In the measurements at the end, the "Untreated room" shows the room before I did any work in there. That was the room before I started, not before I added these panels, and shows the overall progress up to now.
As you are in USA, can you try acoustic fields open cell foam, (they offer free return)? Their founder, youtuber Dennis Foley told it is better for voice.
@@adelkharisov I'm not in the US, but I'm very familiar with Acoustic Fields. Dennis is selling room treatment products, so of course he's going to say the stuff he sells is better, and his foam is better for voice.
@@IBuildIt So what are the new piano black gloss floorstsnding speakers? Now all you need is a decently thick rug to kill some of the floor bounce off of the concrete in front of your listening position. And a miniDSP with DIRAC Live room correction. ;)
Love the "DVD commentary" paired video set. The other video is a fun build video and I like hearing your reasoning for each step in this one. Also, excellent build!
So... fantastic build. Excellent result. And that's not even mentioning the quality of the filming and production. Geez burgers! You got talents sir it's quite a mixed bag, I appreciated all aspects of this project and the documentation of it.
Very helpful. I am about to build some of these for my home recording studio and out of about 20 videos I've watched on how to build them this is the best!
Holy crap! How many different angle shot were in that vid?!?! It definitely makes for a fun vid to watch! Freakin crazy when YT has better videography than HGTV.
I can’t wait to see the room finished. I would love to do a little tour of your basement. I’m a long time viewer on all your channels. I know you’re busy man and you haven’t done any home improvements lately. Still would love to see your progress. Thanks for all the hard work you continue to put into all your videos. Make On Brother. ~Maker 238~
Amazing solution to the cover issue. Cutting that channel is gonna be tricky without that saw and bench though...🤔 Adapted floorboards maybe? Not as cheap but could work?
Fantastic edit on this one, John! Love how the panels turned out! It's crazy that I just build some acoustic panels for my house using rock wool a few weeks back. I wrapped them in walnut and hung them on the wall as art.
I Love the design! That is really cool to see the results improving over time. Please keep these projects coming. I love all your projects, especially the audio projects!
You made a lovely job of those, I had to laugh when you commented on the quality of the plywood because I was thinking that it looked way better than most of the wavy and void filled stuff the stores around me stock.
I would have to hear it in person. :P This entire project is interesting, absolutely. Thank you for taking it to another level. I bet it is going to sound better than I think. I would love to hear an entire movie in a room built like yours is going to be.
Hi john! Ive been a subscriber of yours for quite a while before i knew anything about woodworking. Because of people like you i developped a passion for woodworking and ended up making a career out of it, which is turning out very well so far😇 i wanted to take a moment to thank you for all the effort tou put into your videos. I recently noticed a growing frustration on yourpart regarding some comments and in general the youtube platform. I think people like you are putting great content out and receiving little appraisal for it, considering the effort that is put into it. For that i thank you very much. I thoroughly enjoy your content and hope you keep on with your nice work! (P.S. I really enjoy the audiophile part as well) have a nice day!
Great improvements to the room with the panels. I love the use of splines for the fabric. Will need to play with that on a project I have coming up. By the way, both version of this video, just music and the narrated were great.
John, love the video and use of spline to adhere the fabric. You are a REAL craftsman. How did you make the spline? Did you start with 3/4" solid wood and cut to size with your table saw?
Hi John. Another great vid. The cover photo for the video shows the panels with art on the front. I have been trying to figure out the best way to recover my panels with rocknroll art. How did you do it?
Hi John, just going through some of your videos now. What cloth would you recommend? Any concerns of having rockwool in a home environment? Like your thumbnail I had the idea to fabric print stylised designs on them to add interest. I love the spline fixing and the stands.
John, can you share the angles you used to cut the material for the stands? I'm going to make a set so my panels can be moved around. Also, killer project and great looking video work!
Those stands are awesome. On the front of the stands, how far do the legs extend past the face of the panel? or are they flush? How stable are the panels on those legs?
Being a fellow TH-camr, I really dig your editing (including the clever text fx here and there). I’m definitely gonna try to build similar panels for my current testing home theater build. Thanks!
