Books I DON'T Want To Read | Anti-TBR Tag
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- Today I'm doing the Anti-TBR tag, discussing books I don't plan on reading (at least anytime soon). I was tagged by the amazing channel, Shipwrecked Library ( / @shipwreckedlibrary ) and the tag was started by Nicole & Her Books ( / @nherbooks )
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"I love the idea of loving to read ____ " is such a great way of looking at books I personally want to like. It's just not happening, but I continue to force myself to read them. It's a problem.
HAHAHA yeahhh I understand that. Some books I wish I could just FORCE myself to love. Life would be so much easier
I personally love reading, but is too late for me.. I have never watched a movie or Television growing out, so in order to dream and scape I have reading. I honestly can't watch most things unless they are written down, since I can't focus
@@SieMiezekatze
How does your post relate to the thread?
i have this problem with tv.
Literally me with A Clockwork Orange
"There's a girl... on a train... for unknown reasons" I don't know why but this cracked me up.
Me too! Haha
Hahaha, glad that tickled you. I'm really great at gathering info on book plots before I record videos, lol
The struggle of buying a beautiful book and never being able to read it is REAL
Isn't it!? One of the saddest parts of life. NO exaggeration
It's brave of you to have Calvin and Hobbes as every choice.
That idea is actually sacrilegious and is punishable by death
The thumbnail made me chuckle because Gravity's Rainbow is near the top of my list. Everything I've heard about Pynchon makes it sound like his work is right up my alley.
"shipwrecked library" wait that.....ME!!!!! I am so excited, I saw this in my notifications and I SLAMMED that mf LIKe button, boys am I right?! Once I saw a tweet that said "Dickens doesn't even slap tho" and honestly I've never related more. I'm pretty glad we can bond over No Interest in Ayn Rand. In fact, Reddit Person who hated Faulkner with his hipster glasses and overpriced cake pops 100% reads Ayn Rand. Facts.
I can absolutely assure you from just listening to this tag that you probably wouldn't like Addie Larue LMAO No one can safely say for sure but...it's romance heavy to say the least.
YES!!! Haha I finally got around to doing this and I'm so glad I did! Oh my god your reddit imaginary hipster loves Ayn Rand and thinks everyone should read Atlas Shrugged only to read Infinite Jest immediately after just to get your mind BLOWN, like rekt dude. It's so funny that I mentioned not wanting to read Addie Larue when RIGHT AFTER I posted this I see you did a review of it I'm still waiting to watch. Gonna SMASH that Like button when I do, holy cow.
@@ManCarryingThing atlas shrugged = Anthem + 800 pages
Only good thing about Ayn Rand was this approximate line of hers: "He was so ugly, it was fascinating" 🤣
I have a irrational prejudice against Thriller/mystery. I've wasted a lot of time at thrift stores looking for horror, only to pull out something with a title like, "FACE RIPPER/VISCERA SNIPPER," get excited, then have my hopes dashed when I see, "A Detective Arthur T. Noodleborough Mystery" on the spine.
Okay but Noodleborough has got to be one of the best names I've ever read.
@@thelonetraveller lmfaooo
as a scandinavian, I feel this on a deep level. every time I see an interesting looking cover in a bookstore, it’s a gritty crime drama. every. single. time.
and it never just *says* that it’s a mystery. I’ll start reading the backside of what sounds like a somewhat interesting book about a kid escaping abusive parents, and then 2/3 of the way through there’s a paragraph change, and it says something along the lines of
“in department xoxo, Mattis Olufsen is back to work after being stabbed by the sunscreen killer, and his young assistant Liv is dealing with the trauma of almost being murdered again, but she’s also developing feelings for the new IT guy, Arne. together, can this crack team overcome Mattis’ alcoholism for long enough to find the missing girls?”
and I *LIKE* mysteries. just not the types that are popular in my country, I guess.
@@esobelisk3110 Yeah, I can't remember how many times I went to my local bookshop in search of an interesting mystery or whodunit only to leave empty handed because none sounded genuinely investing. At this point I just began writing the books I'd like to read myself because I can't find them somewhere else.
