I know you get the same views on gameplay vids that take much less effort but for people like me that are trying to actively improve these videos are invaluable. thank you so much!
I went to comment this. I ran into one of your streams and literally heard you talking about not wanting to do this. I think it’s one of the reasons I watch your videos and you. Your caring to help others improve, outside of your gameplay is really great.
this would be a little easier to watch if you didn't take away the card images so fast. Why remove the image while you're still talking about it and leave nothing in its place? Made the video harder to follow as someone who doesn't have all the card names and effects memorized. the tier list is much appreciated though, excellent resource which clearly took a ton of work
L comment, just learn the cards or pause a lot. Video would be twice as long if he was trying to make it watchable for people that only play like once a week
Chameleon is so broken, yesterday I was playing with a friend, he enabled overflow undead but never rolled a crasher, so his only real unit was an Abomination that was like 1800/1800. Then I told him to buy two chameleons and all of sudden he had three 1800/1800 units lol.
This patch kills early tempo comps, some of the old cards are so bad they desperately need buffs or just replacing with new cards. Self-dmg demon used to sustain u until u can transition to shop-eating (nevermind having to find 4 core minions for that). Zetsy and lava lurker acted the same until u can find Athissa. Early quillboars are almost useless until gem rat, even then if u can’t high roll into drakkari and hogrider u r dead. Elementals are almost a joke without violet ascendant or trade prince gallyxix tier 2 strat. I know highrolling into good tier 5/6 minions has always been a thing, but it used to be a win condition, not survival condition after turn 7, u either have a comp forced by then or prepare to eat 10-15 dmg per turn or sit around doing nothing if u tripled into trash
The thing about tour group that really makes it s-tier is the strength of the tribe buff cards (balladist, primordium etc) + brann which just buffs the crap out of tour group. Having it buff aswell is such a nice bonus especially with loc prince, which you could also fit in any comp
also interesting that picky eater is not a usual turn 1 pick, I guess because all the other tier 1 minions are pretty low statted atm, there's no 4/4 to eat for giga strength
Just a suggestion, when you are talking about the heroes, maybe put them on screen for a bit, because you sometimes don’t explain what they do, it makes it a little harder to follow for someone who doesn’t know every hero. Other than that, I luv the videos, keep up the great content!
I think you undervalued prime mate a bit, no? I used it as a filler in the early endgame a nuber of times (mainly with beetles/beast comp or with undead) endgame and you can just get an insane amount of value over a couple of turns - I understand you put it in c Tier, but it can be really good in some spots.
Thanks for the video! I wish you had used some other music like the lofi you normally use. The NCS music made it a bit hard for me to listen to you at times.
44:35 You say worst case with Rodeo Performer is tavern coin for -1 gold, but it's reasonably common to see 3 useless stat buff cards from Rodeo performer discovers and that is significantly worse. Not saying it's wrong to almost always buy it, but it can burn you
Nizhao is a decent cleave; you can only play it whenever you have large blood gems, or your teammate buffs them with their blood gems or something. For sure not F tier
The main issue is Niuzao is a Beast. You can't scale it using a Beast tribe because there's no piece that can scale a Niuzao. You can't fit Niuzao (and most of the cards, to be fair) into an other tribes, because they mostly scale only their specific tribe and no one else. Only alive Menagerie is Loc Prince - Hunter of Gatherers (where you can't fit Niuzao at all) and Theotar.
@@NightStarReal Everything you're saying is true, but Niuzao is still playable because it has that psuedo cleave effect. Absolutely not worth going out of your way to get or build around, but if you are in a position to transfer stats onto it then it works
I feel like the ratings are quite dependent on what is good in late game. For example, Meteorite Crasher might not be good compared to Ultraviolet Ascendant, but it's not supposed to be. Why are we comparing a Tier 3 Minior to a Tier 6 Minion? Meteorite Crasher is supposed to be an elemental, which you buy while you are on Tier 3, when you have a party elemental on board and ideally even an Elemental to sell. Meteorite Crasher is supposed to make you survive to the endgame, not carry you though it. Kind of like how Party elemental is really bad as a 3/2 on Tier 2, but you buy it anyways, because it allows for early- and mid-game scaling.
If you listen to his explanation, he evaluates how good a card is when you would normally buy it. He is completely correct on meteorite crasher in that you should rarely buy it unless the stars align. If you're playing early game elementals, your chances of winning the game are low. There's a lot of 3 drops you would take over meteorite craaher
24:20 I’ve only picked this card once but Beter is definitely correct. It won me the game by saving so much health early game. If I never rolled it or picked it up I would have lost the game fs but instead places 1st with Alex on 5 health
Amazing work Jeef! 😮 I need it a lot. ❤ Thanks! TBH lately i play BGs and found nothing fun. A lot of games heavy punished by not discover "that" card or highroll by opponent without chance to contest his board.
