"Money doesn't buy you happiness" -Rich people "Looks aren't all that matter" -Attractive people "It doesn't matter if bad levels get rated" -People who get their levels rated
The thing is, all of these things shouldn’t matter, so when the people on the higher end look at the people on the lower end who are complaining, they realize how pointless it should be.
4:10 let me elaborate on this mod point Getting into a level request server that's open is nearly impossible, as most of them are closed 364 days of the year. Most of the moderators don't even have level request servers, which makes it even harder. Streams are a huge waste of your time because if you don't request in the first 2 seconds, then the entire 10 hour stream won't have your level in it. Even when level requests servers are open, it takes them two years to get through the requests, with most having absurdly high standards. This isn't laziness from the moderators, but I feel like it's a problem on Robtop's end. The entire mod team is glorified, but it's just extremely boring. I always see mods leave the mod team after 3 months because of how overwhelming and boring it is. To make things EVEN WORSE - I've had levels where I've gotten 27 SENDS and still remain unrated. How flawed of a system can you possible make?
Jesus Christ. I knew the mod system was bad, but not that bad. Given this information, how can people say that jealousy towards well known creators is invalid?
You have a point. I built a level which I think has potential to be rated, submitted it to multiple discord servers, always no send or no feedback. How else can I get my first CP when Magic Tab is made so that only people with CP can get in here? And as you said, my goal isnt to get 1 or 2 imaginary points displayed on my profile, but to get my level I put effort into to be played by more people so they can enjoy it. Now my level has like 300 downloads, and how many of these did get past 20% on the level? Maybe like 20 of them. Thats not for what I spent months building...
Probably the best video regarding the rating system, really well explained. Lets also not overlook that if an objectively bad level gets rated over another higher quality levels, it sends the message to the creator that no matter how much u tried, it wasnt good enough, and that it wont ever be
I also think that people have to remember what the star rating system is for in the first place. It’s for promoting levels that deserve to be seen because of their quality, so people get mad that bad levels get rated because they’re getting undeserved attention. The argument of jealousy is also stupid with how it fails to address if someone’s levels are as good as someone else’s levels, but don’t get rated. It’s also just stupid to assume that someone is just jealous, but can’t possibly actually dislike a certain level.
Yes, I have a level I consider rate worthy by robtops standards, but it seems the mods have much higher standards than robtop, I've tried countless times fur the mods to review them, only twice have they actually done it, and both of them had too high of standards, but I'm 99% sure robtop would rate, maybe even feature it
This video really did explain everything i tried to say to the others. One of my levels that i have tried to finish got 18 MOD SENDS and it has been still remaining unrated for more than a year now… (i am still waiting cuz i keep thinking that Robtop may hasn’t seen my level yet…). Glad that someone could stand up for me and the other unknown creators and glad that i found this video…
@@laskouide_newragingbulls thanks it used to be a sad day. But since i don’t care about rating system’s currency nowadays, i have more fun creating levels.
Update, mine has 20 sends for more than a year now… and now seeing one of Codex’s shitty level to be FEATURED na DAILY, i am now quiting GD… but with better mindset in me… To talk a bit about my level, i skipped 2 of my college years just to create that level for a collab, it didn’t turn out well, but at least it is decent enough to have a rate… but sadly, it didn’t go well…
I completely agree, you made some great points that I didn't even think about. Like how people get motivation from fame and they get fame from rate etc. personally I don't really get motivation from the popularity my levels but I can completely understand why others would. thank you for this.
The video explains the problem very well. I think that's a big issue that some good levels go under the radar. I start losing hope for my level to get featured when i will finish it now
tbh I just think that rate standards should be lowered so that 1.0 to 1.8-esque can get rated or even featured, so long as the lvl isn't lazy & has effort put into it to bring the best out of that update...
Funnily enough, Wulzy's second ever video titled "Dot Dot Dot shouldn't be rated", is him complaining about the generic thing he made in a couple hours getting a feature because many people will get upset that their levels, which are better, don't. He is supporting the "Jealousy" he kept complaining about
best vid about this issue, finding a lvl req server is actually so painfull since most ppl just take breaks (and then u check like 1 month later and they took another break.) streams are a waste of time too. i have a gd lvl that i dont think was rly that good but a bunch of my gd friends (some had cp) told me to send the lvl to mods and i tried tons of places and only 3 mods saw it.
Populer creators usually get their levels rated like if you are the 1 on the creator board you can get rated your level easily because most of people follow you and moderators included. but if you are person who makes one of the best levels and you are less known it usually dont gets rated, example Ocellios by dolphe dont get rated still
I know it's been months but here's how I feel. I agree with your points on the rating system and it's flaws. I think more care should be put into the system to get levels noticed easier. I think the lesser quality levels should stay rated but the better quality ones should get rated. The problem is that time is spent rating lesser quality levels which in my opinion should be fixed by improving the system rather than not rating them. I think more levels should be noticed wether it's just a low quality thing made for fun or an absolute masterpeice! The rating system should account for all the levels and embrace creativity! I love playing cute little levels that aren't as high in quality but I also love looking at masterpeices! I hope the rating system is improved in the future, good video!
You have really good points and I agree, but there is one problem. It can be subjective if a level is rateworthy, so for example, you might not consider sakupen circles rateworthy, but others might do.
The main problem I have with the rating system is that only Robtops rates the levels,I feel like the elder mods should also help with rating levels since I don't really see the difference between the both regular and elder mods apart from a different badge.
I actually have another point(as someone who has dealt with this) levels that are too well optimized to make it into the magic tab. I have a level that I personally think is rate worthy but its too well optimized (about 10K objects)
You are right, but the point of of GD (or should be the point) is to spread creativity. Every level that shows an ounce of creativity either that it is shows a cool effect or the gameplay is fire should get rated. That how it was back in 1.9 until mods decided that rated levels should be these great big levels with the greatest specs. Robtop is too busy updating the game he can't see half of the requests sent. I think layouts like xo or Dear Nostalgists should be just rated not featured. Only good decorated levels will be featured. The rate standards are too high and too low. I think what Stormfly said in his video should be the new rate system would be a good start. Overall the video was good, but I do have my own opinions about how the rating system is and I think it should be considered. Nice video!
Very good video. Me personally, I think that the whole level ratings is not good these days. So much levels now that are daily have no skill, they just look good aesthetically and have good transitions. They are not different they all just look the same. And when I say that those levels lack original style, and they’re boring, etc in the comments of those levels. People hate on me for it, and think it’s jealousy, and dislike my comments. Luckily some people know what’s going on.(lvl rating system)
I think a big part too is being able to search by difficulty. I play mostly demons, and if I want to play a demon I will only be looking at rated levels as unrated levels can't be demons. It's too much effort to comb through unrated levels and have to guess how hard they are. It's much easier to just be able to look through hard demons or medium demons or extreme demons to guage how much effort and time a level will take me. If I feel like chilling out and playing easy demon difficulty levels, what am I going to do? Comb through a bunch of unrated levels that won't accurately protray the level's difficulty, or use the in game filters to ensure I only find levels that I know will be what I'm looking for? I'm going with the latter, but that's a filter that can only show me rated levels.
Simple solution: *Have different tabs for different levels. Example: Have a tab for low standard levels and have a tab for high standard levels. Or have a tab for star rated only levels, a tab for featured levels, and a tab for epic rated levels (along with other tabs for Legendary and Mythic Rates).* AND/OR *Let the standards be low for creators who just wanna have fun and play the game. Let the standards be high for people who make levels for their TH-cam channel or career.*
i think some of the points in this video are a little over dramatic (like honestly golden palace isn’t that bad) but i think most of what you are saying is true, the battle to get creator points took me 11 months and many mod sends, and it is 100% true that even just a star rate gives you mountains more exposure than even just the magic tab.
