It's a common misconception that poeple rarely lived past their 30s. People often lived to old age, but since the infant mortality was high, it brought the average age down to 35. So in reality, if you lived past infancy, you could expect to live a long life well into old age.
@@dovebair Not really. Pregnancy, childbirth, war and related violence, and illness would kill many more, proportionally, than they do today. Still, plenty survived it. Women with children, just as well as soldiers, regularly lived until their old age.
It's not to say it was rare, but certainly more common than today. I think what people mean to say is that the statistics of mortality by today's standards was unacceptable. Imagine a mortality rate of 30% for adults at around the age of 35 in the United States. That percentage may sound small, but in today's world it's a rather large number. Particularly with modern medicine and policing that we have. It may be a little aggerated, but people did die before 65 in larger numbers than they to today, especially in developed countries. You expect these rates in third world and developing nations, not the west or modern capitalist societies.
Yep. When you consult medieval texts you can find references that the natural human lifespan (barring accidents, illness or violence) was regarded as 'three score and ten', that's to say 70 years. A significant proportion of the population reached around that age. It wasn't like everybody died in their thirties and old people didn't exist.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 70 years (three score & ten, a score being 20) is the THEORETICAL human lifespan according to Psalm 90. The Book of Psalms is in the Old Testament, & it contains no info on the actual human lifespan in the Middle Ages. 😀
@@kipkipper-lg9vla 12 year old is likely to have a difficult delivery. Margaret of Beaufort probably WAS affected by being forced to have sex at 11 and the delivery was so brutal she was not able to have more children.
If you are talking about Margaret Beaufort from the video, her age of 12 was EVEN THEN thought to be extremely young to be a mother, and the birth was so traumatic for her spirit and so extremely damaging for her inner organs, as she wasn´t fully developed yet, that she could never have children again. Even at that time, her husband (I think it was Jasper Tudor) was WIDELY criticized for having sex with a bride so young. Generally, when the age difference was so huge and the girl was just a child, she was sent to the house of her husband, or to his own family, to be brought up as another aristocratic child - for at least a few years, and THEN, only then, when she was "old enough", she was allowed to have sex with her husband. Margaret beaufort was an extreme even in the middle ages. However, child marriages were frequently practiced among nobility, and the kids would then be brought up together to get used to each other, and once they felt like it and they reached the appropriate age, they could have sex. Teenage marriages (when both the girl and boy were in their teens) were consummated IMMEDIATELY. Richard III (then Richard Plantagenet) married his wife Anne Neville when he was 19 and she was like 14 or 15. He already had at least two illegitimate children at that point, and Anne was supposed to tollerate them. Richard (with his older brother George) was sent away from his own family to the family of the Nevilles maybe only a year or two after his own father was killed at the battlefield. Richard Neville (aka Warrick the Kingmaker), father of Anne Neville, Richard´s future wife, was Richard´s cousin. Warrick the Kingmaker made this move because he needed strong warriors on his own side, as there was the War of Roses raging, and both Dickon (little Richard III - nobody called him in any other way than Dickon) and George were highly ambitious and brave (but George was also extremely spoiled by his own mother). The Plantagenets were also in a higher social position than the Nevilles, but the Nevilles were one of the richest people in the country. With their own army. So Warrick made the move and took the Plantagenet boys in because he slyly wanted to get them married to his own daughters, Anne and Isabel. And later on - although in very controversial ways - Isabel TRULY married George and Richard married Anne, just like Warrick had it planned. It´s just when the boys´ eldest brother Edward usurped the throne and became the new king, Warrick - who helped Edward to get on the throne - wanted some position at the court and didn´t get it. Warrick got pissed and basically declared open war on Edward. And his brothers, Richard and George, were then supposed to choose sides, whether they wanted to be on Warrick´s side or Edwards. When Richard saw what kinda person Warrick was, he chose Edward, and was unflinchingly loyal to him. However, George was a turncoat and he three times switched sides between Edward and Warrick. And his own brother the king was so pissed at his brother´s traitor actions that he had him executed. What I am saying is - being a peasant was very different and much easier than being a noble. Most of the aforementioned things in the video didn´t ring true or worked for them.
Re: teen pregnancy being encouraged and Margaret Beaufort. Margaret Beaufort's pregnancy was looked on askance by the people at the time, considering her *FAR* too young to be pregnant. While nobles might be married at a young age to cement alliances, usually the marriage was not consummated until they were much older. People were pretty horrified at Margaret's young age. She was never able to bear any more children after Henry.
@@kipkipper-lg9vljust look it up. Majority of queens married as teens, only had kids in their late teens to early twenties. If kings were horny they just slept with their mistresses
I seen a DanJones documentary saying it was considered too young even by their standards, but another history extra says it was legal at age 12 for girls and 14 boys. Maybe they considered the fact she conceived at 12, giving birth at 13 years and 7 months too young at the time
A lot of this is overstated and was spread out over centuries. Things make the news because they are out of the ordinary. For example there were times they were very clean and other times not depending on the perception of diseases at the time. Torture wasn't implemented as much as people think. You can't sum up entire historical periods that easily.
You have overlooked the fact that a 16 year old prince was only nominally in charge of an army. In reality, he would have one or two nobles, experienced in the art of war, to actually advise him. Teenage Japanese nobles were also expected to lead armies in this fashion, during the same period in history.
The harsher realities of life back then were probably a major factor. It’s not like today where you can hop on your phone and food will be delivered ready to eat in under 30 min. You could work hard all year and bad weather or disease could still wipe out your harvest leading to famine for not only your family but the local community as well.
lmao the thumbnail. like that kid is going "yeah, see this? i get to go home to THIS every night. bet you wish you got this" like that cafeteria scene from american dad
Didn’t the marrying very young thing mostly count for nobles and royalty, to forge alliances and friendships with other noble/ royal houses? I read somewhere that among the common people, the average age of marrying and having their first child was between 17-18 and early 20s. I even read an academic paper for uni last year that said that that was one of the reasons why Christianity first gained popularity mostly amongst women in Ancient Rome and the Roman Empire; marrying pubescent kids off to older men was custom in their own pagan religion, but within Christianity commoners could wait until were 18 or in their twenties, and they didn’t have to remarry if they became widows.
@@Nscorpion5248different beliefs and traditions persisted before Christianity 😂pagan is not even a religion but an umbrella term to distinguish beliefs that predated Christianity.
yes, I've also read books about ethnography and one thing they repeatedly mentioned was that women were considered children (and therefore untouchable) before their first menstruation, so even if married with parental or legal guardian consent for various reasons, they should be in general safe from this type of abuse. Also the average age of first menstruation was quite high in common population (probably lower in nobility, though), because of malnutrition and hard work. Unfortunately the only number I know is the average of 17 years by the end of 19th century in Central Europe, but it was said it was at that time getting down (so supposedly it was even higher in previous centuries) due to the overall improvement and development in society during the second half of 19th century.
Hi! I have a video request, kinda? I was cleaning my house while listening to your stuff and I found myself wondering how the average person's house would have been different, and how cleaning that house would have been different. Like.... There would be a lot less trash because food didn't come in packaging, but where did they put food scraps? Did people in towns just throw onion tops and other scraps out the window? What kind of soap did they use for washing dishes? Did they even bother using soap or did they just rinse them? Did they bother making their beds? I know they put rushes on the floor so there wouldn't be any sweeping or mopping, but the once a year they did clean them, how thorough was that cleaning? I know that a lot of this wouldn't be written about because it was considered womens' work, but if you have any sources I found myself curious and wanted you to know that if you have that video idea on the back burner, some of us are genuinely curious. :)
Try the The Time Traveller’s Guide to Medieval Times by Ian Mortimer. He throws in a ton of trivial details about life and what living conditions were like.
