77 - The Secret to Making PERFECT Wooden Threads
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- The Secret to Making PERFECT Wooden Screw Threads
How cool is it to make your own All wood deep reach c-clamps? What about making your own Wooden Vise Screw? Or even giant scale nuts and bolts made out of all wood?
You can do that, and countless other projects with wooden threads, but if you have ever tried to cut them, you may have found out that the threads tend to tear out and the cutter shreds the wood while cutting.
I’ll show you the method that I use to get perfect wooden threads of any size. And I’ll be doing it in giant scale. The reason is to show you that it can be done if everything is properly prepped. Usually the bigger the thread, the worse the tear-out. And, that is because the threading tool, whether it be the tap or the die, must cut larger and deeper amounts at once.
There are jigs that can be made to do this but nothing works as good as a dedicated wood threading kit. I like the ones from Woodcraft, and Beall and Dieter Schmidt all equally well. The truth is, that the wood prep is the most important aspect. (of course your cutters must be sharp).
Check out the Deep Reach C-Clamps I made with all wood threads: • 15 - How to Make Deep ...
Here are some links to the various sizes that I use. Each link is a kit that includes both the tap and die. And that is all you need to make both the threaded rod, and the nut that fits it!
Things we used for this project:
Tools:
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Who makes the threading tool your using?
Dieter Schmidt. The only place that makes a 2-1/2" tool as far as I know.
@@KingsFineWoodworking thank you! Great videos.
Thank you Anthony! That's very kind.
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I didn’t see a source for the tap and die you used. Can you provide, I’ve done a little searching but got nowhere.
Man... It's realy nice to see father and daughter/son working together
I love the way you have your daughters involved and learning a skill. You should be proud.
In all my years of construction I've seen many fathers having their son or sons work with them and treat them just awful and pay them in like manor so it always pleases my heart to no end to see a dad working with his boys and or girls in such nice and loving manor as you seem to be with your two daughters. BRAVO to you DAD. Your skills at fine woodworking is also very, very good but I'm more impressed with the way you treat your daughters and they seem to love working with you and THAT is worth more then anything you could ever make in your shop with wood.
Dude, it is so cool that you make most or all your projects with your daughters and other family members... this is something you all can cherish and remember for the rest of your lives and it will be an incredible heritage you leave for them, and through TH-cam, for the rest of us. Great work all of you, keep the great family you have united and happy. Merry Christmas!
I love that you have your kid helping out
Between you and your girls, and Jimmy Diresta, I have all the woodworking entertainment I need. Best of TH-cam for sure!
It's really super that you are including and teaching your family in your woodworking!!
This country needs more family business
Love the video! It was extremely helpful, so thanks! Love seeing your girls helping you in your shop! Reminds me of when my kids helped me and we shared great quality time togher! Ahh the good old days!
Hi Don, Thank you! We really enjoy working together!
Man that is so good to see that thread on the wood I've just gone and bought my first one and a half inch threading tool not as perhaps as high-quality as the one your using but it's my first attempt so if it works well I'm gonna splash out and buy a larger kit. I think the second thing is it's brilliant to see your kids working in the workshop. I bought my kids up telling them if they can get their hands dirty they'll never be short of money, they can do whatever they want in their careers but first they gotta learn to get their hands dirty because if they careers end they can still do something and make money. We havent any idea what is happening and what the future will bring , jobs that used to last a lifetime and no longer there, so you've got to adapt, be versatile, never be afraid to get your hands dirty and be ready for change, good on you, brilliant video.
the secret is the knowledge and the right tools,
Sir, I am an beginner with (68 years) you are the best teacher for wood work I know. Everything look very easy, but for me I have a lot of problems to do it, but it is my health what make it more difficult . What I like that's your experience, I have great respect for that what you know, and can do.
Always a pleasure: Good sound, good light and good text.
Love these guys
Hi Marcelo. Thank you!
Brilliant, also.
This greatly added to my knowledge base of wood possibilities.
My family used to own Black Forest (Germany) made cabinets that were assembled with wood bolts and nuts (eat your heart out, IKEA) and as a child I often admired the technology. Now I have an understanding of what it took.
Nice gift for a retired mechanic. Also make a wrench for this bolt)🔧
loved this. Thank you!
Wow what a great video! I love how you make very clear to understand instructional shop videos.
I never thought you could make your own threaded items and has totally opened my eyes to so many possibilities.
