I bloody love 44t production values. Gorgeous opening B roll ,you’ve got the slider out and it’s all videotastic. Then you put a fart on the transition. Awesome.
@@chrisg4rr377 He is editor of Superbike magazine, previously did videos with Bike world and recently did some of the TT live and build up to the TT films
John is so good at this stuff, asking the right questions that come from extensive research and product knowledge. Looking forward to how Triumph progress with this and the other choices.
Batteries can only take in and expel so much energy in a period, getting hot and cooling is one way to manage the issue. But smaller/lower powered bikes are the way to go as you can take what you have now and with limited power, the range is extended and lighter weight overall making more difference again. Great commuters.
WTF that's erroneous. The main thing high performance Electric bikes are known for is overkill power and torque output. Cooling has been a problem in the past because many have not had much active cooling, seems like it's time to invest in liquid cooling of the battery pack. But still the previous high performance electric bikes could handle a decent amount of thrashing. Limited power just for commuter makes no sense, the only real way to make e-bikes attractive is brute force.
I think this will be the best electric bike mainly cause of the Re-Gen technology and they have been at it a long while now especially the collaborative efforts with Williams etc.
More of John Hogan please, love his work. Due to the candid nature of this interview I sense triumph aren’t really sure they can make this work. At £28k I’d say it’s impossible
Looks like we won't be seeing that bike in the show rooms anytime soon , learned a lot , thank you very much for a grwat interview. Sure hope Ducati is successful in MotoE next yr. as they are in GP .
well ... all other issues / debates aside ..... I have to say it's visually awesome and very aesthetically pleasing. Even the frame mounted headlight, which I dislike on the street triples, looks perfect on this. Love the short back end too. Yep, thats a sweet looking machine 😁
Looks good to go, but £30k for an electric Speed Triple would be a bloody hard sell. The only electric bikes I can imagine selling well would be 50cc or maybe 125cc equivalents that can be ridden on L Plates and cost a couple of grand to buy and a pittance to insure. I think the market for 150+hp superbikes is going to be an impossible one to convert, it's city dwellers that want a cheap and quick way of getting about that will buy into electric.
I'm always banging on about this, it feels like the EV market is jumping from Model T Ford to Bugatti Veyron, but not focusing on everything in between that most people will be buying. If you want the motorcycle world to go green, then we need to see EV equivalents in both performance and cost, of the CG/CB125's and CB/GS500's of the world. I also think the big manufacturers should be looking into ways of developing kits to swap the engine in an old ICE bike to an EV and enable the continued use of something that would otherwise be scrapped, even though it's a perfectly usable vehicle!
@@KuroSanArts totally agree. Even after all these years of EV car manufacture there isn't really an affordable 'everyday' car available. the bikes are the same but years behind.
I wonder if the problems more the battery tech being expensive. Say the battery tech in the bike costs £10k to produce, putting it in a 50cc/125cc equivalent shell might put you at £14k sale price. That is a big ask for a learner bike that would otherwise be £5k. While the people running out and buying £25k ducatis might see the benefit of using something electric instead for a little bit more. Hopefully over time when all of this hits mass production the prices will drop substantially.
Good to see John on 44T, remember his review of a triumph bagger if memory serves, where he didn’t pack for the weather and ended up wearing his boxers on his head!
John's brand of journalism is so refreshing to see and always welcome on 44T. Educated, poignant, and non-biased - he manages to ask the questions we would ask ourselves and maintains an open opinion throughout. Great content as always lads!
Echo the best wishes - and he could well dabble in trikes, but given that it’s below knee on the brake side, and with a suitable prosthetic setup, could he just get back ‘on it’?
@@sumdude2247 He had a massive accident during a TT qualifier. You can find more details on the 44teeth site or on a recently released video (the blog) comments and description.
If they can bring the cost down later down the line, this would fly out of dealerships like a better tesla equivalent for bikes. Good old British Triumph at their best - the forefront of innovation and development
They need to do a B road killer, like a SuperMoto. Even with half the hp and half the range, and much less weight, would make sense for many as a fun commuter.
As said below, sharp questions. Great presentation and quite a glimpse into the future, cheers. I nearly fell off my seat at the end, Triumph has acquired Oset? Oh happy days! Caveat being that Triumph / Oset must contend the Trial-E championship at some point.
