My Great Grandfather was a Sales Distributor for McCord Radiator and Manufacturing Company. He saved 2 unopened crates (12 helmets) of original M1 helmets manufacture date of 1941. He wrote letter stating that these helmets are from the first batch ever produced and not to be opened until 6-6-2044. Also, in the letter, he has written documentation of all kinds of info about the helmets and processes involved to produce them, and how he got them. I hope I'm still alive to open them in 20 years.
I got a MSA liner with a Vietnam sweetband, it has a name and the sweetband is dated to 1974. On the outside it has the 80th infrantry divisional markings.
Hey John! Pretty late for this to be relevant but keep in mind that some liners had their webbing replaced with OD green suspensions after ww2, and then got sent to Korea. I recently scored this one Westinghouse ww2 liner that had been reworked on by Capac in 1951 and fitted with OD green suspension straps. This also means that the liner has 2 company markings, one of Westinghouse, and a post-war Capac one, which makes it pretty neat! The shell's a McCord with heatstamp 924B, which puts it around summer 1944, and front seam. Might have gone through 3 wars! Since it's a ww2 pot, with OD green chinstraps and metal chinstrap clamps. And all that at a pretty nice price! Bout a 100 bucks with import and shipping (since I'm outside the US, and seeing how the surplus/ww2 market likes to inflate the prices on some of its items) But anyways, keep up the good work! Love your vids! You really keep me going collecting and feeling happy about the purchases I make! Thank you for that!
@@JonBoyMilitaria Actually this is my first ww2 helmet and liner! And my second US made one! (other one being an ingersoll vn war helmet with may 67 dated liner that I use for my vn war kit) The rest were all European type M1s that got some sentimental value (as they were given by my parents when I was around 10, started collecting young!) I may try to restore the liner into a paratrooper one since the webbing is utterly destroyed and unusable and I'd need one for my 82nd airborne kit! And no problem! You genuinely sound like a laid-back, genuine and nice guy, so how could I not resist supporting your channel! Got to share it around too, since my girlfriend loves this kind of stuff as well!
I have a westinghouse helmet. The webbing is a little rough in some spots, it was in a garage and I think mice chewed it a bit. The helmet is a front seam fixed bale.
I was at a show this guy had a August 14 1941 Hawley and helmet set brand spankin new it has been issued but it’s almost like the solider put it in a case and never touched it heat stamp 14A McCord most incredible helmet I have ever saw the Hawley liner was perfect I asked it’s a repo right he said no way he pulled out documents of authentication and everything the only thing that got in my way was he wanted $950 bucks couldn’t bring him down any lower but That’s what that helmet was worth
I have 3 steel pots 2 are WWII and one Vietnam . The liners are interesting and hard to find. The leather chin strap on one is missing it rotted off decades ago. The white strip was to indicate a NCO if from the rear. Later Officers used a white strip that was vertical and NCOs were horizontal.
I bought a m1 liner month ago and I don't know is it authentic or not Colours are right and it looks like it's low pressure liner but I don't see any manufacturer stamp but there are some letters that are partially vanished "C F " or "G F" these letters are black Can someone help me to tell is it original or not?
Hi great video, I wonder if you could throw some light on a couple of LINERS I have , 1 is a MSL stamped but it's a low pressure? mint condition and never been painted , did MSL make a low pressure liner ? And the second just says US with a 74 underneath? Both have OD3 webbing
AWESOME VIDEO!!!! dont be hard on yourself man. ww2 liners have ssssooooo many variations you could probably do an entire series of videos and still not cover everything. hell im still learning myself. it wasnt all that long ago i learned about "finnland" liners. its a liner made by firestone using ex inland molds. when firestone remarked some of the molds you could still see the edges of the innland logo sticking out on either side of the F. good luck on your quest to get a general fibre, hawley, hood, and innland liners. im sure you will eventually with your luck lol. until then you can console yourself with your 2 pacific theatre medic helmets lol (im OD#7 with envy lol!!! i got real lucky with my general fibre liner. it came with a named (f j fanning) fb i got 25 years ago before saving private ryan, and band of brothers came out and generated so much interest in ww2 collecting. a local picker found out i collected and offered me some stuff she and her husband had picked including the helmet, some navy shearling flight pants, a couple other things i dont recall, and something i still salivate over lol a set of those black plastic aircraft recognition models!!!! well i offered her $15 for the helmet and $50 for the pants but told her i didnt have enough to make a fair offer on the models (they were going for 250-300 then). she accepted and i took them home. i didnt know a whole lot about m1 helmets then (i even though a vietnam era helmet was ww2) and, while i recognized something was different about the liner, i didnt understand the significance. it wasnt unti years later after checking "steel pots" and "painted steel" from the library that i learned about the rarity. ill bet my reaction wouldve been a hoot to see as, when i read about the rarity, i was so stunned i literally dropped the book!!! i just never had that kind of luck lol!!! now my hawley liner was another story altogether. i paid a pretty penny for it! it and the helmet it came in were a graduation present to myself (the best kind lol) for getting my associates degree. i got myself a westinghouse paraliner for my masters degree. happy hunting!!!