Scraps, if there were any, would have gone to the hens or pigs. No fear of germs so wooden bowls would have been wiped out with a crust. The nobs are out of trenchers which were thick slices of bread. These were often given to the poor. Rushes were strewn on the floor to absorb spills and swept out and replaced periodically
They made their own soap out of ash and lye. Farm animals got the food scraps. Who throws out onion tops, they are edible. Rushes got replaced,in places that used them, not everyone did. So yeah they swept and mopped also.
Swords were not a common weapon for most men. Swords were very expensive and only the rich and nobles had swords. Spears and cudgels and bows with arrows were more common.
this goes for the early middle ages( and the periods before those I suppose). By the 15th century swords and even forms of plate armour were pretty common.
Margaret Beaufort's early pregnancy really screwed her ability to have other children. When they married young it eas usual to put off consummation until their mid teens.
I have often thought about those dark times in the past, with wars, plagues, starvation and hard labour, and realized we are the descendants of those who SURVIVED it all.
@@yoursoulessmate Sorry, btw please also do a Thanksgiving video in ancient Mesopotamia….and Halloween during the Roman empire! Oh, and if you have time, Easter before the birth of Christ!
huh. I've known many women who would chew the food for their growing babies and then feed them. But this was ONLY done between mother and babe- not strangers or nannies.
Yep, some Mid Eastern and Central African nations are still violent and loving it. Mean while the US loves playing war games with Russia and China. To name a few. 😁
@@jacobhawkins3828no we haven’t. The torture is only done by governments now. Prisoners are still taken. Children are still married off in some pockets in America, legally surprisingly. Nothing has really changed? Other than the fact the we are royalty effing up earth and our futures. But hey at least we can eradicate the plague.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the comforts of modern life - after all, it's taken thousands of years of engineering our environment and circumstances to cultivate this. Human ingenuity is the reason we no longer need to survive under such poor conditions. We've fought to conquer numerous challenges nature has thrown at us, and hence we now face newer, different challenges. And I'm sure we'll continue that path of perseverance and progress, even if it isn't necessarily a linear journey. @GunnerRDS
That whole first clip "a mean streak" describes today perfectly. All of us have a mean streak, and I do mean ALL of us, myself included, and you too. Most of us control it although some don't and some just can't. We are by our very biology suspicious of strangers, easily angered, and prone to violence once our emotions are aroused (not sexual arousal but that can happen, too). Sure, some of us are peaceful but I speak in general of Humanity at large. We also want our criminals to suffer as horrifically as possible, which is actually kind of inhumane but it's our nature to do that. Do I think criminals should get a pass? Not in the least but that's a discussion for a different day. The second clip only goes to show that we like the same sort of crass, demeaning "jokes" today just as heartily as we did back then, too. Face it, the only reason we love FailArmy is because it shows people hurting themselves then the videos posted here on TH-cam for our entertainment as they nurse their injures despite the disclaimer "no one was harmed", which is usually a lie. LOL Hehe, so true fact, women in some societies here today around the world still pre-chew their infant's food, usually in what the rest of us consider more primitive societies. I won't delve into the whole breastfeeding issue because, while I do have breasts, I wasn't able to have children and don't feel qualified to speak on that subject. 😁
I’m just going to put it out there. I have 2 kids, one is 17 and was super easygoing from day one. The other just turned 5 and is a redhead with a fiery attitude and still won’t sleep in her own bed, etc. The idea of hiring a wet nurse and four rockers and providing the kid with their own residence sounds like a fucking fabulous way to child-rear right about now. 😂
Ew. Poor little girl. Hope to god you aren't one of those horrid parents who clearly prefer their sons...you know- the "boy moms". Its very obvious, even to a small child, when their sibling(s) is/are preferred over them. Its a set up- a self fulfilling prophecy enacted on children by their own selfish parents.
I love making a joke and getting jumped on and mom shamed by randos on the internet, super fun! First of all, both of my children are daughters, so there is no favoritism of a son. Secondly, we are in family therapy for the younger girl, trying to find solutions to our family’s problems that might actually work for our family. But hey, feel free to judge me for my dark sense of humor if it makes you feel better 😂
@@tiffanysjustcoloring You might want to look for signs of overstimulation, autism, ADHD, SPD ( sensory processing disorder ). These can impact a childs life immensely. "Difficult" children often aren't difficult, they just have different needs that are not met by their parents, because the parents are neurotypical and unaware of them. I would recommend to go to a specialist for autism and ADHD to get the child evaluated. Normal family therapists often aren't equipped for this. If your child is neurodivergent, don't ever shame her for it. Please look at channels and information from other nd people.
@@yp77738yp77739 Wrong. Has been debunked for decades. If you hit your child it actually increases the risk of anxiety and depression. Sone also show decreased affective empathy,which also means it's harder to co-regulate on others and feel what's going on with someone else. This can make it harder to feel connected to friends and family. It also shows up in brain scans. It's well researched.
A lot of this can be boiled down to two points you made #1. People didnt live that long. They married/had kids "early" because theyd probably be dead 10 years later. #2. They were accustomed to violence from every angle, beatings, and sick humour is understandable when worse shit happens down the path from you every week
Reminds me of the monty python's "That must be the king" joke It's not unfathomable that exchange might have happened more than once in medieval times.
I worked with a man from Tanzania. He described cruelty to me which unfortunately made a little bit of sense after he described the way his people worked back home. He said that he lived in what he called a "compound". That his villagers took pride residing close to the Maasai people. I worked with this man this year as a psw by his side and he is a VERY loving and kind man and great at his work...YET! Back home....he described back home. He described the lawlessness. How his village was beautiful, and he and his village were close with the Maasai. How they would take busses to work to the city and how life was pretty much like ours in some senses....until the gangs entered town. Once they entered town, everyone is on edge. HE tried to explain to me how when these gangs entered, they were so far from any cities that there was no help, so the villagers were forced to protect themselves. He is a Christian man of faith and who loves life and god, but he said in his area it could get so bad, that you could be by a bus stop and someone who just hold a gun to your head. Ask for everything you had. You are dumb not to give it..but it's different when they enter your home. They would enter his peoples home and demand sex of their wives and children, much like the Vikings ( these are gang people). They'd do what they came to do, take everything you had and your belongings.....SO! Story goes! His people got so fed up because the police were not responding, they created their own police for their own village....the caught the fuckers. What they did is very disturbing though. They gathered old tires from a local shop. They piled them high. Placed the young criminals into them...and burned them alive as in hopes it would scare the others away, they still kept coming in. I asked why did he do it? He looked me dead in the eyes with no remorse " We had no other choice". He explained how it's a larger group than themselves and they keep coming in droves.....we don't understand the things we see written down in books as punishment in medieval times, but at the same time....think of having your daughters raped all in one night and everything you ever worked so hard to build taken from you? I'm not standing for this type of punishment,bbut it really paints the resilience of mankind.