I used to be someone who adamantly defended the rating system a few years ago but honestly when I grew more and more detached from the gd community I began to realize how inherently fucked the rating system is. A lot of the stuff in this video is completely agreeable, despite it being somewhat harsh. I'd like to make a few other points on how the rating system really hurts the game, though. When rating levels solely because the creator is famous, it discourages the famous creator from creating non-serious levels. Take Braeden's short level that was rated for like a few seconds and A Pretty Easy Level by Codex. Neither of them were meant to be serious levels, but Rob rated Braeden's level as well as put Codex's level for daily. Personally, I don't think it would have been a problem, but neither of these would have gotten rated if it was made by someone else. This causes the community to get REALLY riled up, and the rating system is one of the biggest reasons that Braeden got harassed into quitting, and Heromolten got hacked. Their levels were most likely meant to be built for fun rather than for something serious, and in Codex's case, it was built at the very most a simple rate. Furthermore, when Robtop only rates these types of levels from famous creators and the mods don't see the other more casual levels made by unkown creators as rateworthy, it'll discourage them for creating just for fun, too. Mostly because they know that their for fun levels *wouldn't* get rated. Another point I'd like to make is that whenever beginner creators get their levels rated, the majority of the community will, rather than give helpful feedback, trash on the level, and harass the creator. The mainstream audience that only plays rated levels can NOT be trusted with feedback. This is only going to promote the unhealthy obsession with perfection and how a lot of the mods review levels will add salt onto the wound. Also, Robtop and the mods only reward creativity when it's from famous creators. This is only going to cause a negative stigma against unique or simply clever levels, and it's going to discourage creativity. Starship Showdown by ninjabeary and I cant build by 2002louis are examples of unique levels that are honestly really nice, but aren't rated despite many other levels of the same type being rated from famous creators. I personally think that the rate-only button should be utilized more often. There's a lot of levels that are just acceptable at worst like all of heromolten's level, dubstepfanatic's levels, etc. That getst featured. I think levels like those should just get a starrate, as well as those many more "generic" (for the lack of better words) levels or those levels with less-favorable gameplay. It will also allow for creators to create more casual levels like 1.0 style levels and get rewarded for it. And if this is applied, then people who want to play HIGHER quality levels will be able to look into the featured tab.
Well thought out video! I'm surprised my comment came up, as I personally came to the opposite conclusion for the same argument. But thanks for including me! :)
I don't understand how 1.0 levels from famous people get rated, but if someone else does a 1.0 style they don't get rated!!??? Also, if I was a mod or robtop, I would rate or send levels depending on the gameplay, and worry about the decoration a little (specifically, 1.6 style would get a rate, 2.1+ style would get feature)
5:11 you see, it isnt the mods that are the problem here. Its robtop. You could get your level sent by a million moderators but if robtop either doesnt see it or doesnt play it then you wont get your level rated.
What i saw in lvl req streams such as wulzy does, is that he picks random lvls from his thingi thing we send to him but that means even if i sent him like the first from everyone a lvl he will prob still not see nor many other people i mean mybe its so people would wait until they see their lvl but they dont. i also sent a lvl not by me but it was great regardless and still didnt saw it i hav sent him like 3-5 times a lvl and didnt saw it like the entire rating system isnt that great, even rob responded to me after i asked him "would you change the rating system?" he answered "to what?" he literly dosent know how to improve his own fucking horribale creation and i think when he gets a team he should give at least one person the role of rating stuff alot of goog creators are under the radar and only lucky ones get them downloads which is not fair.(i saw like 3 actual goog creators on the recent tab in the last 3months) in this game where getting some attention is easier than just being a ytber is actually pretty goog but it dosent happen that often. and people who say "you just jealous" i dont hate culuc or bli or other goog creators, i just hate seeing not that many people getting nothing and a little air on the side.
Actually levels like Silent Club get rated because they are good for their time, and Sakupen Circles got rated because it at least has DECENT DECO JESUS CHRIST MAN. Firework deserves to be featured cuz the deco and gameplay is great. You should really also understand that in different eras of the game the standards were different and depending on the deco and gameplay Levels GOOD levels get rated, but it depends if they are good enough for the time. I do though agree with the bad levels shouldn’t be rated thing since there are around 23 levels I’ve seen and beat that are garbage and are somehow featured. I’ve seen AMAZING levels that don’t get enough attention and that makes me and the community angry. To make matters worse these amazing creations don’t get noticed by Mods or RobTop or ANYONE Even though they really deserve rates and Features. Hope this helped.
Agree, and the most messed up thing that almost all of the viewers in those streams said that it was much more fair… LIKE WHAT? WAITING FOR 8 STREAMS JUST TO SEE THE OTHERS’ LEVEL TO BE PLAYED RIGHT AFTER THEY SENT THE LEVEL 5 MINS AGO???
Im a person with creator points and the system still managed to fail to rate 3 of my rate worthy level which each has 6+ sends already on it and also additional 3 levels with around 1 - 2 senda , whats the problem with them? Only because of the luck factor , heck i had to even reupload one level to get it rated and it was sent by same mod who did sent original level before because if the rng status
Why does nobody care when good levels go under the radar? And why do people say that bad levels deserved to get rated? The mod system is completely broken. Its biased, really strict and just a bad look on the GD community. "It dosent matter that this level gets rated, all it does is give a creator a UFO and makes the number next to the hammer go up a few digits". What you just read there is soemthing that famous creators who get MANY features and are sometimes MODS THEMSELVES, would say when people complain about bad levels getting featured. Aspiring creators should not listen and go with people who say these things, because all it does it de-motivate them to create and it also makes them burn themselves out. when people should first create for fun and if theyre levels do well, they should start trying to get CP. But making people think that creator points are worthless, it blocks a ton of people from popularity they should get. TH-camrs who say stuff that degrades the creator point make people not want to get creator points. All it does is just turns the create button from a fun place full of creativity, into a warzone battling for popularity. Sorry if that went on a while, but in short, i think that the mod system is broken and featured levels DO MATTER! But people dont think it does! Welp, im out of stuff to rant about. Enjoy the vid Signed ~Anonymous
i think wulzy and vortox think that it does matter which levels get rated sense both of them do level requests and make levels so it is clear their opinions have changed
Eh, not really. They were both moderators before making their videos (I think) and have always done level requests. While they probably do understand the importance of rating levels, they both downplay the unfairness of the mod system in its current state, as well as the impact of rating so many bad levels. But perhaps you’re right. It’s been 2 years, maybe their opinions have changed.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Wulzy has made a video few days ago about an OG of GD left GD because of there was a stupid daily level with stupid gameplay that day. And it proved that Wulzy still kept his opinion…
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 the video Wulzy talked about the rating system was 2 years ago. You thought that his opinion might be changed in the future. But Wulzy uploaded a video talking about pg1004’s situation recently. He still keeps his old opinion…
i have a lot of disagreements, but i'm too lazy to rewatch and construct decent point-by-point counter arguments. Something about luck; and bad levels not being the main problem.
Why is robtop the only one to decide it something ACTUALLY gets the rate?! Imo Elder Mods should have the power to do this as well, makes the system much faster
Elder mods being able to rate levels would literally kill the game, it would overwhelm stargrinders and a lot of them would quit. for creators, it would make getting creator points not as special and make people lose motivation to create.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 I am literally a stargrinder with 40k stars and a creator with 3 creator points and yes, that would 100% happen. If everyone was given a creator point so easily, then the moment I got my first wouldn't feel as special. And for stargrinding, I always lose a ton of motivation whenever robtop does like a 50 level ratewave of nondemons...
@@thearmyants. Having Elder Mods rate levels would not make CP easier to acquire; it would only make the process less luck-based, because levels that would get rated by Elder mods are levels that would get rated by Robtop anyway if he didn’t have so much on his plate. Devaluing of rates comes from rating bad levels, not from rating good levels.