oh btw hawleys (and presumably general fibres) are out there. go rewatch "the thin red line" and play close attention to the rims of the liners sticking out from under the brims of the helmets (mostly fixed bales as well).
oh and almost forgot. ive heard that the white lines going all the way over the top of liners and helmets were for war game umpires. i dont know if its true, but it seems plausible.
Dang, I didn't know about the Finland liners either. Sounds like you got a great deal on some awesome items from that couple. That's great that you got your degrees. I think it is perfectly acceptable to go out and spend a large amount of money on something that you really want as a gift to yourself for such an accomplishment. Thanks for all your support. I'm hoping for a great year of collecting and making lots of videos and watching my channel continue to grow!
@@JonBoyMilitaria well, it wasnt bad, but not a huge bargain (at least for what i thought was a normal helmet at the time). actually i kind of regret college. so far, all its done is leave me with massive student loan debt that ill probably never get paid back. thank you for all your awesome videos! they rock.
@@thurin84 I never went to college. I never wanted to. I hated school Lol. I started my job when I was 19 and I am still there. March 25th will be 13 years that I have had my job.
Hey! I have a liner that seems to be a ww2 liner but it doesn’t have any of the markings you mentioned.. it’s got the number 77 and and what’s either a II SW or a MS II.. any input on what it may be?
That would be a post ww2 liner made by Marmac. I actually have a video posted about identifying post World War 2 liners. If you get a chance, check it out. Thanks for watching.
Hmm that’s odd, are those liners ever found with beige headbands? Cause mines got a beige liner not a green one, as well as the vent hole at the front that I believe to be ww2 era? Really appreciate your input, trying to piece together what I acctually have, starting with the liner. It was a reissue to Spain, as the helmet has a changed chinstrap, and a newer Spanish clip in liner attached to the original
Hey just wanted to update this, I have since found out that the make of my liner is Schuberth Werke Braunschweig (SW). And it was made in 1977. But it has beige liners making it look ww2 era, and a replacement headband that is Spanish.. super weird combo! But I’m having trouble revealing the heat stamp on the shell to determine it’s age and whether it’s ww2 Korea or Vietnam. On to your paint stripping video I guess! Lol cheers :)
Mine said W C Or W IC I do not understand It came with a Ingersoll m1 helmet with a cover from the 1965-1968 It in bad condition could it be that my liner is old and the stamp disappear or It not from the same helmet
I bought it from a Vietnam war scrap yard in Thailand they got jeep, 2 Huey (scraped) And probably more than 300 m1 helmet so the possibility of what you said is likely true
JonBoy09 oh it’s because I got myself a Spanish helmet with a helmet liner similar to a ww2 us paratrooper one but the only differences are that the nape strap is different ,the liner is thicker,and that it has duck cotton material for the liner.
Jon boy I just bought what I think to be a ww2 helmet liner with the brown canvas but the thing that concerns me is that on top of the grey clips there are stainless steel rivits sorta resebling those of an Iraqi helmet ps the helmet is paratroopers and I was wondering if you knew
I have what I believe is a CAPAC World War ll helmet. Underneath the CAPAC cross logo, there is a backwards number 10 (looks like 0 then a backwards 1). Any idea on the meaning or any way to help date this helmet?
