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- For leaders like Trump and Putin, telling big lies isn't about persuasion -- it's about power.
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At first glance, US President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin seem to have wildly different communication styles. But what they share is a tendency to repeat big, obvious lies -- a tactic researchers have dubbed the “firehose of falsehood.” Whether it’s lying about Russian troops in Crimea or falsely claiming millions of people voted illegally during the 2016 election, both leaders demonstrate a kind of shamelessness when it comes to telling and retelling big lies. And that’s because firehosing isn’t actually about persuasion. It’s about power.
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"There's nothing as humiliating or disempowering as trying to prove the truth" I feel that one so much
hm
Relatable
λ-Φ Rypht Φ-λ Toxic personalities and the will to power are core parts of human nature that will never go away. I think we need to push to make our elections and debates into less about candidates and more about edicating about our democracy and what is holding it back. This would be an excellent thing for them to show
I want this as a poster. It really is exhausting living in this state.
Dina Karimi me too!
"The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth." - Garry Kasparov
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Amen
Tbh rationalising the unrational things(chaos) are not very time effective and brain would just assume to take easier way to do that the result is to mix them up for a clear picture but this picture may be incorrect , partly true
Actions are louder than words.
If you spot a liar don't wastes your time engaging with them and move on.
Yup, look at how the left in Universities just shut down any alternative thought.
“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”
― George Orwell, 1984
You've clearly never read the book if you think 1984 is a title and not just a year.
Why would you think someone quoting from the book wouldn't be writing "1984" as the title of the book the quote came from rather than a date? Like, do you believe the rest of the world isn't as smart as you?
@@akizeta 1984 is not the title of a book by George Orwell, but Nineteen Eighty-Four is. I didn't think I'd have to spell this out. I thought I was pretty clear that I understood 1984 was meant as a title, even though it is presented as a year and no book by that title was authored by George Orwell. Now if I had understood 1984 to be the year that Orwell said the quote, I would have certainly commented that Orwell died well before.
Quintinohthree The movie was titled “1984” and most editions of the book have been stylized as such. Grow up.
Power is doing that to black and minorities in the demoRATic party.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength”
Then I’m a doublethinker
He was a great writer
? DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH ?
It’s the era we have been living for all human history.
"Whoever has objectively more power owns reality"
Damn.
It has always been like that. History is not written by the defeated but by the victorious.
“Reality can be whatever I want”
silvervixen007 1984
Power is an illusion that a foolish person believes in, power does not bend reality, power is objective, reliant on many pieces working for you rather than against, money only matters if people care about money, to depend on the world for power is to condemn yourself to inevitable destruction, there are far too many examples of this (Caesar, Stalin, Hitler, Alexander the great, any leader that has been assassinated, the rise and fall of major industries, and even the fall of countries), the most powerful people in history have ultimately died and have had their image twisted and corrupted for another mans agenda. The only way to obtain true power is to live forever, for eternity, to be almighty, al powerful, and even then, our flaws will be our destruction. Only a perfect state can bring everlasting power, every other form is a desperate lie to what they already know.
Tobie Neese That is where I, kono DIO, come in.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
-1984
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power... We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. "
-also 1984
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CaptainHappen I recently read that book again after hearing that quote from Trump ("Don't believe what you ..."). It's strikingly similar to the book. What makes it so disturbing that Trump supporters accepted that from him is that they believe that in doing so, they're actually rebelling against authority. Slavery is freedom.
This sentence describes the Democrats so perfectly. Orwell was truly ahead of his time.
gabrocki I take it you didn’t watch the video.
Positively Orwellian.
"War is Peace,
Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength."
Elle Kelsheimer ignorance can indeed be strength
War will result in peace
Freedom inevitably leads to slavery
Ignorance of consequences or the ability to lie without it eating you from the inside is indeed a strength.
Yeah that's how orwell really hates socialism/collectivism. He made book about how oppressive it is.
@@denniscordovez3948 "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before." - George Orwell
But he was a staunch anti-Stalinist.
@@MsHumanOfTheDecade Well, that was how the people of Oceania understood it. But in reality, the motto War is Peace indicates how having a shared enemy unites the people of Oceania and helps them remain united and on a common course. Freedom in Oceania means the freedom to do and think what the Party wants without deviating from their rules and regulations. Finally, it is only through ignorance that people can find the strength to live in a totalitarian society where the government oppresses them even while communicating to them how fortunate they are. If these totalitarian ideals are strengths, then why do totalitarian regimes tend to be short-lived? North Korea is the only one to have lasted longer than 50 years and most don't even make it to 20 years.
*"The ultimate goal of fire hosing isn't to pass off lies as truth. It's to rob concepts, like facts and reality, of their power."*
what could be a counterstrike to this behavior?
"orwellian"
- characteristic of the writings of George Orwell, especially with reference to his dystopian account of a future totalitarian state in Nineteen Eighty-Four
@@DmitryKiktenko Satire, cause satire generally is very good at showing just how ludicrous something is
Hits home too hard. (I live in the Philippines.)
@@nmplab really hits home
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
names305 here you are SaFe
O.O
So if you don't have the physical resources or knowledge to prove or disprove something that a highly successful person says, the highly successful person must always be correct. By default, being successful means you are always correct according to observers who are not as successful.
lol
Someone had to say it!! nice one!
We’ve always been at war with Oceania.
