What I love about this case is that it proves that over the years this investigative unit, prosecution and the judge have got away with murder, it proves how much they did not do investigations but got convictions. They are so lame such that even in such a high profile case no investigation was done but the accused were hand-picked to fit the crime, its a blessing in disguise that this case was given so much attention, I can imagine what could have happened had this case happened under wraps! In a way these guys are not brilliant minds! You guys at Mzansi Reality can even do a better job than them!
As much as we are painfully subjected to drivel on a daily basis, the attention that this case got was a blessing in disguise. It will also help those who are currently serving prison sentences for crimes they did not commit. Many cases will be re-opened and the hand of the enemy will be exposed wholly. At the moment we are only seeing the tip of his fingers. Hold the line family. More is coming.
In that saying am still wondering what happened to Gininda, what was consequences of Judge finding that the confession was made under duress in Krejcir case. What was the outcome in him?
Yesterday I raised my fear on Nxumalo not pressing on and making follow ups on his questions but yes I can say that he made us happy. He didn't allow to be distracted. He pushed to have his question answered
All those arrested by Gininda and Baloyi need to get good lawyers to look into their convictions and appeal cos many are unlawfully convicted. These guys need to be exposed left, right and centre. They have destroyed peoples lives😔😔
@@barbarapetersmazwide Sis Barbs, I agree with you. A thorough investigation needs to happen. Attorneys need to take those cases pro-bono and help out! Coz ppl could be rotting in jail for nothing!
He was interrogated about this case in the boardroom. The checking of gold tooth, tattoos, measurements, meaning Gininda was there. Mangena confirmed this initially and later changed his tune.
Morning family, judge Ratha is disappointing me every day by showing his true reflection on this case, he is biased, favours brigadier Gininda when he is asked by the defence and this advocate Baloyi is a devil himself "ninesono madoda and you will never have peace in lives"
Justice or otherwise??? What happened to adv. Teffo, did he allegedly commit schedule 6 offenses or something less??? Why refuse him bail and the presiding judge over his matters, mum??? The guilty are afraid 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Good morning family I'm proud of the defence they are doing a great job they are tired of this old man who acts like a bully in school we can see what is his agenda viva defence
If all the judges are this biased then there is no justice in South Africa, hoping that the Department of Justice will do something after this trial to show they are just and in control, we cannot have a rogue judge presiding over any case if all is about justice. The defense have to be applauded for their tenacity and patience on this case, it has not been easy! There is a high chance Advocate Mngomezulu is working pro-bono in this case!
Sho. And the state is relying on these so called confessions. Let's hope the judge will do what he said that they might change their acceptance was not final
Yes I said so, someone who will be able to show that THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION DONE HERE is Nxumalo ❤. He is still on good truck for me. " I had dealt with that my lord" he used the same line in trial within trail on Mshololo trying to run answering some questions, and the judge " Miss Mshololo the witness has answered that". Not again he is been saying that through out Mnisi and he is doing it on Nxumalo thinking the judge will be there for him, now is time to answer, not to run away from the questions. NXUMALO 🎉🎉❤❤❤
Morning family❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 let us celebrate our winning state is lost .even though we know the judge already made his Judgement to sentence these innocent brothers
Given that on the 17th June Ntanzi was interrogated in the boardroom about this case surely Gininda would be there as the lead investigator. So Mangena told the truth but was made to change his earlier assertion. Gininda himself confirmed that he had to be there on the 18th to confirm the alibi since he was the lead investigator.
Family, the Black Mamba brought something abt the 'confessions ',that they're inadmissible in court if made by a suspect abt others. Did i hear that correctly? If yes,am happy cos that means the state now relies on Zungu's weak statement only 😅
Now after removing him they alleged that he appointed himself to this case how possible is that. And again knowing that he had many outstanding judgements what did they give him this case?
Good morning my favourites, you are doing a great job, the beans are starting to spill, Black Mamba will you crawl out of the bus Mr Talk Too much is throwing you under, 😳😳
Why did Adv Mnisi and the rest fail to produce the yellow pages S205...? The day before they said that they didn't bring it along but why not bring it yesterday to support Mnisi's argument? They could've put Baloyi in his place.
