The main reason why the K was discontinued was because it was under used and would only run weekday only, No Late night nor weekend service, there was just no use for it just like the Z or the 9 trains.
@@believer5497 How am I wrong tho the K was very confusing and barely anyone knew about it because of its bad schedules and low rider ship ON BOTH BMT Eastern AND 8th av and as YOU had mentioned the worse of the R1/9 fleet back in the 60's/70's the Nassu/6th av was never the JJ since the line in BMT Eastern WAS Cut Back it didn't run to canarsie and the 6th av K Train was replaced by the (F) PLUS AFTER the 63rd St tunnel opened F trains where ABLE to go to 21st St then after the F was cut back in 2000's B and Orange Q trains went to Queensbridge 21st and then B trains were sent to 145 to Brighton while Orange Q and F trains served the station. Now the TRUE K line (Don't say I'm lying) Ran from 168th S to Hudson Terminal Now Chambers St-WTC DURING the Mid 80's the MTA was going through a Capital Money Crisis due to Graffiti which cost the MTA a fortune to get trains Cleaned. The C on the other hand keep't Running on 8th av, the C REPLACED the K train due to the MTA making Plans for route switching (Later on the B and C would switch Their Northbound Terminals) which since the line ran rom 145th St (Bedford Pk Rush Hours) to Euclid av as it HAS been SINCE 1948 the E was cut back to WTC to do service TO Jamaica Parson Archer which OPENED in 1988 so MTA discontinued the K service due to Budget Cuts.
@@BronXLimitedIf you ask me, I think the (K) will come back as the (A) train, provided if one of the CPW deinterlining plans is proposed, with (C) trains ending there too. Then, the (E) and a new (K) train would take over those two routes at Fulton Street instead.
The AA (later K) was an oddity in that it did not run during rush hours. During rush hours, AA service was replaced by the BB (later B) from 168th Street to 34th St-6th Avenue (later Coney Island-West End) and the CC from Bedford Park Blvd-Concourse to Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal (later Rockaway Park)
I saw a fan fic proposal of rebranding the K to the cross town line, where it would branch off Bed-Nos Avs along the Prospect Shuttle to Brighton Beach. I do not know if that is a good idea, but it looked cool though!!
There are many now long defunct double letter subway lines; one was the Rockaways HH; another the mostly forgotten "TT" (don't remember its exact route), dropped in the late 1960s, possibly due to weird, uncomfortable or just plain humorous conversational issues when mentioning or giving directions to someone to take this line, e.g., "take the A to Columbus Circle and then take a TT," and so on...think about it.
There was a "K" train that ran from 168st down to the WTC as a 8Ave Local where it shared the terminal with the "E" train.It replaced the "AA" train in the mid 80's when the MTA dropped the Double Letter Local designation .
I used to ride the AA and K trains from 168th Street for most of my youth. The rush hour B (diamond) train also used to terminate at the 168th Street station, so at one time, 8th Avenue used to have 3 local lines running from 145th Street to 59th Street.
Now, the real questions would be... Is it worth converting Woodhaven Blvd into an Express Stop? Ofc it is worth it, that station gets packed AF during rush hours, especially those who get off of the Q52/53 SBS from the Rockaways
I remember back in the early 80's with the double letter designations on the 8th Ave, two Puerto Rican ladies asking "did the ci ci Loco come yet?"....miss the old days.
