Haha, that exact situation hasn't happened to me but with a powerful Pokémon like Scyther I can definitely see why Bugsy would cause a lot of problems. Thanks for commenting!
5:21 Fire Red and Let's Go retain their nOsTaLgiA, so the only psychic nerf on Sabrina's team is a special bite on Ratticate, possibly a few new beetle moves that Parasect is still learning (plus I remember for sure that Pinsir doesn't learn Bug moves, and besides, Skyter and Pinsir are not available in this moment, so...)and Magneton. Lol, who bring Magneton.
They are definitely difficult, I think a lot of us in the comments agree the normal type gym leaders maybe the toughest set of gym leaders. Thanks for commenting!
for cheren the problem is that being the first, you have access to nearly no mons and totally no items, so it becomes always a matter of good/bad luck, and being normal instead of rock or something else, you have only one weakness to exploit (and sometimes you miss it... i mean, what mons in B2/W2 can learn fighting moves so early in the game?) But Miltank is a pain in the axx, especially in HC nuzlocke! No overleveling past lvl 19 (wich means no fully evolved mons, no good fighting moves), no access to the in game trade machop, and chances to miss geodude (and even if you get it, the low level, the way lower BST made it not a guarantee, and if it is male, attract can stop it to act)
If team star were considered as gym leaders (as their bases kind of operate as one slightly), eri would be the hardest because of her stamina starmobile.
@@AlphaOrange99 You could rework it to include them by calling it "toughest badges of each type", since you get the Star badges (and Arven gives you titan badges)
I remember that I was lucky my fire croc managed to tank the last hit and deal the final blow. Oh, I can still remember the pain battling through her..
In johto, Dark has an elite four In hoenn, Dark has an elite four and Steel is the champion In Unova, Dark has an elite four and Colress is basically the steel type specialist In Kalos, Steel has an elite four In Alola, Steel has an elite four In Galar, Marie is a dark type specialist and both Rose and Peony are steel type trainers In Paldea, there's a steel type elite four
Objectively, Clay is stronger than his competition. Excadrill is a busted ace, Palpitoad has only 1 weakness & Krokorok is pretty good too. Especially for that point in the game, it's very good. Whereas Giovanni's entire team wipes to surf. After you receive a gift lapras no less. It's a joke
I think this wasn't the toughest set of gym leaders by any means so I just went with what I thought more people may struggle with. I understand both may be options. Thanks for commenting!
Here’s my thoughts: Normal- I have to give it to Lenora due to an Intimidate Herdier that can hit like a truck with its STAB Take Down. Then we get into the Watchog that has STAB Retaliate which is arguably one of the most powerful moves an early gym leader like Lenora could receive. However, that’s not the only reason that can make Lenora tough, it also has access to Hypnosis which can be really annoying. It also has Crunch to deal with Roggenrola having a chance to lower your defensive stat. Watchog overall is a pretty fast Pokémon early game, which is why with all of these into consideration I do believe Lenora is the toughest. Fire- I’d say Flannery only because Sunny Day weakens Water type moves quite a bit. When Torkoal is sent out with a White Herb as an item and Sun boosted + STAB Overheat, it can do so much to you. Not only that, but Torkoal overall is an incredibly bulky Pokemon. Water- I agree with you on Juan Grass- I also agree with you on Gardenia Psychic- Pretty obvious that Sabrina takes the win Rock- I can’t really choose between Roark or Brock (Specifically Brock in Pokemon Yellow), so I’ll give the edge to Roark because of Cranidos. Electric- I almost went with the same answer as you, being Iono, but once I looked at the moveset for her Pokémon, I realized that Mismagius is the only issue. Water Gun isn’t something to be truly worried about and Wattrel has a base 35 physical defensive stat, so it’s taken out by a lot of the early game mons despite having its flying typing. Elesa however is also no pushover, Emolga’s physical defensive stat is roughly about double of Wattrel’s while also being faster than a Garchomp with a base 103 speed. While you can catch Sandile in the desert, it’s not exactly good enough when Elesa’s pokemon can two shot it pretty easily with either Aerial Ace or Flame Charge and its only move that can deal something to Zebstrika being Sand Tomb isn’t that strong and it does nothing against Emolga. Dwebble and Roggenrola being the only rock types from that point if I recall correctly, also gets two shot by Volt Switch. Ice- Totally agree with you on Candice, especially her Platinum team with that Froslass. Fighting- I almost went with you on Maylene until I looked into Chuck a bit further. Despite having two Pokémon, they’re pretty hard hitting. Just like Maylene, having two Pokémon with rock type moves, Chuck has a Rock Slide Primeape in Heartgold and Soulsilver, Rock Slide also having a chance to flinch. You can’t put Primeape to sleep since it has the Vital Spirit ability, and it has Double Team in its moveset which can be really annoying considering it’s already a fast Pokemon. That isn’t even the toughest part though, Poliwrath has Hypnosis + STAB Focus Punch while holding a Sitrus Berry to heal up whenever. Body Slam also having a chance to paralyze you in the process, so it has a better chance of landing Focus Punch while you’re immobilized. Poison- Agreed Ground- Completely disagree with Ground, as I believe either Clay or Hapu are way more difficult than Giovanni. Giovanni may have Nidoqueen or Nidoking, but its moves are pretty mediocre, and you have a lot of answers to deal with them prior to challenging him. Hapu might not be the strongest, but she does have that Stamina Mudsdale, and we all know Stamina can be an issue. It also has the move Counter to try and take you out. Heavy Slam boosted from Stamina that can destroy ice types and you got yourself a powerhouse. Clay however is the winner for me on this, Intimidate Krokorok with STAB Bulldoze to lower your speed, Torment to prevent the same moves being used, STAB Crunch while having a chance to lower your defensive stat and Swagger to confuse you. Swagger is a hit or miss, because while you do get a x2 boost in your physical attack, confusion can hurt you a lot more with that boost. Next is Palpitoad with only 1 weakness, and just like with Krokorok it also has STAB Bulldoze. It’s also able to heal up freely every turn with Aqua Ring if you’re having issues with it and STAB Muddy Water could lower your accuracy. Lastly is Clay’s Ace being Excadrill. Excadrill has always been feared among the Nuzlocke community as it’s considered a run killer. Excadrill has a base 135 attack stat, which is powerful for that point of the game. Excadrill’s movesets either from BW or BW2 are pretty good, STAB Bulldoze, Rock Slide to deal with flying types like Ducklett if you were thinking of using it against Clay (Rock Slide also having a chance to Flinch). In BW It has the move Hone Claws to boost not only its Accuracy for Rock Slide but also its attack stat to potentially slaughter anything you have. In BW2 It gets STAB Metal Claw which has a chance to boost its attack stat. Lastly it has the move Slash which has a 50% chance to get a critical hit. Now if that wasn’t enough, challenge mode in BW2, Krokorok could set up Sandstorm, and once that Krokorok is taken out, Clay could send in Excadrill to get an insanely large attack boost with its Sand Force ability and sweep through everything. Flying- Falkner shouldn’t even be considered, he’s by far the weakest gym leader in all of Pokémon. I do agree with you on Winona though. Bug- Agreed, it should be Burgh. Ghost- This is a tough one between Ryme and Fantina. Personally I never had an issue with Fantina, but I do get the hype about her with Mismagius. Ryme on the other hand performs so well with Double Battles. Punk Rock + Hyper Voice Toxtricity can be scary, and she has Pokémon that can deal with Dark types like Houndstone with Play Rough, and we all know about Mimikyu. Banette could lower both of your Pokemon’s speed with Icy Wind if you were thinking of using speedy mons against her. I just can’t decide between the two, but I might give the edge to Ryme. Dragon- I must point out that Raihan does have 1 more versatile Pokémon than Clair as Clair only has 1 Non-Dragon Pokémon while Raihan has 2, and his team is well prepared to deal with any ice type Pokémon. Weather teams are just hard to deal with if you’re not prepared. While Clair is incredibly difficult, possibly the toughest among the entire Johto line, Raihan’s team is strictly strategy based. Drayden and Iris can be tough if you’re not prepared, as Haxorus’s Dragon Dance is scary with its monstrous 147 base attack stat, but Dragon Tail really drags both Iris and Drayden down with negative priority. Dark- Piers. He just has an overall better team than Nanu, both his Pokémon as well as movesets. Steel- Agreed Fairy- Also agree Great video though