They were given by Baloyi , who covered himself by saying it was only disclosed in the Cleveland case and not this one. The state was selective on the pages of the 205 they admitted to having but were court because Pinky didn’t stick to their lying script and told the truth 🤣🤣
Mshololo is going to have fun with Gininda 😂 Nxumalo made Gininda look like a rookie. Watch Mshololo scrutinise Gininda’s credentials and prove that the so called “Cold Case Unit” is nothing but something he made up. 2 points I would like to see Mshololo deal with. 1. Gininda conceded that he was reporting to his senior Perumal when they went to the Telkom towers to meet the minister… was Gininda head of the cold case unit at this point, if so how did he surpass his senior in getting that position. If the cold case unit was real, it’s really interesting how a junior would head the entire unit when he has superior/senior “Brigadier Tony Perumal” that he reports to. 2. When did he become head of the cold case unit, because when asked questions about this case he becomes evasive and says he was reporting to someone superior to him “Brigadier Tony Perumal”, Gininda was only a Lieutenant Colonel.
Yea it was Mangena that admitted Brig was there , Mngo even repeated to clarify he still sed he was there, than after that Baloyi stood up? N the judge sed”u want to do correction?” Like he already knew, that was when I confirmed this case was a 🎪
Now he is running away from it. That cold case unit doesn’t exist, hence why he can’t even tell us what his subordinates were investigating- no specifics about Ntanzi’s other cases
Zamokuhle told his story in (carte blanche) it's so sad what happened to him lots similarities to Ntanzi. That why had no doubt Ntanzi is the Nani target in this case
We just hope that Gwabini and Makhosonke are safe where they are .... it is funny that statements are the ones speaking on behalf of warm bodies who are still alive ... Indeed it is a critical question Ano and Emily ....The more I think about it these statements were written by the same person ..... I think the state is afraid of what happened with the other witness who did a turn around and denied that Ntanzi said he killed Senzo but was told he killed Senzo .... I think that awakened the state hence the reluctance to call the so-called witnesses
Section 205's on them can only be applied if the state can be indicted as the suspects of some sort of criminal irregularity. Only Criminal investigation has to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt; and when it comes to civil or departmental matters, balance of probabilities is sought
Mshefana and sfudla once sang a song" washa umlilo!washa umlilo bazoydela inkani!" Kuyasha ngempela kuleyacourt Emily and Mr Ano uBaloi noRatha no Gininda bayasha they cooked kwasha ukudla and sekusha nabo manje I feel sorry for this accused
That is why I'm saying my kids will never marry a person who is not a Xhosa because people from Gauteng have this resentment towards amaXhosa. I am a Xhosa straight from university. i got a job in one of the government departments in Gauteng. i never bribed anyone to get the job. No man paid for me to be here. I came here as an intern. I'm in management now, and no one did a favor for me, but what i studied has landed me where I am. I wish ingangena entloko yakho sirhama
This old man mara what is he thinking when sitting at home.....biased at core. O tswarisa di palpitations shuu. He is not asking right questions only one sided. He is short of going and kiss 💋 Gininda
This case is an isiwishiwishi nje, but at least something good will come out of it, lophela sesiwazi umthetho and if we'd registered with Unisa nathi like Gininda,we'd have passed LLB with flying colours 😂😅😅😅
The purpose of documenting the engagement or interview with the suspect, it is so that the suspect can read and agree with the contents before signing; because the signature means that I agree with what is written and that you're saying it is the best of your knowledge.
And also for continuity so that other Police and NPA clear evidence to follow up on. If the previous investigators hadn’t documented everything how was he Gininda going to fill in the gaps about what they had looked at earlier
@@auntieckmoyo3947I don't think Ghininda followed anything from the previous investigation, he just picked his targets from taxi violence mixed with hearsay there and there "Allegedly "
Morning guys no it's ntanzi mention that the was man with cross belt with guninda and mogane he didn't know the guy then mangena testify that he was the to take ntanzis measurements
The case is not going anywhere. Guninda is just there for fun he does not answer any 9f of the questions asked. His presence is less useful. Mngo would have told him you are a useless witness you are not going to help this court. He explains lots of irrelevant information and the judge allows it.
What I love about this case is that it proves that over the years this investigative unit, prosecution and the judge have got away with murder, it proves how much they did not do investigations but got convictions. They are so lame such that even in such a high profile case no investigation was done but the accused were hand-picked to fit the crime, its a blessing in disguise that this case was given so much attention, I can imagine what could have happened had this case happened under wraps! In a way these guys are not brilliant minds! You guys at Mzansi Reality can even do a better job than them!
As much as we are painfully subjected to drivel on a daily basis, the attention that this case got was a blessing in disguise. It will also help those who are currently serving prison sentences for crimes they did not commit. Many cases will be re-opened and the hand of the enemy will be exposed wholly. At the moment we are only seeing the tip of his fingers. Hold the line family. More is coming.
In that saying am still wondering what happened to Gininda, what was consequences of Judge finding that the confession was made under duress in Krejcir case. What was the outcome in him?