This is so scary.
We've always been at war with Afghanistan
The second Oceanic-Atlantic War was the worst war in human history
well Australia lost a war to emus
How many lights do you see?
Three years later: Putin launches a obvious large scale invasion on whole Ukraine and _still_ denies it. It's a horror-show.
And its an age old tactic. Especially when they denied the bombings. Really reminded me of the whole molotovs "bread basket" ordeal during winter war where he said the bombs dropped in Finland were just "airlifting food aid", which actually was how we ended up naming molotov's cocktails, you know, as a drink to go with their "bread baskets". After all, it only is good manners to thank the guy for his kindness with some gifts in return. XD
And Trump publicly sided with Putin and said the same should be done to Mexico. Unbelivable.
@@jorge69696 trump ain't wrong on this one
@@not_noah69 are you high?
@@nakelekantoo nah
In psychology this is called gaslighting. It’s what abusers do to victims to rob them of reality and make the victim easy to control. The victim no longer trust their own reality, and often end up unconditionally accepting what the abuser says.
You can say that vox is biased but you cant say their content is untrue
Sasha Hawkes bingo and that’s what a lot of people don’t realize is that you be honest and report on the situation and report the honest truth regardless of Democrat or Republican.
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Blox Executive Ah yes, your great point. Too great to share it with us, in fact.
@@Noah-ir4is Ah yes your bigly point. Coincidentally, I also see all the evidence that you have laid out for me that Vox is lying. SO much evidence. Yuge evidence, believe me.
@@Noah-ir4is
Ah yes, the egg of truth. So eggy that it must be kept away from everyone.
The book "1984" is most famous for the surveillance and cameras everywhere and stuff, but the most important and alarming aspect of Ingsoc (the totalitarian-like government of the book) is the destroying of objective reality with manipulation of language and substituting it with a new one that sustains he government's power. The most terrifying tool the Party has for this is "doublethink": the ability to simultaneously believe two contradictory concepts at the same time.
So it goes:
You can't know reality outside the mind. Therefore, our thoughts determine reality (at the very least inside our heads). And finally, if the government can manipulate our minds to believing everything they say, no matter how ludicrous the lies are, they are actually MANIPULATING REALITY with doublethink.
It may seem that maybe George Orwell, the author, goes a little too far with the idea, but you can see how close he was with this real-life tactic and that it can really work.
I just wanted to draw some parallels from this cautionary book.
I feel like this book should be compulsory reading in the USA.
I screenshot your comment so that I can review it later, thank you.
Please do. Thank *you*
Read this book at the beginning of the Trump presidency. It has literally been a crash course guide to Trump’s political strategy. Scary to think about.
2+2=5. I will keep zapping you until you believe it.
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984
What about he who controls the comments?
^^ lol
Thank you.
He who controls the comments, controls nothing of value.
Now testify!
I think it also has to do with creating apathy. When it feels like everything may be untrue, you stop caring.
The cumulative effects of this is especially devastating when it's being caused by the president of the United States!
good point, it definitely worked for me in my country. i barely have any hope next thing you know i may not even vote.
@@bensoncheung2801 What an idiotic attempt at deflection! Eh comonrade?!
The whole point of "the big lie" is the basis that most people can't comprehend that anyone would lie so big. If you tell small lies, people will know it, but say something so outrageously false, and people will think, "Why would he say that and expect me to believe it? Maybe he's telling the truth."
Rocco Ryg hmmm, interesting point
To be fair, "most" of the people know it is a lie. Either they have a particular interest in that ideology or they are reaping the advantages from those lies. So, they keep quiet to maintain status quo instead of giving up their advantage for the truth.
@@nartinnecromancer3683 its a shitstorm lol
I don’t think its that with the voter fraud allegation. The point is the person making the claim has the easy job. The people who have to refute it have to do more work. Its similar to the claim that the far side of the moon is made of cheese. Making the claim is easy. Debunking takes more effort.
reverse reverse psychology
*_'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.'_* --- *George Carlin*
That's not technically correct. The median is the number that tells you that half of the population are above and below that number.... but it's a great line anyway :)
Dont think it gets dumber than being named Kim Jong fun
Yes, depends on whether one's referring to mean, median or mode.
Yes but surely, I am better than average
Whereas I see the North Korean leaders as appalling excuses for human beings, thousands of years of history have turned up some at least equally evil people, like Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler, Stalin and Hitler.
gaslighting on like a national scale
by democrats. Yo)
@@Funkojazzist Source?
Dems are the ones trying to cancel everyone. So it’s the dems. Not the Rs
@@trashbank6148 real life.
So if you don't have the physical resources or knowledge to prove or disprove something that a highly successful person says, the highly successful person must always be correct. By default, being successful means you are always correct according to observers who are not as successful.
For four years I’ve watched American politics, for four years I tried to piece it up together, try to understand the full situation.
I had all the pieces of the puzzle, but I just couldn’t find the reason *why* they made so many lies and link it to the consequences. Now, everything fits, everything makes again. This video teaches us something no one should be ignorant of.
It needs to be taught, to everyone. I hear way too many people claiming that truth and objective reality don't exist.
@@AyCe it particularly annoys me when people say that. Funnily enough, we discussed this very claim in my philosophy class not so long ago and the professor explained to us how it was a contradiction. I believe this quote best summarizes it : “If the only truth is that there is no truth, then the truth that nothing is true cannot be true”.