WULZY cannot be talking he literally has wulzy choose block featured. Challenge where he used the worst blocks in the game. The levels ass I can make something better than it and it will never get rated even if it gets sent because "it's not good enough"
"theres just no way that rob can comb through potentially rate-worthy levels at the same rate they're created at" this is incredibly true, and why i personally believe that elder mods should be able to rate levels as well. unfortunately, i dont really agree with most of your other points, as the implication in about 80% of them is that some levels are just objectively "good" and "bad" (or at least "rateworthy" and "not rateworthy"), which is a pretty indefensible notion. ultimately, like all art, there can be objectivity in criticism, but a lot just comes down to personal taste. for example, you mentioned xo as a level not deserving of a rate, which is something that i think a lot of people would disagree with - the gameplay gimmicks are extremely unique, the sync is s-tier, and the progression and subtle details make up for a lack of flashy decoration.
There’s lots of disagreement over what makes a level good or rate-worthy, but that’s beyond the scope of this video. The point of this isn’t to discuss which levels in particular should/shouldn’t be rated, but just to point out that we should care more about the rating system.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 your video certainly convinced me that its a shame when good levels by hardworking creators go unnoticed, but im still not really sold on the idea that "bad" levels (which, remember, is pretty subjective) getting rated is somehow bad for the game's community (unless the level is really buggy, impossible, or nsfw ofc). good creators not getting cp/recognition is a shame, but bad creators getting it is not only not a big deal, it also already happens on a much bigger scale thanks to the youtube algorithm (cough cough icedcave cough cough). sorry this was rambly lol
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 the problem with your reasoning is that you cannot objectively call a level bad or not rateworthy. Your entire arguement rests upon the notion that there is an empirical metric by which levels can be judged, when there really isnt. It is not yours, or anyones beside robs place to decide whether or not a level be deemed 'good enough' for a rate, and to believe you do is entitlement beyond comprehension. With no empirical measure, your point falls apart, because there is no way to safely determine what levels are good and what levels are pollutants (which is already an incredibly disrespectful to call the level, regardless of the level quality).
@@squizaaard "you cannot objectively call a level bad or not rateworthy." Neither can Robtop, and I don't see you accusing him of "entitlement beyond comprehension". Is Robtop the only person who's allowed to have an opinion? Is anyone who presents an alternative idea of how the rating system could work a narcissist to you? You are right that there is no objective or empirical way to determine which levels should or shouldn't be rated. This can only be done based on personal preferences. However, Robtop already decides which levels are good enough based on subjective (and inconsistent) standards, so you really have no point here. Finally, I don't understand why you have a problem with me calling bad rated levels pollutants. It's the truth. When bad levels get rated, not only are good levels less likely to also be rated, but the ones that do will be competing for attention with bad levels, meaning their creators will get less recognition for their work. I don't know why you're so offended by me stating this, especially as I'm criticizing levels that you didn't even make.
When you say that rob rates old impossible levels, its mostly the community that wants it. I hate aod, and its probably my least favorite old impossible level (and has the drama surrounding its lack of a rate) and the community pressures rob to rate it so it can be on the demon list. I think thats a flawed argument as rob received backlash and the only way to not get backlash is to rate aod. If the dl never existed, old impossible levels might not get rated (with exceptions like silent club and silent clubstep imo)
I feel that old impossible levels are rated not because they were impossible but because they are old, let me explain. levels like silent club step are by no means rate worthy by todays standards but at the time it was made, it was! it just took a very long time to verify.
i try to explain me hope you can understand :/ a friend said to me one day "there is no good level without bad level, there is no good level without bad" and I think he is absolutely right in any case I think that all this pile of bad level we may not have as much talent today so unfortunately we have to live with that it's sad but there will always be a guy who will for example make a remake of the sakupen circles for the fun and that will have a rated, it will still have horrible levels it will be redesigned by robtop and it's better like that,because the game belongs above all to the one who plays it, so I have to say something: the rating system is not bad as they say (it's a bad prejudice), it's just managed with just the feet no frankly yes i agree it has quite controversial and shitty rates that are rates (hmm silent clubstep for example) but that doesn't make the rating system bad, robtop rates I don't know how many levels per day , and there are many more that we sent to him, he can't rate them all (especially if it's a demon he won't play there), especially since he has to manage 2.2, gd servers, reading his emails, going to the gym apparently and managing this family... it's also not clear, people are complaining that levels like you've been trolled have been classed as an april fool's prank -_- there are also people who can't wait for a level to be assessed, that doesn't help. I propose to trivialize star ratings (normal rates) to punish creators who make no effort to improve, and put them under "pressure"
good video however golden palace is not crap and it is unconstructive and disrespectful to call people's hard work "crap" i get it its an opinion and it doesnt have to be constructive but sometimes you should keep your thoughts inside just saying though, otherwise i cant argue with your points
While I definitely see where you're coming from 1. Wulzys video was specifically addressing jealousy and not much else. 2. I honestly don't care if crap like silent club or thinking space is rated, mainly cause it's barely taking any attention away from actual good levels, I mean are they gonna be more popular? No doubt they for sure are, but does it mean actual good levels won't get rated until the heat death of the universe? No. 3. There are plenty of unrated levels that still get attention, for example: Peaceful, collab level (before it was rated), diabolical clubstep, poocu and twocu, all of Vismuths levels were getting attention before getting rated. 4. Only caring about creator points is a really bad mindset, sure it's okay to think "Huh this seems decent so far! Maybe I could even get a rate", but JUST wanting your level to be rated can make you not want to work on anything at all, and then you'll end up being another person who just goes to random rated levels and comment stuff like "If this can get rated then why can't my levels be rated?", which can also be hella demotivating towards the person who made it, whether it's a comment on the level or a video of it, your own video, on twitter, etc. Oh also I might as well add this even if it is unrelated, you screenshotted my comment a while ago and posted it without censoring my name with the clear intention of making fun of me, and while nothing bad happened, one way or another that was REALLY irresponsible of you, but I already know you'll do it again with this one, so have fun with that I guess?
@rootbeerfloathas pop I didn't come back to this comment because I didn't want to put up with this, and now I remember exactly why. Firstly, you didn't even respond to the points I made, if anything I might as well have not even added them. And secondly, my point with the whole irresponsible thing was admittedly kind of vague, but what I meant was that you have a decent following, and you made a COMMUNITY POST about it, not censoring my name, clearly intending to humiliate me, or at least that's the only way I see this, I don't think I need to explain what could have gone wrong here, and while it didn't, it all COULD have happened because I had a different opinion than you, hope that's clearer.
@@Orng9987 If you really think that my post was intended to “humiliate” you, you’re overreacting. The only thing I said in that post is that I disagreed with what you said and found the comment really annoying. I’m sorry that I wasn’t respectful of your opinion. Anyway, no part of that post used language that would incite harassment or bullying of any kind. It would never have caused you humiliation.
1. I KNOW that he was talking about "jealousy". That's why I have a problem with his video- because I take issue with what he says about "jealousy". 2. These levels getting rated do, indeed, take attention away from actual good levels and make it harder for said actual good levels to get rated, as I covered in this video. 3. Because the creators of those levels are already well-known and don't always need their levels to be rated for them to spread. How many views do you think the Collab Level showcase would have gotten if it was by an unknown, instead of a household name (Mindcap)? 4. This video has nothing to do with creator points, as I said multiple times. And why are you so confident that wanting one's level to get rated is bound to turn one into a toxic child who sends hate towards other creators?
I kind of disagree. Kind of. Your conclusion that it would be better if we just stopped rating bad levels is really unsatisfying because the quality of a level is completely subjective and the mods may have totally different standards than you. Yes, creator points are a finite resource and this is one of the reasons I think a system where rob isn’t the one rating the levels would be much better. But you can’t really say that a level is objectively bad and these resources have been used poorly when the mod that sent it thinks it’s great. However, I do think that a large amount of levels rated today are pretty unoriginal and bland. It’s a well known fact in psychology that if a person is doing something for a reward they will perform significantly worse than if they aren’t. I think this drives people to start caring more about attention and less about actually having fun building, leading to uninspired sludge (that’s not to say a lot of people don’t still build for fun under the system). The other problem I take with this video is it assumes that everyone cares about about getting their levels rated. I have made rate-worthy levels (in my eyes) and really, I would much rather spend time starting a new level instead of trying to get the previous one rated. Why? Because all a rated level gets me is attention and extrinsic motivation. Don’t get me wrong, getting your stuff recognized can totally help with motivation but for me at least, intrinsic motivation is a lot more reliable than extrinsic and relying on attention for motivation can lead to burnout. Of course, other people may feel differently. I don’t really care that I spent a year on a level and it’s currently sitting at less than 200 downloads because the process of building it was the most rewarding part but others might. I do agree though that there’s a lot of problems with the system and they need to be fixed.
