Basically war time strength ( 280 000) means personnel with fixed units and gear who can be called in fast. Mostly reservists, who typically have a week or two exercises every now and then after conscription . Additionally we have about 900 000 reservists = people who have completed at least conscription and are younger than 60.
The most accurate description I have seen for a while. However, there was an occasion back in 2015 when the defense forces sent a letter to all reservists and the total number was roughly 900 000. That includes the 280 000 war time units. However the exact figure is difficult to estimate - younger generations are a bit smaller and then the maximum age used to be 50 for most and 60 only for officers. Now I think it might be 60 also for NCOs.
@@sampohonkala4195 They where discussing to rise that 60 to 65 because of what have happened in Ukraine. I'm an NCO and I think it's a good idea ti do just that. We are much healthier than 60 old people where some 50 years ago. There is a say that 50 is the new 60....i believe it's even more difference between us..
@@sampohonkala4195 Like in Wartime I will serve but during peacetime they can't call me up... long story got injured during the army and had to leave after 183days because it didn't heal. So I assume there are more of us out there. I know that when I was born we were at like 1.1m but 20% is still almost 1.2m. Then back when I was trained there was not that many sitting at computers or doing light tasks like operating drones so they would call in the rest then even if they maybe got papers 20 years ago saying they cant serve the situation has changed so that there is places now that even someone in a wheelchair could work at. My point is that computers have changed a lot in 20-42 years, like one of my friends that did civil service. Yes he did not fit in back in the day but today he would be perfect for the "computer information side", like he started coding as 10, started his first company as 13 and together with me we built the firewall system for some old "laboratory machines" but him in a forest or getting along with others would never happen but today I assume there is a huge demand of those able to program stuff(computer nerds we called em back then). Edit: I tried to stay but gave up after 60x10 burana, I had the option to come again when the injury would have healed(still when I carry weight it can start to hurt so something broke) so now 20 years later I can say that I made the right choice to do 7 months of civil service instead of trying again.
Finland was well integrated to Nato before joining as an full member, because Finland joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994. Year before even becoming member of European Union... Army, airforce and everything was well integrated to Nato systems and equipments before even thinking joining Nato. Wikipedia has good set of information about it on Finland-NATO_relations page. AK looking gun is RK62 or RK95. The RK62, commercially M62, is an assault rifle manufactured by Valmet and Sako. It is the standard issue infantry weapon of the Finnish Defence Forces. The RK 62 was designed in 1957-1962 by a Valmet engineer Lauri Oksanen[3] and is based on the Polish licensed version of the Soviet AK-47 design. The RK 62 uses the same 7.62×39mm cartridge as the AK-47. The RK 95 TP (from Finnish Rynnäkkökivääri 95 taittoperä, 'Assault Rifle 95 folding stock'), officially 7.62 RK 95 TP and commercially known as the M95, is a 7.62×39mm Finnish assault rifle adopted in relatively small numbers by the Finnish Defence Forces in the 1990s. The rifle was developed in the late 1980s in response to a requirement to replace the 7.62mm RK 62 service rifle. Between 1988 and 1990, the SAKO company developed the M90 prototype, which was a substantially upgraded variant of the RK 62. Greetings from Finland.
