At this point, the game should be preserved, not because is a gem from long gone age, but because out of spite towards whoever is trying to erase it from existance.
Luckily there are in fact still archives of the other archived copies avaliable for downloading, so the game is preserved for a while longer at least. God Bless the internet's tendency to hold on to files forever.
As of this writing, Vinesauce's videos of Cookie's Bustle have been taken down, and DMCA requests have removed existing TH-cam videos and Twitter clips of gameplay and cutscenes. The soundtrack has also been blacklisted from KHInsider's VGM website. The optimism of this video was very premature, in hindsight.
@@AeirEclipseHayastin John Vinesauce had mentioned during the initial VOD upload that he isn't gonna let the man win and will reupload it elsewhere if he must. And Vinny himself has filed a counter-claim on Twitch
Something about this whole thing really ignites something primal in me, unfortunately. Like someone's trying to take something away from me. I don't like feeling that way but this just all feels surreal, I've never seen anything like it.
Oh it’s 1000% a private Japanese collector. Reminder that these people are the reason we are still missing lots of old rare prototypes and PC98 games. They are some of the most petty and pathetic people in the hobby. Also, how to is it legal to backwards claim something you have not created yourself and have no intention of using?
the guy is claiming to be nintendo some random british company a japanese developer and a lot of other things hes not its clear he doesnt care about the law hes just abusing the fact its so easy to file copyright claims hope that lawyer who helped him falsely claim this gets disbarred though
I'm 99.9% convinced that whoever keeps issuing these mysterious copyright takedowns is a textbook copyright troll. I really don't see how anyone could benefit from being THIS overprotective of a game few people outside of Japan ever heard of and would probably still be obscure if not for the Streisand Effect their takedowns have created.
My rising theory is that this is involved with game resellers making retro games into a hustle/bubble, and whoever is doing this, is trying to make their copy of the game more valuable to become like a 'holy grail' for the collector circle (who just want to make money)
@@Hugsloth I hate that too because even if online files of the game are available that doesn't make the physical copy any less valuable imo. Having things in your hand is waaay different than just on your computer.
@@Hugsloth unfortunately I think that's right. Which in a way makes me less interested in it, which makes me kinda wish it would never have resurfaced so it could just stay valueless
it would be worse if this game turns out to be mid. imagine being a grown man wasting so much money just to "collect" a mid game that you won't even play.
I delight in the fact that the collector's blood must boil every time someone uploads something on cookie's bustle, because not only is this person making content on it, but they have access to it, it's likely downloaded to their computer. The genie can't go back in the bottle
I’m told there’s a few youtubers protected from copyright abuse due to previously being major targets of the practice. i feel like they need to start covering this game…
There should be an art preservation law that requires unruly children (I mean collectors) to archive certain one of a kind items that are at risk of becoming “lost media” and make them available to the public I.e “it belongs in a museum”
Absolutely not. In the age of the internet, dumping roms is a much safer option and two that just means the government will take these one of a kind items and just shove them in a warehouse where they’ll never see the light of day or worse get damaged / destroyed
@@lieutenant_lucky_rocks Perhaps, but the problem is that once government regulation gets involved it will _always_ overstep its bounds, become corrupt and systemically repress the very thing it was originally intended to protect. Always. The less the government is involved in... well, pretty much anything, the more freedom people have to find their own (potentially much more effective and less prone to corruption) methods to achieve their goals. In the case of media preservation, all it takes is a few stubborn archivists somewhere on the internet to keep distributing and redistributing said piece of media until such time that it inevitably outpaces/outlasts the corrupt intentions of those trying to stifle it, either through sheer magnitude of the archival effort or by forcing the censor to capitulate via other countermeasures. It's messy and its difficult, but it's better than getting the law involved in places it doesn't belong because then it's a doomed effort once that law is inevitably usurped. Just look at the copyright system - the thing that's supposed to protect media creators - and how it got us into this mess in the first place - be being abused by malicious actors due to technical or legal loopholes or flat-out corruption.
@@Armameteus Yeah, I feel like it’s a pretty messily worded proposition with a good heart. Honestly the best way to prevent situations like this would probably be through social pressure. Speak louder and more often about the importance of archival. And about what big pricks the hoarder-mentality private collectors are.
“a five year old girl from new jersey who believes she is a teddy bear.” as a new jersey resident, i find it so funny how random that location choice is.
When Vinny (Vinesauce) uploaded his video of Cookie's Bustle, I downloaded it just in case, and now that his video is down, I'm glad that I had downloaded it. I also luckily managed to download the game itself from Internet Archive before it was taken down. Another really unfortunate thing, though, is that this whole situation is making it SO much more difficult to get things made like translations/translated subtitles or versions of the game more compatible with modern computers, that make it more accessible. So I have the game itself, but I don't know how to run it on a modern computer, and I only know a few words/phrases of Japanese, so this situation still makes it more difficult to play the game despite having it downloaded.
for everyone asking, the guy behind fullsauce also has the video and i believe plans on putting it (or has) somewhere else. they aren't gonna let it go down without a fight, dont worry
@@when-do-we-get-a-block-button good to hear. though that does make me wonder a bit about how much unuploadable content they have in their vault, The Lost Sauce(tm). what with a few incidents having happened in the past where the uploads ended up having to be edited, or the pendulum music removal with the fantastic game
Very recently the unthinkable happened: A plot to take down the sprites of this game on TSR was thwarted after the site's admin, Dazz, called the unidentified copyright troll's bluff. There's still hope for this game yet!
It would be hilarious if someone put a copy of this game into a time capsule so, long after they and we are dead, Cookie's Bustle will be released unceremoniously upon the world with nobody to stop it.
you could start your own website hosting it if you were really motivated he holds no actual legal right to this game as far as i can tell hence why the mac site ignored him
Ever since I first saw gameplay of Cookie's Bustle over on Vinny's TH-cam channel, I've been very intrigued by this game, especially since it gives me nostalgia for almost all of the point-and-click titles I used to play a lot on my old Windows XP Gateway desktop. It has that inexplainable feeling that many of those games gave me back then, and it's all been coming back to me thanks to this game, even if I haven't quite figured out an easy way to play it just yet.
@@WithADanceNumber Johnny Fullsauce also says it wasn't nuked on YT but they took it down out of an abundance of caution, because they hard-striked his Twitch vod
This shit should be illegal. If you buy a copyright for something considered abandonware but you have no intention to put the game up for sale then you shouldn't be allowed to buy that copyright, or at least you shouldn't be able to enforce it. The Japanese are the worst for this and if you don't believe me then read Legends of Localisation Volume 1. There is an entire section dedicated to the Japanese collectors who refuse to upload games or re-release them. I don't know what it is about the Japanese that makes them so anti-archival but they are constantly letting games die and disappear. Even Sakaguchi recently said that he has no intention of re-releasing any of the Mistwalker games. Think about this mentality. This is a studio that released the recent RPG Phantasian which is an APPLE ARCADE exclusive. If Sakaguchi is so intent on letting his games die, then Phantasian is doomed because that's currently an online only game. Once the server is shut down, it's literally dead. No one will ever play it again. Utter madness. Anyway I am ranting, but the same is true here. A Japanese creator has seen that his game is being shared for free online and he is enforcing his copyright purely as a petty measure. He probably has no intention to release it on GOG or Steam. Fuck this practice and fuck this mindset. Fantastic video by the way, love your relaxing but well researched style.