Hey Jeef, your content is great but please consider using less repetitive background music in your TH-cam videos (or no music at all). 😊 BTW, you're the only BG streamer that plays music on stream and I am able to watch because it's an okay music. Unfortunately can't say the same about your TH-cam videos though.
interesting that he thinks synthesizer is great (1/1 to whole board + 1/1 turn buff) but says that dunerider is trash because 1/1 to all elementals for the rest of the game doesn't affect much
I disagree with the demons standing here. They're incredibly strong and can scale up there with Murlocs and Dragons, and can also beat Mechs quite effectively.
I think nizaou is low c tier. I can imagine a scenario or two where buying it wouldn’t be terrible and maybe will be good tempo for a fight or two. Not good at all, but not in the self damage demon tier
Would appreciate if the music was a bit less loud, its the same song for 46 minutes so it kinda gets on the nerves. But otherwise really informative video
interesting to see the keyboard igniter hate, I feel like it buys tempo when you don't have a huge amount going for you as demons and have to buy demons to stay relevant. I get that soul rewinder demons are not good, but sometimes it's all you've got to get a unit with over 5 attack going
I agree with most picks, except that I rate all the Beetle enablers a bit lower ( and therefore Id also put Titus in A tier, generally do not like buying him if I am not locked in a direction yet, whereas I always buy Brann). But maybe I should actually try to learn how to place first with Beetles instead of ignoring it every game..
All minions can be payed, you just have to know the good spots. Sometimes Nizuao is a good tech card against Titus comps if you can boost it via the choose one demon, or the thaumas spells.
Well... On a first glance, I can rate this tierlist as F-tier. I don't know what are you earing in your supercharged meta, but my meta is dominated by different cards. In no world Prophet of the Boar is C-tier, it's one of the best minions in the game. Picky Eater and the demon package are not good, but not F-tier bad. Meanwhile the complete dog*t T6 minions are rated higher.
Well yeah, but he is talking about how to play the game optimally, meaning high ratings. Im at 13k rn and the list is pretty accurate. And you should stop buying Prophet of the Boar :Ddd.
End of the story: too many trash cards and too much difference with the S one. Also playing managerie is 95% of the times impossible. If you do not get a S card or cards who fit your composition early you are dead. Very sad
I know you get the same views on gameplay vids that take much less effort but for people like me that are trying to actively improve these videos are invaluable. thank you so much!
I went to comment this. I ran into one of your streams and literally heard you talking about not wanting to do this. I think it’s one of the reasons I watch your videos and you. Your caring to help others improve, outside of your gameplay is really great.
Was literally trying to find info like this earlier today. Thanks jeef.
F - fail
C - conditional
B - balanced
A -Almost Always
S - STOP EVERYING YOU'RE DOING AND PLAY THAT CARD!
This is amazing, nobody else does this-please PLEASE do one of these early on every season!
As someone who tries to force elementals whenever possible, this video has given me the strength to finally resist the Nomi temptation
What rank are you?
Same here , 3.5k
@@mr.v3061 I’m at 6k, but I instantly concede if I don’t like the hero options or tribes
@@DryFieri
I'm 6.5k and I pick basically every time Nomi and pretty much always win if it happens before turn 8
Could you make a hero tier list?
this
Tbf, a lot of the time it's fairly obvious who's the best of your 2-8 heroes
this would be a little easier to watch if you didn't take away the card images so fast. Why remove the image while you're still talking about it and leave nothing in its place? Made the video harder to follow as someone who doesn't have all the card names and effects memorized. the tier list is much appreciated though, excellent resource which clearly took a ton of work
If you don’t know the cards, tier list isn’t gonna help you anyways since you prob low elo for it to matter lmao
@@nvp9393or maybe they want to learn the game lol. isnt it the sole purpose of watching this type of content?
They are literally in order inside the tier list, so you can look at the portrait whenever you want
Bruh why can't you just remember the text for like 5 seconds while he talks about it?
The video is well-edited imo
L comment, just learn the cards or pause a lot. Video would be twice as long if he was trying to make it watchable for people that only play like once a week
Thanks for this bro, watch you three regularly 🙏🙏🙏
Chameleon is so broken, yesterday I was playing with a friend, he enabled overflow undead but never rolled a crasher, so his only real unit was an Abomination that was like 1800/1800. Then I told him to buy two chameleons and all of sudden he had three 1800/1800 units lol.
