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I don’t see how the speedrun mods were in the wrong at any point, but that is the imposed question at the end of this video. Their job is to moderate. They provided evidence Dream was cheating and he did actually cheat. They are biased towards irrefutable evidence, not Dream...
@@Thakur-sf4jp when someone's entire personality and career is ignored, and the only thing you notice about them is a little checkmark at the end of their online alias, you know you are dumb af
When a professional athlete is found using performance-enhancing drugs, we don't blame the organization behind the sport/activity, we blame the athlete. I don't see why we shouldn't blame Dream here if he cheated, 'accidentally' or not.
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share. Personally, it helped me understand a lot more in depth. th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
Not to be a stan but that argument is valid its like matpat saying fnaf is a dream things like that arent nice to hear and annoying but theyre op and undeniable
Also kinda wanna bring this into perspective im really good at the game and have been accused of cheating in my small community when your reputations under pressure you can react poorly the pressure i have is between 50 to 100 people i couldnt imagine how much pressure it would be with millions
Tb fair im not justifying his fans im just trying to put that into perspective on a comment not full of other comments so people dont have to scroll to see it
And the way im saying it you only really understand the pressure when youve been under it on the outside it seems like not much but for me its slightly personal and i understand why he reacted badly for the mods they went public for no reason so i kinda have to lean towards dream who handled it badly (Trying not to be a toxic dream stan and explaining my view calmly)
@@lolgenitor7065 he was hardly cancelled, and everything he was accused of he actually did, stop defending him when he messed up and didn’t admit to it
Wdym acted like it was an accident when admitting it? Who on earth would dig themselves into that deep of a hole on purpose? He didn’t realize that it applied to worlds he thought it only applied to servers
The mods didn't act poorly at all, nor did they show a bias. Another speedrunner pointed out that the rate at which Dream was getting Ender Pearls was well above the statistical norm, so they launched an investigation. They did their job and reacted professionally.
Blaming the moderators for keeping the records clean and fair is like blaming anti-doping agencies for discovering steroid positive athletes. If you don't want to be outed as a cheater don't attempt to compete on the 'official' scoreboards. That shouldn't need explaining.
@@lolgenitor7065 at fault for what, exactly? “Cancelling” Dream? Nah man this would barely make a dent on Dream’s career from his differentiated content (DreamSMP, Manhunt, or his fans in general won’t change that much). They were just doing their job and calling out a person for hacking. If anything, DREAM is also at fault because there were death threats from his stans too. I’ll admit that both sides had a contribution for the better and for the worse, but Dream could of stopped this if he thought, “what if I really was hacking?” earlier on. Dream needs to grow up, and until then, I’m quite disappointed on him. From all the death threats and time he could of saved if he saw both sides of the coin. Sorry for the lengthy paragraph. But man, I’m just tired of how long this drama carried on.
How are the moderators at fault? They were just doing there job. Saying that they are in the wrong is like saying that a taxi driver is bad for driving the car.
and then they got harrased by his braindead fans because they were doing their jobs edit: i meant the braindead fans (aka stans) not every fan is braindead
I see it as they went too fast because it was dream. They used luck as their only claim which isn't irrefutable and ran with it. A few were pretty toxic and one of them even lied to slander dream. The mod team were pieces of shit but they were right about Dream.
My issue with Dream is how he handled the whole situation. He totally denied all the cheating allegations and disrespected the moderators. Even going as far as hiring someone to write a scientific analysis on why he didn’t cheat? Honestly, i don’t understand how his fans can even defend him at this point. What’s worse is, Dream can’t even apologize for his actions without deflecting blame from himself. Embarrassing and immature
@@lolgenitor7065 the funny thing is, he wasnt someone credible. The dudes name wasnt even on the document meaning that the document has no value. Dream prolly got some freshman guy who was his friend to write a document which they both knew were full of fallacies
@@lolgenitor7065 the difference here was that it wasn't just rumors from some random reddit account saying he cheated, they had actually evidence against him and he still denied it. Cancel culture is a bad thing sure but now people are using it as an excuse to get away with things. "Oh yeah all that evidence looks pretty foolproof BUT they're just trying to cancel me, so don't believe them." And it works.
@@enderreaper1482 He posted a pic of his own fucking kitchen by himself, thats not being doxxed by crazy stans. You must have been dropped as a kid or severely autistic to not understand this key detail.
Dream stans before:*attacking and threatening anyone who accused dream of cheating on a Minecraft speedrun* Dream stans after he admits to cheating: it’s just a block game it’s not like it actually matters
@@dr.clorox7771 and there's also Dream Stans who are in absolute denial of Dream cheating. If you tell them that Dream admitted to cheating then they say, "Nah, he's just joking."
The moderators weren’t at fault at all. Even asking that question for interaction in the comments is so wrong. Dream literally cheated and most of the speedrunning community knew it from the beginning. Defending him in any way is foolish, no matter how big or small his platform/following is.
Actually there is a place to discussion. Like despite that he cheated that one speedrun taking all of his sppedruns down is kinda not fair (even though I think he deserved it)
@@lostmind9072 yeah I know but like is it fair? It's like a person committed a crime and there's a suspicion that they have committed a lot of another crimes and once it's proved that one crime was indeed committed they being accused in all crimes at once.
@@lolgenitor7065 there's a fine line between cancel culture and """""cancel culture""""". cancel culture is calling somebody out as the horrible person that they are, and showing how they haven't changed for the better and probably won't. that's a good thing. """""cancel culture""""" is digging up tweets from 2012 that may have been taken as homophobic and then sending them death threats on twitter lol.
"both sides reacted poorly" So the mods are at fault for doing their jobs? You make a Speedrun, you better not cheat. It's all on him and o couldn't care less. Play stupid games, earn stupid prizes. I applaud the moderators for doing their jobs.
You can have opinion, but i kinda agree The mod should just told dream in private, so dream can react with rational mind. I'm not saying that dream is good, he is not, he use his fanbase to defend his career Both react poorly, but i think dream reaction worst than the mod
@Second Heatwave "accidentally" He used it on purpose, it was not accidentally, he wanted to cheat for whatever reason, maybe to feel good about himself? I dont know but what i know is that it wasnt "accidentally"
@Second Heatwave okay so lets just keep those up there? If you were a champion accused of using drugs to cheat and u are proven guilty, they would strip u of everything u won. Its fair, they're in the right.
@Second Heatwave man are you srsly telling me cheating is okay. i get the part of accidentally doing shit that is why you got take and setup stuff before had and make sure to not have any cheats active. its the same as doing performance enhancement drugs in both case they give your and unfair advantage. dream is cleary at fault
My reason why dream cheating is important: Cheating a speedrun and submitting a time is like cheating in a tournament, sure there is no prize but it's still a competition against other people who didn't cheat
Well the prize is fame and conquest which shows you that dream needed to win by any means to get here today so when they do discover a loose wire he would be to big to stop and have a fan army
@@saucyyikers3877 oh boo hoo they got threatened by 11 year olds. come on bro yall are being silly this is not that serious focus on the celebrities actually doing shitty things
He didn’t cheat in the first place. It’s been known even before the scandal that the moderators despise him. The bias has been very well known but cancel culture has made everybody forget about it.
In my opinion he should just take a break. He is either slowly building an ego because of how toxic he acted and how fake his response was, or he was actually stressed out due to the drama and harassment. Either way, he NEEDS to take a break
It’s just a game they said,well after telling his fans to send death threats to modders and lie about cheating and even deleting the mod folder making him defenseless,would you call that a game? Personally I love Minecraft played when It first came out but just the whole dream thing makes me regret ever installing it.
They never really had to make videos about it. It's not really a thing as far as I'm aware. If somebody's run gets removed, usually you can just remove that one run in question (I could be mistaken on that note), and tell the runner why. Sure, dream tweeted about it, but realistically he didn't name any names and the whole issue would've gone away a lot faster if that was the end of it. They posted a video, and then there was a target for the hate. Geosquares channel isn't really FOR explaining why speedruns are removed, it was done for views. They tried justifying it with "if we explain why we did it we thought we wouldn't get hate", but I think everybody's seen enough internet drama to know that's not how it works. The less back and forth there is the less drama there is. I'm not saying that it's all geosquares or the mods fault, but even posting that video was a bad call, and a poor reaction to a tweet about it.
@@smallone2351 ;-; but it is true the issue and drama only started because they went public with it and either ruined his career or from what i hope gave him a dark time for just a while
No one even knew it was happening before the mods went public with it though and in there video rhey said dream was being difficult during the questioning while a mod dream brought onto his video said he was being respectful during it
Honestly, although dream says that his content isn’t based on speedruns, ironically it is. His manhunts that made him famous are speedruns, and literally 80% of his content is doing something fast or challenging and finishing that task. I’m going to have to agree with most of the people here and say Dream is in the wrong. What’s the point of covering something up and then later on admit it when it dies down.
@@bearlyalive9669 They did discuss it in private, I believe Dream broke the news on Twitter before the mods made any full statement. There really is no way for the mods to win here. Go public and explain it and people accuse them of chasing drama. Keep it private and have people accuse you of not being transparent.
@@morbideddie ohh I see, then yeah it would be unreasonable for people to say the moderators handled it poorly, it’s interesting how they did all this and was still made out as the bad guy despite the piles of proof people obviously didn’t read through
Tbh, if he actually cares about his “stans”, this won’t be much of a problem. I’m not a hater or anything, just really concerned about everyone harassed by his “stanbase”
He also said he doesnt care about all the nsfw fanart Edit 1: I knew many people would disagree or agree in my controversial comment, but anyway If you think about it every single thing that dream said or do etc deeply reftlects the ontological statement of the play as a whole barely making it misunderstood by a lot of his fan's or hater's making it into a whole new Controversy that lead him into getting cancelled idk just a thought Edit 2: also when the time he said that he also said none of the people being showed in his videos are minors like george, sapnap and bad but now he has a lot of minor friends that got affected by the thing he said "none of us is minors" also even back then bad isnt fine with any nsfw stuff so yeah
Glad so many of the comments are pointing out how ridiculous it is to put the blame on the moderators here. Even in their paper they were biased in favor of dream not cheating but even with that heavy bias the numbers still determined that he cheated. The number his astrophysics came to was debunked by a ton of sources and it wasn’t even close to just “some really good luck” stand up maths has a great video that shows mathematically that even if everyone on earth was constantly playing Minecraft around the clock for over a 100 years no one would even get close to that kind of luck. They did their job and they did it well. The run was cheated, they removed it. They tried dealing with it privately, dream made it public, they then responded to it publicly. It’s just such a weird take saying they were at fault in anyway given the timeline of events as well as the fact that he undeniably cheated his run. They weren’t the ones running around name calling and rallying their millions of followers.
You need to look at both sides. The moderators had a long history of being biased, they clearly were not any different with Dream. Cancel culture is ran by jealousy.
@@afootballfanfromearth There has been proof that they talked shit about Dream behind his back even before the so-called “scandal”, that’s one of the reasons everybody sensible knows that he didn’t cheat in the first place.
"Both sides reacted poorly" "The moderators should not disqualify someone just for having a large platform" Too bad they didn't do that. That first statement is the most disgusting approach to fence-sitting I've ever heard. The speedrunner mods went above and beyond in their attempt to explain exactly why his speedrun was dq'd. And they were right.
The over reaction from the mods was going public and saying dream was rude and not giving them certain folders in the original vid he said that then on dreams vid he brought on 1 mod who said he was respectful during it
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"Both sides reacted poorly" the speedrun mods were just doing their jobs and they did it professionally and all of their evidence is legit, it was dream that acted poorly not to mention he basically told his stan community to attack them which they did
"They are both at fault" *Dream who ignited his fandom to send hundreds upon thousands of hate messages and death threats to the mods* *The mods who are simply doing their job* HMM, I wonder who is more at fault. Terrible take dude.
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share. Personally, it helped me understand a lot more in depth. th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
Yeah true. In fact I saw some people say he didn’t cheat even though he admitted to it. They’ve been living under a rock if they somehow didn’t hear of it especially if they’re a fan of Dream
I was a Dream super fan.... Its more like Dream stans after: He kinda sucks now! P.S. I only care about his hitman series anyway so.... I hate him but, I will still watch. Sorry. I watch them when I'm bored.
@@seijuranpartheepan9505 Remember, he does represent a notable portion of the MC community, yet it's far from being the main one. Many others of the Dream SMP are actually great, and most have a nice community.
@@plaguedoctor5639 It's interesting, because the official source from Oxford Languages defines Stan as "An overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity." Yet many people associate and are sometimes proud to associate with the term.
How are the mods at bias here? Speedrunning has rules, this is like using steroids in the Olympics, its illegal and come on now, Dream cheated intentionally, he had plenty of time to own up anyways. The best move would be to have to come clean as soon as the statistics were discovered.
Agreed, frankly, if there is any sort of foul play from the moderators, that would be an entirely separate problem to examine and look at, as is the way the dream fans behave. Dream cheated, plain and simple, to put the moderators in with this argument is a bad case of muddying the waters, and utilizing the "Whataboutism" tactic. If I'm blunt, Dream needs to learn a lesson from this event, that deception and trying to hide the truth is going to backfire. Further, I'd seriously wish he would confront his more zealous fans, and shut down the hostility they have towards anyone who is anything less than fawning over him. Fans are tricky, but the cult-like behaviour is a dangerous force that malicious and narsicistic folks could only dream of using as a weapon.
@Can Tin i never said it did in anywhere of that i just said it seems far fetched for him to cheat and then say to everyone he didnt and THEN come out to say he did but overall he treated the situation poorly and wouldnt had been a great deal if he was mature
Technically speaking I tried for eam Speedrun and by only giving 10 5vor 2 pearls I got the eye and technically a random world hypotheticaly has a seed and In seeded worlds you are very likely to get ender pearls so I guess maby if his worlds where accidentally seeded.