Asians in general have this way of thinking that the more fleeting something is, more value it has. Not monetary value, just perceived value, as is in its uniqueness. I see the idea of being overzealous as unwanted as the modern obsession to archive everything. Think of it as meeting an annoying person in a trip that in no moment stop taking pictures of everything and everywhere they do. There's a point where that person is never living in the moment and always making objects to look back. But why translate that way of thinking literally to a video game, which thrives as art WHEN being played, I don't know.
Whatever you wrote is perfect example why mankind needs war and why war will never end. Its because one dude owns right (does not matter of what kind, what type, what you think about it or where it came from) and other person says: Fuck his mindset and fuck his decisions...im gonna hate him for it -> speak against him ->kill him for it C'mon verbal bub...dont be afraid. You made first two steps. Now whack a dude or you are just pussy who wrote whole ass paragraph on theme which interests literally nobody and its fictional problem with no resolve?
I wish I had your confidence. Sure, it'll backfire in that Cookie's Bustle will spread farther and wider in spite of the takedowns, but the person doing this won't face any actual consequences.
@@screamingcactus1753 I'm mostly referring to that yeah. People likely will never know who is doing it, but if their goal was to make it disappear, it's just gonna do the opposite & already has really, I wouldn't know about it if they didn't do it. Who knows, maybe that was the goal even
@@aturchomicz821 Yeah, they banned me off in SiIvaGunner so my comment is censored off at the channel. They hated the truth so they shut me up for it. I wish I could kept my mouth shut since Winter 2022 event...
Ok, on the topic of why a collector might wanna remove a games existence: this situation has sorta happened before. There was a unreleased snes rpg that was auctioned off to a collector. When people asked the collector to release the rom files: he kept it to himself as they were “a treasure of Japan”. This might be a similar case of a collector trying to keep a game restricted or hidden from the public cause they believe that it belongs to their country or some other kind of weird justification.
In case anybody wants to go down this rabbit hole, the game in question is called Shōnen Majutsushi Indym. Its an unreleased Famicom RPG that had a prototype cartridge appear on Yahoo Auctions in 2019. A video game preservation group called Forrest of Illusion tried to win the auction by crowdsourcing funds, but they were out bid by a private collector who paid 1,501,000 yen (~$11,000) for it. This person went on to give the following statement to a Japanese blog that covered the auction: "このタイトルはファミコンの歴史の大きな１ページであって、非売品をコピーして売りさばく者の手に渡るのだけはどうしても避けたかった。だから、ゲームが本当に好きな人達は安心して欲しい。日本の宝として必ず守っていきます。約束します。出品元からもれたらどうしようもないですが。" which when translated (rather shoddily via DeepL Translator) says: "This title is a big chapter in the history of the Famicom, and we really didn't want it to fall into the hands of people who would copy and sell non-saleable copies. So, I want to reassure those who really love the game that we will protect it as a Japanese treasure. I promise. If the game is leaked from the seller, there is nothing we can do about it."
@@oompalumpus699 In defense of Japan, everybody in the comments of the blog from which the quote originates was just as bewildered at this guy's moon logic as everybody in the west seems to be. One guy being a loon isn't indicative of the entire country.
@@just_add_a_3 Correlation gets confused with Causation and they often aren't entirely off. Some system in relation to Japan fosters something which leads to this being observed as more common. Problems in people are often signs of problem in a system not the people.
I've heard many Famicom games got lost this way. Private collectors refused to archive the roms of the cartridges and over time, bitrot made them lost forever.
Rest assured, people: Even though whoever it is is STILL nuking download links (Macintosh Repository has since been nuked, as well as at least one more Internet Archive link), they are fighting the ferocious Internet Hydra. This monster does not die easily. This game is NOT getting erased from existence.
I almost wanna say someone's trying to use the Streisand effect to promote something somehow, but probably it's just someone trying to see how far they can push dmca
The why disturbs me a lot, who is this man, why is a human using copyright as a weapon like this, what's their endgame? I don't get it, and it only ever gives me dreadful feelings thinking about it...
Based on the fact that the collector stated they weren't responsible for the takedown, it's mostly likely one of the devs for the game discovered their game was being talked about and shared around for free and just didn't want that to keep happening. Quite literally just personally do not want the game to be archived
To see people suffer or artificially inflate value since the law of supply and demand says this game is worth more now... despite it being the exact same in every possible regard. Or just ignorance.
Based patbytes, spreading awareness on yet another glaringly egregious instance of someone abusing copyright towards a product they blatantly don't own whatsoever. It's heartening to know so much of the wider 'Net has rallied towards the continued preservation of such an incredibly niche title. Perhaps games such as these weren't exactly best-sellers, but even residing in relative obscurity is a far, *far* better fate than having what exists of their legacy callously erased by desperate collectors. Excellent reporting, keep up the great work. 👏
>yet another glaringly egregious instance of someone abusing copyright towards a product they blatantly don't own whatsoever. Same thing, different day. I have reason to believe that intellectual property has become a bane on existence and should be abolished. If you don't agree, name me a case when copyright/patent claims were used to protect the property of a small business *that wasn't property trolling.*
@@Code7Unltd nobody can, because that case doesn't exist in modernity, because intellectual property law as it currently exists was directly manufactured by giant corporations to help maintain informational control and reduce competition
@@Code7Unltd | The occasional publisher that screws smaller developers out of royalties. Any time a dev DMCAs _their own game,_ you can bet something happened behind the scenes. I'll provide th-cam.com/video/z8eshOgK6uE/w-d-xo.html as an example.
@@RaceBandit I also recall the time Warner Bros. targeted HBO's storefront over copyright violations. The page specifically targeted was a preorder page for a 2-season set of Game of Thrones on DVD, the claim was made around the time Warner was using DMCA claims to try to quell a leaked Game of Thrones episode off the 'net.
My husband and I have talked about things we would do if we inexplicably became wealthy, and one of them is buying media to help preserve it and stop things like this from happening.
I can unfortunately picture a long-retired game dev, having just recently learned about Let’s Plays and Twitch, going on a rampage and screaming about how gameplay videos are piracy and that nobody wants to just buy a copy of a game anymore (not realizing that there’s only a limited amount of copies of the game available, in a language not everyone understands, on a long out of use version of an OS). I really hope it’s not the case, because that would be literally the only scenario in which the takedowns would have any legal backing.
