This movie DESERVES to be finished up, with what RICHARD WILLIAMS visioned it, and not how NOT Miramax made it into! In my opinion, this is possibly the #1 movie that actually deserves a remake, if you get my drift. 😁😁😍😍👍
As I said before from the first part, Vincent Price recorded his lines ‘WWAAYY’ before the films release in the 90’s which unfortunately he passed away, A sad day for poor Vincent.
,,And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted nevermore!'' a quote from edgar allan poe from the tim burton short film Vincent dedicated to vincent price (sorry for my english)
Love how you pause the middle of the video to explain Animation mechanics, teaching us about the art and learning something. A lot of people talk endlessly about 2d Animation and praising over CGI.. yet don't know one bit about the work progress other than is made on pencil and paper.
When I studied animation in London a few years back basically every tutor or professional we had had at some point been involved in this production. They brought in their original animations for us to see and their animation drawings are probably the most beautiful I've ever seen but the level of detail where just insane! They also said it was a horried experience at times and to never stay on a project that lasts for longer than a decade. Most loved working on WFRR through!
Absolutely insane is honestly putting it mildly. This movie's animation is so good it literally looks like CGI. I'm not even kidding. It's that smooth.
There's this long shot in the battle seq with a close-up of the thief from behind as he whizzes across the sky, and it didn't really blow me down immediately, but the shot just _kept on going_ as he slowly rotates, and then arrows start flying everywhere, and that's when my breath started being taken.
It just occured to me that Richard Williams is almost like the anti-Ralph Bakshi. What I mean by that is Ralph would go, so I have no budget for steller animation. I'll just use every trick in the book to get by, if my animation is ugly and full of rotoscoping so be it, I just want to tell my story my way. Where as Richard Williams you could argue the reason is a great example of what happens when you get too ambitious for your own good and don't want to face things like budgets and time restraints.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Ralph doesn’t care for animation that goes for perfection like Disney so he probably doesn’t think too highly of Richard.
I know a lot of work goes into making just about any animated film/TV series/short, even the bad ones *coughATrollInCentralParkcough*. But MAN! Just hearing about all the stuff Richard Williams had to go through to fund his passion project, as well as all of the drawings he and his crew had to make for many years, is mind boggling! Speaking of which, I also love how you dedicated a couple of minutes to discuss the different number of frames per second used in animation. It's a nice little addition for Animation Lookback.
8:10 damn right very detailed drawings, and 24 of those drawings per second and it's a Cinemascope Widescreen, no wonder it took 30 years to make this.
Which is why I have a copy of the movie on DVD. I had to dig it up out of the bottomless pit that is the Walmart bargain bin a few years ago to get it but it was totally worth it. It was bundled with several other classic movies including the TV version of A Wrinkle in Time, Never Ending Story 3, two different Hugo movies, but The Thief and the Cobbler is the hidden treasure in the set. It's so beautiful in places and while alot of the songs are kinda forgettable, I really loved the animation and the humor. I actually prefer it to Disney's Aladdin to which it gets compared to as a rip off. News flash idiots: it was in production years before and Disney would be the ones to get there first since they have an endless budget to waste on garbage.
@@chillplayer1234 In my personal opinion it is. I hate it. It's stupid. The songs suck. The main characters suck. The only good thing about it is Robin Williams as the Genie but everything else is garbage, especially the fucking sequels. Jasmine is annoying and is made to be overly sexualized and is way too skinny even by cartoon standards. It's just a terrible movie. I have hated it ever since I seen it in theaters years ago at the tender age of 4...
Too bad it makes the biased claim that only Disney could produce convincing character animation, despite the Warner Brothers cartoons being just as beloved.
Steven & Disney had thoughts of helping Richard out after making Roger Rabbit,but that didn't happen. Disney was more focused on their Disney renaissance and Spielberg went to form the short-lived Amblimation in the UK without helping Richard on his project.
I really like how the soundtrack you've used foreshadows that they worked on "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" a couple of minutes before you clearly mention it. :D
You know if Dick would have just focused on just the film instead of perfectionism, the movie would have been released in 1974 or 1989 or even 1990 and it would have been a box office success!
