Volkswagen Passat GTE Estate review - DrivingElectric
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The plug-in hybrid Volkswagen Passat GTE Estate will do 36 miles in electric-only mode, while its 1.4-litre petrol engine should achieve around 40mpg after the battery has run out of charge. With rock-bottom running costs on the cards, Vicky Parrott gives her verdict…
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As an owner of a 2016 Passat GTE Variant, this is an amazing car that allows me to travel around 5000 kilometers in electric mode every year.
I do about 500 km (310 miles) in pure electric mode every month taking the kids to and from school and then to work and back home (14 km in total in my case, which is less than the 30 km electric range).
But when I need to take the family on a long holiday journey, we don't break a sweat because of the hybrid mode (the car has 2 modes: full electric and hybrid mode) and the 218 hp in GTE mode. The car is never just a petrol car.
My lifetime average (summer, winter etc) consumption for a full tank of petrol is 6.1 L/100 km (46.4 mpg UK) with an average of 200 km of pure electric mode for a full tank of petrol.
After mounting a charging socket at home, the average (summer, winter etc) consumption for a full tank of petrol is 4.5 L/100 km (62.7 mpg UK) with an average of 400 km of pure electric mode for a full tank of petrol.
The best ever consumption for a full tank was 3.6 L/100 km (78.5 mpg UK or 65.3 mpg US) when I drove a lot in the city for 7 weeks between refueling. I traveled for a total of 1265 km (786 miles) with 45.7 L (621 km in hybrid mode and 644 km in electric mode in the city).
If the electric range is enough and the car is kept charged, the car can drive multiple hundreds of km (and multiple weeks) without using the petrol engine at all (the maximum was 70 days). The mpg for this specific part is infinite (zero petrol used).
The worst ever was 8.6 L/100 km (32.8 mpg UK) for the full tank of petrol on a long holiday trip in the mountains. The 218 hp offer great overtaking opportunities and I'm not afraid of using the car's power.
The bad smelling gases are way lower in the city versus my previous, diesel, car (which was otherwise amazing too (except for the bad smelling gases)).
For my use case, the Passat GTE has 27% less CO2 emissions than my previous diesel car doing the same trips. That's around 1,050,000 fewer grams (2,314 lbs) of pure CO2 every year (or 540 fewer cubic meters or 19,070 cubic feet of pure CO2).
I live in a country with a developing EV charging infrastructure. A PHEV is a good solution for me as a family man and has introduced me to the charging mindset: having all the charging related apps on the phone like an EV-owner, favoring those destinations with charging stations and using the regenerative braking etc.
You can read more about the Passat GTE at mihaimaerean.ro/iSite2/volkswagen/passat/gte/volkswagen_passat_gte.html .
Hi. You mentioned "taking the kids to school and back and then to work and back home." How many km was that journey per day? Was the full electric mode enough for that whole journey? What do you think is the realistic pure electric range? Thanks.
@@UnknownEAFCPlayer In the worst conditions (freezing temperatures, very heavy traffic, 4 fragmented drives(taking the kids to and from school and then to work and back home)) the 13 kWh battery of the >= 2019 models would last a minimum of 24 km.
In the best conditions (25 C outside, very light traffic, single drive for the entire trip (not getting out of the car)), the 13 kWh battery can last 50 km.
The biggest user of the battery is not the driving, it's the heater in the air conditioning unit.
I love the GTE, it's awesome.
You can read more at mihaimaerean.ro/iSite2/volkswagen/passat/gte/volkswagen_passat_gte.html
Thanks for that review! Those are the specs I've been looking for, but of course, unless you actually own one GTE or at least drive one for an extended period of time, its impossible to get a grip on those very important specs like average of consumption on long trips, or how many km on one tank. I do have a question for you. Since I won't be able to buy one new, what's your opinion on getting a used Passat estate GTE, with let's say, 100 000 km? Any red lights I should be aware? Thanks in advance.
