I learned to fly in a Vanguard Warden. I learned to dog fight in a Vanguard Warden. I plan on dying in a Vanguard Warden. That ship is a venerable tank with wings and has always brought me home. They nerfed her by not allowing you to swap to all S3 missiles or even 2 S4 missiles but she is still my all-time favorite ship in SC. And keep in mind, I own: F-8C, F-7A Mk I, F-7C Heartseeker, F-7C Mk II, Scorpius and the new Guardian.
For the Vanguard, I highly recommend the Attrition 5 and the GVSR Repeaters, as they both have a 1,000m/s projectile speed and therefore ALL 5 of your guns hit the same target on a single pip and it shreds. Like absolutely SHREDS. It is currently the only loadout that allows all the guns to match up. Make sure the Attrition is on the gimbal mount as well or the main gun will point too far up.
@@NFEzantiszar I don't have a Vanguard, but CIG mentioned months ago that some ships and guns wouldn't be gimballed ... and they specifically called out Vanguard as being one of them.
@@c0sm0cat660 yeah those I know they one of the features of the vanguard which I dont mind just need matching velocity main gun so I have less issues with dual pips
Correct answer is: Both. I won’t be selling my old warden (occasionally tempted to upgrade to a Harb. Got a QI and that will definitely have its place.
Vanguard : With two shields double the shield pool plus you regain 502 shields per sec, and the guardian you have only half the shield pool regains 251 shields per Sec. The vanguard can out DPS the Guardian one size 5 attrition and four size 2 laser repeaters give 2965 DPS plus 2 size 2 Tourette 804 DPS with a gunner, or you can split the size 2s anyway you want with distortion repeaters or cannon. The Sentinel will also give you 3300 shield damage with its EMP. To me that is quite a bit more damage and versatility far surpassing the guardian’s 2460 DPS with 2 Attritions. And the last thing about the Vanguard is the ease of loading one SCU boxes , lowering your pulse to the lowest ridding position and driving it directly up the ramp and hopping off of it inside of the Vanguard cleanly. And it is very easy to load up geared, dead bodies up into the ramp of the vanguard for bunker looting. That all being said I still like the guardian QI. But the Vanguard Sentinel and Warden handles just as well as any of the guardians.
@ when I was trying to put the pulse in to the Guardian the lift is a bit too short . So I had to tractor it in the nose up a little and get it at an angle that is good. Then it was on its side and started flopping around, then I had sparks. And I put the lift up then I ran to the front of the ship and got in from the cockpit. Then I I spun my seat went through two doors more and tractor beamed the Pulse in a bit better but the door kept wanting to close on it so it was flopping around. And yes I did get it in. But that is not what I want to have to do every time I take a bike in the Guardian. The SCU boxes are not that hard to load.
i have a guardian and a warden. after some extensive testing i have to say the guardian is nice but the combat performance of the warden is far superior with the right loadout.
Only thing I don’t like about vanguard is the small wing things looking like it skipped arm day and the size 5 is cool but it kinda stands out. I think it would be better to remove it and put 2 size 4 or 3 guns on the wings or giant turbine thruster things
aerospace engineer here, this is the main reason I don't like any of the Vanguards. Not saying it can't work in a time where wings aren't required but the small 'afterthought' wings could have been left off.
I hope they'll be able to make the nose guns fit better visually (looks so out of place) and let the turrets fold in and out together with a gold pass, I like both ships but the Guardian is newer and doesnt need a gold pass... yet..
Personally, I prefer the Warden variant of the Vanguard as I find the Gladiator is a better torpedo boat. Also, you can park a pulse vehicle on the ramp of the Warden.
I think 4 rooms and 4 doors are absolute Overkill for such a small ship. I would have prefered less doors. 2 would have been enouh. one after the entrace lift and 2nd to get into the cockpit and between one bigger area that combines the living space and the component space. The small empty space between living space and cockpit is waste of space. Also they could/should have added a small cargo like on the 325a or on the intrepid + a Holding Mechanism on the outside for a pulse. Seriously, if this would be real companies making ships for real people living in the future they would make a better job and think things thru much more to sell their ships and beat the competition. Also 4x S4 guns would have suited this ship much better, in looks and in its purpose as heavy fighter.
I think the difference between having two size 5 guns and any other combination of smaller calibers will only really be meaningful once Maelstrom is in. Even now, we can see values like "max penetration thickness" and "penetration distance" in erkul which will probably become interesting once we are supposed to actually damage ship components. That said, I really like them both. I have a Guardian and a Warden and find them both very enjoyable. Really wish they hadn't thrown the Vanguard's component redundancy out of the window, that was one of its special perks.