Normal - Whitney is definitely harder than Lenora. In GS, the only counter is rare Onix with screech. HGSS gets easier thanks to in-game trade Machop/ Heracross/ rock tomb Onix. Plus, all of them have to be male. Lenora can be easily countered by Sawk/Throh. Sawk is faster than Watchog and Throh is very bulky
for Lenora vs Whitney, i would say that in B/W you can find multiple fighting mons (Throw/sawk/Timburr) with good STAB x2 moves, and you can fight her with a mirror match, with an Herdier and Watchog on your own.... However for Whitney, at that point in Jotho, the only supereffective good option is finding an Heracross with Brick break (unless you take the in game trade machop). Outside of that, any other mon is going to struggle against that cow, and the only mons that can take hits from it are the rock Onix and Geodude (with the first being pathetic in attack, and the second being way lower in BST to resist for long). Plus the combination of attract and flich from stomp can prevent you to totaly acting for multiple turns, and that cow can even cure itself, making the fight painfull long... I agree with Alpha 10000% with the normal pick. For Chuck, i find it easier that maylene because of the access to some fast flying o psychic mons even at that point in the game, amny of wich are able to OHKO primape, and the hypnosis problem for Poliwrath can be ignored with the right berry, another thing you can have at this point, plus due to low accuracy is not a consistent threat). Lucario on the other hand had a great movepool, able to deal supereffective damage to many mons that should be in type advantage against it. I totally agree with you about Clay and Elesa. Giovanni being after the part of the game where you acquire surf (and probably, if you havent one already, a water mon) means that you can deal with him with a strong reliable supereffective move, that can be also spread to more mons, plus being so late means having access to good psychic and ice mons/moves, not to mention some levitating mons, that in nuzlockes and playthorughs are nealry impossible to not see (hi weezing and gengar!). As you said, the nidos movepool are not so good, plus a Diglett with only Slash as coverage (not enough to do serious damage vs ground resisting/immune mons before falling due to weaknesses and/or poor defences) and 2 rhyhorn (or 1 + 1 rhydon) with exploitable x4 weaknesses to grass and water... In many playthrough or nuzlokes dealing with him (and Blaine) is only a matter of clicking 5-6 times the proper moves on the right lead. And as you said, the single mismagius without weaknesses cannot overcome the pain of dealing with the volt-switching mons of elesa, with 2 of them being immune to ground, and with not so many mons at that point in the game being able to learn ice or rock moves to OHKO them, plus they spread paralysis quite consistenly, and acrobatic/flare bliz are a good coverage. (obviously i talk mainly about the B/W elesa, the B/W2 version is weaker and easier due to a nerf on the movepools and flaffy taking the spot of 1 emolga)
@ispeakcockney5387 um u can get those trades in gs and hgss, not just hgss, took me like 30 seconds to verify (had to jog my memory bc i was almost postitive the trades were also in the original games)
Bro if you don’t pick mudkip flannery is one of the hardest fights in a gen 3 playthrough. Wyt kabu? If flannery isn’t hard for you; you either picked mudkip, or you planned around Flannery.
I don't think any of the fire type gym leaders were as tough as many of the others so I wasn't sure who to pick really. Thanks for commenting your opinion!
I'd argue Flannery is still more difficult than Kabu. Attract + Paralyze (Body Slam) + Sunny Day to weaken Water moves and strengthen Fire moves + A high defense ace that can easily tank a few Ground moves from Marshtomp + Signature move with 140 base power + Possible remaining Light Screen boosting Special Defense against Water moves = A very difficult fight. It doesn't even start with Torkoal, Camerupt is strong enough to severely hurt Marshtomp and even knock out weaker mons that don't resist Fire.
A fair argument to make, as I said I don't think there is a stand out winner for the fire type so I think there is definitely a debate to be had. Thanks for commenting!
To be honest I was unsure whether to include Bede or not. I think some people would and some people wouldn't so I just went with my gut because Bede felt more like a rival. Thanks for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99I’m on the same side as you. He’s more like a rival than a gym leader. He’s more like a gym trainer because he got token in by (I forgor her name. Old fairy gym leader person) and has the clothes of a gym trainer.
A lot depends on team and how you setup move sets and such but overall Pokemon isn't a very very hard game so I understand some people won't struggle in some fights. Thanks for the kind words! :)
Great video also new to the channel!!!! I also just realized why are ghost type gym leaders very tough. They’ve never missed their mark with those gym leaders AND ITS ONLY 4 of THEM 😅
I woul say Clay is the strongest ground gym leader. For Giovanni, to get to that point in the game, you have acquired the HM for Surf, so you nearly always some mon able to hit his team for supereffective damage, plus being so late means you can also have access to many others supereffective moves (ice beams, giga drain, psychic for the 2 nidos). Clay in nuzlocke is often a runkiller, and even outside of those, Excadrill is a serious threat, able to take neutral damage from Grass moves, OHKO Pignite and other fighting types aviable at this point before they can KO it, and being midgame means less option to deal with the team, plus Bulldoze as a speed controll is annoying. For the bug, i agree on the choice in term of the full gym fight, but i would underline how dangerous can be sometimes the U-turning criting Bugsy's Scyther in HG/SS
It is very surprising. I think in the earlier games the bug type was too weak to have a late gym leader but in modern games this could definitely be considered. Thanks again for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99 given the toughest Gym Leaders of every badge number, if you faced them in that order (ignoring repeated selections for the same badge number), then you actually have a difficult region to get through.
I don't think that would qualify as a gym battle for me or even a Kahuna, I understand for some people this would though but I decided not to include it. Thanks for watching!
I agree that Candice is the most difficult ice leader, although I would've picked her platinum over her BDSP team. I think snowcloak froslass is simply much more threatening because of it's ability to set up double teams to further boost it's evasion. I do understand picking the BDSP team tho, due to it having items and ev trained pokemon adding an insane degree of difficulty to the original fight, also that aurora veil abomasnow is no joke either.
people who say Whitney is the hardest chose Cyndaquil and never caught a Geodude or Machop. Norman is way more difficult thanks to having Slaking, which has a lot of speed and bulk to go with it. Plus can attack Ghost types with Faint Attack. Flannery might be the hardest fire trainer simply because her Torkoal has a ton of bulk and knows Attract Misty is definitely the hardest water type gym leader simply due to the fact that she appears early in the game and her Starmie is insanely broken (especially in Gen 1) Gardenia being the hardest grass type, yeah I can see it. Especially with the relative lack of fire-types in D/P/Pt that early on. Sabrina is sorta tough, but if you use a Dugtrio, she's manageable. Brock is a lot harder thanks to his Onix, which has a pretty high attack and defense, as well as some speed. Cranidos does have a high attack, but all the other stats suck (except maybe speed, but it isn't anything to gloat about). can't really argue with electric type. Yeah Candice is definitely the toughest ice-type. Even Pryce can be beaten with a Meganium. Nah, Brawly is way more difficult because his Machop spams Karate Chop, which btw has a high chance of a critical, plus most of the Pokemon you probably have are terrible in defense. Basically, you're fucked. Oh and he's also only the 2nd Gym leader. no comment on poison tbh Giovanni is probably the easiest in Red and Blue, but in Yellow... hoo boy... I could go either or with Winona or Falkner, for different reasons. Winona has Altaria that, btw, knows Earthquake, and Falkner and his freaking Pidgeotto that knows Mud Slap in Gen 2... No comment on Bug type, though Bugsy is pretty tricky with his Scyther and Fury Cutter. definitely a toss-up between Fantina and Morty, though in gen 2 you just get a ground type to destroy Morty's Gengar... at least until Gen 3 onward when Gengar gets Levitate. (which doesn't make sense as most of its sprites show it standing ON THE GROUND) Clair is easily the hardest thanks to Kingdra at the time, though if remade, it'd be vulnerable to Fairy type. no comment for dark honestly I think I'd have to go with Byron because of his wall of a Pokemon Bastiodon.