Hi & thanks for the detailed info. I have a question about the service intervals: Do the miles commuted on full electric mode recognized by the car and the service milage for the petrol engine is calculated according to that? To explain in numbers: Let's say you have done 10.000 miles in total, 5.000 of that is in full electric mode. Should you have an oil change or wait for petrol engine to reach 10.000 miles?
@@rasputinf Yes, the miles commuted on full electric mode are recognized by the car for the service intervals. 10.000 miles is 10.000 miles regardless of how the car does that distance. My opinion on why that is is related to:
* the electric motor is integrated in the gear box, so the gear box oil service needs to take the electric distance into consideration.
* the electric motor has its own cooling system that needs inspection so considering the electric distance too saves you from having 2 different service intervals (one for the Electric and one for the ICE internal combustion engine).
* the GTEs don't keep a count of the total electric distance they do in the long term. For each hybrid drive it will show you the distance that was driven with zero emissions, but that statistic gets reset every day/drive. In order for me to have some statistics on how much the plug-in part improves things, I keep my own data on the distances I drive in EV and the kWhs that are needed to recharge the car. It's a big [google] spreadsheet that also computes the longest stretch of continuous distance traveled in EV (290 km or 180 miles as of now).
Why nobody mention what's the range of this car in hybrid mode? How much miles you can do without charging in the most economic setup?
5:18 I'm pretty sure it knocks the V60 out of the park for boot size. You probably meant the V90.... Also, why do PHEV reviews never EVER speak about real world consumption when using the petrol-only mode? It's an important fact for anyone using it more than just the work commute.
The V60 phev has 519 liters of boot capacity...
How about a plug in hybrid passat that is brought to Australia? Gibt es nicht.
I’ve asked you guys for this review last week and now here it is...🙈 can’t believe it
Brilliant,many thanks
Why does it look ancient inside? Those buttons around gearchanger ive had 15years ago in a Caddy
Can u please review bmw 225xe
@Carwow said that that screen is a 9 inch and its got 650l of boot space
But for less money (and with more spec) you could have an ENiro??? With substantially lower running costs and not harming the environment
Volkswagen ! = Kia it's like saying for substantially less money than a Bentley you could get a Tesla Model 3
Fair point - I don’t think the gap is that large though. I’ve been in both and the Passat is the nicer finish but for the camera etc etc it’s going to tip £40k and isn’t full ev
@@rossyhead69 Passat is also a lot larger and more spacious so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
Yeah I was going to point out the Passat is larger but the Kia is still very practical. I wish someone did a decent estate ev but guess it would be £90k+
:-) or ID.3 interior space of a Passat and exterior size of a Golf.
What's the max speed using only electric motor?
The non facelift is 130km/h, with that in mind I dont think its less than that. Atleast 130km/h in facelift.
It's 130 km/h for the 2020 version as well.
@@FredrikEkenstierna 140 km/h
Confused, Driving Electric is the tag line. The vehicle is a petrol car ?
The vehicle is actually both.
Must be southerners! Where does it mention fossil fuel?
DrivingElectric is the channel. Description says plugin hybrid :)
could you tow a 1500 kg caravan ?
1600KG actually....www.towingcapacity.co.uk/car-make-model/volkswagen/volkswagen-passat/
I'm not sold on the whole hybrid thing, I'd rather just go full electric or fossil fuel
I would argue it depends on the use case. For someone who only dose short commutes and once a month need to go for a 400km drive with a 1600 kg trailor then the gte might be great.
@@MrConor159 very true It does all depend on the needs of the driver, like for me I only need a small electric car as my commute is only 10 miles each way, and we have a family car for the rest of the time
@@krisdenton3128 Remember that an ecological advantage to hybrid or PHEV is they do not not waste fuel and pollute when the car is stopped (idling). That's why they are more economical in city driving and are popular as taxi cabs in many cities. Stuck in traffic and at intersections is very wasteful of fuel. Regular non-hybrid taxi is lucky to get 10-15 mpg.
Except.... There is no full electric estate car this big, comfortable or versatile or can tow a caravan.