I like that you are going to try to do more history. You should draw inspiration from Jago Hazard. I have never lived in London but know all about it’s rails thanks to his amazing videos. Maybe instead of tales from the tube you could start stories of the subway or something, either way please don’t stop creating content on these important topics
Kids don't know anything. LOL. The KK was on the R27/30 rollsigns labeled as the Nassau st line. It was the BMT 14 service,that operated various times during the day. When Chrystie st first opened after Thanksgiving 1967,the line was named JJ and provided rush hour service from Canarsie or Cresent st to Canal st. It replaced the QJ during the late evening nights and weekends. This went on until the second portion of the Chrystie st subway opened in 1968. Again,the JJ and the filler route RJ,were discontinued. The new KK line was sent uptown to Midtown, along with opening of the new 57th st station. The KK operated 6Am to 10 am..230 pm to 630 pm between 168th st,Atlantic Ave or Eastern Parkway. This service was well used at first..however it's downfall was many factors, ALL the fault of the MTA. The rush hour only option didn't address the crowds at Delaney st,nor the need for all day service that pretty obvious from the beginning. The line was also assigned the very worst of the R1/9 cars..often late..often broken down..often used to make service for the F line when something went wrong. When the 1972 service changes kicked in January of 73,the M was sent to Coney Island, replacing the QJ,which was cut back to its original terminal at Broad st,then renamed J... The KK was also cut back to Eastern Parkway, and renamed K. The K service didn't improve, and since the city was looking for any excuse to cut service where ever they could, the K ,EE GG and other routes were on the chopping block. The reason the TA gave was "low ridership ",and that August of 1976,the K was discontinued. An full analysis was done,showing the MTA reasons were in error,and the TA brushed it aside. The real reasons were as followed. The MTA wanted to "reduce its overall responsibility" and planned to remove most elevated rail lines,or.reduce services. The lines were intentionally operated with substandard equipment, suffering from lack of maintenance. While air conditioning was available for some routes, none were operated on the K. The service was operated in such a dismal manner, it practically chased away ridership. Late trains,trains not showing up for intervels...train being taken out of service for very minor reasons...or displaced to pick up the slack in F service. This caused havoc along the Eastern Division When presented with this, the MTA immediately denied sabotaging the line. Nothing came of it,and the service along the Eastern Division only got worse. At this time, the MTA was trying to finish its new route plan. All routes were "under deferred construction ",meaning even the lines being worked on halted all work,so a study could be done to see if some cost could be cut. The MTA couldn't follow through with its plans to remove El lines..but Did remove some,promising to replace them with subways. That never happened. The 8th Avenue K was a rebranding of the AA local It operated at all times,until 1977,when night service was discontinued. The MTA wanted to eliminate double letters for route names.,and since they couldn't use A for the local 8th Avenue line,they chose K. The service didn't change. In 1988,the 8th Avenue, Fulton st service changed, with the opening of the Archer Avenue subway. The K was merged with the new C 8th Avenuelocal, that now became an all day route, operating between the new 145th st terminal, and Euclid Ave or Rockaway Park weekdays. Evenings and weekends, the line operated like the old K line. No night service. Today, the M line had replaced the K line on 6th Avenue, and has been a hit with riders ever since 2010.
I thought was going to talk about the k train running on the lower 3rd level in its own track. We used to go down there and play as kids before the completely covered the abandon stations up.
If the K train were to come back, they would have to construct the Utica Avenue line. The K would be running express along CPW, 8th Avenue, and Utica Avenue. They would also have the V return to serve the local stations along Utica Avenue (and run along 63rd Street instead of 53rd, which will be handled by the F), and the M would be rerouted along the majority of Phase 3 of the 2nd Avenue line, with the T, but after 55th Street will run with the V along 63rd Street towards Forest Hills-71st Avenue. In addition, the J will be extended during rush hours along the pre-2010 M rush hour route to Bay Parkway, running local with the R and along West End with the D, and the Z will be eliminated entirely. The G will still terminate at Court Square all times, but might one day be extended along Northern Boulevard towards Cross Island Parkway. That’s what I believe will happen if the K were to return.
The K to 168 Jamaica to 57th Street was the best version that was implemented. It served a much larger purpose than it should have at the time. Because it offered no real advantage than the current J service except it was a one seat ride into midtown. There's was no skip stop service as we know it today as the J/Z lines. Eventually we got 2 "B" services out of this, which at the time made more sense. Than the AA becoming the K, because of transit officials switching away from Double letters. The double letters signified local service. Single letter was express. But both the Single letter "N" and double GG (14) served as local via Queens Blvd local. So the redundancy needed to be corrected. The AA ran outside rush hours, which was how we got the two "B" services. It ran only 4 60 ft cars , while everyone ran 8/10 cars depending on model cars. It was definitely a service reduction from what we had than and what we have today. We got 8 60ft cars with the K before the B and C was put in as all day services. And full C service eventually led to A being express in Brooklyn beyond rush hours. I know this because during this time, I lived in the Rockaways or lefferts Blvd area. It was quite common for a train to take nearly two hours to get to a destination. Almost as long as a flight half way across the country. But at least living between the "A" and "J", I had better opportunities. "A" train during the morning rush, because it ran express and I could get a seat. But if I was working late, it was the E to the J. The walk was a little longer because I lived at 117 Street and 97 Street not 121st Street. And there was a paid entrance at 117th Street. So I would wait for the uptown E train instead of the Downtown A train.