I want to set up a great useable work bench like yours especially with t track and the holes for various applications makes it a very useable work table. Do you have a video on this? Or tips on layout of holes and t track?
Hi Paul. Thank you! I have a very detailed series of videos on how exactly to build the work table. th-cam.com/video/TFfE1xkhCis/w-d-xo.html
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watching bubbles leave wood and having a beer. Life is good :-) Keep up the good informative videos!
Very nice job. Congratulations.
This is a great video James, thanks. For making it and sharing all your knowledge you really are a Master at Woodworking IMO. And teaching your daughters some wonderfull knowledge
That forward-back-forward technique is how I learned it in metal shop, too. WAY too many years ago.
I have seen quite a few “hands on” engineer types break taps because they did not back it off. I witnessed one of ours break an M10 tap which is almost 1/2” that was impressive
I have entirely no use for these bolts but now you have inspired me to want to make some. Thanks James, this was a very impressive and thorough how to build.
Haha, That's how it always is!
I have this wooden bolt inside now just so that I can play with it while I watch tv!
Thank you my friend!
It would be a fun thing to leave on the coffee table and see if any guests comment on it.
That's what I was thinking. I need to think of something to build just so I have a reason to get some of these. Maybe a toy for a very big kid.
Excellent. Great video, so informative. Thank you for sharing.
Woao! Nice work. You have an incredible tools
That is so freaking awesome! would be a cool setup to use for table legs and could even make it an adjustable height table!
I'm going to have to do that! Thanks
My profession is a mechanical engineer and my hobby is wood working. So seeing this being made to ASME standard is so satisfying!! Keep up the great work as always!
Hi Jed, Thank you!
Wow so its really easy all you need is a woodshop and a load of quality machines and tools , I will just pop out now and pick them up its so easy thank very much.
Such a cool process, thanks for sharing.
So you're telling me Sprite is NOT a paid sponsor? Well, they should be. I havent craved one of those in years. 😉
Great videos! Subscribed.
Much to nice, to use it! More for an exhibition, what can be done with wood!
Hi Alfred. It does make a very fun toy.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
This is THE BEST wood threading video that I have seen!!!! Very well done.
I've found when tapping to use two wrenches across from each other it makes a t handle it work very well and keeps your tap straight
james jones, brilliant! Thank you!
@james jones only seen a tap with the tool to turn, never wrenches
It also sounds like this tool comes in handy for communicating with dolphins
I think you'll get better results using sea clams.
YourBuddyJoe LMBO
Aqua Peet Well done!
Greatest comment ever.
by the way, What is the name of that tool?
Perfect work !!! Very nice video !!!
I use a similar preparation of the wood (I 'm an antique pianos restorer..) when further detail shaping is to be done on it but I use e mixture of liquid paraffine, a few drops of oil based varnish and toluol, white spirit, polyurethane solvent, acetone, petrol or other water free solvents (every wood has its preferred cocktail). I preheat (100 C) the wood piece in the oven and the humid air expands and leaves under pressure. Then, the wood absorbs the thinned out paraffine much faster as it cools down when dipped. The heat exchange between wood and solvent, vaporises the last leaving a the lower viscosity, almost waxy, paraffine-varnish mix deeply embedded into the wood which fully stabilises after drying again in the oven (50-60 C max ! ).
A colleague uses a (near) vacuum chamber and an electric pump, instead of heat, to make use of the negative air pressure and another one (somewhat...unstable...) uses an armored air-tight metal chamber and...explosives to produce pressure hardened and almost water-proof wood panels while recycling his used engine oil !...
I still believe that the heat treatment is the best way to go as It saves time, kills any fungus, mold or mite of the wood, dries it to a more shape-stable status and prevents further shrinking or warping after process, hardens it and protects it from humidity, makes it more blade/chisel-friendly and leaves a fine satin surface which can be varnished (oil based only) or even painted ! It also darkens the natural color a bit and deeply defines the grain which may be desirable in most cases...
[Allow me a tiny terminology correction on the math: not the arc length (cycle circumference = 2π radius = 6.28.... r ) but the arc chord length is equal to the radius of the cycle. hexagonal circumference is exactly 6 radius lengths since a symmetrical hexagon can be divided into 6 triangles with all their sides even blah blah blah... ]
I am just starting to make wood threads by hand and this will def help. Thank you!
Great tip with the mineral oil - you basically turned dried wood into fresh cut (wet) wood again - which is much easier to chisel (or any cutting operation). I used to use glycerine to help prevent splintering and tearout when I bent wood over forms. I don't recall that it discolored the wood as much as the mineral oil seems to, but it's been 25+ years ago now.