In other words, there is truth. Only, people don't make the distinction between reality and what is perceived, interpreted and opinionated of it.
@@Paonporteur well, there's that, but also because until 2016, I wasn't old enough to really understand politics.
Firehosing is like high speed gaslighting. It's so gross.
I'm much more experienced with gaslighting not so much with firehosing but it seems that firehosing IS high speed gaslighting, not like.
The fundamental problem is that people prioritize tribalism over honesty. Truth is almost always going to be secondary when the main goal is to make your side look good, and the other side look bad.
...But of course, only the other side does that, not mine.
Life is Sour Then you are not a populist its populism which creates these lies both right and left, then both right and left use each other as a constant negative feedback loop to create a victim complex and an enemy for each side. The problem is those that are not populist simply are not loud enough to break through the constant crying of the populists
It's unfortunate.
It’s been “Party over Policy”
Ukraine: "Hey! That's OUR peninsula!"
Putin: "You never had a peninsula."
mike noakes it makes sense
Benjamin Figgins make sense
Young Alek makes SeNSe
@@youngalek4434 1. It's not about history, it's about violating international laws and your obligations
2. Crimea belonged to Crimean khanate, which was run by Crimean tatars,they always were a close geopolitical neighbor for Ukrainian states (Hetmanshyna, Ukrainian Cossacks), sometimes they sided with Ukrainians in wars against Russia (for example when Ukrainian Cossack Pylyp Orlyk was in power in 18th century)
3. Ukraine as a republic conquered and had Crimea as it's territory before 1954 (Crimean operation 1918)
4. We can get back to the period of Rus/Ruthenia (also an ancestor of Ukraine) which also had influence on Crimea
@@youngalek4434 we also can mention the fact that Crimea was massively populated by Russians while Crimeans have been deported which is significant
The "hitting yourself" bit is perfect. The symptom of that makes you feel like being in the Twilight Zone.
3 19 20 Hey WolvesTM, I feel as though it's the s**t-show BIZZARO World nightmare that I'm unable to wake-up from. Oh, I can't because it's "real-life"! Stay & be well. v
The idea is to get you to stop questioning critically.. if you accept, OR dismiss out of hand.. they've done their job. It's about stopping that nasty habit of thinking.
The media created Trump, and he gave them a show: now they're having buyers remorse?
*YOU NEVER HAD A SANDWICH* 😤
SANDWICHES DON'T EXIST, YOU DON'T EXIST!
PFFFF, IDIOT, THINKING SANDWICHES EXIST. BETTER LISTEN TO ME! I WOULD NEVER STEAL A NON-EXISTENT THING. FOOL.
Looks like Trump is just another slimey politician. He's definitely not draining the swamp. He pulled the bait and switch, just like Stalin. Thankfully there are many democrat House and Senate nominees that are willing to drain the swamp.
NO SANDWICH! NO SANDWICH! YOU'RE A SANDWICH!
Broooooo. I was mind blown for a full minute
*There is no war is Ba Sing Sei*
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
Someone stole this and used it on the collusion video. This is the correct way of using it! 😂👏🏾👍🏽
Good one!
Avatar has the best life lessons! :)
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I agree
"There is no good and evil. Only power and those too weak to seek it."
- Voldemort.
Bhavesh Khatnani not everyone wants power. I’d take peace and prosperity over power anyday
@@wattsnottaken1 so would I :D
the fact that at first, i thought that it was a trump quote and that if it was, it kinda would have made sense is bad
@@wattsnottaken1 me too
@@wattsnottaken1 You can never have peace and prosperity without power. Power creates that. Power creates fear of doing bad things that will go against peace and prosperity. Power is behind *everything*.
Because people would rather be lied to and feel right, than told the truth and reevaluate their stance.
It's the only logical reasoning why in the 21st century, with the internet of unlimited knowledge and perspectives, we still choose to be in bubbles or "safe spaces".
True that.
That’s racist
Exactly like safe spaces for "minorities", or when students burns down half a city because they do not want someone to speak.
What Trump is doing is a presidential version of basically "anyone who disagrees with me, anyone that do not share my political views, anyone that criticizes me, is wrong". Well, the left has been doing that for quite some time too.
@@rodrigopaim82 to scrap it up to a left vs right issue is missing the point. This happens to everyone, rather they like to admit it or not. It's more of a general human thing, than a strictly political thing.
Seems overly simple but the mean (average) person is.
Sooooo in other words........gaslighting on steroids.
Pretty much
And it's working, because the press is exhausted.
No, there's a sophisticated term for that - "trolling" 😁
But it's been a useful exercise because we're all beginning to identify what's happening here. If we know what's going on we can protect ourselves. Simplifying these ideas into digestible terms like 'firehosing' will help spread awareness of this tactic.
I think that for most people the Putin/Trump approach feels so incomprehensible that it's nearly impossible to square with reality. It's such a departure from how most people approach human interaction that it's relentlessly infuriating. I personally feel that we're finally starting to see it as a tactic, and that's how we start to deal with it. This video was a great summary.
And at the end of the day I think the nation will get through this. It's a new challenge, but we'll figure it out.
@@pendejo6466 They're not the only ones who are exhausted.
The same thing is occurring in Brazil's presidential election, unfortunately we have someone infinitely worse than Trump called Bolsonaro.