Thanks. As a result of your shameless self promotion (ribbing you here), I just watched your latest video. Nice work but you did say something toward the end that's not quite accurate with regards to room treatment. Floors are actually the least important and carpet, being thin, will only be effective at absorbing the highest frequencies. And it's the highest frequencies you need to be careful with in a treated room, to maintain some "liveness". The best place to put as much real treatment (thick absorption, not thin foam) as you can is the ceiling, then the corners and first reflection points. And then measuring is important to get an accurate read on what the treatment is doing - a reality check to show that a little doesn't go a long way, especially when you are dealing with low frequencies.
@@IBuildIt Thank you! Yeah, I’ve since taken down the foam I already had in my possession because it just didn’t do much. Thus began my search for a good DIY acoustic panel. 😁 With that being said, my theater is only 11 feet wide, so I don’t actually have a lot of room on the sides. Building panels exactly like yours in the video would take up a lot of valuable real estate. If you were to make a similar panel - but thinner - would you still use rock wool, or another type of insulation that’s more dense? I can make the ceiling panels thick, but not so much on the sides. Any suggestions on modifying your original plans to accommodate that? (Maybe we should just chat over Zoom one of these days…😄)
I don't do Zoom or anything live, since I've determined that's a trap that I'm likely to fall into and thus degrade my future content production. You can make the panels thinner for the sides, but they lose effectiveness for lower frequencies. 4" would be the minimum - thinner than that and it's simply not worth the time, money and effort. Also the gap away from the wall boosts effectiveness by quite a lot - almost as much as adding that much thickness in fiber. From my research (i'm not an expert) I've found that there isn't much of a difference as far as density goes, so rockwool will be about the best for a freestanding panel. It comes down to thickness and area covered to put a big enough dent in the lower frequencies that are the number one problem with small rooms.
@@IBuildIt Ah, okay. Good to know! What are your thoughts on dense foam wedge bass traps in each corner of the room? (I have a few of those leftover from my music mixing days, too)
My opinion is that much of that foam stuff is decoration first, placebo second and acoustic treatment third. A good channel to check out for this stuff that accurate is this one: th-cam.com/users/AcousticsInsider His older videos especially. One to avoid is this one: th-cam.com/users/Acousticfields101 Some of what he says is true, but a lot isn't. There is a ton of bad info out there on this topic.
Excellent built. I have seen that plaster board exists with specific holes in it ( various diameters and shapes for different frequency damping). Could these be used in movable panels for the same reason? I am thinking something like a base on rollers to move them out of the way when not needed.
Wow, I’ve been making panels since the beginning of CoVid as a side hustle. These designs are next level though 🔥. How long did the entire process take it on average how long does would each one take to complete from start to finish? Beautiful job man
I just subscribed and getting caught up, just love this video content. If I may, where did you get your artwork for your panels and how was the art work incorporated? Thank you, Chris
Very nice design! The fabric attachment is sweet. Another approach can elevate performance up a few notches; implementation of a frame design whereby the all six surfaces of the panel are open, ie., leaving as much total area permeable and thus increasing absorption effectiveness regardless of angle of incidence. I've seen before/after measurement comparisons and with nice thick panels such as these the ∆ was more than one would think. I believe it's ~80% more permeable area with a wall mounted 6" panel. Your design with the spline keeper for the material is beautifully elegant ... and that renders what I'm referring to as a non-starter. I've never seen that approach, and I can't say that very often!
Hey John, would inserting these panels into a drop ceiling have any effect on improving sound quality for a home theater? or even just a living room with TV
Thanks for the video. Can you post the REW .mdat file? It is to see the RT60 ( Topt, T20, T30 ), ETC, Filtered IR before and with acoustic treatment. What wool do you use as padding for the panels? It is to see the value of the passage of the air flow. written with translator Greetings
Thanks Mark. Although it's not finished, I've been using it for the past few days and the experience it's giving is well worth the time, money and effort I've put into it so far. Hard to believe that there would be that much of a difference.
In the measurements at the end, the "Untreated room" shows the room before I did any work in there. That was the room before I started, not before I added these panels, and shows the overall progress up to now.
As you are in USA, can you try acoustic fields open cell foam, (they offer free return)? Their founder, youtuber Dennis Foley told it is better for voice.
@@adelkharisov I'm not in the US, but I'm very familiar with Acoustic Fields. Dennis is selling room treatment products, so of course he's going to say the stuff he sells is better, and his foam is better for voice.