@@esobelisk3110 "the sunscreen killer" has me ROLLING
"I would read it only as a punishment to myself" 😂😂
Lol, it's the truth!
To be fair, I'm a filthy capitalist, and even I found her books very hard to get through.
Here's an anecdote about Ayn Rand: my uncle was a sociology professor and he had his own publishing company. He bought the rights to Ayn Rand's books, translated them to German and published them. When he died, he left us with 20 boxes of sealed copies of Anthem. Now I am stuck for the rest of my life selling these books that I absolutely hate. Every time I sell one I feel morally conflicted. But at the same time I like money. Which is kind of ironic.
It's funny watching this years later and hearing you say you're not into mysteries and thrillers when you've been reading a ton of noir recently.
I had the exact same thought
Moby Dick is a classic book I just can't do.
I went through a journey reading The Count of Monte Cristo. I absolutely loved it and felt empty when I'm done. I moved to Moby Dick and it's just whale facts. I couldn't do it.
I understand what you mean. I think it should be read taking in consideration the historical context. There was no TV,. I think of the book kind of as it own version of the discovery channel mixed with some other series regarding the story of some sailors. It wasn't what I was expecting. But if you take it for what it is is not bad.
if the language and the philosophy doesn't do it for you it's tough to get through.
KDBooks sent me here, and your rant about "seeming smart on camera" while "watching twitch streams off it" is what's making me stay :')
KDBooks is awesome :) And thanks so much for sticking around!
Did not know that BE Ellis is a conservative, and thinking about the criticism included in his books, I find that surprising. Anyway, he is a master of writing so that you cannot be sure what is real, and what is not. Recommend! The recommendation is based on American Psycho, Glamorama and Lunar Park.
yep, he's my favourite author and I adore his writing yet the modern day Ellis is everything him in the 80s hated. he's not like, full blown conservative but he's what I'd call a light Facebook aunt type conservative
Glamorama is really interesting, but man those first 100 or so pages were hard to get through.
@@harrybehemoth2751 I'd disagree here, I thought it was some of the funniest writing he's ever done. but I understand how you feel that way
He’s gone full reactionary at this point.
Unbelievable considering his early work.
@@HakuYuki001 Amazing
Wow.... trains and Dickens. Two of my favorite things ever.
lol i'm sorry
@@ManCarryingThing it’s ok. I won’t let them know.
Same for me with trains and Christie - just don't tell him about Murder on the Orient Express
I read Gravity's Rainbow at the worst possible time of the year: in the middle of Summer. A large chunk of it while I'd take lunchbreaks at my work. It's definitely not a Summer read, but I had a post-modernist phase where I read Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace, The Recognitions and JR by William Gaddis and Gravity's Rainbow back to back. Masochistic, I know. But though the time of year and my headspace weren't right and though Gravity's Rainbow isn't for everyone, it did conjure up a sort of early seventies type of melancholy you hear in Pink Floyd songs and can see in Kubrick's Clockwork Orange and other similar movies from the era. There's also some top-tier poetry by Pynchon that, though I'm not a poetry ready, found to be one of the best I've ever read. Also, the thing that stayed with me the most was the commentary about the role of the individual in major historical events and especially wars. All in all, it's dense, polarizing, not for everyone, but there's just something about it, a type of melancholia that evokes, which keeps one in it, even when the plot itself starts to slip away from you at times.
Indeed. It sets out not so much to make a “point” but to get your brain thinking about a thousand things you probably otherwise would not have thought of before. To break you out of the “zones” we arbitrarily put ourselves in, and have allowed others to put us in, even if the “others” are themselves afraid of some “others” that may or may not even exist.
Indeed, it seems that Pynchon’s main thesis as a writer is “There is no grand conspiracy, and that’s actually kinda scarier than there actually being one, because that means those that control are just as lost and confused and stupid as the rest of us.”
Also, after rereading the final bit of lyrics at the end of the book, I find that it pretty much sums up more or less what the story was trying to convey.