Essa desgraça vai ganhar em primeiro turno.
Bolsonaro is going to save Brazil from socialist poverty.
You people are psychopaths.
roth bard pelo seu discurso dá pra perceber que você é da leva de pessoas que se informam apenas pelo facebook, whatsapp e youtube. Assimila o discurso de ódio e põe a culpa de todo mal existente na esquerda, tente ir além do que os outros vos falam e pense por si só.
Psicopata é o tipo de pessoa como você e os demais alienados que não conseguem ver o mundo de forma empática e escolhem proliferar o discurso de ódio que representa Bolsonaro.
Eu vi esse video e me lembrei automaticamente do Bolsonaro. Acredito tática dele e equipe não seja tão efetiva quanto a de Trump e Putin, mas certamente vai pelo mesmo caminho. Inclusive, o filho dele se encontrou com um dos mentores da campanha de Trump. Tempos sombrios estão por vir.
Eu amei que o vídeo tem legenda em português, bora fazer nossa parte... compartilhar ao máximo essas informações!
Donald Trump would make a horrible impostor in among us
Or a great one who knows
“I was scanning in electrical, tremendous scanner great scanner”
@@hilmao7344 "The best scanning I have ever scanned."
@@hilmao7344 "Everyone knows, I am the greatest scanner. Tremendous. Everyone says so."
Nah, he'd make an amazing imposter. If you watch him talk he's constantly deflecting and changing the subject, taking control of the conversation to divert it towards his own lies and away from anything that might incriminate him. And if you need any evidence that it's still working, just check the newest comments on this video.
6:39 - Trump's lies work because media debates that, rather than just stating verifiable facts.
Trump's lies work because the average person doesn't keep up with daily news. So they hear him tell the lie but then not the correction. So they spread the lie
Trump lies work, because the average person is not able to pick whats true and whats false from two oppositional explinaltions
Trump lies work because he tells his base what they want to hear. They hate non white immigration. So just dehumanize mexicans, blacks, muslims etc and tarnish the image of the entire communities if a single person from those communities commit a crime. It works and his base love it. the entire departments in NASA, SpaceX, fermiLabs, MIT, stanford, Google, silicon valley etc are mostly atheists and they hate what these fake christians stand for.. So they just laugh at them while debating climate change, air/water pollution, environmental protection acts etc saying brainwashed by liberal universities.
If i were a republican, i would definitely try to make money out of their illiteracy and bigotry. I mean IRS scammers do it, big corporations dealing with fuel based products and guns do it, fox news, breitbart etc do it and many youtubers make huge money out of it...
@@alexs1640 The daily media is how 80% of the lies get spread lol. You are the problem.
Hugh Jass I know, they say that we are living in an alternate reality, and they so convinced that this is true that they can't even see that they are living in one themselves. What they fail to understand is that Trump supporters/conservatives think that you shouldn't just believe the mainstream media, they are the ones that want the government to decide everything for them and intrude on their life. Hilariously they are using doublethink from 1984 but accuse everybody else of doing it. They are what Karl Marx referred to as "useful idiots."
This is the most depressing video you have posted to date.
Depression is not depression
Håkon Marcus the truth hurts
It may be one of the most important ones. People need to know what is going on.
Anything that drives liberals to depression is great!
Aaron Rosner what
I’m Russian and I agree with you. Things that are done by the Russian government are frightening
how did you get onto our servers to even see this video haha
Damon Carino I live in Germany
I was gonna say; “I hope you don’t get a knock on your door tonight”
you are so right, they run these regime changing wars, used atomic bombs, sprayed agent orange on people, and have countless military bases around the globe. They are number one arms dealer, invade countries under false pretenses, drop bombs on wedding ceremonies, put sanctions on countries to cause hunger and famine. They are horrible...
yesdvt yikes when you write it like that it you could be talking about America 😬
Me watching this now with a Ukrainian invasion 400% worse.
Most blatantly Orwellian thing ever.
Here's the thing: Russia lie, U.S./WEST lie, so what's the different ?? U.S. LIE FOR GOOD ??
Wow Rand Corporation: Have close relation to the PENTAGON.
Gaslighting on a global scale.
"Not constrained by reality" is the best description of Trump and Putin
Why do you think trump won?
I want to smell ur hair bb. #TRUMP2020 #MAGA
But isn't reality constructed by the observer as well? That's what quantum mechanics demonstrates in part.
Pendejo I've never studied quantum mechanics,however, I think there's three parts to reality: what you perceive, what they perceive, and what is.
@@Kasphs95
He won because there is distrust in the establishment, the feeling that globalization is bad for the US, nostalgia for the good ol' times (MAGA), xenophobia (the wall), evangelicals (they prefered him), gerrymandering and the emails Russia stole.
*and now Brazil*
Don’t tell about Brazil, you don’t know about our history and tragedies caused for left governments. Keep cooking your brain at CNN
@@Karolparis So are we gonna ignore how the Brazilian president is destroying the Amazon and denying it
@@jonathanflores3256 basically the entire world in indirectly destroying the planet itself.