Because our copyright system is both outdated and in-dated. But honestly that luckily will not be the case since the fact that it goes by different systems of copyright (it even poosed as nintendo of all things) shows that it is likely a copyright troll trying to make this game cease to exist for no reason but toher than either pettiness or cynical tones.
So, I actually have been working on a video project about Cookie’s Bustle after I came across it’s removal from the internet. I have some experience covering extremely obscure 90s PC games, and part of that has been recording a full playthrough on my virtual machine setup. I definitely agree that discovery is extremely important for these sorts of games. If nobody knows about them, they can’t possibly gain a cult following, which is why I think it’s really important to talk about obscure stuff like this
I got striked on SketchFab and Reddit for copyright infringement because I made a custom model of Cookie Blair. It’s on the VG resource and most of the renders are still on reddit and all. My reddit account got permanently suspended and sent two appeals and tried to get the copyright notice information. Reddit has been slow at it and it sucks that I can’t share my art on my favorite subs. Thanks Reddit and Bradon White! You fucked with the wrong person.
this whole game’s style gives off a nostalgic unknown mixed emotion vibe because i saw a longplay of it once and the ending was so good but kinda sad. the music was well done, the voices are kinda well done, even the graphics were good at the time. and the fact that somebody is trying to turn this game into lost media is so saddening because somebody created this with a lot of passion, with help from bunch of other people to help bring it to life. i will always remember cookie’s bustle in my heart if it is fully gone or not. :)
Copyright laws really are shit huh? "oh you made this game, but didn't issue the copyright? oops, now for some reason I own the game and can sue you" like what? shouldn't copyright go to the corporation, and if the company goes bankrupt the copyright is shared between the programmers? it's only fair! but the world is not fair :(
They have author rights, which includes certain copyrights. However as programmers/artists/etc. worked for a company they got that right as they essentially sold their rights to that company in exchange for salary. The original developers can probably still claim author rights if the company goes bust and the assets related to that doesn't get sold however. But most developers wouldn't care, and they'd only have author right on what they made. Meaning that in reality any sort of corporate made product (that wasn't made by a single man in the company) has not real say over the product as a whole, which in turn means there is no reason for a developer to claim their rights (if they can in their country to begin with).
The former is actually surprisingly easy, as practically anything that's even remotely dangerous can put an instant end to Cookie's journey. She can't even withstand two puffs of smoke from a cigarette.
Ayyy Patbytes! Thankfully all of us (yourself included) at the TCRF Discord have archived backups of this game ever since that doofus had been takedown'ing the game.
it makes me happy to imagine anyone asking for a link in the discord server and suddenly being approached on DMs by a random offering a copy like a deug dealer
As much as people laughed about the Streisand Effect 8 months ago, now that it's no longer the popular thing to talk about that initial burst of attention is gone and the copyrighter has pretty much gotten what he wanted beyond a few youtube videos and private discord channels.
It turns out that the supposed copyright troll was actually the original Japanese game developer who lives in England. He was attempting to re-release the game in countries outside of Japan due to its popularity in the English-speaking world. This was a surprising plot twist, as it was not a troll or collector who was responsible for the situation. The Japanese developer was simply trying to bring out an official release of the game worldwide. It's amusing to see how the Japanese people have unique ways of concluding events, and this one certainly was unexpected, making it a memorable way to end 2023 on this planet.
As of writing this, 2 hours ago vinesauce deleted the vod of their stream from TH-cam. I’m not sure if it was because of a copyright strike, it might’ve just been a preventative measure. Jonny, Vinny’s manager for the “full sauce” channel said in the post announcing this deletion that he still has a copy of it and might reupload it at some point. This situation is very curious, and I’m interested to see where it ends up.
Thank you for doing this overview. I already pieced together the insanity, but its important to have a coherent video to explain to everyone wtf is going on. I also learned about Cookie's Bustle from the ClassicsOfGames videos. Seeing those random highlights really was special. To stumble upon someone trying to erase the game was frankly disturbing. Someone trying to force-create Lost Media is very strange. Even sadder too was how no one seemed to know. For example in contrast, RLM destroyed a bunch of VHS copies of a shitty movie called Nukie. They didnt delete it from the internet, just VHS tapes that will eventually break in a couple years. And yet there was DISCOURSE about this.... Basically only cus RLM is popular and people want to talk about a popular video..... Thousands of tweets about goddamn NUKIE, only a couple about Cookie's Bustle being deleted forever.... WTF! If Cookie's Bustle didn't have the ClassicsOfGames videos uploaded all those years ago, this internet takeover probably woulda been a success. Since even fewer people would of known about the game. And the handful that did wouldnt be able to fight DMCA threats. Knowing really is half the battle huh.... I'm glad the game has been saved, and even had a lil resurgence. I wish we could somehow send a message to the (now defunct) devs to say 'Hey, that random ass game you made in the 90s really was something special. We appreciate it✌️'.... But alas.
great stuff! was following your investigation into this on twitter and i was hoping you'd make a video on it. glad to see more people learning about this game
Thanks for making this video! Commentary, performance, and other transformative works of copyrighted material belong in public view, and curmudgeons trying to strike those down need to get bent. Abuse of the claim DMCA takedown system isn't new, and just because TH-cam lets them claim and reclaim it doesn't mean it's legally justified.
Great recap of everything so far, definitely has been an interesting thing to witness in real time. Well done! Also I enjoyed my little cameo in the Discord screenshot
this could be like the MetroVG situation all over again. someone taking hold of old licenses trying to make a quick buck under the guise of "preservation" or an "official" reissue
Now that the streisand effect is alive, they have already lost. No matter how many archives they take down, they can't control my hard drive or any of the hard drives of the people currently decompiling the game:P
Oh, you said my name :) Edit: By the way, I lost the footage. I needed to make space on my computer and figured it was uploaded to TH-cam so I didn't need to keep it. lol oops :(
vinny's video is down now, and he got a strike on his channel supposedly for the internet archive upload. he's trying to get ahold of twitch to fight the strike that has nothing to do with twitch as of right now. im downloading a copy of the game i found online because im spiteful :)
Hey patabytes! I've been following your channel for a while and I know this game that is super similar to the things you investigate, called NaissaceE. Its a game about brutalist architecture and has less than 100k plays on steam. It has a lot of polish put into it, and no one talks about it. It is a once in a lifetime game, and definitely needs more attention.
i got copyright striked for making remix song here on youtube, sondcloud and now on discord. they even deleted the whole discord server for cookies bustle. its out of hand and absolutely nuts.
Copyright law is severely borked, and this is a prime example of how. It's not just a matter of it lagging behind technology. It's _kept_ behind technology so that undeserving people can maintain their control over things like this.