I didn’t say that EVERYONE builds for attention. Other than that, I don’t have a problem with your comments on that. Some things and levels are objectively better or worse than other things or levels.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301Well, it sounded like you were saying rated levels matter to everyone based on the way you phrased things and the title. I understand though. But you cannot judge a level objectively. If you could, two people of similar reasoning ability would look at a level and reach the exact same conclusion. Obviously people in the community disagree about rates all the time. Art is subjective.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Such as? Every aspect of a level is subjective and even if they weren’t, different people value different aspects more than others. Maybe a level is very realistic. You could say that it objectively depicts reality accurately but that doesn’t make it objectively good. A person might heavily prefer more abstract styles.
@@cindersnap. Such as: Having decoration, gameplay that syncs to the music, gameplay that is onscreen and easy to sightread, (unless it’s a memory level, of course) using colours that work well together according to colour theory, difficulty that stays in the same league throughout the level.
im fairly confident this is just you being a contrarian, but i think you need to realise that a lot of the content you're covering is both old and more or less coming from someone who had a good experience (which doesn't really justify their arrogance nonetheless). The rating system is flawed, sure, but not nearly as bad as you're claiming. I think that most of the complaints you have revolve around wanting to sustain someone's ego, and most of the time, it genuinely is just jealousy. You're giving the community too much credit, thinking they care about the state of the game rather than just their own benefit. I'm just gonna say it, yes wulzy is wrong about the attention but also i feel like its hard to criticise a system you arent directly involved with. I understand your point but at the end of the day, it would make sense to not make it just rob rating levels
Okay, so the things you mentioned near the start (the age of the videos I’m responding to and what their perspectives are) are things that I’m well aware of already. I even acknowledged that the videos are over two years old in the pinned comment! Secondly, you claimed- without evidence- that the rating system is “only to serve someone’s ego” and “not as bad as I think it is”. I already proved in this video that star ratings are way more important than that, and if anything, the system is even WORSE than I let on. There are comments here from people whose levels have 20+ mod sends but still aren’t featured. Lastly, you tried to assert that I don’t know what I’m talking about or shouldn’t discuss a system that I’m not directly involved in, which doesn’t make any sense either; I clearly demonstrated my knowledge of the subject with my arguments, evidence and an actual example from someone who IS “directly involved”.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 woah okay, you've just blown my statement way out of proportion. I widely agree with some of your statements and ive worded a few things poorly but what i mean is that a lot of people who genuinely complain about the rating system are genuinely just jealous and dont consider the wider impact of rating bad levels
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 it was more a jumble of thoughts than a comprehensive criticism. I definitely disagree with some points but i can understand where you're coming from on a wider view
You’re taking the idea of subjectivity to the extreme. There are levels that objectively should not be rated, unless you’re about to vehemently defend Conical Depression.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Conical depression was rated due to a bet krmal had with robtop, krmal did it and thats why its rated. so yes, it should be rated.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Conical depression does a good job at representing stereo madness in a 1.0 way - while still being very difficult, kind of the same way XO is a really good level with an awesome atmosphere but CD does it without many triggers.
[ Creation "Skill" does not exist in a rating sense to me. If a player spends weeks, maybe even months developing their creation, and then when they release it realize their effort meant nothing because it was not on par with rating standards. This course of events is not only demotivating and discouraging, but also unfair considering that there are rated levels which could be replicated piece by piece in a matter of days. Creators who spend a long time of honest (emphasis on Honest) effort on a project should gain a token of recognition for their efforts regardless of how it looks. With the emphasis on "Honest", it fairly restrains the filter for recognition. There are plenty of levels that are worked on for a long time but are lazy and poorly made. These levels are a waste of time spent; in the context that there was ample time available to create the level. As I acknowledge that everybody has a life beyond GD and probably have jobs, plans, schedules that take up time in their lives. ] Heres the annoying part, the argument i make about wasted time and poorly made levels is contradictory to itself and defeats its own argument. As now, skill is thrown into the equation. The time spent on the level doesnt ensure the same quality product, similarly to how a 5 year old and 35 year old artist would produce radically different pieces if given 2 hours to produce. In the time its taken me to write this comment, i have reached a new level of understanding and recognize creating skill as a real factor. All in all, this comment means nothing.
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Responding to videos that are multiple years old let's gooooooooooooooo. Let me know your thoughts on the rating system in the comments!
It's has many flaws in this system i agree with you
"Money doesn't buy you happiness" -Rich people
"Looks aren't all that matter" -Attractive people
"It doesn't matter if bad levels get rated" -People who get their levels rated
So true
The thing is, all of these things shouldn’t matter, so when the people on the higher end look at the people on the lower end who are complaining, they realize how pointless it should be.
“Cp points dont make happiness” someone with lots of cp(credit points)
@ENDI8089 “cp makes happiness”
-person with lots of cp 🚨
CP doesn't matter that much: a person with an unrated level
4:10 let me elaborate on this mod point
Getting into a level request server that's open is nearly impossible, as most of them are closed 364 days of the year. Most of the moderators don't even have level request servers, which makes it even harder. Streams are a huge waste of your time because if you don't request in the first 2 seconds, then the entire 10 hour stream won't have your level in it. Even when level requests servers are open, it takes them two years to get through the requests, with most having absurdly high standards. This isn't laziness from the moderators, but I feel like it's a problem on Robtop's end. The entire mod team is glorified, but it's just extremely boring. I always see mods leave the mod team after 3 months because of how overwhelming and boring it is. To make things EVEN WORSE - I've had levels where I've gotten 27 SENDS and still remain unrated. How flawed of a system can you possible make?
Jesus Christ. I knew the mod system was bad, but not that bad. Given this information, how can people say that jealousy towards well known creators is invalid?
lmao i feel you
Not to mention the insane amount of bias RobTop has
cob is still l
@@shiniboros ?
You have a point. I built a level which I think has potential to be rated, submitted it to multiple discord servers, always no send or no feedback. How else can I get my first CP when Magic Tab is made so that only people with CP can get in here? And as you said, my goal isnt to get 1 or 2 imaginary points displayed on my profile, but to get my level I put effort into to be played by more people so they can enjoy it. Now my level has like 300 downloads, and how many of these did get past 20% on the level? Maybe like 20 of them. Thats not for what I spent months building...
Yep, rate system needs to be fixed
Probably the best video regarding the rating system, really well explained. Lets also not overlook that if an objectively bad level gets rated over another higher quality levels, it sends the message to the creator that no matter how much u tried, it wasnt good enough, and that it wont ever be
Very true, I probably should have mentioned that
chubby stop
@@darkmooshroomgd6604 😈
there are no objectively bad levels argument instantly discarded
@@fifsqueak Wrong!
I also think that people have to remember what the star rating system is for in the first place. It’s for promoting levels that deserve to be seen because of their quality, so people get mad that bad levels get rated because they’re getting undeserved attention. The argument of jealousy is also stupid with how it fails to address if someone’s levels are as good as someone else’s levels, but don’t get rated. It’s also just stupid to assume that someone is just jealous, but can’t possibly actually dislike a certain level.
Yes, I have a level I consider rate worthy by robtops standards, but it seems the mods have much higher standards than robtop, I've tried countless times fur the mods to review them, only twice have they actually done it, and both of them had too high of standards, but I'm 99% sure robtop would rate, maybe even feature it
That sucks man. Another problem is that mods’ rating standards are also incredibly inconsistent, making it very difficult to get a star rate
ID?