Interesting! I wonder if glycerine penetrates as deeply with it's higher viscosity? I'll have to give that a try one day!
@@KingsFineWoodworking I was always using it for small laminations for experimental hobby aircraft (and other long broken toys) - and it seemed to penetrate at least deep enough to prevent the surface splintering. I like the mineral oil technique - and you're essentially replacing the air with mineral oil - much like stabilizing wood with resin in a vacuum chamber - only slower. I bet the vacuum process would work too. I really enjoy the videos - you are a great teacher and I'm definitely a fan of your work - both with the woodworking and the videos. The narration really helps - explaining why you do what you do. I was blown away about the calculations with glue and clamping force. Thanks again for sharing your work and expertise with us!
Thank you!
@@KingsFineWoodworking some sort of solvent might thin it
Well that video was totally NUTS.
Didn't even SCREW anything up.
Makes me want to BOLT out and try that. Lol
Hahaha!!!
RANDALLOLOGY. GOOD JOB. I JUST GOT MY DAILY LAUGH THANKS.
oh yeah that was surely a
fun.
James and family, I don't know how I missed this video of yours but I'm glad I found it. I was watching others make wooden screws and none of them came out looking like yours and I suspect it has to do with your dye. I tried to find the set you are using and it wasn't the same as the link above. Your threads came out crisper looking than those made on the set found in your link. They actual look like metal bolts except yours are beautiful and the maple you used was perfect knots and all! Thanks again King's!! ~Dolly
This was very interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing.
James. Always excited when I see a new video posted by you. NEVER disappointed. I have another source for these thread makers. Garret-Wade. Not quite as expensive.
Hi Clyde! Thanks! And thanks for the heads up for another source.
Thanks for the info, Clyde. Even with higher shipping costs, Garret-Wade still came in under Amazon. I ordered a 1" set just now.
Where did you find them?
Hi, thanks for the video! The threading tool used in the video is different than the tools in the links you provided. What brand is the cast threader you were using? Where might we get that product? Thanks!
Yes I need that tool too.
Note the large sizes are understandably quite spendy
That was fun to watch.
I really enjoy your videos and seeing you and your family work together. Great projects and very helpful information you share with us. Thank you!
"I should sleep early today"
*now i'm here at 3:30 AM*
You get better results laying out a hexagon if you draw a line through center and strike off the radius on each side of both places where line intersects with circle. That way eliminates any slop that usually gets picked up after interpreting the line of the circle within the pencil line it's drawn in and where the grain of the wood lets the point of the compass actually set. This may seem like nonsense but I bet if you actually walk a compass around a circle using it's radius as the spread, the 6th step will be noticeably off of step 0 when it's supposed to land on 0.
Yes it will be off because he wasn't right saying the radius is 6 times around the circumference. It's actually 6.284 so there will always be an extra bit!
@@paulfinnigan3562 for a circle but not a hexagon.
I'm extremely happy that I've lived long enough and so far am healthy enough to learn and actually use the techniques that craftsmen and women like you show and share with us "old guys"! Thanks!
I gave the tube oil soaking method a try and it's pure gold. Works perfectly. Thanks!
Consider pulling a vacuum on those oil soaking dowels. They'll be done in 15 minutes. You will need to make a stronger container. PVC pipe will probably suffice.
Vacuum and pressure works better. I worked for a company that treats wood. They pulled a vacuum in a closed cylinder containing the wood and fluid, then pressurized it. The cylinder was heated, too.
A vacuum pump is a lot harder to find and/or more expensive in the context of the home woodworker than a week worth of time.
@@JasperJanssen Amazon has vacuum pumps for around $50 (www.amazon.com/F2C-Single-Stage-Rotary-Conditioner-Refrigeration/dp/B01FXKO8EU/ref=asc_df_B01FXKO8EU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312064691975&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7999200745987328359&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030624&hvtargid=pla-569699011428&psc=1)
Well worth the cost verses a week of time... IMHO
I loved the video. Lots of great ideas. I noticed the tap and die used in the video aren't the same as the ones listed in the comments below the video. If I can ask, what brand are the ones used?
Regards,
David
thought the same thing..looks custom made to handle larger diameters
thought the same thing
The tap and die used in the clip are some high quality ones, you can find them on fine-tools.com, iirc. They will be worth it, but you’ll have to hand over a bunch of legal tender, my 2 1/2” set was ~1000 euros, some 8 years ago
I like your workmanship. Word work has always been my favorite. I am 91 so won't be doing any thing but I like to watch.