Having discovered this channel for the sketches, it's uncanny to see your older stuff
Like watching childhood photos of your teacher
im re-reading Gravitys Rainbow right now. you have to get past a certain undefined point, where you just accept you dont really understand everything going on, and thats okay. it was that way for me with The lluminatus! Triogy, which took me several false starts but ive read a dozen times now, and Infinite Jest was tough to get into, also. it takes a lot of faith to start a book that is nearly a 1000 pages, and you have no idea whats going on, or if youre gonna enjoy it. I would also like to mention, i started watching your channel from your short skits, so to find you started by reviewing books is pretty neat-o.
Right on. Gravity's Rainbow is an unforgivingly tough book, but once you sync up with its rhythm it's really rewarding. I definitely wouldn't have finished it had I not been assigned it for a class, though.
I LOVED Infinite Jest. It blew and still blows my mind when I think or talk about it. Hope to reread one day but with a knowledge of Hamlet in mind.
@@jan_Travis infinite jest is amazing. i enjoyed every second.
Only Pynchon novel I read was Inherent Vice but I definitely recommend it. It's a trip, and very funny.
I read Gravity's Rainbow, first time as a fiction book and the second with a source and context companion. It's a seriously good read.
I read half of it and loved it but all of a sudden roger mexico and pirate prentice were simply no longer mentioned and it only followed slothrop. Those were the best characters. So bizarre what was becoming one of my favorite books soon bored me and I completely lost interest.
Which companion book did you use?
Inherent Vice is a much easier to digest Pynchon book that I really enjoyed.
Have you read House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski? 10/10 gives you nightmares but you cant put it down
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 Congratulations, you've discovered the point of House of Leaves
I'm also planning to read Mason & Dixon, but it's super long so I think I'll need a buddy-read to motivate me all the way through. If you want to do a buddy-read I'll join!
Thank you for all the recommendations Chris Nolan
Inherent Vice was a cool book that's fairly accessible for Pynchon
It's kind of funny watching this now knowing how much you got into mystery crime thrillers down the road.
lol you and i are in the same boat with Dickens, I can't get into it. Also Addie Larue is a book you def have to be in the mood for cause it's kind of a slow burn, but I think it was really well done
Dickens...I have to be in a really patient mood for, lol. Addie Larue, I'm not totally sure why I included it, maybe because I've been seeing it all over the place -- I'm actually open to reading it at some point
Whenever someone says Pynchon is not for them I need a moment to remind me that tastes are subjective. I went chronologically with Pynchon and it worked wonders. V. is sort of on the verge between modernism and post-modernism, and it really eases you into reading The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity's Rainbow. However, I would probably suggest one starts with Inherent Vice, then Vineland and after that The Crying of Lot 49.
I tried Vineland and Crying and hated both. I'm gonna try IV though, hope I enjoy because I loved the PTA movie
@@thebasedgodmax1163 I hope you enjoy it too, but I'm biased as Pynchon clicked immediately with me. But if you don't like his writing after 3 books, it might just not be for you.
One problematic author I won’t read is Adolf Hitler
As a leftist, I think reading Mein Kampf is actually very valuable because a lot of the tactics used by the alt-right and neo-fascists today is straight out of that book. It's basically their playbook and most of it is still effective even nearly a century later. Know thy enemy, as they say. I think it helps to be aware of how the enemy thinks and of their tactics.
I read it
waste of money
good talking piece tho
and if you like political reading like I do then I guess it's worth reading once
but there is better stuff out there written by dictators
"have you ever read Mein Kampf"
"sigh, really"
"have you ever read Mein Kampf"
"yeah, a couple times--"
"a couple times? Were there little ester eggs you didn't catch in there the first time?"
A Tale of Two Cities is his best book. Give that one a shot.
along with David Copperfield imo
Chaucer is "problematic?" To people who hate good literature?
I assume he is referring to the anti-semitism in the Prioress’ Tale.
@@robertdullnig3625 Oy gevalt!!!
I'm not a great admirer of Dickens either, but A Tale of Two Cities is worth a read. There's much less padding than in many of his books. It also contains the marvellous line "I am determined to be peevish after my long day's botheration!".