Hmm...nice show. Love the Guardian! What a fantastic design and usefulness for a single player. It's a keeper in my rather large fleet for sure. I might grab the Vanguards again though - at least one of them. I've had a love/hate relationship to those over the years. Never did like the bespoked guns (but admit it was fun when they were op - long time ago) - and still don't tbh. The redundancy in components, general toughness of the ship and the long range are all strong cards - weighing up for the negative sides probably.
I hate being that guy, but it is QI ( qi ), not QL ( ql ). I believe it stands for Quantum Interdiction? I definitely would have considered getting the CCU from Sentinel to QI if it was priced higher, but after reading some of the other comments from more experienced Vanguard pilots, I think I might just need more time with it to better appreciate my Sentinel. Good video 👍
They are like motorcycles - each rider will get in love with a specific model for a particular reason As fighters they are so similar... vanguard has more shields and its bigger, guardian has less shields but fits in the polaris Vanguard has more DPS, but maelstorm will change the dynamics of those 4 size 2 weapons. All this to say, go with your gut and brings you best feelings over them
@@mcbrite They are very similar, maybe its me who lacks high skills to differentiate. But Guardian has better yaw values, so you don't have to fly like a jet all the time... I really prefer it. And I super dislike vanguards bespoke size 2 cannons, so there is a bias here XD
I’ve been pronouncing it Guardian “Chi” because the alien race the tech is based off of seems to have roots in Chinese language, and Q is a “Ch” sound in Chinese. Anyone else?
I want a Harbinger since i saw you can fit a grav bike inside it with ease. It`s like the only downside i see for myself, i love Guardian design and nimbleness.
I believe the four nose guns can be replaced. I had the idea, when the AI blade is available for the Wardens turret, I'll find a way to place PICO in the turret, so it looks like PICO is firing the weapon. ;-D Until it was nerfed the Warden was the ship to be avoided, or you will die.
Yes I had pretty much all at matching proejctile speeds. Including the big one. But that was months ago now. So not sure if still possible to do now. I think the ones i used called CVSA or something if remember correctly.
The ability to easily carry a Pulse in the back of a Vanguard is a big advantage over the Guardian, which while technically possible in the Guardian with a tractor beam, is in practise janky and annoying to such an extent that it is not worth it.
I was comparing My base Warden to a base Guardian (Ship Matrix) and per the specs, regarding firepower it looks like a Warden is superior. Warden: 5 S5 & 4x 2 S2 Weapons, with 2x 3 S3 Missiles (2) & 2x 2 S2 Missiles (4). Guardian: 2x 5 S5 Weapon, with 4x 2 S2 Missiles (4). The Guardian is better in other areas, but for a fighter, its "Punching Power" is key, its health (armor, shields) a close second. ;-) I'll stick with my Warden.
Still debating in my head. I CCUed my Corsair to the Qi, but now I asked CIG to refund and revert that CCU (and now playing the waiting game) since I already have a CCU to the Sentinel and also a Sentinel->Harbinger CCU in my hangar. Maybe if they refund me, I'll still buy a Qi CCU to drop into my buybacks in case I change my mind again, lol. This game is dangerous to someone who impulse shops like me, lol.
The S5 hanging on the nose of the vanguard has always been ridiculous looking to me. Same with Titan and 325. For the vanguard I would have mounted it just behind the cockpit on a flat spot to allow turret to still be able to clear it and fire forward. Just goofy looking having that giant gun mounted on a tiny gimbal out there.
Vanguard supposedly three way baby between b25 Mitchell, Mi 24 and f111 , 😂 I agree it was goofy but at least they consistent with Aegis ships design with their oversized "chin" guns, also vanguard with large fixed cannon on nose similar to real life B25G would looks nicer than attack helicopter wannabe front l.
Lol, I have not seen it. I thought from the beginning it was QL not QI. It was kind of weird to me why it is called QL but who knows lol. Thank you for the info. Merry Christmas 🎄
Vanguard one of my favorites to. Flew it many times. But the guardian is my new toy XD Still got the vanguard i think since it is if it still is one of the ships you get for having perseus. Untill that is flgith ready.
I like the Vanguard but i find the ramp and doors very frustrating as it is too easy to close the door in your own face when you wanted to open the ramp etc. 😊
Both the vanguard and guardian can store cargo. As a vanguard driver, I can stuff 4 SCU comfortably in the back. Nice when taking out a bounty with loot. Sadly, CIG can't fix clipping issues with boxes falling out.
