When I was in high school a girl in my youth group got pregnant and she had to stand up in front of the church and apologize. Not the boy...just the girl.
Like I don't wanna be disrespectful to "normal" christians but damn this is cult, they think they're being saved but if you compare the good to harm it does...
Ugh, I always hate when people blame only the girl or only the boy. Unless it was rape, it is their shared fault. Neither of them made sure to take precautions to avoid pregnancy.
@@nataliaborys1554 I think it's fault of the church. These people don't educate them about this topic property, also why tf would they make them apologize. These people are weird af
My first time was actually in the church, because that was basically the only place me and my girlfriend were allowed to see each other. When the parents found out, they told the pastor who sat me down and told me I was a pervert and no longer allowed to play in the church band, and basically my whole family got kicked out of the church. But, my family had to get up and say we were stepping down from our positions because "god is calling us elsewhere."
Imagine obsessing over your child's future sex life. Like not with concern over consent or healthy relationships, but just being utterly torn over the idea that your child might have sex before 30.
Aside from safety, I think it's highly inappropriate and creepy to get involved and stick your nose in your child's sex life. And "inappropriate" is not a word I use often, I usually loathe this word.
I was approached by a girl that I was not into, at all, who said that "god" told her that we were going to marry, which I knew was not going to happen. That should've been the first step of me realizing people are making crap up when they "hear from god." Took another 10 years to get it.
@@anniejuan1817 It's really not though. Matthew 5 Jesus goes as far as to say that even thr thought of sex outside of marriage is the same as committing the act then explicitly claims that it's worthy of eternal punishment in hell. Scripture sets up a paradoxical situation where you are always sinning and dirty, but always forgiven. Then simultaneously saying that if you show your belief with works then you might just be a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's a guilt to forgiveness cycle that is perpetual & essentially guarantees that anyone who takes it seriously (it's different if a person develops cognitive dissonance & ignores the text) will basically be constantly evaluating their guilt. I've seen this cycle destroy lives over time.
When I was around 8/9 I got the “piece of gum” talk from an adult in my church, and the whole bit about how sexual assault isn’t the man’s fault. Later that year I was assaulted (as an 8 year old) and blamed myself fully for it even until recently, and thought that my partner wouldn’t want anything to do with me because I was “used”.
I've been wondering for a few years why cults like the Institute in Basic Life Principles / Gothardists or the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists don't have any interest in preventing crimes like that. Until some of those purity culture based sects start saying something for themselves, I can only presume the church aristocracies are motivated by malevolence and a desire to see innocent people, specifically women and children, suffer as miserably as possible, and a disgusting compulsion to kick people while they're down.
I was assaulted at 5 I was a whore because I didn’t fight at all. I remember being confused why he wanted to tough me so bad it meant nothing to me. I’ve fantasized about killing people who were my caretakers because they made it ten times worse saying I was off slutty as a toddler
My high school (public) tried to ban a girl from walking in graduation because she was about 4-5 months pregnant. This was 1985. The entire senior class threatened to not show if they didn't allow her to walk. They caved to our pressure thankfully
I remember when my church did it's sex night sort of thing. It was insanely boring except for when the the counsellors tried to do the whole gum chewing thing. They chewed the gum and they were going around the circle asking people if they'd chew it and one kid just asked what flavour it was. So the counsellors just said it was spearmint so the kid just grabbed it out of his hand and started chewing.
THAT was the line my first boyfriend (a fellow member of my baptist church) used when proposing to me. No shit, he actually told me that God had told him to marry me. Since I hadn't gotten any messages from the Almighty, I turned him down and broke up with him not long afterwards.
@@phatchick96 Kudos, you did the right thing. This doesn't have to do with religion, but I grew up with my grandmother's story about how my grandfather put a mirror in front of her and said "this is the woman I'm going to marry". I always found this revolting. Like, don't you think you're being a bit presumptuous, buddy? I would have smashed that mirror on his head.
That happened to my Mom when she was in college. This dude showed up at her door with a cake and told her God said she was supposed to marry him. She shut the door in his face.
Purity culture creates the women men in the manosphere complain about!!! Daddy issues yup purity culture, damaged goods purity culture, all the problems with so called modern women can be traced to PURITY CULTURE
I got broken up with cause the dude I was dating thought he was going to hell. I said see ya! Glad I did, cause I later learned he followed a girl around at the place he worked then told her, "It's ok if everyone thinks you're a whore. God still loves you." Yeah.
And then there was my best friend, who broke up with her boyfriend because she discovered that he was scarily controlling. He came to me me and whined about how SATAN broke them up and GOD wanted them to still be together.
I remember as a teenager in the 80s, picking up a magazine that said it explained sex (because my mother sure as hell wasn't going to talk to me about it) and how all this magazine talked about is how sex is going to hurt the first few times and basically trying to scare young women off of trying it. Also was a very big part of my Catholic upbringing and just culture at the time- abstinence was definitely the buzz word in those days. I definitely had friends that got married very young in order to feel ok about having sex and are now divorced because they figured out in the long run, they didn't really like that person. And plenty of women who didn't learn to enjoy sex until much later in life because of the shame associated with it from when we were younger.
@@nenmaster5218 I love Drew. His videos are solid information and well made. I'm sure you've seen that he regularly has Christians post about how they still enjoy his videos, and that's so important. Him being accessible to so many Christians is encouraging.
I'm a bit younger that you are, but having been a catholic youth minister in the earlier 2010s, I remember phrasing it as chastity. I have absolutely no clue if that was common in other parishes, but I would imagine it is, seeing as it's pretty common in the Catechism. It's always cool to see a fellow former Catholic here lol.
@@myjessicajourney1915 Yeah, but lets not forget that all Channels are different, so its a 'Supplementary'-Issue. Means: Its liike a Puzzle. Limiting yourself ot just Drew would probably be bad (especially, as i would argue, cause he rarely asks the 'harsh questions'.).
@@nenmaster5218 I agree that it's extremely valuable to get a well rounded intake of atheist and sceptic content. And I'm not sure if you're suggesting GMS is all of what I watch, but I'm here talking on this channel. I love Telltale, Paulogia, Jimmy Snow, Jaclyn Glen, Jon Steingard, Heretical Theology, Fundie Friday's and various exvangelical channels here and other social media platforms. I'd recommend all of them.
Lmao. The gum analogy would be super confusing for me, since I would chew through like a pack of gum every other day. I probably would have ended up saying something dumb like "Oh, so I need 16 a day? That's too much marriaging."
I “made a commitment” to “sexual purity” when I was 12 and didn’t know anything about sex of intimacy or relationships really. It made me feel like I was better than other people who I didn’t understand at the time...didn’t help me at all in navigating relationships when I was finally encouraged to find my life partner at bible college years later. I am glad I left Christianity and evangelicalism and later had sex how and when it felt right to me. If not I probably would have been divorced or in a repressive relationship. Now I am married to a wonderful open minded man who grew up without all of this shame based purity crap. It’s refreshing and I am super thankful, but I know a lot of friends and family are struggling after being raised in that environment.
