Hotovely mentions Clause 7A of the Basic Knesset Law; silly, since there's several Jewish members of the Knesset guilty of section 3 of that clause, "incitement to racism"
@IamInfidel I could not agree more This is nuts!! Can you imagine what would happen if we had traitors like that filthy arab, in the Canadian parliament?! We'd never stand for it. Why should Israel?
Hotovely debated like an adult and acts how a lady should supposed to be in politics. She knows her stuf. And the Mossad should raid Zuabi's home someday...
I don't know much about Israeli politics, but ... if anyone, ANYONE opposes the State of Israel and its democratic values in favour of violence, even terrorism against it: Not out of parliament only, but deportation to Jordan-Palestine should be considered!
Can you tell me what line in Ketubot 11b and what translation you are using. Because I checked in the Artscrool and Koren Talmud Bavli as well as the Bavli posted on Halakhah (dot) com The closest thing I found to what you said was in Ketubot 11b lines 5-9 which state that if a grown man had sex with a minor girl or a minor boy had sex with a grown women, or if a girl broke her hymen by accident, they are still considered virgins in accordance to their Ketubot price. Please clarify.
I responced to all your questions in the first post. You can PM like I said if you want cause it gives us more space and you to see the sources your self, But you said you have looked in the text so if you can provided me with the editions/publishers you are using it might make our conversion flow easier cause it sounds like we are reading different things. Im using the Koren Bavli, Schottenstein Edition Bavli and the Soncino edition thats online at Halakha (dot) com Peace and Blessings.
I told you the bases of Ben Gurions argument was the Torah. He took a copy of the Torah to the U.N. Even he a totally secular Jew, who made MANY problems for my nation still recognized that the Torah is what will and does give us connection to the land.
What is your point? I do not get what you are arguing about? The land is OUR LAND. We have the Torah and we the religious and nationalistic are growing and will take over B"H.
... Those were Religious Jews and also a Rabbi actually (in the case of Rishon Letzion). Also see the Sefardim who almost ALL came for religious reasons.
I indeed check the links thats why I wrote the message if you your self have picked up a volume of either of the Talmud's before to check for your self. Im surprised you have since your conclusions are inconstant with that the Gemora says. Take for example Ketuvot 11b can you tell me why you think that permits paedophilia and is not talking about the ramification's to a dowry if a girl was raped at a young age? Since this is the context of the passage "Ketuvot" = "Marriage contract" . PM me.
She is a poster girl for Hamas terrorism and undermining Israel. She should be ousted from the Knesset as a traitor to Israel, which she wishes to destroy from within. A Trojan Horse who sees Israeli soldiers as her enemy
Who said anything against technology and advancements? It is the progress of the world and not of certain people only. Our sages always recognized and used the advancements of the world. Soo what? The first to arrive and the majority to arrive to Eretz Yisrael were Religious Torah observant Jews. 80% that came to Israel were religious. Also it wasn't only the Jews who came to Israel but many Jews throughout the world that helped and help make Israel what it is.
@penkallli-what do you know about south africa? As a native South African I can tell you that your statement makes no sense because: 1) The Afrikaaners invaded a sovereign state whereby the majority were already in rule (albeit in a country with distinct partitions) governed by tribal leaders. The Israelis did not invade a sovereign state. 2) Every person, both Israeli and "Palestinian" who works with "so called terrorists" should be restricted and excluded. Go back to Jordan! Your homeland
If you do nor know that Rishon Lizion is a major city then you do not know Israel, NOT at all. RL is not a "settlement" it is a major city today and was back then as well. Literally meaning "first to Zion". Also even from beforehand major cities such as Jerusalem the capital and Hevron and Tzfat always were inhabited by Jews.80% of Jews who came to Israel were religious. 80%. Also not it is always mostly the religious who are enthusiastic about coming and living in Israel........
