I actually did some pretty deep experimentation of a Yanagi PEN build after getting Grace’s signature W-Engine from a standard banner pull and was pretty shocked (buh dum tsh 🥁) at how much higher her damage was when stacked. With 92% PEN Ratio (W-Engine, Disc Drive, Rina’s buff and Yanagi’s Self buff) and about 45 PEN, it was about almost at 40% damage difference from just trying to stack ATK, electric damage and anomaly damage. Gets even better having Caesar’s buffs on top of all that PEN.
Christmas came early. Never thought I would be this excited to see a video on a topic called "PEN" in a game called "ZZZ". We are living in interesting times.
@@RubescentDragon I used my selectable agent on Rina. She's so worth it if you have Yanagi or Grace. Plus getting her M1 is probably the highest priority pull in the standard banner. Doubles her buff duration.
@@judgeude ya I used my selectable on Lycaon as I got his weapon as my 2nd general banner S rank and I had Ellen. I did eventually get Lycaon dupes but that wasn't until like late 1.2 early 1.3 so I don't regret it. But ya still need Rina Grace and Neko game gave me their weapons but not them T-T
I've been using Yanagi with Pen Ratio and Rina and I was surprised at how much of a dmg difference it was over Caesar. Yanagi/Seth/RinaM1 has been my favorite team for her. Disorder is really great but I just like the hypercarry for her
@KeiLafrangy I was using 2p puffer 4p chaos but since I'm mostly using her for mono electric i switched to 2p chaos 4p thunder metal and that's doing a bit more dmg and is more consistent. D4 is anomoly pro., D5 is Pen Ratio, and D6 was anomaly Mastery but I've been trying energy and I'm honestly liking it more. when actually playing the anomaly Mastery made almost no difference in gameplay but I really notice the extra Ex engery spam from Regen
@keyqui05 for Yanagi if you're using a disorder team 4p Choas and for 2p it can be thunder metal, puffer electro or freedom blues. It's kinda whatever you feel you need. For a mono electric team 4p thunder metal and 2p chaos or freedom. Disk 4 use anomaly proficiency, disk 5 Pen Ratio or Electric DMG and disk 6 can be anomaly Mastery or Energy Regen. I personally prefer the Enery Regen since i got her W engine
Doing damage calcs for Billy I found his best disc to always be PEN as well. Considering I usually run him with Caesar (big ATK boost) and have him at M6 (he’s getting plenty of DMG% between his core passive and his Movements).
Hey there! I've been working way too much on some other things that I completely forgot to cover 1.3 content. But fear not because Lighter and other units will get covered soon! This one is a really quick video, but hopefully it can help some players looking for more info on PEN after Yanagi's Release. See ya! ❤
New and first Archon... I mean void hunter is Anomaly. And I have Grace's W-Engine - Fusion Compiler - with 24% Pen ratio. And it has 12% ATK and some Anomaly Proficiency procs. Not leveled yet, considering signature W-Engine (might be first one ever).
Been using a 2-piece pen set on all my DPS units ever since getting a M1W2 Rina...which came extremely early. With Miyabi in mind, it might be better to build her with pen even though I think we are getting a limited S rank ice support agent. It depends on what the new support will offer, but if she brings pen, then I think Rina will be cooked in a Miyabi comp.
I just use wtv has the best substats. Slot 5 is too difficult to get the perfect piece unless you craft it. Elemental dmg, atk %, or pen. Whichever has the best subs, I'll use. If I have 2 with the same subs, then I'll choose.