This (and the SKODA super phev) are the most versatile phev vehicles you can currently buy.
The best of both worlds. No tedious charging worries, no pollution from the tailpipe in towns and cities.
BTW, I own an EV,.... A very frustrating experience I can tell you!
I will never really see the point in this type of vehicle. I suspect a lot of people we ill buy them for the tax brreak and not bother plugging them in a lot of the time. Price wise it is very close to full electric cars with good range and that would be my choice every time but I get the impression from friends that the Passat and BMW are on their company car lists and Tesla etc aren't.
and how many fully electric entate's are there on the market?
There will always be people that buy these kinds of cars just for the tax benefit. But not all..
I own a golf GTE and am replacing it with a passat GTE atm.
My commute is 10km, grocery store just 2km, bigger cities for shopping all in a 15km radius. If i charge the car whenever i get home it will cost me 50% less in fuel, so there is absolutely a point in this type of vehicle. And if i do have to go further, you got that petrol engine that will get you there.
However i understand that not every country is this dense populated. 90% of my travels are well within the cars range. If you drive 100km / 60miles daily, these cars won't benefit you much.
Nose only charge point? Immediately impractical as requires nose in parking reversing out onto busy road. Why don't they think of these things?
You got a point.
They need to minimize the wiring which increase their profits.
Not an issue. VW did think about these things.
The cable is longer than the car so it does reach the charging socket even if parked read-end-first.
CoxJul And what obout reversing on busy road and getting to possibly narrow paking spot driwing bacwards? 🤦♂️ Even more dangerous. Ladies would appriciate it.
@@Petr1331 Actually, is the other way around. It has happened to me when parking nose first (to get closer to the charging station) that I literally couldn't get the car out from the parking space because many cars then came in the parking lot. I had to wait for some of them to leave. I now always park to charge backend first and use all the length of the cable. Since doing this, I have always managed to leave no matter how full the parking lot was.
Waiting for Skoda Octavia iV... better car as vw.😁
Isn't the Octavia just a VW with different sheet metal and some interior changes?
@@rizzlerazzleuno4733 exactly, that's why it's better. 😁 and it's cheaper 😉
@@rizzlerazzleuno4733 that would be Seat, Skoda uses the same modular platform, but does IMHO better job on the inside. The new Octavia looks like something from the future compared to VW
I had a ŠKODA, and now own the Passat. The Passat seems a bit more refined imo.
Dave Lowis It is, , on the other hand Skoda is more reliable, with less failures, our own experience with several cars( both Golf and Octavia). VW suffers from “beeng first” in terms of implementation new technology without enough testing. Skoda gets those after removing weak points. And it’s simply clever😊
13 kWh battery? Wherever I look for battery info I find 9,9 kWh...
It‘s the prefacelift... the new one has 13 kWh
Some comments are really an embarrassment...
Abel Israel Cruz Ayuso Especially the one where the author feels the need to comment on how far a driver chooses to sit from the wheel.
David Stevenson Yeah, the same issue as criticising the video or the test just for the sake of feeling superior... Totally the same...
If you are serious about the CO2 emissions consider the, perhaps less attractive, option of NOT buying a new car at all. If you use Mike Berners-Lee's figure of 720kg CO2 emissions for every £1000 spent on a new car then a £30k EV or whatever will have been responsible for about 22 tonnes of CO2 emissions before it does a wheel's turn in use. I have cut my car usage down to 3000 miles a year and even allowing for the 18% well-to-pump factor (the EU average by the EU's own stats) that is responsible for 950kg of CO2 emissions per year. If I pitch this car in for an EV it could take well over 20 years for it to be less polluting than keeping the current car. Even at the current UK average of about 7500 miles/year it might still take over 9 years to reach the break-even point. And all this assumes the EV is charged by a carbon neutral source which even the current solar and wind tech isn't thanks to manufacturing and maintenance emissions. Factor that in and the break-even point gets pushed even further back.