I agree with you on the first half of your statement, but not on the second: had he managed to get the movie finished, it still wouldn't have been a success. It was too distant from what large audiences liked (i.e. Disney movies). I saw the "Recobbled cut": while some of the animation is mind-blowing, the movie as a whole is boring and unfocused. I think even niche audiences with the proper education to fully understand Williams' technical achievements would've had an hard time calling it an all-around masterpiece. It very likely would've become a cult movie over the years (it kind of did even in its incomplete version), but box office success would've always eluded it.
@@thermonuclearcollider4418 Well I'm guessing that if it was finished in 1985 it would have made $60 million and made it the highest grossing animated film, until The Little Mermaid would break that record, then Beauty and the Beast, then Aladdin, the The Lion King, then Toy Story, then Finding Nemo, then Frozen and so on and so on and so on.
I can't believe Ken Harris passed away while the Thief and the Cobbler was still in production! and to me, he was one the greatest animators who work on the Looney Tunes along with Bob Clampett, Friz Freleng, Robert Mckimson and Chuck Jones!
The more you read about this film's production, the more clear it becomes that Williams really brought the failure on himself. He was clearly more interested in showing off the film's pretty animation than trying to tell a good story, and he added a whole bunch of superfluous details like Zigzag's extra fingers with 25 rings, and his big long feet that curl like party horns. It's impressive, but what's the point?
That IS the point, it is impressive, also it adds to his character. An animated character Is nothing if he doesn't have the animation to back him up or individualize himself from the others.
BlazeHeartPanther Yeah but you can still do that without going over budget or taking twenty years to make a movie. You can still give animating characters character through the animation without being distracted by adding other animation details. Then again, when doing those character animations it's usually planned ahead which Williams didn't. He didn't even do storyboards until twenty-five years into production when that's one of the first steps when making an animated project. Williams went to animating first over actually thinking about a coherent plot or actual story and characters.
Richard Williams was way too ambitious for his own good,this resulted in his passion project getting taken from him in 1992 and got butchered by Calvert and Miramax. At least Vincent Price’s performance as Zigzag and the famous War Machine sequence still holds up to this day through The Recobbled Cut.
To be honest, I only saw a few shorts from the Raggedy Ann Project. Therefore, I cannot have a proper opinion about Raggedy Ann. However, I did see Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure, and I actually kind of liked it. True, the first act with all the toys was somewhat boring, but the star dolls were pretty cute and I loved the song from the Camel with Wrinkled Knees. And I cannot deny that the animation was fantastic. True, the Greedy sequence was kind of ugly, but the rest of the characters had lots of wacky and beautiful designs. And the third act was actually kind of exciting. I may not know much about Raggedy Ann, but I do know that I love her movie from 1977.
Fun Fact: One of the scrapped characters, Prince Bubba was originally going to be voiced by Thick Wilson, who actually did the voice for Averell in Lucky Luke - Ballad of the Daltons and the Cowardly Lion from the 1982 anime of the Wizard of Oz.
For anyone in driving distance to Nashville TN, the 1992 workprint version will be showing here on June 10. I know screenings of this version are rare so just wanted to get the word out. www.belcourt.org/events/the-thief-and-the-cobbler-a-moment-in-time.3619574
I was thinking about making some sort of animated movie with every single character being animated differently (traditional, cgi, stopmotion, flash, motion graphics, oil paint) but after seeing all the work and money that was put into this movie, I'm starting to feel concerned
@@BlazeHeartPanther With the thief & the cobbler yes,but he didn't think he would do that with Roger Rabbit. Or maybe he was cause I didn't think that.
