Just as a heads up, our schedule over the next few weeks will be a little bit inconsistent. Between school and other responsibilities, our recording times have been a bit more limited than normal. Our goal is to release a video every 10 days or so, and hopefully, we will be back to weekly games soon!
Hello! As an occasional Mairsil player I have to point out that there was a mistake in 17:57. If you have Mirror-Mad Phantasm caged under Mairsil and you would use it's ability, you will actually put all cards from your library (including shuffled Mairsil) into your graveyard, because the ability you used actually reads "1U: Mairsil the Pretender's owner shuffles it into his or her library. If that player does, he or she reveals cards from the top of that library until a card named MIRROR-MAD PHANTASM is revealed. The player puts that card onto the battlefield and all other cards revealed this way into his or her graveyard.", because the rules about replacing names in abilities only refer to self-referential ones like the first instance of the Phantasm in that ability - if you see 'cards named' or something like that, that's not changed. Since Mairsil doesn't gain caged card's name and the only copy of MMP is in exile, there's nothing to be found, so it will cause to reveal whole library and all cards revealed (which are not MMP) must be put into graveyard. Anyway, I really enjoyed your games!
@@ethanwiggen3567 I think the same, although I analised this situation and concluded that (depending on the build ofc) there would be a way to win even with casting only one spell limit. EDIT. I checked the decklist and with the lack of Dread Return that was not an option 😉
Glad you're enjoying the videos! If you ever get the itch to play for yourself, most if not all cEDH / EDH Discords allow proxies to be used. Printing out quality proxies can be really cheap and can at least get you started
Mairsil + Mirror-Mad Phantasm interaction was played incorrectly at 17:50. You flip cards until you reveal one named "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" not whatever you shuffled in with the ability. Because you only have one copy of MMP and it's in exile, you reveal your whole deck and it goes to the grave. Bill should have had no cards left in library, with Mairsil either ending up in command zone or graveyard.
@@magerehenk7579 Not quite. Whenever a card refers to itself by name, you treat it as though it says "this creature". But Mirror-Mad Phantasm doesn't refer to itself by name. It refers to "a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm". Here are the Gatherer Ruilings: 9/22/2011 If no card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm is revealed (possibly because it was a card copying Mirror-Mad Phantasm or it was a token), all cards from that library will be put into their owner’s graveyard. 9/22/2011 If another creature (such as Necrotic Ooze) gains Mirror-Mad Phantasm’s activated ability, its owner reveals cards until they reveal a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm.
@@magerehenk7579 There is an explicit ruling on MMP that says you're always looking for a card NAMED "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" when you flip. From the card's rulings: "If another creature (such as Necrotic Ooze) gains Mirror-Mad Phantasm’s activated ability, its owner reveals cards until they reveal a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm."
Correct, Mairsil + Mirror-Mad Phantasm does in fact mill the entire library. Most people who play Mirror Mad in their Mairsil deck try to win with a Lab Maniac or Thassa’s Oracle since they end up with no cards in the library after the ability is activated... it’s a confusing rule, and it was played incorrectly in this game
As someone who's playgroup is pushing more and more into the semi-competitive realm, I really appreciate how you keep putting out enjoyable and interesting games! Helps me learn how to play better in this environment, so thank you for all the great content! :)
Joseph: "despite the decks being budget, they can still be fast and win as early as turn 3" Yes, though it helps to naturally draw into doomsday off one cantrip. I jest, I jest. Sick video, sick channel Mad love
3:50 Aftermath cards are called X//Y and pronounced “X to Y,” so you get names like “Cut to Ribbons, “Consign to Oblivion,” or in this case, “Driven to Despair.”
Who would have thought thassa consultation would win. Do you have a thassa consultation free season planned? Seemingly impossible I know but I'm sure it can be done and be fast paced and entertaining 😐
You can say "haha Thassa bad" but it takes so much less skill to pilot compared to the majority of the decks in the format. I think that's the main complaint with seeing it.