This the internet they cannot win against the countless masses who want to see this game Stick around. This feels like the plot of the movie where some serial killer is trying to bury some evidence of what they've done that somehow in this game. It's stuff like this that really makes the case for scrapping copyright law Patton lawn trademark law and starting over fresh.
At some point the game will become available for a HUGE amount of money as the only way of getting the game. A lot of people will want it at any cost as it becomes nearly legendary after being kept from the world for so long.
My theory: Brandon White is a collector that wants the game to only be his and is abusing copyright to take it away from people but it is of course too late for this game to be deleted from the internet, I'm glad that a selfish collector is receiving karma this way. 2nd Theory: Some guy found out about the game and is trying to erase it off the internet so that they can have the only copy or they wish to achieve monitary gain from the takedowns.
people gotta upload this to internet archive over and over. it gets removed? someone different upload it. share it amongst your friends. media should *not* be held behind bars like this.
Someone put the damn thing in a torrent and have a bunch of people download and seed it. Can't erase it from history if thousands upon thousands of people have it already, and contribute to allowing people to download it more.
@@KawaiiBabyTragon tbh at least there was reasonable points over scp 173, even though it was originally agreed upon, art is a very sensitive and sentimental thing with delicate context that can derail, no matter the purity of intentions. Even the game Resin suffered a destructive fate from it's creator, despite his creation being liked more by fans than himself. At least he let some videos of the game remain.. But this ass who's hunting down the poor bear's story is nothing of the sort, and should be shown that they can't simply muffle art once it gets fans.
@@Madman98746 unless my memory fails me on finer details, scp 173's "peanut" design was a image of a sculpture that was made by a lesser known artist, and at some point the artist and the scp devs agreed upon the art being also used as the identity of scp 173. This lasted numerous years, but at one point the artist went back on the agreement due to sentimental reasons. I think i can describe it as following: Primary purpose of art being unrelated to horror, and secondary purpose (scp 173) overshadowing the primary purpose. Ultimately the artist, and by proxy, the scp devs, ended up pulling the sculpture out of the scp 173 character, and replacing 173's design. Unless i am misled, in which case, new info and clarity would help.
@@otamatonefan8996 nope, to my knowledge it’s similar, but not the artist who went back on the agreement. The wiki staff didn’t like that all of the website was under Creative Commons, but 173’s image was the only thing that wasn’t. So, they removed it.
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At this point, the game should be preserved, not because is a gem from long gone age, but because out of spite towards whoever is trying to erase it from existance.
A sequel should be made out of spite. Cookies Hustle: the escape from Japan
the game would have cookie trying to escape from an alien troll who wants to keep her captive.
@@AccidentalGoober Cookie's Hustle: Kicking Copyright Trolls in the Nuts.
Luckily there are in fact still archives of the other archived copies avaliable for downloading, so the game is preserved for a while longer at least. God Bless the internet's tendency to hold on to files forever.
Nothing is deleted from the internet! Even the US vocaloid community doesn't get it
As of this writing, Vinesauce's videos of Cookie's Bustle have been taken down, and DMCA requests have removed existing TH-cam videos and Twitter clips of gameplay and cutscenes. The soundtrack has also been blacklisted from KHInsider's VGM website. The optimism of this video was very premature, in hindsight.
At least the downloads on IA are still around, and apparently Vinesauce is gonna upload the footage elsewhere
@@AeirEclipseHayastin John Vinesauce had mentioned during the initial VOD upload that he isn't gonna let the man win and will reupload it elsewhere if he must. And Vinny himself has filed a counter-claim on Twitch
@@ncisfan1002 niiice
Something about this whole thing really ignites something primal in me, unfortunately. Like someone's trying to take something away from me. I don't like feeling that way but this just all feels surreal, I've never seen anything like it.
I downloaded an archived version while I had the chance. Cookie will live even if we have to Fahrenheit 451 this shit.
Whoever decided it was a good idea to try and nuke this game from public memory has suddenly discovered the Streisand effect
WOO-OO-OO-HOO-OO-OO-HOO-OO-OO-HOO-OO
@@Mordecai02 Thanks Seong Mina pfp
Oh it’s 1000% a private Japanese collector.
Reminder that these people are the reason we are still missing lots of old rare prototypes and PC98 games. They are some of the most petty and pathetic people in the hobby.
Also, how to is it legal to backwards claim something you have not created yourself and have no intention of using?
Anything is legal if you pay enough money
It baffles me why people would want to do this aside from monetary reasons. Do people just want the game to die with them?
the guy is claiming to be nintendo some random british company a japanese developer and a lot of other things hes not its clear he doesnt care about the law hes just abusing the fact its so easy to file copyright claims
hope that lawyer who helped him falsely claim this gets disbarred though
You can't take it with you when you die.
@@zoruasnivy yes.
I'm 99.9% convinced that whoever keeps issuing these mysterious copyright takedowns is a textbook copyright troll. I really don't see how anyone could benefit from being THIS overprotective of a game few people outside of Japan ever heard of and would probably still be obscure if not for the Streisand Effect their takedowns have created.
My rising theory is that this is involved with game resellers making retro games into a hustle/bubble, and whoever is doing this, is trying to make their copy of the game more valuable to become like a 'holy grail' for the collector circle (who just want to make money)
@@Hugsloth I hate that too because even if online files of the game are available that doesn't make the physical copy any less valuable imo. Having things in your hand is waaay different than just on your computer.
@@Hugsloth unfortunately I think that's right. Which in a way makes me less interested in it, which makes me kinda wish it would never have resurfaced so it could just stay valueless
Japanese private collectors are also known to be this fucking bad with copyright claims for exclusivity.
it would be worse if this game turns out to be mid.
imagine being a grown man wasting so much money just to "collect" a mid game that you won't even play.
cookie is a little girl, and the whole world is going to know about her
the way this is phrased sounds a wee bit illegal.
hacker in chat
Let's all love cookie
@@generallyunimportant i am sorry i did not try to make this so
Reminds me of Emperess Theresa lol
I delight in the fact that the collector's blood must boil every time someone uploads something on cookie's bustle, because not only is this person making content on it, but they have access to it, it's likely downloaded to their computer. The genie can't go back in the bottle
What i there's something messed up or illegal in the game code or backgrounds they don't want people to see
@@germgoblin5313 I don't know why they'd care since the person doing this didn't make the game
@@germgoblin5313that’s just stupid
I’m told there’s a few youtubers protected from copyright abuse due to previously being major targets of the practice. i feel like they need to start covering this game…
There should be an art preservation law that requires unruly children (I mean collectors) to archive certain one of a kind items that are at risk of becoming “lost media” and make them available to the public I.e “it belongs in a museum”
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Absolutely not. In the age of the internet, dumping roms is a much safer option and two that just means the government will take these one of a kind items and just shove them in a warehouse where they’ll never see the light of day or worse get damaged / destroyed
@@marcar9marcar972 Pretty sure OP is talking about just rom dumping and not literally being forced to surrender physical media
@@lieutenant_lucky_rocks Perhaps, but the problem is that once government regulation gets involved it will _always_ overstep its bounds, become corrupt and systemically repress the very thing it was originally intended to protect. Always.