Hey john I found a Westinghouse liner with no evidence of paint ever being on it .were they ever issued without paint? PS It isn't one of the ones that was made into a toy.
@@JonBoyMilitaria I have two of them and one of them I got at this antique store garage sale and that I just thought it was some bike helmet that someone had a cool paint job for a my dad came over to me and was like this is world war II and he bought it for me and then I have another one I bought from an army store that's the Nam war Korean war that was a world war II mold so thank you
hello Jon, nice video ... I had written to you a while ago for a doubt with some rivets in a firestone liner (big stamp "F") my question was coming from there, I got another similar one with the same stamp with the big F of firestone different from others that I have that has the smallest F, these two in question have the same rivets, I guess it will be late in the war, one has a green belt HBT in very good condition and the other in poor condition and worn out color, I think they would also be green, another fact, both have the ventilation hole with what would be a WW2 liner, but what I do not know if they were reconditioned in the korea era, greetings from Argentina
Hey, it sounds like you have some Firestone World War 2 liner "molds" that were repurposed in the 1950s and they had the green OD7 webbing added inside.
@@JonBoyMilitaria thanks for the answer Jon, yes, I always had that impression Korea era, another thing that I do not mention before , in the support for the neck band the buttons "females" says "stocko" or something like that if I remember correctly, again thanks,regards
Oh wow thanks a lot this will help me a lot. So just to get this strait, if it is a tan khaki color then it's WW2 and if it's green then it's post war? Thanks for the upload it's very useful b
My Great Grandfather was a Sales Distributor for McCord Radiator and Manufacturing Company. He saved 2 unopened crates (12 helmets) of original M1 helmets manufacture date of 1941. He wrote letter stating that these helmets are from the first batch ever produced and not to be opened until 6-6-2044. Also, in the letter, he has written documentation of all kinds of info about the helmets and processes involved to produce them, and how he got them. I hope I'm still alive to open them in 20 years.
Wow, that's really awesome.
That’s so cool! You are so lucky.
Very cool for sure
I got a MSA liner with a Vietnam sweetband, it has a name and the sweetband is dated to 1974. On the outside it has the 80th infrantry divisional markings.
That is awesome.
Hey John! Pretty late for this to be relevant but keep in mind that some liners had their webbing replaced with OD green suspensions after ww2, and then got sent to Korea.
I recently scored this one Westinghouse ww2 liner that had been reworked on by Capac in 1951 and fitted with OD green suspension straps. This also means that the liner has 2 company markings, one of Westinghouse, and a post-war Capac one, which makes it pretty neat!
The shell's a McCord with heatstamp 924B, which puts it around summer 1944, and front seam. Might have gone through 3 wars! Since it's a ww2 pot, with OD green chinstraps and metal chinstrap clamps.
And all that at a pretty nice price! Bout a 100 bucks with import and shipping (since I'm outside the US, and seeing how the surplus/ww2 market likes to inflate the prices on some of its items)
But anyways, keep up the good work! Love your vids! You really keep me going collecting and feeling happy about the purchases I make!
Thank you for that!
Thank you for your input. It sounds like you have some nice items in your collection. Thanks for your support. I appreciate it.
@@JonBoyMilitaria Actually this is my first ww2 helmet and liner! And my second US made one! (other one being an ingersoll vn war helmet with may 67 dated liner that I use for my vn war kit) The rest were all European type M1s that got some sentimental value (as they were given by my parents when I was around 10, started collecting young!)
I may try to restore the liner into a paratrooper one since the webbing is utterly destroyed and unusable and I'd need one for my 82nd airborne kit!
And no problem! You genuinely sound like a laid-back, genuine and nice guy, so how could I not resist supporting your channel! Got to share it around too, since my girlfriend loves this kind of stuff as well!
Keep on collecting. Remember to have fun.
Bud those are beautiful liners, i sure need to buy more WW2 liners, thumbs up enjoyed thank you for sharing
Thank you. I need quite a bit more also.