What about electric track day bikes? We have noise limits everywhere. No issues with coolant and oil leaks … Range is not a massive concern (as long as you can recover 20’ of riding in 60’, you’d be fine). Any opinions @44teeth?
Sign me up, for when I can afford one… and for now I will continue to ride my (beloved) STT RS. I applaud the effort for the prototype though, looks super sharp and can’t wait one day to try these mega acceleration with a sweet triumph chassis 😀
To be clear the HD only made 100hp...I would pay the HD Livewire price for this Triumph in a heartbeat 💓. The Livewire was a heavy 💩, this triumph is powerful enough that it will still be more then enough bike for the streets even in 20 years.
Ah no. If you're talking about looks, okay (but not fussed on those either) but you're saying they nailed it by making a bike that they won't produce, which if they did produce could cost between 25 and 30k, can only do 100 miles (less than they promised) and not at full beans, and will need a high flow charger to achieve that 80/20 recharge rate? You must be kidding right? Okay, simple question: In what way is this bike unique? And I do mean unique in the true sense of the word. Please sate facts.
@@ChumiStu Well I have a Daytona and I love it. I don't know about dominating but for me, they are not appealing when it comes to sportsbikes or nakeds. But then the main market is not in that sector, which puzzles me about why they chose to demonstrate a (not so) Super Naked as the electric lead for the brand.
Blimey, have 44T given Charlie Hiscott a job ? 😅 no messing about with the questions ! Electric bikes have had absolutely no appeal to me so far but this looks quite appealing. Great video 😁👍🏻
I hope they produce something like this for enthusiasts and then something like the trident for the small capacity bikes he was talking about. That would be great for commuting
should race in the moto America hooligan class. id like to see how it stacks up aginst the zero and energica on track. also 3:22 look at those chicken strips even after the hot shot rode it, does the body work touch before the edge of the tire? also belt drive? is your motor controller a bit hinky, so its not smooth enough for a normal chain? a chain is a lot more efficient so that belt is gonna hurt the range.
The main problem is still the anxiety of the distance you can travel before you have to charge and if you are able to find a charging point and if it works and how long you will have to wait to get sufficient charge so you can get how. Riding a motorbike does not give much space to carry your shopping home from the supermarket.
How the TE-1 wheelies, must be rigged for the photo opt. To succeed with buyers, it’ll need to provide selectable power output software, albeit the mileage range provided. Sure the base 175hp is good for most cases, with maximum mileage provided. But there’s a squirrel next to me on a H2/R that I want to deal with. Hence I’d need to dial it up to 300hp to set things right. The motor has produced 670hp in testing, so 300hp (half that figure) should be an available option to buyers. Sure I’d need to recharge it early, but that’s the price of victory in a race. Streetfighters aren’t wimpy, so you gotta have a desirable selling point.
I beat a fair number of teams developing electric vehicles were ever so slightly irritated when news broke of synthetic fuel... I would have liked a question about how "green" this bike (or something like it) would really be, especially after recent reports (I forget the sources, but didn't one of the reports come out of Volvo?) that electric vehicles don't become less polluting in total until like 60-80k miles? And then it's about time to replace the battery? Seems a bit ridiculous. Are these things really "the future" with numbers like that? Maybe those numbers are different for motorcycles than cars?
Just ride one and you’ll throw your other urban toys away. IMO they are just so much better. Don’t worry about battery longevity, they will outlast the average riders total lifetime mileage by a significant factor
I'm not exactly sure but I think it is the worst example they are taking in the report. I'm guessing it would be better if you were to use clean energy to charge it (like solar on your own roof) instead of fast charging everytime with power from a gas plant or whatever. I'm not sure about battery life as that seems very anecdotal to consider how long a battery lasts but at least to me it seems that there are not many battery replacements happening. In any case I would not trade in my ice car that I currently own that should still run for a decade for an ev but I would very much consider it if it were a new purchase to replace a broken or end of life car. The issue is that EVs seem to be something like a luxury consumable lease instead of a practical longtime transportation tool because that's how they build and market them. I hope that changes. I do think 125cc equivalent electric bikes or scooters have a great place in urban commuting in Europe.