7:10 you forgot abt this gym leader getting froslass in platinum. Double team + snow veil made it almost impossible to hit this thing once hail was set up by abomasnow
My opinion : 1) Whitney 2) Flannery (150 stab move?! in the 4th gym) 3) Juan (Kingdra carries) 4) Gardenia 5) Sabrina (Gen 1) > Tate & Liza (In emerald) > Sabrina (Other games) 6) Roark 7) Elesa (Before Iono you can catch EVERY SINGLE Pokémon in the pokedex) 8) Candice (In Platinum) 9) Maylene 10) Roxie 11) Clay (Giovanni is Surf one tap, Clay is extremely powerful since there are few water and grass types) 12) Winona (in Emerald) 13) Burgh (in Black & White 2 Hard mode) 14) Fantina 15) Clay (in heartgold and soulsilver) 16) Nanu 17) Byron 18) Opal
However, Iono's Mismagius can be countered by the Mold Breaker ability, so if you actually have a Ground Type with Mold Breaker in Gen 9, or have a pokemon knowing a ground type attack, You pretty much beat Iono's ace
Very true but other trainers such as Elesa also can be countered by having a ground type with a rock move. Its a lot more difficult if you don't know what's coming of course. Thanks a lot for commenting!
Thank you! I think there is definitely a lot of debate with Ground and Fire which is understandable as these are 2 I didn't think were very hard anyway. Thanks for commenting!
For the dragon type I think the 8th gen’s leader would be tougher. As he uses weather conditions to slow your team down. For the steel type I’ll give it to the 4th gen’s leader and not jasmine her team isn’t the strongest and because you have choice to go to 3 different gyms at once when get to her you’ll be over leveled if you do pyrce or the fight gym first.
I don't think Gardenia is a "clear standout winner" due to how many pokemon with 4x resistance to grass you get before her gym. She does win by default, I guess, only because the other grass type gyms suck. But she's only challenging if you're doing some type of challenge run with restrictions. Otherwise, golbat, wurmple evos, burmy evos (trash in particular), vespiquen all completely counter roserade, not to mention all the other soft counters like flyers, bugs, psychics and chimchar or ponyta.
There definitely is some room for debate there and while I don't think any of the grass type gym leaders are very very hard, I think Gardenia is definitely the toughest. Thanks for commenting!
Ya boi Guzma is the best bug type gym leader! Well, pseudo-gym-leader at least. He has a trainer gauntlet and a minor puzzle to reach him, you get a story progression point and a badge-y boost-y item for beating him (the related-to-his-theme Bug Z-crystal), he isn't really the villain team boss (since that's the Aether, but either way Giovanni counted for both),
I wouldn't personally count Guzma, I understand if you would though. If you were to count him, he would definitely have a case to make for the toughest bug type gym leader. Thanks for commenting!
Normal - Yep . Fire - No, Flannery because of Sunny Day + Overheat Water - No, Misty because Starmie will outspeed all of your team and can confuse with Water Pulse Grass - Yep Psychic - Yep Rock - No, Grant because Tyrunt's Dragon type negates the Grass & Water advantages you mentioned Electric - No, most Gen 9 Gyms don't even have complete movesets & Missy falls to any decent physical attacker. Elesa will wear any non-Ground type down with Volt Switch Ice- Yep Fighting - Yep Poison - Yep Ground - No, Clay's Excadrill hits harder than most legendaries with 135 Atk & Bulldoze slows down faster attackers Flying - Yep Bug - Maybe? Viola & Bugsy are just as good Ghost - No, Morty has the Gengar family which is more challenging, brought a Bidoof to Fantina and it did a lot of work Dragon - Yep Dark - Yep Steel - Yep Fairy - Definitely not Opal, she's surprisingly despite being an old lady with plenty of experience. Valerie or Mina.
If you picked Wallace for water type, I would think not. Despite he knocking out nearly all my pokemon, my groudon (Which is weak to water and I had no healing items), defeated him.
I like Candice, but I think Pryce was more overpowered than her. Pryce uses Dewgong and Piloswine which both have an advantage against Fire and Steel types.
I never found Whitney particularly hard. Same goes for Norman. Both are pretty easy, once you figured their strategy. Lenora on the other hand trips me up every time. Might be because I played Gen 2 and 3 a ton, while I'm not having as much experience with BW 2. But than I never found Cynthia a particularly hard champion either. I struggle a lot more with Leon tbh. And a lot of these experiences are both in normal gameplay and nuzlockes (my bdsp nuzlocke was ended by Lucian, not Cynthia. I came well prepared for her. But I underestimated Bronzong. And I still struggle with Lucian whenever I run the E4 to get money or ribbons). Also yes, Sinnoh has no fire types to take Gardenia on besides a starter and Ponyta. But Sinnoh has one of the best regional birds in the Starly-line and early Kadabra. Both of which can take Roserade on. Doesn't change the fact that she is ridiculously overpowered with a fully evolved Pokemon thus early
I think everyone struggled with at least one of the normal type gym leaders so any could be correct answers! And there are a lot of options to take on Gardenia but it she is still very powerful! Thanks for commenting!
Gotta say, it's a little bit unfair that you hold it against Opal that you can get stat boosts for answering a question right, but don't bring it up for Ryme's fight where it is arguably easier because you don't have to select an answer to a question but just get it from normal gameplay. Also I think overall, your opinions sometimes seemed a little too depending on Supereffective moves. If you picked e.g. Sprigatito for your Gen 9 playthrough, you have solid mid-stage with Floragato that resists Mismagius' tera boosted Charge Beam while offering potentially solid counterplay. Aside from that, though, I think most of these picks are a valid choice for hardest. Cheren definitely is more difficult than Whitney, though, as you don't even get something that resists his attacks, whereas against Whitney, you can get a Geodude and an Onix beforehand.
I think with some of the fights where questions are involved or general changes to the gameplay it was tough to judge so I just did my best, but I'm glad you mostly agreed anyway haha! Thanks for commenting!
There did seem to be a lot of Sinnoh, but Platinum and BDSP are known as some of the harder games in the series so this does make sense. Thanks for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99 not with a Psychic Weakness. A Utuber actually researched every Pokémon for an In-Game playthrough and Parasect was objectively better despite not being available for the first Gym.
Sabrina is definitely the easiest she's been in Let's Go, she can still be tough but there are more ways to counter her but Erika's gym can also be difficult to beat. Thanks for commenting!
Normal-Whitney is the winner her miltank is too good and you lack options (norman close second) Fire-has to be Flannery, Torkoal+Sunny Day+Overheat is too strong of a combo for the 4th gym Water- Agree on Juan his Kingdra is anoying as hell Grass- All too Weak so agree on Gardenia Psychic- Tate & Liza in Emerald in a run Killer (Screens + Calm Mind Psychic Combo) but Gen 1 Sabrina is too broken so agree Rock- Same as grass all too weak but Roark in some cases can be kinda hard Electric- Iono can be tough but Wattson is certain dead if you dont choose mudkip (shock wave is too strong) Ice- Agree on Candice , with her froslass the margin gets even bigger to the other gym leaders Fighting- Agree, Maylene is the strongest but honorable mention to Brawly (bulk up can cause problems) Poison- All super easy but agree on Koga Ground- Giovanni Should be stronger but in reality he isnt Water moves and pokemon at that point are what you see the most (Water type+Surf and you win) so i will give to Clay and his Excadrill Flying- Winona is the obvious choice Altaria Dragon dance can be a disaster if you are not ready for it Bug- I will say Bugsy because her Scyther with fury cutter it can kill you super easy Ghost- Agree Fantina Mismagius+Shadow Ball so early can cause alot of problems (in Platinum), Morty can seem super easy (and it is with a normal type) but Gengar move set can be real tough to deal with it. Dragon- Clair is the clear choice ,Kingdra is only weak to himself (and good luck getting him) which makes him a pain to deal with Dark- Well i agree because they are both so ez. Steel- Jasmine is clear (Steelix is menacing and dangerous) Fairy- The questions makes this a stupid choice to make
Haha that's not one I had on my list but I will certainly add it if its one you'd like to see. Can't garuntee when it'll be or if it'll just be Powerpuff Girls (maybe Kids TV characters or Cartoons) but I'll try do it as soon as I can. Thanks for commenting!
I've said it dozens of times before, I'll likely say it dozens more: If you legitimately find Whitney to be a tough gym leader, you're just not that good at Pokemon.
