels passive aggressive
“It’ll get to a point where I think it’s either annoying or ugly and I’ll shave it off” or if he gets a dollar shave club sponsorship
Once you try their butt wipes you'll never go back 😁
Lol
.....
👁👄👁
*Honestly, there are so many myths in Moana that soon, the movie will become a myth.*
Most fairy tales were originally “horror stories” or “stories of caution”. It’s Disney that changed them to fantastical family oriented feature presentations.
The fact that you got most of these Polynesian legends correct and you said they’re names relatively correct is amazing ! I’m from Hawai’i and I’m a Native Hawaiian and I really enjoyed this video !
Me: Hey Jon’s growing out his beard
Jon: And yes, I’m growing a beard
"Spawning humans"
*Minecraft obsession intensifies*
Holy SHET 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
This whole series should be a show on HBO
Lol imagine what we could do with a budget like that...
Jon Solo holy crap he replied! Sound the horns alert the village people this is huge!
Can you do something with African gods and goddesses... OSHUN to be exact!!! Btw love your channel ❤️❤️
I'm surprised Disney has not yet
No h in Osun ma'am
@@schoolboy540 what are you talking about ? Where’s your source ?
YAAASSSS‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Oshun (spelled various ways, but yes Oshun is a correct spelling they weren't wrong) is an Orisha, one of the African river goddesses, currently being given a large role in the show American Gods (which of course is not their origin just one of the most recent references drawing light to more cultures' beliefs and drawing our attention to them assuming we hadn't learned of them previously). I'd also love to see the actual origin story/stories!
Example 1: "Papa took it upon herself to name the baby Haloa, which means “eternal breath”, and then buried it facing the rising sun in the east, then from the spot he was buried sprouted the taro plant, which was very important to Hawaiian diets back in the day."
Example 2: "Moana’s spirit was then transformed and from the spot she was buried sprouted the Oli’a Lehua, which is one of Hawaii’s most sacred trees."
The two above myths are similar to other rebirth and vegetation myths from around the world. I study comparative mythology, so this kind of interests me. I'll give a few examples. In Irish mythology, Miach was killed and his dead body was reborn as 365 herbs. In another Irish myth, the lovers Naoise and Deirdre died and were reborn as pine trees. In Algonquin Native American mythology, the god Chakekenapok was killed and then reborn as grapevines. In Penobscot Native American mythology, the character Corn Goddess was killed and then she was reborn as corn. The Phrygian god Attis hung/died on a pine tree. In the Shinto religion of Japan, the goddess Ogetsu-no-hime died and from her dead body came rice, wheat, soy beans, red beans, and millet. In Babylonian mythology, after the goddess Tiamat is killed by the supreme god Marduk, her body becomes the earth (as well as the sky). In Norse mythology, after Ymir is killed by Odin and his brothers, his body becomes the animistic source of the earth. In the Christian religion, Jesus dies on a cross, which is a symbolic tree.
Is it just me or does Jon's voice and sarcasm make the video easier to learn and more interesting
I think my favorite aspect of this story was the call back to Greek myths in that the world begun by union between the Earth and Sky. So many creation myths begin this way across the board and it makes me wonder where and in what culture the creation myth or story could be considered the oldest known mention of the world starting this way.
My ohana is from the Hawaiian islands. My name is Hawaiian, and I grew up with the culture. I loved how much research and respect you put into this. Even if you didn’t pronounce it right I could still tell that you were trying. Mahalo 🌺✨💕
Fun fact these gods are actually from maori mythology...
Why do I feel like if Jon ever has a kid, and his wife is in labor, he’d be like, “you know, according to ancient Hawaiian traditions...”
As a Hawaiian/Polynesian
Im so glad you get a handful Polynesian words correctly, many dont get words, history, myths etc wrong.
In New Zealand/ Aotearoa the gods of the sky and earth are know as the earth mother Papatuanuku and the sky father Ranginui but this is so cool to learn about the beliefs of my other Polynesia whanau and see the similarities to other cultures myths and legends thank you so much Jon for always teaching us something new 😊
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How celebrities name their kids
As a Hawaiian I love learning more about my culture and this was just amazing, and the mispronunciation is ok it’s better than what most people try!