Directly or not, everyone's guilty
@@leunamreyo3663 so he is just one of them Destroying the earth ...so it's true
@@Karolparis you're the second effect of firehosing
“The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it.” - Makarov
42 likes
@@bensoncheung2801 44 likes
Yes,
And 4 comments. (Ain't natural, but it's definitely kind of funny)
John 3:16-17 KJV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Trump: *”Reality can be whatever I want”*
Guiliani (7:26) is getting done tho
Sounds like a certain type of activist we see a lot of... lol Not mentioning any groups in particular xD
@William Linley At least their reality is not hurting anyone. Meanwhile: Trump ending a peaceful demonstration with rubber bullets and teargas to make a photo outside for his election campaign.
William Linley ah, the classic strategy of just attacking whoever the “bad guys” are instead of actually defending your opinions. Trump loves that one
@@multivitaminsaft1997 no he deliberately did it to spite peaceful black protestors as to make a statement to his racist fan base
Tell me about it(Chinese citizen here)
"TAIWAN!" :)
China fun?
There is no war in Ba Sing Sae
OrganicSoulJazz they’re making an avatar kyoshi novel, 2 actually
That's amazing
Wow, gaslighting on a national scale. That's scary.
“President Obama did *not* found ISIS” I can’t
Can;t what?
Trump said that Obama and Clinton “founded” ISIS as a repudiation of their inaction in the early days of ISIS. This meaning was understood by anyone who heard his speech. He was clearly not suggesting that either one was in Syria holding meetings or organizing war parties. When media act like he was saying something different from what he was really saying it makes media less trustworthy.
Yes, he didn't
@@owenkeller2748 you are following a clown whose madness is infecting millions.
Truth = truth
Opinions = false
This strategy was used in Qin court more than 2000 years ago. A powerful official declared a deer was a horse(he brought a deer to the court and said "this is a horse"). Anyone claimed differently was killed later. So yes, public lying has always been about power.
What fascinates me is those who believe the lies without being coerced.
Well said.
Trump has invoked the idea of violence multiple times too. Good reference.
@@thorkrynu4551 And the left that actually did violent acts?!? You just gonna gloss that over?
@@RushGamma what Kathy Griffen? Ok Richard Spencer getting punched isn't ok as much as he deserved it.
Now if you read that statement in relation to all of Bill and Hillary's crimes, IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
you know who else called journalists "enemies of the people" :/
The Daily Mail?
@Giffica it's so refreshing someone actually mention this. I remember when most people agreed that the MSM lies but half of them stopped believing this as soon as Trump stood up to the media.
Yeah, Putin and Xi.
"you know who else called journalists 'enemies of the people' :/" Anyone who despises the constant lies of the media.
Tim Rhydderch Trump never used the term "Journalists", he said "FAKE NEWS is the enemy of the people" which is factually correct. The propaganda has worked well on you my friend.
This ages well
So basically we are in 1984
The Automaticist
Just look at the facts,
The democrats are claiming russua hacked theire election and used propoganda to misslead the people and make them vote for the wrong person.
Dont americans understand that if theire election is so frail that basement dwelling trolls can meme theire hero into the whitehouse.. That your election system maybe need alitle change..
Instead of the " come cast your ballot and il take them into that windowless room and count them for you" election system.
You could have elections that is not corruptable. Why does americans insist on having corrupt able elections?
Its not 1984, its just a bunch of retarded americans who Have an avrage iq of a dead fish whit a credit card.
No it is 2018 u libtard
Aguila701 nah,
The world has had enough autistic grammar nazis.
We dont need anymore.
Just fyi: everyone reads your answer as : i know i cant disproove what your saying, but luckly you made a spelling error so i dont have to Adress your points. ( the sadness inside takes another bite of his soul)
Your a bad person, and you should feel bad.
no
spunky hero if you are going to insult people’s intelligence, make sure you can at least spell at a middle school level so people take you seriously.
Why not fight fire with fire?
People: You're not president
Trump: I am
People: Nope, and this is not your car
Trump: Are you stealing my car?
People: *drives off*
George Asamoah-Awuah
Falling to his level is less than ideal.
The real solution is to stop giving him the mic. Report on the president's actions and not his words.
Because he has money and the US courts are where such disputes are settled. And if you have fortunes with which to fight him, he has the political power to undermine your fortunes.
What you need to understand is that it's about power. The Donald's morality is power (particularly financial power). You need to attack him there.
Is this supposed to be intelligent, funny, or informative? It's none of those things.
+Kevin Laity
Breaking: Trumps banned from Twitter.
Trump presidency. By George Orwell
No Huxley. 1984 is about communism
How?
*Putin's presidency
@@Bedlam83 Communism, fascism same thing
no
To quote George Orwell “Ignorance is Strength” but to make it easier for everyone to understand “[Our] ignorance is [their] strength”
This reminds me of ‘1984’, where society has reached a point in which reality has become subjective as a result of constant state propaganda. With the advent of the internet and prevalence of ‘fake news’, it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to distinguish between reality and fiction, which leads many people to resigning themselves to simply not knowing. What worries me about this is that, at least personally, it has encouraged me to become politically neutral which is just what leaders like Trump need- an acquiescing population to allow them to cement their control.
If you simply get your news from reputable, highly factual sources, you should be all right. PBS, NPR, BBC, Washington Post, The Atlantic, New York Times, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, Vox, Salon, The Hill, the New Yorker...
@@Jack-Lack there are no reputable news outlets, with the possible exception of The Onion.
@@Jack-Lack It's not as though one outlet is more biased then any other, all they ever do is offer an isolated and popularized perspective on problems that have offered many angles of observation. If you want true, undiluted or unrefined news just read statistics off the census Bureau.