You are looking at things from a very narrow mindset and learned history also from a narrow point of view. Go check who established the first modern day settlements of the land of Israel. Check who they were, what they believed etc. Many of them were Rabbis and their communities. For example check who established Rishon Litzion or Petah Tikva. Read their history see what they believed and their motivations.
Sorry I have no intention to lie, that's a sin in my faith. With all due respect my friend, Im going to go out on a limb here and say you never actually looked up any of those sources your self. Tell me if Im wrong. If you want to know what the Talmud's actually say message me and I can provide you with the entire context and text of any source in either of the Talmuds. I dont want to push any information on you if you don't want, Let me know. Shalom w'Brakha/Peace and Blessings.
..... Also what did Ben Gurion bring to the U.N. when asking for a state? It was a copy of the Torah. Go google it if you like. That is what happened. Even he a secular Jew understood that our only claim to the land is with the Torah. If not then why Israel of all places? Why not Uganda?
@penkallli That is true of every religion. But even Mohammad originally respected the Jews and only once he got out of line and punished did he get angry and began preaching against the Jews. (Actually, exactly the same happened with JC.)
@penkallli The Jews didn't write the Bible - G-d did. Even the Christians believe that. Anyway, you didn't reply to me with anything even slightly connected to what I wrote so I can't argue with you like a normal person.
mike58greenberg She was just elected President of the Arab faction in Hell......but she has about 100 million like minded folk vying for this sought after position.
@sean85live 1. Get your facts straight! Anders Breivik was not a Christian at all. Read the 1400+ pages of his manifesto on the web: " ..not religious, has doubts about God's existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe's "Christian culture" as well as his own pagan Nordic culture....As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings ...
Shalom Aleikhem/ Peace on you. Neither of the Talmud's say anything about your messiah. The Talmud's say many things about many people named Mary. The Talmuds say paedophilia is a sin. The Talmud's say what the Torah says, theft is a capital offence. The Talmud's say lwhat the Torah says, lying it is a sin. The Talmud's say what the Torah says, we may kill both jew or gentile if our life is in danger or if its in accordence with violation of a commandment of The Almighty, blessed be "He".
@sean85live One more thing. If I were to see Christians acting in the way I just described Muslims, I would have the same words for them. And if I saw Muslims acting in ways I respect, I would be behind them as well. Unfortunately it is estimated that at least 10 percent of Muslims share a belief of intolerance. (That's 150,000,000 Muslims.) But I just wen way off topic and have no interest in returning to the issue of "Islam: good or bad".
@sean85live a1. Since when do refugee camps have 'shopping malls, villas for the rich etc.'? All propaganda? Gee! In the other countries the Palis were 'delibarately kept' in 'camplike conditions' , instead of throwing some (oil) money in at least taking care of sewege a.o. hygienical measures. All to let the UN sse how 'deplorable'their situation still is. The Goldstone report (to HRC in Geneva, Sept. 29, 2009)accepted that white phosphorus is not illegal
I understand how the term refugee camps in terms of Palestinians is misnomer, it’s not a camp or tent city. It’s a residential area of people who are either refugees or descendants of refugees of 1948 war! Lebanon doesn’t help those Palestinians who live in Lebanon. While Jordan naturalized them, and Syria have right to reside and work freely. But Lebanon is hostile because militant Palestinian refugees waged war against Lebanese Christians nationalist forces and caused a bloody Civil war. The hostility still lingers!
תודה לחנין זועבי את ממלאת את תפקידך נפלא . כן ירבו אויבים כמוך. ככה נוכל יותר מהר לנפנף אתכם מקרבינו. וכן תודה לבוס שלך בקטאר שעושה את עבודתו נאמנה כדי שמוסלמים יחסלו מוסלמים . תודה בל"ד!
@sean85live right...I didn't say it was actual fact,, I said it wasn't a conspiracy theory: IT IS outright propaganda. Sorry Muslim, twisting my words won't score you any points here. Your not among your brethren anymore. Not everything you say will be accepted because you said it. Epic Fail for the Muslim sean85live!