The Vanguard was my favourite from the first glance at SC. It reminds me of the drop ship from "Aliens". BUT i cant stand the big S5 on the chin only hold by a pixel also it looks rediculous.
Missile warnings have changed, might still be an option to go back to the old style, but they are quiet now. I prefer this on larger ships where it can be almost better to just take the hit when you are full hp/shields. If you look before you get hit, the warning is just below the center MFDs. I believe it's something like 'warnings cast to visor' option, but I forget the exact wording.
Regular Guardian for me, because it needs the extra three pips imho. And I have a Vanguard Sentinel and Cutty Blue if I need EMP capability. Their power capabilities are better suited for that as well. The Sentinel has a standard Attrition 5 under the nose and you only have to replace the in-nose guns for laser repeaters for 1000m/s capability. The Guardian seems to function better with dual Galdereens running at 1800m/s capability. The interior is very handy if you want to bedlog, which is currently perfect if you want to relog to a server with working missions. If I had to choose only one, the choice would be hard but maybe I would lean to the Guardian bc it is newer although I think the Sentinel is better. Not sure at all! Have a nice Christmas Kornelius! o7
Just so you're aware, you can entirely power off the QD on the QI. Once you do that the QI is identical to the base variant in power requirements. Also, for the time being you can also remove the coolers with no ill effects, which frees up even more power. Beyond that you can shut off life support to free up another pip, since you're wearing a vac suit anyway...
@ Thanks, yeah I’m aware of that. However that setting isn’t (currently) always persistent and there also isn’t a hotkey possible for it atm (afaik). Not sure if it defaults to on? Similar fighters with QD’s and EMP’s have them disabled by default and usually a ‘physical’ button somewhere on the dash. If that’s the case it would be far easier to deal with it, as you usually don’t really need the dampener. It’s a bit of a shame the Guardian’s power situation is lackluster, but every ship needs to have downsides for balance I suppose. Now let’s keep our fingers crossed CIG isn’t going to nerf the Guardian, like they did with the F8C and others.
@@brettwebb6789 Okay, I pledged a QI as well and tried it. The QD is powered down by default, which is great. So I ended up melting my regular Guardian and its Sovereign paint, as the QI’s default paint is great. So the price difference for me is only a mere $2.50. I decided to keep my Vanguard Sentinel, with its 1000m/s energy weapons and my Inferno, with its 1000m/s ballistic weapon. The QI will get a pair of Galdereens for 1800m/s energy weapons. So I now have three heavies, each with their own weapon based role. Cheers o7
I melted my Warden to Upgrade to the Guardian. It was a hard decision cause i flown Warden since the beginning Concept Phase etc. also the new flight model doesnt fit her great and i lost my fun with her, sure the Warden is a massive Tank in Space and does her Job as a Heavy Fighter for Long Ranges better than everything else, like the Guardian....but i switched for this reasons 1. More Enjoyable Flight Characteristics for Single Pilot 2. A Star Citizen Tie Fighter design that i always loved. 3. Setup of the Internals 4. Handling for Equip and Switching weapons etc. -why dont the QI Variant? -> cause the Base Variant is the perfect equivalent to the Warden designed as a heavy Fighter. Shes lighter and has better Maneuvering speeds that allows me to get my Weapons faster on Target. And im also not interesstet and find 4,5k Quantum dampening Range not impressive enough to switch to QI. The QI is but really vood equiped than the Standard with alot better internal Components like better Energy Gens but thats a thing you easy could fit or Earn it in Game with some Money.
Playing with another person as a gunner the Vanguard is better but even then you’d be better off putting that extra player in a Titan rather than a Vanguard and then we reach the real issue, multicrew. I’d rather have 8 Buccaneers than a fully crewed Polaris in 9 out of 10 combat situations. For me the Guardian slightly wins due to the QI.
Did you try Pirate Swarm recently? The turret gunners are really strong. At least for NPCs, a gunner is better than a second ship. These Cutties, Vanguard or Hammerhead turrets hit really hard since 4.0.
@ for PvE maybe they’re acceptable but good luck trying to hit a decent pilot from more than 700km away in an Buc as they movement tank you due to projectile travel speed and the smaller profile of the ship. You’ll miss every shot while they land every shot on the larger target. Plus multiple targets opens up unchallenged attack vectors vs a single targets so if due to a mistake one person takes a hit they can get to safety while the others keep the target busy.