@@_Makanko_ You hit the nail on the head. These bikes don't cover great mileages. The mileages we're talking about will thus never reach the critical point at which an EV starts to offset its superior initial ecological cost with reduced riding emissions. A 125 equivalent on the other hand... See, I'm looking to add a 125cc commuter to stable alongside my Ninja 1000 as the thou simply doesn't make sense around town. There's not a single convincing option in that sector of the market.
Excellent insight there 44t, good job. Really like the TE-1 and am excited to see where it leads. On the subject of smaller capacity bikes....Electric Supermoto's anyone?
Yeah I know he said Harley Livewire price but at the end of the day they aren’t going to make it so he can say anything. There’s no way that bike would be the same as Livewire. Just look at it. £35k minimum. All just conjecture of course as we will never know.
Gotta love 44teeth journalism. No BS pandering here. Just real, sharp questions that we the audience really want answers to. Great content!
Agreed, great interview.
This guy interviewing should never be given a mic again, he’s boring and his face shows it
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I bloody love 44t production values. Gorgeous opening B roll ,you’ve got the slider out and it’s all videotastic. Then you put a fart on the transition. Awesome.
That’s no fart! It is a duck
A barking spider perhaps?
Just a squeaky floorboard
About to grab the B roll as I sit here and watch.
John is a bloody good journo.
Really appreciate Triumph's openness with their development projects. Great update!
Best looking electric bike so far!
Take note Japanese manufactures
Amazing to see a Ducati Streetfighter V2 in silver.....
Eh, the Energica Ego is dead sexy and you can buy one today.
I reckon Honda will take the win when they catch up
So pleased to see John on 44teeth, massive fan of both separately, seeing them both together is awesome!
Had the exact same reaction..cheers
Where do i know him from? He's not normally on 44T is he?
@@chrisg4rr377 He is editor of Superbike magazine, previously did videos with Bike world and recently did some of the TT live and build up to the TT films
@@adamtehan1936 ahh yes thats where it is. Cheers
I have to admit I am disappointed this won't go into production. This was the only electric bike I was interested in buying. It looks amazing
John is so good at this stuff, asking the right questions that come from extensive research and product knowledge.
Looking forward to how Triumph progress with this and the other choices.
Thanks for the update John Hogan! Hopefully you will become a regular. Can never have too many pros like yourself and the other guys already on.
Great interview John, thanks!
Batteries can only take in and expel so much energy in a period, getting hot and cooling is one way to manage the issue.
But smaller/lower powered bikes are the way to go as you can take what you have now and with limited power, the range is extended and lighter weight overall making more difference again. Great commuters.
WTF that's erroneous. The main thing high performance Electric bikes are known for is overkill power and torque output. Cooling has been a problem in the past because many have not had much active cooling, seems like it's time to invest in liquid cooling of the battery pack. But still the previous high performance electric bikes could handle a decent amount of thrashing. Limited power just for commuter makes no sense, the only real way to make e-bikes attractive is brute force.
The obvious questions asked and no dancing around. I applaud you both 👏
Looks flippin' awesome - can't say that about many EVs
That’s a fantastic looking bike as it is, hope it doesn’t change to much apart from the range
LOVE IT TRIUMPH - If you build it, we will buy them - current 2020 Speed triple owner!!!
John, first video I've seen of yours, Brilliant I look forward to seeing more.
I think this will be the best electric bike mainly cause of the Re-Gen technology and they have been at it a long while now especially the collaborative efforts with Williams etc.
That's like saying Sir Jimmy Saville was the best paedophile mainly cause of
his close association with Israel.
Zero use Regen technology on their bikes.
Don't matter how good it is. Won't b selling my bikes any time soon
@@jack14kd likewise when you look at the initial cost & how long it will take to recuperate the difference in running costs of my existing MT07.
That was very informative. Straight to the point and actually meaningful questions
I did NOT expect John's face to pop up on 44teeth.
Not complaining though :D
John Hogan brings serious journalism to 44teeth… if you like that type of thing! 👍
Definitely the coolest looking EB so far
Hands down the best electric motorcycle yet.