@DarthTigger No need to feel bad or compare the size of fighting force (per capita or otherwise) between Finland and Canada. It's just a product of geopolitical realities. We have had to have comparatively large and capable military because of Russia. That's the only reason really. Anyways, nice commentary all in all. :)
Must say that we Finns have always been ready for an attack. All my relatives always said to NEVER trust the Soviets/Russians. I was in the Finnish Border Guards military unit in the early 1990:s and during the fall of Soviet Unions. I guarded the border in Karelian Istmus and Lapland Ivalo. Soviet communist tried to take the power and the tanks rolled into the Red Square in Moscow and they start shooting at the communist that tried to have a coup D'Etat and they took Gorbatjov and put him on house arrest. They didn't want that Soviet Union was coming to an end. They promised to take back the borders of 1917 aswell. That ment that Finland was to become a part of Soviet Unions, if they had been successful. So we where on high alert and we had to guard the borders and we could not leave the military area at all, through all that time. We really believed that it could be a serious thing. Even if not the military was to attack Finland, many thought we had to stop all all the potential Soviet /Russian refugees with brut force if needed. Boris Jeltsin was the one that stabilized it all in the end. He become famous when he was standing on a T72 tank and held a speach to the Russian soldiers in the Red Square. But what's happening now is not something we didn't believe could ever happen. That's why Finland continued with conscript as of nothing was changed. We have learned what Kreml is all about... Never trust no Russian in Kreml. Slava Ukraine and Canada 💪🙏
Both Finland and Sweden have taken part in NATO exercisers before they became members(Partnership for Peace). Since Canada don't have land border with a hostile it might be hard to argue for a large military.
Wartime Strength is how many soldiers can operate at the same time. About 870,000 Finns belong to the reserve. The strength of the Defense Forces during the war is 280,000 soldiers, and the strength is supplemented by other reservists if necessary.
yes finland has been training with nato countries for a very long time, as has always been basically and ally to nato. Now when NATO has joined Finland, they have just increased interoperability and collaboration. The Finnish military and soldiers' discipline and effectiveness is on par with, and in most cases even surpasses that of other, much larger militaries, like the US for example, and american/nato officers and representatives have always been mind boggled with how a bunch of 19 year old boys with 1 year military training can be so effective, many times demolishing their opponents like US marines during war games, and regularly placing in the top of international military competitions.
The new version of the M72 law (M72 EC) is still more than capable of taking out IFVs and APCs. Maybe even some tanks if you hit from behind and of course you can take out road wheels etc.
yeah but artillery is artillery, dosent really matter, What really is the important part is the amount of rounds you can shoot. For example Russia shoots around 10,000 rounds a day in Ukraine (arount 1/3 are duds i think) even if they are older models aroud 6,000 rounds a day is still varry bad for the oponent.
When Finland lost the continuation war against USSR in ww2, they signed some agreements and one was that borderguard cant be part of the military. But its just a flip of an invisible button and they are if ever needed to. Military service for example include training of border guards.
Oh, It's the finnish variant of Ak, RK-62 it is considered the most reliable of ak variants. Why, what are you canadians using then? M16's? :D Anyways we've heard about canada here also. Were they part of the ww II or was it france? Anyways we've been ready for 80 years. So really no need to worry bout how we shoulder our bags there buddy. Thanks for looking out for us back there ;).
Canada currently uses The C7A2 5.56 Nato (Basically a hardened M16 style) The C8 Carbine (Short barrel) The C9 Fully automatic Belt fed SAW with a 200 round drum, The C6 7.62 Nato Belt Fed MG, and a host of other weapons.
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Finland has invested in civil defence, too, like Helsinki has a massive bunker network: th-cam.com/video/4c8fepchRwY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fgnSrqA0Gs8QB1An Building bomb shelters is mandatory in Finland, my apartment complex has two shelters for the residents.
@@DarthTigger The bunkers/shelters have been a part of every day life here, so you haven't really thought about it - until RUS started the war. Before, you heard complaints how expensive it's to build the mandatory bomb shelters but you don't hear that anymore.
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Basically war time strength ( 280 000) means personnel with fixed units and gear who can be called in fast. Mostly reservists, who typically have a week or two exercises every now and then after conscription . Additionally we have about 900 000 reservists = people who have completed at least conscription and are younger than 60.
The most accurate description I have seen for a while. However, there was an occasion back in 2015 when the defense forces sent a letter to all reservists and the total number was roughly 900 000. That includes the 280 000 war time units. However the exact figure is difficult to estimate - younger generations are a bit smaller and then the maximum age used to be 50 for most and 60 only for officers. Now I think it might be 60 also for NCOs.
@@sampohonkala4195 They where discussing to rise that 60 to 65 because of what have happened in Ukraine.