The less the government is involved in... well, pretty much anything, the more freedom people have to find their own (potentially much more effective and less prone to corruption) methods to achieve their goals. In the case of media preservation, all it takes is a few stubborn archivists somewhere on the internet to keep distributing and redistributing said piece of media until such time that it inevitably outpaces/outlasts the corrupt intentions of those trying to stifle it, either through sheer magnitude of the archival effort or by forcing the censor to capitulate via other countermeasures.
It's messy and its difficult, but it's better than getting the law involved in places it doesn't belong because then it's a doomed effort once that law is inevitably usurped. Just look at the copyright system - the thing that's supposed to protect media creators - and how it got us into this mess in the first place - be being abused by malicious actors due to technical or legal loopholes or flat-out corruption.
@@Armameteus Yeah, I feel like it’s a pretty messily worded proposition with a good heart. Honestly the best way to prevent situations like this would probably be through social pressure. Speak louder and more often about the importance of archival. And about what big pricks the hoarder-mentality private collectors are.
“a five year old girl from new jersey who believes she is a teddy bear.”
as a new jersey resident, i find it so funny how random that location choice is.
When Vinny (Vinesauce) uploaded his video of Cookie's Bustle, I downloaded it just in case, and now that his video is down, I'm glad that I had downloaded it. I also luckily managed to download the game itself from Internet Archive before it was taken down. Another really unfortunate thing, though, is that this whole situation is making it SO much more difficult to get things made like translations/translated subtitles or versions of the game more compatible with modern computers, that make it more accessible. So I have the game itself, but I don't know how to run it on a modern computer, and I only know a few words/phrases of Japanese, so this situation still makes it more difficult to play the game despite having it downloaded.
Can you reupload it? Vinny's video, I mean.
@@TheBonkleFox Agreed, please distribute the raw downloaded file if possible. Don't use sites that may compress and process it further, like youtube.
Can you upload the video somewhere? Like MEGA or something, so that we can download it while we wait for Vinny to be able to re-upload it
for everyone asking, the guy behind fullsauce also has the video and i believe plans on putting it (or has) somewhere else. they aren't gonna let it go down without a fight, dont worry
@@when-do-we-get-a-block-button good to hear. though that does make me wonder a bit about how much unuploadable content they have in their vault, The Lost Sauce(tm). what with a few incidents having happened in the past where the uploads ended up having to be edited, or the pendulum music removal with the fantastic game
Very recently the unthinkable happened: A plot to take down the sprites of this game on TSR was thwarted after the site's admin, Dazz, called the unidentified copyright troll's bluff. There's still hope for this game yet!
It would be hilarious if someone put a copy of this game into a time capsule so, long after they and we are dead, Cookie's Bustle will be released unceremoniously upon the world with nobody to stop it.
Genius idea, should absolutely help keep it alive long past the copyrighter’s attempts at destruction.
We all need to fight back against this forced erasure of Cookie's Bustle.
How do you propose we do that besides just say things on the internet and play the world's worst game of whack-a-mole?
@@arcticcircle9178This is too common, and actually initiating action is near impossible to begin.
@@cryodual Exactly.
you could start your own website hosting it if you were really motivated he holds no actual legal right to this game as far as i can tell hence why the mac site ignored him
Ever since I first saw gameplay of Cookie's Bustle over on Vinny's TH-cam channel, I've been very intrigued by this game, especially since it gives me nostalgia for almost all of the point-and-click titles I used to play a lot on my old Windows XP Gateway desktop. It has that inexplainable feeling that many of those games gave me back then, and it's all been coming back to me thanks to this game, even if I haven't quite figured out an easy way to play it just yet.
Vinny's video of Cookie Bustle is already gone
@@Hugsloth it’s out there. Just not on his channel. Backed up a copy and I’m sure others have too
@@WithADanceNumber but the chat reactions..... I need them too
@@kakyoindonut3213 the chat is also backed up, so... nice
@@WithADanceNumber Johnny Fullsauce also says it wasn't nuked on YT but they took it down out of an abundance of caution, because they hard-striked his Twitch vod
This shit should be illegal.
If you buy a copyright for something considered abandonware but you have no intention to put the game up for sale then you shouldn't be allowed to buy that copyright, or at least you shouldn't be able to enforce it.
The Japanese are the worst for this and if you don't believe me then read Legends of Localisation Volume 1. There is an entire section dedicated to the Japanese collectors who refuse to upload games or re-release them.
I don't know what it is about the Japanese that makes them so anti-archival but they are constantly letting games die and disappear. Even Sakaguchi recently said that he has no intention of re-releasing any of the Mistwalker games.
Think about this mentality.
This is a studio that released the recent RPG Phantasian which is an APPLE ARCADE exclusive. If Sakaguchi is so intent on letting his games die, then Phantasian is doomed because that's currently an online only game. Once the server is shut down, it's literally dead. No one will ever play it again. Utter madness.
Anyway I am ranting, but the same is true here. A Japanese creator has seen that his game is being shared for free online and he is enforcing his copyright purely as a petty measure.
He probably has no intention to release it on GOG or Steam.
Fuck this practice and fuck this mindset.
Fantastic video by the way, love your relaxing but well researched style.
Because the Japanese are quirky and they celebrate stupid mentalities as their identity.
This is the same society that thinks suicide is honorable.
Asians in general have this way of thinking that the more fleeting something is, more value it has.
Not monetary value, just perceived value, as is in its uniqueness.
I see the idea of being overzealous as unwanted as the modern obsession to archive everything.
Think of it as meeting an annoying person in a trip that in no moment stop taking pictures of everything and everywhere they do. There's a point where that person is never living in the moment and always making objects to look back.
But why translate that way of thinking literally to a video game, which thrives as art WHEN being played, I don't know.
Would explain Nintendo's refusal to make their old games easily accessible.
dude this shit is exactly the reason people turn to pirating things because they just aren't available anywhere anymore
Whatever you wrote is perfect example why mankind needs war and why war will never end. Its because one dude owns right (does not matter of what kind, what type, what you think about it or where it came from) and other person says: Fuck his mindset and fuck his decisions...im gonna hate him for it -> speak against him ->kill him for it
C'mon verbal bub...dont be afraid. You made first two steps. Now whack a dude or you are just pussy who wrote whole ass paragraph on theme which interests literally nobody and its fictional problem with no resolve?
100% gonna backfire on the person doing this
tru
I wish I had your confidence. Sure, it'll backfire in that Cookie's Bustle will spread farther and wider in spite of the takedowns, but the person doing this won't face any actual consequences.