And the Slaking can be made into a joke with Dig, Fly, Protect, Detect, etc etc. No baseline pokemon game has really any difficulty when played normally without arbitrary restrictions, if you find ANY gym leader to be "tough" in a casual all-items let-em-faint switch-mode Pokemon playthrough... You're just not that good at Pokemon. Whitney presents a unique irritation compared to other early gym leaders, a modified form of stall strats: Attract into a build-up damage move. Compared to all the others, where it's just "be better at pressing your strongest move", she's the only one WITH strats, so she gets the medal.
When talking about the ice type, why didn't you mention Candice's Platinum team where she has her snow warning abomasnow of course but that can be dangerous considering her ace in Platinum is a snow cloak Froslass with double team which makes it hard to even hit, and even if you do, the sitrus berry it holds can restore its health Basically I agree that Candice is the strongest ice type gym leader, however her diamond and pearl team isn't the strongest team she has
Sorry there was a lot of teams to look through and I agree her Platinum team was probably harder but I missed this in the video. Thanks for commenting.
I think after doing this video its made me realise the normal type gym leaders are probably the most difficult set of gym leaders, I can see how someone could struggle with any of them. Thanks for commenting!
@AlphaOrange99 perhaps a video ranking type specialists. Including best teams (rematch teams, world tournament teams), elite 4, and antagonists. I think that would be a great series
I don't know about you, but IMO, Raihan's gym is the most difficult Dragon type Gym. An unprepared trainer will be gobsmacked by his Surprise Double battle and Weather strategy. I've seen so many blind nuzlockes lost many Pokemon due to Raihan.
Giovanni and Clair are the weakest gymleaders in their respective games, not the strongest. the strongest ground type is Clay who is running a sandstorm team, and the strongest dragon is Raihan because he actually has a team. Skyla and Winona are also hard to judge, since B2W2 Skyla is better then Winona, who is better then BW Skyla because Unfezant is just trash where as secretly being a psychic flying gym makes Skyla unique as basically the only Non-rock/ground dual type gym leader I still want a Flying Type gym leader with Tropius, Talonflame, Peliper, Kilowattrel, Glygar, and Skarmory. just an actual teamcomp but all of them are flying.
Thanks for sharing your opinions it seems a lot of people agree with you about Clay but I think Clair being weak is very controversial haha. Thanks for commenting!
People just like Elesa because of Pokémon’s setup- a model “Taylor Swift”- esque mid-tier level story introduction that preempts Elsa, Frozen. I must say let it go because most otaku have some fap action.
Iono tougher than Elesa?!? Have you ever played Pokémon Black 2/White 2? I thought my poor Servine would be good at absorbing Volt switch but her Zebstrika knows flame charge too…
This was definitely a tough decision. However, I thought more people would be unprepared for the Iono fight as not many people would have a Pokémon with smack down. Where as, you can get a ground type right before Elesa's gym which really helps prevent the volt switches. This was a very tough decisions for me though and I can see how people would struggle with both! Thanks for commenting!
Falkner is NOT the toughest whatsoever. The only thing that really makes his team tough is roost, and he's notorious for having a level 9 ace. Although that's around your level by that time in the game, he's a pretty easy leader to beat.
**Flashbacks to the double hell of Faulkner and Bugsy that is only having Chikorita and maybe a few other Pokémon that were underleveled.** (I don’t like Geodude so I never used it and can’t use the form I like anyway, as Golem is a trade evolution.)
8:15 nahhh no he isnt. I havent seen a single person struggle with beating koga even in "can you beat (gen 1 game) with just one (pokemon)" videos. Roxie, on the other hand, is really strong because she's the second gym leader and at this point your only options are: starter, none of which have any super effective move against poison types, and baby pokemon with very weak stats. I never had any problem with any gym leader in any game except for her even tho I already had 3 Pokemon by this point (Dewott, Riolu, Elekid). Im pretyy sure the only reason why I was able to beat her without heavy grinding was because my riolu evolved into lucario...
@@berserkerciaran Sawk is faster than Watchog and Throh is very bulky. Miltank is still faster than Machop. Also, stomp Miltank has a chance to flinch you
Everyone always thinks Whitney is tough.....why? When I was 9 and gen 2 just dropped, she wasn't hard....now you kids have the full force of the internet....its just sad.
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Bro's Geodude has never taken a double critical fury swipe with a missed rock throw from Bugsy's scyther
Haha, that exact situation hasn't happened to me but with a powerful Pokémon like Scyther I can definitely see why Bugsy would cause a lot of problems. Thanks for commenting!
that's when you get the flying type out
Now that I think of it, the Sinnoh Gym leaders are exceptionally difficult, especially by todays standards. And I loved it.
I really love the Sinnoh games and the challenge that comes with them! Thanks for commenting hope you enjoyed the video!
2:11 I believe that almost all normal Gym leaders are extraordinarily difficult compared to the rest. Except Cherrin
5:21 Fire Red and Let's Go retain their nOsTaLgiA, so the only psychic nerf on Sabrina's team is a special bite on Ratticate, possibly a few new beetle moves that Parasect is still learning (plus I remember for sure that Pinsir doesn't learn Bug moves, and besides, Skyter and Pinsir are not available in this moment, so...)and Magneton. Lol, who bring Magneton.
I think a lot of us have agreed that they are the toughest in the comments. Thanks for commenting!
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Ok. I get this is in normal gameplay. But the amount of nuzlockes attempts I've watch against Cheren, and even Lenora
They are definitely difficult, I think a lot of us in the comments agree the normal type gym leaders maybe the toughest set of gym leaders. Thanks for commenting!
for cheren the problem is that being the first, you have access to nearly no mons and totally no items, so it becomes always a matter of good/bad luck, and being normal instead of rock or something else, you have only one weakness to exploit (and sometimes you miss it... i mean, what mons in B2/W2 can learn fighting moves so early in the game?)
But Miltank is a pain in the axx, especially in HC nuzlocke! No overleveling past lvl 19 (wich means no fully evolved mons, no good fighting moves), no access to the in game trade machop, and chances to miss geodude (and even if you get it, the low level, the way lower BST made it not a guarantee, and if it is male, attract can stop it to act)
If team star were considered as gym leaders (as their bases kind of operate as one slightly), eri would be the hardest because of her stamina starmobile.
There maybe a few changes if I had included team star but I decided not to as I wanted to stick to strictly gym leaders. Thanks for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99 You could rework it to include them by calling it "toughest badges of each type", since you get the Star badges (and Arven gives you titan badges)
I remember that I was lucky my fire croc managed to tank the last hit and deal the final blow.
Oh, I can still remember the pain battling through her..
Huh, never realized how little a type would get picked for gym leader. I fully thought Dark and Steel would have more gym leaders!
Me too there was definitely a few surprising ones to me too. Thanks for watching and for commenting!
Makes sense though, since the first dark type specialist that wasn’t an e four member was introduced in gen 7.
In johto, Dark has an elite four
In hoenn, Dark has an elite four and Steel is the champion
In Unova, Dark has an elite four and Colress is basically the steel type specialist
In Kalos, Steel has an elite four
In Alola, Steel has an elite four
In Galar, Marie is a dark type specialist and both Rose and Peony are steel type trainers
In Paldea, there's a steel type elite four
@@Aceofknowledge101 That *isnt* an e four member
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Objectively, Clay is stronger than his competition. Excadrill is a busted ace, Palpitoad has only 1 weakness & Krokorok is pretty good too. Especially for that point in the game, it's very good. Whereas Giovanni's entire team wipes to surf. After you receive a gift lapras no less. It's a joke
I think this wasn't the toughest set of gym leaders by any means so I just went with what I thought more people may struggle with. I understand both may be options. Thanks for commenting!
Another banger bro, keep it up 🙏🙏
Edit: Never noticed there were only 2 steel gym leaders haha
Thank you man! And yeah how many water leaders there are surprised me haha.
Here’s my thoughts:
Normal- I have to give it to Lenora due to an Intimidate Herdier that can hit like a truck with its STAB Take Down. Then we get into the Watchog that has STAB Retaliate which is arguably one of the most powerful moves an early gym leader like Lenora could receive. However, that’s not the only reason that can make Lenora tough, it also has access to Hypnosis which can be really annoying. It also has Crunch to deal with Roggenrola having a chance to lower your defensive stat. Watchog overall is a pretty fast Pokémon early game, which is why with all of these into consideration I do believe Lenora is the toughest.