I'm an NCO and I think it's a good idea ti do just that. We are much healthier than 60 old people where some 50 years ago.
There is a say that 50 is the new 60....i believe it's even more difference between us..
@@sampohonkala4195 Like in Wartime I will serve but during peacetime they can't call me up... long story got injured during the army and had to leave after 183days because it didn't heal. So I assume there are more of us out there. I know that when I was born we were at like 1.1m but 20% is still almost 1.2m. Then back when I was trained there was not that many sitting at computers or doing light tasks like operating drones so they would call in the rest then even if they maybe got papers 20 years ago saying they cant serve the situation has changed so that there is places now that even someone in a wheelchair could work at. My point is that computers have changed a lot in 20-42 years, like one of my friends that did civil service. Yes he did not fit in back in the day but today he would be perfect for the "computer information side", like he started coding as 10, started his first company as 13 and together with me we built the firewall system for some old "laboratory machines" but him in a forest or getting along with others would never happen but today I assume there is a huge demand of those able to program stuff(computer nerds we called em back then).
Edit: I tried to stay but gave up after 60x10 burana, I had the option to come again when the injury would have healed(still when I carry weight it can start to hurt so something broke) so now 20 years later I can say that I made the right choice to do 7 months of civil service instead of trying again.
Finland was well integrated to Nato before joining as an full member, because Finland joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994. Year before even becoming member of European Union... Army, airforce and everything was well integrated to Nato systems and equipments before even thinking joining Nato. Wikipedia has good set of information about it on Finland-NATO_relations page.
AK looking gun is RK62 or RK95.
The RK62, commercially M62, is an assault rifle manufactured by Valmet and Sako. It is the standard issue infantry weapon of the Finnish Defence Forces. The RK 62 was designed in 1957-1962 by a Valmet engineer Lauri Oksanen[3] and is based on the Polish licensed version of the Soviet AK-47 design. The RK 62 uses the same 7.62×39mm cartridge as the AK-47.
The RK 95 TP (from Finnish Rynnäkkökivääri 95 taittoperä, 'Assault Rifle 95 folding stock'), officially 7.62 RK 95 TP and commercially known as the M95, is a 7.62×39mm Finnish assault rifle adopted in relatively small numbers by the Finnish Defence Forces in the 1990s. The rifle was developed in the late 1980s in response to a requirement to replace the 7.62mm RK 62 service rifle. Between 1988 and 1990, the SAKO company developed the M90 prototype, which was a substantially upgraded variant of the RK 62.
Greetings from Finland.
@DarthTigger No need to feel bad or compare the size of fighting force (per capita or otherwise) between Finland and Canada. It's just a product of geopolitical realities. We have had to have comparatively large and capable military because of Russia. That's the only reason really. Anyways, nice commentary all in all. :)
Must say that we Finns have always been ready for an attack. All my relatives always said to NEVER trust the Soviets/Russians. I was in the Finnish Border Guards military unit in the early 1990:s and during the fall of Soviet Unions.
I guarded the border in Karelian Istmus and Lapland Ivalo.
Soviet communist tried to take the power and the tanks rolled into the Red Square in Moscow and they start shooting at the communist that tried to have a coup D'Etat and they took Gorbatjov and put him on house arrest. They didn't want that Soviet Union was coming to an end.
They promised to take back the borders of 1917 aswell.
That ment that Finland was to become a part of Soviet Unions, if they had been successful.
So we where on high alert and we had to guard the borders and we could not leave the military area at all, through all that time.
We really believed that it could be a serious thing.
Even if not the military was to attack Finland, many thought we had to stop all all the potential Soviet /Russian refugees with brut force if needed.
Boris Jeltsin was the one that stabilized it all in the end.
He become famous when he was standing on a T72 tank and held a speach to the Russian soldiers in the Red Square.
But what's happening now is not something we didn't believe could ever happen.
That's why Finland continued with conscript as of nothing was changed.