I don't think PEN is the best stat in game but I think if you're playing a team pairing Rina with a damage dealer then PEN stacking is the way to go. I built Yanagi with atk focus and sig weapon. I built a second set of disks for PEN and anomaly focus and Fusion Compiler as weapon. As long as I paired the PEN Yanagi with Rina she was actually more comfy than signature build Yanagi. My Rina on Slice of Time let Yanagi ult twice in a fight she normally only got to once and with 75% + in combat PEN she actually cleared a little faster, while being more locked into the single team. TLDR; PEN saturation is crazy strong if you can swing it, otherwise stack more relevant stats
hint: check the def (numerical) vs dmg reduction% table and how they increase dmg% reduction exponentialy alot video in bilibili has shown when u going dps with pen% disc and rina buff the final dmg is "alot" stronger than dmg% disc while im seriusly dont know how they got the def vs dmg reduction% table from additionaly the effect best shown on elite / boss mob only
I always wondered why M6 Ellen have PEN buff, which means at that point she basically synergies more with Rina rather than Soukaku, huh. (Do not fret I only have her M0 😂)
Funny enough, ever since 1.1 some whales/speedrunners have been using Rina instead of Soukaku, because Rina takes way less field time and it allows faster clears. Soukaku is still the best one in terms of raw damage, but when you're clearing content in less than 30s, losing 3s to set-up Soukaku's buffs is A LOT of time.
Should be around 10% worse than her sig, so I wouldn't call it "a little worse" Reason is her sig provides a unique 1.2x multiplier for disorder, which also includes polarity disorder
All of my dps aside from Jane run on 32% Pen ratio (2pcs Puffer Electro and 5th slot Pen disc). Work wonder if you know how to farm for good sub-stat. Pen is a niche stat but knows how to use it and it goes crazy. Plus with the new tower levels and enemy defense are getting jacked, the element dmg bonus disc just doesn’t hit the same for me anymore I’m aiming for 4pcs thunder metal and 2 puffer for my yanagi when I farm the right disc to get over 300 AP without freedom blue or Chaos jazz
Yanagi wants as much AP as she can tbh, I wouldn't recommend going for Puffer, 30 AP is a lot and 300 is nowhere near "enough" to saturate AP Also, tower mode has no DEF increase as far as I know, only HP/Daze/ATK
@@AceBountyHunterRexFor getting the right sub stats, nothing. It is just luck. For the right substat rolls, I've seen a theory about being able to manipulate that, but I would take it with a grain of salt
I still don't feel like chaos jazz is the best set for Yanagi I mean Yeah a little bit more of anomaly and a little bit more electro damage............ But at what moment does she change to another team member and her Ex Skill does continue to hit the enemy?
You can still trigger it when swapping through units, but I agree, it feels weird to use an off-field set with Yanagi, who stays on the field. I didn't even include the EX SA/Assist DMG increase when running calculations for her. But it's still the best option for now, unless you're running mono electro, which in this case Thunder Metal 4pc fits better.
PEN% ignores a % of the enemy DEF, Flat PEN ignores a Flat value from the enemy DEF. PEN%/DEF Shred comes first, then Flat PEN is applied on the remaining DEF. So for example, you have 30% PEN and 20 Flat PEN, against a 1000 DEF enemy: 1000 - 30% = 700 DEF 700 - 20 = 680 DEF That's why Flat PEN is always "bad", it works against small enemies, but against bosses it's almost useless.
I play yanagi, ceasar, rina. And yes. because of core skill of rina that it extends the duration of shock and it gives a certain percentage of pen which max at 30%. And my pen% goes up to roughly 60%. It goes up to 60% because of w-engine of grace (fusion compiler) which gives me a 21% pen and my disc5 of 24% pen. Plus the passive of yanagi that gives you a 10% pen.
Pen% is better on electric agents because the support that provides pen% (Rina) not only happens to be Electric, but also buffs electric damage specifically. Yanagi and Grace get to double dip further because they get extra mileage from Rina's extended shock duration, and they both get to run Fusion Compiler for extra Pen%. Yanagi goes above and beyond Grace because her polarity disorder directly benefits from the extended shock, and she also has free 10% pen baked in.
@@done_6929 Don’t forget that Rina can’t get her max +30% PEN ratio. The highest you can get is +29.6% and that’s with her signature weapon, disc 5 PEN, max core skill, and puffer electro combined. The devs had a huge oversight with Rina’s passive and it takes so much investment just to not even get her maximum buff.