Fire- I’d say Flannery only because Sunny Day weakens Water type moves quite a bit. When Torkoal is sent out with a White Herb as an item and Sun boosted + STAB Overheat, it can do so much to you. Not only that, but Torkoal overall is an incredibly bulky Pokemon.
Water- I agree with you on Juan
Grass- I also agree with you on Gardenia
Psychic- Pretty obvious that Sabrina takes the win
Rock- I can’t really choose between Roark or Brock (Specifically Brock in Pokemon Yellow), so I’ll give the edge to Roark because of Cranidos.
Electric- I almost went with the same answer as you, being Iono, but once I looked at the moveset for her Pokémon, I realized that Mismagius is the only issue. Water Gun isn’t something to be truly worried about and Wattrel has a base 35 physical defensive stat, so it’s taken out by a lot of the early game mons despite having its flying typing. Elesa however is also no pushover, Emolga’s physical defensive stat is roughly about double of Wattrel’s while also being faster than a Garchomp with a base 103 speed. While you can catch Sandile in the desert, it’s not exactly good enough when Elesa’s pokemon can two shot it pretty easily with either Aerial Ace or Flame Charge and its only move that can deal something to Zebstrika being Sand Tomb isn’t that strong and it does nothing against Emolga. Dwebble and Roggenrola being the only rock types from that point if I recall correctly, also gets two shot by Volt Switch.
Ice- Totally agree with you on Candice, especially her Platinum team with that Froslass.
Fighting- I almost went with you on Maylene until I looked into Chuck a bit further. Despite having two Pokémon, they’re pretty hard hitting. Just like Maylene, having two Pokémon with rock type moves, Chuck has a Rock Slide Primeape in Heartgold and Soulsilver, Rock Slide also having a chance to flinch. You can’t put Primeape to sleep since it has the Vital Spirit ability, and it has Double Team in its moveset which can be really annoying considering it’s already a fast Pokemon. That isn’t even the toughest part though, Poliwrath has Hypnosis + STAB Focus Punch while holding a Sitrus Berry to heal up whenever. Body Slam also having a chance to paralyze you in the process, so it has a better chance of landing Focus Punch while you’re immobilized.
Poison- Agreed
Ground- Completely disagree with Ground, as I believe either Clay or Hapu are way more difficult than Giovanni. Giovanni may have Nidoqueen or Nidoking, but its moves are pretty mediocre, and you have a lot of answers to deal with them prior to challenging him. Hapu might not be the strongest, but she does have that Stamina Mudsdale, and we all know Stamina can be an issue. It also has the move Counter to try and take you out. Heavy Slam boosted from Stamina that can destroy ice types and you got yourself a powerhouse. Clay however is the winner for me on this, Intimidate Krokorok with STAB Bulldoze to lower your speed, Torment to prevent the same moves being used, STAB Crunch while having a chance to lower your defensive stat and Swagger to confuse you. Swagger is a hit or miss, because while you do get a x2 boost in your physical attack, confusion can hurt you a lot more with that boost. Next is Palpitoad with only 1 weakness, and just like with Krokorok it also has STAB Bulldoze. It’s also able to heal up freely every turn with Aqua Ring if you’re having issues with it and STAB Muddy Water could lower your accuracy. Lastly is Clay’s Ace being Excadrill. Excadrill has always been feared among the Nuzlocke community as it’s considered a run killer. Excadrill has a base 135 attack stat, which is powerful for that point of the game. Excadrill’s movesets either from BW or BW2 are pretty good, STAB Bulldoze, Rock Slide to deal with flying types like Ducklett if you were thinking of using it against Clay (Rock Slide also having a chance to Flinch). In BW It has the move Hone Claws to boost not only its Accuracy for Rock Slide but also its attack stat to potentially slaughter anything you have. In BW2 It gets STAB Metal Claw which has a chance to boost its attack stat. Lastly it has the move Slash which has a 50% chance to get a critical hit. Now if that wasn’t enough, challenge mode in BW2, Krokorok could set up Sandstorm, and once that Krokorok is taken out, Clay could send in Excadrill to get an insanely large attack boost with its Sand Force ability and sweep through everything.
Flying- Falkner shouldn’t even be considered, he’s by far the weakest gym leader in all of Pokémon. I do agree with you on Winona though.
Bug- Agreed, it should be Burgh.
Ghost- This is a tough one between Ryme and Fantina. Personally I never had an issue with Fantina, but I do get the hype about her with Mismagius. Ryme on the other hand performs so well with Double Battles. Punk Rock + Hyper Voice Toxtricity can be scary, and she has Pokémon that can deal with Dark types like Houndstone with Play Rough, and we all know about Mimikyu. Banette could lower both of your Pokemon’s speed with Icy Wind if you were thinking of using speedy mons against her. I just can’t decide between the two, but I might give the edge to Ryme.
Dragon- I must point out that Raihan does have 1 more versatile Pokémon than Clair as Clair only has 1 Non-Dragon Pokémon while Raihan has 2, and his team is well prepared to deal with any ice type Pokémon. Weather teams are just hard to deal with if you’re not prepared. While Clair is incredibly difficult, possibly the toughest among the entire Johto line, Raihan’s team is strictly strategy based. Drayden and Iris can be tough if you’re not prepared, as Haxorus’s Dragon Dance is scary with its monstrous 147 base attack stat, but Dragon Tail really drags both Iris and Drayden down with negative priority.
Dark- Piers. He just has an overall better team than Nanu, both his Pokémon as well as movesets.
Steel- Agreed
Fairy- Also agree
Great video though
Thanks for commenting, definitely some interesting opinions here and some things I didn't even think of. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Normal - Whitney is definitely harder than Lenora. In GS, the only counter is rare Onix with screech. HGSS gets easier thanks to in-game trade Machop/ Heracross/ rock tomb Onix. Plus, all of them have to be male. Lenora can be easily countered by Sawk/Throh. Sawk is faster than Watchog and Throh is very bulky
for Lenora vs Whitney, i would say that in B/W you can find multiple fighting mons (Throw/sawk/Timburr) with good STAB x2 moves, and you can fight her with a mirror match, with an Herdier and Watchog on your own....
However for Whitney, at that point in Jotho, the only supereffective good option is finding an Heracross with Brick break (unless you take the in game trade machop). Outside of that, any other mon is going to struggle against that cow, and the only mons that can take hits from it are the rock Onix and Geodude (with the first being pathetic in attack, and the second being way lower in BST to resist for long). Plus the combination of attract and flich from stomp can prevent you to totaly acting for multiple turns, and that cow can even cure itself, making the fight painfull long... I agree with Alpha 10000% with the normal pick.
For Chuck, i find it easier that maylene because of the access to some fast flying o psychic mons even at that point in the game, amny of wich are able to OHKO primape, and the hypnosis problem for Poliwrath can be ignored with the right berry, another thing you can have at this point, plus due to low accuracy is not a consistent threat).
Lucario on the other hand had a great movepool, able to deal supereffective damage to many mons that should be in type advantage against it.
I totally agree with you about Clay and Elesa.
Giovanni being after the part of the game where you acquire surf (and probably, if you havent one already, a water mon) means that you can deal with him with a strong reliable supereffective move, that can be also spread to more mons, plus being so late means having access to good psychic and ice mons/moves, not to mention some levitating mons, that in nuzlockes and playthorughs are nealry impossible to not see (hi weezing and gengar!). As you said, the nidos movepool are not so good, plus a Diglett with only Slash as coverage (not enough to do serious damage vs ground resisting/immune mons before falling due to weaknesses and/or poor defences) and 2 rhyhorn (or 1 + 1 rhydon) with exploitable x4 weaknesses to grass and water...
In many playthrough or nuzlokes dealing with him (and Blaine) is only a matter of clicking 5-6 times the proper moves on the right lead.
And as you said, the single mismagius without weaknesses cannot overcome the pain of dealing with the volt-switching mons of elesa, with 2 of them being immune to ground, and with not so many mons at that point in the game being able to learn ice or rock moves to OHKO them, plus they spread paralysis quite consistenly, and acrobatic/flare bliz are a good coverage. (obviously i talk mainly about the B/W elesa, the B/W2 version is weaker and easier due to a nerf on the movepools and flaffy taking the spot of 1 emolga)
@ispeakcockney5387 um u can get those trades in gs and hgss, not just hgss, took me like 30 seconds to verify (had to jog my memory bc i was almost postitive the trades were also in the original games)
Bro if you don’t pick mudkip flannery is one of the hardest fights in a gen 3 playthrough. Wyt kabu? If flannery isn’t hard for you; you either picked mudkip, or you planned around Flannery.