Oh so animats going to repeat about who framed Rodger rabbit again just like the last time he did it on his animation look-back from Walt Disney alrighty good on him
Full Voice Actor List: The Golden Age Shorts Ruth Clifford: Raggedy Ann, Multiple Females - Tommy Bupp: Raggedy Andy, Multiple Males - Pinto Colvig: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees, Multiple Males - Cecil Roy: Billie, Multiple Females - Jackson Beck: Officer Flanagan, Multiple Males Full Voice Actor List: Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure Didi Conn: Raggedy Ann - Mark Baker: Raggedy Andy - Fred Stuthman: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees - Nicki Flacks: Babette - George S Irving: The Captain - Arnold Stang: Queasy the Parrot, Multiple Males - Joe Silver: The Greedy - Alan Sues: Sir Leonard Looney - Marty Brill: King Koo Koo - Paul Dooley: Gazooks - Mason Adams: Grandpa - Allen Swift: Maxi Fixit, Multiple Males - Hetty Galen: Susie Pincushion, Multiple Females - Sheldon Harnick: Barney Bean Bag, Socko, Multiple Males - Ardyth Kaiser: Topsy - Margery Grey: The Twin Pennies, Multiple Females Full Voice Actor List: The 1988 Television Show Christina Lange: Raggedy Ann - Josh Rodine: Raggedy Andy - Charlie Adler: Grouchy Bear, Multiple Males - Katie Leigh: Sunny Bunny, Multiple Females - Kenneth Mars: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees - Tracy Rowe: Marcella - Gaille Heidemann: Marcella's Mother - Kath Soucie: Raggedy Cat - Dana Hill: Raggedy Dog - Peter Cullen: Multiple Males - Frank Welker: Multiple Males - Mary Jo Catlett: Multiple Females - Chris Latta: Multiple Males
I feel so sorry for the animators. They worked so hard to make it look amazing and the film got overlooked.
This movie DESERVES to be finished up, with what RICHARD WILLIAMS visioned it, and not how NOT Miramax made it into! In my opinion, this is possibly the #1 movie that actually deserves a remake, if you get my drift. 😁😁😍😍👍
@@jonathanwallis3300 I agree! This is a movie that deserves to be reintroduced to the world.
@@beachballssideaccount I know right? Oh Better yet, Imagine watching this movie (completely animated) in Imax 3D! :0
@@jonathanwallis3300 That would be an amazing experience.
Jonathan Wallis A remake? Sounds like starting the whole mess over again.
As I said before from the first part, Vincent Price recorded his lines ‘WWAAYY’ before the films release in the 90’s which unfortunately he passed away, A sad day for poor Vincent.
,,And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted nevermore!''
a quote from edgar allan poe from the tim burton short film Vincent dedicated to vincent price
(sorry for my english)
This search of ultimate perfection can be resumed to one type of fear: "Atelophobia", or the fear of imperfections...
The history behind this movie is as treacherous as climbing a mountain. The movie as well is breathtaking in it’s animation.
Love how you pause the middle of the video to explain Animation mechanics, teaching us about the art and learning something. A lot of people talk endlessly about 2d Animation and praising over CGI.. yet don't know one bit about the work progress other than is made on pencil and paper.
juan ortiz Sorry but I not fan of cgi so don’t be an ass. 🤔😑🖕.
I read this just as that happened.
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You first.
You know who I think could make a good candidate for a future “Animation Lookback”?
Osamu Tezuka.
Diego Iñesta Garcia As his channel 10th anniversary has already worn off, so he could remake his second part due to Wednesday special
When I studied animation in London a few years back basically every tutor or professional we had had at some point been involved in this production. They brought in their original animations for us to see and their animation drawings are probably the most beautiful I've ever seen but the level of detail where just insane!
They also said it was a horried experience at times and to never stay on a project that lasts for longer than a decade. Most loved working on WFRR through!
Lucky you!!
Absolutely insane is honestly putting it mildly. This movie's animation is so good it literally looks like CGI. I'm not even kidding. It's that smooth.
That Raggedy Anne and Andy Movie is still more terrifying than most horror movies coming out today
To me, Richard Wilson’s greatest accomplishment is his animation work of Who Famed Roger Rabbit.
Agreed.
I would agree, if not to the fact that he was pretty restrained when making it, so he couldn't get the fluidity as much as with Theif.
There's this long shot in the battle seq with a close-up of the thief from behind as he whizzes across the sky, and it didn't really blow me down immediately, but the shot just _kept on going_ as he slowly rotates, and then arrows start flying everywhere, and that's when my breath started being taken.
When you miss the deadlines, you're pretty much signing yourself up for failure after failure.