Stop saying Joseph. I cringe everytime. Just say me. We all know its you. Might as well just name the player Joe or something. Sorry to rant. Still love the gameplay.
predict > oracle > gush > petal > unearth or predict > lab maniac > gush > petal > unearth..but should have a card draw in hand like probe or opt to win
Thassa's Oracle has pretty much single-handedly ruined the fun of watching cEDH games. Not your fault you run it in pretty much all decks that support UB, it's cEDH after all and winning at all costs is within both the spirit and rules, but it's also not our fault for becoming bored with the format either. Blame the rules committee for not doing their job worth a shit.
I'm gonna get hate for this comment but idrc, you all realize they're playing "C" edh right? Why get upset when you see Thassa's oracle? Why would they not play the most popular win condition rn. Yes it's easy, yes it wins with a shit ton of cards but it seriously just shows how prepared you have to be in this format. If you know what's most likely gonna get played you need to play more interaction against it, angel's grace, counterspells, stifles, hushbringer, if you can remove the oracle then noxious revival something on top of the library. There's several ways to get around it but I understand interaction for it doesn't advance your own board state. People expecting cedh players not to play it is like expecting a sports team not to use their best player every game.
The games are becoming repetitive it’s just something something thassa a oracle/ lab man effect haha I win and sometimes I play godo and get infinite attack steps ok gg
This might have been just me paying attention for the first time to the non gameplay part of the video.. but Joseph your eyes are like stupid gorgeous and distracting 😅
@@yashaskedlaya7326 Did it change the outcome? Did it remove the trigger from the stack? Did it prevent Joseph from winning? If you answered no to these questions, what do you mean then? Do you understand sportsmanship or is that also lost?
I assumed it was intended as a bit of a joke, like saying “in response... I lose the game.” Giving then a fright and then they realise you actually don’t have anything, but I haven’t watched any of the live videos, so maybe I’m being too charitable
@@Giga-lemesh it was like that, more of a joke to hate on the Oracle at the end of the game. But in a normal game this could be a smart move. Since me, playing ghave had green, I might have had a noxious revival. Jordan with priority first could abrade the oracle and I could put something on top. But since we're all talking to each other during the game he knew I didnt have it. Just wanted to blow up the oracle since it won anyways. Doesnt hurt the game at all and he gets to blow stuff up which is always fun
Just as a heads up, our schedule over the next few weeks will be a little bit inconsistent. Between school and other responsibilities, our recording times have been a bit more limited than normal. Our goal is to release a video every 10 days or so, and hopefully, we will be back to weekly games soon!
Hey im a little curious if you've heard of an older card called word of command
hey joseph..what is your usual doomsday on your sygg deck
sacking the token to goblin engineer to fizzle drown in the loch was a serious big brain play, nicely done Jordan :)
Hello!
As an occasional Mairsil player I have to point out that there was a mistake in 17:57. If you have Mirror-Mad Phantasm caged under Mairsil and you would use it's ability, you will actually put all cards from your library (including shuffled Mairsil) into your graveyard, because the ability you used actually reads "1U: Mairsil the Pretender's owner shuffles it into his or her library. If that player does, he or she reveals cards from the top of that library until a card named MIRROR-MAD PHANTASM is revealed. The player puts that card onto the battlefield and all other cards revealed this way into his or her graveyard.", because the rules about replacing names in abilities only refer to self-referential ones like the first instance of the Phantasm in that ability - if you see 'cards named' or something like that, that's not changed. Since Mairsil doesn't gain caged card's name and the only copy of MMP is in exile, there's nothing to be found, so it will cause to reveal whole library and all cards revealed (which are not MMP) must be put into graveyard.
Anyway, I really enjoyed your games!
Exactly
I noticed the same thing, unfortunately with the stax pieces in play I don't think mairsil could have won, it would have been cool to see however.
@@ethanwiggen3567 I think the same, although I analised this situation and concluded that (depending on the build ofc) there would be a way to win even with casting only one spell limit.
EDIT. I checked the decklist and with the lack of Dread Return that was not an option 😉
Thanks I've been playing this wrong in Lazav for months
Stopping by the say I noticed this too.
The doomsday deck that drew it both games getting boiling sea'd and then thought scoured was hilariously poetic.