I think that the Moana of the movie was the reincarnated sea goddess. After being dead about a thousand years, she had found it in her heart to forgive Maui and wanted to restore Tefiti's heart. When she made her request via the goddess of the underworld, the other goddesses and gods thought Who better to look Taka in the face and say "don't let yourself be defined by the wrongs done to you" than someone who has risen above the wrongs done to her? Of course, Moana would have to do it as a human, she would not have the memories of her previous life and there would be limits to how much help the gods could give her, but she was OK with that and they had already found the perfect teacher in Tala. Tala had earned her ability to commune with the sea, either she learned it or the sea goddess Namaka had given her the ability, she had chosen the boat Moana would use because it was small enough for one person to handle and was strong enough to take the beating it would be subjected to. When Tala died, the gods repaid her for getting Moana ready be making her into a young, powerful manta ray and telling all of the sea creature to treat her with great respect.
Just got finished school perfect timing
Gunther is ADORABLE
I love hearing jon shot first
Am I the first one here? For the first time?! And ooo beard looks good man keep it goin
How you gonna lie to him like that? He looks like Papa Smurf
@@mumsy5284 🤭
YESS!!!
@@mumsy5284 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but papa smurf looks great with a beard
@@mumsy5284 what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Street Fighter and DragonBall
Yeah original fairy tales were nothing nice that is until they became Disneyfied.
Which is why I've always hated Disney, starting at age 4.
Hi ju er kul
I love how Jon Solo puts the explanation in sections for every video. Helps me under stand better.
I always Loved Pele, her tales always got me to love where I am from. and all the Hawaiian Legends I love, and hearing the Ploy versions is awesome as well.
My level of happiness when he posts is crazy
Wasn't expecting the twists and turns, but enjoyed the content as usual. The facial is pretty dope actually. You should keep it bro.
Beard is a bold statement Captain Jack
No You! 👊😠☝
@@Kingsofthenorth1SKOL calm down please. 😂🤣
@@juliemesser2053 no.....you.....
Disney: *makes movies
Jon: I'm gonna ruin their entire career
Petition for Jon to explain each and every one of Zues's lovers
Every. Single. One.
Okey,just hang on for 50 years and then we can watch it.
How many are there?
@@Fairywithabunker Well.... For perspective, let's put it like this.... Let's say that if you compiled all of Greek mythology as is into one book that it would be bigger than the size of all 3 LOTR books. Now let's remove everything involving Zeus sticking his dick in anything and what comes from it and you'd have something maybe a couple hundred pages at best
@@majoratwili7312 woah! How much free time does Zeus has?
@@Fairywithabunker a couple hundred
One thing: those apostrophe-like characters in Hawaiian are called 'okina and pronounced like the throat catch in uh-oh.
I'd like to say THANK YOU for the wounderful content ☺️ and I'm glad to be apart of the solo fam
I started jumping as soon as I saw the notification .My excitement for this channel is crazy ❤️
you are honestly doing a great job with the pronunciations, you can can tell the time and effort you put in! funny enough, Polynesian (at least in Hawaiian) pronunciation is a lot easier and consistent, compared to Greek for instance, what makes it difficult to is how long the names can be.
all the vowels make the same sound consistently:
a = ah
i = ee
e = eh
o = oh
u = oo
I have always been drawn to the European Gods/Mythology.
However I have always felt at peace whenever I am in or near the ocean, so because of that Moana is my second favorite Disney movie, just under Tarzan. Your videos have me pushing the Greek Gods aside and find the Polynesian Gods/Mythology more intriguing.
One thing I question I have, about Moana... I know Disney had a huge group of Polynesian advisors, so I wonder why Disney created fictional Polynesian Gods, instead of using the real mythology.
I truly commend you for your hard work and I literally applaud you for these videos.
Similarities to the Moon Goddess Myth of the Book of Giants, specifically The Lost Book of King Og, where the prophesied savior of the Giants, King Og’s daughter (the last living female Giant) has a still birth, condemning the Giants to extinction, just as The Flood waters rise about the warring Giants
Jon solo looks older he seems so hansome and I did the on purpose because of Han Solo
This is going to be Lit!!! Im sooo Happy to be apart of the Solo Fam😭👍🏾👍🏾❤
Maybe the fire goddess did something that her mother disliked causing her to take control over her daughter and taking her heart is the only thing that releases her daughter.