It just occured to me that Richard Williams is almost like the anti-Ralph Bakshi. What I mean by that is Ralph would go, so I have no budget for steller animation. I'll just use every trick in the book to get by, if my animation is ugly and full of rotoscoping so be it, I just want to tell my story my way. Where as Richard Williams you could argue the reason is a great example of what happens when you get too ambitious for your own good and don't want to face things like budgets and time restraints.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Ralph doesn’t care for animation that goes for perfection like Disney so he probably doesn’t think too highly of Richard.
A lesson we could all learn from you and Ralph when creating our own independent animations.
I don't get the hype around Bakshi. I find some of his stills and art interesting and actually pretty, but his actual animation doesn't impress me.
I know a lot of work goes into making just about any animated film/TV series/short, even the bad ones *coughATrollInCentralParkcough*. But MAN! Just hearing about all the stuff Richard Williams had to go through to fund his passion project, as well as all of the drawings he and his crew had to make for many years, is mind boggling!
Speaking of which, I also love how you dedicated a couple of minutes to discuss the different number of frames per second used in animation. It's a nice little addition for Animation Lookback.
Especially when a lot of those animations ended up being thrown out after the film was finished by the completion bond company. Talk about blasphemy
R.I.P. Richard Williams (1933-2019)
8:10 damn right very detailed drawings, and 24 of those drawings per second and it's a Cinemascope Widescreen, no wonder it took 30 years to make this.
Your work should definitely be featured on some of the movie's future releases.
Great job, as always.
9:34 - 10:00 that's some crazy good 2D animation, it literally looks like CG.
Which is why I have a copy of the movie on DVD. I had to dig it up out of the bottomless pit that is the Walmart bargain bin a few years ago to get it but it was totally worth it. It was bundled with several other classic movies including the TV version of A Wrinkle in Time, Never Ending Story 3, two different Hugo movies, but The Thief and the Cobbler is the hidden treasure in the set. It's so beautiful in places and while alot of the songs are kinda forgettable, I really loved the animation and the humor. I actually prefer it to Disney's Aladdin to which it gets compared to as a rip off. News flash idiots: it was in production years before and Disney would be the ones to get there first since they have an endless budget to waste on garbage.
@@princesspikachu3915 Except Aladdin is not garbage.
@@chillplayer1234 In my personal opinion it is. I hate it. It's stupid. The songs suck. The main characters suck. The only good thing about it is Robin Williams as the Genie but everything else is garbage, especially the fucking sequels. Jasmine is annoying and is made to be overly sexualized and is way too skinny even by cartoon standards. It's just a terrible movie. I have hated it ever since I seen it in theaters years ago at the tender age of 4...
@@princesspikachu3915 no it's not "garbage" at all fool and no she is not "sexualized" Jack Thompson.
7:15 I just recently got The illusion of Life for my 18th birthday and it really is a beautiful book! Great video as usual!
Too bad it makes the biased claim that only Disney could produce convincing character animation, despite the Warner Brothers cartoons being just as beloved.
I lovEEEEEEEE this movie !!!! So glad people appreciate it
Why didn't Spielberg help out Williams when making "The Thief and the Cobbler"? After working for his own project, Steven at least owed him one.
Steven & Disney had thoughts of helping Richard out after making Roger Rabbit,but that didn't happen. Disney was more focused on their Disney renaissance and Spielberg went to form the short-lived Amblimation in the UK without helping Richard on his project.
Well.... this sucks. 😒
I really like how the soundtrack you've used foreshadows that they worked on "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" a couple of minutes before you clearly mention it. :D
You know if Dick would have just focused on just the film instead of perfectionism, the movie would have been released in 1974 or 1989 or even 1990 and it would have been a box office success!
I agree with you on the first half of your statement, but not on the second: had he managed to get the movie finished, it still wouldn't have been a success. It was too distant from what large audiences liked (i.e. Disney movies). I saw the "Recobbled cut": while some of the animation is mind-blowing, the movie as a whole is boring and unfocused. I think even niche audiences with the proper education to fully understand Williams' technical achievements would've had an hard time calling it an all-around masterpiece. It very likely would've become a cult movie over the years (it kind of did even in its incomplete version), but box office success would've always eluded it.