I don't think k train might not return for new jamaican center but because traffic many train in queen blvid line because there no spaces for future K line.
I couldn’t help but notice how detailed the open bve gameplay is in that when you were pulling out of 42nd street and rolling into 34th street, you can notice the track from the 42nd st lower level coming up and merging with the express track just outside of 34th. The fact that the track is severed in part is really detailed as well. I always thought the E should be express down its portion on 8th avenue to truly live up to being the homeless EXPRESS. I will also say that the 8th avenue express service after 59th street going downtown feels kinda useless. I have the philosophy that express stop gaps should be at least 2 stations.
I always wondered why they didn’t use the K for skip/stop service along the J. Being that is where it was originally assigned. K makes more sense to me because it already had history along the J line. Maybe they didn’t want to confuse people with the 8th Avenue - K that was just discontinued.
You missed the 1963 to 1965 run of the KK from Canarsie to Canal Street rush hours only. The JJ also ran rush hours Canal Street to 168th Street. After 1965, the KK was discontinued and only the JJ ran - to either 168th Street or to Crescent Avenue. In 1967, the JJ ceased operation and was replaced by the RJ. The RJ ran for only 10 months, and was replaced in 1968 by the KK, which ran from 168th street to 57th Street, after the 57th street station opened. In 1972, the KK was shorted to "K", and finally it was discontinued in 1976. At the time, it had been shortened to Eastern Parkway, I believe.
Here a idea A new train line would be built via northern blvd line it would run up to Whitestone expressway then it will be connected to a new 68th tunnel this train shall be known as the K train the G train would also be extended there the station it will serve Murray street Parsons Blvd Whitestone Expressway 112 st 104 st Junction blvd 85 st 74 st Broadway northern blvd Sunnyside 39 street 39th Avenue Dutch kills 21st street queensbridge
They can bring back the K train by renaming one of the A trains services to Lefferts Blvd. or Far Rockaway trains in queens. Because that’s confusing with the A Train going to both areas. Name one of them the K Train to keep things simple. maybe the K train can be Lefferts A train to align with the E and J train at Jamaica Station in queens.
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@@MysticTransit Thanks, Mystic. I always found the 57th St/6th Ave stop strange. Where was that tunnel leading to after 57th Street? Queens? Second Avenue line?
@@MysticTransit I remember reading in a national magazine about the 63rd Street tunnel being opened under the East River and it carried what was then the QB line from the Sixth Avenue Subway. Now the Q line runs from the Broadway Subway to the Second Avenue Subway. Not the same line at all.
The real K train from 1930's was the Was the AA and in 1985 the MTA had made it the K . But in the late 1960's to late 1970's the the K Train went along the J train line 168 st Jamaica to 57 6ave. M had took over for the K train about 25 years later . The M use the Chirste Street Street connection to B'Way Laffate st Manhattan But instead of Going to Jamaica. The M/K gose to Metro ave
The K should've stayed eastern division. Unpopular opinion, but actually makes sense once you really look at it. And yeah, world trade center is really something. Spent most of this week tryna figure out the whole configuration with the A,C, and E
I would not because the NYC subway is already confusing for outsiders, why make it more confusing. Im a NYer so Ive memorized the entire map, but I still would not want double letters
@@DBSGEEK7 How wud it be confusing? I grew up in that era. The (C) wud go back to (CC). The G, L & R wud go back to (GG) (LL) & (RR). The routes will remain the same there would be no confusion once they get used to this it'll be a normal thing again. Think of how I had to get used of the single letters when they were dropped. It would be slightly confusing to the new generation who never saw the double letters. But the routes will be the same and the color code would be the same just a double letter. That wouldn't be confusing at all. Changing the routes and rerouting lines & changing the station names is confusing.
"the double K without the 3rd letter" nice one mystic.
heh.
@@MysticTransit cant believe this nigga took my joke
@@843Reboot lol
I see what you did there..... LOL
@Tigger Official My guy you're too young to understand the actual meaning of the joke
The main reason why the K was discontinued was because it was under used and would only run weekday only, No Late night nor weekend service, there was just no use for it just like the Z or the 9 trains.
Wrong.