Now the crook judge is raising an electricity thing with SABC
He wants to shut us out now
Yesterday I raised my fear on Nxumalo not pressing on and making follow ups on his questions but yes I can say that he made us happy. He didn't allow to be distracted. He pushed to have his question answered
Good Morning 🌅fam of M Reality.. Big S/O to Black Mamba Mr Mxumalo he dig expose Gininda
Keep the good work guys you are the best Mzansi reality show 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
If this judge has always been this way over the course of his career young minds need to follow up on all his cases and sue!
I agree with you fully! The Jeppe Massacre trial is an interesting one. Look it up.
Allegedly he once sentenced someone fr murder wthout a murder-charg n later changd his ruling😮😮
Ga a theeletse Ratha interferes with the defence only but not the state
All those arrested by Gininda and Baloyi need to get good lawyers to look into their convictions and appeal cos many are unlawfully convicted. These guys need to be exposed left, right and centre. They have destroyed peoples lives😔😔
@@barbarapetersmazwide Sis Barbs, I agree with you. A thorough investigation needs to happen. Attorneys need to take those cases pro-bono and help out! Coz ppl could be rotting in jail for nothing!
And Mr Ano "And my Lord I dealt with this before😂😂😂😂😂
🎉🎉🎉👋👋💪💪💪the winning team restoring hope 🎉🎉 justice smelling.
Black Mamba, is really sick and tired of the state 🎉🎉🎉
I salute you slow poison 🙏🙏🙏
He is gatvol. The looks of disgust on his face when Mnisi was cross-examining this 'thing' said it all.
Its a pity that the NPA is run by people who have no shame (allegedly)! Heads were supposed roll after this "prosecution-driven case"
Exactly but unfortunately nothing will happen. Baloyi is too involved in this case
They are all compromised. Those that are not, fear for their lives and careers. So they are quiet and complicit.
He was interrogated about this case in the boardroom. The checking of gold tooth, tattoos, measurements, meaning Gininda was there. Mangena confirmed this initially and later changed his tune.
Remember the same judge Ratha once pleaded with the masses that they should support the state the same way he is supporting the state
Siyabonga ku adv Nxumalo ukuphakamisa izinga.
They knew about the gun in Cleavland case but not the 205, strange
Morning family, judge Ratha is disappointing me every day by showing his true reflection on this case, he is biased, favours brigadier Gininda when he is asked by the defence and this advocate Baloyi is a devil himself "ninesono madoda and you will never have peace in lives"
Justice or otherwise??? What happened to adv. Teffo, did he allegedly commit schedule 6 offenses or something less??? Why refuse him bail and the presiding judge over his matters, mum??? The guilty are afraid 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Good morning family I'm proud of the defence they are doing a great job they are tired of this old man who acts like a bully in school we can see what is his agenda viva defence
If all the judges are this biased then there is no justice in South Africa, hoping that the Department of Justice will do something after this trial to show they are just and in control, we cannot have a rogue judge presiding over any case if all is about justice. The defense have to be applauded for their tenacity and patience on this case, it has not been easy! There is a high chance Advocate Mngomezulu is working pro-bono in this case!
It is a mess and we are the laughing stock of the world. We are an example of what not to do. Sies!
Sanibonani finally who norminate Gininda to investigate this case
Was it not former Commissioner Khehla Sthole
It's Khehla Sthole
Morning guys thank you very much for your efforts i and we really appreciate it 💟💟💟💟🙏🏽 God bless you guys🎉
I agree with you Mr Ano judge Maumela was far better than this one. I don't think he would have accepted the confessions.
I concur
That's why he was removed
@@NthatiMotsabimaybe you don't understand their roles
Sho. And the state is relying on these so called confessions. Let's hope the judge will do what he said that they might change their acceptance was not final
Eish. And I wonder how is his case going maybe Sr Emily and Mr Ano will update us.
Yes I said so, someone who will be able to show that THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION DONE HERE is Nxumalo ❤. He is still on good truck for me. " I had dealt with that my lord" he used the same line in trial within trail on Mshololo trying to run answering some questions, and the judge " Miss Mshololo the witness has answered that". Not again he is been saying that through out Mnisi and he is doing it on Nxumalo thinking the judge will be there for him, now is time to answer, not to run away from the questions. NXUMALO 🎉🎉❤❤❤
@@Hlehle555 Brilliant comment Hle Hle...Brilliant! When are we having a braai in NSW? I love you🥰🥰
@@NCarterMed😂😂😂 After the finalization of this case
@@Hlehle555 We may need to wait 10 years🤣🤣🤣
Morning family❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 let us celebrate our winning state is lost .even though we know the judge already made his Judgement to sentence these innocent brothers
It was mangena who changed that gininda was there during board room, during ntanzi interview at Pretoria North police station.