@@screamingcactus1753 I'm mostly referring to that yeah. People likely will never know who is doing it, but if their goal was to make it disappear, it's just gonna do the opposite & already has really, I wouldn't know about it if they didn't do it. Who knows, maybe that was the goal even
Hey mate fancy seeing ya here
All we need is to wait on SiIvaGunner to wake up and then make a rip based on this and pray it didn't get copyright strike.
Lmafo I love that this is the first comment I see
@@Lanausse Sadly I heard it is getting copyright strike to erase that game on the internet (I am banned on SiIvaGunner's channel btw)
@@bantuatha Average SiIva fan lmao
@@aturchomicz821 Yeah, they banned me off in SiIvaGunner so my comment is censored off at the channel. They hated the truth so they shut me up for it. I wish I could kept my mouth shut since Winter 2022 event...
I doubt it lol
Ok, on the topic of why a collector might wanna remove a games existence: this situation has sorta happened before.
There was a unreleased snes rpg that was auctioned off to a collector. When people asked the collector to release the rom files: he kept it to himself as they were “a treasure of Japan”.
This might be a similar case of a collector trying to keep a game restricted or hidden from the public cause they believe that it belongs to their country or some other kind of weird justification.
In case anybody wants to go down this rabbit hole, the game in question is called Shōnen Majutsushi Indym. Its an unreleased Famicom RPG that had a prototype cartridge appear on Yahoo Auctions in 2019. A video game preservation group called Forrest of Illusion tried to win the auction by crowdsourcing funds, but they were out bid by a private collector who paid 1,501,000 yen (~$11,000) for it. This person went on to give the following statement to a Japanese blog that covered the auction:
"このタイトルはファミコンの歴史の大きな１ページであって、非売品をコピーして売りさばく者の手に渡るのだけはどうしても避けたかった。だから、ゲームが本当に好きな人達は安心して欲しい。日本の宝として必ず守っていきます。約束します。出品元からもれたらどうしようもないですが。"
which when translated (rather shoddily via DeepL Translator) says:
"This title is a big chapter in the history of the Famicom, and we really didn't want it to fall into the hands of people who would copy and sell non-saleable copies. So, I want to reassure those who really love the game that we will protect it as a Japanese treasure. I promise. If the game is leaked from the seller, there is nothing we can do about it."
Japan. So quirky. So wow.
Their cultural mentality is so dumb at times.
@@oompalumpus699 In defense of Japan, everybody in the comments of the blog from which the quote originates was just as bewildered at this guy's moon logic as everybody in the west seems to be. One guy being a loon isn't indicative of the entire country.
@@just_add_a_3 Correlation gets confused with Causation and they often aren't entirely off. Some system in relation to Japan fosters something which leads to this being observed as more common.
Problems in people are often signs of problem in a system not the people.
I've heard many Famicom games got lost this way.
Private collectors refused to archive the roms of the cartridges and over time, bitrot made them lost forever.
unbelievable you couldn't call one of these chapters "the cookie crumbles"
The cookie only crumbles when the Bustle stops bustling forever due to erasure of the game from history. Let us hope it never does.
I can confirm that this game is available on the more underground piracy sites and I'll sure as hell be doing what little I can to keep it that way.
It's sad because I watched the full game on vinesauce and the story really wretched my heart and gave me a lot of hope in a dark time of my life
Vinesauce linked this video on his twitter. It was cool to see a screenshot of his stream in your video. This whole situation is FASCINATING
Cookie's a little girl, and she's feeling fine. And if she's feeling fine, then I believe it'll all be fine. Cookie is eternal 😤😤
Rest assured, people: Even though whoever it is is STILL nuking download links (Macintosh Repository has since been nuked, as well as at least one more Internet Archive link), they are fighting the ferocious Internet Hydra. This monster does not die easily.
This game is NOT getting erased from existence.
I almost wanna say someone's trying to use the Streisand effect to promote something somehow, but probably it's just someone trying to see how far they can push dmca
The why disturbs me a lot, who is this man, why is a human using copyright as a weapon like this, what's their endgame? I don't get it, and it only ever gives me dreadful feelings thinking about it...
Seems like a salty manchild to me.
Based on the fact that the collector stated they weren't responsible for the takedown, it's mostly likely one of the devs for the game discovered their game was being talked about and shared around for free and just didn't want that to keep happening.
Quite literally just personally do not want the game to be archived
To see people suffer or artificially inflate value since the law of supply and demand says this game is worth more now... despite it being the exact same in every possible regard.
Or just ignorance.
Just a guy abusing copyright. Wdym dreadful?
@@luigifan4585 that mf discovered the streisand effect tbh
Based patbytes, spreading awareness on yet another glaringly egregious instance of someone abusing copyright towards a product they blatantly don't own whatsoever.
It's heartening to know so much of the wider 'Net has rallied towards the continued preservation of such an incredibly niche title. Perhaps games such as these weren't exactly best-sellers, but even residing in relative obscurity is a far, *far* better fate than having what exists of their legacy callously erased by desperate collectors.
Excellent reporting, keep up the great work. 👏
>yet another glaringly egregious instance of someone abusing copyright towards a product they blatantly don't own whatsoever.
Same thing, different day. I have reason to believe that intellectual property has become a bane on existence and should be abolished.
If you don't agree, name me a case when copyright/patent claims were used to protect the property of a small business *that wasn't property trolling.*
@@Code7Unltd nobody can, because that case doesn't exist in modernity, because intellectual property law as it currently exists was directly manufactured by giant corporations to help maintain informational control and reduce competition
@@Code7Unltd The same people who say things like this are all too often the people complaining about AI art or NFTs, in the next breath, it seems.
@@Code7Unltd | The occasional publisher that screws smaller developers out of royalties. Any time a dev DMCAs _their own game,_ you can bet something happened behind the scenes.
I'll provide th-cam.com/video/z8eshOgK6uE/w-d-xo.html as an example.
@@RaceBandit
I also recall the time Warner Bros. targeted HBO's storefront over copyright violations.
The page specifically targeted was a preorder page for a 2-season set of Game of Thrones on DVD, the claim was made around the time Warner was using DMCA claims to try to quell a leaked Game of Thrones episode off the 'net.
My husband and I have talked about things we would do if we inexplicably became wealthy, and one of them is buying media to help preserve it and stop things like this from happening.
I can unfortunately picture a long-retired game dev, having just recently learned about Let’s Plays and Twitch, going on a rampage and screaming about how gameplay videos are piracy and that nobody wants to just buy a copy of a game anymore (not realizing that there’s only a limited amount of copies of the game available, in a language not everyone understands, on a long out of use version of an OS).
I really hope it’s not the case, because that would be literally the only scenario in which the takedowns would have any legal backing.