@@believer5497 How am I wrong tho the K was very confusing and barely anyone knew about it because of its bad schedules and low rider ship ON BOTH BMT Eastern AND 8th av and as YOU had mentioned the worse of the R1/9 fleet back in the 60's/70's the Nassu/6th av was never the JJ since the line in BMT Eastern WAS Cut Back it didn't run to canarsie and the 6th av K Train was replaced by the (F) PLUS AFTER the 63rd St tunnel opened F trains where ABLE to go to 21st St then after the F was cut back in 2000's B and Orange Q trains went to Queensbridge 21st and then B trains were sent to 145 to Brighton while Orange Q and F trains served the station. Now the TRUE K line (Don't say I'm lying) Ran from 168th S to Hudson Terminal Now Chambers St-WTC DURING the Mid 80's the MTA was going through a Capital Money Crisis due to Graffiti which cost the MTA a fortune to get trains Cleaned. The C on the other hand keep't Running on 8th av, the C REPLACED the K train due to the MTA making Plans for route switching (Later on the B and C would switch Their Northbound Terminals) which since the line ran rom 145th St (Bedford Pk Rush Hours) to Euclid av as it HAS been SINCE 1948 the E was cut back to WTC to do service TO Jamaica Parson Archer which OPENED in 1988 so MTA discontinued the K service due to Budget Cuts.
@@believer5497 the B replaces the C on concourse
The C replaces the E but this time runs Fulton local as well
The E runs to World Trade Center
@@BronXLimitedIf you ask me, I think the (K) will come back as the (A) train, provided if one of the CPW deinterlining plans is proposed, with (C) trains ending there too. Then, the (E) and a new (K) train would take over those two routes at Fulton Street instead.
The K line was basically the C via E
A short turn C
A deinterliner's classic…
wrong. it was a mix of the C and E, not a C via E
The AA (later K) was an oddity in that it did not run during rush hours. During rush hours, AA service was replaced by the BB (later B) from 168th Street to 34th St-6th Avenue (later Coney Island-West End) and the CC from Bedford Park Blvd-Concourse to Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal (later Rockaway Park)
Lived here all my life and this is the first time I’m hearing about a K line? Go figure. Knew about the E , A, AA, B, BB C, D trains…
Far out!👍🏽🤯🤣
All I ever took of the double letters- as far as I know,was the RR. I was too young then to remember what else.
There was a cc kk ee jj mm and mj
I once took a J or Z train from Brooklyn that somehow became a K train by the time I got to Jamaica Center.
I saw a fan fic proposal of rebranding the K to the cross town line, where it would branch off Bed-Nos Avs along the Prospect Shuttle to Brighton Beach. I do not know if that is a good idea, but it looked cool though!!
There are many now long defunct double letter subway lines; one was the Rockaways HH; another the mostly forgotten "TT" (don't remember its exact route), dropped in the late 1960s, possibly due to weird, uncomfortable or just plain humorous conversational issues when mentioning or giving directions to someone to take this line, e.g., "take the A to Columbus Circle and then take a TT," and so on...think about it.
TT was the pre- Chrystie west end local
I think the weird part was that the K train only ran through one borough when every other line ran through at least two
Or three
There was a "K" train that ran from 168st down to the WTC as a 8Ave Local where it shared the terminal with the "E" train.It replaced the "AA" train in the mid 80's when the MTA dropped the Double Letter Local designation .
so practically useless
Pretty much was when they had the "C" & "E" local along 8Av anyways just like the "V" 6Av local was in the 2000's
I love your page and watching your videos. Keep up the good work.
I used to ride the AA and K trains from 168th Street for most of my youth. The rush hour B (diamond) train also used to terminate at the 168th Street station, so at one time, 8th Avenue used to have 3 local lines running from 145th Street to 59th Street.
You should do a video "Should Woodhaven Blvd-Slattery Plaza be an accessible station?"
Any answer but yes is ridiculous due to the sheer number of bus routes that dump passengers there
Now, the real questions would be...
Is it worth converting Woodhaven Blvd into an Express Stop?
Ofc it is worth it, that station gets packed AF during rush hours, especially those who get off of the Q52/53 SBS from the Rockaways
@@DBSGEEK7 I agree
Yes. Like all station should be.
I remember back in the early 80's with the double letter designations on the 8th Ave, two Puerto Rican ladies asking "did the ci ci Loco come yet?"....miss the old days.
