Daemon's song to Vermithor - Explained
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I always took it as Daemon getting Vermithor reacquainted with human interaction. Almost like Daemon letting Vermithor know that someone may try to mount and claim him soon. Daemon wants and needs riders for the riderless dragons to use in the war to come.
This tracks with his next major scene in the war council where he brings up the dragons and the numbers both side has
This is the most likely imo. I’ve seen people do similar with horses.
Dragonless riders*
This was on point
@@TheJordanK damn people sing spell like songs to horses for them to be prepared for a rider irl? never knew that haha
I took it as Vermithor being old and cranky, and not having a rider for 30 years.
Daemon wanted to get him on side for the war, and sang a lullaby to keep him calm while he got used to being around people again.
Daemon definitely has the most dragon knowledge in that era, Laena even sees him constantly reading about old Valyrian dragon lords. He chose Caraxes for a reason, he studied them a lot, especially Vhagar (considering what he'll do outside Harrenhal). It's a shame, they don't show enough talks about dragons in the show.
I think Daemon thought about claiming Vhagar but did not due to the dragon being too old and aggressive. However, Laena succeeded anyways because of her kind nature. A kind nature is what Aemond due to bad parenting.
He is considered the last Dragon lord not just rider.
You also have to remember that he also had the opportunity to meet with balerion as his brother rode him.
@@ryankwon8785 aggresive nature wouldn't matter because no one is as aggresive as Caraxes. He chose him because they're the most alike. He definitely could've mounted any dragon but he had a special respect for Vhagar, first because of Visenya, then his dad, Baelon the Brave, then his wife, Laena
@@tharix6063 he definitely did, but Viserys only rode him once.
His grandfather's dragon, my thoughts..hes reaffirming their bond, making it clear whats coming etc. That fire at the end was a definite "yes, im ready"
My theory since hearing the song was, one mind of the rider one mind of the dragon then the new mind that comes from the union of the two
Perfect, I agree
I had the same thought.
Beat me to it. 👍
The dragon blood is bound to the Targaryen blood by a sacrifice. The third head binds their blood.
No shit
It makes you wonder *why* the dragon has three heads. It is usually assumed that the three-headed Targaryen sigil represents Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya, but there is no mention in Fire & Blood of Aegon inventing the sigil, and House Targaryen had been part of Westerosi politics for generations earlier, so they must have had a sigil before Aegon was born. The number of dragons on Dragonstone was always changing, and it was seldom exactly three. But maybe the concept of three heads is some much more ancient concept in Valyrian mysticism, preserved in obtuse symbolic language such as this song. Maybe dragons as we know them were created by blood magic from three species: wyverns, firewyrms, and humans.
I’m pretty sure it does say that Aegon created the sigil of the Targaryens upon the beginning of his conquest. Prior to Aegon, the Targaryens didn’t have a sigil as the concept of a sigil and heraldry is very much a Westerosi custom which Aegon adopted.
Three is a powerful number in numerology.
Aegon created the sigil to show he was one of the westorose it’s a known fact it was made to signal the 3 riders and there dragons
Because their first dragon was King Ghidorah? Lol
Aegon did create/invent the sigil in Fire & Blood, he didn’t believe in the banners or the new Gods of the seven but accepted them to be accepted by the people Westeros. The 3 heads represent the 3 siblings, rulers, dragon riders, and in their minds Gods from Old Valaria.
The chlidren of the forest sing the songs of leaf and wood. The valyrians sing the song of fire. The first men sing the song of ice.
I am a proponent of Lemur Theory. The idea is that the dragonbond is similar to skinchanger magic, in that there is a spirit within the dragon.
A sacrifice can be made to transfer the spirit of a human into a dragon. Thereafter, that human's descendants can bond to that dragon and its descendants - this is the Blood of the Dragon (though its strength can wax and wane, thus the need for incest).
Thus the three heads are the ancestral spirit, the Dragon itself, and the descendant who rides it.
This also explains why no one was able to tame Cannibal - even the Targaryens being of the Blood of the Dragon, it wasn't enough, because Cannibal was not of the same brood as the Targaryen dragons.