@@saltheanarchist8741 doing your job even though you hate your client is still not biasy but intentionally violating the rules and regulations of your job to harm your client just because you hate your client is what we call biasy And the mods just did their job whether they hate dream or not so it's not biasy
I disagree to the last part a bit, no one has invited him to speedrunning it was all his choice,also the speedrun moderators are being the best they can towards a guy who cheats and use his fan base to defend himself. In my knowledge they never went cancelling him they just laid down facts and clear cut data to prove him wrong.They also accept dream's contribution to speedrunning community which gave them more fame. Speedrunning was open to all and was never biased.Example would be dani and hbomb they are still recognised as speedrunners. So the fact that speedrun community was rude to him does not make sense. In my opinion all the blame is on dream.
I completely disagree with "both sides reacted poorly". The speedrun mods were hundred percent professional in dealing with this. They made a verdict and stuck with it throughout all this. The speedrun community was only reacting to annoyed stans. It is true that he became a disliked figure but nobody was going after him or anything. His 1.16 runs was removed 5 months ago but the rest of his runs were only removed recently because they also had some suspicious stuff going on. I don't know the exact details, but I do know that its not solely because he had cheating history, even though it was one of the reasons. Its also notable that mods can only "unlist" the run from the leaderboard but it was dream who completely deleted the runs from the site altogether. Other than that, great video as always :D
Yeah I agree, I felt he was being a little too ambiguous there to the point where it was kinda insulting to the mods who just did their jobs and did them well.
The thing about speedrunning is that no matter how many succesfull or unsuccesfull runs you have, once you cheat, all of your runs are tainted, specially if you lie about it. Dream shot himself in the foot by complaining on twitter or making that god awful video of his, this caused all of his stans to go full rage on the Moderators and the speedrun community, thus making him look even worse.
@@QuackHab There are some examples of cheaters becoming a great runners in other games. Best example that comes to mind in LeKukie, who apparently cheated in some kart game when he was a teen, but he is a top level runner in smb1 now, arguably the most optimized speedgame of all time. That said, dream definitely doesnt seem seem to be just a mischievous teen :D
Dream: "Ya know, my hand slipped and the data pack fell into my folder purely accidentally" Athletes in the future "Ya know, I slipped on a banana peel and accidentally fell into a bowl of syringes..." Stans: It's just a block game/it's just rapidly moving your feet in a direction!
The issue is how Minecraft works. Dream has consistently changed versions, in fact, either the day after Dream sent that speedrun, or the day after he offered the mods his mod folder, there’s conflicting information there, he changed to 1.15. This meant the mods that he had in the folder wouldn’t work, so he had to delete the mod folder, or move the mods around, which, given that he also uses the mod developer for the mods that appear in his challenge videos, and on his friends channels, the amount of changes to be done to the folder at the time, especially since he was doing his manhunts about 1 version behind, 2 versions behind after 1.16 came out, you can see how the confusion started. On top of that, according to Karl Jobst, who is making a video of his own, the mod that Dream mentioned did more than simply increase drop rates, it also does what sodium does, makes the game run better. There’s better launching time, less particles, boosted framerate, and other quality of life changes that make the video quality better. Given that the mod was labeled “Dream’s Recording Mod” you wouldn’t think that pearl and rod rates would be boosted as well.
Dream stans: "Dream didn't cheat. And if he did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not his fault. And if it was, he didn't mean it. And if he did, he deserved to."
Dream was in the wrong. The first thing he or a member of his team should have done when the speed run was disputed is check if the mod was on. To go as far as hiring an astrophysicist is just stupid. Big Karen energy.
Not to mention he found out like a couple months after that he cheated and never came clean for like 7 months he deleted the vid and didn’t say anything
@@stearman100 I understand why is took him a while to come clean. It can be scary gaining such a big fan base and feeling like you could lose it off a mistake or if he knew what he was doing. I’m glad he came clean and hope he can learn from this.
@@pngu1n538 I would agree with the statement if it wasn’t the fact that his fanbase is so loyal he could do pretty much anything and they would defend him. Hell they defended or didn’t care when he came clean about this. He knows this and manipulated the situation to his favor.
well did you know that that run was not even suppose to chart on the top ranks... His world record speed run was not debunked so it is obvious that it was an accident.
Andrei, the biggest reason is apology is so sus is because of how minecraft mods work; different "versions" of the installation need to be made, for example with Dream the 1.16 version would be separate from the modded "manhunt pearl trade increasing" version. This implies that he loaded the different version *6 different times* for each stream "unknowingly", yet wouldn't he be able to see that he's loading the wrong version? Why would he load the exact same version several times without even noticing the pearl trade increase. In addition, this just came to me so prob some holes in this, he mentioned in a manhunt "this is why I cheated" as a joke (not saying that is his admission) and yet if the mod provided boosted trades, what exactly was he complaining about in his manhunt video which the mod was specifically made for?
Yeah, wait, that's actually very true... If that mod was made to boost drop rates in a manhunt video, why was he complaining about drop rates in a manhunt video when the mod should do that :/ Seems sus
The joke was minecraft had nerfed pearl trades because he had cheated and had been really lucky with trades. He made this joke because he was getting unlucky with trades in the manhunt.
He doesn't really need to change much actually. He just stays on the same version, 1.16. I agree his explanation is kinda sus, I just don't think this is good reason for it
To quote the video, dream was definitely in the wrong in some ways, yet so was the speedrun moderators and others involved. Dream shouldn't be forgiven quickly bit he still should
@@romeersharma2488 It will be hard tp forgive him when he has done NOTHING to fix his mistakes. All he has done is cry, use his power against others, and make fake excuses.
Moderation team was perfectly in the right. They also ended up being right. They didn't target dream because he was "popular". They targeted him because he had an abnormal amount of "luck". Also after all the damage was done from him getting his impressionable and unself aware fanbase to attack anyone who disagreed with him, he calls himself the victim. His career was never at danger. The "apology" is just like every other youtube apology. Victimizing and steering away from the actual problem, making the audience feel bad for him. And this should be a big deal. It is blatant proof he is clumsy with his power and fanbase and acts out of emotion which only harms other people. (P.S. I'm not a "dream hater" or "anti-dream" I just see what he is doing and hate it.)
I personally don’t see how the mods were remotely at fault. They had every right to be suspicious and do the investigation. Not to mention Dream stans sending death threats to the mod team even though they were doing their job like...?
Didn’t Dream say, this was at the end of the allegations, that “Whatever the Astrophysicist said, that will be my stance.” Remember that? Cause I do! Well his Astrophysicist said that Dream did in fact cheat.
@@lolgenitor7065 You're actually right, the astophycisist never said dream cheated. However he DID say that dream probably cheated after coming to the conclusion that the odds of the speedrun being legit were 1 in 100 million, which is still ridiculously low but not as low as 7 trillion obviously.
@@lolgenitor7065 drive.google.com/file/d/1f5Ecvk-vltadkjI2yr5bonpPGXJD6zSZ/view Look at the last sentence, of this paper. No, you don't have to read all of it. No this is not a virus. In plain text it says: "But either way, the probabilities were almost certainly modified and *this provides very strong evidence that Dream cheated*." Is that clear enough or will you now just be distrustful of this writer that dream hired explicitly to prove his innocence?
@@lazergurka-smerlin6561 Yeah exactly, that papers makes me clear that dream really cheated in the past months like 4 months. But other people disagree to this paper while the speedrun mods agree that their math are off but somehow the other pages maybe wrong.
I have to admit I disagree with your conclusion. I don't think it's valid to say "both sides reacted poorly", as the mods displayed nothing but professionalism in dealing with the situation, sticking with their findings. Dream on the other hand mocked the accusation, tried miserably to rebuke it, and fought it basically to the bitter end. Even the speed-run community itself reacted more maturely than Dream's community/stans. As to his "unmodded" runs, it's standard protocol in the speed-running community to look at the speed-runs of known cheaters with more scrutiny, and when they did that, they noticed those runs were suspicious, so they unlisted them. There's no secret sauce "bias" here, just the mods doing what they're meant to do.
I agree. Though, I love Dream’s content, it’s not hard to see who reacted poorly. And finding that reaction from a 21/22 year old creator isn’t really setting my hopes high
@@lolgenitor7065 dream used his fan base to defend him which they did dreams fan base has more power that’s like defending yourself with a tank with a guy with a pistol he should have been more careful using his fan base
When Russia was caught cheating in the Olympics, they were stripped of the ability to use their name, flag, and uniforms for *8 years*. Cheating in competition is the lowest of the low, and then spending half a year belating the people who were in the right, and still claiming you cheated "accidentally" while victimizing yourself is the worst way to handle it. Just apologize dude. I will never see Dream in the same light, and I do not want to support his content in the slightest. I hope the speedrun moderators don't get harassed like this in the future. I think Dream shouldn't be allowed to speedrun for a noticeable period of time, and a sincere apology is required.
Big agree. Tho in this case we cant stop someone from literally actually playing the game in a speedrunning manner, so instead we should just ban him from anything spedrun related that is official to Minecraft. Also of note, I hate the stans going "Lol its just a block game why you so pressed" when this came out. Any cheating in any competition is taken seriously because the community around it is obviously serious about it, but these children dont have the concept of things being important to people even if they themselves dont find it important.. ..Which is funny because those same people were also the same ones shouting that he didnt cheat and harassing those who said otherwise lmao
I kind of disagree. We don't know for sure that how it happened isn't how he said it did. I think freaking out in that situation and trying desperately to hold onto what you'd spent years building is a realistic reaction. I've seen people get canceled and their lives ruined over less. He did do screwed up things, and he should not have done them. He definitely has a lot of growing to do and hopefully he can learn from this if he's going to continue being a content creator. But I think it's really presumptuous to listen to someone's feelings/motivations and just go "no, you're wrong". Or to listen to someone's apology and go "no, that wasn't sincere enough. You didn't apologize hard enough. Do it again," when maybe they really did pour their feelings into that. I'm not a stan, never was, and I lost some respect for him when I realized he did cheat. But I don't think random people get to decide whether or not someone was being genuine or not about their feelings. Like, sometimes you KNOW, but not liking someone isn't somehow you KNOW that. Like, imagine your biggest mistake, your biggest screw up, that you did because you were scared or stupid or mean or whatever. And when you went to apologize, sincerely, they just told you "No, you're lying. You're not sorry. Do it again, or go screw yourself." Like, it's just f-ed up. That being said, he did cheat in the end. So yeah, banning him from the speedrunning leaderboard for a while or whatever would be a decent punishment. I'm not into speedrunning so I don't know the protocol for situations like that. And before anyone calls me a stan or a simp or whatever, is it really so wrong to want to give someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were telling the truth about *their* emotions? Is it so wrong to try to be considerate that maybe they did just screw up really badly and aren't an awful person? I like to live by the belief that "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and in that situation, I don't know if I would've reacted much better, so I'm not going to throw any stones. Especially when he already apologized. There's no way to know he wasn't being genuine, and if he really was, then he's already learned his lesson. There's no reason to keep kicking the dead horse.
@@silentasamouseiaminsideyou6865 just like every other university/college, there are different “schools” on campus for different majors. Harvard has various majors that it offers, however, its Law School is the one of the most reputable.
@@lolgenitor7065 I mean to be verified on r/statistics you have to submit your credentials. And that was a place where a VERIFIED user absolutely tore apart Dreams “response”. I like how he admitted to cheating and yet his stans still defend him.
As a speedrunner myself I gotta say that your acknowledgement of the speedrunning community as a whole was very respectable. Most people would take the easy way out and just call speedrunning utterly pointless so it doesn’t matter, but it felt refreshing to see a TH-camr not take any side one way or another, while still stating the facts of the situation
Dream was 100% in the wrong here. The mods did what their job is to do, look at the evidence and decide if Dream's run was legitimate. Dream's response video was very manipulative, he spent a lot of time talking about how badly the mods messed, and how he had no reason to cheat as a TH-camr. He abused his following and had his stans send large amounts of hate to people who argued against him. Even now that he finally did admit he was cheating, he had the nerve to say it was accidental, rather than apologizing to the mods or to the 100s of legitimate speedrunners he disregarded when he uploaded his run to a competetive speedrunning website.
No, Dream did handle it well. The moderators were the ones who sent the cancel culture mob to Dream and that’s why incels like you are now attacking him mindlessly.
Fr and their only excuse is "Oh it's just a game grow up!!!!!!1!1!" Like, no. Y'all need to grow up and realize you're supporting a sociopathic asshole that manipulates his fans for views and support
@@AyeeeItsAlii sociopathy is not smth you just accuse someone of when you want to say smth mean about them.... its a real, hurtful mental illness, don't joke about that shit edit: spelling
The problem isn't the cheating as itself. It's the way dream weaponized his community that sent death threats to the speed run moderators, harassed anyone who dared to give a negative opinion of him, going as far as making reaction livestream filled with bad faith and lies against the videos treating the subject that weren't supporting his side, in the hope the TH-camrs that made it would be harassed by his fans. One could argue that he doesn't control his community, I would answer that in his way of treating the drama, he deliberately used it in his advantage. EDIT : if I can add something : He didn't "just recently realized he was cheating" in my opinion. In which world do you deny fully accusations that claims your game could be modded IN THE EXACT SAME WAY a mod you are actually using for another purpose is doing? Wouldn't the most logical reaction be "Wait, did I forget to remove the mod from my files when I started recording this speedrun ??". It is litteraly impossible he didn't think of it being a possibility.
@@woobeewooo that's what i hate most about dream, he acts like his actions don't directly affect his fanbase, for every person with a fanbase their actions will effect how the fans think, ESPECIALLY when you have sooo many young fans, even if he didn't do all the things he did i still wouldn't like him because he never takes responsibility for his actions or actions he did that led to his fans attacking others
I feel so bad for the moderators considering the fact they just wanted to keep the speedruns accurate so it was fun for everyone but they were mercilessly criticized and attacked by a horde of fans. That would have a horrible impact on anyone's mental health, I really hope they're okay.