I'm sorry man but you saying that your level is rate worthy even though 2 mods have reviewed and sent it is not a good look
This video really did explain everything i tried to say to the others.
One of my levels that i have tried to finish got 18 MOD SENDS and it has been still remaining unrated for more than a year now… (i am still waiting cuz i keep thinking that Robtop may hasn’t seen my level yet…).
Glad that someone could stand up for me and the other unknown creators and glad that i found this video…
sad for you :(
@@laskouide_newragingbulls thanks it used to be a sad day. But since i don’t care about rating system’s currency nowadays, i have more fun creating levels.
Update, mine has 20 sends for more than a year now… and now seeing one of Codex’s shitty level to be FEATURED na DAILY, i am now quiting GD… but with better mindset in me…
To talk a bit about my level, i skipped 2 of my college years just to create that level for a collab, it didn’t turn out well, but at least it is decent enough to have a rate… but sadly, it didn’t go well…
@@chaken6187 Jesus lord.
OOf
I completely agree, you made some great points that I didn't even think about. Like how people get motivation from fame and they get fame from rate etc. personally I don't really get motivation from the popularity my levels but I can completely understand why others would.
thank you for this.
The video explains the problem very well.
I think that's a big issue that some good levels go under the radar.
I start losing hope for my level to get featured when i will finish it now
one of your best videos imo, actually really detailed and explained well
Thank you for the kind words brother Bander
this is a great video, amazing counter arguments and i really hope that the mod system changes in some way
Thanks
tbh I just think that rate standards should be lowered so that 1.0 to 1.8-esque can get rated or even featured, so long as the lvl isn't lazy & has effort put into it to bring the best out of that update...
absolutely agree
@@Toxicated078 yeah, I believe that gameplay should be held to the same standard as deco tbh, since it makes up the bulk of a player's experience
its not about jealousy, its about justice
Funnily enough, Wulzy's second ever video titled "Dot Dot Dot shouldn't be rated", is him complaining about the generic thing he made in a couple hours getting a feature because many people will get upset that their levels, which are better, don't. He is supporting the "Jealousy" he kept complaining about
best vid about this issue, finding a lvl req server is actually so painfull since most ppl just take breaks (and then u check like 1 month later and they took another break.) streams are a waste of time too. i have a gd lvl that i dont think was rly that good but a bunch of my gd friends (some had cp) told me to send the lvl to mods and i tried tons of places and only 3 mods saw it.
Populer creators usually get their levels rated like if you are the 1 on the creator board you can get rated your level easily because most of people follow you and moderators included. but if you are person who makes one of the best levels and you are less known it usually dont gets rated, example Ocellios by dolphe dont get rated still
I know it's been months but here's how I feel. I agree with your points on the rating system and it's flaws. I think more care should be put into the system to get levels noticed easier. I think the lesser quality levels should stay rated but the better quality ones should get rated. The problem is that time is spent rating lesser quality levels which in my opinion should be fixed by improving the system rather than not rating them. I think more levels should be noticed wether it's just a low quality thing made for fun or an absolute masterpeice! The rating system should account for all the levels and embrace creativity! I love playing cute little levels that aren't as high in quality but I also love looking at masterpeices! I hope the rating system is improved in the future, good video!
You have really good points and I agree, but there is one problem.
It can be subjective if a level is rateworthy, so for example, you might not consider sakupen circles rateworthy, but others might do.
Of course. There will be tons of disagreement on which levels are rate worthy, but that’s beyond the scope of this video.
The main problem I have with the rating system is that only Robtops rates the levels,I feel like the elder mods should also help with rating levels since I don't really see the difference between the both regular and elder mods apart from a different badge.
Hmmm, I wonder why they think the mod system is perfect..
*looks at their mod badges*
Ah.
I actually have another point(as someone who has dealt with this) levels that are too well optimized to make it into the magic tab. I have a level that I personally think is rate worthy but its too well optimized (about 10K objects)
It REALLY doesn’t matter which levels get rated.
Yeah...request servers...maybe if I ever find one which isn't closed for almost ENTIRE YEAR.
You are right, but the point of of GD (or should be the point) is to spread creativity. Every level that shows an ounce of creativity either that it is shows a cool effect or the gameplay is fire should get rated. That how it was back in 1.9 until mods decided that rated levels should be these great big levels with the greatest specs. Robtop is too busy updating the game he can't see half of the requests sent. I think layouts like xo or Dear Nostalgists should be just rated not featured. Only good decorated levels will be featured. The rate standards are too high and too low. I think what Stormfly said in his video should be the new rate system would be a good start. Overall the video was good, but I do have my own opinions about how the rating system is and I think it should be considered. Nice video!
bro the wulzy video sounds 10 years ago lmao time goes fast
The rating system is so flawed. Getting a level rated, or even noticed by Robtop, might even be luck based.
Very good video. Me personally, I think that the whole level ratings is not good these days. So much levels now that are daily have no skill, they just look good aesthetically and have good transitions. They are not different they all just look the same. And when I say that those levels lack original style, and they’re boring, etc in the comments of those levels. People hate on me for it, and think it’s jealousy, and dislike my comments. Luckily some people know what’s going on.(lvl rating system)
1:09 that’s undertale music in the background. I know because I just did a full pacifist playthrough
I think a big part too is being able to search by difficulty. I play mostly demons, and if I want to play a demon I will only be looking at rated levels as unrated levels can't be demons. It's too much effort to comb through unrated levels and have to guess how hard they are. It's much easier to just be able to look through hard demons or medium demons or extreme demons to guage how much effort and time a level will take me. If I feel like chilling out and playing easy demon difficulty levels, what am I going to do? Comb through a bunch of unrated levels that won't accurately protray the level's difficulty, or use the in game filters to ensure I only find levels that I know will be what I'm looking for? I'm going with the latter, but that's a filter that can only show me rated levels.
Very true. I considered bringing that up in this video but decided against it since it isn’t relevant for non demons
Simple solution:
*Have different tabs for different levels. Example: Have a tab for low standard levels and have a tab for high standard levels. Or have a tab for star rated only levels, a tab for featured levels, and a tab for epic rated levels (along with other tabs for Legendary and Mythic Rates).*
AND/OR
*Let the standards be low for creators who just wanna have fun and play the game. Let the standards be high for people who make levels for their TH-cam channel or career.*
i think some of the points in this video are a little over dramatic (like honestly golden palace isn’t that bad) but i think most of what you are saying is true, the battle to get creator points took me 11 months and many mod sends, and it is 100% true that even just a star rate gives you mountains more exposure than even just the magic tab.
I used to be someone who adamantly defended the rating system a few years ago but honestly when I grew more and more detached from the gd community I began to realize how inherently fucked the rating system is. A lot of the stuff in this video is completely agreeable, despite it being somewhat harsh. I'd like to make a few other points on how the rating system really hurts the game, though.
When rating levels solely because the creator is famous, it discourages the famous creator from creating non-serious levels. Take Braeden's short level that was rated for like a few seconds and A Pretty Easy Level by Codex. Neither of them were meant to be serious levels, but Rob rated Braeden's level as well as put Codex's level for daily. Personally, I don't think it would have been a problem, but neither of these would have gotten rated if it was made by someone else. This causes the community to get REALLY riled up, and the rating system is one of the biggest reasons that Braeden got harassed into quitting, and Heromolten got hacked. Their levels were most likely meant to be built for fun rather than for something serious, and in Codex's case, it was built at the very most a simple rate.
Furthermore, when Robtop only rates these types of levels from famous creators and the mods don't see the other more casual levels made by unkown creators as rateworthy, it'll discourage them for creating just for fun, too. Mostly because they know that their for fun levels *wouldn't* get rated.