Because our copyright system is both outdated and in-dated.
But honestly that luckily will not be the case since the fact that it goes by different systems of copyright (it even poosed as nintendo of all things) shows that it is likely a copyright troll trying to make this game cease to exist for no reason but toher than either pettiness or cynical tones.
So, I actually have been working on a video project about Cookie’s Bustle after I came across it’s removal from the internet. I have some experience covering extremely obscure 90s PC games, and part of that has been recording a full playthrough on my virtual machine setup. I definitely agree that discovery is extremely important for these sorts of games. If nobody knows about them, they can’t possibly gain a cult following, which is why I think it’s really important to talk about obscure stuff like this
"Cookie's Bustle: Mysterious Bombo World" radiates the same energy as "Scrimmy Bingus and the Crungy Spingus"
I've been trying to remember that name for days, the scrimmy bingus one
Oh hey there Vinny
I got striked on SketchFab and Reddit for copyright infringement because I made a custom model of Cookie Blair. It’s on the VG resource and most of the renders are still on reddit and all. My reddit account got permanently suspended and sent two appeals and tried to get the copyright notice information. Reddit has been slow at it and it sucks that I can’t share my art on my favorite subs. Thanks Reddit and Bradon White! You fucked with the wrong person.
Well, thanks to this, I now have Cookie's Bustle and the stream saved to my local "Lost Media" archival folder. Hope this is the reaction they wanted.
Wait is there more lost media in that folder
If there lost please upload them
this whole game’s style gives off a nostalgic unknown mixed emotion vibe because i saw a longplay of it once and the ending was so good but kinda sad. the music was well done, the voices are kinda well done, even the graphics were good at the time. and the fact that somebody is trying to turn this game into lost media is so saddening because somebody created this with a lot of passion, with help from bunch of other people to help bring it to life. i will always remember cookie’s bustle in my heart if it is fully gone or not. :)
a beautiful example of the strisand effect in full force, good shit internet, well done!
Copyright laws really are shit huh? "oh you made this game, but didn't issue the copyright? oops, now for some reason I own the game and can sue you" like what? shouldn't copyright go to the corporation, and if the company goes bankrupt the copyright is shared between the programmers? it's only fair! but the world is not fair :(
Modern Copyright law isnt made to go to the creators. Its purely there to make corporate attorneys money
They have author rights, which includes certain copyrights. However as programmers/artists/etc. worked for a company they got that right as they essentially sold their rights to that company in exchange for salary.
The original developers can probably still claim author rights if the company goes bust and the assets related to that doesn't get sold however. But most developers wouldn't care, and they'd only have author right on what they made. Meaning that in reality any sort of corporate made product (that wasn't made by a single man in the company) has not real say over the product as a whole, which in turn means there is no reason for a developer to claim their rights (if they can in their country to begin with).
you can kill a cookie bear, but you can't kill an idea
The former is actually surprisingly easy, as practically anything that's even remotely dangerous can put an instant end to Cookie's journey. She can't even withstand two puffs of smoke from a cigarette.
we do a little preserving
the streisand effect in action
Watching this cuz just found out that Vinny's VOD of the game got taken down and I was too late to watch it ;-;
Ayyy Patbytes! Thankfully all of us (yourself included) at the TCRF Discord have archived backups of this game ever since that doofus had been takedown'ing the game.
Very good to know, thank you
Do you have a link to this?
it makes me happy to imagine anyone asking for a link in the discord server and suddenly being approached on DMs by a random offering a copy like a deug dealer
Cookie's Bustle is an idea.
Ideas cannot be killed, only strengthened.
This video should be arming people on how to contest these fraudulent copyright claims. And taking this guy to court.
As much as people laughed about the Streisand Effect 8 months ago, now that it's no longer the popular thing to talk about that initial burst of attention is gone and the copyrighter has pretty much gotten what he wanted beyond a few youtube videos and private discord channels.
We still need the dox of the copyright troll so we can capture them for good
It turns out that the supposed copyright troll was actually the original Japanese game developer who lives in England. He was attempting to re-release the game in countries outside of Japan due to its popularity in the English-speaking world. This was a surprising plot twist, as it was not a troll or collector who was responsible for the situation. The Japanese developer was simply trying to bring out an official release of the game worldwide. It's amusing to see how the Japanese people have unique ways of concluding events, and this one certainly was unexpected, making it a memorable way to end 2023 on this planet.
@@NitwitsWorld Where was this revealed?
@@WaveyDavey645 Did you just blocked me dude?
@@NitwitsWorld Nope
As of writing this, 2 hours ago vinesauce deleted the vod of their stream from TH-cam. I’m not sure if it was because of a copyright strike, it might’ve just been a preventative measure. Jonny, Vinny’s manager for the “full sauce” channel said in the post announcing this deletion that he still has a copy of it and might reupload it at some point. This situation is very curious, and I’m interested to see where it ends up.
I also have a copy just in case
Stuff like this is why copyright, as is, needs to be dismantled and the holdovers that influenced the way it is, severely ostracized.
If this vid is shot down...
I appreciate you makin' the video. Mayhaps it be re-uploaded again
Great video!
Such a strange little piece of history...
Also cool to hear Aphex Twin in the background :)
Cookie must be protected at all costs
That's the problem. Someone IS protecting her at all costs, including the cost of the world forgetting about her.
@@genyakozlov1316 shes being held captive atp, thats not protection anymore
@@genyakozlov1316 thats not protection
Thats a hostage situation
Thank you for doing this overview. I already pieced together the insanity, but its important to have a coherent video to explain to everyone wtf is going on.
I also learned about Cookie's Bustle from the ClassicsOfGames videos. Seeing those random highlights really was special.
To stumble upon someone trying to erase the game was frankly disturbing. Someone trying to force-create Lost Media is very strange.
Even sadder too was how no one seemed to know. For example in contrast, RLM destroyed a bunch of VHS copies of a shitty movie called Nukie. They didnt delete it from the internet, just VHS tapes that will eventually break in a couple years. And yet there was DISCOURSE about this.... Basically only cus RLM is popular and people want to talk about a popular video..... Thousands of tweets about goddamn NUKIE, only a couple about Cookie's Bustle being deleted forever.... WTF!
If Cookie's Bustle didn't have the ClassicsOfGames videos uploaded all those years ago, this internet takeover probably woulda been a success. Since even fewer people would of known about the game. And the handful that did wouldnt be able to fight DMCA threats.
Knowing really is half the battle huh.... I'm glad the game has been saved, and even had a lil resurgence.
I wish we could somehow send a message to the (now defunct) devs to say 'Hey, that random ass game you made in the 90s really was something special. We appreciate it✌️'.... But alas.
great stuff! was following your investigation into this on twitter and i was hoping you'd make a video on it. glad to see more people learning about this game
Cookie's getting the attention she deserves.