@@IBuildIt
So what are the new piano black gloss floorstsnding speakers?
Now all you need is a decently thick rug to kill some of the floor bounce off of the concrete in front of your listening position. And a miniDSP with DIRAC Live room correction. ;)
@@bbfoto7248 Dirac live is overrated if you are good at doing it manually/DIY
Hey John do you have the measurements for the stands you made for them?
Wow, I'm impressed that you built everything in the shop, including the table saw!
Older video I know, but these are the best looking absorption panels I’ve ever seen. Including the professional options. Nicely done! I’m envious.
That wool sliding in there looked so satisfying
Like the narration because that's where the gold is! Details you give from your experience
You are a real craft man . Enjoy seeing this !
Love the "DVD commentary" paired video set. The other video is a fun build video and I like hearing your reasoning for each step in this one. Also, excellent build!
John, I can watch this over and over again. Beautiful job and technique.
Wow, those before and after measurements are more dramatic than I was expecting. Nice one!
I really like these. It was a really nice use of splines to fit the fabric.
Awesome work, I would buy these in a heartbeat!
Dang, you definitely chose "Expert mode" for these panels lol they came out looking great!
You did the cleanest job for sure.
Yup, liked it shot in your traditional manner too!
Excellent video. I would love to sit in this room when you finish and listen to some music. I bet it's going to be incredible.
Uncle Remus said, Cool...thanks for sharing.
So... fantastic build. Excellent result. And that's not even mentioning the quality of the filming and production. Geez burgers! You got talents sir it's quite a mixed bag, I appreciated all aspects of this project and the documentation of it.
This is the first video I watched of yours and I subscribed because I like your consistent logic and reasoning.
Very helpful. I am about to build some of these for my home recording studio and out of about 20 videos I've watched on how to build them this is the best!
I had never though of using splines, nice :)
When you hammered in that piece of wood to tighten the fabric… Oh my god, so neat.
Holy crap! How many different angle shot were in that vid?!?! It definitely makes for a fun vid to watch! Freakin crazy when YT has better videography than HGTV.
wow, those look amazing!
Really nice wood work and beautiful design. Specially liked that canvas fixing details.
The best I've seen until now!! Very well made!! Unfortunately you don't live in Brazil, so I can't buy it for you. Congrats!!
I can’t wait to see the room finished. I would love to do a little tour of your basement. I’m a long time viewer on all your channels. I know you’re busy man and you haven’t done any home improvements lately. Still would love to see your progress. Thanks for all the hard work you continue to put into all your videos. Make On Brother. ~Maker 238~
Wow… your wood working, channel and info on it is amazing! 👏
(Just discovered it)
I love how everything's made of wood. Even the mic boom arm. lol
Amazing solution to the cover issue. Cutting that channel is gonna be tricky without that saw and bench though...🤔 Adapted floorboards maybe? Not as cheap but could work?
Nice work on the frames. I've replaced a few window screens, hadn't thought about the fastening method being used elsewhere.......until now. ;-)
Fantastic edit on this one, John! Love how the panels turned out! It's crazy that I just build some acoustic panels for my house using rock wool a few weeks back. I wrapped them in walnut and hung them on the wall as art.
Thanks! I saw that video and liked the results. You deserve more views on your very well made videos.
@@IBuildIt Thanks so much, John! I want more views. ha ha
@@BruceAUlrich You just earned another one today! I checked out your channel and you content is A+
@@kerbyfab Thank you!
I Love the design! That is really cool to see the results improving over time. Please keep these projects coming. I love all your projects, especially the audio projects!
top notch craft !
John, where have you been all my audiophile life? Awesome channel, including excellent video production!
Beautiful work my friend!
Both versions of the video were great and i enjoyed them both!!
Wow you did a wonderful job, everything came out perfect thx for sharing. Scot M.
so beautiful.
You made a lovely job of those, I had to laugh when you commented on the quality of the plywood because I was thinking that it looked way better than most of the wavy and void filled stuff the stores around me stock.
Always a pleasure watching your videos!!!!!
Awesome .. Boards like this really do work better than expected. 👍👍
Hmmmm wishing I saw this one week ago! I love the way you secured the fabric. Too bad I'm half way done.