@@kipkipper-lg9vlmaybe because raising children back then wasnt about care or concern, but rather about asserting dominace and control. Parents back then were more like military coporals
@@hotcheetosqueen5841 that's just a massive over generalisation of thens of millions of people over hundreds of years and countless cultures different culture but they are fairly normal, if hunter gather tribes that exist today are not some savages then I think it's unlikely a couple hundred years ago things where that different
That whole 30s been seen as middle aged thing isn’t loads different to today. Today it’s still thought that your youth ends at 30 and when your in your 40s then your middle aged abs life expectancy in general is around 80s or so. Back in the medieval times people died in their 50s and 60s so 30s back then would have been similar to 40s today. Also that 15 year olds joining the military, now I know you can’t go to war until your 18 but you can still join the military at 16.
Well, yes, Margaret Beaufort was a mother at 13, but you didn´t mention that this was even in the 15th century, looked at, as it was not the norm. Kids or young teenagers were getting married but were not allowed to have sex until they got of consentious age. This is why so many people have misconceptions of the medieval era, when so many things are not told and are just outright false
It amazes me that while Europe had gone through the bronze age & the iron age etc. the indigenous Australians were so isolated as to still use stones, shells & wood for their hunting weapons, general tools & defences.
Ya know, I wonder if the reason why so many women died in pregnancy is because they had a lot more kids than today on average. I mean, if the chance of dying during childbirth is 10% hypothetically 1 kid isent likely gunna kill you, but if you have 8-12 then thats a 10% chance to die every time which your just playing with death at that point.
During medieval times, children displayed greater maturity, partly due to the high mortality rate and the experience gained from staying in other families’ homes. This exposure fostered a deeper appreciation for the world and instilled values at an early age, showcasing both parental influence and maturity. In contrast, contemporary parents often hesitate to let their children venture even across the street, contributing to a noticeable sophistication in today’s youth. This trend appears to be escalating with each passing generation. As always, very good video lad and keep it going.
The second part of this video is BS. Whilst some royals were berothed at very young ages, the reality was that most women married in their early 20's and men in their late 20's, after they finished being a journeyman and could support a family. If the average age of menarche was 17, why would you marry off your daughter if she couldn't even bear children?? Of course there were outliers, which tend to stick in people's memories, but we have outliers even these days too. Most adults lived to their late 50's and 60's, and in the records I regularly see people living to their 70's or 80's. Yes, infant mortality was high, and women dying of childbed fever was common too, but I also see women who have 12 kids and live to the age of 91, so it's all relative. You used Margaret of Beaufort as an example and it's actually a very good one-as an outlier. She was the wealthiest girl in britain, and as such had a fantastic diet and good health. She probably got pregnant just after or around her first period/s and it shows, because it harmed her body so much to be pregnant and give birth that she almost died and was rendered sterile and unable to even have s3x for the rest of her life (probably a class III prolapsed uterus with possible hip/pelvic floor damage that gave her a slight limp). Medieval people weren't stupid, they knew children shouldn't have children, and people mistake "betrothal" for "consumated marriage". The norm for most was after the age of majority-which was 21 for women and men from the early dark ages.
I agree except many royals were betrothed a young ages as political pawns like Margaret of Beaufort' granddaughter Margaret or Elisabeth of Valois. Then other royals like Mary Tudor, Mar's nice MaryTudor, and Elisabeth were betrothed at a young age for political alliances but when it didn't work there was no rush for them to be married before 17. Mary Tudor wasmarried some 17 to the king of France, she married Charles Brandon after the king died nd was around 20. Mary and Elizabeth were ignited as political but Mary wasn't married off in a rush even when she was 16/ still legitimate although th great matter started when she was 13-14. Jane wasn't forced to be married before 14 she was used a as a political pawn
I finally understand where conservatives are coming from when they complain about modern society being too soft! They would love to live in medieval Europe!
During the Middle Ages in England, life expectancy at birth was relatively low. According to historical records, life expectancy at birth for boys born to landowning families was approximately 31.3 years. during the black plague people behaved insane trying to hurry to live out what was left of their lives before they died. trick or treat
@@Window4503yes but atleast we actually realize how horrible this was stuff is now, the fact that this was meant to be a shocking video is enough to say we moved past this atleast a little
A misconception here is the young marrying age back then. Getting married at 12-14 was really only done amongst the upper class and just because they were married that young doesn’t mean the marriage was consummated immediately. Often these couples would wait til they were 18 to their early 20s. The young marrying age was because for the elites marriage was more about forming family alliances than anything else. The lower class was still typically getting married at 18-22. Still early by most western standards but in no way was child marriage overly common across the board.
I think that at some point we will come to the realization (hopefully not too late) that so many women today waiting until their 30's to have children will lead to the demise of our civilization.
There is a lot of distortion here. Firstly, many of the pictures are from times that were post medieval. Books are quoted that only support the narrative intent but other books at the time recommended gentler chastisement of children. E.g One narrative sbout Saint Anselm explained that if you beat children like animals, they are going to grow up to act like animals. Children cannot be tamed like animals. Instead, children should be nurtured like a gardener would a tree. Furthermore, by continuously terrifying children with threats of harm and actually hitting them, children stop seeing any good in the world and become hateful. They only grow more hateful as adults. Punishment for crimes could be cruel but not always! Court documents and biographies etc demonstrate imprisonment and fines were often the punishment for even more serious crimes. A lot of crimes were punished by persons who held a form of local authority over said punishment so some such authority figures were relatively lenient whilst others were not. Definitely though cruel punishments occurred but ti suggest they always were inflicted is not true. Bear baiting did not end until the 19th century, cock fighting too. So not just a Medieval cruelty. The comments about early marriage being the norm are entirely spurious! Poor people married much later than rich ones often in their twenties as poor people couldn't afford marriage until later and due to dietary matters and no chemicals in the environment faking female hormones (unlike today) girls often did not start their periods until years later than they do now, so since the church taught marriage was for procreation there's not much point in doing it until you actually can procreate. The wealthy sometimes married very young but often nit until late teens or very early twenties and even when they did marry very young this doesn't mean they consummated that young. Such marriages were arranged. Lands were joined, businesses united. The married couple usually did not consummate until the couple were more physically mature. Some of these earky marriages ended unconsummated on occasions where one of the spouses died. When there was consummation it was often frowned upon. One of the Popes gave an English King a proper tongue lashing for nearly killing his Queen because he got her pregnant when she was only about 13. Richer women did sometimes get their periods earlier than poorer ones but it was not deemed acceptable to impregnate someone with such an immature body. People will say, what about Shakespeare? All his talk in his plays of very young brides? Especially Romeo and Juliet? Well Shakespeare was your typical Tudor English man who loved nothing better than criticising foreigners in his plays. Romeo and Juliet was written when he was the father of a teenage daughter Juliette's age. Neither of his daughters married in their teens. The play is meant to show Juliet and Romeo as selfish and undisciplined. And the foreign ways of them and their families as inferior to those of England. Even the excessive length of their swords is critiqued. In England at the time if a man's sword was over a certain length he would be fined and the sword shortened. Shakespeare was post medieval but his and his contemporaries attitude to very young marriages predates the Tudor era.
Also, long-term imprisonment was not a feasible solution for crime as it is extremely expensive for the impoverished communities in the middle ages. Police work was also not nearly as advanced as it is in modern society, so the vast majority of crimes went unpunished. As a result, when criminals were caught, their punishments would skew very harsh as a way of trying to deter crime.