@@Alias_Reign Just for fun, pls. give it a try in A/C pirate swarm. It's a huge difference to 3.24 :-) Especially wave 8 (Hammerhead) - 700m distance will kill you quickly. I know, small fighters have the distance advantage, but these HH-repeaters have a huge spread and unlimited ammo. Of course, with 6 Buccies you easily win. With two it's a fair fight. As a solo against the HH, I often lose 1-2 lifes, no matter what ship I use. (I train often)
While in the current state of the game it is a bit better to bring 8 Buccs than a whole Polaris. You still have to think about when we finally get multiple star systems and far more mechanics put into place. It takes fuel to jump through the Jump Point and pyro is a large system. If you don't have at minium 1.8 QT fuel you aren't making it far in pyro. So those 8 Buccs have to go refuel and the only have 0.7 QT fuel which won't get you far in Pyro or any other larger system until we get the Kraken, Idris, or Liberator to carry them. With the Polaris you can have it fully crewed and fit I believe to Buccs in there as well. So you have the full might and cover of a Polaris and 2 buccs to go cause havoc. They don't have to use any QT fuel to jump places as they are being carried by a mothership. When we get the mechanics to rearm, refuel, and repair manually we don't need to go to a station in pyro that may have a hostile org there with their fleet holding it down so you can't use its services. There is far more utility that ships like the Polaris, Idris, Kraken, and Liberator can bring to the table other than pure combat. Right now that stuff isn't in (as well as the other 3 ships) so more fighters will generally just be better. In the future when things are actually added (hopefully) and working it will be far better to bring a single fully crewed Polaris with fighter(s) of choice in the hangar over 8 Fighters. As more and more things get added and fleshed out Carrier and Larger ships are going to be beneficial for longer range activities while smaller fighters will be king at homebase (and mothership) protection.
I really wanna love the guardian, but I own f8 f7a and they are just better, sure they don't have an interior but the polaris exists now as mothership for all facilities one could need including things that the guardian cant have like medbays
@@chrissssa oh yeah, I get that. I thought about it for awhile, but honestly, I found myself flying my Warden more often than the F8 anyway. I like that both the Warden and the Guardian have interiors and I can use the Warden when a friend's playing, the Guardian when flying solo.
if u care about ship interiors and features. u always want to go to the newer ships cuz the older ships show its age. they really need to gold standard their back catalog of ships cuz some of those old ships really need em. cuz for ships like the vanguard not being able to get into the pilots seat from the front is stupid. thats why a lot of ppl dont like piloting the multicrew huge ships cuz u need to take a lot of minutes to get out of ur ship and to get into ur ship... no one wants to deal with that after hours and hours of gameplay.
Hold 'R' to exit the front. 'Y' to exit to the rear.
Will try that. Thanks.
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Bro no way. I never knew this. Is this new?
I learned to fly in a Vanguard Warden. I learned to dog fight in a Vanguard Warden. I plan on dying in a Vanguard Warden. That ship is a venerable tank with wings and has always brought me home.
They nerfed her by not allowing you to swap to all S3 missiles or even 2 S4 missiles but she is still my all-time favorite ship in SC.
And keep in mind, I own: F-8C, F-7A Mk I, F-7C Heartseeker, F-7C Mk II, Scorpius and the new Guardian.
Exactly. The only thing better than the Warden is the Harbinger. Mostly because it's a Warden plus torpedoes.
@@schakTheNerd bigger turret guns too
For the Vanguard, I highly recommend the Attrition 5 and the GVSR Repeaters, as they both have a 1,000m/s projectile speed and therefore ALL 5 of your guns hit the same target on a single pip and it shreds. Like absolutely SHREDS. It is currently the only loadout that allows all the guns to match up. Make sure the Attrition is on the gimbal mount as well or the main gun will point too far up.
Dont all ships come gimballed to say now a days ?
@@NFEzantiszar I don't have a Vanguard, but CIG mentioned months ago that some ships and guns wouldn't be gimballed ... and they specifically called out Vanguard as being one of them.
@@KaybeCA guess ill have to buy a attrition 5 and mount it up and see how it goes 🤔
@@NFEzantiszar The 4 size 2 guns in the nose of the Vanguards are not gimballed and will never be. They have always been meant to be fixed guns.
@@c0sm0cat660 yeah those I know they one of the features of the vanguard which I dont mind just need matching velocity main gun so I have less issues with dual pips
didn't think I would like it but have to say, I'm impressed with it so far. reminds me of something like a heavy Tie Interceptor.
Please dont ruin it, we dont want to hear about a childish failing IP, SW is for little kids.
@davewills148 facts lol, sorry shhhh
Chris roberts modeled some of their ships from SW ships. It's just facts. But I guess facts aren't for kids.