@@decatessara5029 Some outlets are indeed more biased and less factual than others. You are making a serious false equivalence fallacy. Although we have some Fascists like Trump attacking the credibility of reputable journalism, and we have Trump and Putin utilizing this firehose of falsehood tactic to overwhelm fact-checkers and normalize lying, there is still such a thing as facts. You seem to want to advance their goals of diminishing what it is to be factual. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@Jack-Lack people don't watch news to learn facts, they want stories. And that's what they get.
From the UK - this also sounds a lot like the Brexit campaign tactics
Yeah its right wing populism ironically for nationalists they are a globally linked drone that uses the same tactics wherever they are to indoctrinate people
sounds like remain calming world war three would break out when we leave.
If u can link me to where remainers said WW3 will break out that would be great
Alex Jones, there was supposed to be an emergency budget if the UK voted to leave, it would be catastrophic. None of which came to pass.
here ya go.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607
"As to who's being believed you can trust no one" -- Putin.
"Just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. Just stick with us." -- Trump
More terrific analysis from Vox. Thank you guys.
I've always automatically assumed everything Trump or Putin says is a lie until someone credible says it's not a lie.
You shouldn't assume anything. That it's a lie or not a lie.
Is that "someone credible" a morning tv host or a late night comedian?
I love this strategy!
Who judges who is "credible" and who isn't?
how many things has putin lied about? personally i always saw trump as a good salesman that will some times stick his foot in his mouth and do so proudly and putin as a guy who is simply trying to look out for struggling russia, even if it means facing off with the western empire currently ran by the usa
This is one of the best videos about truth and lies and power.
Ironically it is made by Vox who might as well be liars but prefer to say selective viewing
@@derger8610 you just dont like the truth and what they are saying go kick rocks
Right. This video uses the same techniques it supposedly abjures, and you just eat it right up.
Congratulations! Your brain just been electronically dry-cleaned.
David Otness What lies? And if so, are they relevant to Trump?
David Otness really? What was wrong about what they said in this video?
Good one Carlos. You kept your argument consistent and presented your facts clearly, with a level head. I liked this one a lot.
Conservatives say the opposite.
Satire right?
EGALE Certainly not.
@@traffic501 This really has to be satire
conservatives are also retarded.
Hey Vox. How about an episode on how this can be effectively countered?
ask questions think critically know and spot the techniques behind it. propaganda may try to blindfold you, but if you at least know you're not seeing the truth, that propaganda is not working.
To be truthful it cant be "effectively countered" anytime soon. With Trump in office and spineless Republicans controlling congress he holds nearly complete power. The only way to fix this is to vote Democrat and get him impeached so real reform can take place.
This kind of lying is a bullying tactic and an attack on the normal rule in regards to lying. A normal lie is a coworker eating your lunch, getting caught on camera, and having to confess, because the rules are, once your falsehood has been proven you have to concede. Even someone at work who is popular and in a position of power over you would have to concede when they've been proven wrong ... right? THIS is someone not following that rule and holding their ground that they did not steal the food. Not only are you forced to sound like a ninny as they don't follow the rules and concede when proven false, humiliating you, (and forcing you to repeat the lie in your fact checking) they are out there distracting with their own accusations, leveraging all their power, and making it into a social conflict where facts don't matter. It is already too late to just ignore Trump. So all I can really think of is finding a way to undercut the childlessness and win the social conflict.
Nothing. Trump has the power, so suck it.
I don’t imagine there is a simple solution to counter it. But it probably involves gaining analytical skills.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." -Certain German man we all know
I see you've read mein kampf
@@kjl3080 I thought you would've said minecraft
@@animeamv6438 NO PLEASE THAT SOUNDS SO CURSED
WAR IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
no
It's from the book 1984.
@@MrCal2648 No, it's from Nineteen Eighty-Four.
"HILLARY IS 98% TO WIN!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAA!!!!
"I had the biggest inauguration crowd in history. PERIOD!"
This is such a good question, and I think the answer is actually really insidious (haven't finished the video yet):
When someone is able to get away with blatantly lying and not having to be grounded in objective reality, it is hugely demoralizing for his enemies and takes away their sense of agency. People don't respond well to feeling like they're playing a rigged game.
By using this tactic over and over again, an autocrat effectively consolidates power by convincing the rest of the community that society is rigged towards him / her, and that they have no choice but to play along.
There is no power, in any real sense, being generated by the populace of the community and given to the autocrat, nor is it even fair to say that the power is being "stolen" from the people. Rather, the autocrat simply becomes relatively more powerful by by detaching everyone else from their own power.
Well the autocract just marginalize truth seekers in eyes of his supporters. If he would care about the truth, he would prove their power but if he does not care he can slowly make them marginal by ignoring them. He can even want to force media to start a war with him because then he can turn his supporters against media and make anathing he say True as there is new truth value, tribialism, we against them, the power and fear of powerlessness
Great comment. I've never looked at it that way.
Great comment, not sure if you're right, but you're thought process is excellent. Kudos! I would add that conspiracy theories bond you, give you agency, and a sense of urgency. Autocrats always peddle conspiracy theories. The immediacy of conspiracy theories allows you to break social norms for the good of the country.
So you telling me to join the side who create this lying tactic because of one stupid man who used this tactic against them?