@sean85live 2. ... sure Allah is pleased with him: Because why otherwise always the 'wish' PBUH= (May) Peace be upon him? And how about you? Are your prophet and god pleased with you, sticking up for extremist Muslims that consider Jews, Christians and other 'kafirs' only good enough to live as 'dhimmis' under sharia law? No, mate! I'm a Christian that knows my brothers/sisters in faith have to suffer. I'm proud of them, because my Lord gives them strenght not to hate. But 'inviting/welcoming'
@sean85live Heh...Islam isn't a race. Nice try Muslim! Arabs are a race, Jews are a race, Caucasians are a race, blacks are a race, but Islam is a religion. You won't see people practicing (the practically non-existent) Islamophobia on a non-practicing Muslim (in other words: on a secular or Christian Arab)
@sean85live 3. suffering by ANYONE? No way! Hence I regard baseless accusations against us Christians and my Jewish/israeli 'elderly' brothers and sisters not as an invitation to 'voluntarily lay down as a doormat for anyone to wipe his unholy feet with'! Am Yisrael Chai! Lang leve Holland!
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Hannen Zoaibi is very brave and noble woman.She is an inspiration for women all over the world.
I prefer Tzipi Hotovely!!! Unlike Zoabi, she is not an "ally" of Hamas!!
Brilliant. Very brave woman.
Hotovely mentions Clause 7A of the Basic Knesset Law; silly, since there's several Jewish members of the Knesset guilty of section 3 of that clause, "incitement to racism"
@IamInfidel
I could not agree more This is nuts!! Can you imagine what would happen if we had traitors like that filthy arab, in the Canadian parliament?! We'd never stand for it. Why should Israel?
Hotovely debated like an adult and acts how a lady should supposed to be in politics. She knows her stuf. And the Mossad should raid Zuabi's home someday...
I don't know much about Israeli politics, but ... if anyone, ANYONE opposes the State of Israel and its democratic values in favour of violence, even terrorism against it: Not out of parliament only, but deportation to Jordan-Palestine should be considered!
Can you tell me what line in Ketubot 11b and what translation you are using. Because I checked in the Artscrool and Koren Talmud Bavli as well as the Bavli posted on Halakhah (dot) com
The closest thing I found to what you said was in Ketubot 11b lines 5-9 which state that if a grown man had sex with a minor girl or a minor boy had sex with a grown women, or if a girl broke her hymen by accident, they are still considered virgins in accordance to their Ketubot price.
Please clarify.
Sigh...she is a strong woman, very strong, but even the greatest of strengths have limits sometimes.
I responced to all your questions in the first post.
You can PM like I said if you want cause it gives us more space and you to see the sources your self,
But you said you have looked in the text so if you can provided me with the editions/publishers you are using it might make our conversion flow easier cause it sounds like we are reading different things.
Im using the Koren Bavli, Schottenstein Edition Bavli and the Soncino edition thats online at Halakha (dot) com
Peace and Blessings.
@IshYehudi613 Do I really? there i was thinking i live in West Bank, or was it the Gaza strip?
I told you the bases of Ben Gurions argument was the Torah. He took a copy of the Torah to the U.N. Even he a totally secular Jew, who made MANY problems for my nation still recognized that the Torah is what will and does give us connection to the land.
What is your point? I do not get what you are arguing about? The land is OUR LAND. We have the Torah and we the religious and nationalistic are growing and will take over B"H.
... Those were Religious Jews and also a Rabbi actually (in the case of Rishon Letzion). Also see the Sefardim who almost ALL came for religious reasons.
I indeed check the links thats why I wrote the message if you your self have picked up a volume of either of the Talmud's before to check for your self.
Im surprised you have since your conclusions are inconstant with that the Gemora says.
Take for example Ketuvot 11b can you tell me why you think that permits paedophilia and is not talking about the ramification's to a dowry if a girl was raped at a young age?