Babies were painted to look like Jesus because they believed Jesus was never a baby, but was fully formed from the beginning. That's why them babies look ugly as hell.
@@davidcox3076 Yoohoo! My helmet has horns! I totally gotta buy one of those when I have enough saved, that and a terminator 3, and a lord of the rings, and funhouse, and a cue ball wizard, and a monster bash, and a Williams high speed, dang i wish i had enough money for all of those
And children were considered to be adults and ready for marriage, serving in the army, and working, because people died a lot earlier than we do now. Life span was probably in the fifties.
The lifespan of most people back then were in their 30s or 40s,but most women died earlier than that,often dying in their 20s or younger in childbirth.
I’m So Grateful to God that I live in this era bc people back then were Absolutely HORRIBLE! Especially to the poor animals- And with how they raised their children, I Cannot Understand how Anyone survived those times- Anyways, Great and Interesting (yet disturbing) Video!
Life is still hard for many because society is never gonna be a good society especially with women but life did really really improve though wich I’m more that happy about
Makes sense why the morality rate was so low back then. Miasma was still a common belief iirc, so people didn't get that certain things(like chewing the food for the baby) wasn't a good thing. Edit: I didn't realize I put low, I meant high.
@charissachubb5758 dw, I tend to mix up words a lot when typing and/or not realize autocorrect made a word completely different, so getting a little point out helps!
Damn, humanity has grown soft and weepy. These days we have people who are convinced that sticks and stones are not needed; that words alone can hurt them in the form of so-called "micro-aggressions"-people with lives so easy that they go out of their way to be offended on behalf of others.
Sorry to be a nit picky nerd, but y’all got a bit lazy with some of the pictures - as in, some of them are from periods of history that occurred hundreds of years removed from the subject matter. A history channel should take pride in its attempt at accuracy, yeah?
I don’t like how thumbnail baby is looking at me.
Looks like a little Peyton manning
😂😂😂
His face is definitely giving- I've been weaned for a while now, but.. 😈
Definitely the look of a baby you don't want to see in a dark corner.
My exact thoughts 😂
It's a common misconception that poeple rarely lived past their 30s. People often lived to old age, but since the infant mortality was high, it brought the average age down to 35. So in reality, if you lived past infancy, you could expect to live a long life well into old age.
True of any able to avoid pregnancy
@@dovebair Not really. Pregnancy, childbirth, war and related violence, and illness would kill many more, proportionally, than they do today. Still, plenty survived it. Women with children, just as well as soldiers, regularly lived until their old age.
It's not to say it was rare, but certainly more common than today. I think what people mean to say is that the statistics of mortality by today's standards was unacceptable.
Imagine a mortality rate of 30% for adults at around the age of 35 in the United States. That percentage may sound small, but in today's world it's a rather large number. Particularly with modern medicine and policing that we have. It may be a little aggerated, but people did die before 65 in larger numbers than they to today, especially in developed countries.
You expect these rates in third world and developing nations, not the west or modern capitalist societies.
Yep. When you consult medieval texts you can find references that the natural human lifespan (barring accidents, illness or violence) was regarded as 'three score and ten', that's to say 70 years. A significant proportion of the population reached around that age. It wasn't like everybody died in their thirties and old people didn't exist.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 70 years (three score & ten, a score being 20) is the THEORETICAL human lifespan according to Psalm 90. The Book of Psalms is in the Old Testament, & it contains no info on the actual human lifespan in the Middle Ages. 😀
No wonder why giving birth was so traumatic and often fatal back then, as it seems mother's were often children themselves.
And not to mention lack of hygiene and knowledge about human bodies...
children by your modern standards, was fairly normal
women tended to die because of lack of medical care not really age
@@kipkipper-lg9vla 12 year old is likely to have a difficult delivery. Margaret of Beaufort probably WAS affected by being forced to have sex at 11 and the delivery was so brutal she was not able to have more children.
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Filth. I don’t like hearing it.
If you are talking about Margaret Beaufort from the video, her age of 12 was EVEN THEN thought to be extremely young to be a mother, and the birth was so traumatic for her spirit and so extremely damaging for her inner organs, as she wasn´t fully developed yet, that she could never have children again. Even at that time, her husband (I think it was Jasper Tudor) was WIDELY criticized for having sex with a bride so young. Generally, when the age difference was so huge and the girl was just a child, she was sent to the house of her husband, or to his own family, to be brought up as another aristocratic child - for at least a few years, and THEN, only then, when she was "old enough", she was allowed to have sex with her husband. Margaret beaufort was an extreme even in the middle ages.
However, child marriages were frequently practiced among nobility, and the kids would then be brought up together to get used to each other, and once they felt like it and they reached the appropriate age, they could have sex. Teenage marriages (when both the girl and boy were in their teens) were consummated IMMEDIATELY. Richard III (then Richard Plantagenet) married his wife Anne Neville when he was 19 and she was like 14 or 15. He already had at least two illegitimate children at that point, and Anne was supposed to tollerate them. Richard (with his older brother George) was sent away from his own family to the family of the Nevilles maybe only a year or two after his own father was killed at the battlefield. Richard Neville (aka Warrick the Kingmaker), father of Anne Neville, Richard´s future wife, was Richard´s cousin. Warrick the Kingmaker made this move because he needed strong warriors on his own side, as there was the War of Roses raging, and both Dickon (little Richard III - nobody called him in any other way than Dickon) and George were highly ambitious and brave (but George was also extremely spoiled by his own mother). The Plantagenets were also in a higher social position than the Nevilles, but the Nevilles were one of the richest people in the country. With their own army. So Warrick made the move and took the Plantagenet boys in because he slyly wanted to get them married to his own daughters, Anne and Isabel. And later on - although in very controversial ways - Isabel TRULY married George and Richard married Anne, just like Warrick had it planned. It´s just when the boys´ eldest brother Edward usurped the throne and became the new king, Warrick - who helped Edward to get on the throne - wanted some position at the court and didn´t get it. Warrick got pissed and basically declared open war on Edward. And his brothers, Richard and George, were then supposed to choose sides, whether they wanted to be on Warrick´s side or Edwards. When Richard saw what kinda person Warrick was, he chose Edward, and was unflinchingly loyal to him. However, George was a turncoat and he three times switched sides between Edward and Warrick. And his own brother the king was so pissed at his brother´s traitor actions that he had him executed.
What I am saying is - being a peasant was very different and much easier than being a noble. Most of the aforementioned things in the video didn´t ring true or worked for them.
Re: teen pregnancy being encouraged and Margaret Beaufort.
Margaret Beaufort's pregnancy was looked on askance by the people at the time, considering her *FAR* too young to be pregnant. While nobles might be married at a young age to cement alliances, usually the marriage was not consummated until they were much older. People were pretty horrified at Margaret's young age. She was never able to bear any more children after Henry.
Were you there?
@@guymann4016 lol
source?
@@kipkipper-lg9vljust look it up. Majority of queens married as teens, only had kids in their late teens to early twenties. If kings were horny they just slept with their mistresses
I seen a DanJones documentary saying it was considered too young even by their standards, but another history extra says it was legal at age 12 for girls and 14 boys. Maybe they considered the fact she conceived at 12, giving birth at 13 years and 7 months too young at the time
It's amazing how humanity survived the medieval times
The human brain can adapt to a lot of shit
A lot of this is overstated and was spread out over centuries. Things make the news because they are out of the ordinary. For example there were times they were very clean and other times not depending on the perception of diseases at the time. Torture wasn't implemented as much as people think. You can't sum up entire historical periods that easily.