It reminds me of Starkiller's ship (or was it a sith transport from the old republic ? Can't remember, haven't touched SW in a very long time)
@Stormyy6310 I know not of the nonsense you speak......sounds childish though
I think i love the vanguard too much to replace it with the guardian, but time will tell.
CIG... Are the bright white lights, on either side of the cockpit, (shining directly in your face) really necessary?
Correct answer is: Both. I won’t be selling my old warden (occasionally tempted to upgrade to a Harb. Got a QI and that will definitely have its place.
Vanguard : With two shields double the shield pool plus you regain 502 shields per sec, and the guardian you have only half the shield pool regains 251 shields per Sec. The vanguard can out DPS the Guardian one size 5 attrition and four size 2 laser repeaters give 2965 DPS plus 2 size 2 Tourette 804 DPS with a gunner, or you can split the size 2s anyway you want with distortion repeaters or cannon. The Sentinel will also give you 3300 shield damage with its EMP. To me that is quite a bit more damage and versatility far surpassing the guardian’s 2460 DPS with 2 Attritions.
And the last thing about the Vanguard is the ease of loading one SCU boxes , lowering your pulse to the lowest ridding position and driving it directly up the ramp and hopping off of it inside of the Vanguard cleanly. And it is very easy to load up geared, dead bodies up into the ramp of the vanguard for bunker looting. That all being said I still like the guardian QI. But the Vanguard Sentinel and Warden handles just as well as any of the guardians.
Thats rigth. I put 5 x 1scu Boxes in vanguard.
U can load pulse or 5scu in guardian too
@@ivanweyland6832 but its difficult
@ when I was trying to put the pulse in to the Guardian the lift is a bit too short . So I had to tractor it in the nose up a little and get it at an angle that is good. Then it was on its side and started flopping around, then I had sparks. And I put the lift up then I ran to the front of the ship and got in from the cockpit. Then I I spun my seat went through two doors more and tractor beamed the Pulse in a bit better but the door kept wanting to close on it so it was flopping around. And yes I did get it in. But that is not what I want to have to do every time I take a bike in the Guardian. The SCU boxes are not that hard to load.
i have a guardian and a warden. after some extensive testing i have to say the guardian is nice but the combat performance of the warden is far superior with the right loadout.
Great video, and a good comparison of the Guardian and Vanguard. Due to the ramp on the Vanguards, it's easier to load a pulse on board.
I think I speak for almost everyone here: we love both ❤️
The "pillars" actually make the front thrusters fire way far in the front, thus helping it turn faster.
Only thing I don’t like about vanguard is the small wing things looking like it skipped arm day and the size 5 is cool but it kinda stands out. I think it would be better to remove it and put 2 size 4 or 3 guns on the wings or giant turbine thruster things
aerospace engineer here, this is the main reason I don't like any of the Vanguards. Not saying it can't work in a time where wings aren't required but the small 'afterthought' wings could have been left off.
I will always love the Vanguards.
I hope they'll be able to make the nose guns fit better visually (looks so out of place) and let the turrets fold in and out together with a gold pass, I like both ships but the Guardian is newer and doesnt need a gold pass... yet..
Personally, I prefer the Warden variant of the Vanguard as I find the Gladiator is a better torpedo boat. Also, you can park a pulse vehicle on the ramp of the Warden.
I think 4 rooms and 4 doors are absolute Overkill for such a small ship. I would have prefered less doors. 2 would have been enouh. one after the entrace lift and 2nd to get into the cockpit and between one bigger area that combines the living space and the component space. The small empty space between living space and cockpit is waste of space.
Also they could/should have added a small cargo like on the 325a or on the intrepid + a Holding Mechanism on the outside for a pulse. Seriously, if this would be real companies making ships for real people living in the future they would make a better job and think things thru much more to sell their ships and beat the competition. Also 4x S4 guns would have suited this ship much better, in looks and in its purpose as heavy fighter.
I think the difference between having two size 5 guns and any other combination of smaller calibers will only really be meaningful once Maelstrom is in. Even now, we can see values like "max penetration thickness" and "penetration distance" in erkul which will probably become interesting once we are supposed to actually damage ship components.
That said, I really like them both. I have a Guardian and a Warden and find them both very enjoyable. Really wish they hadn't thrown the Vanguard's component redundancy out of the window, that was one of its special perks.
Hmm...nice show. Love the Guardian! What a fantastic design and usefulness for a single player. It's a keeper in my rather large fleet for sure.