We have learned what Kreml is all about... Never trust no Russian in Kreml.
Slava Ukraine and Canada 💪🙏
I count myself lucky to live in a country where that is not a constant threat.
That is THE AK variant. The best one. The one that the Israelis licensed for their Galil and South-Africans for their R4 and R5.
Thanks man!
Ups, you don't know? Oh my. Greetings from Finland. We secure santa and we take it very seriously.
Both Finland and Sweden have taken part in NATO exercisers before they became members(Partnership for Peace).
Since Canada don't have land border with a hostile it might be hard to argue for a large military.
Fair point, but still embarrassing.
@@DarthTigger Most of Finnish strength is in reserves who are just ordinary people. the active duty and conscript currently on duty is way smaller.
Wartime Strength is how many soldiers can operate at the same time.
About 870,000 Finns belong to the reserve. The strength of the Defense Forces during the war is 280,000 soldiers, and the strength is supplemented by other reservists if necessary.
Far superior to Canada in sheer numbers.
we called M72 to 66 KES 75 (M72A2) then there was 66 KES 88 (M72A5). when i was serving.
And now we have 66 KES 12, And NLAW
"kessi" simply put
yes finland has been training with nato countries for a very long time, as has always been basically and ally to nato. Now when NATO has joined Finland, they have just increased interoperability and collaboration. The Finnish military and soldiers' discipline and effectiveness is on par with, and in most cases even surpasses that of other, much larger militaries, like the US for example, and american/nato officers and representatives have always been mind boggled with how a bunch of 19 year old boys with 1 year military training can be so effective, many times demolishing their opponents like US marines during war games, and regularly placing in the top of international military competitions.
Yep Finland was PfP member with NATO for many years
The new version of the M72 law (M72 EC) is still more than capable of taking out IFVs and APCs. Maybe even some tanks if you hit from behind and of course you can take out road wheels etc.
the Artillery in question is a soviet era 122mm, we dont use 105mm, only 155 or 122
yeah but artillery is artillery, dosent really matter, What really is the important part is the amount of rounds you can shoot. For example Russia shoots around 10,000 rounds a day in Ukraine (arount 1/3 are duds i think) even if they are older models aroud 6,000 rounds a day is still varry bad for the oponent.
Canada is only 7 times bigger in Population, so its not that bad as you first thought :D
LOL Its still bad :)
When Finland lost the continuation war against USSR in ww2, they signed some agreements and one was that borderguard cant be part of the military. But its just a flip of an invisible button and they are if ever needed to. Military service for example include training of border guards.
Oh, It's the finnish variant of Ak, RK-62 it is considered the most reliable of ak variants. Why, what are you canadians using then? M16's? :D Anyways we've heard about canada here also. Were they part of the ww II or was it france? Anyways we've been ready for 80 years. So really no need to worry bout how we shoulder our bags there buddy. Thanks for looking out for us back there ;).
Canada currently uses The C7A2 5.56 Nato (Basically a hardened M16 style) The C8 Carbine (Short barrel) The C9 Fully automatic Belt fed SAW with a 200 round drum, The C6 7.62 Nato Belt Fed MG, and a host of other weapons.
i see you havent react to. Finnish defence force's video.
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I will take a look. Thanks!
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Ne pas covrir, ikke tildekkes...you are obviously from the Nordics and have seen a radiator?😂😂😂
@@peketee2278 😉
@@peketee2278 He's 80-90's child while sitting in the toilet he had nothing else to read than radiator instructions.
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Finland has invested in civil defence, too, like Helsinki has a massive bunker network: th-cam.com/video/4c8fepchRwY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fgnSrqA0Gs8QB1An
Building bomb shelters is mandatory in Finland, my apartment complex has two shelters for the residents.
Very cool, and a little bit scary
@@DarthTigger The bunkers/shelters have been a part of every day life here, so you haven't really thought about it - until RUS started the war. Before, you heard complaints how expensive it's to build the mandatory bomb shelters but you don't hear that anymore.