@@thermonuclearcollider4418 Well I'm guessing that if it was finished in 1985 it would have made $60 million and made it the highest grossing animated film, until The Little Mermaid would break that record, then Beauty and the Beast, then Aladdin, the The Lion King, then Toy Story, then Finding Nemo, then Frozen and so on and so on and so on.
R.I.P Robert Williams
Animation sometimes can be the acid trip world
Today is a pretty good day. School's been going good, Endgame has been released, and part 2 of this series has also been released. Great job Mat!
I can't believe Ken Harris passed away while the Thief and the Cobbler was still in production! and to me, he was one the greatest animators who work on the Looney Tunes along with Bob Clampett, Friz Freleng, Robert Mckimson and Chuck Jones!
This teaches me more of animation perfectly well.
12:25 Eberts is the same guy who produced the Super Mario Bros movie
The more you read about this film's production, the more clear it becomes that Williams really brought the failure on himself. He was clearly more interested in showing off the film's pretty animation than trying to tell a good story, and he added a whole bunch of superfluous details like Zigzag's extra fingers with 25 rings, and his big long feet that curl like party horns. It's impressive, but what's the point?
That IS the point, it is impressive, also it adds to his character. An animated character Is nothing if he doesn't have the animation to back him up or individualize himself from the others.
BlazeHeartPanther Blaze ) that's right.
BlazeHeartPanther
Yeah but you can still do that without going over budget or taking twenty years to make a movie. You can still give animating characters character through the animation without being distracted by adding other animation details. Then again, when doing those character animations it's usually planned ahead which Williams didn't. He didn't even do storyboards until twenty-five years into production when that's one of the first steps when making an animated project. Williams went to animating first over actually thinking about a coherent plot or actual story and characters.
1’s and 2’s seem very completely a pain to do for one movie. But you know the old saying, “dyeing for our art”
This movie makes Cool World look like the Mona Lisa
So, you're basically insulting Theif
@@BlazeHeartPanther what? No!
@@wispy_nova Then what do you mean by "this movie"
@@BlazeHeartPanther He's probably talking about Raggedy Ann & Andy.
FINALLY!!! Been very excited to see this covered further.
Thank you for the explanation.
Amazing as always Mat you're gonna go down in History someone needs to give you a Bafta or any major award
Richard Williams was way too ambitious for his own good,this resulted in his passion project getting taken from him in 1992 and got butchered by Calvert and Miramax. At least Vincent Price’s performance as Zigzag and the famous War Machine sequence still holds up to this day through The Recobbled Cut.
Criminally underrated movie
4:37-45 you forgot his favorite Geppetto in Pinocchio
MrGabeanator not necessarily, after all, he technically mentioned some of the examples
@@metepec20092012 k
To be honest, I only saw a few shorts from the Raggedy Ann Project. Therefore, I cannot have a proper opinion about Raggedy Ann. However, I did see Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure, and I actually kind of liked it. True, the first act with all the toys was somewhat boring, but the star dolls were pretty cute and I loved the song from the Camel with Wrinkled Knees. And I cannot deny that the animation was fantastic. True, the Greedy sequence was kind of ugly, but the rest of the characters had lots of wacky and beautiful designs. And the third act was actually kind of exciting. I may not know much about Raggedy Ann, but I do know that I love her movie from 1977.
24 different frames per second...talk about art!
talk about frames per second
Talk about Hell
Fun Fact: One of the scrapped characters, Prince Bubba was originally going to be voiced by Thick Wilson, who actually did the voice for Averell in Lucky Luke - Ballad of the Daltons and the Cowardly Lion from the 1982 anime of the Wizard of Oz.
Fantastic beyond imagining.
Dude I love your channel so much you orange fedora loving son-of-a-gun keep up the good work
For anyone in driving distance to Nashville TN, the 1992 workprint version will be showing here on June 10. I know screenings of this version are rare so just wanted to get the word out. www.belcourt.org/events/the-thief-and-the-cobbler-a-moment-in-time.3619574
Great work, as always! I'm really glad that this story is being told, and it's great that such a skilled storyteller is telling it.
Do "Spicy City"
2:56
Me: Man, Richard Williams did try this in 3D.