Given that on the 17th June Ntanzi was interrogated in the boardroom about this case surely Gininda would be there as the lead investigator. So Mangena told the truth but was made to change his earlier assertion. Gininda himself confirmed that he had to be there on the 18th to confirm the alibi since he was the lead investigator.
Family, the Black Mamba brought something abt the 'confessions ',that they're inadmissible in court if made by a suspect abt others. Did i hear that correctly? If yes,am happy cos that means the state now relies on Zungu's weak statement only 😅
Love you guys Soo much ❤ you doing a great job.
Mahumela was beta, sometimes i feel like he was taken out from this case with a reason to make things difficult for this case. My opinion .
Lady getting gt😊
I agree 💯. He would reprimand rude witnesses
Totally agree 💯
Now after removing him they alleged that he appointed himself to this case how possible is that. And again knowing that he had many outstanding judgements what did they give him this case?
Taxas Ranger
Good morning family, we cruising nicely with team defence
Yes Apsolom' s statement has the words "subsequent to that" funny how Gininda had to read it, you could just hear it was him writing it "Allegedly"
You wonder where Absalom would have heard the word "subsequent" in the valleys of Natal...YERRRR...This guys is rogue maan..
It’s because Gininda did the translation himself and commissioned said statement, kunzima
Hi Mr Ano and Emily. I am so happy with what Zithulele is doing in the court
Good morning my favourites, you are doing a great job, the beans are starting to spill, Black Mamba will you crawl out of the bus Mr Talk Too much is throwing you under, 😳😳
Judges shouldn't be "trying" to be neutral
They must be neutral.that is why our justice is failing
This case started at the Zungu's . Father, Son, abo Mzala etc.
I think I have dealt with this part😂😂😂
True Caltonville is in Gauteng
Why did Adv Mnisi and the rest fail to produce the yellow pages S205...? The day before they said that they didn't bring it along but why not bring it yesterday to support Mnisi's argument? They could've put Baloyi in his place.
M thinking maybe someone else gave it to them
Does that change accused number 3 movement 😂😂😂😂😂
@@reginahmutewera5563 It doesn't my Queen.
@@reginahmutewera5563 Nope.
I'm saying it was going to put another egg on Baloyi's face.
They were given by Baloyi , who covered himself by saying it was only disclosed in the Cleveland case and not this one. The state was selective on the pages of the 205 they admitted to having but were court because Pinky didn’t stick to their lying script and told the truth 🤣🤣
No one is safe around Gininda he is a loose cannon 😂😂😂😂
Hello family eey bafethu le case ishoda ngo Judge nje qha cos Rhata is a mess 🙆
Mshololo is going to have fun with Gininda 😂 Nxumalo made Gininda look like a rookie. Watch Mshololo scrutinise Gininda’s credentials and prove that the so called “Cold Case Unit” is nothing but something he made up.
2 points I would like to see Mshololo deal with.
1. Gininda conceded that he was reporting to his senior Perumal when they went to the Telkom towers to meet the minister… was Gininda head of the cold case unit at this point, if so how did he surpass his senior in getting that position. If the cold case unit was real, it’s really interesting how a junior would head the entire unit when he has superior/senior “Brigadier Tony Perumal” that he reports to.
2. When did he become head of the cold case unit, because when asked questions about this case he becomes evasive and says he was reporting to someone superior to him “Brigadier Tony Perumal”, Gininda was only a Lieutenant Colonel.
It is always the case with self nominated people. Gininda self nominated himself to lead the so called cold case. He has his own agenda.
You mean "cooking case" - 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yea it was Mangena that admitted Brig was there , Mngo even repeated to clarify he still sed he was there, than after that Baloyi stood up? N the judge sed”u want to do correction?” Like he already knew, that was when I confirmed this case was a 🎪
Good morning my family of the court of the public opinion ❤❤❤ 6:51
Remember that it has been said that Gininda is also station commander
Now he is running away from it. That cold case unit doesn’t exist, hence why he can’t even tell us what his subordinates were investigating- no specifics about Ntanzi’s other cases
Maumela was far better than this bias judge .i wish this case can now go to a break because wow its disgusting
Good morning 🌞
Now we know who wrote mapopola a letter 🤭
Greetings family
Standing orders are available to everyone in every police station in the commander's office and are accessible
The black James Bond!?
Morning gang 🎉
Mr Ano and Emily, Tumelo pointed out Accused No. 2.