Thats a great looking machine, easily one of the best looking e-motorcyles ive ever seen, looks like a sexy speed triple.
More of John Hogan please, love his work. Due to the candid nature of this interview I sense triumph aren’t really sure they can make this work. At £28k I’d say it’s impossible
Triumph: It's just a prototype, we won't be putting this into production.
Me: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!
The name is John, John fireblade
From the realities of battery development to the deployment of the charging infrastructure, this conversation was REAL!
Great to see John a 44t, seems like a perfect fit for the team. 👍
Love seeing John…brilliant journo and not afraid to push though marketing waffle to get to the krux
Nice to see john hogan make an appearance 👌
What a great interview. Thanks for the clear unbiased update
This is the first E-motorcycle that actually excites me.
Looks like we won't be seeing that bike in the show rooms anytime soon , learned a lot , thank you very much for a grwat interview. Sure hope Ducati is successful in MotoE next yr. as they are in GP .
well ... all other issues / debates aside ..... I have to say it's visually awesome and very aesthetically pleasing. Even the frame mounted headlight, which I dislike on the street triples, looks perfect on this. Love the short back end too. Yep, thats a sweet looking machine 😁
Excellent interview! Well done all involved
Great vid this. Asked all the important questions. Cheers! :)
Smart interview as always. And still an exciting project!
Oh yeah dats bad ass love from Miami FL USA 🇺🇸
Looks good to go, but £30k for an electric Speed Triple would be a bloody hard sell.
The only electric bikes I can imagine selling well would be 50cc or maybe 125cc equivalents that can be ridden on L Plates and cost a couple of grand to buy and a pittance to insure.
I think the market for 150+hp superbikes is going to be an impossible one to convert, it's city dwellers that want a cheap and quick way of getting about that will buy into electric.
I'm always banging on about this, it feels like the EV market is jumping from Model T Ford to Bugatti Veyron, but not focusing on everything in between that most people will be buying. If you want the motorcycle world to go green, then we need to see EV equivalents in both performance and cost, of the CG/CB125's and CB/GS500's of the world.
I also think the big manufacturers should be looking into ways of developing kits to swap the engine in an old ICE bike to an EV and enable the continued use of something that would otherwise be scrapped, even though it's a perfectly usable vehicle!
Excellent points.
@@KuroSanArts totally agree. Even after all these years of EV car manufacture there isn't really an affordable 'everyday' car available. the bikes are the same but years behind.
I wonder if the problems more the battery tech being expensive. Say the battery tech in the bike costs £10k to produce, putting it in a 50cc/125cc equivalent shell might put you at £14k sale price. That is a big ask for a learner bike that would otherwise be £5k. While the people running out and buying £25k ducatis might see the benefit of using something electric instead for a little bit more.
Hopefully over time when all of this hits mass production the prices will drop substantially.
@@DanielBrain I think that's probably it, I can't imagine that anything engineered by Williams is going to be cheap.
Good to see John on 44T, remember his review of a triumph bagger if memory serves, where he didn’t pack for the weather and ended up wearing his boxers on his head!
It was freezing 🤷🏻♂️
I could watch both these guys talk all day long!
best looking new Triumph ever! Produce that with a triple in it too please!
This dude made the Ducati scrambler and triumph speed twin reviews look too nice, made me want both bikes 🥲
Take my money, this thing looks beautiful.
Great interview & cracking looking bike.
Thanks. Great interview; awesome bike :D
That looks a hell of a bike ... First time hearing of if. But already want one....
Good to see one of the best in 44teeth! Has he been permanently stolen from the bike world gang??
John's brand of journalism is so refreshing to see and always welcome on 44T. Educated, poignant, and non-biased - he manages to ask the questions we would ask ourselves and maintains an open opinion throughout. Great content as always lads!
Great questions, really insightful
Very thorough, great job John 👏
my heart goes out to boothy 😢 hope he has a speedy recovery. also looking forward to trike reviews from boothy :)
Echo the best wishes - and he could well dabble in trikes, but given that it’s below knee on the brake side, and with a suitable prosthetic setup, could he just get back ‘on it’?
@@RoryMacdonald-pfff I'm hoping he can do thumb brake once he's well enough.
what happened to boothy? sorry haven't kept up to date.