I remember thinking it was completely pointless for me to even consider such a thing because it wasn’t like I would ever manage to get into a relationship to begin with. I didn’t get in a relationship until I was 20, just like I predicted, and it was great.
that's so reassuring to hear... i'm in a very similar situation now dating a wonderfully open minded man and living my life away from church pressure. i must ask though, did your family ever react negatively to you moving away from purity culture? i'm terrified of my parents finding out i'm not their perfect virgin child anymore
So in Catholicism they tell you that cohabitation before marriage is sinful because sex is bound to happen. They also say that the consummation of marriage (sex) is required to make the marriage valid. So I came up with this “buttered toast on cat’s back” idea where two asexuals get married, move in together, and never have sex! Their marriage is never validated, so they are technically not married but cohabitating; but they are not tempted to have sex.
Yes, it's humorous. For the sake of anyone who could be confused by this, however, please allow me to wax nerdy on the theology: The physical act of love is the _consummation_ of the Rite of Matrimony, not the _validation._ St. Mary and St. Joseph had a valid marriage, but remained in perpetual virginity. Therefore, marriages in which the spouses do not participate in the physical act of love are known as "Josephite marriages" (but not "Marian" because... [see "feminist theology"]). The pertinent matter would be that the couple was _open_ to consummating the rite, if they ever felt the Lord calling them to do so at some point. On the subject of cohabitation, there is more to consider than just temptation. There's also "scandal," which is to say "the possibility that another could be led astray by the appearance of one's actions"
An unintentional side effect of “purity culture” is that my young mind started to think of the genitals and sex as being impure… and therefore I subconsciously assumed that women would not like sex. This distorted my body image… like I had this unruly semi evil thing between my legs
Right. An acquaintance once said to me that she would prefer to get pregnant from rape than consensual sex because she really wanted a baby, but couldn’t have sex because she wasn’t married… yikes
22:55 staying in an abusive relationship because I wasn’t a virgin and therefore “used” and “who would ever want me?” He of course loved to reiterate that “no one will ever love you but me.” ….that was me. Even when I was able to leave I kept going back. Finally after 7 years I had the strength to leave. And thankfully a few years later I was somehow blessed to leave “the church” and eventually realized I’m an atheist. I’m finally free (though still in therapy fighting to recover from the religious trauma and psychological and physical and sexual trauma from all the “good upstanding Christian men” in my life).
I know these videos are older, but I just found this channel lol, but I wanted to add, in regards to abortions in Canada, we are actually the only industrialized country in the world with no abortion laws. They were revoked in 1988, because the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the right to body autonomy, which makes any type of abortion legislation unconstitutional. As a result, abortions are legal here at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason, and it would be nearly impossible to change it. Additionally, under Canadian law, a baby is not legally considered a person until its born alive, so there can never be "heartbeat bills" or the like here, because a fetus isn't protected under the law, even when it's viable. Abortion falls under the spectrum of healthcare, and no matter how many fundamentalists stand in front of hospitals holding up signs or how many MPs say they want to reopen the abortion debate, they can't actually do anything.
You did not revoke them because of the charter of rights and freedoms. You revoked them because your government is filled with God hating liberals. Canada has free speech laws. However, people in Canada have been arrested for saying racist things which should be protected by freedom of speech. If all of the MPs because fundamentalists then they could ban abortion. This charter would not grow limbs and fight them off.
11:00 - When women in my church talked about this to the youth group girls, it always came from a deep place of shame and regret. And the message was that we needed to wait until marriage so we didn't experience the pain they went through. Great episode guys! I'm glad people are talking about these topics.
Nothing like a group of adults standing in front of you, examining the seam of your skort, because they wanted to suspend you for wearing a miniskirt and didn't know skorts were a thing. Or telling you to go put on your winter coat, indoors, because they saw your bare shoulders THROUGH the thin fabric of a shrug that they made you buy.
My parents weren’t devout Catholics, but my best friend’s parents were. At age 13 her dad gave her a sapphire and diamond purity ring. At age 14 I kissed a boy for the first time. She was very upset with me, and it ended our friendship. We had been best friends since we were babies!😢
34:19 hey don't blame her for falling for that, that's literally what happens when you raise people this way. Plus this is like the gum thing. Calling her dumb for believing that belittles the whole problem here. It's the culture that allows her to fall for that that is at fault not her
Yeah I thought calling the girl dumb was a little harsh too. Like you say if you were raised to believe in divine messages (totally easy for a deity depicted to be all-powerful) the manipulation would be harder to see. Not to mention even if she did suspect (at least) one wasn't being honest about what they thought they heard, which should she accuse here? I was raised Christian and in truth I'd be a bit baffled if something like that happened to me. It'd also feel a bit rude asking if they were sure in those kinds of environments :/ the leader of that excersise should probably have stepped in there.
Many many years ago I went to Confession in my Anglo-Catholic Parish, because, amongst other things, I was concerned THEN that I was tending to use other consenting adults in a somewhat permissive and unthinking way. Rather than concentrating on my intent, thoughts, and sense of shame, the priest seemed to me to be fixated on requiring descriptions of the acts undertaken in considerable and repititious detail. It came over, as it were, as rather prurient. It was the last time I attended auricular confession.
I've heard similar stories from young women, how they had to confess a sexual "sin" to an older male (or multiple males) who seemed awfully fixated on juicy details....
My daughters youth group had a husband and wife together since middle school. They were not allowed to speak on sex because they had engaged in a sexual relationship before marriage. Instead they chose a couple where the woman hadn’t but the man had because that was much better than a married couple that had sex and were ok
My mom's obsession with my sex life my entire childhood lead to a lot of psychological damage that I'm still dealing with at age 30 and married for 8 years :/
My HS brought in an abstinence speaker who gave an example of a guy who had sex with a lot of women and then couldn't stop thinking about that when he was with his wife. Like that was a universal thing. I'm sure purity culture guilt had nothing to do with that.
“It’s also about compatibility” I’ve been telling my church friends even while active in my last days that purity culture doesn’t make sense... but there’s something about us blacks people and impressing our parents... that’s a big proponent to our brain washing as well especially being from the Caribbean...
I’ve heard of the stick of gum thing. My youth group used the flower analogy. We passed a rose around and everyone was allowed to touch it, smell it, pluck its leaves and petals, etc. when it got back to my teacher, she held the now-ruined flower up for us to see and told us that every time we give ourselves away to a boy, it’s like a petal plucked from the “flower” of our purity. Messed me up for a long time, til I deconstructed.
This has to be one of the weirdest recommendations TH-cam has ever given me. It's more than 2 years old, it has less than 20K views, and I don't think I've ever googled something regarding Puritan values. Still, glad I came across this.
@@juanitaschlink2028 you just need to find someone who kisses the way you like to be kissed. Kissing is very very enjoyable when you have someone who shares your kissing style. I've had some really bad kisses and some amazing kisses too.
I had a friend from my middle/high school youth group; Her dad proposed to her mom during a kissing session on the couch one night, since they were waiting for marriage. Long story short, they had a rocky marriage and once their kids graduated high school they got a divorce.
My mom literally pleaded with me that once I get into a relationship she doesn’t care if I wait until marriage or not, but absolutely at least kiss them because she saw a video of a couple whose first kiss was at the altar and was like “oh no that’s just the most awful and painful looking kiss ever!”
I will never forget being compared to a car when I was 11 years old and told that no man wants an old pickup on his wedding day. It took me over ten years to deal with the shame that came along with that statement.