Maybe english isn't your first language, but he doesn't speak fast at all. You can control the playback speed of your own video by selecting the gear icon and bumping to .75.
I actually did some pretty deep experimentation of a Yanagi PEN build after getting Grace’s signature W-Engine from a standard banner pull and was pretty shocked (buh dum tsh 🥁) at how much higher her damage was when stacked. With 92% PEN Ratio (W-Engine, Disc Drive, Rina’s buff and Yanagi’s Self buff) and about 45 PEN, it was about almost at 40% damage difference from just trying to stack ATK, electric damage and anomaly damage. Gets even better having Caesar’s buffs on top of all that PEN.
If u use Rina, use Pen disk on the dps, it's more damage. It's that simple.
2 or 4 PEN set on DPS ? i have yanagi and rina
@@keyqui05 2piece
No Rina, no PEN. Got it
Christmas came early. Never thought I would be this excited to see a video on a topic called "PEN" in a game called "ZZZ". We are living in interesting times.
I know that it's not a common player thing. But just so for awareness sake C2 Burnice also provides a continuous 20% pen ratio team bonus
Now if the game will ever drop me a rina I'd love to see how well 50% pen ratio feels doing a Rina/Burnice(C2 which I have)/yanagi setup
@@RubescentDragon I used my selectable agent on Rina. She's so worth it if you have Yanagi or Grace. Plus getting her M1 is probably the highest priority pull in the standard banner. Doubles her buff duration.
@@judgeude ya I used my selectable on Lycaon as I got his weapon as my 2nd general banner S rank and I had Ellen. I did eventually get Lycaon dupes but that wasn't until like late 1.2 early 1.3 so I don't regret it. But ya still need Rina Grace and Neko game gave me their weapons but not them T-T
I've been using Yanagi with Pen Ratio and Rina and I was surprised at how much of a dmg difference it was over Caesar. Yanagi/Seth/RinaM1 has been my favorite team for her. Disorder is really great but I just like the hypercarry for her
Question about this comp, what disc set on yanagi?
@KeiLafrangy I was using 2p puffer 4p chaos but since I'm mostly using her for mono electric i switched to 2p chaos 4p thunder metal and that's doing a bit more dmg and is more consistent. D4 is anomoly pro., D5 is Pen Ratio, and D6 was anomaly Mastery but I've been trying energy and I'm honestly liking it more. when actually playing the anomaly Mastery made almost no difference in gameplay but I really notice the extra Ex engery spam from Regen
Hi im Pretty new to the game, what set do you use for them ?
@keyqui05 for Yanagi if you're using a disorder team 4p Choas and for 2p it can be thunder metal, puffer electro or freedom blues. It's kinda whatever you feel you need. For a mono electric team 4p thunder metal and 2p chaos or freedom. Disk 4 use anomaly proficiency, disk 5 Pen Ratio or Electric DMG and disk 6 can be anomaly Mastery or Energy Regen. I personally prefer the Enery Regen since i got her W engine
Doing damage calcs for Billy I found his best disc to always be PEN as well. Considering I usually run him with Caesar (big ATK boost) and have him at M6 (he’s getting plenty of DMG% between his core passive and his Movements).
Hey there! I've been working way too much on some other things that I completely forgot to cover 1.3 content. But fear not because Lighter and other units will get covered soon!
This one is a really quick video, but hopefully it can help some players looking for more info on PEN after Yanagi's Release. See ya! ❤
tbh pen disc also feels better to use now with Lighter, he already provides huge elemental damage anyway.
New and first Archon... I mean void hunter is Anomaly. And I have Grace's W-Engine - Fusion Compiler - with 24% Pen ratio. And it has 12% ATK and some Anomaly Proficiency procs. Not leveled yet, considering signature W-Engine (might be first one ever).
Ive gotten Rina 3 times on standard banner, but never had a party that could use her until Yanagi dropped.
Well she's quite a general support overall so she can be used on tons of teams
The goat back at it
can I play TFT now please
i have been waiting for this video
Been using a 2-piece pen set on all my DPS units ever since getting a M1W2 Rina...which came extremely early.