With Pynchon, I quite enjoyed V; loved Lot 49 the first time I read it then absolutely hated it the second time (such an odd reaction that I've never had with another book); gave up on Gravity's Rainbow two-thirds of the way through. There were some enjoyable and clever moments but the constant absurdity is tiring and directionless. Maybe I'll finish it one day but I'm sure there are much better books out there to spend time with instead.
Dude looks mad handsome with short hair.
When it comes to Pynchon you have to read it like a conspiracy corkboard 😂
There is nothing I won’t read. Nothing
Except anything from L. Ron Hubbard
@@godfunkchallenge accepted. Go read Finnegan's Wake.
@@BladedEdge ordered from Amazon i’ll let you know how it goes lol
@@BladedEdge “He addle liddle phifie Annie ugged the little craythur…” no truer words have been spoken
I *love* Thomas Pynchon's "Crying of Lot 49"
That being said, i absolutely cannot get through Mason & Dixon. I have all of his books, but i just can't get into it.
For Dickens, I recomend trying an audiobook. If that doesn't work Andrew Davies and the BBC have done some great new(ish) adaptaions. Those are pretty great. I have not been able to get through a print copy of Dickens' work either. Love the plots and characters though! This was a fun video! Thanks.
I know you hate mysteries, but have you ever tried reading Raymond Chandler? He might be the the antidote for everything you hate about the genre… it’s a masterclass in how to draw a reader in and keep them engaged.
The last time i encouered a book it was a painful experience
Mason & Dixon is exactly what I would recommend, funnily.
Loved Inherent Vice, Pynchon's blend of Soc with 1st P.O.V is completely enticing.... Also causally meandering, takes forever for shit to move forward, but you get so caught up in his minutia, *enjoying* it at that, you wouldn't mind at all.
It ain't peak Pynch, but it'd be remiss if it weren't worth it
I love Ellis, but will say White is... pretty... dire. Less Than Zero and its sequel Imperial Bedrooms would be a good start of his older works if you wanted something else than American Psycho 👊
That's great to hear, and I forgot about Less Than Zero! I definitely want to give him a shot since he was so big in the 80s, and I will probably read Less Than Zero at some point. (Lol, even when I do a tag about books I don't want to read, I end up finding more books to read!)
As someone whose favourite book is Gravity's Rainbow
...yeah
I think you'd like Mason & Dixon better. It's one of his more underrated books, whatever that really means. Have you ever read William Vollmann?
I haven't!
I also dislike Dickens, never been able to finish one of his books despite trying multiple times.
Crying of Lot 49 is a discount Gravity's Rainbow for me. Pynchon himself hates the book, and I can see why. It's a little lightweight. Gravity's Rainbow has something that I think no other Pynchon novel really has - genuine seriousness lurking amidst the playfulness. I'm currently doing my PhD on Pynchon, and I'm having serious trouble not writing exclusively about Gravity's Rainbow. When I first read it I tried to just get through it, expecting that whatever I didn't understand (a great deal), I could come back to later. What I didn't expect is that I would actually enjoy the process of going back later to figure out what Pynchon meant.
I'm genuinely curious what you mean by 'genuine'. The seriousness of, say, Vineland was obviously genuine in the sense of sincere and deeply felt so I assume you mean it in some smart way.
@@peterkerj7357 I suppose I meant something more like genuine darkness and gravitas. Inherent Vice, Vineland, and Bleeding Edge all have very genuine moments but I feel they are more on the order of sentimentality. Gravity's Rainbow has an element of horror that I think lacks in those books - the stakes always feel much lower to me in them. Perhaps it's the WWII setting and the threat of V-2s. Of course, GR is full of irrelevance, indulgence, and the wackiness characteristic of his other books, but I feel it earns the right to be so. The more gravitas the novel successfully evokes, the more it earns the right to be playful, I feel. In fact, even the playfulness is dialled up to 100, so the achievement of the book among other things is that so much of it feels like a statement.
@@SB-lh5xb Good point about the horror. Vineland and AtD are both very dark but I guess they give off more of a feeling of resignation rather than horror.