Nice to see father and daughters working as a team in something they love to do. Your talents are exceptional and i can see they love what they do, keep up the good work, i enjoy watching you work.
15:23 sounded like you were questioning your decision lol, great wood project...you selling these by chance?
Left out the wrench to turn the bolt? Could make wooden tools like screw drivers etc For novelty shop decoration.
Uh Oh! you just gave away my next project! it's a 5' wrench. There is a sneak preview of it on our facebook community page.
Oh man outstanding . I also can appreciate how with the kids you enjoy the shop spending time with each other . I missed that from my life . You are awesome .keep up the good work you and your minions 💪
Loved watching that. Thank you!
James, who makes the large 2.5” cutter?? Love your videos by the way..
Looks like the Dieter Schmid cutter head at www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html
Where can you buy it in the US
Mike Teifer you pretty much have to order it shipped from Germany. Chris Schwartz did an article on the cutters.
2:20 "Woodworkers don't really need anything more than an inch and a half"
In diameter.
You all are awesome. Love the family involvement. Nice Threads as well ;)
I really love your videos. I listen to your mathematical logic and find you extremely informative and entertaining. Thank you
If anybody sponsors him, could it be Sprite?
Who makes the thread cutter at 5:22 in the video? (It's different than the ones in the description.)
The sets linked in the 'Information' panel are only up to 1 1/2 inch diameter, whilst the one used in the video is 2 1/2 inch diameter and is from Dieter Schmid in Germany (www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html) . They are beautifully made tools, and joy to use (and own) but you need deep pockets - unless you can persuade someone else to fund the purchase (like your local club). Happy threading.
These ones look pretty similar. www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html He might not have listed the particular one he used because it looks like high quality ones for large diameters can get super expensive and the ones he listed look like more affordable options.
I would like to know the answer to this as well
@@kyvguinto Thank you very much, The link from Philip does not exist. What you found looks to be it !
I have seen a lot of people try to make threads. They all look bad. Which could be from a cheap cutter. Or the wood was not soaked. Even maybe a combination of both. I never heard of soaking the wood like that.
But it makes total sense. If all the pores are filled with oil not air. Then there should be no tear out.
Thank you again !
@@ericsnyder1647 no problem. Actually just tried the method last night and the threads came out perfectly! I used the threading kit from Woodcraft since it's a lot cheaper. I only soaked them one night though and I think they could've used another night for the oil to soak deeper but they came out great! Going to use them to make a traditional Scandinavian shoulder vise!
Brilliantly inspiring
Really enjoyed your calm and complete explanation of preparing the wood with oil. The Bolts could become a home decorator item. I am inspired to give it a try... Thanks
Now it just needs some split washers.
I almost made some washers.
Just what I see before me to. Awesome work! 👍
@@KingsFineWoodworking now we know how it's done on those old sail boats.. Nice Job!
I thought that was really neat Seeing air bubbles coming out of the wood like that .... I would also like to add that this is an amazing job Making wood threads . I really did enjoy watching this. Thank you Sir
James! That was magnificent. Loved it!!! Good job!
This video was great info re the oiling secret but.............you used a 2 1/2 inch dowel to thread yet only provided links for items up to 1 1/2 inch. How bout a link to the actual threading tools used in this video. I'd love to find an economical source for threading equipment that doesn't break the bank. Please please help us out with a link to the equipment used! tnx
I found it.. Get ready to shell out 1200 bucks. lol,.... or you could make an old shaker version for 2 or 3 bucks worth of materials and a full day in your shop or so.
What does that mean? If you found it could you tell us the name and what is the shaker version we can make in our shop?
@@sxgaston Google will help you find it. Personally I wouldn't bother. Waste of money.
Could you make a coffee table with screw on legs and support?
Haha! Two videos from now I will be releasing a bench build with bolts for legs! So, yes indeed! And you can also make the bolts as long as you like!
Nice, looking forward to watching those videos. By the way, your videos are excellent. You have a nice team.
@@KingsFineWoodworking seems like everyone is reading your mind, doesn't it?
Yes. It appears I cannot create a surprise video. haha
I am always amazed
I epoxy impregnate my parts before I thread so I plastisize the wood and let cure for a week. Now I can thread.