I honestly hate Dream. I hate him because people said "he's the god of Minecraft" no he isn't. There is no such thing as God of Minecraft. Why? Because there is different things you can do in Minecraft. Building, mining, survival, making a city, pvp, and hundreds of more stuff you can do. Calling Dream a god of Minecraft is just a cheap and one sided way to see, not just him, but Minecraft as a whole. It honestly makes me mad everytime people say this or talk about him in a positive light. All he is, is a Minecraft TH-camr. That's it. I refuse to watch his channel and I'll never watch it. Sorry if this makes people mad. I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I just finished the video. I agree that he should have rested before posting that. Honestly I don't blame the people that took his name off of the Speedrun world record. However it shouldn't affect others about why they watch it. The paragraph uptop was my opinion on Dream. I more hate his fans than Dream himself. But I do understand both sides of the situation.
If you were to look further than whatever Reddit tells you, you’d know that Dream isn’t at fault here. Cancel culture is evil and defending it is wrong.
@@lolgenitor7065 Theres a difference between cancelling someone because you don't like them, and calling them out for cheating or doing something wrong. Please learn the difference.
@@ExtremeMan10 Dude he never said dream was innocent, he only stated that he seems dream acidentaly cheating as a possibility, which even if it is the case, wouldnt make him innocent, because after all aciddentaly cheating is STILL cheating
@@ExtremeMan10 I hate dream but everyone who doesn't agree with you shouldn't be called a Stan call them a Stan if they say that dream is innocent or the victim or keep attacking u for dream the dude said that it might be possible that dream accidentally cheated but he didn't say he is innocent
It’s definitely Dream who’s in the wrong here. The speedrun site moderators were just doing their jobs, and while maybe they chose to watch the run specifically because he’s so big, that doesn’t excuse Dream. Dream’s a pretty smart guy. I frankly don’t believe that he didn’t even consider that he had a mod installed, even when he knew that that mod did exactly what he was accused of doing. The fact that he deleted his mod folder makes him even more suspicious. Regardless, it was very dumb of him to place all the blame on the speedrun site mods. He should know by now how obsessive his fanbase is as a whole, and how aggressive they can be (and were) to anyone who dares contradict their idol. If he truly couldn’t predict that all the doxxing and suicide encouragement would happen, he’s either too out-of-touch or too irresponsible to handle a following so huge and predatory.
the mods didnt even choose to watch the run before investigating it. It was another speedrunner who brought the suspicious droprates to the attention of the moderaters, then the moderators confirmed that its statistically impossible.
He really should know by now how obsessive his stans are but he actively ignores it and has a completely inaccurate definition of what a stan is, especially his. He's just completely up his own ass.
@@Yipper64 bruh they did watch the run they just didn’t see the problem because the problem isn’t in the run, it’s all of his attempts over 6 different streams. Not watching a 5th place run before verifying it would be demod worthy.
He claims to not be a professional speed runner yet he submits a “world record” speed run to a professional speed running website. Doesn’t matter if you don’t speed run for a profession you still submitted a speed run where you blatantly cheated, and when the mods naturally called dream out on it and perfectly reasonably posted their reasoning for why they denied your speed run (with evidence) dream decided to directly attack the mods in a condescending and overall straight up bitchy manner, which caused his toxic stans to attack the mods constantly, and dream knew he had cheated even if he claims he suddenly discovered, he still waited a long time to tell people, so the mods just got relentlessly threatened and attacked, and of course his fan base ate his bullshit up. Dream is obviously not mature enough to have the platform he has, and he basically needs to grow tf up and stop weaponising his fan base and at least try to control them a small bit
How is he even supposed to control his toxic stans if he isn't mature enough he grew too fast and wasn't expecting it how will you even control your fan base if there are flooding in millions of people unexpectedly?
Honestly, the timing for his apology is just sketch to me. Seems like the dude is milking out as much of the exposure as he can from this one incident.
I think it's sincere since he doesn't seem able to handle the pressure. However, that doesn't justify him cheating/lying about it for so long. Idk abt milking it since his career might get screwed from this...
@@abigail6394 The fight for relevance is still a thing no matter how big you get. I'm just saying that the timing of everything is just a bit too fishy for me to disregard the possibility that this is intentionally timed to get people to continue talking about him. He has made some dubious online public choices as of late for me to be increasingly aware of the pattern as well.
@@mentalasian7315 + @Kal Wardin Ah, that does explain a lot. Thank you for the added context! :) It's honestly good to know despite it not changing much about the way I view him still. Thank you very much for telling me :)
I feel you're giving Dream and his """""""Astrophysicist""""""" way too much credit. The mods did an excellent (if overly wordy) job of proving, unequivocally, that Dream did cheat. It was not a "He said, She said". Perhaps to people who didn't either read the papers or the responses or breakdowns of the papers, or simply didn't understand any of it; but the overwhelming consensus, at least in the videos I watched, was that the mods are right, Dream cheated. @Standupmaths did an excellent (if not the best) job of breaking all the math down. As far as I can tell, the only way Dream is coming out of this, is as an immature idiot.
The reason a lot of people even myself gave dream benefit of the doubt is because the mod who came out and made a call out video did it for clout rather than keeping it quiet seeing as dream saw it was rejected and moved on and the mod made a video about just purely for clout. That’s why I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I was under the impression the mods were extremely biased.
All dream had to say to refute the mods’ math was “they’re using unfair stats that are targeted against me in a non bias way” and some other half baked claims.
@@Jechew As illustrated in the mods' paper and in this video: th-cam.com/video/8Ko3TdPy0TU/w-d-xo.html , no matter how you flip the numbers, it is not reasonable that Dream could ever been as lucky as he was. The math is unequivocal; Irrespective of Dream's confession, we can be sure he cheated.
I remember watching a video where someone explained it and even said the numbers were actually positively biased. I mean it makes sense to show that even with the best luck and stats he couldn't have done it so he had to have cheated
The whole argument where “dream didn’t set out to set speed run records” is kind of BS to me. because even if that wasn’t his intention or what he actively tries to go for That should have just given him more of a reason not to lie AND to not actively lie during the whole start of the drama and push his community to support him even tho he KNEW HE WAS LIEING TO THEM because it shows how he is willing to lie about stuff that “really shouldn’t matter”. And if he does learn great but that begs the question what other shit isn’t he telling people about
The biggest problem here is his stans harrased creators who calls dream out and he himself attacked them, with his fandom size the damage to those people are big.
Idk if what I'm about to say is true so sorry if it isn't but a lot of ppl say that he didn't respond so everyone could forget all the dumb shit he's done but when he tried to submit a run and the mods removed it he wanted to make an apology so the mods would look like villains if they told the public about the deleted run
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share. th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
He is at fault, a cheat is a cheat. People spotting signs of a potential cheater and calling that person out as a possible cheater is not a bad thing. This is why we have drug testing in irl sports such as ufc and Olympics.
Another part is that some of the moderators asked for Dream’s mod files for that run and he started going crazy and all and I was watching a video more in depth but that’s what I can remember and I think he used an excuse for the file being “corrupted” or “accidentally deleted” or sum shit. Edit: Read the first reply
"who is more at fault? A famous cheater or the people who had the audacity to call out a famous youtuber for cheating?" I'm sure the sponsor had nothing to do with that
his stans babying him like "omg he's so brave for admitting it!!" the only thing that was brave about his apology is how he dared to admit it after 7 months of denial from himself and harassment for the mods and experts. you need real balls to admit you were in the wrong right when your precious 1.15 speedrun gets taken away, yeah right.
@@lolgenitor7065 the cancel culture he got was the cancel culture he deserved. not like he even got canceled because of his idiotic fanbase. by admitting it around half a year later he knew he wouldn't get canceled. had he done it right when the drama was a hot topic, he probably would've lost a lot of followers. and if he held out a few more months? if he did that it'd be even worse. he'd be much more of a douche than he's seen as now. if he held out for a year, all it would mean was that he took a year to think "oh maybe i should apologize for the cheating i did a year ago, now that no one is really focusing on it anymore." then again, your account was not created a long time ago, so if you're a troll, it's hilarious. ha. ha.
@@lolgenitor7065 "Its not about admitting cheating, its about fighting cancel culture" "Its not about shitting on the President's face, its about fighting democracy"
This video is weird and extremely bias. Dream is 100% at fault here. The moderators are just doing what they are supposed to do. Of course they would point out this, he’s a really big, influential TH-camr with a big platform. He’s not just some random idiot cheating. The fact that dream lied for months, getting tons of innocent people hate by tricking his impressionable stans into believing him is ridiculous. If he really did “accidentally” cheat, he should’ve said it from the start and been more careful when doing speedruns.
@@LaserDawg He's being biased towards Dream, everyone with half a braincell or more knows that Dream is a manipulative sociopath who's always been at fault and is never right. You could look at a turd and it would tell you better information but I guess I can't say that since Dream himself is a huge turd.
That’s honestly pathetic how Dream handled the situation he’s just playing the victim like everyone else and him saying “I don’t know if I cheated” it’s honestly stupid
@@DwayneTheClock >Uses mods to make most your content on youtube >Doing speedruns for fun when fans ask you to submit it >Forget you have mods that are unnoticeable in anyway turned on
@@BegitoBrah doing speedruns for fun while also submitting them to a competetive speedrun site and being butthurt cuz you got banned for cheating, hiring a fucking astrophysicist to defend yourself and calling mods clout chasers, saying you accidentally cheated few months later with no apology and then playing the victim card
The mods did not react poorly to it at all. Considering they are just volunteers getting sent death threats by the horde I’m surprised they handled it THIS well
@@c.i.a.932 ok, now imagine this: Dream: got debunking by 100 youtubers about his speedrun The 100 youtubers debunking his speedruns: Got attacked by millions of people (Dream Stans)
@@c.i.a.932 i feel like the thing is he is a large youtuber and is probably used to that stuff, the speedrun.com mods on the otherhand were much smaller and probably wouldnt know how to handle stuff
"Speedrunner" cheats at speedrunning. Speedrunning mods say "This seems like cheating". After a protracted period, admits that they did cheat. "BuT WhO wAs In ThE WrOnG hErE?!?!" I guess we'll never know, huh?
@@lolgenitor7065 By "cave to cancel culture demands" what you mean is "had to take responsibility for his own bad behaviour". Diddums. He is still posting minecraft content on his youtube channel, posted just a few days ago - with 12M views. What exactly does "cancelled" mean in your vocabulary?
Speed running is not just a game. Its a whole community. Just imagine a cheater getting away with it while your getting doxed by his fans for saying suggesting he cheated. This is not only one lie. He already knew he cheated yet he kept lying and lying to himself and his fans
You know in all honestly I don’t think he knew he cheated 1 because it happened a while ago and A lot of people have gotten over it so if he knew he cheated he should’ve kept his mouth shut because nothing would’ve happened to him Second in the video where he was proving where he didn’t cheat he literally hired a mathematician so I think at the time he really thought he didn’t cheat
@Mcfischl I do it he should be punished like he should be able to speed run again I just don’t think it makes sense for him to come out like six months later and be like “ hey guys you know how everybody accused me of cheating like 6 months ago yeah and now no one cares anymore yeah well I cheated and even though I didn’t have to say anything because nobody cares anymore and I could just go on with my career without speaking on this topic again but nope I cheated and I’ve known since the beginning” if he knew I feel like he would’ve kept going without saying anything
@@jaydnparker786 do you see how fake his apology is? He cheated to get popular in the speedrunning community and is just looking for views. That astrophysicist's identity was never revealed, so whoever it was might not have been an astrophysicist at all. At this point, all his manhunts might be staged too. He cried wolf not once, not twice but SIX TIMES. He isn't credible anymore.
I’m kinda pissed they didn’t just ban him outright he admitted it, he manipulated his fans into believing he got it legitimately, I heard from actual speedrunner mods where he basically abusive towards them when I was in a vc with one and Karl Jobst, and he purposely waited it out until the heat went when these mods were getting death threats for months on end.
Dream is at fault here. Forgive me for offending anyone but I have to state my opinion. Dream is a grown man and with almost 30M subs now, the mods were right to do their jobs and Dream needs to grow up.
“The speedrun moderators may well have had a negative bias against Dream, for being as successful as he is.” Sorry, but how? They responded respectfully and professionally to the situation, and they were decently accurate with their results, there was no bias. “…and it is equally important for the speedrun community to not simply form an opinion against someone or disqualify them for having a large platform.” Which…didn’t happen at all? It was obvious he was cheating, that’s why they disqualified him and formed a negative opinion on him. You’re making an argument that doesn’t exist here. Sorry, it’s just that those two statements were complete lies and I don’t what was going through your brain there.
Yeah there’s really no evidence to say that the mod team was truly biased except for dream saying that in “private” conversations that no one has ever seen and that he can’t show, the mod team was jealous or biased because of his following which just shows how arrogant dream was at the time
At this point, all of dream's content could be rigged and there are some things to support that too. On his 5 hunter manhunt, dream conveniently spawned next to a village with several ravines and a mineshaft under it. Also there are clutches in literally every episode, which I don't find likely that he did. Dream is a cheating ass who only cares about views and fame.