Since this is the context of the passage "Ketuvot" = "Marriage contract" .
PM me.
I wonder if this arab and the leftists who support her felt about "democracy" when Rav Kahane was banned?
Zoabi is such a badass, I like her :)
Daughter of Judea
its called *The West Bank, idiot.
Haneen Zoabi is my BFF! hahaha
She is indeed a strong woman...and very passionate in her views.
кто победил то хоть?
Красивая женщина Зуаби)
Zuabi thanks to keep the dignity of Humans
She is a poster girl for Hamas terrorism and undermining Israel. She should be ousted from the Knesset as a traitor to Israel, which she wishes to destroy from within. A Trojan Horse who sees Israeli soldiers as her enemy
Who said anything against technology and advancements? It is the progress of the world and not of certain people only. Our sages always recognized and used the advancements of the world. Soo what?
The first to arrive and the majority to arrive to Eretz Yisrael were Religious Torah observant Jews. 80% that came to Israel were religious. Also it wasn't only the Jews who came to Israel but many Jews throughout the world that helped and help make Israel what it is.
@penkallli-what do you know about south africa?
As a native South African I can tell you that your statement makes no sense because:
1) The Afrikaaners invaded a sovereign state whereby the majority were already in rule (albeit in a country with distinct partitions) governed by tribal leaders. The Israelis did not invade a sovereign state.
2) Every person, both Israeli and "Palestinian" who works with "so called terrorists" should be restricted and excluded.
Go back to Jordan! Your homeland
If you do nor know that Rishon Lizion is a major city then you do not know Israel, NOT at all. RL is not a "settlement" it is a major city today and was back then as well. Literally meaning "first to Zion". Also even from beforehand major cities such as Jerusalem the capital and Hevron and Tzfat always were inhabited by Jews.80% of Jews who came to Israel were religious. 80%. Also not it is always mostly the religious who are enthusiastic about coming and living in Israel........
You are looking at things from a very narrow mindset and learned history also from a narrow point of view. Go check who established the first modern day settlements of the land of Israel. Check who they were, what they believed etc. Many of them were Rabbis and their communities. For example check who established Rishon Litzion or Petah Tikva. Read their history see what they believed and their motivations.
Sorry I have no intention to lie, that's a sin in my faith.
With all due respect my friend, Im going to go out on a limb here and say you never actually looked up any of those sources your self. Tell me if Im wrong.
If you want to know what the Talmud's actually say message me and I can provide you with the entire context and text of any source in either of the Talmuds.
I dont want to push any information on you if you don't want,
Let me know.
Shalom w'Brakha/Peace and Blessings.
..... Also what did Ben Gurion bring to the U.N. when asking for a state? It was a copy of the Torah. Go google it if you like. That is what happened. Even he a secular Jew understood that our only claim to the land is with the Torah. If not then why Israel of all places? Why not Uganda?
@penkallli That is true of every religion. But even Mohammad originally respected the Jews and only once he got out of line and punished did he get angry and began preaching against the Jews. (Actually, exactly the same happened with JC.)
Why do I need to answer anything to you? To answer you simply the Talmudh is against all of them.
@penkallli The Jews didn't write the Bible - G-d did. Even the Christians believe that. Anyway, you didn't reply to me with anything even slightly connected to what I wrote so I can't argue with you like a normal person.
Zoabi for president!
mike58greenberg She was just elected President of the Arab faction in Hell......but she has about 100 million like minded folk vying for this sought after position.
" The majority of Israelis are right wing" which makes me like Israel. :)
@sean85live 1. Get your facts straight! Anders Breivik was not a Christian at all. Read the 1400+ pages of his manifesto on the web: " ..not religious, has doubts about God's existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe's "Christian culture" as well as his own pagan Nordic culture....As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings ...
Shalom Aleikhem/ Peace on you.
Neither of the Talmud's say anything about your messiah.
The Talmud's say many things about many people named Mary.
The Talmuds say paedophilia is a sin.