Thank you so much for the video!
Thank you for this amazing video. Keep up good work.
I buffed a Niuzao with blood gems in a lobby with no other cleave and it was sniping like crazy. D tier for that game alone
Would love to see your thoughts on the duos cards :)
This patch kills early tempo comps, some of the old cards are so bad they desperately need buffs or just replacing with new cards. Self-dmg demon used to sustain u until u can transition to shop-eating (nevermind having to find 4 core minions for that). Zetsy and lava lurker acted the same until u can find Athissa. Early quillboars are almost useless until gem rat, even then if u can’t high roll into drakkari and hogrider u r dead. Elementals are almost a joke without violet ascendant or trade prince gallyxix tier 2 strat. I know highrolling into good tier 5/6 minions has always been a thing, but it used to be a win condition, not survival condition after turn 7, u either have a comp forced by then or prepare to eat 10-15 dmg per turn or sit around doing nothing if u tripled into trash
Thanks for this, is really helpful.
nice list
The thing about tour group that really makes it s-tier is the strength of the tribe buff cards (balladist, primordium etc) + brann which just buffs the crap out of tour group. Having it buff aswell is such a nice bonus especially with loc prince, which you could also fit in any comp
Where is the sound?
also interesting that picky eater is not a usual turn 1 pick, I guess because all the other tier 1 minions are pretty low statted atm, there's no 4/4 to eat for giga strength
Just a suggestion, when you are talking about the heroes, maybe put them on screen for a bit, because you sometimes don’t explain what they do, it makes it a little harder to follow for someone who doesn’t know every hero. Other than that, I luv the videos, keep up the great content!
I think you undervalued prime mate a bit, no? I used it as a filler in the early endgame a nuber of times (mainly with beetles/beast comp or with undead) endgame and you can just get an insane amount of value over a couple of turns - I understand you put it in c Tier, but it can be really good in some spots.
Is this for solo or duo or both?
both
@@JeefHS then, you are missing the duo minion
I would love to see a tier list for removed minions, like which should be brought back and what should perish
Thanks for the video! I wish you had used some other music like the lofi you normally use. The NCS music made it a bit hard for me to listen to you at times.
Murk Eye's not gone?
Pro-gen-it-or.
Thanks for the tier list!
Since you asked in the vid: progenitor is pro (as the pro player) - gen (as in generation) - itor (as in visitor)
i wish this kind of tier list will be integrated with HS deck Tracker
Maybe you can ask the dev ?
44:35 You say worst case with Rodeo Performer is tavern coin for -1 gold, but it's reasonably common to see 3 useless stat buff cards from Rodeo performer discovers and that is significantly worse. Not saying it's wrong to almost always buy it, but it can burn you
thank you!
Jeef beat me in a lobby while I was watching this. Hope this doesn’t count as sniping 😂
Agreed with pretty much everything you said.
It’s pronounced runed pro-gin-a-tor. Think senator. Progenitor
Nizhao is a decent cleave; you can only play it whenever you have large blood gems, or your teammate buffs them with their blood gems or something. For sure not F tier
The main issue is Niuzao is a Beast. You can't scale it using a Beast tribe because there's no piece that can scale a Niuzao. You can't fit Niuzao (and most of the cards, to be fair) into an other tribes, because they mostly scale only their specific tribe and no one else. Only alive Menagerie is Loc Prince - Hunter of Gatherers (where you can't fit Niuzao at all) and Theotar.
@@NightStarReal Everything you're saying is true, but Niuzao is still playable because it has that psuedo cleave effect. Absolutely not worth going out of your way to get or build around, but if you are in a position to transfer stats onto it then it works
@@TheMirksta Yep, well said. Depends on which tribes are out and what options and space you have on the board, but it can be decent enough.
I feel like the ratings are quite dependent on what is good in late game. For example, Meteorite Crasher might not be good compared to Ultraviolet Ascendant, but it's not supposed to be. Why are we comparing a Tier 3 Minior to a Tier 6 Minion? Meteorite Crasher is supposed to be an elemental, which you buy while you are on Tier 3, when you have a party elemental on board and ideally even an Elemental to sell. Meteorite Crasher is supposed to make you survive to the endgame, not carry you though it. Kind of like how Party elemental is really bad as a 3/2 on Tier 2, but you buy it anyways, because it allows for early- and mid-game scaling.
If you listen to his explanation, he evaluates how good a card is when you would normally buy it. He is completely correct on meteorite crasher in that you should rarely buy it unless the stars align. If you're playing early game elementals, your chances of winning the game are low. There's a lot of 3 drops you would take over meteorite craaher
I don't think You get the idea
Ur stupid?