On the subject of divorce, you are right that it peaked when no-fault divorce became a thing, but it never reached 50%, at most it was like 24%, and some people at the time panicked about the bill passing and predicted the divorce rates would continue to rise to 50% by this time. currently it sits around 2%
Thanks for talking about this guys. This fucks up men as well. I was taught abstinence was the way, and sex before marriage sends you to hell. However, I went to public school where many people were fucking, even people that appeared to be devout christians. This contradiction eventually resulted in me leaving the church. Abstinence caused long-term damage to my self-esteem and perception of sex.
Yeah, NO ONE in purity culture ever addressed that asexuals exist which was harmful for me. I remember crying my eyes out once because I thought I'd be a terrible wife as I wouldn't be able to bring myself to give my body to my husband sexually.
Should add that I was taught that sex was God's gift to be opened in marriage and ya know, who are you to deny God's gifts? But I didn't know anyone else who felt like me so I was never able to talk about it.
@@theasexualvampire13 Not to mention that there are also "teachings" that essentially say you HAVE to have sex when your spouse wants it because it's your duty to do so.
I have never in my life have heard the pick up line that Christian men use “because God told me so!” That is outrageous!! That makes me so damn mad, you don’t even know! That is the epitome of emotional manipulation! 😡🤦🏻♀️
Sorry but, they are still obsessing over a little girls sexuality, which no matter what way you put it is creepy as hell, and not to mention toxicly possessive in this case
Ironically it was a gay dude who told me, "Why is it as men we're taught to please ourselves before we're ever taught how to please a woman" why is that???
I was homeschooled by my fundy christian parents and they gave me literally no sex ed except where stuff goes heterosexually speaking and how sex is unpleasant (their word). They didn’t even teach me how to keep those parts of my body healthy. That lack of education directly resulted in me and several friends who had the same “education” getting m*lested and the effects of both the lack of education and the assault are still hurting my life to this day.
This podcast reminds me of the movie Blocked that I saw recently. It's a really funny comedy where three girls decide they're going to have sex on prom night, and their parents get wind of it and try to stop them from doing it. It ends up handling the subject in a surprisingly mature way for a movie that includes a scene where John Cena ass-chugs a bottle of whiskey on screen.
That thing about the “dad her boyfriend” caused my friend to be abused by her father and her two twin daughters to be abused by my ex best friend.. the twins where 10
Oh boy, John Piper is absolutely insane. Even by Evangelical standards, the man is deranged. I do not see him covered much in atheist communities but he is huge in a lot of hardcore Evangelical circles. I found out about him because this lady who was hardcore Evangelical herself, introduced her to me in an effort to- hopefully- convert me. Needless to say it did not work but I got hours of entertainment out of it. At one point, I even subscribed to his newsletter, it was a weekly (maybe monthly, I forget) dose of highly strained, emotionally manipulative drivel. But in order to fully have the John Piper experience, one needs to actually hear him deliver a sermon. I've yet to check this one out- but I will, thanks for the link!- but the random SHOUTING mid-sentence, the weeping followed by downright sobbing, all delivered in an absolutely manic manner, it's like seeing someone have a mental breakdown. I hope it's all performance but I doubt it. I think Piper has serious, and I mean serious, issues that he should address with actual therapy and not God stuff.
@@Nocturnalux I AGREE. I used to be a fundie Christian and I’d listen to him all the time and oh man the guy basically said yes Jesus is the only way buuuut grace only really counts if you’re a “true” Christian who also is careful to follow all the rules and stuff and pray every day. It’s insane how much anxiety and fear of hell I got from listening to him, all while he was pretending to be so gentle and loving.
@@allisonpinkall577 Oh, I can only imagine how awful that must have been. You know how he will get all whispery and actually sob- or at least make a very good impression of it- only to suddenly burst out SHOUTING about something, usually SIN? It is so disturbing. I can't tell if he does it for manipulation purposes or whether he genuinely is this way, odds are it's a mix of the two, but whatever it may be, Piper is a perfect example of why Calvinism is just gross.
Im a non church going Christian. Although I believe in religion as the blind men seeing the elephant, I still call myself a Christian and believe in Jesus. I appreciate your videos as I mostly agree with everything you say, and have big problems with the church, which is why I keep Ku relationship with the creator between me and him, Instead of involving white men
Growing up I had a set of friends who all went to Dade Christian Academy with all kinds of purity crap, demerits if you were seen at a concert etc. Take a wild guess as to which of my friends were the first to have sex and do drugs?
In my high school we had reproductive biology, contraceptives, and STI education, but they ended by saying that the safest option was choosing abstinence. Of course no mention of LGBT+ folks
IMO telling a person they're like used gum if they have sex counts as sexual abuse. It's not all about the physical side of things, some people don't realise that and some do.
I got the stick of gum (ew you're gross now!), crumpled paper (can't be uncrumpled!), petals pulled off a flower (you're no longer pretty or useful!), and sticky tape (you will never form meaningful bonds!) 'sex talks' from my church growing up.
As a Child, my Christian parents shoved this crap on me, so I could grow up and learn that Christianity is actually a false religion based in sun god worship! Mid life crisis time 4 me! Lol!!!
It's very infantile to defend ideas from a random book which by now have been proven to be morally wrong and are just plain outdated. Why not defend the belief system from the Roman empire or any other culture's from the past? That would be silly and, well, so is this.
I wasn't even taught about sex at my church lol I was taught to say far away from It and that It was a sin. I got baptized and ended up having sex with my fiancė before marriage ups.
Ask a woman who has had many sexual partners how she feels now.....same with men....ask them if they could do it over would they do the same things.......speaking for myself I regret being so promiscuous.
The entire point of life: Jesus did not come to be served, but to serve. Mathew 20: 28. We are no different. This entire life is a representation of the spiritual warfare going on. Good vs evil. God isn't a flying man in the sky, but the actual representation of Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Light, etc. Not metaphor, but literally, like an extra demintional wavelength of thought, emotions, and intent. The devil is the opposite wavelength, pain, fear, hate, anger, darkness, etc. Human life is serving one of these two. Not a man in the sky, actual sentient collective universal Love. However, humans are primatives, we make mistakes. It's in our nature, since the fall, to go down the wrong path. This means at some time each one of us has served darkness to some degree. God understands our limited understanding of our own actions, so he gave us forgiveness, though sacrificing himself in human form as Jesus Christ. It is our duty to accept that sacrifice, get the forgiveness, and be better, helping others be better, and spreading this wavelength of Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Light, etc, thoughout the universe. But God had to make a way for us to get to this place spiritually, this is why evidence is not allowed. Evidence will make you believe, using the fear of absolute punishment to change your behavior, but that won't make you better, just scared. Faith makes you better. It is what redeemes us, not our works. Faith is the hope that things get better, that justice always prevails, that we're at least loved by our creator. But it has to be Faith in Jesus, because of his sacrifice. And there can't be evidence to point us to him, because Love had to be fair. If there were a code in our DNA, what about everyone born before genetic sequencing? If there were a book with the solar system thosands of years ago, what would stop an evil person from hiding/destroying it? If it were something you had to go to, what about the geographically isolated, imprisoned, or enslaved. If it were a train of logic, what about the uneducated, or mentally slow? Not to mention all the people born before schools. Love cannot give to one without giving to the other. So the key to salvation had to be something everyone has access to. The only thing is Faith. This is why God puts it upon your heart to learn about these things, even if it's only to criticize, or hate. God is everywhere, because Love is everywhere, and so is the devil, because hate is everywhere. They're in your head all the time, regardless of weather or not you accept that. They whisper inside your heart, giving you ideas. But more than that, they're inside everyone's heart. This is how they get things done. They corrordanate us like pieces on a chess board. The only difference is, we get to chose who's side we're playing for. At the end of our life, we go to that team's home base, Heaven, or Hell. A place where all that exists is those wavelengths. Hate, pain, anger, fear, darkness; or Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Pleasure, Light. The choice is yours to make. But you cannot go to Heaven with hate in your heart. You must forgive, repent, and spread joy for those around you. These are sentient eternal controlling forces in our universe. Heaven and Hell are very real places, I've seen them. Those steps prime your soul for a meeting with God. Very literally. Once you've done all four, in that order, you get divine revelation, with all the evidence you'll ever need. They are, forgive your parents, brake down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read the Bible. Step four takes three books to get the revelation. I recommend Genesis, Mathew, and then either Luke, Psalms, or proverbs. The order of the steps is important, step 1 has to come before step 3. I can state that for an absolute certainty that these steps always work. Please, take your salvation seriously. See for yourself. Do those steps. Jesus Christ is Lord. It's all True
Wow ran into this randomly just now. I’ve been working on deconstructing my beliefs and finding what I truly believe in, wrestling with hurts from the church etc. your comment is well worded and speaks to my soul, so thank you
Thank you for posting. This was long but very respectful. I am a former Christian now agnostic. I never heard the sinner's prayer in four steps but I can say from my own experience I definitely did all four steps including reading the Bible. Long story short, I didn't find any evidence to match the claims of the Bible and didn't want to live my life, the only life I'm guaranteed to actually have, on faith alone. Might be a wasted life if I have faith in something that turns out not to be true. Does my testimony show that, in some cases, in at least one case, your claim that "these steps always work" is demonstrably false?