At least this video can't be taken down since he's playing Mario Artist: Polygon Studio
The Hustle to Erase Cookie's Bustle
I'm going to upload this game over and over again
Doing God's work o7
hell yes, yet again i find myself interested in something obscure and foreign that i would'nt've ever cared about otherwise
Thanks for making this video! Commentary, performance, and other transformative works of copyrighted material belong in public view, and curmudgeons trying to strike those down need to get bent. Abuse of the claim DMCA takedown system isn't new, and just because TH-cam lets them claim and reclaim it doesn't mean it's legally justified.
ive been waiting for this video since u started working on it, gods im so excited and hyped to finally watch it
2:40 This scene is insane and I love it
I remember seeing a thread about the takedown and snagged myself a Windows copy of the game thanks to another anon who had it.
Great vid and just wanted to say thanks for bringing this to people's attention and for your work in game preservation 💜
Great recap of everything so far, definitely has been an interesting thing to witness in real time. Well done!
Also I enjoyed my little cameo in the Discord screenshot
This game is an Cognetohazard SCP, that is using the Streisand Effect, as a transmission vector
this could be like the MetroVG situation all over again. someone taking hold of old licenses trying to make a quick buck under the guise of "preservation" or an "official" reissue
Now that the streisand effect is alive, they have already lost. No matter how many archives they take down, they can't control my hard drive or any of the hard drives of the people currently decompiling the game:P
Oh, you said my name :)
Edit: By the way, I lost the footage. I needed to make space on my computer and figured it was uploaded to TH-cam so I didn't need to keep it. lol oops :(
The cookie is bussin, and so is this video! Great work, pat.
The Mona Lisa only became famous after getting stolen. This will hopefully raise attention in the same way.
vinny's video is down now, and he got a strike on his channel supposedly for the internet archive upload. he's trying to get ahold of twitch to fight the strike that has nothing to do with twitch as of right now. im downloading a copy of the game i found online because im spiteful :)
Streisand effect coming into place is nice
yooo thank you for posting this
Amazing video, I loved your editing! Keep up the great work!!
Hey patabytes! I've been following your channel for a while and I know this game that is super similar to the things you investigate, called NaissaceE. Its a game about brutalist architecture and has less than 100k plays on steam. It has a lot of polish put into it, and no one talks about it. It is a once in a lifetime game, and definitely needs more attention.
i got copyright striked for making remix song here on youtube, sondcloud and now on discord. they even deleted the whole discord server for cookies bustle. its out of hand and absolutely nuts.
the discord server isnt deleted
@@Ringtail it was thr owner doing some purge. just was timed so that i assumed it as such,
4:02 eggburt?!?! My unkle had that on a shareware disk, would spend way too much time in it's level editor!
Clearly this game has some kind of obscure secret hidden inside.
I really want know why this individual is so hellbent on getting this off the net. Anyways good video man.
Collector trying to build myth and artificial scarcity so their copies r worth more
At this point the only real way to ensure archival is through acquiring the source code.
I'm really happy I turned into that vinesauce stream. I found out about the game and made sure to download it just in case the archive ever goes down
Copyright law is severely borked, and this is a prime example of how. It's not just a matter of it lagging behind technology. It's _kept_ behind technology so that undeserving people can maintain their control over things like this.
Thank you, Binyot.
This the internet they cannot win against the countless masses who want to see this game Stick around.
This feels like the plot of the movie where some serial killer is trying to bury some evidence of what they've done that somehow in this game. It's stuff like this that really makes the case for scrapping copyright law Patton lawn trademark law and starting over fresh.
you almost told the whole premise of petscop lmao
@@generallyunimportant Yep thx for petscop lore
When will legal weirdos ever learn about the Streisand Effect
I want to imagine whoever wants to erase this game is now finding out about the Streisand effect and raging about it
At some point the game will become available for a HUGE amount of money as the only way of getting the game. A lot of people will want it at any cost as it becomes nearly legendary after being kept from the world for so long.
That's the collectior's idea
This reminds me of the Marble Madness 2 situation, only when that was found the collector didn't try to take it down
What a bizarre course of events. Someone just trying to wipe this obscure game of the face of the web for no discernible reason.
Now I'm binging Classics of Game lol
Hey, let's find the "new owner" and ki- er, interview them! :D
bug attack is an TRUE game almost wiped from the internet
an flash game what appears only i know of...
My theory: Brandon White is a collector that wants the game to only be his and is abusing copyright to take it away from people but it is of course too late for this game to be deleted from the internet, I'm glad that a selfish collector is receiving karma this way.
2nd Theory: Some guy found out about the game and is trying to erase it off the internet so that they can have the only copy or they wish to achieve monitary gain from the takedowns.
if this doesnt get found by the end of this year i will cry
thanks for covering this
people gotta upload this to internet archive over and over. it gets removed? someone different upload it. share it amongst your friends. media should *not* be held behind bars like this.
Someone put the damn thing in a torrent and have a bunch of people download and seed it.
Can't erase it from history if thousands upon thousands of people have it already, and contribute to allowing people to download it more.
This is the SCP situation all over again.
I am glad I'm not the only one that thought this. Peanut will always have more fame as SCP-173 than as some hipster statue.
@@KawaiiBabyTragon tbh at least there was reasonable points over scp 173, even though it was originally agreed upon, art is a very sensitive and sentimental thing with delicate context that can derail, no matter the purity of intentions.
Even the game Resin suffered a destructive fate from it's creator, despite his creation being liked more by fans than himself. At least he let some videos of the game remain..
But this ass who's hunting down the poor bear's story is nothing of the sort, and should be shown that they can't simply muffle art once it gets fans.
What the hell do you guys mean about 173? SCP’s copyright was being abused by a Russian, 173 had nothing to do with it.
@@Madman98746 unless my memory fails me on finer details, scp 173's "peanut" design was a image of a sculpture that was made by a lesser known artist, and at some point the artist and the scp devs agreed upon the art being also used as the identity of scp 173.
This lasted numerous years, but at one point the artist went back on the agreement due to sentimental reasons. I think i can describe it as following: Primary purpose of art being unrelated to horror, and secondary purpose (scp 173) overshadowing the primary purpose.
Ultimately the artist, and by proxy, the scp devs, ended up pulling the sculpture out of the scp 173 character, and replacing 173's design.
Unless i am misled, in which case, new info and clarity would help.
@@otamatonefan8996 nope, to my knowledge it’s similar, but not the artist who went back on the agreement. The wiki staff didn’t like that all of the website was under Creative Commons, but 173’s image was the only thing that wasn’t. So, they removed it.
The harder you try to stop me from preserving data, the harder I try to preserve it, I have a copy from rutracker
i’ve been waiting for someone to cover this
This is one weird videogame desserves to be talked about more, it's amazing that you are talking about this game.
This game must be preserved by all means necessary.