24:20 I’ve only picked this card once but Beter is definitely correct. It won me the game by saving so much health early game. If I never rolled it or picked it up I would have lost the game fs but instead places 1st with Alex on 5 health
Cozy video, thanks
I disagree with trailblazer, its best use is with boundless potential
I think I've only bought the Karmic Chameleon exactly once since it was added.
Amazing work Jeef! 😮 I need it a lot. ❤ Thanks!
TBH lately i play BGs and found nothing fun. A lot of games heavy punished by not discover "that" card or highroll by opponent without chance to contest his board.
Thanks jeef been needing this as a new ish player been playing a lot this season and im currently at 6,000 mmr but kind of struggling to push further.
“Neon Agent can’t be bad”. Sad noises as i stare at the 3 imposing percussionists i got at 4 health and no spot to cycle…
thanks bro that's literally exactly what I wanted to improve at this game
rel
no background music please, hella annoying ngl i'd rather listen to your voice raw pause
This is a crazy tierlist, three lil’ quilboars so low is criminal, it’s definately not that bad
“Thomatologist” 😮😂
Hey Jeef, your content is great but please consider using less repetitive background music in your TH-cam videos (or no music at all). 😊
BTW, you're the only BG streamer that plays music on stream and I am able to watch because it's an okay music. Unfortunately can't say the same about your TH-cam videos though.
interesting that he thinks synthesizer is great (1/1 to whole board + 1/1 turn buff) but says that dunerider is trash because 1/1 to all elementals for the rest of the game doesn't affect much
synth immediately buffs your board when you play it, dune buffs minions you may or may not buy in the distant future after you sell it
I disagree with the demons standing here. They're incredibly strong and can scale up there with Murlocs and Dragons, and can also beat Mechs quite effectively.
I think nizaou is low c tier. I can imagine a scenario or two where buying it wouldn’t be terrible and maybe will be good tempo for a fight or two. Not good at all, but not in the self damage demon tier
Would appreciate if the music was a bit less loud, its the same song for 46 minutes so it kinda gets on the nerves.
But otherwise really informative video
Please now make a trybe tierlist 😎 Nice list! You, beterBabbit and xqn are the Best!!!
The music sounds like early avicii demo's.
4/1 Meca must be above I think, early consistent boost is just too good
This is the teamup no on expected, and yet the one we most desired!!
interesting to see the keyboard igniter hate, I feel like it buys tempo when you don't have a huge amount going for you as demons and have to buy demons to stay relevant.
I get that soul rewinder demons are not good, but sometimes it's all you've got to get a unit with over 5 attack going
Niuzao is A Tier in quilboar comps
I agree with most picks, except that I rate all the Beetle enablers a bit lower ( and therefore Id also put Titus in A tier, generally do not like buying him if I am not locked in a direction yet, whereas I always buy Brann). But maybe I should actually try to learn how to place first with Beetles instead of ignoring it every game..
you need to get some youtube-music help because it's something that ruins the experience in video, it's never the right mood or genre
Crazy
Bravo
Deathrattle and battlecry should never be doubled. Blizzard should remove them
Freeze for S tier?!?!?
All minions can be payed, you just have to know the good spots. Sometimes Nizuao is a good tech card against Titus comps if you can boost it via the choose one demon, or the thaumas spells.
MsPlay Kappa
Another attempt to downplay Nomi's greatness to get rid of the competition
Well...
On a first glance, I can rate this tierlist as F-tier. I don't know what are you earing in your supercharged meta, but my meta is dominated by different cards. In no world Prophet of the Boar is C-tier, it's one of the best minions in the game. Picky Eater and the demon package are not good, but not F-tier bad. Meanwhile the complete dog*t T6 minions are rated higher.
Well yeah, but he is talking about how to play the game optimally, meaning high ratings. Im at 13k rn and the list is pretty accurate. And you should stop buying Prophet of the Boar :Ddd.
super
So I have to roll till i get every S tier minion got it!
Three Little Quills is basically my out for a top4 if I’ve gotten a little bit of gem scaling and nothing else.
12th
Nomi won me a lot of games. But he's good only when you triple into him in early game
lets just say that I'm getting destroyed ahahaha. I hope this help me
dude never put background music while talking. its annoying and distracting
Bro that is the least Asian haircut I've seen, anyway, BGs have a horrible minion pool right now so this video is unnecessary
First
End of the story: too many trash cards and too much difference with the S one. Also playing managerie is 95% of the times impossible. If you do not get a S card or cards who fit your composition early you are dead. Very sad