I would have to hear it in person. :P This entire project is interesting, absolutely. Thank you for taking it to another level. I bet it is going to sound better than I think. I would love to hear an entire movie in a room built like yours is going to be.
Looks really nice
Hi john! Ive been a subscriber of yours for quite a while before i knew anything about woodworking. Because of people like you i developped a passion for woodworking and ended up making a career out of it, which is turning out very well so far😇 i wanted to take a moment to thank you for all the effort tou put into your videos. I recently noticed a growing frustration on yourpart regarding some comments and in general the youtube platform. I think people like you are putting great content out and receiving little appraisal for it, considering the effort that is put into it. For that i thank you very much. I thoroughly enjoy your content and hope you keep on with your nice work! (P.S. I really enjoy the audiophile part as well) have a nice day!
Okay, have now seen them both - totally different "felling" to the vids even though the film is the same. Interesting.
Like them both
Thank you agian,
Great improvements to the room with the panels. I love the use of splines for the fabric. Will need to play with that on a project I have coming up. By the way, both version of this video, just music and the narrated were great.
John, love the video and use of spline to adhere the fabric. You are a REAL craftsman. How did you make the spline? Did you start with 3/4" solid wood and cut to size with your table saw?
god those are beautiful panels
I see you are in canada. your crafting is amazing. would you craft that for a fellow canadian that want to have a nice home studio ;)
Hi John. Another great vid. The cover photo for the video shows the panels with art on the front. I have been trying to figure out the best way to recover my panels with rocknroll art. How did you do it?
Hi John, just going through some of your videos now. What cloth would you recommend? Any concerns of having rockwool in a home environment? Like your thumbnail I had the idea to fabric print stylised designs on them to add interest. I love the spline fixing and the stands.
Nice! Where did you get these stands to make them freestanding? They look great!
Very nice clever unique love it
I’d love to know how you made those beautiful stands!
I think you should start make a business with these panels they are perfect impeccable quality
Very nice. And good results.
If one have holes in the sides theyd get even better damping from the panels if placed freestanding
John, can you share the angles you used to cut the material for the stands? I'm going to make a set so my panels can be moved around. Also, killer project and great looking video work!
i just watched this and the techno version. kudos. very cool.
I love the idea of using splines! You leave the wood exposed for a classier look. (makes mental note for next set of panels)
Awesome! Thank you.
Those stands are awesome. On the front of the stands, how far do the legs extend past the face of the panel? or are they flush? How stable are the panels on those legs?
good work 😀❤️
Nice work! What fabric did you use?
these are great. i want more!
Thank you for your video. What is rockwool density you use?
I really like these videos. Please keep making them.
Thanks? Why do they do it in seperated modules? Seems like you'd want all the walls covered? Maybe not - I don't know so I'm asking.
Did you make your stands or do you have a link for them? Thanks a lot.
Great job, thanks for your videos
functional and beautiful :)
good job beau travaille j, aime se que tu fait
Very nice. Is rockwool better than fiberglass? should I use rockwool vs fiberglass for sound absorption panels?
Thank you
Do you have a link to the Rockwool you used? This looks like more than 3 1/2" thick.
Why plywood instead of furring strips? Just curious. About to venture into building my own. Most worried about warped wood
Seeing this 47Hz sticking out of the waterfall, I guess your next project will be a Helmholtz resonator
Being a fellow TH-camr, I really dig your editing (including the clever text fx here and there). I’m definitely gonna try to build similar panels for my current testing home theater build. Thanks!
Thanks. As a result of your shameless self promotion (ribbing you here), I just watched your latest video. Nice work but you did say something toward the end that's not quite accurate with regards to room treatment. Floors are actually the least important and carpet, being thin, will only be effective at absorbing the highest frequencies. And it's the highest frequencies you need to be careful with in a treated room, to maintain some "liveness".
The best place to put as much real treatment (thick absorption, not thin foam) as you can is the ceiling, then the corners and first reflection points.
And then measuring is important to get an accurate read on what the treatment is doing - a reality check to show that a little doesn't go a long way, especially when you are dealing with low frequencies.