We're in a new one rather. Certainly the disgust of boom of industrial times 😢
It's amazing we survived the 1900's!
eastern societies:
You have overlooked the fact that a 16 year old prince was only nominally in charge of an army. In reality, he would have one or two nobles, experienced in the art of war, to actually advise him. Teenage Japanese nobles were also expected to lead armies in this fashion, during the same period in history.
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Don't die as a disbeliever
these videos are really poorly created!
It's 2023 and some folks in London still carry knives and swords for self defence.
Americans use rifles soooooo. I think a knife is slightly more sporting.
@@sharp1162 No one is caring around a _freaking rifle_ here in the US...
...more likely a pistol or revolver. 😉
Glasgow, too.
LOL
It's more offensive these days, and they aren't English
And some people think video games cause kids to be violent. What was their excuse in medieval times?
Hangman game
@@robertcreighton4635makes sense
cockfighting?
The harsher realities of life back then were probably a major factor. It’s not like today where you can hop on your phone and food will be delivered ready to eat in under 30 min.
You could work hard all year and bad weather or disease could still wipe out your harvest leading to famine for not only your family but the local community as well.
Cockbaiting!
lmao the thumbnail. like that kid is going "yeah, see this? i get to go home to THIS every night. bet you wish you got this" like that cafeteria scene from american dad
All humans are born as Muslims
Honestly, the medieval sense of humor doesn't sound very different from the content and even behavior you see on 4chan.
Humans were always the same 😅
There is a 3750 years old customer complaint from Mesopotamia about the wrong shade of copper. 😂
@@danika9411 lmao, it's like an ancient online argument
@@AltairEgo1 😂😂😂
We are not as evolved as we think we are!
Humans since the dawn of our time can be divided into two groups - those who find farts funny and those who do not.
Didn’t the marrying very young thing mostly count for nobles and royalty, to forge alliances and friendships with other noble/ royal houses? I read somewhere that among the common people, the average age of marrying and having their first child was between 17-18 and early 20s. I even read an academic paper for uni last year that said that that was one of the reasons why Christianity first gained popularity mostly amongst women in Ancient Rome and the Roman Empire; marrying pubescent kids off to older men was custom in their own pagan religion, but within Christianity commoners could wait until were 18 or in their twenties, and they didn’t have to remarry if they became widows.
Yeah turns out the more you study history the more you learn that actually every thing we consider good came from Christianity.
@@Nscorpion5248and that no matter what time in history the elites and Uber rich are degenerate scum, for the most part.
@@Nscorpion5248different beliefs and traditions persisted before Christianity 😂pagan is not even a religion but an umbrella term to distinguish beliefs that predated Christianity.
@@angelbabe133
Pagans were savages. There is no god. They were both wrong.
yes, I've also read books about ethnography and one thing they repeatedly mentioned was that women were considered children (and therefore untouchable) before their first menstruation, so even if married with parental or legal guardian consent for various reasons, they should be in general safe from this type of abuse. Also the average age of first menstruation was quite high in common population (probably lower in nobility, though), because of malnutrition and hard work. Unfortunately the only number I know is the average of 17 years by the end of 19th century in Central Europe, but it was said it was at that time getting down (so supposedly it was even higher in previous centuries) due to the overall improvement and development in society during the second half of 19th century.
Another great video. Do you have one with the opposite topic?
Things considered inappropriate in the middle ages that we accept or even endores today?
The medieval community would not approve of wearing their bedclothes to market 😊
Going to the renaissance festival= witch!
1. Women lol
@@asha4736unfortunately
F***ing tattoos, even on women - they would have gasped in horror, I'm sure! I still do...
Hi! I have a video request, kinda? I was cleaning my house while listening to your stuff and I found myself wondering how the average person's house would have been different, and how cleaning that house would have been different. Like.... There would be a lot less trash because food didn't come in packaging, but where did they put food scraps? Did people in towns just throw onion tops and other scraps out the window? What kind of soap did they use for washing dishes? Did they even bother using soap or did they just rinse them? Did they bother making their beds? I know they put rushes on the floor so there wouldn't be any sweeping or mopping, but the once a year they did clean them, how thorough was that cleaning? I know that a lot of this wouldn't be written about because it was considered womens' work, but if you have any sources I found myself curious and wanted you to know that if you have that video idea on the back burner, some of us are genuinely curious. :)
This is the kind of thing I wonder about 😅
Try the The Time Traveller’s Guide to Medieval Times by Ian Mortimer. He throws in a ton of trivial details about life and what living conditions were like.
@@mintybadger6905 Omg, thank you, it's going on the list!!
Scraps, if there were any, would have gone to the hens or pigs. No fear of germs so wooden bowls would have been wiped out with a crust. The nobs are out of trenchers which were thick slices of bread. These were often given to the poor. Rushes were strewn on the floor to absorb spills and swept out and replaced periodically
They made their own soap out of ash and lye. Farm animals got the food scraps.
Who throws out onion tops, they are edible. Rushes got replaced,in places that used them, not everyone did. So yeah they swept and mopped also.
"Pray to give me a cutting from this miraculous tree"
LMAO. Not the tiniest trace of chill
Dog not allowed ect
Don't die as a disbeliever
It’s no different than most boomer wife jokes.
Swords were not a common weapon for most men. Swords were very expensive and only the rich and nobles had swords. Spears and cudgels and bows with arrows were more common.
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this goes for the early middle ages( and the periods before those I suppose). By the 15th century swords and even forms of plate armour were pretty common.
Margaret Beaufort's early pregnancy really screwed her ability to have other children.
When they married young it eas usual to put off consummation until their mid teens.
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I have often thought about those dark times in the past, with wars, plagues, starvation and hard labour, and realized we are the descendants of those who SURVIVED it all.
Well done for working that one out.
Dog not allowed ect
@forgottenpalace4472 don't die as a disbeliever
@@RebeccaQueen-ti1bk I already have.
@@forgottenpalace4472 don't die as a disbeliever
If you think it's hard to believe a modern parent would do that, I take it you were never babysat by your older cousins.
Some things never change though. Just watch any "funniest home videaos" and you get similar level of petty jokes and violence.
I agree
Ah yes, dumb internet videos vs setting large predators against eachother while you beat them with sticks. Totally comparable
Bull fighting still exists.@@DG-iw3yw
Dog not allowed ect
@traceyqueenofwands6766 don't die as a disbeliever
PLEASE do a Christmas video on the Middle Ages! How did they celebrate? What were their customs? How was the church involved?
They probably grinded their knee caps on stone at mass.
They watched the Grinch and drank egg nog wtf u think they did?
@@kyleross5019why being salty over a request?
@@yoursoulessmate Sorry, btw please also do a Thanksgiving video in ancient Mesopotamia….and Halloween during the Roman empire! Oh, and if you have time, Easter before the birth of Christ!
@@kyleross5019 what?😂
I was worried! 2 weeks no medieval madness, totally madness!