That would also explain the Dragon Birthing rituals that were attempted in the past by Aegon, and later actually done by Dany. There's clearly a connection that she has with the eggs even before they hatch, she dreams of them every night, and then the sacrifice of Baby, Drogo (maybe viserys, if you believe Glidus) and Mirri Maz Duur during the pyre scene
I love this theory. I think there isnt much clear evidence for it but i still love it. There’s plenty of evidence you can reach a bit and if all works. But you’re filling in a lot of blanks. But that’s part of what makes it fun.
@@TheJordanK There's a lot of theories that build on other theories. This isn't even as crazy as the "dragons come from the moon" stuff
Cannibal is said to be the same size or even bigger than Balerion, holy shit
It's possible the third "entity" is referring to the bond itself? Explaining how dragons and their riders seem to be extraordinarily linked, feeling each other's pain, bleeding into each other's character and emotions. Maybe the metaphorical third head is the union between the two, creating a new and greater whole.
That's what I was thinking!
Or the sigil of his house
I just keep coming back to the timing. I feel that Daemon was using the recent death of his daughter to try and work blood magic with the dragons again
@In Deep Geek thank you for choosing this topic!! Such an interesting topic of dragon lore that could have many interpretations depending on Daemon & Vermithor are portrayed in future seasons
Daemon has 2 sons with rhaenyra and just lost a daughter (tin foil alert) so maybe the 3rd head he’s talking about could be his 3rd child with rhaenyra that died which makes that line about “paying the price with blood magic hit a little bit different imo. Good review 👍🏽
Exactly my thoughts. The stillborn children maybe become the bonding catalyst for dragon riding.
I also Thought that the stillborn was the price paid in blood magic. The link appeared to be starting when she born the stillborn and something might have happened already that we dont know that made the baby be stillborn
Wonderful, as always.
This was already explained in the books that Deamon sings to the dragons in high valerian because it keeps them calm and strengthens the bond
I had another way of understand the three heads bit of the song.
Normally those with the dragon bonding gene can only bond with one dragon at a time. Daemon already has a dragon so can't bond with another.
What if he found a blood magic way to bond with a second dragon, overcoming this limit? Three heads flying as one becomes Daemon and both dragons.
(A bit like how most wargs have a single animal they have a bond with, but exceptional ones who develop their talents can bond with others as well)
I've been such a big fan of Matt Smith since Doctor Who, and he has a nice voice too! I have no idea what he's singing, but it binds them. If Dany can control 3 dragons, why not someone else?
the third person in Cyraxies, Damond is already bonded to Cryax and a dragon rider can only bind with one dragon. We come as 2, Damond and Cyraxies to the third Vermathor
As soon as i heard the Three Heads bit it got my attention, given the Azor Ahai prophecy about three heads and all. So freaking crazy what a song can do for WorldBuilding!
I think youre conflating prophecy. "The Dragon Has 3 Heads" is the Valyrian Prince That Was Promised prophecy. Azor Ahai is an eastern prophecy about the forging of Lightbringer. They very well could be about the same person but we dont know that for sure yet. Personally, I dont think theyre the same. I think PTWP is Dany and Azor Ahai is either Jon or Young Griff, either of whom will forge Lightbringer by plunging their sword into Dany's heart.
Great vid as usual with excellent explanation & analysis. I agree it seems like a familial oral tradition passed down over who knows how long. Most obviously it does seem Daemon was preparing Vermithor for a new rider. Vermithor had gone a bit wild and feral in the years since the Old King died. Had been something like 30 years i believe since Vermithor had a rider. The lyrics are quite interesting as for me they seem to speak to the intrinsic link / bond between the Targs / Valyrians and their dragons even likely to a genetic level. Per Amanda / TDL and others' theories on that; i think the camera work in that scene of Daemon's and Vermithor's eyes speak to that as well.
I do think the "third head" likely refers to the new rider but it could also be referencing dragon bonding origins , perhaps the ancient original dragon bond / magical sacrifice that facilitated the dragon bonding to begin with. Especially with the mention of price being paid with "blood magic". As usual with many concepts in this universe quite multi-layered and a very well done scene on HotD.
“Two heads with a third become three” & blood magic references could be how Ruth blood magic the Targaryen’s combined wyverns & fire wyrms together with Targaryen blood being a 3rd.