Rounding down Pi to 3 again, are we? Read "Going Postal" by Terry Pratchett to find out how it turned out the last time somebody did that...
Stopped watching right there. Pfft.
@@aculasabacca - Actually, the compass technique marks off the length of chords of the circle, not arcs. A simple proof shows that six identical equalateral triangles are defined, each having a base (the chord of the circle) equal to the radius. The outside of that group of trangles is a perfect hexagon. Pi (3.14159) is not involved in the geometric proof.
@@mikel.6505 Oh wow, thanks.
@@mikel.6505 I was watching an elderly gentleman from Australia making a wooden bucket and he used that method to get the dimension for the bottom. I had no idea what he was doing until I read your comment here. Now I need to think about all this. Thank you for explaining it.
The error is mostly eliminated by scribing 2 points each from 2 opposite points, at least as far as most wood is concerned.
That metal lathe has the ability to thread; why not just us that?
Thats how i thought this video was gonna go
That metal lathe can't cut threads with a pitch that big.
@@throngcleaver Yea, it can.
@@Suitednzooted11 No, it can't. The Grizzly G0752 maximum thread size is 8 TPI in Imperial threads, (0.125" or 1/8" between peaks on the threads) and 3.5mm Metric threads, which is approximately 0.138" between threads. The wooden threads he's cutting in the video are 2.5" - 2 TPI, and that means the threads are 1/2" apart, or 4 times larger than what the lathe can cut.
@@throngcleaverThat is what the spec sheet says on that model. All you would need is a different end gear though.
Excellent video sir, last time I did anything threaded was in high school, many moons ago. I was not aware of the soaking treatment, wish my wood shop teach had known back then or maybe it want in the budget. But I was thinking about making a work bench this weekend and I was thinking wooden clamps on the ends with the wooden threads would make for a fun bench vise. So I stumbled upon your channel again. Thanks again for sharing, we subbed you this time, thought I did last time. But its official, new subs here. Thanks again and have a blessed week.
Dale
Absolutely loved this video. Not only very informative, but just fascinating to watch. End results are amazing.
Economical? Lol. That was an expensive chunk of wood and those were some expensive machines/tools you used.
agree, there are much more cheaper ways of making these
@@PaulManwaring86 Like what ?
@@olivierfilhol3655 look for a router jig that can make this 10 times cheaper
Just a pleasure to watch.
Thanks.
Awesome work
Thanks for the show!
You have a cool family.
Wow! That's unreal! Amazing! Great video!
Very good work!
I like that your children participate, I believe anyone with manual skills has a heads up on whatever they pursue as an advocation. Great video, great narration looks like you’ve covered the whole gamut of making these nuts and bolts. I will use all your tips as I try this. Thank You for sharing. Greetings from Maine.
Always enjoy the videos. I’m in the process of setting up a workshop and really like seeing what tools and techniques y’all use. When I get into crunch time I’m sure I’ll post to the Facebook page asking questions and taking advice. Thank you for past, present, and future woodworking knowledge.
Thank you! And I'll see you on facebook!
Wonderful vid. Nice to see families doing things together. Trying to get my son interested in woodworking. Starting to teach to turn. We are also going to start a DVD cabinet soon..
Your attention to detail is commendable and you explain everything so well. I'm guessing you have a business involving other family members which is great as well. I would expect that everything you build would be at the highest level of craftsmanship that you can do. Thanks for sharing so many tips .
Very good James! The best wooden thread I've ever seen, regards to you and your daughters from Scotland!
Thank you!
Amazing, Very good
GREAT video! Thanks for sharing. Now you just need to build a couple big wrenches! LOL I also am glad to see I am not the only one who uses my metal lathe for wood projects. I can be so much more precise with the metal lathe than the wood lathe.
Functional and beautiful! Thank you for the great video!
Hi Charles. Thank you!
This has given me a GREAT idea for a lamp.
Amazing-I never realized how smooth one could cut wood threads...you are a real craftsman.
Hi Harry. Thank you!
right on, these are classic,.!!!!!! would make "great" gifts for family or friends. Thanks ,again.!!!!!
Well done!.Thank you.
You videos are top notch Sir........love the project, and oil soaking tip in those tubes. Glad I saved mine now.
Thank you!
Thank you.
I am always interested in Geometry and woodworking etc... I didn't know about the arc length and the radius. Thank you.
I see several woodworking channels make threaded bolts and nuts, but none have made a wrench. A nice wooden adjustable wrench would go nicely with this.
Pretty darn cool.