Oh I absolutely LOVE this! Moana is my fav, and I'm really into archetypes and mythology so I just watched it in awe! Defo a new fan here...I'll have to go binge your other content. Thank you 😊
So far my favorite Polynesian goddess is Namaka! Thank you for all that info! I can’t wait for more Norse Mythology!! It will really help my novel research. 🥰
perfect timing, just sat down to work on some artwork and tune in to some Messed Up Origins :D
Me: *heading to the comments to type “first”*
Also me: *seeing 7 other people type “first”*
Still me: sheesh, okay, i guess🥲
Eighth lol
Hey Jon,
I am new to your channel and I love your content. As much as I loved the movie Moana, a lot of people could only mention the inspiration for the movie only contains the islands of the Polynesians. However, there are inspiration that are based from the Micronesian Islands. For example, the Sleeping Lady is based on the Island of Kosrae, which is known for its name.
sleeping lady...te fiti.
Stoooop when he said “pretty young thang” that made my whole year
Was shocked to even know there was a messed up origins for Moana
Maui kills Moana.
Dang, that Disney can get dark!
My favorite deity is Papa.
So many myths from different cultures have so much in common, which is so cool. We all aren't really that different after all..
Papa = father
Tamatoa the goat😂 The beard looks Awsome
' He had to come up with a plan to secretly seduce here"
Me: Welcome to bible study we're all children of jesus
Da fuq?
KUMBAYAAAAA
Me be like: hi ya'll
Idk Monana had a messed up origin your series of these origins is very informing and amazing :)
Me: "Hm, he's funny let's subscribe because his content is amazing!"
Also me: *seeing I already subscribed*
"makes sense, I have good taste."
While your Ocean theory is interesting, I do have a version of my own. While love may have had something to do with it, duty may have also played a role since ocean creatures were dying as well. The reason they didn't return the heart themselves was they Didn't want to harm Tek-ka out of fear of retaliation for even a accidental injury
Love the look honestly. Shows his growth on me🥰
"Hello, i am the daughter of Papa!"
Me: Who's your daddy?
"No, Papa is my mom!"
Me: ....😶
11:54 its true, smite somewhat recently started adding polynesian deities and I was really excited about it just cus i watched this movie
Jon: One Day Maui The trickster god
Loki:Dude stop stealing my thunder
Moana reminds me more of Atlantis, rather than The Little Mermaid.
Both are Sea people
As a Polynesian I love how you respected our culture ❤️ a lot of people don’t know that moana isn’t one Polynesian country it’s actually a mix of all polynesian islands which is why it’s soooo special to us ❤️ moana means ocean in all polynesian languages ❤️ thank you for doing this❤️
I could be misremembering it, but in one version of the *Japanese* creation story I remember reading, after she and Izanagi hooked up, Izanami ended up giving birth to the Japanese islands; the story of Papa giving birth to the *Hawaiian* islands sounds pretty similar to that, as does the Polynesian belief of everything possessing mana to the Japanese belief of everything possessing a *Kami* . There's actually a *few* similarities between Japanese and Polynesian mythology, which honestly isn't surprising, considering that the Polynesians were such incredible sailors as to sail as far as the *Americas* ; and considering that Japan's much *closer* to most Polynesian islands than the Americas, I honestly think it entirely *possible* that Polynesians visited Japan, and vice-versa. I even remember reading someone's comment on a *different* video on Polynesian cultures that the King of Hawaii actually *met* with the emperor of Japan to try to convince Japan to help *protect* Hawaii's status as an independent country before the Bayonet Constitution wound up being signed, and Hawaii ended up becoming a mere *American state* . Want proof that America *is* an empire, look no further than Hawaii.
PS: Despite developing on the complete *opposite* side of the Eurasian landmass, in a mostly different *climate* , Japanese culture and mythology *also* has a lot of similarities to *Norse* culture and Mythology, which *definitely* explains why Japanese media *loves* referencing Norse mythology even in pieces that're in *no other* way connected to it; Bayonetta for instance, has challenge portals called Alfheim portals, the main antagonist of the *first* game is a figure named Father Baldur, etc, even though the first and second games have Judeo-Christian-Islamic influence in their themes, and otherwise have *no* connection to Norse mythology.
This is so interesting because i am a Pacific Islander and it was so cool to see a modern movie be mixed with my culture’s beliefs. Thank you Jon
I don't mind jon's facial hair and he looks honestly mature to me.