I think the third head is more about the blood that has been paid. Dragons are naturally bonded to their first rider, but perhaps their rider pays for that privilege by sacrificing their spirit. Kinda like a skin changer's second life but for dragons.
Now it's time for a new rider. And jaehaerys has already been absorbed into Vermithor, so the song is to wed V and J. to whoever that new rider will be
I agree with this
I figured it was perhaps a song his Grandfather use to sing to him as a child and perhaps Vermithor too, so he sang it to ease the dragon and remind him of Jaehaerys.
As for the deep learning of dragon bonding, in my opinion only Daemon and Rhenis the Queen that never was, seem to have mastered this, at least compared to others that is. Their dragon seems to 100% understand what they want on all the scenes they appear. They seem like "one".
My theory is that it's not lost knowledge, it's something that doesn't always get passed down. And I highly doubt that Daemon and Rhaenyra were passing that kind of information on to Alicent and her kids. And I suspect that Viserys would rather nobody rides dragons at all, so I don't think he'd pass that information down.
This knowledge becomes lost after the dance.
Hi robert just wondering if youve heard about the theory of this song being connected to ancestoral valyrians within the dragons? the blood magic being the sacrifice and the three heads being the ancestor, the dragon and the rider. If you have would love to hear if you disagree.
David Lightbringer had a video on the theory. His stuff can get pretty tinfoil-y, and it's definitely one of those things where there's nothing to outright refute it but also not nearly enough textual evidence to outright confirm it either, but it's a neat theory.
I mean, all David's numerous videos all contain textual references. I wonder what more you want?
He was singing while collecting eggs. I assume it's related to them. The 3 could be the egg collector, the dragon, and the new rider. A prayer to try and ensure they actually hatch?
What it seems like to me is that when daemon is referring to three heads and together we fly he’s talking about himself and caraxes singing to vermithor to ask him to accompany them to fuck up their next target considering he has no rider atm
@indeepgeek “the price was paid” could be referring to the death of Luke. This scene took place just before Luke’s death
It seems to stand out to me now after your breakdown that Rhaegar was a singer himself. I wonder how that may factor into his role in the main story of ASOIAF.
I think he got all his songs from Ghost of High Heart during his retreats to Summerhall. COTF are also called singers and GOHH is obviously a COTF or half-breed.
This makes so much sense after the 'Red Sowing ' episode in season 2
YES!! I LOVE days when Lord Robert uploads a video.
I like the "lighters at concert" Robert
Thanks Robert
i love your livestreams very much, but please never stop these video essays, i gave it a like directly after you'd spoken the thematic rhetorical question at the beginning.
For those who know Elden Ring;
I felt the lullaby was similar in tone to the Song of the Bats.
Same haunting feeling.
That’s exactly what it reminded me of
I think the song is intended to be related to the prophecy on the dagger. The Targaryen sigil is the three-headed dragon as we know, and the dagger's prophecy says "From my blood", which means Targaryen. The song Daemon is singing references the three heads, which references the Targaryen lineage. But then the fact that he mentions singing a couple of times in the song, makes me think it relates to the dagger's line "his will be the song of ice and fire". We know from Game of Thrones season 7 that in high Valyrian the pronoun isn't specific, it can mean man or woman. In GoT, we had Daenerys and Jon/Aegon, but the third "head" was never revealed. So in a way we could look at it as not literally meaning three heads/individuals, but rather a reference to house Targaryen in general, and that Daenerys and Jon/Aegon were one when they fought against the Night King during the long night.
Something about all this reminds me of the speaker Varys heard in the flame. Like the dragon, the rider, and some kind of magical or spiritual entity are making a blood pact.
Dude you absolutely never disappoint.
It's very cool however this plays out, but my theory would be Damon is trying to find second dragon to himself. Since there are in excess of dragons and not has been Dragon Riders if he could find another Dragon to fly with him and his dragon and do his bidding
I thought Daemon was bonding with the dragon himself when watching the show. My read of the "two heads to a third" was that Daemon as a human with a dragon soul is bound with two dragons, sort of creating one entity with three heads as their sigil suggests. Like you said, he certainly seems to be the most Valyrian of the Targaryens. But I have not read the books so I am probably missing some crucial information that voids my theory alltogether.. Great video, thanks for sharing the lyrics! :D
I dont know if it make sense and i haven't give it enough thought to say it's a theory, but my initial idea after hearing "two heads to a third sing" is that maybe that's a song specific to someone already having a dragon and bonding a new one. Daemon is bonded to one dragon at that time thus he's "two heads".