I like that you are going to try to do more history. You should draw inspiration from Jago Hazard. I have never lived in London but know all about it’s rails thanks to his amazing videos. Maybe instead of tales from the tube you could start stories of the subway or something, either way please don’t stop creating content on these important topics
Jago Hazzard*
A line ran all the time and was local btw 207 and Hudson Terminal late nights. AA didn’t run late nights.
WTC station sounds like the New York equivalent of London's Bank/Monument station.
I remember when it was the “KK” and it ran in Brooklyn via Broadway and over the Williamsburg Bridge.
you should make a vid about the old ninth ave line and both the Anderson-Jerome, and Sedgwick Avenue stops.
Killer K. 4 roundtrips.
LOL so many puns so little time !
for Kardashians Klan of course
I think you should make a video about WTC
Kids don't know anything.
LOL.
The KK was on the R27/30 rollsigns labeled as the Nassau st line.
It was the BMT 14 service,that operated various times during the day.
When Chrystie st first opened after Thanksgiving 1967,the line was named JJ and provided rush hour service from Canarsie or Cresent st to Canal st.
It replaced the QJ during the late evening nights and weekends.
This went on until the second portion of the Chrystie st subway opened in 1968.
Again,the JJ and the filler route RJ,were discontinued.
The new KK line was sent uptown to Midtown, along with opening of the new 57th st station.
The KK operated 6Am to 10 am..230 pm to 630 pm between 168th st,Atlantic Ave or Eastern Parkway.
This service was well used at first..however it's downfall was many factors, ALL the fault of the MTA.
The rush hour only option didn't address the crowds at Delaney st,nor the need for all day service that pretty obvious from the beginning.
The line was also assigned the very worst of the R1/9 cars..often late..often broken down..often used to make service for the F line when something went wrong.
When the 1972 service changes kicked in January of 73,the M was sent to Coney Island, replacing the QJ,which was cut back to its original terminal at Broad st,then renamed J...
The KK was also cut back to Eastern Parkway, and renamed K.
The K service didn't improve, and since the city was looking for any excuse to cut service where ever they could, the K ,EE GG and other routes were on the chopping block.
The reason the TA gave was "low ridership ",and that August of 1976,the K was discontinued.
An full analysis was done,showing the MTA reasons were in error,and the TA brushed it aside.
The real reasons were as followed.
The MTA wanted to "reduce its overall responsibility" and planned to remove most elevated rail lines,or.reduce services.
The lines were intentionally operated with substandard equipment, suffering from lack of maintenance.
While air conditioning was available for some routes, none were operated on the K.
The service was operated in such a dismal manner, it practically chased away ridership.
Late trains,trains not showing up for intervels...train being taken out of service for very minor reasons...or displaced to pick up the slack in F service.
This caused havoc along the Eastern Division
When presented with this, the MTA immediately denied sabotaging the line.
Nothing came of it,and the service along the Eastern Division only got worse.
At this time, the MTA was trying to finish its new route plan.
All routes were "under deferred construction ",meaning even the lines being worked on halted all work,so a study could be done to see if some cost could be cut.
The MTA couldn't follow through with its plans to remove El lines..but Did remove some,promising to replace them with subways.
That never happened.
The 8th Avenue K was a rebranding of the AA local
It operated at all times,until 1977,when night service was discontinued.
The MTA wanted to eliminate double letters for route names.,and since they couldn't use A for the local 8th Avenue line,they chose K.
The service didn't change.
In 1988,the 8th Avenue, Fulton st service changed, with the opening of the Archer Avenue subway.
The K was merged with the new C 8th Avenuelocal, that now became an all day route, operating between the new 145th st terminal, and Euclid Ave or Rockaway Park weekdays.
Evenings and weekends, the line operated like the old K line. No night service.
Today, the M line had replaced the K line on 6th Avenue, and has been a hit with riders ever since 2010.
Wasn't the BMT Eastern Pkwy station the 12 line terminus back in the early days.
I thought was going to talk about the k train running on the lower 3rd level in its own track. We used to go down there and play as kids before the completely covered the abandon stations up.
That intro got me hooked ngl
I remember the KK train when they ran to Jamaica, Queens. The TA used those old clunker cars that dated back to the 1930's.
Only reason the K and C were both needed was to serve 50th upper level
A history of shuttles would also be great!