@@JonBoyMilitaria I got my liner today I'm doing the restoration video now I just did the first oart
Jersey farang hey my liner is a ww2 one and it has msa 24 what does that mean
Awesome
@@JonBoyMilitaria yup there was 2 bad cracks I repaired you'll see when you watch my video I will upload part 1 tomorrow
I have a westinghouse helmet. The webbing is a little rough in some spots, it was in a garage and I think mice chewed it a bit. The helmet is a front seam fixed bale.
Westinghouse helmet liner. The helmet would have been made by McCord or Schlueter.
@@JonBoyMilitaria Very cool! Thanks for correcting me haha
@@EricCole69 No problem. Thanks for watching.
I was at a show this guy had a August 14 1941 Hawley and helmet set brand spankin new it has been issued but it’s almost like the solider put it in a case and never touched it heat stamp 14A McCord most incredible helmet I have ever saw the Hawley liner was perfect I asked it’s a repo right he said no way he pulled out documents of authentication and everything the only thing that got in my way was he wanted $950 bucks couldn’t bring him down any lower but That’s what that helmet was worth
Dang, that sounds like a real amazing helmet and liner set.
damn!!!!! thats so cool you got to bask in its glory lol!
@@thurin84 It sure sounds like an awesome helmet/liner set for sure
Hurts don't it?
Very cool, I actually have a mint Westinghouse Rayon with (Square) washers... Heatstamp 170B
I have a lead on a Hawley liner I'm hoping I'll be able to score it for a decent price
That's great man. I hope it works out for you.
good luck dude!
@@thurin84 I hope he gets it.
James who needs to know
Did you get it?
@@TheCarDemotic no he wanted way to much and he wouldn't go any lower.
I have 3 steel pots 2 are WWII and one Vietnam . The liners are interesting and hard to find. The leather chin strap on one is missing it rotted off decades ago. The white strip was to indicate a NCO if from the rear. Later Officers used a white strip that was vertical and NCOs were horizontal.
Its hard to find original ww2 liners with the leather chinstrap still in good condition. They just didn't hold up.
@@JonBoyMilitaria I have one liner marked usm with a circle , it has tan webbing and the steel pot is military OD.
@@montanamountainmen6104 Hmm, I have never seen one marked USM before.
@@JonBoyMilitaria Its of WWII but its a circle with fancy letters USM with I could send you a pic.
Found it , itis Mine Safety Appliance Company, Pittsburg , PA.
good job young man. chris armold im sure is proud of you. excellent job. hes my friend
Thank you. It was a pleasure meeting Chris.
I saw a repainted hawley in really good shape go for 250 about a week ago
Dang
I'd really like to get a St. Clair because I live very close to that area.
That's cool. I would love to find more myself. I really want to find a Hood Rubber.
okay man ive got one but my liner has a D27 and a W0 in it so is it WW2 or Vietnam
If the webbing is khaki then it is World War Two, if it is green, then it is Post World War Two.
10-4 man thank ya much
@@fergusonthereaver6686 You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
I bought a m1 liner month ago and I don't know is it authentic or not
Colours are right and it looks like it's low pressure liner but I don't see any manufacturer stamp but there are some letters that are partially vanished "C F " or "G F" these letters are black
Can someone help me to tell is it original or not?
I am happy to help
Hi great video, I wonder if you could throw some light on a couple of LINERS I have , 1 is a MSL stamped but it's a low pressure? mint condition and never been painted , did MSL make a low pressure liner ?
And the second just says US with a 74 underneath? Both have OD3 webbing
I don't recall ever seeing an MSL marked liner before. Only MSA. I will have to look into this.
@@JonBoyMilitaria sorry my error, it' MSA low pressure unpainted
The low pressure liners were made by St. Clair and Hood Rubber.
Great vid Jon.