I’m gonna be honest and maybe attacked for this but I feel like Dream is really at fault. Not even just because, simply, he did end up cheating, but the way he handled this and other dramas and situations. What he constantly does is the instant he is attacked, send out some hateful message egging his army of stans on to attack. I was scrolling through the Twitter replies to dreams apology and one of the moderators who made the document was there and he said (I’m paraphrasing you can look yourself if you would like proof): How can you just apologize away months of being attacked on Twitter and sent literal death threats to me and my family. Now that is pretty fricked up that Dream could let his community go as far as to SEND DEATH THREATS TO THE OPPOSING SIDE. So to me, Dream is in the wrong because he was in fact cheating, mishandled his initial public reaction, and in doing so and victimizing himself, gave permission to his army of young, misguided kids to send death threats to some moderators who we can now prove did nothing wrong. P.S. This is just my opinion, you are free to feel differently I am just stating mine in case people relate and feel the same way.
@@MatessYT Exactly! If only Dream at least addressed the harmful side of his community! That might at least change something, like a little, “If you attack anyone on my behalf you are no fan of mine”.
Yeah i don't wanna be a STAN or a hater to dream, im just waiting for the drama to f*king stop. And until it does im sticking with the king of PvP, the pig that defeated a full netherite armored quakity with a netherite pickaxe and iron armor.
I like Dream and I don’t like how he handled everything. he was more in the wrong for sure, but man I hate when people call anyone who watches him a stan and shit. It’s pretty annoying and I just like watching Minecraft TH-cam videos. I get that some of dreams fans are toxic and petty when they get proved wrong but don’t generalize. like damn, it’s like calling every German during World War II a nazi. Every time me liking Dream comes up people act like I only watch him and enjoy doxxing his haters in my freetime
Lmao that sucks man but hey that's people for ya, two extremes in the internet one that despises and one that worships which sucks cause a lot of the toxicity that's happening could be resolved if the people were a bit more open-minded and have a good judge on what's right or wrong and the problem is many stans are young and immature (others are inexcusable) which develops into this shit-show of a community if not addressed/handled right.
I don't blame anybody except Dream who kinda helped worsen the addiction of many young minds but I am not sure if he's doing this deliberately or is just a good guy misunderstanding on how to handle fame and attention. Don't know the guy and I won't judge any further and will wait till something important happens that can change on how I look at Mr. Dream. (I watch Dream and is subscribed so no hate).
I think the speedruning community was right to remove all of his previous records from their site. I know that he may have not cheated on his old speedruns but after the fiasco that happened we can't really be sure if he lies or not. If he didn't said that he didn't cheated, hired a "professor" to prove the maths of the speedruning wrong or even submitting the speedrun none of that would've happened.
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The video was amazing as always
I don’t see how the speedrun mods were in the wrong at any point, but that is the imposed question at the end of this video. Their job is to moderate. They provided evidence Dream was cheating and he did actually cheat. They are biased towards irrefutable evidence, not Dream...
Exactly
EZscape what's up dude !
I hope Dream and his fans give up Minecraft and play better games like Fortnite. That would make me so happy.
Minecraft is dead and will never have the popularity Fortnite has.
@@mlmhighqualityvldeos9187 "better games like fortnite" lmao
Hey, at least the Piglin who gave Dream his Ender Pearls is famous and probably bragging to his friends
What's up Checkmark?
@@Thakur-sf4jp wow how original
@@Thakur-sf4jp then the guy gets hate for commenting on a vid and gets accusation that hes self promoting
@@Thakur-sf4jp when someone's entire personality and career is ignored, and the only thing you notice about them is a little checkmark at the end of their online alias, you know you are dumb af
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When a professional athlete is found using performance-enhancing drugs, we don't blame the organization behind the sport/activity, we blame the athlete. I don't see why we shouldn't blame Dream here if he cheated, 'accidentally' or not.
Yep
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share. Personally, it helped me understand a lot more in depth.
th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
@@popsiclepop2925 yeah it was one of the best videos I saw on this topic
He's just smart so he is grinding subscribers
so true. i mean the mods are just doing their job.
I hate how dream's fans went from saying "HE DIDN'T CHEAT YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOXIC" like apes to saying "Calm down guys it's just a game"
Not to be a stan but that argument is valid its like matpat saying fnaf is a dream things like that arent nice to hear and annoying but theyre op and undeniable
Also kinda wanna bring this into perspective im really good at the game and have been accused of cheating in my small community when your reputations under pressure you can react poorly the pressure i have is between 50 to 100 people i couldnt imagine how much pressure it would be with millions
@@omegaplayz8334 I know, some people can act badly when under pressure but the stans keep changing their minds all the time
Tb fair im not justifying his fans im just trying to put that into perspective on a comment not full of other comments so people dont have to scroll to see it
And the way im saying it you only really understand the pressure when youve been under it on the outside it seems like not much but for me its slightly personal and i understand why he reacted badly for the mods they went public for no reason so i kinda have to lean towards dream who handled it badly
(Trying not to be a toxic dream stan and explaining my view calmly)
The worst part is not how dream cheated, but how he denied, and acted like it was some accident when admitting it, and playing the victim.
Playing the victim? More like he is the victim. He was cancelled overnight.
@@lolgenitor7065 he was hardly cancelled, and everything he was accused of he actually did, stop defending him when he messed up and didn’t admit to it
@@lolgenitor7065 no he was playing the victim your Favorite youtubers can lie you know that right?
@@edwinbargs5414 I'm confused what do u mean?
Wdym acted like it was an accident when admitting it? Who on earth would dig themselves into that deep of a hole on purpose? He didn’t realize that it applied to worlds he thought it only applied to servers
The mods didn't act poorly at all, nor did they show a bias. Another speedrunner pointed out that the rate at which Dream was getting Ender Pearls was well above the statistical norm, so they launched an investigation. They did their job and reacted professionally.
Kudos to them.
Dream is crybaby, can't deny that
@@vecchioutente Have you seen the cancel mob after him?
@@lolgenitor7065 Nope. He commanded the cancel mob instead.
@@lolgenitor7065 pretty sure this account's existence is to protect dream literally 3 days old
The reason why people think "It's just a game" are dumb is because the stans were attacking and doxcing people who think Dream cheated months ago
Yeah but to be fair both sides gave as much as they got.
The speed running community is very strict. And should be!
@Jo Amon who r they
Did they actually? Or did you just hear that somewhere
@Jo Amon k
Can confirm, Astro Boy is way more intense than any boy.
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Oh, I see what you did there...I had to watch the video twice :/
BUT TAKIS ARE EVEN *MOAR* INTENSE
What about megaman
Blaming the moderators for keeping the records clean and fair is like blaming anti-doping agencies for discovering steroid positive athletes. If you don't want to be outed as a cheater don't attempt to compete on the 'official' scoreboards. That shouldn't need explaining.
Kinda glad andrea didnt say raid shadow Legend
The moderators were absolutely at fault, though.
@@lolgenitor7065 at fault for what, exactly? “Cancelling” Dream? Nah man this would barely make a dent on Dream’s career from his differentiated content (DreamSMP, Manhunt, or his fans in general won’t change that much). They were just doing their job and calling out a person for hacking.
If anything, DREAM is also at fault because there were death threats from his stans too. I’ll admit that both sides had a contribution for the better and for the worse, but Dream could of stopped this if he thought, “what if I really was hacking?” earlier on. Dream needs to grow up, and until then, I’m quite disappointed on him. From all the death threats and time he could of saved if he saw both sides of the coin.
Sorry for the lengthy paragraph. But man, I’m just tired of how long this drama carried on.
@@lolgenitor7065 how you biased fangirl??
@@lolgenitor7065 Damn your account was made in just a day and you're already hopping on every comment trying your best to defend Dream.
How are the moderators at fault? They were just doing there job. Saying that they are in the wrong is like saying that a taxi driver is bad for driving the car.
and then they got harrased by his braindead fans because they were doing their jobs
edit: i meant the braindead fans (aka stans) not every fan is braindead
@@koishi191 don't call them brainded
They might hunt you down
@@classicopop2158 they’re not smart enough to read how could they?
@@Traveler_202 apparently people are starting to Dox people whoever dislikes Dream
I see it as they went too fast because it was dream. They used luck as their only claim which isn't irrefutable and ran with it. A few were pretty toxic and one of them even lied to slander dream. The mod team were pieces of shit but they were right about Dream.
Was dream wrong for being negligent about his mods? Probably not. Was he wrong for gas lighting everyone and defending himself poorly? Very much so.
agree, accidentaly downloading mods and not admitting to it until half a year later and sending hate to every mod in the speedrun community is stupid
@@ReliableExcavationDemolition that was not an accident.
@@moss1w Well accidentally forgot? Idk I’m not into dream so yeah
@@ReliableExcavationDemolition how does one “accidentally delete mods”
@@ReliableExcavationDemolition the mods deserves it tho
The only time cheating is OK is when you cheat death
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@TH-cam Creators ✓ no
How about school? 🤔
*Dark humor go brrrrrrr*
I don't know, the Final Destination movies would beg to differ with that.
My issue with Dream is how he handled the whole situation. He totally denied all the cheating allegations and disrespected the moderators. Even going as far as hiring someone to write a scientific analysis on why he didn’t cheat? Honestly, i don’t understand how his fans can even defend him at this point. What’s worse is, Dream can’t even apologize for his actions without deflecting blame from himself. Embarrassing and immature
“NOOOO HOW DARE SOMEONE CREDIBLE PROVE ME WRONG!1!1!!1111”
@@lolgenitor7065 the funny thing is, he wasnt someone credible. The dudes name wasnt even on the document meaning that the document has no value. Dream prolly got some freshman guy who was his friend to write a document which they both knew were full of fallacies
@STN☑️ immature much?
@@DraknorDragor the guy you replied to spittin fax much 🗣🗣
@@rahe2141 what about that claim has any more proof than him hiring someone legit
"Who's more at fault; the cheater, or the ones who caught him cheating?"
Getting some big The Complainer Is Always Wrong vibes here.
IKR that statement from Andrei makes no sense, the mod team handle all of this very professionally unlike Dream
@@chevizz Dream did try to handle it professionally but that’s hard to do when you are being held gunpoint by cancel culture.
@@lolgenitor7065 the difference here was that it wasn't just rumors from some random reddit account saying he cheated, they had actually evidence against him and he still denied it.
Cancel culture is a bad thing sure but now people are using it as an excuse to get away with things. "Oh yeah all that evidence looks pretty foolproof BUT they're just trying to cancel me, so don't believe them." And it works.
@@0boro This
@@lolgenitor7065 If you can't handle the consequences of fame you shouldn't be famous.
if anything dream should personally apologize to the speedrun mods, i can't imagine the hate these regular people get during that time
he did
He did. Plus both sides got horrendous hate so I hope that makes you feel better
@@enderreaper1482 more like the moderator team got fucking doxxed. thats much more hate than dream got.
@@moss1w Dream also got doxxed. Remember when he posted a pic of his kitchen?
@@enderreaper1482 He posted a pic of his own fucking kitchen by himself, thats not being doxxed by crazy stans. You must have been dropped as a kid or severely autistic to not understand this key detail.
Dream stans before he admitted to cheating: "he didn't cheat he was just lucky'
Dream stans after: " it's just a block game who cares"
Dream stans before:*attacking and threatening anyone who accused dream of cheating on a Minecraft speedrun*
Dream stans after he admits to cheating: it’s just a block game it’s not like it actually matters
@@dr.clorox7771 and there's also Dream Stans who are in absolute denial of Dream cheating.
If you tell them that Dream admitted to cheating then they say, "Nah, he's just joking."
Lol
ur pfp reminds of this guy named diesel patches ;)
@@aiirwreckaa Hes gone now. 😔
The moderators weren’t at fault at all. Even asking that question for interaction in the comments is so wrong. Dream literally cheated and most of the speedrunning community knew it from the beginning. Defending him in any way is foolish, no matter how big or small his platform/following is.
Actually there is a place to discussion.
Like despite that he cheated that one speedrun taking all of his sppedruns down is kinda not fair (even though I think he deserved it)
makar_on it’s what happens when you cheat on a run and submit it it happens to anyone who does it in any game
@@lostmind9072 yeah I know but like is it fair? It's like a person committed a crime and there's a suspicion that they have committed a lot of another crimes and once it's proved that one crime was indeed committed they being accused in all crimes at once.
He didn’t cheat but alright
Zero_Hero_God he did he had an unfair modification on
The whole fiasco was madness.
And I didn’t even know about it until Dream admitted it.
Because his fans and everyone else sweep EVERYTHING HE DOES UNDER THE RUG.
@@sarahbelle81 You mean how the ones cancelling dream are normally anti cancel culture until it’s someone they don’t like?
@@lolgenitor7065 there's a fine line between cancel culture and """""cancel culture""""". cancel culture is calling somebody out as the horrible person that they are, and showing how they haven't changed for the better and probably won't. that's a good thing. """""cancel culture""""" is digging up tweets from 2012 that may have been taken as homophobic and then sending them death threats on twitter lol.
"both sides reacted poorly"
So the mods are at fault for doing their jobs? You make a Speedrun, you better not cheat. It's all on him and o couldn't care less. Play stupid games, earn stupid prizes. I applaud the moderators for doing their jobs.
You can have opinion, but i kinda agree
The mod should just told dream in private, so dream can react with rational mind.
I'm not saying that dream is good, he is not, he use his fanbase to defend his career
Both react poorly, but i think dream reaction worst than the mod
@@troll-bf4uo dream brought it to the public first
@Second Heatwave "accidentally" He used it on purpose, it was not accidentally, he wanted to cheat for whatever reason, maybe to feel good about himself? I dont know but what i know is that it wasnt "accidentally"
@Second Heatwave okay so lets just keep those up there? If you were a champion accused of using drugs to cheat and u are proven guilty, they would strip u of everything u won. Its fair, they're in the right.
@Second Heatwave man are you srsly telling me cheating is okay. i get the part of accidentally doing shit that is why you got take and setup stuff before had and make sure to not have any cheats active. its the same as doing performance enhancement drugs in both case they give your and unfair advantage. dream is cleary at fault
My reason why dream cheating is important: Cheating a speedrun and submitting a time is like cheating in a tournament, sure there is no prize but it's still a competition against other people who didn't cheat
Well the prize is fame and conquest which shows you that dream needed to win by any means to get here today so when they do discover a loose wire he would be to big to stop and have a fan army
I agree,but still,I will never care about Dream
@@TankEngine75 Then don't comment on the whole situation?