I don't think any of the fire type gym leaders were as tough as many of the others so I wasn't sure who to pick really. Thanks for commenting your opinion!
I'd argue Flannery is still more difficult than Kabu.
Attract + Paralyze (Body Slam) + Sunny Day to weaken Water moves and strengthen Fire moves + A high defense ace that can easily tank a few Ground moves from Marshtomp + Signature move with 140 base power + Possible remaining Light Screen boosting Special Defense against Water moves = A very difficult fight. It doesn't even start with Torkoal, Camerupt is strong enough to severely hurt Marshtomp and even knock out weaker mons that don't resist Fire.
A fair argument to make, as I said I don't think there is a stand out winner for the fire type so I think there is definitely a debate to be had. Thanks for commenting!
Oh, I also forgot the White Herb Torkoal has in Emerald to negate one attack reduction from Overheat.
Winona's Altaria wrecked my team so many times
Very tough fight indeed! Thanks for the comment.
Technically you do fight Bede when he becomes a Fairy type gym leader
To be honest I was unsure whether to include Bede or not. I think some people would and some people wouldn't so I just went with my gut because Bede felt more like a rival. Thanks for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99I’m on the same side as you. He’s more like a rival than a gym leader. He’s more like a gym trainer because he got token in by (I forgor her name. Old fairy gym leader person) and has the clothes of a gym trainer.
Whitney having the metal energy instead of colorless in the thumbnail is triggering me more than it should 😂
Haha I didn't even realise I made this mistake. Hope you enjoyed the rest of the video!
Never really had trouble with Whitney and never understood why people had so much trouble with her. Great video btw!
A lot depends on team and how you setup move sets and such but overall Pokemon isn't a very very hard game so I understand some people won't struggle in some fights. Thanks for the kind words! :)
Great video also new to the channel!!!! I also just realized why are ghost type gym leaders very tough. They’ve never missed their mark with those gym leaders AND ITS ONLY 4 of THEM 😅
Thank you, hope you're looking forward to future content! And definitely one of the trickier sets of gym leaders despite there being not many of them.
Just stumbled on this. Great video! Keep it up. 🙂
Thank you and thanks for watching !!
Everyone please vote on the community tab whether you think the normal type has the toughest set of gym leaders or not 😀
great video bro!! keep up the good work
Thank you so much!
Well done on the vid! I enjoyed it a lot
Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Will be video like this but with rematch teams
I woul say Clay is the strongest ground gym leader.
For Giovanni, to get to that point in the game, you have acquired the HM for Surf, so you nearly always some mon able to hit his team for supereffective damage, plus being so late means you can also have access to many others supereffective moves (ice beams, giga drain, psychic for the 2 nidos).
Clay in nuzlocke is often a runkiller, and even outside of those, Excadrill is a serious threat, able to take neutral damage from Grass moves, OHKO Pignite and other fighting types aviable at this point before they can KO it, and being midgame means less option to deal with the team, plus Bulldoze as a speed controll is annoying.
For the bug, i agree on the choice in term of the full gym fight, but i would underline how dangerous can be sometimes the U-turning criting Bugsy's Scyther in HG/SS
Thanks for sharing your opinions. Hope you enjoyed the video!
@ 9:51
It’s wild there isn’t a late Bug Type Gym Leader. Sure, there’s Aaron in Sinnoh, but he’s an E4, not a Gym Leader. Fascinating!
It is very surprising. I think in the earlier games the bug type was too weak to have a late gym leader but in modern games this could definitely be considered. Thanks again for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99 given the toughest Gym Leaders of every badge number, if you faced them in that order (ignoring repeated selections for the same badge number), then you actually have a difficult region to get through.
In one of the best hacks of all time, pokemon unbound, the bug type gym is the last gym iirc
You forgot Mina in USUM trial battle for Fairy.
I don't think that would qualify as a gym battle for me or even a Kahuna, I understand for some people this would though but I decided not to include it. Thanks for watching!
I agree that Candice is the most difficult ice leader, although I would've picked her platinum over her BDSP team. I think snowcloak froslass is simply much more threatening because of it's ability to set up double teams to further boost it's evasion. I do understand picking the BDSP team tho, due to it having items and ev trained pokemon adding an insane degree of difficulty to the original fight, also that aurora veil abomasnow is no joke either.
A lot of people seem to share this thought. Thanks for commenting!
people who say Whitney is the hardest chose Cyndaquil and never caught a Geodude or Machop. Norman is way more difficult thanks to having Slaking, which has a lot of speed and bulk to go with it. Plus can attack Ghost types with Faint Attack.
Flannery might be the hardest fire trainer simply because her Torkoal has a ton of bulk and knows Attract
Misty is definitely the hardest water type gym leader simply due to the fact that she appears early in the game and her Starmie is insanely broken (especially in Gen 1)
Gardenia being the hardest grass type, yeah I can see it. Especially with the relative lack of fire-types in D/P/Pt that early on.
Sabrina is sorta tough, but if you use a Dugtrio, she's manageable.
Brock is a lot harder thanks to his Onix, which has a pretty high attack and defense, as well as some speed. Cranidos does have a high attack, but all the other stats suck (except maybe speed, but it isn't anything to gloat about).
can't really argue with electric type.
Yeah Candice is definitely the toughest ice-type. Even Pryce can be beaten with a Meganium.
Nah, Brawly is way more difficult because his Machop spams Karate Chop, which btw has a high chance of a critical, plus most of the Pokemon you probably have are terrible in defense. Basically, you're fucked. Oh and he's also only the 2nd Gym leader.
no comment on poison tbh
Giovanni is probably the easiest in Red and Blue, but in Yellow... hoo boy...
I could go either or with Winona or Falkner, for different reasons. Winona has Altaria that, btw, knows Earthquake, and Falkner and his freaking Pidgeotto that knows Mud Slap in Gen 2...
No comment on Bug type, though Bugsy is pretty tricky with his Scyther and Fury Cutter.
definitely a toss-up between Fantina and Morty, though in gen 2 you just get a ground type to destroy Morty's Gengar... at least until Gen 3 onward when Gengar gets Levitate. (which doesn't make sense as most of its sprites show it standing ON THE GROUND)
Clair is easily the hardest thanks to Kingdra at the time, though if remade, it'd be vulnerable to Fairy type.
no comment for dark
honestly I think I'd have to go with Byron because of his wall of a Pokemon Bastiodon.
Thanks for commenting your opinions! Hope you enjoyed the video.
Controversial but I consistently had more trouble with Tate & Liza in Emerald than I ever did with Sabrina in any game.
Wow that's a surprising pick! But I can see how you'd find them tough. Thanks for commenting!
why arent you and this video more popular? 132nd subscriber :3
Awe thanks so much for the nice comment! Glad you enjoyed the video and have subscribed :)
I feel like clay is normally a lot scarier because of how good excadrill is at that point in the game. I almost always just seeep Giovanni with surf
7:10 you forgot abt this gym leader getting froslass in platinum. Double team + snow veil made it almost impossible to hit this thing once hail was set up by abomasnow
This was something I missed, sorry about that! Thanks for commenting!
@@AlphaOrange99 nah it's ok, good video btw👍
Whitney was the one gym leader I feared. I reset to get the 30% of female to not deal with Attract. Everyone else is fair game.
Great tactic to help with Whitney haha! Thanks for watching.
My opinion :
1) Whitney
2) Flannery (150 stab move?! in the 4th gym)
3) Juan (Kingdra carries)
4) Gardenia
5) Sabrina (Gen 1) > Tate & Liza (In emerald) > Sabrina (Other games)
6) Roark
7) Elesa (Before Iono you can catch EVERY SINGLE Pokémon in the pokedex)
8) Candice (In Platinum)
9) Maylene
10) Roxie
11) Clay (Giovanni is Surf one tap, Clay is extremely powerful since there are few water and grass types)
12) Winona (in Emerald)
13) Burgh (in Black & White 2 Hard mode)
14) Fantina
15) Clay (in heartgold and soulsilver)
16) Nanu
17) Byron
18) Opal
Thanks for commenting your choices, nice to see we mostly agree! Hope you enjoyed the video.