Cortland street along the 1 line is also historic so don’t forget to mention that just a tip. Love your vids
Hell i proposed reactivating it to send it to lefferts to replace the A to far rock/jfk
the thumbnail had me clicking 5 times
The World Trade Center station is definitely interesting.
They Need To Bring The K train Back on Eighth Avenue Line in The Future extending it to From The Bronx Bedford Park Blvd to Church Ave Brooklyn.
Oh, I like this idea!
If the K train were to come back, they would have to construct the Utica Avenue line. The K would be running express along CPW, 8th Avenue, and Utica Avenue.
They would also have the V return to serve the local stations along Utica Avenue (and run along 63rd Street instead of 53rd, which will be handled by the F), and the M would be rerouted along the majority of Phase 3 of the 2nd Avenue line, with the T, but after 55th Street will run with the V along 63rd Street towards Forest Hills-71st Avenue.
In addition, the J will be extended during rush hours along the pre-2010 M rush hour route to Bay Parkway, running local with the R and along West End with the D, and the Z will be eliminated entirely. The G will still terminate at Court Square all times, but might one day be extended along Northern Boulevard towards Cross Island Parkway.
That’s what I believe will happen if the K were to return.
The K to 168 Jamaica to 57th Street was the best version that was implemented. It served a much larger purpose than it should have at the time. Because it offered no real advantage than the current J service except it was a one seat ride into midtown. There's was no skip stop service as we know it today as the J/Z lines.
Eventually we got 2 "B" services out of this, which at the time made more sense.
Than the AA becoming the K, because of transit officials switching away from Double letters.
The double letters signified local service. Single letter was express.
But both the Single letter "N" and double GG (14) served as local via Queens Blvd local. So the redundancy needed to be corrected.
The AA ran outside rush hours, which was how we got the two "B" services. It ran only 4 60 ft cars , while everyone ran 8/10 cars depending on model cars. It was definitely a service reduction from what we had than and what we have today.
We got 8 60ft cars with the K before the B and C was put in as all day services.
And full C service eventually led to A being express in Brooklyn beyond rush hours.
I know this because during this time, I lived in the Rockaways or lefferts Blvd area. It was quite common for a train to take nearly two hours to get to a destination. Almost as long as a flight half way across the country.
But at least living between the "A" and "J", I had better opportunities. "A" train during the morning rush, because it ran express and I could get a seat. But if I was working late, it was the E to the J. The walk was a little longer because I lived at 117 Street and 97 Street not 121st Street. And there was a paid entrance at 117th Street.
So I would wait for the uptown E train instead of the Downtown A train.
I don't think k train might not return for new jamaican center but because traffic many train in queen blvid line because there no spaces for future K line.
Please do videos on all discontinued lines including the [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [H], [P], [T], [U], [V], [X], [Y], [QB], [QT], & [MJ] trains.
Y'know in my head I imagined the K as the 8th Ave Exp starting in The Bronx with the H and then to B116th
*Tbh that was pretty stupid of me*
The K should go to Jamaica center with the J via E line and the E should go to Jamaica 179 with the F
I couldn’t help but notice how detailed the open bve gameplay is in that when you were pulling out of 42nd street and rolling into 34th street, you can notice the track from the 42nd st lower level coming up and merging with the express track just outside of 34th. The fact that the track is severed in part is really detailed as well. I always thought the E should be express down its portion on 8th avenue to truly live up to being the homeless EXPRESS. I will also say that the 8th avenue express service after 59th street going downtown feels kinda useless. I have the philosophy that express stop gaps should be at least 2 stations.
I always wondered why they didn’t use the K for skip/stop service along the J. Being that is where it was originally assigned. K makes more sense to me because it already had history along the J line. Maybe they didn’t want to confuse people with the 8th Avenue - K that was just discontinued.
Because it’s the Z all over again
You missed the 1963 to 1965 run of the KK from Canarsie to Canal Street rush hours only. The JJ also ran rush hours Canal Street to 168th Street. After 1965, the KK was discontinued and only the JJ ran - to either 168th Street or to Crescent Avenue. In 1967, the JJ ceased operation and was replaced by the RJ. The RJ ran for only 10 months, and was replaced in 1968 by the KK, which ran from 168th street to 57th Street, after the 57th street station opened. In 1972, the KK was shorted to "K", and finally it was discontinued in 1976. At the time, it had been shortened to Eastern Parkway, I believe.
Nice video and explanation, i think the K could be reinstalled but only during the rush times.