The dragon swaying his head is making more of a reference to the cobra snake charmer. 🐍
Thank you, Robert.
David lightbringer’s theory on this is definitely the best
perhaps the part referring to the 2 singing or connecting with the one is referring to a sort of symbolic 3rd....the dragon is an individual, daemon is an individual, but the unity the dragon and rider both makes creates something new all together...something more powerful than any mind but more intelligent than just a fire breathing monster
I actually assumed they were speaking about aegon, visenya and rhaenys as the three heads. The first stanza referring obviously to a dragon with three heads in the more literal sense reflecting their banner of the 3 headed red dragon or addressing their three dragons( Balerion,Meraxes,Vhagar), the second and third serving the same purpose of describing how they became dragon riders, the fourth and final stanza referring to the 3 people flying on each of their dragon's back as one symbollicaly, united as a family so perhaps this poem was made after they wed and how they were free from Old Valyria to persue their own ideas. I am of course no expert in lore so take this with a grain of salt
I much prefer David Lightbringer's interpretation of the three heads being, the current dragon, the ancestor whose concscious/soul was sacrfice and stuffed into a dragon at one point in the past and the third head to the current rider who has to be a descendant of the sacrificed individual.
Daemon was prepping vermithor to be his next dragon in case caraxes died fighting vhagar.
Daemon expected to need to 2v1 vhagar at some point and would've known that his dragon may die in the clash as well. He would've viewed sacrificing his dragon to kill the Greens only real advantage as a worthy trade, but he's not going to be a dragonless Targaryen afterwards. Hence prepping Vermithor.
To me it felt like the dragon was like singing his own verse or response to the song when it breathed fire
12:40 If this is true, I may have underestimated Ryan Condall & Co because this is typical GRRM. A worthy predecessor to Bloodraven😬👀
Love you bro.
The flame? The third is the the flame? The way he put it down could be seen a few ways. Placing the third party in their place. Submitting or granting the dragon the right of the flame in that moment. IDK. But I say the fire was the third party. An old song about the god and the dragon with the rider. Something like that maybe.
Lml locked this theory in for me. The dragons have the spirit of ancestors in them... A blood sacrifice binds the dragons and Targaryens.
Definitely Therapeutic for Daemon I believe. Love your theories
Great video
Thank You for the amazing content
It very much seems to me that the constant talk of three is referring to the minds of the rider, dragon and the combination of the two making a third. I think it makes sense with the fire and blood magic lyrics as an other worldly force (fire talking) is likely given to the targaryens through valyrian blood magic.
Interesting theory...I don't know if I buy it but I will eagerly await to see what comes of it (if anything).
It was a great scene. Daemon is a true dragon unlike his future descendant Viserys the Beggar King. My respect to Matt Smith
Kinda surprised this didn’t drop right after Season 1 ended.
Three headed part = binding to house Targaryen.
Blood magic part = just info about the history
"With three heads we shall fly" = more binding to house Targaryen and the individual
here's a thought: 1.blood magic performed in order to awaken a soul of a targaryen ancestor.
2. a potential rider(another living targaryen) sings a lull song to a riderless dragon to sooth him/her into accepting awakened soul of an ancestor( like a skinchanger/warg ).
3. this then makes "3 heads"( ancestor, dragon and a rider ) more compatible and a bond a success.
covers about everything, from blood magic (dna mixing between valerians and dragons), to the real reason targaryens insist on not mixing blood with other houses so much, as that would arrest their ability to bond.
Well, what does a gardener do? Plant seeds or sometimes graft one plant with strong roots but whose yield is low, to another to create a hybrid. Isn't that what GRRM does all the time?