He got pretty rich off the back of cheating and spent months letting people get death threats for his own gain
@@saucyyikers3877 oh boo hoo they got threatened by 11 year olds. come on bro yall are being silly this is not that serious focus on the celebrities actually doing shitty things
How to avoid getting backlash from cheating:
*Don't do it in the first place.*
He didn’t cheat in the first place. It’s been known even before the scandal that the moderators despise him. The bias has been very well known but cancel culture has made everybody forget about it.
@@lolgenitor7065 he did... Lmao
@@lolgenitor7065 stan
@@SmiIeyyXD He is all over the comments section for days now wtf?
He's like a keyboard warrior 😂😂
@@asfsgdwfsfew4fwsdfgwerf232 yes 🤣
In my opinion he should just take a break. He is either slowly building an ego because of how toxic he acted and how fake his response was, or he was actually stressed out due to the drama and harassment. Either way, he NEEDS to take a break
Agreed
He should take his Normal pills
He did take a break, for three days. He told Anthony when he had that interview with him
@@crunch5 lmao 3 days. 3 Days is not a break for any good content creator
@@crunch5 honestly I’m thinking more 2-4 month break
dream stans: "he didn't cheat"
after dream admits
dream stans: "who cares it's just a game"
Unfortunately, this is extremely accurate
Hahaha, it's funny 'cause it's true...
LOL
Lol
It’s just a game they said,well after telling his fans to send death threats to modders and lie about cheating and even deleting the mod folder making him defenseless,would you call that a game?
Personally I love Minecraft played when It first came out but just the whole dream thing makes me regret ever installing it.
How did both sides react poorly? Dream reacted poorly, but the moderators were never anything but cordial.
i'm assuming he means one video that the mods put out.... it was v e r y passive aggressive, just like dream's vid on dreamxd in response.
They never really had to make videos about it. It's not really a thing as far as I'm aware. If somebody's run gets removed, usually you can just remove that one run in question (I could be mistaken on that note), and tell the runner why. Sure, dream tweeted about it, but realistically he didn't name any names and the whole issue would've gone away a lot faster if that was the end of it. They posted a video, and then there was a target for the hate. Geosquares channel isn't really FOR explaining why speedruns are removed, it was done for views. They tried justifying it with "if we explain why we did it we thought we wouldn't get hate", but I think everybody's seen enough internet drama to know that's not how it works. The less back and forth there is the less drama there is. I'm not saying that it's all geosquares or the mods fault, but even posting that video was a bad call, and a poor reaction to a tweet about it.
@@smallone2351 ;-; but it is true the issue and drama only started because they went public with it and either ruined his career or from what i hope gave him a dark time for just a while
@@omegaplayz8334 The drama started when Dream commanded his stans to attack the mods when the mods team was just doing their job.
No one even knew it was happening before the mods went public with it though and in there video rhey said dream was being difficult during the questioning while a mod dream brought onto his video said he was being respectful during it
"Losing is always better than cheating" -me who cheated last class because of quarantine. Sorry for the spelling error lol
th-cam.com/video/KMdVWaSK--Q/w-d-xo.html .
"It's a matter of SURVIVAL!"
"Cheating is only acceptable under circumstances of which one cannot win" - my krokodil drenched brain
@@thewatcher3326 nooo, it should be sun tummy art of war
@@cutiebunnyamber3447 no, it's patrick
Honestly, although dream says that his content isn’t based on speedruns, ironically it is. His manhunts that made him famous are speedruns, and literally 80% of his content is doing something fast or challenging and finishing that task. I’m going to have to agree with most of the people here and say Dream is in the wrong. What’s the point of covering something up and then later on admit it when it dies down.
Manhunts aren't really speedruns.
@@bigboodayy1345 technically, it's speedrunning but with people trying to kill you
Playing the game until the end isn’t speedrunning. This is the smartest dream canceller.
@@lolgenitor7065 that's literally what it is, by definition. except fast.
@@themanysirs1814 with multiple categories even
Both sides reacted poorly? Excuse me what? The moderators were literally just doing their job…
I think he was talking about how the moderstors could've handled it more privately before announcing their theory of Dream cheating
@@bearlyalive9669 They did discuss it in private, I believe Dream broke the news on Twitter before the mods made any full statement.
There really is no way for the mods to win here. Go public and explain it and people accuse them of chasing drama. Keep it private and have people accuse you of not being transparent.
@@morbideddie ohh I see, then yeah it would be unreasonable for people to say the moderators handled it poorly, it’s interesting how they did all this and was still made out as the bad guy despite the piles of proof people obviously didn’t read through
He didn't apologize, he is trying to sell the idea that he "accidentally" turned cheats on.
And these stans worship him as a god and a genius, yet still believe he'd actually pull that off
Agree lol, watching Karl Jobst video and i get the same idea
Im turn on cheat for manhunt and i forget to turn it off
Ya he accidentally had some mods on he didn’t cheat
Stan spoted
i disagree though I don't believe he accidentally cheated I do believe he tried to apologize
Tbh, if he actually cares about his “stans”, this won’t be much of a problem.
I’m not a hater or anything, just really concerned about everyone harassed by his “stanbase”
Yea
He also said he doesnt care about all the nsfw fanart
Edit 1: I knew many people would disagree or agree in my controversial comment, but anyway If you think about it every single thing that dream said or do etc deeply reftlects the ontological statement of the play as a whole barely making it misunderstood by a lot of his fan's or hater's making it into a whole new Controversy that lead him into getting cancelled idk just a thought
Edit 2: also when the time he said that he also said none of the people being showed in his videos are minors like george, sapnap and bad but now he has a lot of minor friends that got affected by the thing he said "none of us is minors" also even back then bad isnt fine with any nsfw stuff so yeah
@@cyberseai9305 true
@@cyberseai9305 yeah the ones with him. so what
Tbh
Glad so many of the comments are pointing out how ridiculous it is to put the blame on the moderators here. Even in their paper they were biased in favor of dream not cheating but even with that heavy bias the numbers still determined that he cheated. The number his astrophysics came to was debunked by a ton of sources and it wasn’t even close to just “some really good luck” stand up maths has a great video that shows mathematically that even if everyone on earth was constantly playing Minecraft around the clock for over a 100 years no one would even get close to that kind of luck. They did their job and they did it well. The run was cheated, they removed it. They tried dealing with it privately, dream made it public, they then responded to it publicly. It’s just such a weird take saying they were at fault in anyway given the timeline of events as well as the fact that he undeniably cheated his run. They weren’t the ones running around name calling and rallying their millions of followers.
You need to look at both sides. The moderators had a long history of being biased, they clearly were not any different with Dream. Cancel culture is ran by jealousy.
@@lolgenitor7065 Ok then give me an example of an 'incident' ?
@@lolgenitor7065 Yeah and the mods were in the favour OF dream.
@@lolgenitor7065 alright, which person did the mods favour ? Or you just make this shit up to back your own ass.
@@afootballfanfromearth There has been proof that they talked shit about Dream behind his back even before the so-called “scandal”, that’s one of the reasons everybody sensible knows that he didn’t cheat in the first place.
"Both sides reacted poorly"
"The moderators should not disqualify someone just for having a large platform"
Too bad they didn't do that. That first statement is the most disgusting approach to fence-sitting I've ever heard. The speedrunner mods went above and beyond in their attempt to explain exactly why his speedrun was dq'd. And they were right.
The over reaction from the mods was going public and saying dream was rude and not giving them certain folders in the original vid he said that then on dreams vid he brought on 1 mod who said he was respectful during it
@@omegaplayz8334 Dream openly called them clout-chasers, what's your point
@@Artician I thought the point was that both sides reacted poorly.
@@ares6054 No, their point was that the mods reacted poorly and not dream, when it was actually the polar opposite.
3 months dream lied about the speedrun and people are still defending him? God dream stan moment
Me: Hopefully the sponsor isn't RAID SHADOW LEGENDS
Andrei: Monster LEGENDS
Edit: Why is this comment more popular than the comprehensive opinions the other comments gave?
Edit 2: Thanks for all the likes!
th-cam.com/video/KMdVWaSK--Q/w-d-xo.html .
"everywhere I go.. I see his ad"
amogus 😭
XD
Ah lovely 2 bots replied to you :
Dream: "Im not a speedrunner im just a entertainer"
"Proceeds to upload it in a competetive speedrunning website"
Детерминизм это Свобода 🤙 🤙 🤙
profile pic is perfect
nvm he changed it, before it was soy wojak
Its because people encouraged him to upload it to speedrun.com
Thats what he said
@@mexi3694 Does he expect us to believe after defending his lie for 6 months and attack everyone said otherwise
@Limeify He hired an astrophysicist, shouldn't he check things before he does that?
"Both sides reacted poorly" the speedrun mods were just doing their jobs and they did it professionally and all of their evidence is legit, it was dream that acted poorly not to mention he basically told his stan community to attack them which they did
He didn’t do that. I’m going to have to call you out on that.
@@lolgenitor7065 wow, guess who it is
@@lolgenitor7065 lmao u literally made this account just to protect dream?
He doesn't even understand math
He should know his place fool dream
@@zevuu_ at least he knows english, unlike you. =)))
Guys you can’t blame him for cheating because he just wasn’t taking his normal pills.
I hate the mask jokes at this point. That was how he decided to talk about his issues.
Honestly, good move for Dream for quitting speedrunning, I'm only mad at the stans at this point
@@J4CKS0N_D34R3ST whats the point of Damascus
God that fucking video lmao
@@sidneysaldevia81 idk man what is its point
"They are both at fault"
*Dream who ignited his fandom to send hundreds upon thousands of hate messages and death threats to the mods*
*The mods who are simply doing their job*
HMM, I wonder who is more at fault. Terrible take dude.
He said both, not one is more, one could have a fault of like 1, and the other could have 50000, but they would still both be at fault.
Dream didnt tell them to send hate.
@@cristyadora6075 he didnt directly say it, but he let it happen and implied it was fine when he insults them and only says "oh well harassment bad"
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share. Personally, it helped me understand a lot more in depth.
th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
I just follow dream but i agree with you
i dont like how most of his fans just ignored when he admit it
ig it didnt even matter he does a good entertainin content
tbh i rlly dont care
Just shows how brainwashed they all are
@@-Tanooki- sorry for watching a green blob and being entertained by him
I didn't, even when I believed he didn't cheat, I still had the mentality of, " wow, it's a game, what's the big deal".
Yeah true. In fact I saw some people say he didn’t cheat even though he admitted to it. They’ve been living under a rock if they somehow didn’t hear of it especially if they’re a fan of Dream
Dream stans before: He did not cheat!!!
Dream stans now: Who cares it's a game
The idiocity
they are just so stupid. Its so sad seeing Minecraft this way after growing up with xbox Minecraft.
I was a Dream super fan....
Its more like
Dream stans after: He kinda sucks now!
P.S. I only care about his hitman series anyway so.... I hate him but, I will still watch.
Sorry.
I watch them when I'm bored.
Im gonna wait for an argument to form here
@@seijuranpartheepan9505 Remember, he does represent a notable portion of the MC community, yet it's far from being the main one. Many others of the Dream SMP are actually great, and most have a nice community.
It actually pleases my soul that those dream stans were backstabbed by their own god.
BTS and Dream stans are the biggest pests I've ever experienced
Just stans in general honestly
@@SelimGurkas Agreed lol
It’s weird how they like the word Stan now even though it has negative connotation.
@@plaguedoctor5639 It's interesting, because the official source from Oxford Languages defines Stan as "An overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity." Yet many people associate and are sometimes proud to associate with the term.
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How are the mods at bias here? Speedrunning has rules, this is like using steroids in the Olympics, its illegal and come on now, Dream cheated intentionally, he had plenty of time to own up anyways. The best move would be to have to come clean as soon as the statistics were discovered.
Agreed, frankly, if there is any sort of foul play from the moderators, that would be an entirely separate problem to examine and look at, as is the way the dream fans behave. Dream cheated, plain and simple, to put the moderators in with this argument is a bad case of muddying the waters, and utilizing the "Whataboutism" tactic.
If I'm blunt, Dream needs to learn a lesson from this event, that deception and trying to hide the truth is going to backfire. Further, I'd seriously wish he would confront his more zealous fans, and shut down the hostility they have towards anyone who is anything less than fawning over him. Fans are tricky, but the cult-like behaviour is a dangerous force that malicious and narsicistic folks could only dream of using as a weapon.
some of the mods werent great fans of his content before he submitted his records and werent on good terms so idk if that counts
@Can Tin i never said it did in anywhere of that i just said it seems far fetched for him to cheat and then say to everyone he didnt and THEN come out to say he did but overall he treated the situation poorly and wouldnt had been a great deal if he was mature
Technically speaking I tried for eam Speedrun and by only giving 10 5vor 2 pearls I got the eye and technically a random world hypotheticaly has a seed and In seeded worlds you are very likely to get ender pearls so I guess maby if his worlds where accidentally seeded.
@@saltheanarchist8741 doing your job even though you hate your client is still not biasy but intentionally violating the rules and regulations of your job to harm your client just because you hate your client is what we call biasy
And the mods just did their job whether they hate dream or not so it's not biasy
I disagree to the last part a bit, no one has invited him to speedrunning it was all his choice,also the speedrun moderators are being the best they can towards a guy who cheats and use his fan base to defend himself. In my knowledge they never went cancelling him they just laid down facts and clear cut data to prove him wrong.They also accept dream's contribution to speedrunning community which gave them more fame. Speedrunning was open to all and was never biased.Example would be dani and hbomb they are still recognised as speedrunners. So the fact that speedrun community was rude to him does not make sense. In my opinion all the blame is on dream.