Everyone else: BOOOO!!!! >:(
Me: AW, COME ON GUYS, WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BOO AT ME?!?! >:(
To quote Hannibal Buress, “Why are you booing me? I’m right!”
I was thinking about making some sort of animated movie with every single character being animated differently (traditional, cgi, stopmotion, flash, motion graphics, oil paint) but after seeing all the work and money that was put into this movie, I'm starting to feel concerned
I really like the idea of a mixed media movie. I love all those mediums, except for motion capture.
@@beachballssideaccount Yeah, i love every single animation technique as long if it's done right
@@gatewoodanimations9753 I do as well, it's just there's something about motion capture that kind of looks weird to me.
@@beachballssideaccount it's probably because it's in that uncanny territory
@@gatewoodanimations9753 Definitely.
If I remember correctly, Miramax got the rights to release the film with the other actors, With some exception.
Unfortunately Next Time on Animation Lookback he will summarize Who Framed Roger Rabbit and discuss how the movie was(ultimately)destroyed
Sakes alive: It's 2 of 5. The second of five TH-cam episodes on the hand-drawn, unfinished classic, "Thief and the Cobbler"
That moment when you try to make a movie but accidentally revolutionise the entire medium of animation instead #relatable
But isn't that was he was trying to do in the first place?
@@BlazeHeartPanther With the thief & the cobbler yes,but he didn't think he would do that with Roger Rabbit. Or maybe he was cause I didn't think that.
Oh so animats going to repeat about who framed Rodger rabbit again just like the last time he did it on his animation look-back from Walt Disney alrighty good on him
Jacob The dragon Or go over it quickly with new info like he did in the Best of Stop-Motion.
6:41
8:42
I though the film was made started from 24 frames to 30 frames per minute or seconds
Animat:"But they weren't there to work for Dick,they were there to teach Dick.
My brain:😏
I respect him.
Full Voice Actor List: The Golden Age Shorts
Ruth Clifford: Raggedy Ann, Multiple Females - Tommy Bupp: Raggedy Andy, Multiple Males - Pinto Colvig: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees, Multiple Males - Cecil Roy: Billie, Multiple Females - Jackson Beck: Officer Flanagan, Multiple Males
Full Voice Actor List: Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure
Didi Conn: Raggedy Ann - Mark Baker: Raggedy Andy - Fred Stuthman: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees - Nicki Flacks: Babette - George S Irving: The Captain - Arnold Stang: Queasy the Parrot, Multiple Males - Joe Silver: The Greedy - Alan Sues: Sir Leonard Looney - Marty Brill: King Koo Koo - Paul Dooley: Gazooks - Mason Adams: Grandpa - Allen Swift: Maxi Fixit, Multiple Males - Hetty Galen: Susie Pincushion, Multiple Females - Sheldon Harnick: Barney Bean Bag, Socko, Multiple Males - Ardyth Kaiser: Topsy - Margery Grey: The Twin Pennies, Multiple Females
Full Voice Actor List: The 1988 Television Show
Christina Lange: Raggedy Ann - Josh Rodine: Raggedy Andy - Charlie Adler: Grouchy Bear, Multiple Males - Katie Leigh: Sunny Bunny, Multiple Females - Kenneth Mars: The Camel with Wrinkled Knees - Tracy Rowe: Marcella - Gaille Heidemann: Marcella's Mother - Kath Soucie: Raggedy Cat - Dana Hill: Raggedy Dog - Peter Cullen: Multiple Males - Frank Welker: Multiple Males - Mary Jo Catlett: Multiple Females - Chris Latta: Multiple Males
I don't understand
How usually is the 2
Richard willams is the balls
yes.
5:50, 6:31
uglydolls is now on soundtrack
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Animat, please review Avengers Endgame!!!!!!!
@Luigi Marinus Vlogs, in special review
Not animation, stop asking him.
Having the main Characters Silent most of the time isn't a good idea in my case.
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Does anyone else find it coincidentall that a guy named Art became an animator?
His full name was Arthur.
oof
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Somebody patreon request an Avengers Endgame review
MagicalRanter224 No.
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Congrats
Thanks tripp cory