Another point I'd like to make is that whenever beginner creators get their levels rated, the majority of the community will, rather than give helpful feedback, trash on the level, and harass the creator. The mainstream audience that only plays rated levels can NOT be trusted with feedback. This is only going to promote the unhealthy obsession with perfection and how a lot of the mods review levels will add salt onto the wound.
Also, Robtop and the mods only reward creativity when it's from famous creators. This is only going to cause a negative stigma against unique or simply clever levels, and it's going to discourage creativity. Starship Showdown by ninjabeary and I cant build by 2002louis are examples of unique levels that are honestly really nice, but aren't rated despite many other levels of the same type being rated from famous creators.
I personally think that the rate-only button should be utilized more often. There's a lot of levels that are just acceptable at worst like all of heromolten's level, dubstepfanatic's levels, etc. That getst featured. I think levels like those should just get a starrate, as well as those many more "generic" (for the lack of better words) levels or those levels with less-favorable gameplay. It will also allow for creators to create more casual levels like 1.0 style levels and get rewarded for it. And if this is applied, then people who want to play HIGHER quality levels will be able to look into the featured tab.
Well thought out video! I'm surprised my comment came up, as I personally came to the opposite conclusion for the same argument. But thanks for including me! :)
Yeah, kinda funny how that worked out! I figured that your argument proved my point, although it was arguing the opposite point.
I don't understand how 1.0 levels from famous people get rated, but if someone else does a 1.0 style they don't get rated!!???
Also, if I was a mod or robtop, I would rate or send levels depending on the gameplay, and worry about the decoration a little (specifically, 1.6 style would get a rate, 2.1+ style would get feature)
I saw my level on the 12th page featured which at the time was at 9,000 views, now it’s over 23,000. Some of his points are somewhat valid.
The problem with the rating system looks like is getting worst now in 2.2 lets just start a action or something because we cant do nothing on our own
5:11 you see, it isnt the mods that are the problem here. Its robtop. You could get your level sent by a million moderators but if robtop either doesnt see it or doesnt play it then you wont get your level rated.
I find it stupid how some levels dont get rated, yet galactic codex is a rated level
Galactic codex is really good, people just have massive skill issues.
What i saw in lvl req streams such as wulzy does, is that he picks random lvls from his thingi thing we send to him
but that means even if i sent him like the first from everyone a lvl he will prob still not see nor many other people
i mean mybe its so people would wait until they see their lvl but they dont.
i also sent a lvl not by me but it was great regardless and still didnt saw it i hav sent him like 3-5 times a lvl and didnt saw it
like the entire rating system isnt that great, even rob responded to me after i asked him "would you change the rating system?" he answered "to what?" he literly dosent know how to improve his own fucking horribale creation and i think when he gets a team he should give at least one person the role of rating stuff
alot of goog creators are under the radar and only lucky ones get them downloads which is not fair.(i saw like 3 actual goog creators on the recent tab in the last 3months)
in this game where getting some attention is easier than just being a ytber is actually pretty goog but it dosent happen that often.
and people who say "you just jealous" i dont hate culuc or bli or other goog creators, i just hate seeing not that many people getting nothing and a little air on the side.
Yeah, it’s a mess
Pretty ironic that vortrox and Wulzy are both mods and they are saying that cp doesn’t matter
i dont care about a level getting rated unless its a silent clubstep sequel
Actually levels like Silent Club get rated because they are good for their time, and Sakupen Circles got rated because it at least has DECENT DECO JESUS CHRIST MAN. Firework deserves to be featured cuz the deco and gameplay is great. You should really also understand that in different eras of the game the standards were different and depending on the deco and gameplay Levels GOOD levels get rated, but it depends if they are good enough for the time. I do though agree with the bad levels shouldn’t be rated thing since there are around 23 levels I’ve seen and beat that are garbage and are somehow featured. I’ve seen AMAZING levels that don’t get enough attention and that makes me and the community angry. To make matters worse these amazing creations don’t get noticed by Mods or RobTop or ANYONE Even though they really deserve rates and Features. Hope this helped.
Yeah, most of what you say I agree with, except for Sakupen Circles. And also, a lot of bad rated levels were also bad for their time
Big TH-camrs level req stream is luck based lol
Agree, and the most messed up thing that almost all of the viewers in those streams said that it was much more fair… LIKE WHAT? WAITING FOR 8 STREAMS JUST TO SEE THE OTHERS’ LEVEL TO BE PLAYED RIGHT AFTER THEY SENT THE LEVEL 5 MINS AGO???
4:22 woah thats quite the bold claim
like what if i have built up enough creating skill? smh
also i’m a very very unknown creator and im 100% good enough to make feature worthy levels. so the point that vortrox is making is completely invalid
@@febrezegamin Yeah, he just doesn’t realize that it’s the mod system at fault here
Im a person with creator points and the system still managed to fail to rate 3 of my rate worthy level which each has 6+ sends already on it and also additional 3 levels with around 1 - 2 senda , whats the problem with them? Only because of the luck factor , heck i had to even reupload one level to get it rated and it was sent by same mod who did sent original level before because if the rng status
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DAMN not a single miss in this video 😳
Why does nobody care when good levels go under the radar? And why do people say that bad levels deserved to get rated?
The mod system is completely broken. Its biased, really strict and just a bad look on the GD community.
"It dosent matter that this level gets rated, all it does is give a creator a UFO and makes the number next to the hammer go up a few digits". What you just read there is soemthing that famous creators who get MANY features and are sometimes MODS THEMSELVES, would say when people complain about bad levels getting featured. Aspiring creators should not listen and go with people who say these things, because all it does it de-motivate them to create and it also makes them burn themselves out. when people should first create for fun and if theyre levels do well, they should start trying to get CP. But making people think that creator points are worthless, it blocks a ton of people from popularity they should get. TH-camrs who say stuff that degrades the creator point make people not want to get creator points. All it does is just turns the create button from a fun place full of creativity, into a warzone battling for popularity. Sorry if that went on a while, but in short, i think that the mod system is broken and featured levels DO MATTER! But people dont think it does! Welp, im out of stuff to rant about. Enjoy the vid
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i think wulzy and vortox think that it does matter which levels get rated sense both of them do level requests and make levels so it is clear their opinions have changed
Eh, not really. They were both moderators before making their videos (I think) and have always done level requests. While they probably do understand the importance of rating levels, they both downplay the unfairness of the mod system in its current state, as well as the impact of rating so many bad levels. But perhaps you’re right. It’s been 2 years, maybe their opinions have changed.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Wulzy has made a video few days ago about an OG of GD left GD because of there was a stupid daily level with stupid gameplay that day. And it proved that Wulzy still kept his opinion…
@@chaken6187 Huh?
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 the video Wulzy talked about the rating system was 2 years ago. You thought that his opinion might be changed in the future. But Wulzy uploaded a video talking about pg1004’s situation recently. He still keeps his old opinion…
@@chaken6187 Dang
Another video another banger!!
Agreed with what you said👍
Holy shit underrated content creator
Thank you! Is this the first video of mine you’ve been exposed to?
True
i have a lot of disagreements, but i'm too lazy to rewatch and construct decent point-by-point counter arguments.
Something about luck; and bad levels not being the main problem.
Okay. If you get the motivation to write a full response, let me know
7:48 wow
Agreed 👍
Ok robtop does what he wants with the rating system, but what is wrong with the stupid map packs?!
they suck
Why is robtop the only one to decide it something ACTUALLY gets the rate?! Imo Elder Mods should have the power to do this as well, makes the system much faster
Perhaps, although that could get weird if they don’t all have the same standards
Elder mods being able to rate levels would literally kill the game, it would overwhelm stargrinders and a lot of them would quit. for creators, it would make getting creator points not as special and make people lose motivation to create.
@@thearmyants. It would do literally none of those things.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 I am literally a stargrinder with 40k stars and a creator with 3 creator points and yes, that would 100% happen. If everyone was given a creator point so easily, then the moment I got my first wouldn't feel as special. And for stargrinding, I always lose a ton of motivation whenever robtop does like a 50 level ratewave of nondemons...