No You!! 😠☝👊
@@Kingsofthenorth1SKOL Do you mean Not instead of No?
@@momowoods2859 😆 😂
@@Kingsofthenorth1SKOL I can't tell are you being serious or joking? [Just asking.]
@@momowoods2859 No you......
You kinda look like a dad tho with the beard 😂
He is a dad...Gunther 🐶 is his kid lol 😂
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@@leilanilamour5173 what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Puppy in my pocket adventures in Pocketville or My Little Pony Friendship is Magic
Daddy*
i was watching moana yesterday after finals! notice 0 dislikes? as it should 😌
😂😂 I'm Polynesian (not gonna say which one I represent) , your pronunciation are so off, but I give you props bro. 💯 love your videos!! keep it coming.
The part of that legend where the goddess would appear to reproduce her bloodline and come back every 100 years or so put me in mind of the mother gothel in Tangled just a wee bit, still I enjoyed the hell out of this vid
Would be interesting to see a short vid about all of the many myths and how they correlate
I’m excited for the Moana series, there’s so much they can do and so much potential for new characters! I loved the movie but our character cast really was only limited to Moana, Maui and like.. the ocean.
When you know that you were one of those babies. 0:39
That one moment when your so early that you don't have anything fun- Yeah I'm not doing that. It's a little annoying ngl. I hope of you all have a wonderful day!
Thank you
@@olly2027 Your Welcome!
@@Help_Im_On_Fire what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Trevor Henderson or SCP foundation
@@olly2027 what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Peppa Pig
@@tijanamilenkovic3425 I haven't seen those videos yet and I don't know if I will any time soon.
i agree completely disney could and should take this in a direction that shares more of the hawaiian culture and gods. i was born and raised in the islands and i respect all the research you have done for this video. although we now view these stories as folklore, these stories were regarded as history and carry lessons that the ancient hawaiians have learned and passed on to future generations. thank you for sharing 💕🤙🏽
"Tis the circle of LIFE."
I love it!... & your sense of humor 😆
I’m glad to see you beat the Coronavirus. Stay strong Jon 💪🏽
Speaking of the 'Ōhi'a Lehua, I would like to bring attention to the fact that it's being threatened by a type of fungus.
"Her full name is...that"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You should have pronounced it
Jonathan Taylor Thomas need to come to Rhode Island comic con this year.
4:33 =Egyptian example: Geb and Nut... That picture still weirded me out upon seeing the sky with a long phallic object pointed below a smaller woman looking up in an encyclopedia section dedicated to mythology...
As a half Samoan, thank you for making these videos🤍. I love the mythology and I don’t get to hear many stories anymore since I don’t live in Samoa🤍 fa’afetai Jon (thank you) 🤍🤝
Okay, when tf have I ever been this damn early to a vid...
Same
@@light2528 what do you think about The Messed Up Origins of Pokemon or Digimon
@@tijanamilenkovic3425 idk
Haha. My son sings the Shiny song at least once a day.
😂😂😂😂
Your videos are great because they are so raw honest. And you speak so well about it when you research them . (Smart!)
Don't you love it when your early enough not to be able to see the comments 👀
If Disney made more characters about the Hawaii goods they would have to make them pg 13 to tone it down enough to actually tell their stories and not make them as disrespectful as moan was to the Hawaiian people. Because they first said it was a Hawaii story then they changed it to a Polynesian story because they took different aspects from each but mostly Samoa
Probably the most disrespectful thing in the entire movie is that Maui looks.... big. In the myths, he wasn't an obese demi god.
They couldn’t call it just a Hawaiian story because it’s not
@@rachaelgia9667 exactly
samoan, maori, cookisland not just hawaii
Aina, it’s pronounced like ī-nah. You’re doing really well trying though. Like you’ve nailed some of the words perfectly. I can def appreciate that.
Interesting. In Norway we also have the name Aina. Pronounced the same way you describe here.
@@MissCaraMint ohh neat. Ours means “land” basically. But it’s very important to the Hawaiian people to Malama or “take care” of the aina. What does yours mean?
Please do more pacific islander mythology! Polynesian, Micronesian, etc.
When he said “that had to hurt huh?” I started DYING. I love this dude lmao
I've never been this early to one of his video😭😭😭