Thank you
AWESOME VIDEO!!!! dont be hard on yourself man. ww2 liners have ssssooooo many variations you could probably do an entire series of videos and still not cover everything. hell im still learning myself. it wasnt all that long ago i learned about "finnland" liners. its a liner made by firestone using ex inland molds. when firestone remarked some of the molds you could still see the edges of the innland logo sticking out on either side of the F.
good luck on your quest to get a general fibre, hawley, hood, and innland liners. im sure you will eventually with your luck lol. until then you can console yourself with your 2 pacific theatre medic helmets lol (im OD#7 with envy lol!!! i got real lucky with my general fibre liner. it came with a named (f j fanning) fb i got 25 years ago before saving private ryan, and band of brothers came out and generated so much interest in ww2 collecting. a local picker found out i collected and offered me some stuff she and her husband had picked including the helmet, some navy shearling flight pants, a couple other things i dont recall, and something i still salivate over lol a set of those black plastic aircraft recognition models!!!! well i offered her $15 for the helmet and $50 for the pants but told her i didnt have enough to make a fair offer on the models (they were going for 250-300 then). she accepted and i took them home. i didnt know a whole lot about m1 helmets then (i even though a vietnam era helmet was ww2) and, while i recognized something was different about the liner, i didnt understand the significance. it wasnt unti years later after checking "steel pots" and "painted steel" from the library that i learned about the rarity. ill bet my reaction wouldve been a hoot to see as, when i read about the rarity, i was so stunned i literally dropped the book!!! i just never had that kind of luck lol!!! now my hawley liner was another story altogether. i paid a pretty penny for it! it and the helmet it came in were a graduation present to myself (the best kind lol) for getting my associates degree. i got myself a westinghouse paraliner for my masters degree.
happy hunting!!!
oh btw hawleys (and presumably general fibres) are out there. go rewatch "the thin red line" and play close attention to the rims of the liners sticking out from under the brims of the helmets (mostly fixed bales as well).
oh and almost forgot. ive heard that the white lines going all the way over the top of liners and helmets were for war game umpires. i dont know if its true, but it seems plausible.
Dang, I didn't know about the Finland liners either. Sounds like you got a great deal on some awesome items from that couple. That's great that you got your degrees. I think it is perfectly acceptable to go out and spend a large amount of money on something that you really want as a gift to yourself for such an accomplishment. Thanks for all your support. I'm hoping for a great year of collecting and making lots of videos and watching my channel continue to grow!
@@JonBoyMilitaria well, it wasnt bad, but not a huge bargain (at least for what i thought was a normal helmet at the time). actually i kind of regret college. so far, all its done is leave me with massive student loan debt that ill probably never get paid back. thank you for all your awesome videos! they rock.
@@thurin84 I never went to college. I never wanted to. I hated school Lol. I started my job when I was 19 and I am still there. March 25th will be 13 years that I have had my job.
Hey! I have a liner that seems to be a ww2 liner but it doesn’t have any of the markings you mentioned.. it’s got the number 77 and and what’s either a II SW or a MS II.. any input on what it may be?
That would be a post ww2 liner made by Marmac. I actually have a video posted about identifying post World War 2 liners. If you get a chance, check it out. Thanks for watching.
Hmm that’s odd, are those liners ever found with beige headbands? Cause mines got a beige liner not a green one, as well as the vent hole at the front that I believe to be ww2 era? Really appreciate your input, trying to piece together what I acctually have, starting with the liner.
It was a reissue to Spain, as the helmet has a changed chinstrap, and a newer Spanish clip in liner attached to the original
Having checked out your other video the stamp isn’t like the mar Mac one either unfortunately.. really weird,
Hey just wanted to update this, I have since found out that the make of my liner is Schuberth Werke Braunschweig (SW). And it was made in 1977. But it has beige liners making it look ww2 era, and a replacement headband that is Spanish.. super weird combo!
But I’m having trouble revealing the heat stamp on the shell to determine it’s age and whether it’s ww2 Korea or Vietnam. On to your paint stripping video I guess! Lol cheers :)
Thanks for the update
Mine said
W C
Or
W IC
I do not understand
It came with a Ingersoll m1 helmet with a cover from the 1965-1968
It in bad condition could it be that my liner is old and the stamp disappear or
It not from the same helmet
Sounds like it is a Westinghouse liner
Thank you this will help me researching about this helmet
@@DerpPilot It could be a 1950s Westinghouse liner that was paired with a Vietnam era Ingersoll helmet.
Interesting
I bought it from a Vietnam war scrap yard in Thailand they got jeep, 2 Huey (scraped)
And probably more than 300 m1 helmet so the possibility of what you said is likely true
Did Westinghouse ever make liners for other countries?
No, not that I have ever heard of.