@@IBuildIt Thank you! Yeah, I’ve since taken down the foam I already had in my possession because it just didn’t do much. Thus began my search for a good DIY acoustic panel. 😁
With that being said, my theater is only 11 feet wide, so I don’t actually have a lot of room on the sides. Building panels exactly like yours in the video would take up a lot of valuable real estate. If you were to make a similar panel - but thinner - would you still use rock wool, or another type of insulation that’s more dense? I can make the ceiling panels thick, but not so much on the sides. Any suggestions on modifying your original plans to accommodate that? (Maybe we should just chat over Zoom one of these days…😄)
I don't do Zoom or anything live, since I've determined that's a trap that I'm likely to fall into and thus degrade my future content production.
You can make the panels thinner for the sides, but they lose effectiveness for lower frequencies. 4" would be the minimum - thinner than that and it's simply not worth the time, money and effort. Also the gap away from the wall boosts effectiveness by quite a lot - almost as much as adding that much thickness in fiber.
From my research (i'm not an expert) I've found that there isn't much of a difference as far as density goes, so rockwool will be about the best for a freestanding panel.
It comes down to thickness and area covered to put a big enough dent in the lower frequencies that are the number one problem with small rooms.
@@IBuildIt Ah, okay. Good to know! What are your thoughts on dense foam wedge bass traps in each corner of the room? (I have a few of those leftover from my music mixing days, too)
My opinion is that much of that foam stuff is decoration first, placebo second and acoustic treatment third.
A good channel to check out for this stuff that accurate is this one: th-cam.com/users/AcousticsInsider
His older videos especially.
One to avoid is this one: th-cam.com/users/Acousticfields101
Some of what he says is true, but a lot isn't. There is a ton of bad info out there on this topic.
Excellent built. I have seen that plaster board exists with specific holes in it ( various diameters and shapes for different frequency damping). Could these be used in movable panels for the same reason? I am thinking something like a base on rollers to move them out of the way when not needed.
Wow, I’ve been making panels since the beginning of CoVid as a side hustle. These designs are next level though 🔥. How long did the entire process take it on average how long does would each one take to complete from start to finish? Beautiful job man
anywhere i can find more detail on your method for cutting the joints and grooves?
Did you really get those album covers on the fabric? If so how?
I just subscribed and getting caught up, just love this video content. If I may, where did you get your artwork for your panels and how was the art work incorporated? Thank you, Chris
Beautiful. At 6:41 what's being plotted on the y-axis where it shows a peak between 30 and 40hz?
Is the fabric you're using an acoustic transparent cloth?
Very nice design!
The fabric attachment is sweet.
Another approach can elevate performance up a few notches; implementation of a frame design whereby the all six surfaces of the panel are open, ie., leaving as much total area permeable and thus increasing absorption effectiveness regardless of angle of incidence.
I've seen before/after measurement comparisons and with nice thick panels such as these the ∆ was more than one would think.
I believe it's ~80% more permeable area with a wall mounted 6" panel.
Your design with the spline keeper for the material is beautifully elegant ... and that renders what I'm referring to as a non-starter.
I've never seen that approach, and I can't say that very often!
Hey John, would inserting these panels into a drop ceiling have any effect on improving sound quality for a home theater? or even just a living room with TV
You are handling rockwool with bare hands !!! ? 😳😳 didn't you suffered itching and allergy after that ?
Tava sumido, que bom que apareceu
Just feeding the Google(TH-cam) overlords by commenting. Love your stuff John!
очень серьезное решение и очень аккуратная работа. лайк
Where can I buy some quality panels like yours?
Could you use the spline technique to make your own studio fabric wall?
Thanks for the video.
Can you post the REW .mdat file?
It is to see the RT60 ( Topt, T20, T30 ), ETC, Filtered IR before and with acoustic treatment.
What wool do you use as padding for the panels?
It is to see the value of the passage of the air flow.
written with translator
Greetings
Can you stuff rockwool in the back of paintings to get a similar (obviously smaller) effect?
what kind of fabric is this that you use
Claro con todas las herramientas que tiene se puede hacer
Rock wool rules for broad band attenuaation. Better than just about everything else. Nice to see your progress John.
Thanks Mark. Although it's not finished, I've been using it for the past few days and the experience it's giving is well worth the time, money and effort I've put into it so far. Hard to believe that there would be that much of a difference.
badass!!!
Show us how to make the stand please 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Two questions John
Is the sound better to you ears and what do you listen to?