I might grab the Vanguards again though - at least one of them. I've had a love/hate relationship to those over the years. Never did like the bespoked guns (but admit it was fun when they were op - long time ago) - and still don't tbh. The redundancy in components, general toughness of the ship and the long range are all strong cards - weighing up for the negative sides probably.
I hate being that guy, but it is QI ( qi ), not QL ( ql ). I believe it stands for Quantum Interdiction?
I definitely would have considered getting the CCU from Sentinel to QI if it was priced higher, but after reading some of the other comments from more experienced Vanguard pilots, I think I might just need more time with it to better appreciate my Sentinel.
Good video 👍
Yeah, I realized that later lol. Thank you for the tip. Definitely Sentinel is an amazing ship. True Heavy Fighter. o7
They are like motorcycles - each rider will get in love with a specific model for a particular reason
As fighters they are so similar... vanguard has more shields and its bigger, guardian has less shields but fits in the polaris
Vanguard has more DPS, but maelstorm will change the dynamics of those 4 size 2 weapons. All this to say, go with your gut and brings you best feelings over them
Which of those would you say performs the best all round?
@@mcbrite They are very similar, maybe its me who lacks high skills to differentiate. But Guardian has better yaw values, so you don't have to fly like a jet all the time... I really prefer it. And I super dislike vanguards bespoke size 2 cannons, so there is a bias here XD
Love both - have a QI and a Sentinel
I’ve been pronouncing it Guardian “Chi” because the alien race the tech is based off of seems to have roots in Chinese language, and Q is a “Ch” sound in Chinese. Anyone else?
I want a Harbinger since i saw you can fit a grav bike inside it with ease.
It`s like the only downside i see for myself, i love Guardian design and nimbleness.
I believe the four nose guns can be replaced.
I had the idea, when the AI blade is available for the Wardens turret, I'll find a way to place PICO in the turret, so it looks like PICO is firing the weapon. ;-D
Until it was nerfed the Warden was the ship to be avoided, or you will die.
Yes I had pretty much all at matching proejctile speeds. Including the big one. But that was months ago now. So not sure if still possible to do now. I think the ones i used called CVSA or something if remember correctly.
The ability to easily carry a Pulse in the back of a Vanguard is a big advantage over the Guardian, which while technically possible in the Guardian with a tractor beam, is in practise janky and annoying to such an extent that it is not worth it.
I was comparing My base Warden to a base Guardian (Ship Matrix) and per the specs, regarding firepower it looks like a Warden is superior.
Warden: 5 S5 & 4x 2 S2 Weapons, with 2x 3 S3 Missiles (2) & 2x 2 S2 Missiles (4).
Guardian: 2x 5 S5 Weapon, with 4x 2 S2 Missiles (4).
The Guardian is better in other areas, but for a fighter, its "Punching Power" is key, its health (armor, shields) a close second. ;-)
I'll stick with my Warden.
Still debating in my head. I CCUed my Corsair to the Qi, but now I asked CIG to refund and revert that CCU (and now playing the waiting game) since I already have a CCU to the Sentinel and also a Sentinel->Harbinger CCU in my hangar. Maybe if they refund me, I'll still buy a Qi CCU to drop into my buybacks in case I change my mind again, lol.
This game is dangerous to someone who impulse shops like me, lol.
The S5 hanging on the nose of the vanguard has always been ridiculous looking to me. Same with Titan and 325. For the vanguard I would have mounted it just behind the cockpit on a flat spot to allow turret to still be able to clear it and fire forward. Just goofy looking having that giant gun mounted on a tiny gimbal out there.
Vanguard supposedly three way baby between b25 Mitchell, Mi 24 and f111 , 😂 I agree it was goofy but at least they consistent with Aegis ships design with their oversized "chin" guns, also vanguard with large fixed cannon on nose similar to real life B25G would looks nicer than attack helicopter wannabe front l.
Wouldn't the Vanguard Sentinel be the better ship to compare the Guardian QI with than a Warden ?
If you were paying attention at the start, I said that I don't own one. Sorry. o7
good vid.. but anyway it's QI (i)(standing for Quantum Interdictor) and not QL mate :P
Happy holiday anyway!
Lol, I have not seen it. I thought from the beginning it was QL not QI. It was kind of weird to me why it is called QL but who knows lol. Thank you for the info. Merry Christmas 🎄
Vanguard one of my favorites to. Flew it many times. But the guardian is my new toy XD
Still got the vanguard i think since it is if it still is one of the ships you get for having perseus. Untill that is flgith ready.