Zamokuhle told his story in (carte blanche) it's so sad what happened to him lots similarities to Ntanzi. That why had no doubt Ntanzi is the Nani target in this case
Good morning family
We just hope that Gwabini and Makhosonke are safe where they are .... it is funny that statements are the ones speaking on behalf of warm bodies who are still alive ... Indeed it is a critical question Ano and Emily ....The more I think about it these statements were written by the same person ..... I think the state is afraid of what happened with the other witness who did a turn around and denied that Ntanzi said he killed Senzo but was told he killed Senzo .... I think that awakened the state hence the reluctance to call the so-called witnesses
the contents of those different warning statements must contain same object...can be different format but contents must be the same
How sad that a very sad case was turned into a judging, gossiping and insulting business by "experts" .
Tumelo Pointed at Accuse 2 and he said ngulo engamshaya ngengqindi
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Carltonville is in Gauteng u are right Emily Westonaria
The judge enjoys listening to Gininda
48:48 yey Mr Ano,iyamangaza hey
No we cannot shy away from the fact that the judge is soo bias , and his attitude towards the defense is soo ridiculous.
This case kuyadlalwa ngathi ngempela
They are playing themselves like fiddles. They think they are fooling us but they are only playing themselves.
Mthethwa said the first call he received said there was a shooting at vosloorus, and uncle said so during their arrival
1:21:00 BLACKLIST
Tumelo pointed out Ntanzi who was wearing a green golfer that day
Morning family
You know that one of the judge being on the other side of these proceedongs is very concerning
Section 205's on them can only be applied if the state can be indicted as the suspects of some sort of criminal irregularity. Only Criminal investigation has to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt; and when it comes to civil or departmental matters, balance of probabilities is sought
Good morning family please press the like button 😊
Mshefana and sfudla once sang a song" washa umlilo!washa umlilo bazoydela inkani!" Kuyasha ngempela kuleyacourt Emily and Mr Ano uBaloi noRatha no Gininda bayasha they cooked kwasha ukudla and sekusha nabo manje I feel sorry for this accused
The Series Mr Anonymous was talking about is a Black List yeah
Gininda is a snitch... O fisa batho ko mmerekong for promotions
YSL case, Not guilty verdict
Mina Ngiyatibongela bafe2
I use to think xhosa people can defends but yooh Gininda?, ixoki shame
Angenaphi amaXhosa apha wena
Hayi nathi singamaXhosa so yikaka yantoni le uyibhale apha ngathi fokof maan
@@Nhozanhozaendaweni yoba amamele usis Emily no Mr Ano uxolele ukuqala uchuku caba akonwabi endaweni engenachuku ufuna i attention ngamaXhosa,uzomosha apha nxx.
@@phumezakhonzeka9570makangasiqheli ikaka
That is why I'm saying my kids will never marry a person who is not a Xhosa because people from Gauteng have this resentment towards amaXhosa. I am a Xhosa straight from university. i got a job in one of the government departments in Gauteng. i never bribed anyone to get the job. No man paid for me to be here. I came here as an intern. I'm in management now, and no one did a favor for me, but what i studied has landed me where I am. I wish ingangena entloko yakho sirhama
This old man mara what is he thinking when sitting at home.....biased at core. O tswarisa di palpitations shuu. He is not asking right questions only one sided. He is short of going and kiss 💋 Gininda
Mase Graaf
This case is an isiwishiwishi nje, but at least something good will come out of it, lophela sesiwazi umthetho and if we'd registered with Unisa nathi like Gininda,we'd have passed LLB with flying colours 😂😅😅😅
The purpose of documenting the engagement or interview with the suspect, it is so that the suspect can read and agree with the contents before signing; because the signature means that I agree with what is written and that you're saying it is the best of your knowledge.
And also for continuity so that other Police and NPA clear evidence to follow up on. If the previous investigators hadn’t documented everything how was he Gininda going to fill in the gaps about what they had looked at earlier
@@auntieckmoyo3947I don't think Ghininda followed anything from the previous investigation, he just picked his targets from taxi violence mixed with hearsay there and there "Allegedly "
Morning la familia ei ratha man ratha damn
BLACKLIST😂😂😂
Morning guys no it's ntanzi mention that the was man with cross belt with guninda and mogane he didn't know the guy then mangena testify that he was the to take ntanzis measurements
Kulokhu okunye akusiye UGininda othi ubengekho uMohhano owathi wayengekho yena kuMaphisa ngathi kwakubhekwa amagazi futhi
The case is not going anywhere. Guninda is just there for fun he does not answer any 9f of the questions asked. His presence is less useful. Mngo would have told him you are a useless witness you are not going to help this court. He explains lots of irrelevant information and the judge allows it.
Sanibonani Mzansi