If some of these paintings are at all realistic, then medieval children must have looked like something out of Dr. Seuss.
huh. I've known many women who would chew the food for their growing babies and then feed them. But this was ONLY done between mother and babe- not strangers or nannies.
And grand babies
Dog not allowed ect
@@cheryldenkins1597suicide not allowed
That’s still gross
@@Saskatchetooner Where do you think kissing comes from?
🤣 it never ceases to bemuse me how little we've evolved as a species since the medieval times
Yep, some Mid Eastern and Central African nations are still violent and loving it. Mean while the US loves playing war games with Russia and China. To name a few. 😁
Wouldn’t this video suggest the opposite? That we’ve come a long way since then?
@@jacobhawkins3828no we haven’t. The torture is only done by governments now. Prisoners are still taken. Children are still married off in some pockets in America, legally surprisingly. Nothing has really changed? Other than the fact the we are royalty effing up earth and our futures. But hey at least we can eradicate the plague.
@@jacobhawkins3828 we have got worse as a species. how many people could now survive without electricity, internet, supermarkets or central heating?
There's nothing inherently wrong with the comforts of modern life - after all, it's taken thousands of years of engineering our environment and circumstances to cultivate this.
Human ingenuity is the reason we no longer need to survive under such poor conditions. We've fought to conquer numerous challenges nature has thrown at us, and hence we now face newer, different challenges. And I'm sure we'll continue that path of perseverance and progress, even if it isn't necessarily a linear journey.
@GunnerRDS
1346 age for military services in Britain: 15
2024 age of military service in Britain: 16
same for usa, but i think it's only navy.
I’m laughing at how much the baby Jesus looks like he’s hanging out at the water cooler at work!
This is my favorite channel, I absolutely love everything about it! 😊
Don't die as a disbeliever
@@RebeccaQueen-ti1bk
What are you talking about?
@@kellyshomemadekitchenreligious bs
@@ron3557
As you like but I’ve had too many “religious” experiences to believe otherwise. Just saying. 🤷🏻♀️
@@kellyshomemadekitchen Okay, but still, commenting "don't die as a disbeliever" everywhere is just weird
alot of these extrapolations about medieval society are so goofy, people loved their children same as they do now
Allah is one God God is Allah Allah has 99 names Allah is almighty
That whole first clip "a mean streak" describes today perfectly. All of us have a mean streak, and I do mean ALL of us, myself included, and you too. Most of us control it although some don't and some just can't. We are by our very biology suspicious of strangers, easily angered, and prone to violence once our emotions are aroused (not sexual arousal but that can happen, too). Sure, some of us are peaceful but I speak in general of Humanity at large. We also want our criminals to suffer as horrifically as possible, which is actually kind of inhumane but it's our nature to do that. Do I think criminals should get a pass? Not in the least but that's a discussion for a different day.
The second clip only goes to show that we like the same sort of crass, demeaning "jokes" today just as heartily as we did back then, too. Face it, the only reason we love FailArmy is because it shows people hurting themselves then the videos posted here on TH-cam for our entertainment as they nurse their injures despite the disclaimer "no one was harmed", which is usually a lie. LOL
Hehe, so true fact, women in some societies here today around the world still pre-chew their infant's food, usually in what the rest of us consider more primitive societies. I won't delve into the whole breastfeeding issue because, while I do have breasts, I wasn't able to have children and don't feel qualified to speak on that subject. 😁
I’m just going to put it out there. I have 2 kids, one is 17 and was super easygoing from day one. The other just turned 5 and is a redhead with a fiery attitude and still won’t sleep in her own bed, etc. The idea of hiring a wet nurse and four rockers and providing the kid with their own residence sounds like a fucking fabulous way to child-rear right about now. 😂
Ew. Poor little girl. Hope to god you aren't one of those horrid parents who clearly prefer their sons...you know- the "boy moms".
Its very obvious, even to a small child, when their sibling(s) is/are preferred over them. Its a set up- a self fulfilling prophecy enacted on children by their own selfish parents.
I love making a joke and getting jumped on and mom shamed by randos on the internet, super fun! First of all, both of my children are daughters, so there is no favoritism of a son. Secondly, we are in family therapy for the younger girl, trying to find solutions to our family’s problems that might actually work for our family. But hey, feel free to judge me for my dark sense of humor if it makes you feel better 😂
@@tiffanysjustcoloring You might want to look for signs of overstimulation, autism, ADHD, SPD ( sensory processing disorder ). These can impact a childs life immensely. "Difficult" children often aren't difficult, they just have different needs that are not met by their parents, because the parents are neurotypical and unaware of them.
I would recommend to go to a specialist for autism and ADHD to get the child evaluated. Normal family therapists often aren't equipped for this. If your child is neurodivergent, don't ever shame her for it. Please look at channels and information from other nd people.
It’s very simple, you bought the problem upon yourself. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Only needs to be done once.
@@yp77738yp77739 Wrong. Has been debunked for decades. If you hit your child it actually increases the risk of anxiety and depression. Sone also show decreased affective empathy,which also means it's harder to co-regulate on others and feel what's going on with someone else. This can make it harder to feel connected to friends and family. It also shows up in brain scans. It's well researched.
A lot of this can be boiled down to two points you made
#1. People didnt live that long. They married/had kids "early" because theyd probably be dead 10 years later.
#2. They were accustomed to violence from every angle, beatings, and sick humour is understandable when worse shit happens down the path from you every week
I had no idea that people in the medieval period removed the top of their heads on occasion! #TheMoreYouKnow
0:40😂was Jesus about to punch someone?!😂
Just a Roman.
He did whip the money changers and drive them out of the temple.
I couldn’t imagine having children to just send off to be raised elsewhere. My family and I are so close it would be hard for me to do.
Reminds me of the monty python's "That must be the king" joke
It's not unfathomable that exchange might have happened more than once in medieval times.
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@@RebeccaQueen-ti1bk I guess 'not got shit all over him' is too much to ask for allah
I worked with a man from Tanzania. He described cruelty to me which unfortunately made a little bit of sense after he described the way his people worked back home. He said that he lived in what he called a "compound". That his villagers took pride residing close to the Maasai people. I worked with this man this year as a psw by his side and he is a VERY loving and kind man and great at his work...YET! Back home....he described back home. He described the lawlessness. How his village was beautiful, and he and his village were close with the Maasai. How they would take busses to work to the city and how life was pretty much like ours in some senses....until the gangs entered town. Once they entered town, everyone is on edge. HE tried to explain to me how when these gangs entered, they were so far from any cities that there was no help, so the villagers were forced to protect themselves. He is a Christian man of faith and who loves life and god, but he said in his area it could get so bad, that you could be by a bus stop and someone who just hold a gun to your head. Ask for everything you had. You are dumb not to give it..but it's different when they enter your home. They would enter his peoples home and demand sex of their wives and children, much like the Vikings ( these are gang people). They'd do what they came to do, take everything you had and your belongings.....SO! Story goes! His people got so fed up because the police were not responding, they created their own police for their own village....the caught the fuckers. What they did is very disturbing though. They gathered old tires from a local shop. They piled them high. Placed the young criminals into them...and burned them alive as in hopes it would scare the others away, they still kept coming in. I asked why did he do it? He looked me dead in the eyes with no remorse " We had no other choice". He explained how it's a larger group than themselves and they keep coming in droves.....we don't understand the things we see written down in books as punishment in medieval times, but at the same time....think of having your daughters raped all in one night and everything you ever worked so hard to build taken from you? I'm not standing for this type of punishment,bbut it really paints the resilience of mankind.