@@peterkerj7357 currently reading ATD and I like it a lot so far - I appreciate its willingness to get into complex mathematics (which I don't understand but do understand the context/philosophy of at least)
Many books suck, but I haven’t been without a book since 1985.
Try Oliver Twist from Dickens.
Ewww.
I have these books that are in my room that I know I'll never read but also I'll never get rid of because I bought them, so now they just sit there as an eternal reminder of my consumerism and my poor decision making skills.
Speaker for the dead is amazing
Inherent Vice was pretty good. It meandered, but I liked it. Never watched the movie
I have to recommend Hard Times by Dickens, the humour is not broad, the characters are incredible and lived in and the plot is pretty complicated for a class commentary. Also, the fountainhead is not a bad book. Its by no means incredible but if the politics of Rand is what’s scaring you away, her political message in fountainhead is nearly identical with most YAs
I sat and read the four Ender Quartet books, and I still believe Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead have a lot of value and a lot of good ideas about compassion, empathy, and trying to understand people vastly different from you. Someday Orson Scott Card should try reading his own books.
I believe that just as most people get more conservative as they get older, sometimes comically so, he did too, but on the mormon path. So much so he started believing things literally diametrically opposed to what he used to believe
It’s funny you talk about your dislike for crime an detective novels here when many of your later videos are about discovering detective thrillers!
I’m curious if you ever have Pynchon another chance. I’m reading through his stuff now and like you, I bounced off one of his books (Inherent Vice) but found that I’ve loved everything since (Lot 49, Against the Day, and Masón and Dixon so far). Lot 49 is so different from AtD and M&D, I highly recommend it. They’re just long, fun journeys that will have you simultaneously questioning everything philosophically and also laughing out loud at the absurd humor.
It's funny how much tastes change! especially when you try new things. Totally open to trying pynchon again - maybe vineland soon
I read The Fountainhead in high school, you’re missing absolutely nothing.
I have never purchased a book simply for its cute cover. They are already expensive as they are for me to waste my money on one for decoration only.
I mean, I hear there are some good books that don't include dragons, but they are so hard to get to when I know there are books I haven't read that do include dragons.
When I saw your channel name I just assumed it was a channel about strength training
I was in the Brooklyn home of Thomas Pynchon's sister. She lived next door to people I know. She had problems with her brother. I never read him.
I never read Bret Easton Ellis either but I was at a partly in his apartment years ago because my girlfriend had gone to Bennington with him (and was Lethem's girlfriend too, Jonathan Lethem in a good man, I really like him.).
All this is just NYC stuff.
I don't agree politically with Lionel Shriver but I really like her novels, her style. I'm reading the new one Mania right now. It's all about it becoming incorrect total people stupid, to make intellectual distinctions.
I loved Gravity's Rainbow ...
The Ender Series is very good and I've read everything but the stuff he's released in the last 8 years or so. Ender's Game was the book that was the first kind of "adult" book I ever read and I read it all before having any awareness of Scott Card's views. Now I honestly can't even imagine picking them up to read, even though I love that series. I kind of feel the same with Harry Potter. It's very hard to separate author from art so I definitely feel you.
Same with Rowling... For me it's different when authors are dead and buried, it's a little easier to separate the art from the artist (depending on what it is, of course) But in the case of Card, I enjoyed Ender's Game but there's SOOOOO many books out there I can read instead.
@@ManCarryingThing As someone who doesn't have much of a problem to separate art from the artist, I always found the notion of not reading a book that should be right down one's alley because the author is problematic kind of strange.
In my view, I would be sort of punishing myself by depriving myself of a great story rather than "punishing" the author who, let's be honest, would never know whether I did or did not read their book.
I guess, I am lucky that I *can* separate authors from their works as I am of course aware that my line of thinking doesn't apply to folks like you who apparently won't be able to enjoy these stories.
Anyway, just want to share my perspective. Feel free to disregard! ;-)
Baffling comments here re Bret Easton Ellis. White is a book about his personal aesthetic and how his youth influenced it and his apathy in the face of people losing the run of themselves over politics. He's not a reactionary he just enjoys pissing people off who think politics is the be all end all of existence. Met him at a signing for it and got some other books signed he was very nice.