I agree
DAM I HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING i don't care
i don't care about dream but i hate his friends they r loud
@@gunsafety344 no one asked
@@granda3649 i did , because that man that said that dream and his friends are loud is spitting FACTS BOIII
I completely disagree with "both sides reacted poorly". The speedrun mods were hundred percent professional in dealing with this. They made a verdict and stuck with it throughout all this. The speedrun community was only reacting to annoyed stans. It is true that he became a disliked figure but nobody was going after him or anything. His 1.16 runs was removed 5 months ago but the rest of his runs were only removed recently because they also had some suspicious stuff going on. I don't know the exact details, but I do know that its not solely because he had cheating history, even though it was one of the reasons. Its also notable that mods can only "unlist" the run from the leaderboard but it was dream who completely deleted the runs from the site altogether. Other than that, great video as always :D
Yeah I agree, I felt he was being a little too ambiguous there to the point where it was kinda insulting to the mods who just did their jobs and did them well.
Professionalism. That is what this comment is all about
+1
The thing about speedrunning is that no matter how many succesfull or unsuccesfull runs you have, once you cheat, all of your runs are tainted, specially if you lie about it. Dream shot himself in the foot by complaining on twitter or making that god awful video of his, this caused all of his stans to go full rage on the Moderators and the speedrun community, thus making him look even worse.
@@QuackHab There are some examples of cheaters becoming a great runners in other games. Best example that comes to mind in LeKukie, who apparently cheated in some kart game when he was a teen, but he is a top level runner in smb1 now, arguably the most optimized speedgame of all time. That said, dream definitely doesnt seem seem to be just a mischievous teen :D
Dream: "Ya know, my hand slipped and the data pack fell into my folder purely accidentally"
Athletes in the future "Ya know, I slipped on a banana peel and accidentally fell into a bowl of syringes..."
Stans: It's just a block game/it's just rapidly moving your feet in a direction!
It’s still incredibly dubious that he “forgot” to check a plug-in that he uses for every video. Wouldn’t that be the first place you look?
he didnt look
@@Corridor3000 he had 5 MONTHS worth of time to check xD
The issue is how Minecraft works. Dream has consistently changed versions, in fact, either the day after Dream sent that speedrun, or the day after he offered the mods his mod folder, there’s conflicting information there, he changed to 1.15. This meant the mods that he had in the folder wouldn’t work, so he had to delete the mod folder, or move the mods around, which, given that he also uses the mod developer for the mods that appear in his challenge videos, and on his friends channels, the amount of changes to be done to the folder at the time, especially since he was doing his manhunts about 1 version behind, 2 versions behind after 1.16 came out, you can see how the confusion started. On top of that, according to Karl Jobst, who is making a video of his own, the mod that Dream mentioned did more than simply increase drop rates, it also does what sodium does, makes the game run better. There’s better launching time, less particles, boosted framerate, and other quality of life changes that make the video quality better.
Given that the mod was labeled “Dream’s Recording Mod” you wouldn’t think that pearl and rod rates would be boosted as well.
@@nukclear2741 he made the fucking mod he knows what it does
@@ImplyDoods I’m in Karl’s discord now. It doesn’t appear that you are correct.
Dream stans: "Dream didn't cheat. And if he did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not his fault. And if it was, he didn't mean it. And if he did, he deserved to."
THEY ALWAYS DEFEND HIM LIKE WHAT
You shouldn't be surprised, it's natural to famous people.
You shouldn't complain anything, so just sit quietly and watch the world burn.
>:)
LOL this comment sums up dream stans in a nutshell
This comment brought tears into my eyes. In a good way
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Dream was in the wrong. The first thing he or a member of his team should have done when the speed run was disputed is check if the mod was on. To go as far as hiring an astrophysicist is just stupid. Big Karen energy.
Dreams not a girl, so its chad
Not to mention he found out like a couple months after that he cheated and never came clean for like 7 months he deleted the vid and didn’t say anything
@@chromecheeserobot Nah Chad is epic... Dream will never live up to Chad's shadow
@@stearman100 I understand why is took him a while to come clean. It can be scary gaining such a big fan base and feeling like you could lose it off a mistake or if he knew what he was doing. I’m glad he came clean and hope he can learn from this.
@@pngu1n538 I would agree with the statement if it wasn’t the fact that his fanbase is so loyal he could do pretty much anything and they would defend him. Hell they defended or didn’t care when he came clean about this. He knows this and manipulated the situation to his favor.
Isn’t this Dream’s fault. Like I used to like him but if he cheated when he wasn’t supposed to, it was his fault. The mods were just doing their jobs.
well did you know that that run was not even suppose to chart on the top ranks... His world record speed run was not debunked so it is obvious that it was an accident.
Ooopsies I just accidentally leave a cheat and I accidentally delete the mod file out of frustration and Ooopsies I just harassed the mod
@Märt Kaljuvee Dawg we have no Idea if the "accident" was true or not its better to just not be apart of any of this and just mind our own business
@Märt Kaljuvee Dude are you a speedrun mod? Are you Dream? Yeah exactly
Andrei, the biggest reason is apology is so sus is because of how minecraft mods work; different "versions" of the installation need to be made, for example with Dream the 1.16 version would be separate from the modded "manhunt pearl trade increasing" version. This implies that he loaded the different version *6 different times* for each stream "unknowingly", yet wouldn't he be able to see that he's loading the wrong version? Why would he load the exact same version several times without even noticing the pearl trade increase. In addition, this just came to me so prob some holes in this, he mentioned in a manhunt "this is why I cheated" as a joke (not saying that is his admission) and yet if the mod provided boosted trades, what exactly was he complaining about in his manhunt video which the mod was specifically made for?
Yeah, wait, that's actually very true... If that mod was made to boost drop rates in a manhunt video, why was he complaining about drop rates in a manhunt video when the mod should do that :/ Seems sus
very sus
Even with the percentage at 15% instead of the usual 4/7%, you can still get bad luck
The joke was minecraft had nerfed pearl trades because he had cheated and had been really lucky with trades. He made this joke because he was getting unlucky with trades in the manhunt.
He doesn't really need to change much actually. He just stays on the same version, 1.16.
I agree his explanation is kinda sus, I just don't think this is good reason for it
Dream is definitely in the wrong. Because he didn't admit it sooner his fans were harassing the speedrun mods. Dream shouldn't be forgiven so easily.
Did u even watch the video
To quote the video, dream was definitely in the wrong in some ways, yet so was the speedrun moderators and others involved. Dream shouldn't be forgiven quickly bit he still should
@@armasleinonen7928 shut up dream fan kick rocks get mad cuz your lover cheated on Minecraft
@@romeersharma2488 It will be hard tp forgive him when he has done NOTHING to fix his mistakes. All he has done is cry, use his power against others, and make fake excuses.
@@armasleinonen7928 yea and I disagree with some parts and there’s people who disagree as well and are voicing it in the comments
Moderation team was perfectly in the right. They also ended up being right. They didn't target dream because he was "popular". They targeted him because he had an abnormal amount of "luck". Also after all the damage was done from him getting his impressionable and unself aware fanbase to attack anyone who disagreed with him, he calls himself the victim. His career was never at danger. The "apology" is just like every other youtube apology. Victimizing and steering away from the actual problem, making the audience feel bad for him. And this should be a big deal. It is blatant proof he is clumsy with his power and fanbase and acts out of emotion which only harms other people. (P.S. I'm not a "dream hater" or "anti-dream" I just see what he is doing and hate it.)
So, in other words, they hated him because he’s lucky.
@@lolgenitor7065 no he was unrealistic lucky meaning his luck was fake....
@@lolgenitor7065 oh mommy, look! A dream stan!
@@lolgenitor7065 2 words. GET GLASSES
@@susmc3049 …so because he’s lucky then.
I personally don’t see how the mods were remotely at fault. They had every right to be suspicious and do the investigation. Not to mention Dream stans sending death threats to the mod team even though they were doing their job like...?
Didn’t Dream say, this was at the end of the allegations, that “Whatever the Astrophysicist said, that will be my stance.” Remember that? Cause I do!
Well his Astrophysicist said that Dream did in fact cheat.
Yeah, sure, didn’t happen. I’m going to have to call you out on that.
@@lolgenitor7065 copium
@@lolgenitor7065 You're actually right, the astophycisist never said dream cheated. However he DID say that dream probably cheated after coming to the conclusion that the odds of the speedrun being legit were 1 in 100 million, which is still ridiculously low but not as low as 7 trillion obviously.
@@lolgenitor7065 drive.google.com/file/d/1f5Ecvk-vltadkjI2yr5bonpPGXJD6zSZ/view
Look at the last sentence, of this paper. No, you don't have to read all of it. No this is not a virus.
In plain text it says: "But either way, the probabilities were almost
certainly modified and *this provides very strong evidence that Dream cheated*."
Is that clear enough or will you now just be distrustful of this writer that dream hired explicitly to prove his innocence?
@@lazergurka-smerlin6561 Yeah exactly, that papers makes me clear that dream really cheated in the past months like 4 months. But other people disagree to this paper while the speedrun mods agree that their math are off but somehow the other pages maybe wrong.
Dream's excuse basically a dude who got banned on -hypixel- UHC for x-ray and blamed it on his brother.
Shit comparison.
wait, why would someone use x ray on hypixel?
@@derpypaws1250 uhc
@@lolgenitor7065 dream simp
@@lolgenitor7065 "If you have a anime pfp your opinion is invalid"
I have to admit I disagree with your conclusion. I don't think it's valid to say "both sides reacted poorly", as the mods displayed nothing but professionalism in dealing with the situation, sticking with their findings. Dream on the other hand mocked the accusation, tried miserably to rebuke it, and fought it basically to the bitter end. Even the speed-run community itself reacted more maturely than Dream's community/stans.
As to his "unmodded" runs, it's standard protocol in the speed-running community to look at the speed-runs of known cheaters with more scrutiny, and when they did that, they noticed those runs were suspicious, so they unlisted them. There's no secret sauce "bias" here, just the mods doing what they're meant to do.
i agree, the only person who really was behaving poorly was dream.
This person right here spitting facts
I agree. Though, I love Dream’s content, it’s not hard to see who reacted poorly. And finding that reaction from a 21/22 year old creator isn’t really setting my hopes high
Cancel culture forced Dream to “act poorly”, so yes one side did act poorly but not the side you think. Try to see it from both sides.
@@lolgenitor7065 dream used his fan base to defend him which they did dreams fan base has more power that’s like defending yourself with a tank with a guy with a pistol he should have been more careful using his fan base
When Russia was caught cheating in the Olympics, they were stripped of the ability to use their name, flag, and uniforms for *8 years*. Cheating in competition is the lowest of the low, and then spending half a year belating the people who were in the right, and still claiming you cheated "accidentally" while victimizing yourself is the worst way to handle it. Just apologize dude. I will never see Dream in the same light, and I do not want to support his content in the slightest. I hope the speedrun moderators don't get harassed like this in the future. I think Dream shouldn't be allowed to speedrun for a noticeable period of time, and a sincere apology is required.
Big agree. Tho in this case we cant stop someone from literally actually playing the game in a speedrunning manner, so instead we should just ban him from anything spedrun related that is official to Minecraft.
Also of note, I hate the stans going "Lol its just a block game why you so pressed" when this came out. Any cheating in any competition is taken seriously because the community around it is obviously serious about it, but these children dont have the concept of things being important to people even if they themselves dont find it important..
..Which is funny because those same people were also the same ones shouting that he didnt cheat and harassing those who said otherwise lmao
At least he apologized
I kind of disagree. We don't know for sure that how it happened isn't how he said it did. I think freaking out in that situation and trying desperately to hold onto what you'd spent years building is a realistic reaction. I've seen people get canceled and their lives ruined over less. He did do screwed up things, and he should not have done them. He definitely has a lot of growing to do and hopefully he can learn from this if he's going to continue being a content creator.
But I think it's really presumptuous to listen to someone's feelings/motivations and just go "no, you're wrong". Or to listen to someone's apology and go "no, that wasn't sincere enough. You didn't apologize hard enough. Do it again," when maybe they really did pour their feelings into that. I'm not a stan, never was, and I lost some respect for him when I realized he did cheat. But I don't think random people get to decide whether or not someone was being genuine or not about their feelings. Like, sometimes you KNOW, but not liking someone isn't somehow you KNOW that. Like, imagine your biggest mistake, your biggest screw up, that you did because you were scared or stupid or mean or whatever. And when you went to apologize, sincerely, they just told you "No, you're lying. You're not sorry. Do it again, or go screw yourself." Like, it's just f-ed up.
That being said, he did cheat in the end. So yeah, banning him from the speedrunning leaderboard for a while or whatever would be a decent punishment. I'm not into speedrunning so I don't know the protocol for situations like that. And before anyone calls me a stan or a simp or whatever, is it really so wrong to want to give someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were telling the truth about *their* emotions? Is it so wrong to try to be considerate that maybe they did just screw up really badly and aren't an awful person? I like to live by the belief that "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and in that situation, I don't know if I would've reacted much better, so I'm not going to throw any stones. Especially when he already apologized. There's no way to know he wasn't being genuine, and if he really was, then he's already learned his lesson. There's no reason to keep kicking the dead horse.
I can almost guarantee that this “Harvard graduate and astrophysicist” never existed
Wait… I thought Harvard was a law school.
@@silentasamouseiaminsideyou6865 no. I mean you can take law classes but it is variety
@@silentasamouseiaminsideyou6865 just like every other university/college, there are different “schools” on campus for different majors. Harvard has various majors that it offers, however, its Law School is the one of the most reputable.
Just like the supposed “mathematicians” who cancelled dream by discrediting his speedrun?
