Same thing happened to my power steering pump. Driving along at 65mph last week, heard a loud clank, and in 1 second, the pulley, internal shaft and belt were gone, behind me in the darkness of the road, was 10pm, waited for a tow for 8.5 hours broken down. I appreciate this video more than you know, I'm about to replace everything now, got the package from LRD. This video is the bees knees.. I posed a video showing the pump in the same state on my 300tdi, completely spilled it's guts...
Amazing video, thank you so much. I am currently in the process of giving my Disco 1 300 tdi some well needed TLC. home project over the next couple of months. And your videos will be helping greatly. begginer here
The sound of that 300 was great, just like listening to a musical box ( nearly as good as my 200 ). Surely there should have been a circlip on the back of the shaft to stop it moving forward, if not, it's like you say Mike, CRAP ENGINEERING. Great video, keep em coming. Best wishes from Yorkshire Rob.
Had a similar problem with the Belt Tensioner, Looked like it was being pulled out of line! Took it apart and the long threaded {can't think of its name} rod that goes through the middle with the fixing nut, was pulling out of the alloy casting, the threads were failing badly, fitted a new replacement and then thought of making something better than original, i did say thought!! not done owt yet, keep up the good work Mike, you'r a pleasure to watch.
Sometimes stuff just fails. Out of every10,000 units or whatever, there’s bound to be a balls up somewhere amongst em! Chuck it in the melt and hopefully next time round, in whatever form it takes, it will be better made and longer lasting! Great vid and a nice little road trip! Dunno if I’ve missed the trip to the burger joint that someone mentioned earlier, but a few little trips out to show us the lovely looking place you live in would be nice! Cheers👍
This is actually a very common problem, have now replaced upwards of 20 of these here in NZ, if you strip and check you will find that the pump shaft was actually manufactured slightly under size and was always going to fail
Thanks, Mike, just after midnight here in Australia, so I've pulled another beer out of the fridge and cast your video onto the big telly. Nice to see a Can Am Spyder wizz past (great for us old stroke survivors with no balance). I quite like your trips to the hardware, bottle shop, hamburger joint, etc, but I suspect that one day you'll have unwanted visitors who navigated their way to your place based on your videos. Cheers, Mark.
@@BritannicaRestorations They've just brought out a Ryker which is a bit like a high powered three wheeled go cart. I didn't realise that you were relatively close to a city. Some of your videos look very rustic.
This happened to me whilst driving on a motorway in France. The shaft just sheared. It was a very expensive repair by a French Land Rover dealer. Looking at the break it looked like the shaft actually melted.
If the needle roller bearing collapsed then the needles would be smashed and ground up and the end of the shaft would be damaged, I think the main bearing broke free as the casting is weak, and weaker if you peine the edge overto retain the bearing
Has the pump had a front end clonk - dropped by a courier etc. if the shaft took a dunk it could have fractured the front of the pump housing. Or has someone dropped something on the pulley while the pump was installed. Strikes me that there was either a fault in the casting or some violence has been involved.
Exactly this happened to me 2 month ago in the middle of France on the way to a vintage dirt bike meeting. We could manage to get a 1400mm belt, which was not so easy on a late friday afternoon, and could continue without the power steering. I was really p***** off when I found out in my documentation that the ZF pump was a replacement I did 2 years ago and it hat only 25000km. I remembered that, when I ordered the pump, I didn‘t ordered the cheapest pump but was looking for a „quality“ part.
Omg this happened to me on the motor way - the belt shredded and I only noticed because the engine temp needle was buried..... got off motorway and noticed power steering was gone... AA was able to replace the belt and do a sniff test which luckily was clean.... took it to my mechanic to check pulley alignment but turned out it was my power steering pump.... (300tdi 90)
@@BritannicaRestorations I'm serious about the "fake" thing, Mike. I doubt seriously that ZF would have built a pump with such a paltry bearing. That rear bearing carries a significant load if you look at it. It carries the integrity of the shaft in a similar way, but obviously not the same way, as a wheel bearing. There are two points of load, unlike say a water pump. I may be wrong, but I believe the first pump you fitted was a fake. Or, of course, ZF have surrendered to the new, throw it away, world order we seem to be set on..., like most companies.