2:05 "Equip Godo and then Godo combat". So many Godo's in such a short amount of time 😂
Mirror-Mad Phantasm: *exists*
Joseph: "Mad Mirror Phantasm"
Loving all of these vids because cEDH is too expensive for me even at a budget
Glad you're enjoying the videos! If you ever get the itch to play for yourself, most if not all cEDH / EDH Discords allow proxies to be used. Printing out quality proxies can be really cheap and can at least get you started
And waaay to predictable. Having a budget restriction is nice to see what your creativity can come up with.
@@Porygonal agreed
@@copperthief9454 If you get proxies printed on the thinnest gloss paper a print shop has the quality will be neat.
1 - Get KO/proxy copies of Demonic Consultation and Thassa’s Oracle.
2 - ????
3 - Win cEDH games.
Mairsil + Mirror-Mad Phantasm interaction was played incorrectly at 17:50. You flip cards until you reveal one named "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" not whatever you shuffled in with the ability. Because you only have one copy of MMP and it's in exile, you reveal your whole deck and it goes to the grave. Bill should have had no cards left in library, with Mairsil either ending up in command zone or graveyard.
if a card or effect is copied, every instance of the card's name changes to the name of the new card.
@@magerehenk7579 Not quite. Whenever a card refers to itself by name, you treat it as though it says "this creature". But Mirror-Mad Phantasm doesn't refer to itself by name. It refers to "a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm".
Here are the Gatherer Ruilings:
9/22/2011 If no card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm is revealed (possibly because it was a card copying Mirror-Mad Phantasm or it was a token), all cards from that library will be put into their owner’s graveyard.
9/22/2011 If another creature (such as Necrotic Ooze) gains Mirror-Mad Phantasm’s activated ability, its owner reveals cards until they reveal a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm.
@@magerehenk7579 There is an explicit ruling on MMP that says you're always looking for a card NAMED "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" when you flip.
From the card's rulings:
"If another creature (such as Necrotic Ooze) gains Mirror-Mad Phantasm’s activated ability, its owner reveals cards until they reveal a card named Mirror-Mad Phantasm."
Correct, Mairsil + Mirror-Mad Phantasm does in fact mill the entire library. Most people who play Mirror Mad in their Mairsil deck try to win with a Lab Maniac or Thassa’s Oracle since they end up with no cards in the library after the ability is activated... it’s a confusing rule, and it was played incorrectly in this game
Yeah, that Mairsil player cheated.
As someone who's playgroup is pushing more and more into the semi-competitive realm, I really appreciate how you keep putting out enjoyable and interesting games! Helps me learn how to play better in this environment, so thank you for all the great content! :)
K'rrik on a $200 budget would still be absolutely nuckin' futs, still being capable of turn 2 wins.
Would really love an explainer on how you assess a deck's power level.
Joseph: "despite the decks being budget, they can still be fast and win as early as turn 3"
Yes, though it helps to naturally draw into doomsday off one cantrip.
I jest, I jest.
Sick video, sick channel
Mad love
That play at the end of the second game was an all timer
I really like this series, I would appreciate more of budget cEDH :)
The play with Goblin Engineer is awesome. Great thinking!
Great video! I always enjoy seeing a Mairsil deck being played.
Godo's last play was AWESOME. GGs guys.
3:50 Aftermath cards are called X//Y and pronounced “X to Y,” so you get names like “Cut to Ribbons, “Consign to Oblivion,” or in this case, “Driven to Despair.”
Nice play, Jordan, with that Drown
This game was siiiick!
I would love to see more of these videos! Even b-roll would be cool to see! Do you guys have anything like that in your twitch VODs?
That 1st game was awesome!
That was fun! Thanks 👍
Ghave gets another chance to shine.
I just made mairsil before this video. Excited to see how it compares to my own :)
I liked this season a lot. Certainly my prefered season.
Here to point out that the Ghave list is missing cards
I feel like budget has the potential to be really fast because so much of the best removal/interaction for CEDH is really expensive
Who would have thought thassa consultation would win. Do you have a thassa consultation free season planned? Seemingly impossible I know but I'm sure it can be done and be fast paced and entertaining 😐
He won thru doomsday oracle, not consultation
Unfortunately marisil does Not work with mirror mad phantasm.