If you stupid enough to don't know who was the first people who used it and come to power I will tell you. The lenin and Hitler. Clearly left idiots who stand against freedom of individuals and capital. The basics principle of ideology that those people is focus on rights and goods for scoial groups instead of rights of individuals. Which means that those people don't see you as an intellegent self caring creature, so they will never respect you, and will never care about your rights, identity or anything else that matter to you but don't matter to them.
And sorry for my English, leftists destroyed my country's education so I learned it myself, which means some issues)
This is honestly the best explanation I've seen of this baffling phenomenon.
"Russia was essentially invading a country they had said they were not going to invade"... Oh how time flies
“Lies are bad” -Yoda
Bad, lies are
-Yoda
This is 1984 double speak, 100% the same thing
And don't forget doublethink
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.”
or to put it in simpler terms "Karma's a b***h".
@@NetMoverSitan in this case Karma would be a saving Grace
I'm from the future. People are now dying by the thousands because Trump thought he could lie a pandemic away.
This quote rings more true than ever.
scary reality, isn't it
@@NetMoverSitan Bingo
"Russia was essentially invading a country they were saying they were not going to invade"
I don't know, this sounds hard to believe.
Truth isn’t truth? Isn’t truth absolute? Goddamn! This administration will go down in history as the worst administration so far.
no, research history, I can think of five that are way worse.
@Clorox Bleach: Gaslighting in a comment related to propaganda? You got balls. You got serious balls.
Inhales *WRONG*
You'd think Obama didnt have his share of disgrace? Look in the mirror and tell me you dont have stupidity writen in that face of yers.
but those jobs, secure borders, lower taxes, record low unemployment, and good economy tho'
Truth: from the West Saxon "treowð : faith," from the earlier proto-Germanic "treuwaz : having good faith." The idea of truth being "factually accurate" is new to the lexicon.
Orwell literally warned us about this in 1984
I've commented the same
That book came out _50_ years ago. It scared generations of humans. It made us keep an eye open on what the heck we are told.
But if we dont listen , and if we dont fight for our freedom... our world would become even more hellish than what is described there 😔
2 + 2 = 5
Oh and i wish this won't happen anytime soon
Telling lies?
No papa!
@@TheGamingParadise22 open your mouth
Eating sugar
OPEN YOUR MOUTH SON
PowahSlap Entertainmint CONSUMING THE SOULS OF UNBAPTIZED NEWBORNS?
“Truth isn’t truth” hmmmm, you’re sounding dangerously Orwellian there Guliani
Carl sagan warned us of this 20 years ago
Winston Churchill said that the future Nazis will call themselves anti-nazis :) :).
@@pegoe7784 Churchill never said that, at all.
@@pegoe7784 I don't think this video was meant as instructions for how to lie effectively, but rather a warning about such behavior. But you do you/Trump/Putin.
Hmm, this is interesting.
I can imagine, next "true" is about picking a side.
Nobody cares about fact.
"I choose this side, so you are false."
So scary..
You've left out a critical aspect of the “firehose of falsehood.”
Why do some of us see through it and how we can have the rest of us, or the majority at least, see that too.
This must be the single most important goal of the current generation.
God help us.
Maybe because the majority of us is still confused as to what is the truth. We are confused as to who we are and why we are here. If we all know the truth, then the world would see what are lies and what is the truth. The truth is that there is no separation between us. We are all one. When we see we are all one, we will see that we wronged ourselves and feel pain of all the wronged. Being citizens of a country is an illusion. We are all connected and it’s obvious. This pandemic is proof we are all connected. An invention from one person can affect millions, billions, of people like a computer or a car. When we stop giving power to separation, then we will find empathy and we will take away the powers of people who uses separation against us. We will work towards the light, out of awareness that we were in the dark. It is not me versus the world. We are the world.
It seems like the firehose of faleshood depends on only some people believing the lies/not all the lies being believed. Gullible people and authoritarians believe the lies, people with two brain cells to rub together and a modicum of conscience aren't swept in but are still left looking weak and feeling humiliated. It's a win-win scenario, until reality catches up to them. (although that doesn't actually explain "why" people react differently..)
@@minty9003 👏 such an amazing message! We all have things in common with each other, and instead of being separated, let's appreciate each other for what we really are!
How this has aged
The example of the bully asking "why are you hitting yourself" is perfect! Better than perfect! It is not only an example that we all know, but it illustrates all the points so well!
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth" - V Lenin
His successors took a good note of that though
@@lostaccount7323 yeah, I guess they used it as a tool rather than a useful way of analysis
Trump and his administration are using Putin's Playbook on how to become a dictator word for word
@@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 A populist* dictators are the ones like Ortega.
"Local Defence Forces".😂😂
Imagine a Trump supporter with a disability in that exact rally, where he made fun of a disabled reporter.
I was. I decided not to vote at all.
@@kuroneko334 Good.
@@kuroneko334 His racist was comments wasn’t enough ?
@@mariahyohannes they dont care obviously. where is the empathy??
Shout out to you Carlos for continuing to make great videos! I know your projects, including strikethrough, are often met with mass dislikes because of internet culture, but I'm glad that hasn't made you shy away from speaking the truth and sharing factual and substantive information! You do have fans here, so keep it up!
Comments should be interesting. Im going in. Pray for me.