However, Iono's Mismagius can be countered by the Mold Breaker ability, so if you actually have a Ground Type with Mold Breaker in Gen 9, or have a pokemon knowing a ground type attack, You pretty much beat Iono's ace
Very true but other trainers such as Elesa also can be countered by having a ground type with a rock move. Its a lot more difficult if you don't know what's coming of course. Thanks a lot for commenting!
great Video, although I personally dont agree with ground, bug and fire. The Excadrill, Scyther and Torkoal are insanely hard to beat.
Thank you! I think there is definitely a lot of debate with Ground and Fire which is understandable as these are 2 I didn't think were very hard anyway. Thanks for commenting!
For the dragon type I think the 8th gen’s leader would be tougher. As he uses weather conditions to slow your team down. For the steel type I’ll give it to the 4th gen’s leader and not jasmine her team isn’t the strongest and because you have choice to go to 3 different gyms at once when get to her you’ll be over leveled if you do pyrce or the fight gym first.
Dragon was definitely tricky to decide as all can cause problems. Thanks for sharing your opinions!
I don't think Gardenia is a "clear standout winner" due to how many pokemon with 4x resistance to grass you get before her gym. She does win by default, I guess, only because the other grass type gyms suck. But she's only challenging if you're doing some type of challenge run with restrictions. Otherwise, golbat, wurmple evos, burmy evos (trash in particular), vespiquen all completely counter roserade, not to mention all the other soft counters like flyers, bugs, psychics and chimchar or ponyta.
There definitely is some room for debate there and while I don't think any of the grass type gym leaders are very very hard, I think Gardenia is definitely the toughest. Thanks for commenting!
Ya boi Guzma is the best bug type gym leader!
Well, pseudo-gym-leader at least. He has a trainer gauntlet and a minor puzzle to reach him, you get a story progression point and a badge-y boost-y item for beating him (the related-to-his-theme Bug Z-crystal), he isn't really the villain team boss (since that's the Aether, but either way Giovanni counted for both),
I wouldn't personally count Guzma, I understand if you would though. If you were to count him, he would definitely have a case to make for the toughest bug type gym leader. Thanks for commenting!
Normal - Yep
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Fire - No, Flannery because of Sunny Day + Overheat
Water - No, Misty because Starmie will outspeed all of your team and can confuse with Water Pulse
Grass - Yep
Psychic - Yep
Rock - No, Grant because Tyrunt's Dragon type negates the Grass & Water advantages you mentioned
Electric - No, most Gen 9 Gyms don't even have complete movesets & Missy falls to any decent physical attacker. Elesa will wear any non-Ground type down with Volt Switch
Ice- Yep
Fighting - Yep
Poison - Yep
Ground - No, Clay's Excadrill hits harder than most legendaries with 135 Atk & Bulldoze slows down faster attackers
Flying - Yep
Bug - Maybe? Viola & Bugsy are just as good
Ghost - No, Morty has the Gengar family which is more challenging, brought a Bidoof to Fantina and it did a lot of work
Dragon - Yep
Dark - Yep
Steel - Yep
Fairy - Definitely not Opal, she's surprisingly despite being an old lady with plenty of experience. Valerie or Mina.
Thanks for commenting your choices, nice to see a lot we agree on and a lot of variation! Hope you enjoyed the video.
If you picked Wallace for water type, I would think not. Despite he knocking out nearly all my pokemon, my groudon (Which is weak to water and I had no healing items), defeated him.
Wallace can be tricky but he doesn't have great coverage in moves and I think Juan is definitely harder! Thanks for commenting.
I like Candice, but I think Pryce was more overpowered than her. Pryce uses Dewgong and Piloswine which both have an advantage against Fire and Steel types.
Interesting choice, I think Candice is more tough but I can see why you chose Pryce. Thanks for commenting!
I never found Whitney particularly hard. Same goes for Norman. Both are pretty easy, once you figured their strategy. Lenora on the other hand trips me up every time. Might be because I played Gen 2 and 3 a ton, while I'm not having as much experience with BW 2. But than I never found Cynthia a particularly hard champion either. I struggle a lot more with Leon tbh. And a lot of these experiences are both in normal gameplay and nuzlockes (my bdsp nuzlocke was ended by Lucian, not Cynthia. I came well prepared for her. But I underestimated Bronzong. And I still struggle with Lucian whenever I run the E4 to get money or ribbons).
Also yes, Sinnoh has no fire types to take Gardenia on besides a starter and Ponyta. But Sinnoh has one of the best regional birds in the Starly-line and early Kadabra. Both of which can take Roserade on. Doesn't change the fact that she is ridiculously overpowered with a fully evolved Pokemon thus early
I think everyone struggled with at least one of the normal type gym leaders so any could be correct answers! And there are a lot of options to take on Gardenia but it she is still very powerful! Thanks for commenting!
Great video!
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed!
Gotta say, it's a little bit unfair that you hold it against Opal that you can get stat boosts for answering a question right, but don't bring it up for Ryme's fight where it is arguably easier because you don't have to select an answer to a question but just get it from normal gameplay. Also I think overall, your opinions sometimes seemed a little too depending on Supereffective moves. If you picked e.g. Sprigatito for your Gen 9 playthrough, you have solid mid-stage with Floragato that resists Mismagius' tera boosted Charge Beam while offering potentially solid counterplay.
Aside from that, though, I think most of these picks are a valid choice for hardest. Cheren definitely is more difficult than Whitney, though, as you don't even get something that resists his attacks, whereas against Whitney, you can get a Geodude and an Onix beforehand.
I think with some of the fights where questions are involved or general changes to the gameplay it was tough to judge so I just did my best, but I'm glad you mostly agreed anyway haha! Thanks for commenting!
Sinnoh had a great showing!
There did seem to be a lot of Sinnoh, but Platinum and BDSP are known as some of the harder games in the series so this does make sense. Thanks for commenting!
@ 5:14
Fun Fact… Parasect is the strongest Bug type for an in-game playthrough. Because Scyther and Pinsir don’t learn Bug-Type Moves!!
Thanks for commenting. Some may also say Beedrill may be the strongest?
@@AlphaOrange99 not with a Psychic Weakness. A Utuber actually researched every Pokémon for an In-Game playthrough and Parasect was objectively better despite not being available for the first Gym.
6:43 about that i just used smack down and spammed it with ground moves so yeah it can be tough however smackdown can just shut it completly off
This is definitely a good tactic to use. However, if you are unprepared it becomes a lot more tricky. Thanks for sharing!
@@AlphaOrange99 agreed i just always abuse the hell outta smackdown
8:01 i still have pstd from lucario's drain punch
Lives in my head rent free haha. Thanks for commenting!
If you picked empoleon in sinnoh it’s steel typing will also mess up Candace though
Starter choice does make a huge difference in most of the picks but I tried to go with what is generally the hardest. Thanks for commenting!
For some reason I had more trouble with Erika than Subrina in let’s go
Sabrina is definitely the easiest she's been in Let's Go, she can still be tough but there are more ways to counter her but Erika's gym can also be difficult to beat. Thanks for commenting!
Me: beats kabu first try, me loses against bea 40 times
Just shows how different everyone's experience is. Thanks for commenting!
Normal-Whitney is the winner her miltank is too good and you lack options (norman close second)
Fire-has to be Flannery, Torkoal+Sunny Day+Overheat is too strong of a combo for the 4th gym
Water- Agree on Juan his Kingdra is anoying as hell
Grass- All too Weak so agree on Gardenia
Psychic- Tate & Liza in Emerald in a run Killer (Screens + Calm Mind Psychic Combo) but Gen 1 Sabrina is too broken so agree
Rock- Same as grass all too weak but Roark in some cases can be kinda hard
Electric- Iono can be tough but Wattson is certain dead if you dont choose mudkip (shock wave is too strong)
Ice- Agree on Candice , with her froslass the margin gets even bigger to the other gym leaders
Fighting- Agree, Maylene is the strongest but honorable mention to Brawly (bulk up can cause problems)
Poison- All super easy but agree on Koga
Ground- Giovanni Should be stronger but in reality he isnt Water moves and pokemon at that point are what you see the most (Water type+Surf and you win) so i will give to Clay and his Excadrill
Flying- Winona is the obvious choice Altaria Dragon dance can be a disaster if you are not ready for it
Bug- I will say Bugsy because her Scyther with fury cutter it can kill you super easy
Ghost- Agree Fantina Mismagius+Shadow Ball so early can cause alot of problems (in Platinum), Morty can seem super easy (and it is with a normal type) but Gengar move set can be real tough to deal with it.