17:35, Bill could have just... activated the ability again, rather than wasting a counterspell? =s
Nope, Mairsil's rules limit him to only one activation per turn
@@etienneement Oh yeah. Durr. Cheers.
You can say "haha Thassa bad" but it takes so much less skill to pilot compared to the majority of the decks in the format. I think that's the main complaint with seeing it.
Godo, fish, Godo, fish.
NO FUN
Look at that beautiful man giving us quality content uwu
Joseph looks like a HP double.
Mairsil is a dude. Just a heads up
Did you just assume Mairsil’s gender?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
Doomsday Sushi ❤️
"Mad Mirror"
Reading card names is hard yo.
Have you considered..... thasas oracle good? Also very pretty
Stop saying Joseph. I cringe everytime. Just say me. We all know its you. Might as well just name the player Joe or something. Sorry to rant. Still love the gameplay.
Hi! What 5 cards do you pick with doomsday?
predict > oracle > gush > petal > unearth
or
predict > lab maniac > gush > petal > unearth..but should have a card draw in hand like probe or opt to win
Came here for a sick game between ghave and mairsil... End up getting stax and doomsday oracle :/
Hey If you get a chance to see this, I am curious to know what your doomsday pile is, like the cards in order.
Shouldn't Jordan have gained life from that Swords on Godo?
Thassa's Oracle has pretty much single-handedly ruined the fun of watching cEDH games. Not your fault you run it in pretty much all decks that support UB, it's cEDH after all and winning at all costs is within both the spirit and rules, but it's also not our fault for becoming bored with the format either. Blame the rules committee for not doing their job worth a shit.
Stop looking at me Joseph
The decklist for Sygg is only 99 cards...
What was the second doomsday pile he chose?
Mairsil is a dude.
I'm gonna get hate for this comment but idrc, you all realize they're playing "C" edh right? Why get upset when you see Thassa's oracle? Why would they not play the most popular win condition rn. Yes it's easy, yes it wins with a shit ton of cards but it seriously just shows how prepared you have to be in this format. If you know what's most likely gonna get played you need to play more interaction against it, angel's grace, counterspells, stifles, hushbringer, if you can remove the oracle then noxious revival something on top of the library. There's several ways to get around it but I understand interaction for it doesn't advance your own board state. People expecting cedh players not to play it is like expecting a sports team not to use their best player every game.
That and doomsday may look easy but it takes a lot of skill to master and know what piles are the best lines of play to win.
2:41 Mairsil is a guy
The games are becoming repetitive it’s just something something thassa a oracle/ lab man effect haha I win and sometimes I play godo and get infinite attack steps ok gg
I really don't like seeing Godo decks. You see a cedh godo deck and you know exactly how it's going to be played. Pretty lame IMO
This might have been just me paying attention for the first time to the non gameplay part of the video.. but Joseph your eyes are like stupid gorgeous and distracting 😅
Mairsil is a guy
Thassas Oracle bad >:(
I'm so sick and tired of thassa's oracle....
that shit should be banned already
I love watching but all that shuffling for a 7 minute game must suck.
At the end of game 1, that was such a sore loser play from Jordan. Really reinforces why he's my least favorite in this pod.
How was that a sore loser play?
@@yashaskedlaya7326 Did it change the outcome? Did it remove the trigger from the stack? Did it prevent Joseph from winning? If you answered no to these questions, what do you mean then? Do you understand sportsmanship or is that also lost?
I assumed it was intended as a bit of a joke, like saying “in response... I lose the game.” Giving then a fright and then they realise you actually don’t have anything, but I haven’t watched any of the live videos, so maybe I’m being too charitable
@@Giga-lemesh it was like that, more of a joke to hate on the Oracle at the end of the game.
But in a normal game this could be a smart move. Since me, playing ghave had green, I might have had a noxious revival. Jordan with priority first could abrade the oracle and I could put something on top. But since we're all talking to each other during the game he knew I didnt have it. Just wanted to blow up the oracle since it won anyways. Doesnt hurt the game at all and he gets to blow stuff up which is always fun
@@Giga-lemesh that's what I was thinking. It didn't affect the game anyways so it was just like that last punch before you fall or something