2 types of people in the comments: Those who have read 1984 and those who need to read 1984.
So far so good with the comments!
‘yeah you’d know about being bullied!’ ‘i sure would, thank you’ ohmygod
"YOU NEVER HAD A SANDWICH"
NEVER
You never had a sandwich!
If this isn't Orwellian I don't know what is. What is America, now, truly?
I like to think that I'm intelligent enough to know facts and understand what a lie is. What upsets me about Trump, besides his policies is that young people have to listen to this fool, especially my grandchildren.
Intelligence is rare these days. Back in the day, citing sources (And checking up on them yourself) was important for accuracy. I learned that in college! Now it's "anonymous source this" and "anonymous source" that, which doth butter no turnips. Blind faith is dangerous.
Doody Stainz No way, bud. His downfall is imminent.
but at least they'll have decent jobs and won't be missing meals.
Anonymous sources have always existed in the papers. Some people might want to talk to the media but they fear that their job or reputation would suffer if their names were revealed. Journalists need to maintain a relationship of trust with these sources by protecting their anonymity and maintain a relationship of trust with the public by maintaining integrity. Trump has been eroding these relationships by consistently attacking the news media because he wants you to be unable to trust them and rely instead on feelings rather than the truth
Wow. You people must have had a whole room of people put their heads together for that one. Who are you? The Chinese? Iranians? Paid DNC domestics? I think the phrase we're really looking for, is, 'calling a spade a spade'. Trump wouldn't be able to trash the mainstream media IF THEY'D STOP LYING. But here we are!
my parents raised me on this principle. it's called "I'm always right"
In India this happens in ridiculous levels.
I was looking for you................
I mean any indian would comment.
There is also a lot of rape. It is very sad place.
Just listen to their hyper media and you will know about this idea
Milan Ajay India level:- god tier for doing something like this
Propaganda is amazing. People can be led to believe anything.
Basically lol 😂 😂.
Yeah, YOU'RE above the propaganda, ha ha ha...
Thats why there are so many conservatives out there. All have been brainwashed by their savior.
Just like these Vox videos...
Inb4 reactionaries flood this video with dislikes and hate comments because they said something bad about daddy trump.
TakTheBandit Naaaaa I haven’t seen the whole vid and I don’t intend to leave a rating.
As an Australian who doesn't have a dog in this fight either way... (A.K.A: A neutral viewpoint) This video seems rather ironic. By that, I mean this video is not coming from a neutral perspective which in of itself means the video is trying to prove a point that in the case of this video is: 'Trump is bad and anything he says is a lie'. That seems to be propaganda.
Have you read his tweets?
Funny how you immunize yourself with ignorance and bigotry. The same thing you accuse Trump supporters of. Sad.
There's a surprising absence of Trumpkins here. Weird.
This aged interestingly..
Inb4 people ignore the argument (because they can’t argue against it) and start insulting the guy for how he looks
WovenTenacity you can't take these arguments seriously when they always come from people who are jewish/gay. Why is it always a jewish expert voicing these kinds of opinions?
Id say vox has as much bullshit as CNN.
+Proclivity Well your screen name makes your opinion super compelling.
Narrator aka my hot daddy bling just saying
@@fkostyuk why do people always prove they don't want to know the truth but want to be prove right?
"Say a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, it becomes taken as the truth"
Kinda feels like Orwell's 1984... and I'm scared.
"You looked in the chat for debate and found quotes." - Peachu, 2021
Actually 1776 is on my side…! I have books and documents to prove it! The capitol rioters are right! That they are on the wrong side of freedom…and now Congress can’t even speak with them… you wonder why??? I already know!
This is also known as marketing. This is something that ad agencies are very experienced with.
Companies can’t blatantly lie about their products. It’s against the law.
I’ve worked in marketing, you can loose your job or business doing what trump does. Marketing is all about the small things, example: calling a small house cozy or part of a new movement like the tiny house movement. Stuff like that, but trump says things like, “if you buy this house your neighbor will pay the mortgage.” He’s a whole different kind of lying.
@@DoubleGoon Actually they can. Its called perspective, shopping surveys, cherry picking data,...
And many have lied without false facts from those sources. Think of tobacco, pain killers, toxic waste in its many forms, vehicle safety, etc. True, some of these were brought to justice, but not all.
digiryde certainly you’re both correct. It is against the law to lie in advertisements but no, you won’t always get caught and even if you do the damage might have already been done. I think that’s what we’re experiencing right now in the world of politics as well.
They don't lie blatantly ,they've worked their way around that problem,but they still lie. It's their choice of words that change the consumers perspective of a reality.
_George Orwell has joined the chat_
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So THATS why people deny the holocaust
U saying it’s a lie?
@@steveconnor1076 No. OP is calling out those who think so.
@Ali I think this is exactly the correct thing to bring up, its something so horrible, so awful, that you could never believe it without being shown the evidence, but sometimes "personal experience" aka living near it and not knowing about it. Makes it seem so unbelieveable.
@Ali its what we get taught in school for years that sticks with us
@Ali nanking has had comparison in terms of cruelty. That one is denied by the very people who committed it.
The reason why they fixate on the holocaust is because US history lessons fixate on WWII and the holocaust. That’s all there is to it. They just don’t know much else in terms of deadly conflicts.
folks get it every day from commercial advertising, it's the same technique, so their brains have become susceptible