@@lolgenitor7065 I mean to be verified on r/statistics you have to submit your credentials. And that was a place where a VERIFIED user absolutely tore apart Dreams “response”. I like how he admitted to cheating and yet his stans still defend him.
let's all just speedrun minecraft like quackity. on a treadmil. in a suit.
th-cam.com/video/KMdVWaSK--Q/w-d-xo.html
Đỉnh quá taa
never expected to see this kind of name pop up in this kind of video
_Yes_
…và đấy là cách để học TA mà ko cần vùi đầu vào sách
As a speedrunner myself I gotta say that your acknowledgement of the speedrunning community as a whole was very respectable. Most people would take the easy way out and just call speedrunning utterly pointless so it doesn’t matter, but it felt refreshing to see a TH-camr not take any side one way or another, while still stating the facts of the situation
that's andrei for ya :)
definitely recommend watching him more
very chill and unbiased commentary with nice animation
and of course Wilfur
Fr
@@SocksWithSandalsEnjoyer ong
That is why I really love Andrei's content!
I love the speedrun community I do it sometimes because it's fun and with friends sometime I do soul night
Dream is the middle child of minecraft. He does not matter.
Dream was 100% in the wrong here. The mods did what their job is to do, look at the evidence and decide if Dream's run was legitimate.
Dream's response video was very manipulative, he spent a lot of time talking about how badly the mods messed, and how he had no reason to cheat as a TH-camr.
He abused his following and had his stans send large amounts of hate to people who argued against him. Even now that he finally did admit he was cheating, he had the nerve to say it was accidental, rather than apologizing to the mods or to the 100s of legitimate speedrunners he disregarded when he uploaded his run to a competetive speedrunning website.
Agreed but he didn't send anybody to hate on purpose though
No, Dream did handle it well. The moderators were the ones who sent the cancel culture mob to Dream and that’s why incels like you are now attacking him mindlessly.
@@lolgenitor7065 ah yes, even when Dream himself admits to not handling it well in his apology. yeah okay.
@@lolgenitor7065 stan
@@lolgenitor7065 stan
I love the hypocrisy of dream stans. They harassed a TH-cam for faking a speedrun but when dream admits to cheating they don’t even care
Fr and their only excuse is "Oh it's just a game grow up!!!!!!1!1!" Like, no. Y'all need to grow up and realize you're supporting a sociopathic asshole that manipulates his fans for views and support
@@AyeeeItsAlii sociopathy is not smth you just accuse someone of when you want to say smth mean about them.... its a real, hurtful mental illness, don't joke about that shit
edit: spelling
@@AyeeeItsAlii you cant go around calling people sociopaths. stop throwing around words you dont know
@@AyeeeItsAlii He's cringe and an asshole but certainly not a sociopath.
Sorry for the dislike,i missclicked,but i agree!!
The problem isn't the cheating as itself. It's the way dream weaponized his community that sent death threats to the speed run moderators, harassed anyone who dared to give a negative opinion of him, going as far as making reaction livestream filled with bad faith and lies against the videos treating the subject that weren't supporting his side, in the hope the TH-camrs that made it would be harassed by his fans. One could argue that he doesn't control his community, I would answer that in his way of treating the drama, he deliberately used it in his advantage.
EDIT : if I can add something : He didn't "just recently realized he was cheating" in my opinion. In which world do you deny fully accusations that claims your game could be modded IN THE EXACT SAME WAY a mod you are actually using for another purpose is doing? Wouldn't the most logical reaction be "Wait, did I forget to remove the mod from my files when I started recording this speedrun ??".
It is litteraly impossible he didn't think of it being a possibility.
That's exactly what i was thinking yo! I can't have the same opinion as the video knowing that dream sent his fans to actively attack others
@@woobeewooo that's what i hate most about dream, he acts like his actions don't directly affect his fanbase, for every person with a fanbase their actions will effect how the fans think, ESPECIALLY when you have sooo many young fans, even if he didn't do all the things he did i still wouldn't like him because he never takes responsibility for his actions or actions he did that led to his fans attacking others
If he had admitted any earlier, dream stans wouldve probably stopped sending death threats. He was being selfish
I feel so bad for the moderators considering the fact they just wanted to keep the speedruns accurate so it was fun for everyone but they were mercilessly criticized and attacked by a horde of fans. That would have a horrible impact on anyone's mental health, I really hope they're okay.
@@aendra6495 agreed. I wish the worst for dream though
I honestly hate Dream. I hate him because people said "he's the god of Minecraft" no he isn't. There is no such thing as God of Minecraft. Why? Because there is different things you can do in Minecraft. Building, mining, survival, making a city, pvp, and hundreds of more stuff you can do. Calling Dream a god of Minecraft is just a cheap and one sided way to see, not just him, but Minecraft as a whole. It honestly makes me mad everytime people say this or talk about him in a positive light. All he is, is a Minecraft TH-camr. That's it. I refuse to watch his channel and I'll never watch it. Sorry if this makes people mad. I just really wanted to get this off my chest.
I just finished the video. I agree that he should have rested before posting that. Honestly I don't blame the people that took his name off of the Speedrun world record. However it shouldn't affect others about why they watch it. The paragraph uptop was my opinion on Dream. I more hate his fans than Dream himself. But I do understand both sides of the situation.
Damn bro, do you need some water? Because you must be dehydrated from spitting so many facts.
@@chummysomething9828 lol but that's just my opinion
@aquatic Read the second paragraph at the end. I honestly just wanted to say my opinion on the matter of Dream
The real God of Minecraft is Notch
Damn bro u gotta chill. Dream is human just like us. He’s done some terrible things but he shouldn’t be painted in a bad light either
"Who's more at fault? The cheater, or the ones who caught him cheating?"
Are you serious? Lol
If you were to look further than whatever Reddit tells you, you’d know that Dream isn’t at fault here. Cancel culture is evil and defending it is wrong.
@@lolgenitor7065 Theres a difference between cancelling someone because you don't like them, and calling them out for cheating or doing something wrong. Please learn the difference.
@@c456ex9 no stan, Im not
@@ExtremeMan10 Dude he never said dream was innocent, he only stated that he seems dream acidentaly cheating as a possibility, which even if it is the case, wouldnt make him innocent, because after all aciddentaly cheating is STILL cheating
@@ExtremeMan10 I hate dream but
everyone who doesn't agree with you shouldn't be called a Stan call them a Stan if they say that dream is innocent or the victim or keep attacking u for dream the dude said that it might be possible that dream accidentally cheated but he didn't say he is innocent
It’s definitely Dream who’s in the wrong here. The speedrun site moderators were just doing their jobs, and while maybe they chose to watch the run specifically because he’s so big, that doesn’t excuse Dream.
Dream’s a pretty smart guy. I frankly don’t believe that he didn’t even consider that he had a mod installed, even when he knew that that mod did exactly what he was accused of doing. The fact that he deleted his mod folder makes him even more suspicious.
Regardless, it was very dumb of him to place all the blame on the speedrun site mods. He should know by now how obsessive his fanbase is as a whole, and how aggressive they can be (and were) to anyone who dares contradict their idol. If he truly couldn’t predict that all the doxxing and suicide encouragement would happen, he’s either too out-of-touch or too irresponsible to handle a following so huge and predatory.
the mods didnt even choose to watch the run before investigating it. It was another speedrunner who brought the suspicious droprates to the attention of the moderaters, then the moderators confirmed that its statistically impossible.
Детерминизм это Свобода 🤙
He really should know by now how obsessive his stans are but he actively ignores it and has a completely inaccurate definition of what a stan is, especially his. He's just completely up his own ass.
@@Yipper64 bruh they did watch the run they just didn’t see the problem because the problem isn’t in the run, it’s all of his attempts over 6 different streams. Not watching a 5th place run before verifying it would be demod worthy.
@@Hexamath Not even just ignoring it, he actively encourages stan culture on his twitter
He claims to not be a professional speed runner yet he submits a “world record” speed run to a professional speed running website. Doesn’t matter if you don’t speed run for a profession you still submitted a speed run where you blatantly cheated, and when the mods naturally called dream out on it and perfectly reasonably posted their reasoning for why they denied your speed run (with evidence) dream decided to directly attack the mods in a condescending and overall straight up bitchy manner, which caused his toxic stans to attack the mods constantly, and dream knew he had cheated even if he claims he suddenly discovered, he still waited a long time to tell people, so the mods just got relentlessly threatened and attacked, and of course his fan base ate his bullshit up. Dream is obviously not mature enough to have the platform he has, and he basically needs to grow tf up and stop weaponising his fan base and at least try to control them a small bit
How is he even supposed to control his toxic stans if he isn't mature enough he grew too fast and wasn't expecting it how will you even control your fan base if there are flooding in millions of people unexpectedly?
@@ZeroKyle yeah he cant control his stans but he can be mature infront of them so they will be embarrased by their self
@@evangelinelomboy260 thats the thing how are they gonna be embarassed if they are mature as well? oh wait that solves the problem-
Thank you for this comment and I think more people in the world should think like you
dream doesnt control his stans . plus he literally said to not attack anyone on his behalf
Dream: “I don’t need to cheat because I’m already a successful TH-camr.”
Dream Later: “Yeah I cheated lol sorry.”
Honestly, the timing for his apology is just sketch to me. Seems like the dude is milking out as much of the exposure as he can from this one incident.
I think it's sincere since he doesn't seem able to handle the pressure. However, that doesn't justify him cheating/lying about it for so long. Idk abt milking it since his career might get screwed from this...
@@abigail6394 The fight for relevance is still a thing no matter how big you get. I'm just saying that the timing of everything is just a bit too fishy for me to disregard the possibility that this is intentionally timed to get people to continue talking about him. He has made some dubious online public choices as of late for me to be increasingly aware of the pattern as well.
He apologised a few days after some of his speedruns got removed
His entire community is unraveling at the moment, he’s just trying to minimise damage
@@mentalasian7315 + @Kal Wardin Ah, that does explain a lot. Thank you for the added context! :) It's honestly good to know despite it not changing much about the way I view him still. Thank you very much for telling me :)
I feel you're giving Dream and his """""""Astrophysicist""""""" way too much credit. The mods did an excellent (if overly wordy) job of proving, unequivocally, that Dream did cheat. It was not a "He said, She said". Perhaps to people who didn't either read the papers or the responses or breakdowns of the papers, or simply didn't understand any of it; but the overwhelming consensus, at least in the videos I watched, was that the mods are right, Dream cheated. @Standupmaths did an excellent (if not the best) job of breaking all the math down.
As far as I can tell, the only way Dream is coming out of this, is as an immature idiot.
there were also trillions of simulations done that lined up with the mods math
The reason a lot of people even myself gave dream benefit of the doubt is because the mod who came out and made a call out video did it for clout rather than keeping it quiet seeing as dream saw it was rejected and moved on and the mod made a video about just purely for clout. That’s why I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I was under the impression the mods were extremely biased.
All dream had to say to refute the mods’ math was “they’re using unfair stats that are targeted against me in a non bias way” and some other half baked claims.
@@Jechew As illustrated in the mods' paper and in this video: th-cam.com/video/8Ko3TdPy0TU/w-d-xo.html , no matter how you flip the numbers, it is not reasonable that Dream could ever been as lucky as he was. The math is unequivocal; Irrespective of Dream's confession, we can be sure he cheated.
I remember watching a video where someone explained it and even said the numbers were actually positively biased. I mean it makes sense to show that even with the best luck and stats he couldn't have done it so he had to have cheated
dream stans saying "oh its just a block game u dont have to hate him" but when techno won against dream the stans were wishing death on techno
True
What’s ironic is that they were threatening peoples lives over the so called “block game”
Didn’t they try to dox him?
That's what I hate about Dream stans, they are all bunch of hypocrites
Dream ruined minecraft and the minecraft community
Dream stans really went from “he didn’t cheat” and doxxing people to “it’s just a game”
The whole argument where “dream didn’t set out to set speed run records” is kind of BS to me. because even if that wasn’t his intention or what he actively tries to go for That should have just given him more of a reason not to lie AND to not actively lie during the whole start of the drama and push his community to support him even tho he KNEW HE WAS LIEING TO THEM because it shows how he is willing to lie about stuff that “really shouldn’t matter”. And if he does learn great but that begs the question what other shit isn’t he telling people about
My man could run for president and win the debates
Well technically he didn’t start speed running to set world records, he did it to practice for manhunts, or so he claims
exactly!
@@peristeronic5520 And that could also be a lie, he lied before he could easily do it again.
He didn't wanted a fast time, he wanted a time faster. This thing is more agreeable
The biggest problem here is his stans harrased creators who calls dream out and he himself attacked them, with his fandom size the damage to those people are big.
th-cam.com/video/KMdVWaSK--Q/w-d-xo.html
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Bots: Allow us to introduce ourselves
especially nightriez, his whole channel got swept away like it was a tornado aftermath
dream isn't apologetic because he cheated, he's apologetic because the mods decided to call him out. basically, he's sorry he got caught.
Idk if what I'm about to say is true so sorry if it isn't but a lot of ppl say that he didn't respond so everyone could forget all the dumb shit he's done but when he tried to submit a run and the mods removed it he wanted to make an apology so the mods would look like villains if they told the public about the deleted run
Heres a video of Karl Jobst explaining Dream cheating in his runs in an unbiased manner. You’re free to watch it if you’d like. Just thought I’d share.
th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
I’m not a dream Stan, but honestly I don’t think anybody would
tbh i think dream is apologetic because he cheated its just that he was in denial about it all thats why it took so long for a confession
th-cam.com/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/w-d-xo.html
I accidentally took steroids in the Olympics
He is at fault, a cheat is a cheat. People spotting signs of a potential cheater and calling that person out as a possible cheater is not a bad thing. This is why we have drug testing in irl sports such as ufc and Olympics.