@@lsmmoore1 fear isn't the point, but it is the beginning of wisdom. Yes, everyone wants evidence, but unfortunately our universe isn't set up that way. There's extremely important reasons for that, it's because we're in a spiritual war. God and the devil are playing chess essentially, and we're the pieces, but our free will chooses who we play for. Evidence is banded because nobody would ever not chose God if they knew. It's a complicated and nuaunced set of rules. What's important is Faith must come first. This is key. Because it's what all humans have access to regardless of time period, education, intelligence, freedom, geography, or ability. All you need is to show one mustard seed of Faith, by doing those steps I mentioned. This fullfills the requirements for joining God's team. Anything less and you belong to the devil, and it gives him legal right to mess with your memories, and manipulate you on a spiritual level. Once you've done those steps I mentioned, bam, derict Devine Revaluation directly from God. He gives you all the evidence you'll ever need then, as answering many if your deepest questions, and giving you a ton of extremely important information you desperately need to know, but won't be allowed to share. I know how this sounds, I was atheist for a decade, but it is all real. There's much more going on beneath the surface than you realize. The universe is so much more complex than we're taught. You want evidence, I'm giving you a step by step guide to it, but that starts with Faith. Simply doing those steps with the expectation that they'll work. That's all. If you can do that tiny amount of effort, God does the rest. It's like Will Smith's kiss in Hitch. God's come 90% of the way, but that last 10% is on you. Take a leap of Faith or Love dies. It's as simple as that. Please do those steps I mentioned. They really do work. It is all True. See for yourself.
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When I was in high school a girl in my youth group got pregnant and she had to stand up in front of the church and apologize. Not the boy...just the girl.
Yikes!
Like I don't wanna be disrespectful to "normal" christians but damn this is cult, they think they're being saved but if you compare the good to harm it does...
Ugh, I always hate when people blame only the girl or only the boy. Unless it was rape, it is their shared fault. Neither of them made sure to take precautions to avoid pregnancy.
@@nataliaborys1554 I think it's fault of the church. These people don't educate them about this topic property, also why tf would they make them apologize. These people are weird af
My first time was actually in the church, because that was basically the only place me and my girlfriend were allowed to see each other.
When the parents found out, they told the pastor who sat me down and told me I was a pervert and no longer allowed to play in the church band, and basically my whole family got kicked out of the church. But, my family had to get up and say we were stepping down from our positions because "god is calling us elsewhere."
Imagine obsessing over your child's future sex life. Like not with concern over consent or healthy relationships, but just being utterly torn over the idea that your child might have sex before 30.
Yep. Pretty much ruined my life. It's not like it goes away once you become a non believer.
Aside from safety, I think it's highly inappropriate and creepy to get involved and stick your nose in your child's sex life. And "inappropriate" is not a word I use often, I usually loathe this word.
Torn over the idea that your daughter * might have sex before 30. They are so much more obsessed with little girls "purity" it's almost predatory
@@sabrinaleedance So accurate!
@@WalldoTheWInner Can confirm
Telling someone God told them to marry you is very manipulative.
Yes. And it often ends in abuse: If you go against God's will then...well, all bets are off, at that point.
I am familiar with this type of situation. Worst. Thing. Ever.
happened to my aunt
I was approached by a girl that I was not into, at all, who said that "god" told her that we were going to marry, which I knew was not going to happen. That should've been the first step of me realizing people are making crap up when they "hear from god." Took another 10 years to get it.
@@joshua.merrill Fuck that’s terrible
I hate this idea that once you lost it your unpure forever , imagine being a secret rape victim and having someone tell you this .
It's also fundamentally at odds with the Christian belief in God's forgiveness.
@@anniejuan1817 It's really not though. Matthew 5 Jesus goes as far as to say that even thr thought of sex outside of marriage is the same as committing the act then explicitly claims that it's worthy of eternal punishment in hell. Scripture sets up a paradoxical situation where you are always sinning and dirty, but always forgiven. Then simultaneously saying that if you show your belief with works then you might just be a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's a guilt to forgiveness cycle that is perpetual & essentially guarantees that anyone who takes it seriously (it's different if a person develops cognitive dissonance & ignores the text) will basically be constantly evaluating their guilt. I've seen this cycle destroy lives over time.
Yes it beats the whole point of Jesus dying for your sins and giving you a new start
Exactly. I was that victim but no one explained anything. I just thought that I was impure about something I never understood. Very confusing
Especially people who are victims of priests and youth pastors
When I was around 8/9 I got the “piece of gum” talk from an adult in my church, and the whole bit about how sexual assault isn’t the man’s fault. Later that year I was assaulted (as an 8 year old) and blamed myself fully for it even until recently, and thought that my partner wouldn’t want anything to do with me because I was “used”.
I've been wondering for a few years why cults like the Institute in Basic Life Principles / Gothardists or the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists don't have any interest in preventing crimes like that. Until some of those purity culture based sects start saying something for themselves, I can only presume the church aristocracies are motivated by malevolence and a desire to see innocent people, specifically women and children, suffer as miserably as possible, and a disgusting compulsion to kick people while they're down.
Give me name & adress, someone will lose their limbs 😃
I was assaulted at 5 I was a whore because I didn’t fight at all. I remember being confused why he wanted to tough me so bad it meant nothing to me.
I’ve fantasized about killing people who were my caretakers because they made it ten times worse saying I was off slutty as a toddler
I’m so sorry those people chose to abuse you. I hope you find support, love and healing. I’m sending you love 💕
@@iso-didact789 Thanks, i'll need that :))
Church: *has purity culture*
Me: *an ace*
Church: wait that's illegal
Right? Because we're supposed to stay pure until we aren't, it's really just about oppressing and nothing else
Can't make nobody happy. Do you boo boo.