The Talmud's say what the Torah says, theft is a capital offence.
The Talmud's say lwhat the Torah says, lying it is a sin.
The Talmud's say what the Torah says, we may kill both jew or gentile if our life is in danger or if its in accordence with violation of a commandment of The Almighty, blessed be "He".
this is kind of hot...
@extazy17 Actually...Sean lives in the UK. Gorgeous place isn't it? Ripe with acceptance of everyone: Extremist Muslim and Jew haters alike.
God, she is SO much more intelligent than that cheerleader... although I do not like the way she kept interrupting...
@sean85live One more thing. If I were to see Christians acting in the way I just described Muslims, I would have the same words for them.
And if I saw Muslims acting in ways I respect, I would be behind them as well.
Unfortunately it is estimated that at least 10 percent of Muslims share a belief of intolerance. (That's 150,000,000 Muslims.)
But I just wen way off topic and have no interest in returning to the issue of "Islam: good or bad".
@sean85live a1. Since when do refugee camps have 'shopping malls, villas for the rich etc.'? All propaganda? Gee! In the other countries the Palis were 'delibarately kept' in 'camplike conditions' , instead of throwing some (oil) money in at least taking care of sewege a.o. hygienical measures. All to let the UN sse how 'deplorable'their situation still is.
The Goldstone report (to HRC in Geneva, Sept. 29, 2009)accepted that white phosphorus is not illegal
I understand how the term refugee camps in terms of Palestinians is misnomer, it’s not a camp or tent city. It’s a residential area of people who are either refugees or descendants of refugees of 1948 war! Lebanon doesn’t help those Palestinians who live in Lebanon. While Jordan naturalized them, and Syria have right to reside and work freely. But Lebanon is hostile because militant Palestinian refugees waged war against Lebanese Christians nationalist forces and caused a bloody Civil war. The hostility still lingers!
תודה לחנין זועבי את ממלאת את תפקידך נפלא . כן ירבו אויבים כמוך. ככה נוכל יותר מהר לנפנף אתכם מקרבינו. וכן תודה לבוס שלך בקטאר שעושה את עבודתו נאמנה כדי שמוסלמים יחסלו מוסלמים .
תודה בל"ד!
@sean85live right...I didn't say it was actual fact,, I said it wasn't a conspiracy theory: IT IS outright propaganda.
Sorry Muslim, twisting my words won't score you any points here. Your not among your brethren anymore. Not everything you say will be accepted because you said it.
Epic Fail for the Muslim sean85live!
@sean85live 2. ... sure Allah is pleased with him: Because why otherwise always the 'wish' PBUH= (May) Peace be upon him?
And how about you? Are your prophet and god pleased with you, sticking up for extremist Muslims that consider Jews, Christians and other 'kafirs' only good enough to live as 'dhimmis' under sharia law?
No, mate! I'm a Christian that knows my brothers/sisters in faith have to suffer. I'm proud of them, because my Lord gives them strenght not to hate. But 'inviting/welcoming'
על אפכם ועל חמתכם, היא חוזרת לכנסת. ובשם הדמוקרטיה היא שמה אותכם במקום הכי נמוך ועלוב.
חחחחח אכלתם אותה
@sean85live Heh...Islam isn't a race. Nice try Muslim! Arabs are a race, Jews are a race, Caucasians are a race, blacks are a race, but Islam is a religion. You won't see people practicing (the practically non-existent) Islamophobia on a non-practicing Muslim (in other words: on a secular or Christian Arab)
@sean85live 3. suffering by ANYONE? No way! Hence I regard baseless accusations against us Christians and my Jewish/israeli 'elderly' brothers and sisters not as an invitation to 'voluntarily lay down as a doormat for anyone to wipe his unholy feet with'!
Am Yisrael Chai!
Lang leve Holland!
god that zoabi is just like our democrats: shrill and completely shameless. And violent. And throws around words like 'racist.'
ציפי חוטובלי התותחית!