I agree
“MY BIDEO GAMES ARE LIKE THE OLYMPICS!1!1!1!1111”
@@lolgenitor7065 Actually yes, they are, that's why there are e-sports.
@@LLCL2012 and speedrunning is competitive since leaderboards for them are made
@@lolgenitor7065 how does dream boots taste like you Stan?
Another part is that some of the moderators asked for Dream’s mod files for that run and he started going crazy and all and I was watching a video more in depth but that’s what I can remember and I think he used an excuse for the file being “corrupted” or “accidentally deleted” or sum shit.
Edit: Read the first reply
Watch the updated mod video. The mod who accused Dream himself said that was a lie and dream happily handed the files over
@@BegitoBrah ahh ok thanks, I wasn’t so invested in his scandal so thanks for the update man.
@@BegitoBrah Stan spotted
@@raphaelventura2997 not every fan is a stan
@@raphaelventura2997 they are true tho looks like someone didn't do research
"who is more at fault? A famous cheater or the people who had the audacity to call out a famous youtuber for cheating?"
I'm sure the sponsor had nothing to do with that
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Dream fans after he cheated: "it's just a block game😐"
Me: *why do you even Stan him he's pro at JuSt a BlocK gAme*
Why do people stan other people in general
HAHAH LITERALLY
1000iq
I agree with both.
I dont get why people care so mutch about some game and I dont get why others care so mutch for some guy playng said game.
his stans babying him like "omg he's so brave for admitting it!!" the only thing that was brave about his apology is how he dared to admit it after 7 months of denial from himself and harassment for the mods and experts. you need real balls to admit you were in the wrong right when your precious 1.15 speedrun gets taken away, yeah right.
Admit it. Fighting cancel culture and risking your entire career is brave, although he could have held out a few more months.
@@lolgenitor7065 the cancel culture he got was the cancel culture he deserved. not like he even got canceled because of his idiotic fanbase. by admitting it around half a year later he knew he wouldn't get canceled. had he done it right when the drama was a hot topic, he probably would've lost a lot of followers.
and if he held out a few more months? if he did that it'd be even worse. he'd be much more of a douche than he's seen as now. if he held out for a year, all it would mean was that he took a year to think "oh maybe i should apologize for the cheating i did a year ago, now that no one is really focusing on it anymore."
then again, your account was not created a long time ago, so if you're a troll, it's hilarious. ha. ha.
@@lolgenitor7065 "Its not about admitting cheating, its about fighting cancel culture"
"Its not about shitting on the President's face, its about fighting democracy"
@@angkhoa1216 LMAO made my day.
Didn't he say on a community post the apology was a joke?
Andrei : "This video is sponsored by mon-"
Me : ⏭10
Lmao
Lol
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Same
Same
This video is weird and extremely bias. Dream is 100% at fault here. The moderators are just doing what they are supposed to do. Of course they would point out this, he’s a really big, influential TH-camr with a big platform. He’s not just some random idiot cheating. The fact that dream lied for months, getting tons of innocent people hate by tricking his impressionable stans into believing him is ridiculous. If he really did “accidentally” cheat, he should’ve said it from the start and been more careful when doing speedruns.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
I think he’s actually trying to be unbiased so he doesn’t get curbstomped by either side
@@LaserDawg He's being biased towards Dream, everyone with half a braincell or more knows that Dream is a manipulative sociopath who's always been at fault and is never right.
You could look at a turd and it would tell you better information but I guess I can't say that since Dream himself is a huge turd.
@chding zuure There is no Dream Hater or Anti, it's a stupid name Dream stans invented to stand up for the billion Dream stans.
It has to be bias, the creator cannot make it look like he’s against dream. He’ll get cancelled and doxxed.
That’s honestly pathetic how Dream handled the situation he’s just playing the victim like everyone else and him saying “I don’t know if I cheated” it’s honestly stupid
How tf do you cheat "accidentally"
@@danizdy1474 stan
Victim card
@@DwayneTheClock >Uses mods to make most your content on youtube
>Doing speedruns for fun when fans ask you to submit it
>Forget you have mods that are unnoticeable in anyway turned on
@@BegitoBrah doing speedruns for fun while also submitting them to a competetive speedrun site and being butthurt cuz you got banned for cheating, hiring a fucking astrophysicist to defend yourself and calling mods clout chasers, saying you accidentally cheated few months later with no apology and then playing the victim card
I rest my case techno blade is actually better than dream
You are more right then the Wright Brothers
I will not allow harm to this gentleman
@Danis Kolasinac yea
Techno cheated
@@Mitsurashi-i1h what he cheated at
The mods did not react poorly to it at all. Considering they are just volunteers getting sent death threats by the horde I’m surprised they handled it THIS well
I mean Dream obviously got 10x as many threats. I saw like 6 videos agreeing with Dream, 45 hating on Dream, and 3 respectfully debunking Dream.
@@c.i.a.932 the difference is that Dream ACTUALLY, did something wrong. The mods were only doing their jobs, and they actually did it well.
@@c.i.a.932 ok, now imagine this:
Dream: got debunking by 100 youtubers about his speedrun
The 100 youtubers debunking his speedruns: Got attacked by millions of people (Dream Stans)
@@c.i.a.932 now look at the fanbases
@@c.i.a.932 i feel like the thing is he is a large youtuber and is probably used to that stuff, the speedrun.com mods on the otherhand were much smaller and probably wouldnt know how to handle stuff
"Speedrunner" cheats at speedrunning.
Speedrunning mods say "This seems like cheating".
After a protracted period, admits that they did cheat.
"BuT WhO wAs In ThE WrOnG hErE?!?!"
I guess we'll never know, huh?
H m m m
He had to cave into cancel culture demands, you do realize?
@@lolgenitor7065 By "cave to cancel culture demands" what you mean is "had to take responsibility for his own bad behaviour".
Diddums.
He is still posting minecraft content on his youtube channel, posted just a few days ago - with 12M views.
What exactly does "cancelled" mean in your vocabulary?
@@EmperorSmith nothing. It's just a buzzword.
@@lolgenitor7065 he wouldn’t have had to if he didn’t cheat
dream before: calls a harvard astrophysicist
dream now: yeah, i cheated LOL
Yeh
**insert yotube video link here** .
The way he lied while sounding so sure and literally lied so much
Scary ☠️
@@jk_ilyu What?
"So, when you draw the line, both sides reacted poorly" What are you actually talking about? How did the moderators reacted poorly?
Speed running is not just a game. Its a whole community. Just imagine a cheater getting away with it while your getting doxed by his fans for saying suggesting he cheated. This is not only one lie. He already knew he cheated yet he kept lying and lying to himself and his fans
You know in all honestly I don’t think he knew he cheated 1 because it happened a while ago and A lot of people have gotten over it so if he knew he cheated he should’ve kept his mouth shut because nothing would’ve happened to him Second in the video where he was proving where he didn’t cheat he literally hired a mathematician so I think at the time he really thought he didn’t cheat
@@jaydnparker786 nah, u stfu
@@zmatt25 what that’s literally uncalled for I just stated my opinion in the situation there’s no need to be rude
@Mcfischl I do it he should be punished like he should be able to speed run again I just don’t think it makes sense for him to come out like six months later and be like “ hey guys you know how everybody accused me of cheating like 6 months ago yeah and now no one cares anymore yeah well I cheated and even though I didn’t have to say anything because nobody cares anymore and I could just go on with my career without speaking on this topic again but nope I cheated and I’ve known since the beginning” if he knew I feel like he would’ve kept going without saying anything
@@jaydnparker786 do you see how fake his apology is? He cheated to get popular in the speedrunning community and is just looking for views. That astrophysicist's identity was never revealed, so whoever it was might not have been an astrophysicist at all. At this point, all his manhunts might be staged too. He cried wolf not once, not twice but SIX TIMES. He isn't credible anymore.
I’m kinda pissed they didn’t just ban him outright he admitted it, he manipulated his fans into believing he got it legitimately, I heard from actual speedrunner mods where he basically abusive towards them when I was in a vc with one and Karl Jobst, and he purposely waited it out until the heat went when these mods were getting death threats for months on end.
They probably all of them would get money from him
Why are you trying to paint him in a bad light like that? You know nothing about him…
@@lolgenitor7065 STFU DREAM STAN just get a life
I'm starting to think that the mods actually afraid to ban him because of his stans start to attack them
@@demviction possibly so, and that sucks ass
Fun fact, horses are the only other animals besides humans to be 'olypians'
This has nothing to do with the situation.
Damn thats cool
Unrelated, but very interesting.
@@lolgenitor7065 did he say it was related to dream keep your chills and just at the fact
Wait really?
Dream is at fault here. Forgive me for offending anyone but I have to state my opinion. Dream is a grown man and with almost 30M subs now, the mods were right to do their jobs and Dream needs to grow up.
high 5 men
Agree
“The speedrun moderators may well have had a negative bias against Dream, for being as successful as he is.”
Sorry, but how? They responded respectfully and professionally to the situation, and they were decently accurate with their results, there was no bias.
“…and it is equally important for the speedrun community to not simply form an opinion against someone or disqualify them for having a large platform.”
Which…didn’t happen at all? It was obvious he was cheating, that’s why they disqualified him and formed a negative opinion on him. You’re making an argument that doesn’t exist here.
Sorry, it’s just that those two statements were complete lies and I don’t what was going through your brain there.
Yeah there’s really no evidence to say that the mod team was truly biased except for dream saying that in “private” conversations that no one has ever seen and that he can’t show, the mod team was jealous or biased because of his following which just shows how arrogant dream was at the time
Andrei cant research at all
I’m really disappointed by this video. All your points are reasons as to why i’m disappointed. I may be biased, though, since I despise Dream.
At this point, all of dream's content could be rigged and there are some things to support that too. On his 5 hunter manhunt, dream conveniently spawned next to a village with several ravines and a mineshaft under it. Also there are clutches in literally every episode, which I don't find likely that he did. Dream is a cheating ass who only cares about views and fame.
I think Andrea said that to prevent himself from getting beaten up by dreams simps.
I’m gonna be honest and maybe attacked for this but I feel like Dream is really at fault. Not even just because, simply, he did end up cheating, but the way he handled this and other dramas and situations. What he constantly does is the instant he is attacked, send out some hateful message egging his army of stans on to attack. I was scrolling through the Twitter replies to dreams apology and one of the moderators who made the document was there and he said (I’m paraphrasing you can look yourself if you would like proof): How can you just apologize away months of being attacked on Twitter and sent literal death threats to me and my family. Now that is pretty fricked up that Dream could let his community go as far as to SEND DEATH THREATS TO THE OPPOSING SIDE. So to me, Dream is in the wrong because he was in fact cheating, mishandled his initial public reaction, and in doing so and victimizing himself, gave permission to his army of young, misguided kids to send death threats to some moderators who we can now prove did nothing wrong.
P.S. This is just my opinion, you are free to feel differently I am just stating mine in case people relate and feel the same way.
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It's very civil what you said,I'm with you're oppinion.
You mustn't use you're Fans as An "Army",just like Pokimane and her so called "simps".
@@MatessYT Exactly! If only Dream at least addressed the harmful side of his community! That might at least change something, like a little, “If you attack anyone on my behalf you are no fan of mine”.
it's as simple as "He cheated. He broke the rules." Honestly the people who attacked the other side are still denying that and it's almost funny ngl
Dream cannot control what his fans do
He is not a god. He's just a normal person
I wasn’t mad that he cheated, I was mad that he lied and knowing this let his fans go out and attack the people accusing him. I will never respect him
Thats....technically being mad
@@slicelol5223 read it again
@@yellya ok and ?
dreams defense is that he " *didnt* know"
@EjiroKirishimaa alright from my point of view atleast never respecting someone is being mad at you.
the funniest part about all of this is his fans deny that he cheated, but when he finally admitted to it his fans are like "It's just a game and??"
I’m sticking with Technoblade…
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Yeah i don't wanna be a STAN or a hater to dream, im just waiting for the drama to f*king stop. And until it does im sticking with the king of PvP, the pig that defeated a full netherite armored quakity with a netherite pickaxe and iron armor.
@@squirtlecipher8473 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
technoblade is cool but his fans are also weird, minecraft fans are just cringe in general
Yes, the day of reckoning is soon
I like Dream and I don’t like how he handled everything. he was more in the wrong for sure, but man I hate when people call anyone who watches him a stan and shit. It’s pretty annoying and I just like watching Minecraft TH-cam videos. I get that some of dreams fans are toxic and petty when they get proved wrong but don’t generalize. like damn, it’s like calling every German during World War II a nazi. Every time me liking Dream comes up people act like I only watch him and enjoy doxxing his haters in my freetime
Yeah man he needs a break in the internet people are getting harrasses thanks to stans
Even other content creators,fans,friends as well.
Lmao that sucks man but hey that's people for ya, two extremes in the internet one that despises and one that worships which sucks cause a lot of the toxicity that's happening could be resolved if the people were a bit more open-minded and have a good judge on what's right or wrong and the problem is many stans are young and immature (others are inexcusable) which develops into this shit-show of a community if not addressed/handled right.
I don't blame anybody except Dream who kinda helped worsen the addiction of many young minds but I am not sure if he's doing this deliberately or is just a good guy misunderstanding on how to handle fame and attention. Don't know the guy and I won't judge any further and will wait till something important happens that can change on how I look at Mr. Dream. (I watch Dream and is subscribed so no hate).
Found the stan
@@snakeperson5467 u truly are a bruh moment
I think the speedruning community was right to remove all of his previous records from their site. I know that he may have not cheated on his old speedruns but after the fiasco that happened we can't really be sure if he lies or not. If he didn't said that he didn't cheated, hired a "professor" to prove the maths of the speedruning wrong or even submitting the speedrun none of that would've happened.
in other sports, you would take away their medals too