How we control you if don't want the things we've used to shame people for???
(an aroace here, nice to meet ya!)
Yesss, aroace here
“We’ve been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly bamboozled.”
My high school (public) tried to ban a girl from walking in graduation because she was about 4-5 months pregnant. This was 1985. The entire senior class threatened to not show if they didn't allow her to walk. They caved to our pressure thankfully
You must've had a great senior class. Good for you folks.
The support her classmates showed her shows there is good in humanity
I remember when my church did it's sex night sort of thing. It was insanely boring except for when the the counsellors tried to do the whole gum chewing thing. They chewed the gum and they were going around the circle asking people if they'd chew it and one kid just asked what flavour it was. So the counsellors just said it was spearmint so the kid just grabbed it out of his hand and started chewing.
Fuckin beautiful
That's great. What's not great is that I now know this is part of their brainwashing regiment.
That "God told me so" pick up line. There is a dark history to some women about that line. It really messed with them.
THAT was the line my first boyfriend (a fellow member of my baptist church) used when proposing to me. No shit, he actually told me that God had told him to marry me. Since I hadn't gotten any messages from the Almighty, I turned him down and broke up with him not long afterwards.
@@phatchick96 Kudos, you did the right thing. This doesn't have to do with religion, but I grew up with my grandmother's story about how my grandfather put a mirror in front of her and said "this is the woman I'm going to marry". I always found this revolting. Like, don't you think you're being a bit presumptuous, buddy? I would have smashed that mirror on his head.
@@iso-didact789 this could happen to anyone it's especially alarming when it's used to groom teenage girls, it has happened.
That happened to my Mom when she was in college. This dude showed up at her door with a cake and told her God said she was supposed to marry him. She shut the door in his face.
Purity culture is dangerous. We need to teach kids to be okay with their body and not shamed.
Yeaaaah, but yet, many stuff can be done that one should be ashamed of,
so i am wondering...
Purity culture creates the women men in the manosphere complain about!!! Daddy issues yup purity culture, damaged goods purity culture, all the problems with so called modern women can be traced to PURITY CULTURE
Can we also talk about the number of Christian college guys use the "God told me we're NOT meant to be together" as a breakup line???
What a cop out 😂😂 thats a bitch-ass move. Im sorry :(
I almost got MARRIED because a guy used the “it’s gods will that we be together” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I got broken up with cause the dude I was dating thought he was going to hell. I said see ya! Glad I did, cause I later learned he followed a girl around at the place he worked then told her, "It's ok if everyone thinks you're a whore. God still loves you." Yeah.
And then there was my best friend, who broke up with her boyfriend because she discovered that he was scarily controlling. He came to me me and whined about how SATAN broke them up and GOD wanted them to still be together.
I firmly believe that every child has the right to understand how their body works and make informed decisions based on that.
At a level that they'd be able to understand i agree
Well said!
teach my kids how to be a soldier and Sheriff and cooking and how to get apartment
purity is nice but drooling over it is strange.
@@Givemeabreak-56 there's no such thing as purity
I remember as a teenager in the 80s, picking up a magazine that said it explained sex (because my mother sure as hell wasn't going to talk to me about it) and how all this magazine talked about is how sex is going to hurt the first few times and basically trying to scare young women off of trying it. Also was a very big part of my Catholic upbringing and just culture at the time- abstinence was definitely the buzz word in those days. I definitely had friends that got married very young in order to feel ok about having sex and are now divorced because they figured out in the long run, they didn't really like that person. And plenty of women who didn't learn to enjoy sex until much later in life because of the shame associated with it from when we were younger.
Know 'Genetically Modified Sceptic'?
@@nenmaster5218 I love Drew. His videos are solid information and well made. I'm sure you've seen that he regularly has Christians post about how they still enjoy his videos, and that's so important. Him being accessible to so many Christians is encouraging.
I'm a bit younger that you are, but having been a catholic youth minister in the earlier 2010s, I remember phrasing it as chastity. I have absolutely no clue if that was common in other parishes, but I would imagine it is, seeing as it's pretty common in the Catechism. It's always cool to see a fellow former Catholic here lol.
@@myjessicajourney1915 Yeah,
but lets not forget that all Channels are different,
so its a 'Supplementary'-Issue.
Means: Its liike a Puzzle.
Limiting yourself ot just Drew would probably be bad (especially, as i would argue, cause he rarely asks the 'harsh questions'.).
@@nenmaster5218 I agree that it's extremely valuable to get a well rounded intake of atheist and sceptic content. And I'm not sure if you're suggesting GMS is all of what I watch, but I'm here talking on this channel. I love Telltale, Paulogia, Jimmy Snow, Jaclyn Glen, Jon Steingard, Heretical Theology, Fundie Friday's and various exvangelical channels here and other social media platforms. I'd recommend all of them.
Lol the chewing gum analogy. All that was missing was, "Lol, I don't want it anymore either, it's not good anymore. Guess I need a new piece."
Lmao. The gum analogy would be super confusing for me, since I would chew through like a pack of gum every other day. I probably would have ended up saying something dumb like "Oh, so I need 16 a day? That's too much marriaging."
And if you don't have a stick of gum, you can always ask someone if they have some they could share 😂
I “made a commitment” to “sexual purity” when I was 12 and didn’t know anything about sex of intimacy or relationships really. It made me feel like I was better than other people who I didn’t understand at the time...didn’t help me at all in navigating relationships when I was finally encouraged to find my life partner at bible college years later. I am glad I left Christianity and evangelicalism and later had sex how and when it felt right to me. If not I probably would have been divorced or in a repressive relationship. Now I am married to a wonderful open minded man who grew up without all of this shame based purity crap. It’s refreshing and I am super thankful, but I know a lot of friends and family are struggling after being raised in that environment.
I remember thinking it was completely pointless for me to even consider such a thing because it wasn’t like I would ever manage to get into a relationship to begin with. I didn’t get in a relationship until I was 20, just like I predicted, and it was great.
that's so reassuring to hear... i'm in a very similar situation now dating a wonderfully open minded man and living my life away from church pressure.
i must ask though, did your family ever react negatively to you moving away from purity culture? i'm terrified of my parents finding out i'm not their perfect virgin child anymore
So in Catholicism they tell you that cohabitation before marriage is sinful because sex is bound to happen. They also say that the consummation of marriage (sex) is required to make the marriage valid. So I came up with this “buttered toast on cat’s back” idea where two asexuals get married, move in together, and never have sex! Their marriage is never validated, so they are technically not married but cohabitating; but they are not tempted to have sex.
But do they share cake?
@@LongForgottenJ not sharing cake is considered adultery in the asexual community
Stop it, you'll scare them!
@Simple Weirdo This could become quite the scientific experiment....
Yes, it's humorous. For the sake of anyone who could be confused by this, however, please allow me to wax nerdy on the theology:
The physical act of love is the _consummation_ of the Rite of Matrimony, not the _validation._ St. Mary and St. Joseph had a valid marriage, but remained in perpetual virginity. Therefore, marriages in which the spouses do not participate in the physical act of love are known as "Josephite marriages" (but not "Marian" because... [see "feminist theology"]). The pertinent matter would be that the couple was _open_ to consummating the rite, if they ever felt the Lord calling them to do so at some point.