I like the Vanguard but i find the ramp and doors very frustrating as it is too easy to close the door in your own face when you wanted to open the ramp etc. 😊
Guardian for sure, I take harbinger, even though the size 5 isn't shooting atm.. my weapjn loadout i perfer is an ominsky 5 and laser cannons
Vanguard Harbinger is somehow in my heart.
the size 2's need to match something other than the shit omnisky
Both the vanguard and guardian can store cargo. As a vanguard driver, I can stuff 4 SCU comfortably in the back. Nice when taking out a bounty with loot. Sadly, CIG can't fix clipping issues with boxes falling out.
Hey, what do you mean about the extra pips on the standard Guardian?
Not Guardian, but Warden. It has two pips because of the different speed of weapons.
is qi, not ql, qi for quntum interdiction
What country are you from? Good video
Thank you. Croatia, but living in Germany. o7
The Vanguard was my favourite from the first glance at SC. It reminds me of the drop ship from "Aliens". BUT i cant stand the big S5 on the chin only hold by a pixel also it looks rediculous.
Did you loose the combat-footage of the Guardian ?
No, I have a video about it just prior to this so I didn't include it. It is linked in description. o7
Storage is new thing in Vanguard! lovely!
Is Ares Inferno still useful?
Them right, check my video about it. They first nerfed it then buffed it. Now it is much better than in 3.24.3
Missile warnings have changed, might still be an option to go back to the old style, but they are quiet now. I prefer this on larger ships where it can be almost better to just take the hit when you are full hp/shields. If you look before you get hit, the warning is just below the center MFDs. I believe it's something like 'warnings cast to visor' option, but I forget the exact wording.
Vanguard harbinger is best. More versatility and yoi can bring a friend
Guardian vs scorpious please😂
QL?
QI=Quantum Interdiction/Interruption I'm thinking. QL makes no sense.
No Guardian dogfight reels? v_v
I made a video the day before. Link is in description.
‘Q’ ‘L’????????? I’ve heard Q ‘I’ I’ve heard ‘Ki’ I’ve heard ‘Gi’ I’ve heard ‘Kai’, but L????
Everything is the first time lol i thought it was qL not qI 😅
Pretty sure it’s QI, not QL.
Regular Guardian for me, because it needs the extra three pips imho. And I have a Vanguard Sentinel and Cutty Blue if I need EMP capability. Their power capabilities are better suited for that as well. The Sentinel has a standard Attrition 5 under the nose and you only have to replace the in-nose guns for laser repeaters for 1000m/s capability. The Guardian seems to function better with dual Galdereens running at 1800m/s capability. The interior is very handy if you want to bedlog, which is currently perfect if you want to relog to a server with working missions. If I had to choose only one, the choice would be hard but maybe I would lean to the Guardian bc it is newer although I think the Sentinel is better. Not sure at all! Have a nice Christmas Kornelius! o7
Just so you're aware, you can entirely power off the QD on the QI. Once you do that the QI is identical to the base variant in power requirements. Also, for the time being you can also remove the coolers with no ill effects, which frees up even more power. Beyond that you can shut off life support to free up another pip, since you're wearing a vac suit anyway...
@ Thanks, yeah I’m aware of that. However that setting isn’t (currently) always persistent and there also isn’t a hotkey possible for it atm (afaik). Not sure if it defaults to on? Similar fighters with QD’s and EMP’s have them disabled by default and usually a ‘physical’ button somewhere on the dash. If that’s the case it would be far easier to deal with it, as you usually don’t really need the dampener. It’s a bit of a shame the Guardian’s power situation is lackluster, but every ship needs to have downsides for balance I suppose. Now let’s keep our fingers crossed CIG isn’t going to nerf the Guardian, like they did with the F8C and others.
@@brettwebb6789 Okay, I pledged a QI as well and tried it. The QD is powered down by default, which is great. So I ended up melting my regular Guardian and its Sovereign paint, as the QI’s default paint is great. So the price difference for me is only a mere $2.50. I decided to keep my Vanguard Sentinel, with its 1000m/s energy weapons and my Inferno, with its 1000m/s ballistic weapon. The QI will get a pair of Galdereens for 1800m/s energy weapons. So I now have three heavies, each with their own weapon based role. Cheers o7
Old and busted vs new hotness
Mirai Guardian QL. 😂😂😂 It's the Quality of Life ship, "only from Mirai"
Don't laugh at other people's ignorance lol 😂
@infinitespace239 i mean, i was calling it the "Chi" instead of the Q I, so my ignorance was laughable, too.
vanguard win
its Q i not Q L
I melted my Warden to Upgrade to the Guardian. It was a hard decision cause i flown Warden since the beginning Concept Phase etc. also the new flight model doesnt fit her great and i lost my fun with her, sure the Warden is a massive Tank in Space and does her Job as a Heavy Fighter for Long Ranges better than everything else, like the Guardian....but i switched for this reasons 1. More Enjoyable Flight Characteristics for Single Pilot 2. A Star Citizen Tie Fighter design that i always loved. 3. Setup of the Internals 4. Handling for Equip and Switching weapons etc.