JonBoy09 oh it’s because I got myself a Spanish helmet with a helmet liner similar to a ww2 us paratrooper one but the only differences are that the nape strap is different ,the liner is thicker,and that it has duck cotton material for the liner.
@@JH-xf3zr Oh ok
Jon boy I just bought what I think to be a ww2 helmet liner with the brown canvas but the thing that concerns me is that on top of the grey clips there are stainless steel rivits sorta resebling those of an Iraqi helmet ps the helmet is paratroopers and I was wondering if you knew
Honestly without seeing it I wouldn't be sure
JH do you have a video on it if not make one so I can see it I should be able to tell you what it is
I have what I believe is a CAPAC World War ll helmet. Underneath the CAPAC cross logo, there is a backwards number 10 (looks like 0 then a backwards 1). Any idea on the meaning or any way to help date this helmet?
It sounds like a mold number
Hey john I found a Westinghouse liner with no evidence of paint ever being on it .were they ever issued without paint? PS It isn't one of the ones that was made into a toy.
Not all liners were painted.
Question.....what is that hole in the front of the St. Clair liner?
All WW2 liners have the small hole on the front. It's for rank/insignia to be attached.
@@JonBoyMilitaria I thought so.
What about helmet liner with w o on it it's a w and then under it is o
Westinghouse
@@JonBoyMilitaria I have two of them and one of them I got at this antique store garage sale and that I just thought it was some bike helmet that someone had a cool paint job for a my dad came over to me and was like this is world war II and he bought it for me and then I have another one I bought from an army store that's the Nam war Korean war that was a world war II mold so thank you
Thats cool
i have a belgian m1 helmet (1960s shell with 1980's liner) and the liner is made out of green plastic
That's cool
hello Jon, nice video ... I had written to you a while ago for a doubt with some rivets in a firestone liner (big stamp "F") my question was coming from there, I got another similar one with the same stamp with the big F of firestone different from others that I have that has the smallest F, these two in question have the same rivets, I guess it will be late in the war, one has a green belt HBT in very good condition and the other in poor condition and worn out color, I think they would also be green, another fact, both have the ventilation hole with what would be a WW2 liner, but what I do not know if they were reconditioned in the korea era, greetings from Argentina
Hey, it sounds like you have some Firestone World War 2 liner "molds" that were repurposed in the 1950s and they had the green OD7 webbing added inside.
@@JonBoyMilitaria thanks for the answer Jon, yes, I always had that impression Korea era, another thing that I do not mention before , in the support for the neck band the buttons "females" says "stocko" or something like that if I remember correctly, again thanks,regards
@@TheADP000 I'm not familiar with the words stocko... Thanks for watching.
Another great video.
Thanks for watching.
Cool now I know what I have
Awesome. Thanks for watching Shawn.
Are you going to restore any of those liners?
Nope. I don't do restorations like that.
@@JonBoyMilitaria so you don't restore any of the helmets, just curious
@@ArturAxmann-zp3cm I don't. There were some that I got that were burned up in a house fire that I cleaned up a little but that' s all.
Oh wow thanks a lot this will help me a lot. So just to get this strait, if it is a tan khaki color then it's WW2 and if it's green then it's post war?
Thanks for the upload it's very useful b
Yes, that is correct.
@@JonBoyMilitaria is it hard to re web a korean war liner with 0d 3 webbing because korean war liner shells are the same as a ww2 one
@@thIDthIRreenactor Honestly, I have never attempted to do anything like that before.
@@JonBoyMilitaria thanks for replying
I have the same liner and it's from 27 Oct 1972
Awesome
Good job :)
Thank you
mine has a leather liner
Is the whole liner leather or just the chinstrap?
@@JonBoyMilitaria its all leather
I have a saint Clair liner but it doesn't have a single crack!!!
That's amazing
mine is vietnam war
Awesome. I think I have about 10 - 12 from Vietnam era.
@@JonBoyMilitaria i havs a USSF uniform from early war, m65 winter jacket, and the helmet liner, also a 1966 canteen with cover
@@rogerscott8211 That's really cool
Have you got any new ones over the past year?
I am always looking to add new addtions to my collection. I pick up things from time to time.