With Miyabi in mind, it might be better to build her with pen even though I think we are getting a limited S rank ice support agent. It depends on what the new support will offer, but if she brings pen, then I think Rina will be cooked in a Miyabi comp.
Thanks for the video! RINA IS THE GOAT!
6:04 so real
PEN stat is best stat
I just use wtv has the best substats. Slot 5 is too difficult to get the perfect piece unless you craft it.
Elemental dmg, atk %, or pen. Whichever has the best subs, I'll use. If I have 2 with the same subs, then I'll choose.
It would be cool if they make pen also affect other types of defense, like anomaly resistance or element resistances
I don't think PEN is the best stat in game but I think if you're playing a team pairing Rina with a damage dealer then PEN stacking is the way to go. I built Yanagi with atk focus and sig weapon. I built a second set of disks for PEN and anomaly focus and Fusion Compiler as weapon. As long as I paired the PEN Yanagi with Rina she was actually more comfy than signature build Yanagi. My Rina on Slice of Time let Yanagi ult twice in a fight she normally only got to once and with 75% + in combat PEN she actually cleared a little faster, while being more locked into the single team.
TLDR; PEN saturation is crazy strong if you can swing it, otherwise stack more relevant stats
I'm using 4pc Puffer Electro on my Soldier 11 with PEN Ratio main stat on disk 5 since day 1. I'll say she's cracked 😅
I got Rina M1, Burnice and Yanagi
I got fusion compiler twice from the standard banner
Yeah I think the game is telling me to build PEN ratio...
hint: check the def (numerical) vs dmg reduction% table and how they increase dmg% reduction exponentialy
alot video in bilibili has shown when u going dps with pen% disc and rina buff the final dmg is "alot" stronger than dmg% disc
while im seriusly dont know how they got the def vs dmg reduction% table from
additionaly the effect best shown on elite / boss mob only
Tldw: only if you have m1 rina.
until Hoyo adds "save build" and "load build" option, that will automatically rip and swap discs/relics between characters.
No Penetraction for me :v
I always wondered why M6 Ellen have PEN buff, which means at that point she basically synergies more with Rina rather than Soukaku, huh. (Do not fret I only have her M0 😂)
Funny enough, ever since 1.1 some whales/speedrunners have been using Rina instead of Soukaku, because Rina takes way less field time and it allows faster clears.
Soukaku is still the best one in terms of raw damage, but when you're clearing content in less than 30s, losing 3s to set-up Soukaku's buffs is A LOT of time.
I heard Yanagi with Fusion+M1 Rina 100% pen ratio stack is only a little worse than her signature W engine? It is true?
Should be around 10% worse than her sig, so I wouldn't call it "a little worse"
Reason is her sig provides a unique 1.2x multiplier for disorder, which also includes polarity disorder
All of my dps aside from Jane run on 32% Pen ratio (2pcs Puffer Electro and 5th slot Pen disc). Work wonder if you know how to farm for good sub-stat. Pen is a niche stat but knows how to use it and it goes crazy. Plus with the new tower levels and enemy defense are getting jacked, the element dmg bonus disc just doesn’t hit the same for me anymore
I’m aiming for 4pcs thunder metal and 2 puffer for my yanagi when I farm the right disc to get over 300 AP without freedom blue or Chaos jazz
Yanagi wants as much AP as she can tbh, I wouldn't recommend going for Puffer, 30 AP is a lot and 300 is nowhere near "enough" to saturate AP
Also, tower mode has no DEF increase as far as I know, only HP/Daze/ATK
What exactly does one need to know in order to farm good sub stats? What strategy is there to rng?
@@AceBountyHunterRexFor getting the right sub stats, nothing. It is just luck.
For the right substat rolls, I've seen a theory about being able to manipulate that, but I would take it with a grain of salt
They should change and add PEN substats to PEN Ratio, It made me so confuse.
What abou penetration in sub-stats does it only work if you have a pen disc or rina?