Dragon- Clair is the clear choice ,Kingdra is only weak to himself (and good luck getting him) which makes him a pain to deal with
Dark- Well i agree because they are both so ez.
Steel- Jasmine is clear (Steelix is menacing and dangerous)
Fairy- The questions makes this a stupid choice to make
Can you do What if The Powerpuff Girls had Pokémon Team please
Haha that's not one I had on my list but I will certainly add it if its one you'd like to see. Can't garuntee when it'll be or if it'll just be Powerpuff Girls (maybe Kids TV characters or Cartoons) but I'll try do it as soon as I can. Thanks for commenting!
I was like if miltank giwl isnt on here …….
Haha definitely one of the toughest fights! Thanks for commenting.
Proud to say I beat Whitney on my first try
Great job! Thanks for watching.
Lenora was quite hard as well. Normal Gym Leaders are though
I agree, I think the normal gym leaders are probably the toughest. Thanks for commenting!
I've said it dozens of times before, I'll likely say it dozens more: If you legitimately find Whitney to be a tough gym leader, you're just not that good at Pokemon.
Wow controversial opinion haha. Thanks for commenting!
And the Slaking can be made into a joke with Dig, Fly, Protect, Detect, etc etc. No baseline pokemon game has really any difficulty when played normally without arbitrary restrictions, if you find ANY gym leader to be "tough" in a casual all-items let-em-faint switch-mode Pokemon playthrough... You're just not that good at Pokemon. Whitney presents a unique irritation compared to other early gym leaders, a modified form of stall strats: Attract into a build-up damage move.
Compared to all the others, where it's just "be better at pressing your strongest move", she's the only one WITH strats, so she gets the medal.
You can catch a heracross before Whitney and if you caught a shoormish it should be evolved by norman
Sableye has 3 immunities (normal, fighting and psychic.
When talking about the ice type, why didn't you mention Candice's Platinum team where she has her snow warning abomasnow of course but that can be dangerous considering her ace in Platinum is a snow cloak Froslass with double team which makes it hard to even hit, and even if you do, the sitrus berry it holds can restore its health
Basically I agree that Candice is the strongest ice type gym leader, however her diamond and pearl team isn't the strongest team she has
Sorry there was a lot of teams to look through and I agree her Platinum team was probably harder but I missed this in the video. Thanks for commenting.
Do strongest elite four members next video
Not sure it'll be my next video but its definitely one for the future. Thanks for commenting!
Normal type definitely has strong trainers. Each one is difficult for that part of the game. I still think lenora is tougher than Whitney
I think after doing this video its made me realise the normal type gym leaders are probably the most difficult set of gym leaders, I can see how someone could struggle with any of them. Thanks for commenting!
@AlphaOrange99 perhaps a video ranking type specialists. Including best teams (rematch teams, world tournament teams), elite 4, and antagonists. I think that would be a great series
That's definitely one I'll add to my list thanks a lot for the help!
You have three fighting types to pick from at that point, four if you chose Tepig
Sawk/Throh can easily defeat Lenora
another reason for Candice to be stongest ice User. In Platinum she has Snow Clok Froslass
I don't know about you, but IMO, Raihan's gym is the most difficult Dragon type Gym. An unprepared trainer will be gobsmacked by his Surprise Double battle and Weather strategy. I've seen so many blind nuzlockes lost many Pokemon due to Raihan.
Raihan's definitely difficult, I can see how he caused you problems. Thanks for commenting!
Grade school me : Whitney
still the strongest
Always a tough fight! Thanks for commenting!
Giovanni and Clair are the weakest gymleaders in their respective games, not the strongest. the strongest ground type is Clay who is running a sandstorm team, and the strongest dragon is Raihan because he actually has a team.
Skyla and Winona are also hard to judge, since B2W2 Skyla is better then Winona, who is better then BW Skyla because Unfezant is just trash where as secretly being a psychic flying gym makes Skyla unique as basically the only Non-rock/ground dual type gym leader
I still want a Flying Type gym leader with Tropius, Talonflame, Peliper, Kilowattrel, Glygar, and Skarmory. just an actual teamcomp but all of them are flying.
Thanks for sharing your opinions it seems a lot of people agree with you about Clay but I think Clair being weak is very controversial haha. Thanks for commenting!
How is clair the weakest if the only option to fight her kingdra is kingdra himself
I disagree on Dragon I think Drayden is tougher the rest I agree with.
Only disagreeing on one is pretty good! Thanks for commenting!
People just like Elesa because of Pokémon’s setup- a model “Taylor Swift”- esque mid-tier level story introduction that preempts Elsa, Frozen. I must say let it go because most otaku have some fap action.
Whitney would be a pain in the ass if she was was champion
Haha just a team full of Miltanks would be funny. Thanks for commenting!
9:00 bro consider falkner lmao😂
Iono tougher than Elesa?!? Have you ever played Pokémon Black 2/White 2? I thought my poor Servine would be good at absorbing Volt switch but her Zebstrika knows flame charge too…
This was definitely a tough decision. However, I thought more people would be unprepared for the Iono fight as not many people would have a Pokémon with smack down. Where as, you can get a ground type right before Elesa's gym which really helps prevent the volt switches. This was a very tough decisions for me though and I can see how people would struggle with both! Thanks for commenting!
I forgot Tulip Existed tbh 😭 the new gen gym leaders arnt as memorable.
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Falkner is NOT the toughest whatsoever. The only thing that really makes his team tough is roost, and he's notorious for having a level 9 ace. Although that's around your level by that time in the game, he's a pretty easy leader to beat.
**Flashbacks to the double hell of Faulkner and Bugsy that is only having Chikorita and maybe a few other Pokémon that were underleveled.**
(I don’t like Geodude so I never used it and can’t use the form I like anyway, as Golem is a trade evolution.)
I agree its not the toughest but I think he can definitely cause some problems for some people. Thanks for commenting your opinion.
Whitney isn't even as difficult as most claim she is
I struggled more with Norman and Lenora
I think in general the normal type gym leaders are difficult so people struggle with all different ones. Thanks for commenting!
It’s pronounced GOHR-dee, “Patrick Star”! 🤨
Omg it’s Bea the strongest fighting time gym leader
Omg it’s raihan
When i catch whitnny it wont look pretty
Haha finally getting revenge. Thanks for commenting!
Geodude sweeps Whitney
Maybe but it may still be attracted and not all teams would have a Geodude. Thanks for commenting!
8:15 nahhh no he isnt. I havent seen a single person struggle with beating koga even in "can you beat (gen 1 game) with just one (pokemon)" videos. Roxie, on the other hand, is really strong because she's the second gym leader and at this point your only options are: starter, none of which have any super effective move against poison types, and baby pokemon with very weak stats. I never had any problem with any gym leader in any game except for her even tho I already had 3 Pokemon by this point (Dewott, Riolu, Elekid). Im pretyy sure the only reason why I was able to beat her without heavy grinding was because my riolu evolved into lucario...
nah GIOVANNI IS TRASH. His entire team dies to surf
Lenora is definirely harder than Whitney
Sawk/Throh easily defeat Lenora
@@ispeakcockney5387 Unless Watchog Retaliates.
And a Machop is more than enough for Whitney
@@berserkerciaran Sawk is faster than Watchog and Throh is very bulky.
Miltank is still faster than Machop. Also, stomp Miltank has a chance to flinch you
I think they are both tough but I do think more people may struggle with Whitney. Thanks for commenting!
1 like your comment determination 2 that mic quality is DOG can't like
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Everyone always thinks Whitney is tough.....why? When I was 9 and gen 2 just dropped, she wasn't hard....now you kids have the full force of the internet....its just sad.
I was rocked my first go!
@@eugenebridges8854 did you go at her with a butterfree with just the move tackle? I just don't see how it's possible.
@@URRidikalus my poor quilava was no mach for rollout and i also fell prey to attract