-why dont the QI Variant?
-> cause the Base Variant is the perfect equivalent to the Warden designed as a heavy Fighter. Shes lighter and has better Maneuvering speeds that allows me to get my Weapons faster on Target. And im also not interesstet and find 4,5k Quantum dampening Range not impressive enough to switch to QI.
The QI is but really vood equiped than the Standard with alot better internal Components like better Energy Gens but thats a thing you easy could fit or Earn it in Game with some Money.
Playing with another person as a gunner the Vanguard is better but even then you’d be better off putting that extra player in a Titan rather than a Vanguard and then we reach the real issue, multicrew. I’d rather have 8 Buccaneers than a fully crewed Polaris in 9 out of 10 combat situations.
For me the Guardian slightly wins due to the QI.
Did you try Pirate Swarm recently? The turret gunners are really strong. At least for NPCs, a gunner is better than a second ship. These Cutties, Vanguard or Hammerhead turrets hit really hard since 4.0.
@ for PvE maybe they’re acceptable but good luck trying to hit a decent pilot from more than 700km away in an Buc as they movement tank you due to projectile travel speed and the smaller profile of the ship. You’ll miss every shot while they land every shot on the larger target.
Plus multiple targets opens up unchallenged attack vectors vs a single targets so if due to a mistake one person takes a hit they can get to safety while the others keep the target busy.
@@Alias_Reign Just for fun, pls. give it a try in A/C pirate swarm. It's a huge difference to 3.24 :-) Especially wave 8 (Hammerhead) - 700m distance will kill you quickly. I know, small fighters have the distance advantage, but these HH-repeaters have a huge spread and unlimited ammo. Of course, with 6 Buccies you easily win. With two it's a fair fight. As a solo against the HH, I often lose 1-2 lifes, no matter what ship I use. (I train often)
While in the current state of the game it is a bit better to bring 8 Buccs than a whole Polaris. You still have to think about when we finally get multiple star systems and far more mechanics put into place. It takes fuel to jump through the Jump Point and pyro is a large system. If you don't have at minium 1.8 QT fuel you aren't making it far in pyro. So those 8 Buccs have to go refuel and the only have 0.7 QT fuel which won't get you far in Pyro or any other larger system until we get the Kraken, Idris, or Liberator to carry them.
With the Polaris you can have it fully crewed and fit I believe to Buccs in there as well. So you have the full might and cover of a Polaris and 2 buccs to go cause havoc. They don't have to use any QT fuel to jump places as they are being carried by a mothership. When we get the mechanics to rearm, refuel, and repair manually we don't need to go to a station in pyro that may have a hostile org there with their fleet holding it down so you can't use its services. There is far more utility that ships like the Polaris, Idris, Kraken, and Liberator can bring to the table other than pure combat. Right now that stuff isn't in (as well as the other 3 ships) so more fighters will generally just be better. In the future when things are actually added (hopefully) and working it will be far better to bring a single fully crewed Polaris with fighter(s) of choice in the hangar over 8 Fighters. As more and more things get added and fleshed out Carrier and Larger ships are going to be beneficial for longer range activities while smaller fighters will be king at homebase (and mothership) protection.
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I really wanna love the guardian, but I own f8 f7a and they are just better, sure they don't have an interior but the polaris exists now as mothership for all facilities one could need including things that the guardian cant have like medbays
I kept my Warden, melted my F8, and bought a Guardian. And as much as I love my Warden, I like flying the Guardian more!
You need big cojones to melt f8. I'm tempted but it's so exclusive that I can't.
@@chrissssa oh yeah, I get that. I thought about it for awhile, but honestly, I found myself flying my Warden more often than the F8 anyway. I like that both the Warden and the Guardian have interiors and I can use the Warden when a friend's playing, the Guardian when flying solo.
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if u care about ship interiors and features. u always want to go to the newer ships cuz the older ships show its age. they really need to gold standard their back catalog of ships cuz some of those old ships really need em. cuz for ships like the vanguard not being able to get into the pilots seat from the front is stupid. thats why a lot of ppl dont like piloting the multicrew huge ships cuz u need to take a lot of minutes to get out of ur ship and to get into ur ship... no one wants to deal with that after hours and hours of gameplay.