@@sumdude2247 He had a massive accident during a TT qualifier. You can find more details on the 44teeth site or on a recently released video (the blog) comments and description.
@@_Makanko_ oh snap, so sorry to hear that, life really can change in a heartbeat. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
If they can bring the cost down later down the line, this would fly out of dealerships like a better tesla equivalent for bikes. Good old British Triumph at their best - the forefront of innovation and development
Brilliant as always.
They need to do a B road killer, like a SuperMoto. Even with half the hp and half the range, and much less weight, would make sense for many as a fun commuter.
They are developing motox bike's
@@zxgeorger source?
Ask Ricky Carmichael lol
As said below, sharp questions. Great presentation and quite a glimpse into the future, cheers.
I nearly fell off my seat at the end, Triumph has acquired Oset? Oh happy days!
Caveat being that Triumph / Oset must contend the Trial-E championship at some point.
Can't wait the first electric Triumph to make at least 3 laps around the track before the battery pack overheats and switches the bike to limp mode!
Good looking but it’s really yet another sparkly fish hook for the trap that is electric ( power station powered ) vehicles.
Just look at it! If you're not gonna sell it, at least do a special edition triple that looks like that. Gorgeous!
Great job on this video. This is the future get used to it The machine looks like a superbike and is!!!!
Looks amazing 🤩 great interview!
What about electric track day bikes? We have noise limits everywhere. No issues with coolant and oil leaks …
Range is not a massive concern (as long as you can recover 20’ of riding in 60’, you’d be fine).
Any opinions @44teeth?
Sign me up, for when I can afford one… and for now I will continue to ride my (beloved) STT RS.
I applaud the effort for the prototype though, looks super sharp and can’t wait one day to try these mega acceleration with a sweet triumph chassis 😀
The guys building these things are excited about it. Our bikes might sound different in the future, but you know what I think we'll be just fine :D
What a stunning looking machine!
To be clear the HD only made 100hp...I would pay the HD Livewire price for this Triumph in a heartbeat 💓. The Livewire was a heavy 💩, this triumph is powerful enough that it will still be more then enough bike for the streets even in 20 years.
Whatever triumph do, they just seem to nail it 💪
Ah no. If you're talking about looks, okay (but not fussed on those either) but you're saying they nailed it by making a bike that they won't produce, which if they did produce could cost between 25 and 30k, can only do 100 miles (less than they promised) and not at full beans, and will need a high flow charger to achieve that 80/20 recharge rate? You must be kidding right?
Okay, simple question: In what way is this bike unique? And I do mean unique in the true sense of the word. Please sate facts.
@@2002RM thinking more of the speed triple, Daytona 675, street triple, street twins, bobbers.
They dominate the market and one step ahead.
@@ChumiStu Well I have a Daytona and I love it. I don't know about dominating but for me, they are not appealing when it comes to sportsbikes or nakeds. But then the main market is not in that sector, which puzzles me about why they chose to demonstrate a (not so) Super Naked as the electric lead for the brand.
Blimey, have 44T given Charlie Hiscott a job ? 😅 no messing about with the questions !
Electric bikes have had absolutely no appeal to me so far but this looks quite appealing. Great video 😁👍🏻
Looks rad. I'd love an AWD Akira version :)
Stath stunt double looks a bit taller 🧐
Really good looking thing! Wishing that those looks and design ques trickle in the Triple lineup
Oh right, I saw some posters when I went for a service, was wondering how far along it was. Well, now I know :)
I hope they produce something like this for enthusiasts and then something like the trident for the small capacity bikes he was talking about. That would be great for commuting
should race in the moto America hooligan class. id like to see how it stacks up aginst the zero and energica on track. also 3:22 look at those chicken strips even after the hot shot rode it, does the body work touch before the edge of the tire?
also belt drive? is your motor controller a bit hinky, so its not smooth enough for a normal chain? a chain is a lot more efficient so that belt is gonna hurt the range.
looking great and they should build it....
It's gorgeous, ship it
Love the honesty
Wow! 44Teeth moving from school boy antics to professional journalism...Growing up?
It looks brilliant
can you imagine the length of the ques on the motorway service stations of people waiting to charge
It looks like it's got an arm or something laying across where the tank would be!