Its not all about CO2 - of which the figures you posit are rather improbable in practice - it's not realistic to expect a product designed to have a short and very finite life to suddenly become everlasting. Cars will continue to be replaced with new unless the way we live changes. Increasingly EV and battery assembly is carried out in carbon neutral factories. However more importantly it would be prudent to consider the millions affected by pollution; particulates, air quality and noise. I live just off the main road into a major UK city - the noise and smell make it incredibly unpleasant to walk round here. I have to clean off black soot from external paintwork every year. If this road switched overnight to EV only traffic it would be like moving to the Alps. Bring it on please!
@@modo613 Sadly the figures for CO2 in vehicle manufacture are all too real: See:-
www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car
The "carbon neutral assembly plant" is a wonderful bit of green-washing done by car manufacturers. Sure, the assembly line is powered by solar or wind and the power tools that tighten the bolts and screw the screws are powered carbon free but all the components, the steel, the aluminium the rubber, the plastics, the glass all come from mining refining moulding,casting, machining processes that are increasingly performed in China where the power is largely coal. And of course the factory and everything in it was produced using carbon emitting processes as were the ships that transport the components etc as are most of the maintenance processes.
As for the air quality issue, the Clean Air act and the Smogs of the 1950s and 1960s (especially 1962) are inside my lifetime so I can tell you you havn't seen anything like the worst! I did my Ph.D. in cloud microphysics in the early 70s - before most people had heard of climate change and spent 20+ years an atmospheric research (including aerosols), I have spent over 10 years in renewables research, haven't flown since 1998 and heat my home increasingly from wood from a long-rotation coppice . So I'm well versed in the issues. Please don't allow manufacturers to fool you that buying a EV or indeed anything else is saving the planet. For now the best thing we can all do is as little as possible while renewables that really work are developed and deployed.
As for the possibility of extending the life of cars - look at Cuba!
17 inch or 18 inch means engine will turn over slower. So will use less energy.
Nope with bigger wheels you get lower profile tyres so all vairents have the same tyre circumference. Smaller wheels have more rubber and less spokey things that cause drag.
@@MrConor159 Of course I had forgotten about the tyres.
@@m3cvfm Hi guys, does it really matter that much? I mean the difference she mentioned in the video is huge between the 17 or 18 inch
Well I can tell you when my brother swapped his 22 inch wheels to 20 inch ones on his model x Tesla he got about another 20 to 30 miles range
Is it me or she’s a bit far from the steering wheel?
It's you
Arthur Embleton I thought so...
They probably used a very wide-angle lens / action-cam for the interior shots - this will exaggerate perspective.
What you ‘think’ about range couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve had one of these and it was one of the most poorly made cars I’ve had in recently years. Buzzing, rustling, creaks and rattles made the numerous trips to the dealership a mystery until I rejected the car. VW and their wash-their-hands-of-you dealer; specialist cars Kirkcaldy we’re useless, totally useless. As for their Active Net Operating system; it NEVER worked properly and they didn’t know how to fix it. Avoid this car and the brand like the plague
So you're not from the "Volk".
Still a fossil car
great!
will all the eco terroist roaming around in government, cars like these will hold value, especially with the chip shortage. even if it is quite expensive, its a safe bet.
Worst of both worlds. Poor electric range and dirty fossil.
ubi zen no is not
go to a doctor
You would never buy one of these. Purely aimed at company car market for tax avoidance!
K B thanks for kind words darling! It’s still aimed at company car market... it’s still tax avoidance, I pay 16% on my car, the equivalent diesel would be 36%. And you are now getting a GTE to pay less tax... Happy new year petal!
@Dwayne Pipe Most company car schemes still come with a fuel card, meaning exactly ZERO people will choose to use their own electricity to make this thing efficient. So really they're just going to drag around heavy batteries and get 30mpg vs a diesel at 45mpg. So the majority are boosting global warming
so you think paying tax is a good thing and avoiding it is bad?
I love family life but women are getting so fkn complicated today I think all good things must come to an end ..as the saying goes.
I could go a nice burger right now.