Sad that you don’t like mystery books as I love them but definitely see your other points!
I still have hope that I will find that one msytery that will change my opinions! Maybe I just haven't found the right book for me.
@@ManCarryingThing Rebecca is a great book and I definitely didn’t see the ending coming.
@@ManCarryingThing , try some English writers.
The names escape me right now, I'll come back with them later.
@@ChristmasLorecome back
A nice way to ease yourself into Thomas Pynchon is to read Inherent Vice-I think it's his most "readable" novel and incredibly entertaining on a sentence-by-sentence level because of all the stoner humor. Then watch the movie PTA made to help you understand what the fuck you just read-then read the novel again. At that point, you'll have been seeded with the pattern of his consciousness, and when you approach more difficult works like Gravity's Rainbow, Mason & Dixon, or Against the Day, things will fall into place more readily.
Also, utilize the thriving Pynchon culture online: there's an incredibly helpful Pynchon wiki, and the Pynchon subreddit is fantastic, with truly illuminating groupreads of every novel. I recommend to start reading him while you're young, so that you can periodically reread him as you age. He's not just any author.
Same thing with Dickens here! In theory, we should click, but in practice, it's complicated.
I love A Christmas Carol (maybe because it's short) but I tend to like the movie adaptations of his books more than the actual books!
The satire is top notch
Hmmm, I guess we have different tastes, because as soon as I heard that title I knew I'd be interested in The Invisible Life Of Addie LaRue.
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "books"
I only like thrillers when it's a spy fiction or a political drama. The Girl on the Train is just a crime story, so it's boring. American Psycho is a stream of consciousness novel, the idea kick-started by Joyce's Ulisses. It's a good implementation of this idea.
I recommend Not Wanted on the Voyage
immediately looked at my never read brando sando hardcover collection and smiled. Love opening the stormlight books on my desk to look at the art, would never dare taking one of those to read in bed
AND HOLY SHIT I LOVE V E SCHWAB BUT HAVEN'T READ HALF HER BOOKS CAUSE I FEEL EXACTLY LIKE THAT ABOUT THEM ( I read the color trilogy and loved it, read the first superpower book and it was ok, never touched the others though I own them all. love to support her and plan to keep doing that when money allows tho ).
Reading Dickens is 100% a chore ha ha
rewatching this one and seeing the comments from right wingers getting angry and saying 'you should expand your horizons!' because you don't want to read Ayn Rand is utterly hilarious. these are the usually the same people who want to ban anything left leaning, and certainly wouldn't sit down to 'expand their horizons' by reading, say, Marxist, feminist or race theory.
Read Anthem & Atlas Shrugged. Their shit.
Ok this is driving me crazy. What song is used in the background of the vid? I can't find it anywhere
6:45 Speaker for the Dead is good, but the later books in the original quartet are a mess. From what I heard the later Bean books end being an even bigger mess. I find early Card interesting, but I wouldn't bother with anything he wrote after the 80s.
3:46 oh my goodness he looks like Shaun Micallef parodying Bret Easton Ellis
And the Manson & Nixon Line by Pynchon's wife who's an editor....
Fun fact: Ayn Rand was actually named after Rand al'Thor
YES with thomas pynchon. William Gaddis same
Maybe I'm stupid but I didn't catch any legitimate reason for not being interested in Pynchon, his work is beautiful and brilliant and you should absolutely read it, especially Gravity's Rainbow. I have no clue what people mean when they talk about how 'difficult' it is to read, it isn't at all, there's almost always something fascinating going on either narratively or stylistically. Don't try to understand 'the big picture' or whatever the first time, you never will, just take it in and let it flow over you and it'll BREEZE by.
White by Bret Easton Ellis is a great essay collection and he is the furthest thing from a republican. His “controversy” is that he thinks his fellow liberals need to stop melting down with outrage over trump and the right.