On the subject of cohabitation, there is more to consider than just temptation. There's also "scandal," which is to say "the possibility that another could be led astray by the appearance of one's actions"
An unintentional side effect of “purity culture” is that my young mind started to think of the genitals and sex as being impure… and therefore I subconsciously assumed that women would not like sex. This distorted my body image… like I had this unruly semi evil thing between my legs
The guilt tht purity culture instills is debilitating...I used to think I was pregnant before I even had sex.
Right. An acquaintance once said to me that she would prefer to get pregnant from rape than consensual sex because she really wanted a baby, but couldn’t have sex because she wasn’t married… yikes
22:55 staying in an abusive relationship because I wasn’t a virgin and therefore “used” and “who would ever want me?” He of course loved to reiterate that “no one will ever love you but me.” ….that was me. Even when I was able to leave I kept going back. Finally after 7 years I had the strength to leave. And thankfully a few years later I was somehow blessed to leave “the church” and eventually realized I’m an atheist. I’m finally free (though still in therapy fighting to recover from the religious trauma and psychological and physical and sexual trauma from all the “good upstanding Christian men” in my life).
I know these videos are older, but I just found this channel lol, but I wanted to add, in regards to abortions in Canada, we are actually the only industrialized country in the world with no abortion laws. They were revoked in 1988, because the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the right to body autonomy, which makes any type of abortion legislation unconstitutional. As a result, abortions are legal here at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason, and it would be nearly impossible to change it. Additionally, under Canadian law, a baby is not legally considered a person until its born alive, so there can never be "heartbeat bills" or the like here, because a fetus isn't protected under the law, even when it's viable. Abortion falls under the spectrum of healthcare, and no matter how many fundamentalists stand in front of hospitals holding up signs or how many MPs say they want to reopen the abortion debate, they can't actually do anything.
I love this
This is the greatest
Huh, I actually didn’t know that. At least my country did something right for once.
You did not revoke them because of the charter of rights and freedoms. You revoked them because your government is filled with God hating liberals. Canada has free speech laws. However, people in Canada have been arrested for saying racist things which should be protected by freedom of speech. If all of the MPs because fundamentalists then they could ban abortion. This charter would not grow limbs and fight them off.
@@shaolincheck347 It's perfectly acceptable to hate a mass murdering slaver(god).
11:00 - When women in my church talked about this to the youth group girls, it always came from a deep place of shame and regret. And the message was that we needed to wait until marriage so we didn't experience the pain they went through.
Great episode guys! I'm glad people are talking about these topics.
Nothing like a group of adults standing in front of you, examining the seam of your skort, because they wanted to suspend you for wearing a miniskirt and didn't know skorts were a thing. Or telling you to go put on your winter coat, indoors, because they saw your bare shoulders THROUGH the thin fabric of a shrug that they made you buy.
It amazes me how grown adults can be so worried about childrens' bodies even at times when children are barely aware of their bodies.
My parents weren’t devout Catholics, but my best friend’s parents were. At age 13 her dad gave her a sapphire and diamond purity ring. At age 14 I kissed a boy for the first time. She was very upset with me, and it ended our friendship. We had been best friends since we were babies!😢
I'm so sorry, that's sad.
34:19 hey don't blame her for falling for that, that's literally what happens when you raise people this way. Plus this is like the gum thing. Calling her dumb for believing that belittles the whole problem here. It's the culture that allows her to fall for that that is at fault not her
@@sofiasfae1846 yeah pretty much grooming girls to be frail and nieve and gula le, that's not her fault she was raised that way by evil people
Yeah I thought calling the girl dumb was a little harsh too. Like you say if you were raised to believe in divine messages (totally easy for a deity depicted to be all-powerful) the manipulation would be harder to see. Not to mention even if she did suspect (at least) one wasn't being honest about what they thought they heard, which should she accuse here? I was raised Christian and in truth I'd be a bit baffled if something like that happened to me. It'd also feel a bit rude asking if they were sure in those kinds of environments :/ the leader of that excersise should probably have stepped in there.
Many many years ago I went to Confession in my Anglo-Catholic Parish, because, amongst other things, I was concerned THEN that I was tending to use other consenting adults in a somewhat permissive and unthinking way. Rather than concentrating on my intent, thoughts, and sense of shame, the priest seemed to me to be fixated on requiring descriptions of the acts undertaken in considerable and repititious detail. It came over, as it were, as rather prurient. It was the last time I attended auricular confession.
Ewww that’s yucky as hell I’m so sorry:(
I've heard similar stories from young women, how they had to confess a sexual "sin" to an older male (or multiple males) who seemed awfully fixated on juicy details....
My daughters youth group had a husband and wife together since middle school. They were not allowed to speak on sex because they had engaged in a sexual relationship before marriage. Instead they chose a couple where the woman hadn’t but the man had because that was much better than a married couple that had sex and were ok
At least the Amish wait until the kids are 18 before the 'join or get shunned' decision.
I've heard some amish community's let you start your 'stay or leave faze' at 16.
My mom's obsession with my sex life my entire childhood lead to a lot of psychological damage that I'm still dealing with at age 30 and married for 8 years :/
Repression = obsession Eventually
There's a reason why the bible belt is the biggest gay pornography consumer in the us
My HS brought in an abstinence speaker who gave an example of a guy who had sex with a lot of women and then couldn't stop thinking about that when he was with his wife. Like that was a universal thing. I'm sure purity culture guilt had nothing to do with that.
The rubber band thing was one of the ways the kids flirted with each other at youth group
"SNAP" thinking naughty thoughts about you
Are they trying to teach children Protestantism, or the ways of that one Cathol where the Flagellantes come from?
“It’s also about compatibility” I’ve been telling my church friends even while active in my last days that purity culture doesn’t make sense... but there’s something about us blacks people and impressing our parents... that’s a big proponent to our brain washing as well especially being from the Caribbean...
I’ve heard of the stick of gum thing. My youth group used the flower analogy. We passed a rose around and everyone was allowed to touch it, smell it, pluck its leaves and petals, etc. when it got back to my teacher, she held the now-ruined flower up for us to see and told us that every time we give ourselves away to a boy, it’s like a petal plucked from the “flower” of our purity. Messed me up for a long time, til I deconstructed.
This has to be one of the weirdest recommendations TH-cam has ever given me. It's more than 2 years old, it has less than 20K views, and I don't think I've ever googled something regarding Puritan values. Still, glad I came across this.
Same here
The Salemese Church of Purita is a likely culprit in everything wrong with social and political attitudes towards sex in the US.
Yermp
I have no idea how to kiss or do anything basic like that. I'm in my 20s.
May the force be with you, you're valid anyways
You aren’t alone💖
I find kissing gross and overrated anyways. You will figure out what works for you.
@@juanitaschlink2028 you just need to find someone who kisses the way you like to be kissed. Kissing is very very enjoyable when you have someone who shares your kissing style. I've had some really bad kisses and some amazing kisses too.
@@bryanorozco8248 nah, some people just don't like kissing
I had a friend from my middle/high school youth group; Her dad proposed to her mom during a kissing session on the couch one night, since they were waiting for marriage. Long story short, they had a rocky marriage and once their kids graduated high school they got a divorce.