@@thearmyants. Having Elder Mods rate levels would not make CP easier to acquire; it would only make the process less luck-based, because levels that would get rated by Elder mods are levels that would get rated by Robtop anyway if he didn’t have so much on his plate. Devaluing of rates comes from rating bad levels, not from rating good levels.
WULZY cannot be talking he literally has wulzy choose block featured. Challenge where he used the worst blocks in the game. The levels ass I can make something better than it and it will never get rated even if it gets sent because "it's not good enough"
Yeah but they don’t even send their levels to mods 🤔
"theres just no way that rob can comb through potentially rate-worthy levels at the same rate they're created at"
this is incredibly true, and why i personally believe that elder mods should be able to rate levels as well.
unfortunately, i dont really agree with most of your other points, as the implication in about 80% of them is that some levels are just objectively "good" and "bad" (or at least "rateworthy" and "not rateworthy"), which is a pretty indefensible notion. ultimately, like all art, there can be objectivity in criticism, but a lot just comes down to personal taste. for example, you mentioned xo as a level not deserving of a rate, which is something that i think a lot of people would disagree with - the gameplay gimmicks are extremely unique, the sync is s-tier, and the progression and subtle details make up for a lack of flashy decoration.
There’s lots of disagreement over what makes a level good or rate-worthy, but that’s beyond the scope of this video. The point of this isn’t to discuss which levels in particular should/shouldn’t be rated, but just to point out that we should care more about the rating system.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 your video certainly convinced me that its a shame when good levels by hardworking creators go unnoticed, but im still not really sold on the idea that "bad" levels (which, remember, is pretty subjective) getting rated is somehow bad for the game's community (unless the level is really buggy, impossible, or nsfw ofc). good creators not getting cp/recognition is a shame, but bad creators getting it is not only not a big deal, it also already happens on a much bigger scale thanks to the youtube algorithm (cough cough icedcave cough cough).
sorry this was rambly lol
@@visiblerat Hmm. It (bad levels getting rated) is a pretty big deal for the reasons I outlined in the video
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 the problem with your reasoning is that you cannot objectively call a level bad or not rateworthy. Your entire arguement rests upon the notion that there is an empirical metric by which levels can be judged, when there really isnt. It is not yours, or anyones beside robs place to decide whether or not a level be deemed 'good enough' for a rate, and to believe you do is entitlement beyond comprehension.
With no empirical measure, your point falls apart, because there is no way to safely determine what levels are good and what levels are pollutants (which is already an incredibly disrespectful to call the level, regardless of the level quality).
@@squizaaard "you cannot objectively call a level bad or not rateworthy." Neither can Robtop, and I don't see you accusing him of "entitlement beyond comprehension". Is Robtop the only person who's allowed to have an opinion? Is anyone who presents an alternative idea of how the rating system could work a narcissist to you?
You are right that there is no objective or empirical way to determine which levels should or shouldn't be rated. This can only be done based on personal preferences. However, Robtop already decides which levels are good enough based on subjective (and inconsistent) standards, so you really have no point here.
Finally, I don't understand why you have a problem with me calling bad rated levels pollutants. It's the truth. When bad levels get rated, not only are good levels less likely to also be rated, but the ones that do will be competing for attention with bad levels, meaning their creators will get less recognition for their work. I don't know why you're so offended by me stating this, especially as I'm criticizing levels that you didn't even make.
When you say that rob rates old impossible levels, its mostly the community that wants it. I hate aod, and its probably my least favorite old impossible level (and has the drama surrounding its lack of a rate) and the community pressures rob to rate it so it can be on the demon list. I think thats a flawed argument as rob received backlash and the only way to not get backlash is to rate aod. If the dl never existed, old impossible levels might not get rated (with exceptions like silent club and silent clubstep imo)
Good point. Why does pointercrate have to only include rated levels? It would solve so many problems if they didn’t.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 the problem with having unrated levels on pointercrate is that the quality of levels would go down significantly
@@mason9199 Eh, I’m not so sure
I feel that old impossible levels are rated not because they were impossible but because they are old, let me explain.
levels like silent club step are by no means rate worthy by todays standards but at the time it was made, it was! it just took a very long time to verify.
@@darkmooshroomgd6604 To me, that only applies if they were already rated during their time (so levels like Silent Club)
"I get that people are looking for their first cp" Bro 💀
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It actually doesn’t matter because this is a decade old phone game that costs 2 bucks.
completely agreed
i try to explain me hope you can understand :/
a friend said to me one day "there is no good level without bad level, there is no good level without bad" and I think he is absolutely right in any case I think that all this pile of bad level we may not have as much talent today so unfortunately we have to live with that it's sad but there will always be a guy who will for example make a remake of the sakupen circles for the fun and that will have a rated, it will still have horrible levels it will be redesigned by robtop and it's better like that,because the game belongs above all to the one who plays it, so I have to say something:
the rating system is not bad as they say (it's a bad prejudice), it's just managed with just the feet
no frankly yes i agree it has quite controversial and shitty rates that are rates (hmm silent clubstep for example) but that doesn't make the rating system bad, robtop rates I don't know how many levels per day , and there are many more that we sent to him, he can't rate them all (especially if it's a demon he won't play there), especially since he has to manage 2.2, gd servers, reading his emails, going to the gym apparently and managing this family...
it's also not clear, people are complaining that levels like you've been trolled have been classed as an april fool's prank -_-
there are also people who can't wait for a level to be assessed, that doesn't help.
I propose to trivialize star ratings (normal rates) to punish creators who make no effort to improve, and put them under "pressure"
I don’t see how any of what you said makes the rate system good. It sucks.
I dont hate bad decorated levels,I only hate levels with anoying gameplay
100% agree.
1:37 My deco part !!
good video however golden palace is not crap and it is unconstructive and disrespectful to call people's hard work "crap"
i get it its an opinion and it doesnt have to be constructive but sometimes you should keep your thoughts inside
just saying though, otherwise i cant argue with your points
Yeah, but in this video I never said anything specific about any particular level, because that’s not what this video is about.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 2:19 that does seem like saying something about a particular level, though
@@robianny My bad, you’re right.
0:30 which lvl is that?
3:41 Maybe fix how you say "Creator Points" a bit...
11:15 gd inflation... oh god.
Lol
good vid
7:44 or you can try the recent tab..
I’m talking about “real” levels here
While I definitely see where you're coming from
1. Wulzys video was specifically addressing jealousy and not much else.
2. I honestly don't care if crap like silent club or thinking space is rated, mainly cause it's barely taking any attention away from actual good levels, I mean are they gonna be more popular? No doubt they for sure are, but does it mean actual good levels won't get rated until the heat death of the universe? No.
3. There are plenty of unrated levels that still get attention, for example: Peaceful, collab level (before it was rated), diabolical clubstep, poocu and twocu, all of Vismuths levels were getting attention before getting rated.
4. Only caring about creator points is a really bad mindset, sure it's okay to think "Huh this seems decent so far! Maybe I could even get a rate", but JUST wanting your level to be rated can make you not want to work on anything at all, and then you'll end up being another person who just goes to random rated levels and comment stuff like "If this can get rated then why can't my levels be rated?", which can also be hella demotivating towards the person who made it, whether it's a comment on the level or a video of it, your own video, on twitter, etc.
Oh also I might as well add this even if it is unrelated, you screenshotted my comment a while ago and posted it without censoring my name with the clear intention of making fun of me, and while nothing bad happened, one way or another that was REALLY irresponsible of you, but I already know you'll do it again with this one, so have fun with that I guess?
I don’t see how that’s irresponsible of me. If you don’t want people screenshooting what you say, don’t post comments on the internet.
@rootbeerfloathas pop I didn't come back to this comment because I didn't want to put up with this, and now I remember exactly why.
Firstly, you didn't even respond to the points I made, if anything I might as well have not even added them.