I enjoy the historical videos.
This is very sinilar to Welsh. In Welsh, both C and K were used until later when K was dropped in favor of C.
0:18 a dark joke
Here a idea A new train line would be built via northern blvd line it would run up to Whitestone expressway then it will be connected to a new 68th tunnel this train shall be known as the K train the G train would also be extended there the station it will serve
Murray street
Parsons Blvd
Whitestone Expressway 112 st
104 st
Junction blvd
85 st
74 st
Broadway northern blvd
Sunnyside 39 street
39th Avenue Dutch kills
21st street queensbridge
They can bring back the K train by renaming one of the A trains services to Lefferts Blvd. or Far Rockaway trains in queens. Because that’s confusing with the A Train going to both areas. Name one of them the K Train to keep things simple. maybe the K train can be Lefferts A train to align with the E and J train at Jamaica Station in queens.
I agree with that point from World Trade Center.
Do you have any information about the number 8 train or the 3rd Avenue El train in the Bronx?
Okay, nice video
mysticTransit im sorry if i used another r46 that was not mine i just change the truck to make it real i deleted the video
Hey please tell me what simulator you used at 0:52 I want this simulator.
OpenBVE. You can download the game here: openbve-project.net
Here's a link to my team's website, we create NYC Subway content for the game: openbve-project.net
What app/game is that where you're simulating driving the subway train?
Where did yoy get that map of thw KK line showing its original route? Did you make that yourself?
Nope. Here's the link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J/Z_(New_York_City_Subway_service)#/media/File:KK_A_New_Service_Brochure_Map.gif
@@MysticTransit
Thanks, Mystic. I always found the 57th St/6th Ave stop strange. Where was that tunnel leading to after 57th Street? Queens? Second Avenue line?
At the time, it was a terminal.
@@MysticTransit
What is that track leading to now? (I remember it as a terminal because my dentist had his office in the building directly above it.)0
@@MysticTransit I remember reading in a national magazine about the 63rd Street tunnel being opened under the East River and it carried what was then the QB line from the Sixth Avenue Subway. Now the Q line runs from the Broadway Subway to the Second Avenue Subway. Not the same line at all.
What’s the game in the middle portion of the video
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If the K train Went back but it was extended to Coney Island Via Culver Local
The real K train from 1930's was the Was the AA and in 1985 the MTA had made it the K . But in the late 1960's to late 1970's the the K Train went along the J train line 168 st Jamaica to 57 6ave. M had took over for the K train about 25 years later . The M use the Chirste Street Street connection to B'Way Laffate st Manhattan But instead of Going to Jamaica. The M/K gose to Metro ave
Great video
Whatchu mean "the REAL K train"...?
The K should've stayed eastern division. Unpopular opinion, but actually makes sense once you really look at it.
And yeah, world trade center is really something. Spent most of this week tryna figure out the whole configuration with the A,C, and E
I am trying to figure who is the person that built Canal Street in Tribeca, because those track merges ain't great.
what game simulator is that?
We could use the K train 100%
What game is that ?
The 60s and 70s were an absolute mess for MTA Route Designation
I see why they wen from 'KK' to 'the single letter K'
Because some fool can decide fo add one more letter to make it look not so innocent
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U play Hmmsim 2?
Oh the thumbnail is BVE my bad
0:42 uh does this R179 have “history” with someone?
So what were the “Many Purposes”? 🤨🤣
LMAO💀
Clearly @MysticTransit, you aren't old enough to remember this: th-cam.com/video/YTdxdr9pNnw/w-d-xo.html
Even if there was a KKK train it would still be a lot safer and quieter than Those trains.
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I miss the (AA) double letters. If I was transit president I would bring them ALL back .
That's why you're not transit president. 😂
I would not because the NYC subway is already confusing for outsiders, why make it more confusing. Im a NYer so Ive memorized the entire map, but I still would not want double letters
@@DBSGEEK7 How wud it be confusing? I grew up in that era. The (C) wud go back to (CC). The G, L & R wud go back to (GG) (LL) & (RR). The routes will remain the same there would be no confusion once they get used to this it'll be a normal thing again. Think of how I had to get used of the single letters when they were dropped. It would be slightly confusing to the new generation who never saw the double letters. But the routes will be the same and the color code would be the same just a double letter. That wouldn't be confusing at all. Changing the routes and rerouting lines & changing the station names is confusing.