Flat PEN is as bad as Flat ATK. Even with Rina/some PEN, it's always worse then ATK% and AP/Crit
I still don't feel like chaos jazz is the best set for Yanagi
I mean
Yeah a little bit more of anomaly and a little bit more electro damage............
But at what moment does she change to another team member and her Ex Skill does continue to hit the enemy?
You can still trigger it when swapping through units, but I agree, it feels weird to use an off-field set with Yanagi, who stays on the field. I didn't even include the EX SA/Assist DMG increase when running calculations for her.
But it's still the best option for now, unless you're running mono electro, which in this case Thunder Metal 4pc fits better.
Please do this with number
i only have a m0 Rina with no fusion cpmpiler..is it still the best to go pen on yanagi?
DMG is probably better, Rina alone isn't enough to justify stacking PEN unless you're running Caesar with her Signature W-Engine
@okMuzzy yeah my team is burnice and Rina/Lucy atm ..I guess I'll stick to lucy
Okay now what’s the different between PEN ratio and PEN? I’m totally confused about this 😂
PEN% ignores a % of the enemy DEF, Flat PEN ignores a Flat value from the enemy DEF. PEN%/DEF Shred comes first, then Flat PEN is applied on the remaining DEF.
So for example, you have 30% PEN and 20 Flat PEN, against a 1000 DEF enemy:
1000 - 30% = 700 DEF
700 - 20 = 680 DEF
That's why Flat PEN is always "bad", it works against small enemies, but against bosses it's almost useless.
@ ah i see, i always thought flat PEN contribute to PEN%, now i know. Then it sucks only engine & disk 5 can increase the % 😤
@kirrkgk yep. Essentially
Sub stat pen = bad,better to get rolls into Ap>atk%.
Pen % disk 5 = good.
And that's about it.
@@kirrkgkand rina core passive, that's why her at m1/sig engine is stupid good. Over 30% pen % and increased uptime on it.
@@kirrkgkoh and the 2p disk set increase it by 8% and yanagi has 10% included in her kit via her stance buffs.
So... Is Rina good?
Yes
U just forget to mention the lv defense meter enemys lv 70 u need pen to give dmg
Getting good substats is impossible tho 💀
Wait so does this mean Rina is only that good with Yanagi or did I misinterpret everything
I play yanagi, ceasar, rina. And yes. because of core skill of rina that it extends the duration of shock and it gives a certain percentage of pen which max at 30%. And my pen% goes up to roughly 60%. It goes up to 60% because of w-engine of grace (fusion compiler) which gives me a 21% pen and my disc5 of 24% pen. Plus the passive of yanagi that gives you a 10% pen.
Pen% is better on electric agents because the support that provides pen% (Rina) not only happens to be Electric, but also buffs electric damage specifically. Yanagi and Grace get to double dip further because they get extra mileage from Rina's extended shock duration, and they both get to run Fusion Compiler for extra Pen%. Yanagi goes above and beyond Grace because her polarity disorder directly benefits from the extended shock, and she also has free 10% pen baked in.
@@OtakuKeisatsu so a disorder team with Grace and Rina would still be good just not as good with Yanagi and Rina, Got it. Thank you
i use Yanagi, Rina and Nicole
@@done_6929 Don’t forget that Rina can’t get her max +30% PEN ratio. The highest you can get is +29.6% and that’s with her signature weapon, disc 5 PEN, max core skill, and puffer electro combined. The devs had a huge oversight with Rina’s passive and it takes so much investment just to not even get her maximum buff.
Pen was never useless nice ragebait tho
You think ZZZ players know how to read? It's amazing how people think PEN is useless because they don't play end-game content.
I mean I never give a fuck about PEN and I clear Withering Garden now and then
um yea it was never useless but the majority of people and cc always discard pen and tell u to put dmg% or atk%.
thats what he's getting at.
You speak too fast, had to replay few of the parts to get what you said
Maybe english isn't your first language, but he doesn't speak fast at all. You can control the playback speed of your own video by selecting the gear icon and bumping to .75.