The main four Ender's Game and Speaker books fortunately don't have any of Card's homophobia on display in em. Just ignore the cover and title page and you should be fine. Tho it is really odd that Card feels that way when the series is all about having empathy for people who are so fundamentally different from you that its nearly impossible to understand their perspectives. Either way, the ideas presented at least in those books are rather nice. Once you start touching Card's other work tho, you'll quickly start stepping on landmines so I don't recommend that, even other books in the Ender universe (especially the prequel books about Bean). Anyhow that's my guide to Card
I only read one of these books. It was the girl on the train, it good but not mine type of book.
I absolutely HATE it when a book is released and turned into a film before I get a chance to read it.
Really! Dickens?! I found his writing better that King's book 1 of Dark Tower.
not sure if you still read the comments on this but hey, might as well shoot my shot and ask what's on my mind
1. ever read any of the strugatsky brothers' works? i came across a collection of "short" stories from them recently and it's probably the best damn science fiction i'll ever lay my eyes on, was wondering what you thought about their stuff (if anything)
2. this might seem a little out of place - but what about the harry potter franchise? i know jkr is branded as a transphobe/racist/whatever nowadays but hey, the first hp book is literally how i learned to read properly so it makes me wonder if you ever read/wanted to read em
in case you do see this, sorry if these questions seem a little dry/weird to you! like many others, the internet is constantly wrenching me away from reading stuff so i'm not that active in the... reading community¿
either way though, hope you have a good week mate :)
I don't get this whole problematic writers argument, like not every book is gonna conform with current ideals but that doesn't mean it's not worth reading. I have no care in reading Rand coz they don't seem like good books but there are others cases where people refuse to read books because they are controversial and think that by not reading them your in some way protecting yourself. No your just containing in your ignorance. It's like when people refuse to talk about controversial issues coz they don't wanna get in trouble, the only way you learn is by talking or looking at those issues from a neutral standpoint then forming your own decisions.
Which books you decide to read is a personal choice. It's an investment of your time and some of your head space. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to read certain books, based on any reason, really. Afterall, reading a book is a very personal experience. Unless you are reading in a class, or reading group where the reading is done aloud, it's just you and that book for at least a couple days, if not several weeks. When there are so many great books out there and only a limited amount of time in a day (or over the span of a lifetime) deciding you won't spend the effort or time on certain works for certain reasons is a perfectly acceptable practice. I personally love HP Lovecraft's work, in spite of how I feel about the man's xenophobia and racism. Some of those flawed beliefs make it into some of his works, but I am able to recognize it for what it is and enjoy the material regardless. However, purchasing an HP Lovecraft ebook isn't going to put money into the pocket of a racist, because the guy has been dead for a long time now. Purchasing books when it isn't second hand, or via some other means where the offer doesn't make money, feels too much like paying them to spout certain deplorable views.
With that said, Brandon Sanderson is a Mormon. While there could be some things people interpret as veiled allusions to his religious ideology, I don't think you can say any of his books are hateful toward other real world religions, or attempts to indoctrinate his readers. Then again, being a Mormon and being a bigot aren't exactly equivocal. Maybe I'm a rambling a bit here now, but hopefully you take my point. It should be up to the individual. Nothing wrong with being able to separate the art from the artist. If you can enjoy Heinline, or Easton Ellis, or whomever else we could mention, good on you. Not every can, though. To put it another way: I love LOTR and if Tolkien were found out to have written a bunch of essays demonizing homosexuals and other people, it would be a huge punch to the gut for me, but I'd still read and enjoy LOTR. I just wouldn't want to read those specific essays. If, on the other hand, we were in an alternate timeliness in which Hitler wrote the Hobbit... well, I wouldn't be able to be a fan of the work. It's sort of situation and individual specific, to be taken on a case by case basis. I can see things from both sides is (hopefully) the point I've been trying to make. Lol. Best wishes.
Jeez... typing on a broken phone... the typos are kind of obvious to mentally fill in the correct words though (hopefully). It won't let me edit for some reason.