TH-camr 'Michael talks about stuff' has a great theory on how dragon bonding works that is pretty dark and in the vein of George. His theory is that the 1st head is the dragon soul that was created by the targareans and stored in special places like the red comet. The second head is the soul of a sacrificial victim whos soul enters the dragon. And the third head is the rider. He makes a good argument how this explains why dragons eventually died out or became too weak and small and why the petrified dragon eggs only came at the time of dany. He says that the red comet contains the 3 dragon souls that were called down by Miri Mazdur during her burning. That the sacrifical souls are the souls of Drogo, Dany's baby, and Miri herself. That Drogon is Drogo, that Rhagal is dany's baby Rhaego, and that Viseryion is Miri and that she moved the souls into the eggs. It would explain the vision Dany has in the house of the undying when she sees a dragon come out of Miris brow. It would be that every dragon is in fact part human and that the dothraki prophecy is true, Dany's son and husband are alive and her son is the stallion that mounts the world because he is a dragon. On another set of videos by David lightbringer he proposes a theory that only targareans can bond with dragons because targareans are dragons. Being 'blood of the dragon' isn't metaphor, they really are the result of black magic to create half dragon people.
"Like a concertgoer flicking their lighter"
That's so *extremely* George
When he says 'two heads to a third sing' could he be meaning the two heads are himself and his own dragon? They are bonder. In GOT Daenerys lead three dragons from the back of just one. Could he be trying to recruit this dragon to ride with him and his dragon, thereby binding three minds?
The two that are one. One rider, one dragon, bonding to make one unity.
The three heads in my opinion are himself (Daemon), Rhenyra, and the dragon himself. If the dragon joins them they will be three. He considers this powerful dragon as their equal. Fire and blood, two Valyrians - Rhenyra and Daemon, true "dragons", so the Valyrian dragon needs to help them and join, aka become a 3 headed dragon in the process.
Except with the already bonded Syrax and Caraxes, it would be a five-headed dragon. Not like they can be dismissed, unless you're willing to go as far as claiming that Daemon and Rhaenyra don't value their own bonded dragons as much as an estranged one that hasn't been around humans in 30 years.
True enough but this one is an ancient dragon and the 2nd biggest, only after Vhaegar. I'd say its the most valuable dragon that can help them in this war. @@frederikl.1642 Also if you look at it from another perspective counting the dragons you mentioned, then the 3 headed dragon can be actually Vermithor + Syrax + Caraxes. That would make some sense too.
@@kobarsos82 Good point about Vermithor joining Daemon's and Rhaenyra's dragons, this way the math would add up again.
My theory is that there are 3 "ingredients" to make a dragon... That's why the song is call "with 3 heads"
'Cause it's from 3 beings'
And the blood magic bond the them together...
I have already imagined what was the ingredients...
"two heads... To a third, sing" means 2 heads that sing alone yet bind as a 3rd head when they sing together yet the 2 heads are still of their own voice and can be heard a 3rd voice can be heard as they bith sing a "3rd head".. This is the perfect description of the relationship a rider has with a dragon a rider has to be a force comparable to that of a dragon, someone of great power wether that be a warrior a king a lord or even a warlock/witch and a dragon is powerful on its own and together they create a new head of power so there you have it one head for the rider another for the dragon and the third makes up the unified head/mind of the dragon and the rider this the 3 headed dragon
I've always felt like the three headed dragon in the sigil was a symbol of utmost strength of Targaryens, had it's roots in old valyria where once a creature like that, the strongest form of dragon would've existed considering a three headed dragon is already a part of many cultural mythologies towards east.
Awesome vid
Jahaerys I had been dead for decades. And who knows when the last time the old king rode the bronze fury. I think it was Daemon getting him re acquainted with humans in anticipation of finding him and silverwing new riders
I was not a fan of the "rogue prince" as written, but seeing Matt Smith play him has proven how shallow I am :)
I always assumed Daemon is trying to use the combined will of himself and Caraxes to form a bond with/control Vermithor
They don't "control" the dragons they CANT...it's said over and over and over again and shown
@@brandonj7458 okay? Doesn't mean he isn't trying.
Has there ever been a person with two dragons bonded to them? What my first thought, after I heard the words in this video, was that the song is something that makes that possible and Daemon is trying to just do that. Much simpler and more boring, but that was my thinking.
Well Daenerys (Daemon and Rhaenyra's descendant) had 3 dragons. While her bond with Drogon was stronger, she was bonded with Rhaegal and Vyserion to.