Man, they had so much fun back in the day.
It's not hard to see why medieval people were so callous when as children every other adult in the village beat them like it was an Olympic sport
how do you know they got beat for no reason? do you do that to your kids
@@kipkipper-lg9vlmaybe because raising children back then wasnt about care or concern, but rather about asserting dominace and control. Parents back then were more like military coporals
@@hotcheetosqueen5841 that's just a massive over generalisation of thens of millions of people over hundreds of years and countless cultures
different culture but they are fairly normal, if hunter gather tribes that exist today are not some savages then I think it's unlikely a couple hundred years ago things where that different
@@kipkipper-lg9vlno, they are savages
So glad to see a new video from one of my favorite channels!! 🥰🥰🥰🎉🎉🎉
The tree joke got me haha
That whole 30s been seen as middle aged thing isn’t loads different to today. Today it’s still thought that your youth ends at 30 and when your in your 40s then your middle aged abs life expectancy in general is around 80s or so. Back in the medieval times people died in their 50s and 60s so 30s back then would have been similar to 40s today. Also that 15 year olds joining the military, now I know you can’t go to war until your 18 but you can still join the military at 16.
navy, right?
So medieval life was strikingly similar to catholic school…
LOL yep. 😅
Well, Catholic School is a surviving aspect of Medieval Life 💀
@@MoonWerewolfAirthats a fair point
@MoonWerewolfAir truth. Unfortunately was forced into a highly religious regimen as a kid, and it was awful.
@@MoonWerewolfAirlook up Philadelphia kensington ave 2023 its worse then medieval. Whats worse is most cities have an area like it
7:53 The way they look is the way every man feels when we get sick for a couple days.
Well, yes, Margaret Beaufort was a mother at 13, but you didn´t mention that this was even in the 15th century, looked at, as it was not the norm. Kids or young teenagers were getting married but were not allowed to have sex until they got of consentious age. This is why so many people have misconceptions of the medieval era, when so many things are not told and are just outright false
Yes, history shows that many traditions and customs have a tendency to change with time and place.
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It amazes me that while Europe had gone through the bronze age & the iron age etc. the indigenous Australians were so isolated as to still use stones, shells & wood for their hunting weapons, general tools & defences.
The baby in the thumbnail is an isekai protagonist.
Ya know, I wonder if the reason why so many women died in pregnancy is because they had a lot more kids than today on average. I mean, if the chance of dying during childbirth is 10% hypothetically 1 kid isent likely gunna kill you, but if you have 8-12 then thats a 10% chance to die every time which your just playing with death at that point.
I love how he describes the hanging of an amulet around the child's neck as a "THING"🤣
This is now one of my favourite watches. All round excellent and your endless illustrations and paintings really help to create the atmosphere. 👍
During medieval times, children displayed greater maturity, partly due to the high mortality rate and the experience gained from staying in other families’ homes. This exposure fostered a deeper appreciation for the world and instilled values at an early age, showcasing both parental influence and maturity.
In contrast, contemporary parents often hesitate to let their children venture even across the street, contributing to a noticeable sophistication in today’s youth. This trend appears to be escalating with each passing generation.
As always, very good video lad and keep it going.
The English school system in the eighties was my experience of medieval England.
The second part of this video is BS. Whilst some royals were berothed at very young ages, the reality was that most women married in their early 20's and men in their late 20's, after they finished being a journeyman and could support a family. If the average age of menarche was 17, why would you marry off your daughter if she couldn't even bear children?? Of course there were outliers, which tend to stick in people's memories, but we have outliers even these days too. Most adults lived to their late 50's and 60's, and in the records I regularly see people living to their 70's or 80's. Yes, infant mortality was high, and women dying of childbed fever was common too, but I also see women who have 12 kids and live to the age of 91, so it's all relative.
You used Margaret of Beaufort as an example and it's actually a very good one-as an outlier. She was the wealthiest girl in britain, and as such had a fantastic diet and good health. She probably got pregnant just after or around her first period/s and it shows, because it harmed her body so much to be pregnant and give birth that she almost died and was rendered sterile and unable to even have s3x for the rest of her life (probably a class III prolapsed uterus with possible hip/pelvic floor damage that gave her a slight limp). Medieval people weren't stupid, they knew children shouldn't have children, and people mistake "betrothal" for "consumated marriage". The norm for most was after the age of majority-which was 21 for women and men from the early dark ages.
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I agree except many royals were betrothed a young ages as political pawns like Margaret of Beaufort' granddaughter Margaret or Elisabeth of Valois. Then other royals like Mary Tudor, Mar's nice MaryTudor, and Elisabeth were betrothed at a young age for political alliances but when it didn't work there was no rush for them to be married before 17. Mary Tudor wasmarried some 17 to the king of France, she married Charles Brandon after the king died nd was around 20. Mary and Elizabeth were ignited as political but Mary wasn't married off in a rush even when she was 16/ still legitimate although th great matter started when she was 13-14. Jane wasn't forced to be married before 14 she was used a as a political pawn
that baby in the thumbnail's facial expression 😂😂
I finally understand where conservatives are coming from when they complain about modern society being too soft! They would love to live in medieval Europe!
Considering they used an old canonical medieval English law to push for abortion laws, you hit the nail on the head
So people were not nearly as pussified as they are today? Maybe we should take note...
You'd be a roasted jester back then. Like, in two days.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver There is no evidence that suggests he sexually harasses or assaults women.
@@QueenMonny Which I never even implied.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Well you kind of did when you said he'd be roasted like a jester. That was what they got roasted for.
@@QueenMonny Please refer to a reputable dictionary. A court jester does not assault women.
Lot of paintings from the 1800s and 1900s here, dude.
This was very interesting, I always look forward to your videos! ❤😊
Now this Guy is the Really the Worlds Most Interesting Man Alive not that other Guy from those Beer Commercials
Someone is using your videos, they translate them in german. The Channel is called „Zeitlose Geschichte“
During the Middle Ages in England, life expectancy at birth was relatively low. According to historical records, life expectancy at birth for boys born to landowning families was approximately 31.3 years.
during the black plague people behaved insane trying to hurry to live out what was left of their lives before they died.
trick or treat
Honestly this just improves my faith in humanity that we can become better
Definitely has been rough patch paste few years just not war wise anymore
But we’re not, that’s the thing. We’re better in some areas but worse in others.
@@Window4503yes but atleast we actually realize how horrible this was stuff is now, the fact that this was meant to be a shocking video is enough to say we moved past this atleast a little
@@sailorpolkadon't die as a disbeliever
@@Window4503don't die as a disbeliever
A misconception here is the young marrying age back then. Getting married at 12-14 was really only done amongst the upper class and just because they were married that young doesn’t mean the marriage was consummated immediately. Often these couples would wait til they were 18 to their early 20s. The young marrying age was because for the elites marriage was more about forming family alliances than anything else.
The lower class was still typically getting married at 18-22. Still early by most western standards but in no way was child marriage overly common across the board.
getting married and consummation was often as young as 15 or 16 too and continued to be well into the 1800s, but yes 12 was rare
marriages like this are still common in parts of Africa and Asia
Well Asia is improving with trade. Hope China will continue the trend if trade with Mid East and Africa. 😄
What a time to be alive now
Definitely not back then😂
I feel blessed and grateful for the little that I have
my grandfather left home 14 to go work on a farm
Mine left at that age to go work in a ship as a cook when he didnt know how to cook.
my ggpa left europe at 12 and came to america alone. worked hard labor.