@@citizensguard3433 I understand and mostly agree with you I would never say you have to read a book precisely because it's controversial (although I think it's a good idea because only through reading different material to the mainstream do you really gain your authentic worldwide). However if I was a book reviewer, I personally would rarely mention that a book is "problematic", as that term is so subjective and it depends on what you believe is a problem. I personally would be amazed if someone could find a book that could actually offend me, and then I'd be even more interested in it for that fact. But of course if you want to read just to enjoy reading and not test your worldwide then that's fine, but by saying 'problematic' your trying to turn something subjective into an objective and this should be left to the reader.
I think there's a difference between reading a serious philosophical work where you disagree with the author and reading a fiction book where some of the author's beliefs have seeped through. Like, I reread Ender's game and couldn't enjoy it that much because the author's sexism made it into the book. It's also completely reasonable to not read something because you think the author is harmful to society and you don't want to support them.
@@liammarshall-butler3384 I don't really see how an author can be 'harmful' to society. Realistically a book doesn't harm anyone, even if a book advocates for a violent act, the people who actually act that out are the ones with agency. To assume that is also to say you know what's good for society which is not a simple decision to make. Of course some claims are obviously harmful to any society but it's usually not so simple. You can have books that you disagree with but I don't think you should call a book problematic, it's just a blanket term that lacks nuisance.
I also wouldn't read Ayn Rand's books, not so much because of her politics, but because they sound boring as heck. Arquitecture? Trains? _We_ fanfiction? What a dork
We The Living, her first novel, would be a good alternative in that case.
All these questions lead to only one answer for me:
James Joyce
I feel the same way about Ayn Rand. I have a friend who adores "The Fountainhead" for Rand's writing and keeps pushing me to give it a try. She doesn't associate with Rand's views at all the book just helped her get back into reading. I think it is a book with one of the most interesting controversies because of the social stigma heavily associated with it.
If Bret Easton Ellis really is a conservative then color me surprised as those kind of themes don't show up in his books at all. I'd recommend "Less than zero" and "The rules of attraction" since too many people only want to praise "A.Psycho". Another thing about "Rules" and "Zero" is that people either really love those books or find them utterly pointless.
You could try some Philip K. Dickens instead.
No, because Philip K. Dick doesn't ally himself politically with him...
House of Leaves, Bro'....!
I loved The Girl on the Train. She's not a girl, that's a hot marketing word. She's a grown ass woman and she's on the train because she's commuting and she sees something suspicious. Gets involved because stupid. Sticks her nose in where it doesn't belong because that 's what drives stories forward. Great character POV. I love an unreliable narrator and this one's a raging alcoholic. And don' t you just love the pretty cover? The shifting/doubling werdz? It represents her drunken train riding and seeing things that aren't quite as they seem and if you trip on those tracks you'll get ch-ch-chopped up real good. Deep. Clever. Don't be a snob. More enjoyable than The Dark Tower (but then everything is).
i want to like lord of the rings, in theory it's the perfect trilogy for me it has the worldbuilding the fantasy the premise,,,,, but i just can't get trough the first book i tried 5 times already i'm gonna try again because my mom wants to watch the movies with me
Just watch the movies, all the good stuff from the books is there.
If you can push through to the last like third of Fellowship the rest of the trilogy just pulls you in and holds you. I had the same issue myself but the slowness and rather almost relaxed and small scale of the first book adds so much weight later on that you don’t realize until you’re out of the slog
i will say, i read american psycho (because i enjoyed the film) without knowing anything about bret easton ellis, and i have no interest in reading his other work because i found his idk. persona? incredibly aggravating and frustrating. just very self aggrandizing. a shame because (despite being nauseating and exhausting and genuinely making me constantly low-level anxious for a week) i think american psycho is incredibly effective and funny and does exactly what it set out to do. im glad i didnt look him up first because i probably wouldnt have read it
Legit thought you were nakey jakey in the thumb
Read the first two chapters of Atlas Shrugged and that will be all of the convincing you need to stop.
You need to read "Johnny Got His Gun", if you haven't already.
Trust me. It's horrible and amazing.
"mystery and dective books just don't really interest me"... If only he knew what was coming
Do you like Celine; Henri de Monterlant: Thomas Wolfe or Erskine Caldwell?
Lol the problematic term itself is problematic now.