She might be the only Targaryen that had 3 dragons at a time
I just think Daemon just sang it to calm Vermithor after he saw King Jahaerys I do it. However, I agree the song could have been a forgotten dragon bonding ceremonial song. It is likely a message that dragons are not slaves but equals to their Valyrian riders and actual “human” intelligent beings. Daenerys understood this in her own way.
My thought on the song has always been more surface level. The song he sings is to have vermithor to see both deamon and caraxes as Allys. So daemon is preparing to use vermithor without it having a rider. The 3 heads are daemon, Caraxes, and Vermithor.
It’s got multiple entendres. I think you nailed the surface level. And, of course we have the Targaryen conquerors and the family history to support it underneath.
Vermithor knows Caraxes well, they've been to war together along with Vhagar as well
Could Damon be referring to king Jahearys?.. like in terms of the "third"? Like his essence or ghost or something because that dragon was his mount lol (sorry if I misspelled anything 😅 )
the three heads are the wyvern and the fire wyrm and the dragon lord... in old valeria blood mages mixed the two creatures to create dragons then mixed their blood with dragon blood... the three heads
I always believed that the dragon bond was the eastern cousin of the world bond. It seems more than reasonable that like the wolf bond, a part of the dragon and rider become a part of each other just like the wargs. Especially considering that there has to be some sort of telepathic bond. So, I think the 3rd is Caraxes.
Why was it just Vermithor? did sing to him specifically? I would assume other dragons like Silver Wing would answer the call.
The third could be the spirits of the Valerians living on in the dragons. The dragon magic is sort of related to skin changed and the bond between rider and dragon is a deeply spiritual one. Imo literally a soul link where when the rider dies some of them lives on in the dragon and the spirit within allows them to recognize their own kin.
The 3rd head is the price that was paid in blood magic. A Targaryen ancestor was sacrificed to create the blood magic bond needed to ride the dragons.
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It seems to me Demon could be asking Vermithor to join himself and his dragon in a new bond. Like asking him to join their bond as the third, Demon and two dragons bonded as one.
I assumed the song he sand was the same one jahareys sang to vermithor cause while in pentos or where he was when his wife died he mentions that his grandfather jahareys sang to vermithor while reading a book.
Im pretty sure that "blood magic" isnt referring to incest, because it would be a weird way of mentioning it, its most likely referencing the actual magic behind which they were able to control dragons and grow them to an unfathomable size, the sacrific of actual human lives to support the vitality of the dragons, and the actual link is when Danerys burned mirri maaz durr on top of the dragons eggs, and hatching them in the process.
What if it's like the children of the forests, still alive in the crows, then bran wargs them. That's 3 entities in the same body. Dragon and Targaryen magic works in the same way. Dead Valyrians = COTF
Dragons = Crows
Bran = Targ
GRRM has shown us how the magic works. It's all connected. Like the colors of the Trident River when it forks in every house sigil it's used.
While watching I thought it could be a family lullaby, sung to babies and baby dragons by Targaryens, so Daemon wanted to rekindle that conditioning
Vermithor with a lighter: "cause im as free as a bird now" 😂
Perhaps the third head refers to jaharys
That daemon is a continuation of a that bonding and not a completely new thing
Maybe it was a way to change riders after a riders death
The third is an ancestor.
3 heads = daemon, vermithor, Syrax
To allow daemon to bond with 2 dragons while all three are still alive
I'm team Daemon in the books and I've even more team Daemon in the show even though I know how he ends
Maybe we, the audience, form the third Head of the Dragon. There's an argument to be made that, as the world exists within the pages of a novel, or within the light of a screen such as befits the medium of the show, that we the audience are a part of this Union. And that it is Daemon and Vermithor who are the two heads singing to us.
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The song is pretty specific that the singer is one of the three heads, right? Not a priest, interlocutor or 'warming up'. Perhaps Daemon thinks he can ride two dragons? Makes no sense otherwise
Have you ever heard the expression three minds one soul?
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I think the song might come back for the dragon seeding, like it’s just part of the ritual that was lost with the dying of the dragons
7:24 GERALT IS THE THIRD HEAD
I think the third mind is the new shared consciousness/bond shared between the dragon and the rider.