Was this recently?
I think that at some point we will come to the realization (hopefully not too late) that so many women today waiting until their 30's to have children will lead to the demise of our civilization.
There is a lot of distortion here. Firstly, many of the pictures are from times that were post medieval. Books are quoted that only support the narrative intent but other books at the time recommended gentler chastisement of children. E.g One narrative sbout Saint Anselm explained that if you beat children like animals, they are going to grow up to act like animals. Children cannot be tamed like animals. Instead, children should be nurtured like a gardener would a tree. Furthermore, by continuously terrifying children with threats of harm and actually hitting them, children stop seeing any good in the world and become hateful. They only grow more hateful as adults.
Punishment for crimes could be cruel but not always! Court documents and biographies etc demonstrate imprisonment and fines were often the punishment for even more serious crimes. A lot of crimes were punished by persons who held a form of local authority over said punishment so some such authority figures were relatively lenient whilst others were not. Definitely though cruel punishments occurred but ti suggest they always were inflicted is not true.
Bear baiting did not end until the 19th century, cock fighting too. So not just a Medieval cruelty.
The comments about early marriage being the norm are entirely spurious! Poor people married much later than rich ones often in their twenties as poor people couldn't afford marriage until later and due to dietary matters and no chemicals in the environment faking female hormones (unlike today) girls often did not start their periods until years later than they do now, so since the church taught marriage was for procreation there's not much point in doing it until you actually can procreate.
The wealthy sometimes married very young but often nit until late teens or very early twenties and even when they did marry very young this doesn't mean they consummated that young. Such marriages were arranged. Lands were joined, businesses united. The married couple usually did not consummate until the couple were more physically mature. Some of these earky marriages ended unconsummated on occasions where one of the spouses died.
When there was consummation it was often frowned upon. One of the Popes gave an English King a proper tongue lashing for nearly killing his Queen because he got her pregnant when she was only about 13. Richer women did sometimes get their periods earlier than poorer ones but it was not deemed acceptable to impregnate someone with such an immature body.
People will say, what about Shakespeare? All his talk in his plays of very young brides? Especially Romeo and Juliet? Well Shakespeare was your typical Tudor English man who loved nothing better than criticising foreigners in his plays. Romeo and Juliet was written when he was the father of a teenage daughter Juliette's age. Neither of his daughters married in their teens.
The play is meant to show Juliet and Romeo as selfish and undisciplined. And the foreign ways of them and their families as inferior to those of England. Even the excessive length of their swords is critiqued. In England at the time if a man's sword was over a certain length he would be fined and the sword shortened.
Shakespeare was post medieval but his and his contemporaries attitude to very young marriages predates the Tudor era.
Also, long-term imprisonment was not a feasible solution for crime as it is extremely expensive for the impoverished communities in the middle ages. Police work was also not nearly as advanced as it is in modern society, so the vast majority of crimes went unpunished. As a result, when criminals were caught, their punishments would skew very harsh as a way of trying to deter crime.
3:05 “Prank him, John.”
Why medieval babies look so aged and creepy lmao
Babies were painted to look like Jesus because they believed Jesus was never a baby, but was fully formed from the beginning. That's why them babies look ugly as hell.
Inbreeding
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FYI I found this video when I did a search for the "Medieval Madness" pinball machine
Cool! One of my favorites. "Oh my god, this dragon is, like, totally grody! Ew!"
@@davidcox3076 Yoohoo! My helmet has horns! I totally gotta buy one of those when I have enough saved, that and a terminator 3, and a lord of the rings, and funhouse, and a cue ball wizard, and a monster bash, and a Williams high speed, dang i wish i had enough money for all of those
And if you lived at that time you would fully participate. Don't fool yourself.
And children were considered to be adults and ready for marriage, serving in the army, and working, because people died a lot earlier than we do now. Life span was probably in the fifties.
The lifespan of most people back then were in their 30s or 40s,but most women died earlier than that,often dying in their 20s or younger in childbirth.
A lot of this still happens where I live
I’m So Grateful to God that I live in this era bc people back then were Absolutely HORRIBLE! Especially to the poor animals- And with how they raised their children, I Cannot Understand how Anyone survived those times- Anyways, Great and Interesting (yet disturbing) Video!
Where can i find your sources?
Throwing raw sewage out 2nd floor window onto busy street is now frowned upon by local.health boards.
Crazy aye
And ppl complain they have hard life now...
Life is still hard for many because society is never gonna be a good society especially with women but life did really really improve though wich I’m more that happy about
4:50 I've seen that business model executed successfully on TH-cam
I love Medieval ages! let's face it, I would probably be already dead
Fortunately, Europe went through its renaissance and evolved to be a different place. If only some middle-eastern places would have done the same
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Only true 14th century kids won't remember this
@r.8902 as if that's something to be ashamed of?
Most of us would be.
16 is a mere 2 years below 18… when they are now acceptable to war
You've been reading The Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England
I love you man keep it up
ok hear me out, i will live a terrible life and eventually die of smallpox. But it would be really fun to partake in some of these things
If anyone's interested in Medieval traditional society I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos series
That thumbnail killed me 😂
Makes sense why the morality rate was so low back then. Miasma was still a common belief iirc, so people didn't get that certain things(like chewing the food for the baby) wasn't a good thing.
Edit: I didn't realize I put low, I meant high.
High. The mortality rate was so high.
@@charissachubb5758 didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing out
@@sea-abyssal No probs. Thank you for not being outraged at being corrected! 🤣🤣
@charissachubb5758 dw, I tend to mix up words a lot when typing and/or not realize autocorrect made a word completely different, so getting a little point out helps!
@@sea-abyssal I've just noticed that you typed morality, not mortality!!! Tut. Lol.
Medieval Europe mindset is basically the modern Chinese mindset.
Your businessmen marry 8 year olds? Who knew..
Man I like this channel
The justice system should be the same for today’s society as it was then.
Rooster fight are common in many countries,and we have black humor
Quite a few stereotypes you present here that mostly considered utterly wrong today.
It is ridiculous to think a 16 year old was in charge of an army. Yet you do.
People were so barbaric back then. Especially when it came to harming animals. Yes, we still have some of that today but it’s illegal in most places.
most of this is unproven speculation from university professors, the idea that people just magically did not love their children is extremely stupid
"So, you boiled the criminal alive, eh?"
"Yes. The peasants were glad to eat boiled meat.
this puts a new spin on "16 and pregnant "
And number 3 is "it's just a prank! Bro!"
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Been binging your stuff. Love it!
Damn, humanity has grown soft and weepy. These days we have people who are convinced that sticks and stones are not needed; that words alone can hurt them in the form of so-called "micro-aggressions"-people with lives so easy that they go out of their way to be offended on behalf of others.
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When some says medieval it would be nice to specify which region of the world. Different cultures had different practices
Sorry to be a nit picky nerd, but y’all got a bit lazy with some of the pictures - as in, some of them are from periods of history that occurred hundreds of years removed from the subject matter. A history channel should take pride in its attempt at accuracy, yeah?
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