The main problem is still the anxiety of the distance you can travel before you have to charge and if you are able to find a charging point and if it works and how long you will have to wait to get sufficient charge so you can get how. Riding a motorbike does not give much space to carry your shopping home from the supermarket.
Change the front lights/ double the range.
Lovely looking bike, tell you what stick a 1200 triple engine in it and a race can and I'll have one👍
That's a cool looking thing TBH
How the TE-1 wheelies, must be rigged for the photo opt. To succeed with buyers, it’ll need to provide selectable power output software, albeit the mileage range provided. Sure the base 175hp is good for most cases, with maximum mileage provided. But there’s a squirrel next to me on a H2/R that I want to deal with. Hence I’d need to dial it up to 300hp to set things right. The motor has produced 670hp in testing, so 300hp (half that figure) should be an available option to buyers. Sure I’d need to recharge it early, but that’s the price of victory in a race. Streetfighters aren’t wimpy, so you gotta have a desirable selling point.
Great looking bike. Put in a high tech v4 two stroke or rotary and it’ll be a winner. Time to drop the electric myth.
I beat a fair number of teams developing electric vehicles were ever so slightly irritated when news broke of synthetic fuel... I would have liked a question about how "green" this bike (or something like it) would really be, especially after recent reports (I forget the sources, but didn't one of the reports come out of Volvo?) that electric vehicles don't become less polluting in total until like 60-80k miles? And then it's about time to replace the battery? Seems a bit ridiculous. Are these things really "the future" with numbers like that? Maybe those numbers are different for motorcycles than cars?
Indeed. You'd almost think there was some agenda behind the whole green/EV BS hysteria. Perish the thought.
Just ride one and you’ll throw your other urban toys away. IMO they are just so much better. Don’t worry about battery longevity, they will outlast the average riders total lifetime mileage by a significant factor
Anthropogenic climate change is fiction.
I'm not exactly sure but I think it is the worst example they are taking in the report. I'm guessing it would be better if you were to use clean energy to charge it (like solar on your own roof) instead of fast charging everytime with power from a gas plant or whatever.
I'm not sure about battery life as that seems very anecdotal to consider how long a battery lasts but at least to me it seems that there are not many battery replacements happening.
In any case I would not trade in my ice car that I currently own that should still run for a decade for an ev but I would very much consider it if it were a new purchase to replace a broken or end of life car.
The issue is that EVs seem to be something like a luxury consumable lease instead of a practical longtime transportation tool because that's how they build and market them. I hope that changes.
I do think 125cc equivalent electric bikes or scooters have a great place in urban commuting in Europe.
@@_Makanko_ You hit the nail on the head. These bikes don't cover great mileages. The mileages we're talking about will thus never reach the critical point at which an EV starts to offset its superior initial ecological cost with reduced riding emissions.
A 125 equivalent on the other hand...
See, I'm looking to add a 125cc commuter to stable alongside my Ninja 1000 as the thou simply doesn't make sense around town. There's not a single convincing option in that sector of the market.
Excellent insight there 44t, good job. Really like the TE-1 and am excited to see where it leads. On the subject of smaller capacity bikes....Electric Supermoto's anyone?
Great questions!
Slick and pointed interview.
Triumph always doing good in advertising
Great interview,.interesting facts
Great video cool bike, but il never change to these electric bikes
It looks incredible doesn't it! 🙂
Fuck me dead. It's alive and looks delicious!
Proper mudguards and a fairing?
Thought I was watching Bike World for a second... I've been asking on their channel what happened to ol' John Statham Hogan
Looks like a jazzed up SV650.
Nice to see the Statham brothers working side by side. Or phil and grant maybe?
Good to see you on 44T though John
Stunning looking bike. I'd love one. 100 mile range would suit me for my daily commute, and with care I could make it to see family.
Get your 28000 grand ready then 💚
And the rest ££££
Plus as said in the interview more like 80miles real world?
Yeah I know he said Harley Livewire price but at the end of the day they aren’t going to make it so he can say anything. There’s no way that bike would be the same as Livewire. Just look at it. £35k minimum. All just conjecture of course as we will never know.