And secondly, my point with the whole irresponsible thing was admittedly kind of vague, but what I meant was that you have a decent following, and you made a COMMUNITY POST about it, not censoring my name, clearly intending to humiliate me, or at least that's the only way I see this, I don't think I need to explain what could have gone wrong here, and while it didn't, it all COULD have happened because I had a different opinion than you, hope that's clearer.
@@Orng9987 If you really think that my post was intended to “humiliate” you, you’re overreacting. The only thing I said in that post is that I disagreed with what you said and found the comment really annoying. I’m sorry that I wasn’t respectful of your opinion.
Anyway, no part of that post used language that would incite harassment or bullying of any kind. It would never have caused you humiliation.
@@Orng9987 I will respond to what you said about my video soon
1. I KNOW that he was talking about "jealousy". That's why I have a problem with his video- because I take issue with what he says about "jealousy".
2. These levels getting rated do, indeed, take attention away from actual good levels and make it harder for said actual good levels to get rated, as I covered in this video.
3. Because the creators of those levels are already well-known and don't always need their levels to be rated for them to spread. How many views do you think the Collab Level showcase would have gotten if it was by an unknown, instead of a household name (Mindcap)?
4. This video has nothing to do with creator points, as I said multiple times. And why are you so confident that wanting one's level to get rated is bound to turn one into a toxic child who sends hate towards other creators?
wee wee by galofuf, must i say more?
I think you should
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 it deserves epic for sure, but hadn't been rated for 10 months, even after multiple sends
@@n3t_force M0ZZ M0ZZ by NII0N is definitely an epic worthy level and its not rated
You are so real for this
Thanks for the support
I kind of disagree. Kind of. Your conclusion that it would be better if we just stopped rating bad levels is really unsatisfying because the quality of a level is completely subjective and the mods may have totally different standards than you. Yes, creator points are a finite resource and this is one of the reasons I think a system where rob isn’t the one rating the levels would be much better. But you can’t really say that a level is objectively bad and these resources have been used poorly when the mod that sent it thinks it’s great. However, I do think that a large amount of levels rated today are pretty unoriginal and bland. It’s a well known fact in psychology that if a person is doing something for a reward they will perform significantly worse than if they aren’t. I think this drives people to start caring more about attention and less about actually having fun building, leading to uninspired sludge (that’s not to say a lot of people don’t still build for fun under the system). The other problem I take with this video is it assumes that everyone cares about about getting their levels rated. I have made rate-worthy levels (in my eyes) and really, I would much rather spend time starting a new level instead of trying to get the previous one rated. Why? Because all a rated level gets me is attention and extrinsic motivation. Don’t get me wrong, getting your stuff recognized can totally help with motivation but for me at least, intrinsic motivation is a lot more reliable than extrinsic and relying on attention for motivation can lead to burnout. Of course, other people may feel differently. I don’t really care that I spent a year on a level and it’s currently sitting at less than 200 downloads because the process of building it was the most rewarding part but others might. I do agree though that there’s a lot of problems with the system and they need to be fixed.
I didn’t say that EVERYONE builds for attention. Other than that, I don’t have a problem with your comments on that.
Some things and levels are objectively better or worse than other things or levels.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301Well, it sounded like you were saying rated levels matter to everyone based on the way you phrased things and the title. I understand though. But you cannot judge a level objectively. If you could, two people of similar reasoning ability would look at a level and reach the exact same conclusion. Obviously people in the community disagree about rates all the time. Art is subjective.
@@cindersnap. You can judge a level objectively. There are things that make a level objectively better than another.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Such as? Every aspect of a level is subjective and even if they weren’t, different people value different aspects more than others. Maybe a level is very realistic. You could say that it objectively depicts reality accurately but that doesn’t make it objectively good. A person might heavily prefer more abstract styles.
@@cindersnap. Such as: Having decoration, gameplay that syncs to the music, gameplay that is onscreen and easy to sightread, (unless it’s a memory level, of course) using colours that work well together according to colour theory, difficulty that stays in the same league throughout the level.
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im fairly confident this is just you being a contrarian, but i think you need to realise that a lot of the content you're covering is both old and more or less coming from someone who had a good experience (which doesn't really justify their arrogance nonetheless). The rating system is flawed, sure, but not nearly as bad as you're claiming. I think that most of the complaints you have revolve around wanting to sustain someone's ego, and most of the time, it genuinely is just jealousy. You're giving the community too much credit, thinking they care about the state of the game rather than just their own benefit. I'm just gonna say it, yes wulzy is wrong about the attention but also i feel like its hard to criticise a system you arent directly involved with. I understand your point but at the end of the day, it would make sense to not make it just rob rating levels
Okay, so the things you mentioned near the start (the age of the videos I’m responding to and what their perspectives are) are things that I’m well aware of already. I even acknowledged that the videos are over two years old in the pinned comment!
Secondly, you claimed- without evidence- that the rating system is “only to serve someone’s ego” and “not as bad as I think it is”. I already proved in this video that star ratings are way more important than that, and if anything, the system is even WORSE than I let on. There are comments here from people whose levels have 20+ mod sends but still aren’t featured. Lastly, you tried to assert that I don’t know what I’m talking about or shouldn’t discuss a system that I’m not directly involved in, which doesn’t make any sense either; I clearly demonstrated my knowledge of the subject with my arguments, evidence and an actual example from someone who IS “directly involved”.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 woah okay, you've just blown my statement way out of proportion. I widely agree with some of your statements and ive worded a few things poorly but what i mean is that a lot of people who genuinely complain about the rating system are genuinely just jealous and dont consider the wider impact of rating bad levels
@@anotherxd5384 If you mostly agree, then may I ask why you said that I’m being a contrarian? Unless that was also poor wording.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 it was more a jumble of thoughts than a comprehensive criticism. I definitely disagree with some points but i can understand where you're coming from on a wider view
I disagree
Why?
“I disagree” **starts disappearing**
11:42 literally makes no sense. "good" and "bad" levels do not exist. it is all subjective...
You’re taking the idea of subjectivity to the extreme. There are levels that objectively should not be rated, unless you’re about to vehemently defend Conical Depression.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Conical depression was rated due to a bet krmal had with robtop, krmal did it and thats why its rated. so yes, it should be rated.
@@thearmyants. Levels should be rated based on quality, not “bets”
@@thearmyants. Also, your comment doesn’t provide reasoning for CD being a good level.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Conical depression does a good job at representing stereo madness in a 1.0 way - while still being very difficult, kind of the same way XO is a really good level with an awesome atmosphere but CD does it without many triggers.
Okay, but Demon mixed by OggY is TRASH
Okay
10:40 but xo and thinking space are good :/
No
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 i guess that's your opinion
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 be sure to assassinate me, but these two are my most favourite extreme demons
@@tonyking2880 I will 😈
no it doesnt matter its a 1 dollar square game
Yes it does matter, watch the video 🤦♂️
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Creation "Skill" does not exist in a rating sense to me. If a player spends weeks, maybe even months developing their creation, and then when they release it realize their effort meant nothing because it was not on par with rating standards. This course of events is not only demotivating and discouraging, but also unfair considering that there are rated levels which could be replicated piece by piece in a matter of days. Creators who spend a long time of honest (emphasis on Honest) effort on a project should gain a token of recognition for their efforts regardless of how it looks. With the emphasis on "Honest", it fairly restrains the filter for recognition. There are plenty of levels that are worked on for a long time but are lazy and poorly made. These levels are a waste of time spent; in the context that there was ample time available to create the level. As I acknowledge that everybody has a life beyond GD and probably have jobs, plans, schedules that take up time in their lives.
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Heres the annoying part, the argument i make about wasted time and poorly made levels is contradictory to itself and defeats its own argument. As now, skill is thrown into the equation. The time spent on the level doesnt ensure the same quality product, similarly to how a 5 year old and 35 year old artist would produce radically different pieces if given 2 hours to produce.
In the time its taken me to write this comment, i have reached a new level of understanding and recognize creating skill as a real factor.
All in all, this comment means nothing.
Uh… yeah…?
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