My mom literally pleaded with me that once I get into a relationship she doesn’t care if I wait until marriage or not, but absolutely at least kiss them because she saw a video of a couple whose first kiss was at the altar and was like “oh no that’s just the most awful and painful looking kiss ever!”
I will never forget being compared to a car when I was 11 years old and told that no man wants an old pickup on his wedding day. It took me over ten years to deal with the shame that came along with that statement.
"Really? You think a brand new Ferrari being driven by a blind man is a recipe for all good things in life?"
On the subject of divorce, you are right that it peaked when no-fault divorce became a thing, but it never reached 50%, at most it was like 24%, and some people at the time panicked about the bill passing and predicted the divorce rates would continue to rise to 50% by this time. currently it sits around 2%
Thanks for talking about this guys. This fucks up men as well. I was taught abstinence was the way, and sex before marriage sends you to hell. However, I went to public school where many people were fucking, even people that appeared to be devout christians. This contradiction eventually resulted in me leaving the church. Abstinence caused long-term damage to my self-esteem and perception of sex.
Yeah, NO ONE in purity culture ever addressed that asexuals exist which was harmful for me. I remember crying my eyes out once because I thought I'd be a terrible wife as I wouldn't be able to bring myself to give my body to my husband sexually.
Should add that I was taught that sex was God's gift to be opened in marriage and ya know, who are you to deny God's gifts? But I didn't know anyone else who felt like me so I was never able to talk about it.
Purity culture has no winners. (Exept for rapists)
Same here!!
Know 'Genetically Modified Sceptic'?
@@theasexualvampire13 Not to mention that there are also "teachings" that essentially say you HAVE to have sex when your spouse wants it because it's your duty to do so.
I have never in my life have heard the pick up line that Christian men use “because God told me so!” That is outrageous!! That makes me so damn mad, you don’t even know! That is the epitome of emotional manipulation! 😡🤦🏻♀️
@@iso-didact789 a crippling fear of hell will make people do some crazy shit
Sorry but, they are still obsessing over a little girls sexuality, which no matter what way you put it is creepy as hell, and not to mention toxicly possessive in this case
Ironically it was a gay dude who told me, "Why is it as men we're taught to please ourselves before we're ever taught how to please a woman" why is that???
Wait, what? Men are taught to please themselves?
I was homeschooled by my fundy christian parents and they gave me literally no sex ed except where stuff goes heterosexually speaking and how sex is unpleasant (their word). They didn’t even teach me how to keep those parts of my body healthy. That lack of education directly resulted in me and several friends who had the same “education” getting m*lested and the effects of both the lack of education and the assault are still hurting my life to this day.
24:16 Purity Balls are Incest weddings. They are nauseating.
32:45 Once again I point you to John Piper's sermon on Oral Sex, It is beautiful.
This podcast reminds me of the movie Blocked that I saw recently. It's a really funny comedy where three girls decide they're going to have sex on prom night, and their parents get wind of it and try to stop them from doing it. It ends up handling the subject in a surprisingly mature way for a movie that includes a scene where John Cena ass-chugs a bottle of whiskey on screen.
You should read Linda Key Klein's book Pure about the Spat on oreo.
There's also Mikhail Bakunin's book _God and the State._ It's a really old book, but it is really good.
Ooh I’m reading that now!! I just started it
That thing about the “dad her boyfriend” caused my friend to be abused by her father and her two twin daughters to be abused by my ex best friend.. the twins where 10
You all should listen to John piper's sermon on "My Sexually Active Daughter". It's quite a treat.
Link?
@@deptusmechanikus7362 th-cam.com/video/bed5i9dvmBk/w-d-xo.html
Oh boy, John Piper is absolutely insane. Even by Evangelical standards, the man is deranged. I do not see him covered much in atheist communities but he is huge in a lot of hardcore Evangelical circles. I found out about him because this lady who was hardcore Evangelical herself, introduced her to me in an effort to- hopefully- convert me. Needless to say it did not work but I got hours of entertainment out of it.
At one point, I even subscribed to his newsletter, it was a weekly (maybe monthly, I forget) dose of highly strained, emotionally manipulative drivel. But in order to fully have the John Piper experience, one needs to actually hear him deliver a sermon.
I've yet to check this one out- but I will, thanks for the link!- but the random SHOUTING mid-sentence, the weeping followed by downright sobbing, all delivered in an absolutely manic manner, it's like seeing someone have a mental breakdown.
I hope it's all performance but I doubt it. I think Piper has serious, and I mean serious, issues that he should address with actual therapy and not God stuff.
@@Nocturnalux I AGREE. I used to be a fundie Christian and I’d listen to him all the time and oh man the guy basically said yes Jesus is the only way buuuut grace only really counts if you’re a “true” Christian who also is careful to follow all the rules and stuff and pray every day. It’s insane how much anxiety and fear of hell I got from listening to him, all while he was pretending to be so gentle and loving.
@@allisonpinkall577 Oh, I can only imagine how awful that must have been.
You know how he will get all whispery and actually sob- or at least make a very good impression of it- only to suddenly burst out SHOUTING about something, usually SIN? It is so disturbing.
I can't tell if he does it for manipulation purposes or whether he genuinely is this way, odds are it's a mix of the two, but whatever it may be, Piper is a perfect example of why Calvinism is just gross.
Im a non church going Christian. Although I believe in religion as the blind men seeing the elephant, I still call myself a Christian and believe in Jesus. I appreciate your videos as I mostly agree with everything you say, and have big problems with the church, which is why I keep Ku relationship with the creator between me and him, Instead of involving white men
The purity culture seems to be the expect opposite of what it originally intended to be.
OK I am a Christian but my church never did shit like this. I am sorry to those that did.
real good presentation.
kinda like listening to FM radio when it was relevant.
Thanks guys!
Growing up I had a set of friends who all went to Dade Christian Academy with all kinds of purity crap, demerits if you were seen at a concert etc. Take a wild guess as to which of my friends were the first to have sex and do drugs?
Was it Doug?
In my high school we had reproductive biology, contraceptives, and STI education, but they ended by saying that the safest option was choosing abstinence. Of course no mention of LGBT+ folks
That thumbnail looked straight up like a cult.
I know right
24:44
*WHAT IN THE SWEET HOME OF ALABAMA-*
This purity movement was also to curtail certain groups from procreation...
IMO telling a person they're like used gum if they have sex counts as sexual abuse. It's not all about the physical side of things, some people don't realise that and some do.
Just here to say your thumbnail looks like: "The rite of spring, American edition."
That was awesome, the Rogue incident. Seriously you never know.
I got the stick of gum (ew you're gross now!), crumpled paper (can't be uncrumpled!), petals pulled off a flower (you're no longer pretty or useful!), and sticky tape (you will never form meaningful bonds!) 'sex talks' from my church growing up.
Encouraging self harm in youth. Good plan
I do know someone who’s dad really was the milk man
"Ah dun wannit. Ah nevuh ave"
- dc Talk
This isn't weird or creepy at all.
14:52 That sounds like Mormon.
A counselor had me do the rubber band trick to get me to stop cutting myself
Reminds me of the Handmaid's tale.
Same
Nice content!
how many times did i hear "yeah exactly" idk why it bothers me '3'
Yeah
As a Child, my Christian parents shoved this crap on me, so I could grow up and learn that Christianity is actually a false religion based in sun god worship! Mid life crisis time 4 me! Lol!!!
My conservative university called it a "MRS degree"
Love the channel. Great insight to stuff I didnt know.
I cant lie. Religion sounds awful. People religions at least
everyone is flawed. there are no rules. do your best.
how do people stick around to listen to your videos if they’re not listening for entertainment lol
yeah
still confused...ppl actually use itunes still o.O
It's rough choosing whether or not to be a wanker or a liar
??
the flashbacks I'm having 15 min in
The girls in the abc video look like Charlotte Arnold, apart from the girl to the left.
It's very infantile to defend ideas from a random book which by now have been proven to be morally wrong and are just plain outdated.
Why not defend the belief system from the Roman empire or any other culture's from the past? That would be silly and, well, so is this.
half this podcast is just "exactly... yeah...yeah...exactly"
Yeah
I wasn't even taught about sex at my church lol I was taught to say far away from It and that It was a sin. I got baptized and ended up having sex with my fiancė before marriage ups.
👏🙂
work work work sky moon
Please!!!! That guy who says "yeah" a lot... PLEASE, stop!!! I can't handle it anymore!!! :((((
yeah
Isn't it beneficial to stay abstinent until marriage, because of the problems associated with children growing up without fathers?
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Yeah, exactly
Being asexual made watching this a little weird.
.,.
Eeew ITunes!?? What do I look like, a hipster ass Apple owner?
That’s not what happened in Arab countries.
This sounds like it’s going to be pure trash to me.
Purity culture is pure trash, which is sorta ironic
Very soon it will not be possible to become a believer in God....the door will be closed and locked from the inside.
Ask a woman who has had many sexual partners how she feels now.....same with men....ask them if they could do it over would they do the same things.......speaking for myself I regret being so promiscuous.
If I could do it over, I would simply skip the partners that I would know turned out to be crappy.
The entire point of life:
Jesus did not come to be served, but to serve. Mathew 20: 28. We are no different. This entire life is a representation of the spiritual warfare going on. Good vs evil. God isn't a flying man in the sky, but the actual representation of Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Light, etc. Not metaphor, but literally, like an extra demintional wavelength of thought, emotions, and intent. The devil is the opposite wavelength, pain, fear, hate, anger, darkness, etc. Human life is serving one of these two. Not a man in the sky, actual sentient collective universal Love. However, humans are primatives, we make mistakes. It's in our nature, since the fall, to go down the wrong path. This means at some time each one of us has served darkness to some degree. God understands our limited understanding of our own actions, so he gave us forgiveness, though sacrificing himself in human form as Jesus Christ. It is our duty to accept that sacrifice, get the forgiveness, and be better, helping others be better, and spreading this wavelength of Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Light, etc, thoughout the universe. But God had to make a way for us to get to this place spiritually, this is why evidence is not allowed. Evidence will make you believe, using the fear of absolute punishment to change your behavior, but that won't make you better, just scared. Faith makes you better. It is what redeemes us, not our works. Faith is the hope that things get better, that justice always prevails, that we're at least loved by our creator. But it has to be Faith in Jesus, because of his sacrifice. And there can't be evidence to point us to him, because Love had to be fair. If there were a code in our DNA, what about everyone born before genetic sequencing? If there were a book with the solar system thosands of years ago, what would stop an evil person from hiding/destroying it? If it were something you had to go to, what about the geographically isolated, imprisoned, or enslaved. If it were a train of logic, what about the uneducated, or mentally slow? Not to mention all the people born before schools. Love cannot give to one without giving to the other. So the key to salvation had to be something everyone has access to. The only thing is Faith. This is why God puts it upon your heart to learn about these things, even if it's only to criticize, or hate. God is everywhere, because Love is everywhere, and so is the devil, because hate is everywhere. They're in your head all the time, regardless of weather or not you accept that. They whisper inside your heart, giving you ideas. But more than that, they're inside everyone's heart. This is how they get things done. They corrordanate us like pieces on a chess board. The only difference is, we get to chose who's side we're playing for. At the end of our life, we go to that team's home base, Heaven, or Hell. A place where all that exists is those wavelengths. Hate, pain, anger, fear, darkness; or Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Pleasure, Light. The choice is yours to make. But you cannot go to Heaven with hate in your heart. You must forgive, repent, and spread joy for those around you. These are sentient eternal controlling forces in our universe. Heaven and Hell are very real places, I've seen them. Those steps prime your soul for a meeting with God. Very literally. Once you've done all four, in that order, you get divine revelation, with all the evidence you'll ever need. They are, forgive your parents, brake down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read the Bible. Step four takes three books to get the revelation. I recommend Genesis, Mathew, and then either Luke, Psalms, or proverbs. The order of the steps is important, step 1 has to come before step 3. I can state that for an absolute certainty that these steps always work. Please, take your salvation seriously. See for yourself. Do those steps. Jesus Christ is Lord. It's all True
Wow ran into this randomly just now. I’ve been working on deconstructing my beliefs and finding what I truly believe in, wrestling with hurts from the church etc. your comment is well worded and speaks to my soul, so thank you
Thank you for posting. This was long but very respectful. I am a former Christian now agnostic. I never heard the sinner's prayer in four steps but I can say from my own experience I definitely did all four steps including reading the Bible.
Long story short, I didn't find any evidence to match the claims of the Bible and didn't want to live my life, the only life I'm guaranteed to actually have, on faith alone. Might be a wasted life if I have faith in something that turns out not to be true.
Does my testimony show that, in some cases, in at least one case, your claim that "these steps always work" is demonstrably false?
"Evidence will make you believe, using the fear of absolute punishment to change your behavior, but that won't make you better, just scared."
@@lsmmoore1 fear isn't the point, but it is the beginning of wisdom. Yes, everyone wants evidence, but unfortunately our universe isn't set up that way. There's extremely important reasons for that, it's because we're in a spiritual war. God and the devil are playing chess essentially, and we're the pieces, but our free will chooses who we play for. Evidence is banded because nobody would ever not chose God if they knew. It's a complicated and nuaunced set of rules. What's important is Faith must come first. This is key. Because it's what all humans have access to regardless of time period, education, intelligence, freedom, geography, or ability. All you need is to show one mustard seed of Faith, by doing those steps I mentioned. This fullfills the requirements for joining God's team. Anything less and you belong to the devil, and it gives him legal right to mess with your memories, and manipulate you on a spiritual level. Once you've done those steps I mentioned, bam, derict Devine Revaluation directly from God. He gives you all the evidence you'll ever need then, as answering many if your deepest questions, and giving you a ton of extremely important information you desperately need to know, but won't be allowed to share. I know how this sounds, I was atheist for a decade, but it is all real. There's much more going on beneath the surface than you realize. The universe is so much more complex than we're taught. You want evidence, I'm giving you a step by step guide to it, but that starts with Faith. Simply doing those steps with the expectation that they'll work. That's all. If you can do that tiny amount of effort, God does the rest. It's like Will Smith's kiss in Hitch. God's come 90% of the way, but that last 10% is on you. Take a leap of Faith or Love dies. It's as simple as that. Please do those steps I mentioned. They really do work. It is all True. See for yourself.
@@jamesmayle4712 You are saying in order to see the evidence, Faith must come first. When you use the word "Faith", what do you mean exactly?
Interesting topic. Less than sophomoric uninformed rambling delivery. Made it about 10 minutes.
Do you not know what a podcast is?
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