First pump was exactly the same as the replacement - I could have got a Chinese one cheaper and in hindsight maybe it would have been better And as for genuine Have a look here www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/82023/0/power_steering_pump_300tdi_defender___range_rover_classic___discovery price is ridiculous (AND they want a £95 surcharge! ) so I bought a branded OEM one Look at the Allmakes 'pattern' one Looks the same to me www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/202089/0/power_steering_pump_300tdi_defender___range_rover_classic___discovery
I'm very impressed that drivers in Québec use their indicators in roundabouts. Chapeau! I lost a 300tdi alternator to the fact a previous owner had fitted a D2 serpentine belt. That fit, but was a bit small, so stressed the bearings on the alternator. Not that the MM is much of an alternator to begin with. Looks like a tidy 110 - never sold the 300tdi in Canada AFAIK?
These are the first roundabouts in Quebec - people didn't know how to use them! So many were stopped on the roundabout and waiting to turn! Very few indicate Also one of my gripes is they made them too small and should have had slips on the right to speed up flow, still better than nothing and far superior to lights and f*ucking 4 way stops! LR never sold ANY diesels in Canada or the US - everything was public import I think the LR way of thinking is if you can afford a $60,000 Range Rover you can afford the cheap petrol! Mike
What actually happened is the main bearing is crimped in and made in such a cheap manner. Change the idle pulley with every service and the steering pump will last. The tensioner over heats and pull harder on the pump. Every time I replace a pump I change the tensioner
just the same few weeks before! see at me videos , bearing off and main belt break and pullout the secondary A.A. belt and breaking the main cable A.A. :(
in my opinion Bosch are not the brand name they once were once you start manufacturing in "let's use the easy word" 3rd world countries they even have parts made in china sorry if your from Brazil
Mr Mike, could you please tell me the Bosch/ZF part number on the box? I know the LR part number is ANR2157, isn`t it? But the ZF number, could you please tell me? Thank you, sir!
@@BritannicaRestorations Thank you very much, mr Mike! When I was searching the part number, I was presented the same number but, althought it is "made in brazil", i didn't find any seller here in Brazil who had this part for sale. They all have one similar pump, part number 3091975919, for Ford Ranger Hsd 2.5. Comparing both on the bosh eletronic catalog, they are very similar, just few components have different numbers: the spring, the rotor ant the valve screw. The working pressure, body, size, etc are just the same. So I was wondering if Bosh has discontinued the LR pump and was selling the Ford Ranger one in place of. Your answer shows me that the LR Pump may be "for exportation only".... I will try the Ford ranger one, 'cause it is the available part here. Hope it works. Thank you again!
So, Robert Bosch GMBH means nothing these days? Why am I not surprised? I have some "tools" labelled this way, and they are crap. OK, not car related, but does anyone remember the name Grundig Or Japanese names such as TEAC, Sansui, or more recently Makita? ZF have been making parts in China for around 15 years, as have Bosch. OK, I have no problem with China. I have a Mac and several iPhones which are made there, but there is a history of Chinese companies copying stuff...... the ZF logo on something should not be trusted. A Yorky should know that.
You got it wrong. The Chinese do not copy the brand names - they BOUGHT them! They love to buy German companies and sell cheap stuff under that old brand name.
@@mrcvry Yeah, fair enough, but I didn't get it wrong. What you say is exactly what I said. They bought the companies. Like TEAC, Grundig etc. You picked one word ( copying ) to attack, and that's where you fucked up. Names that were respected are now names that were crap. Like TEAC, Grundig etc. You get the picture, I hope. One day it could be Apple.
Cost cutting is the only way companies are maintaining profits again, we are now starting another 2008 with all economies proping each other up. It’s starting to feel like the 80s early 90s again, everyone undercutting each other and shops with signs up asking for customers. Can’t build an economy on house prices.
The quality of machining was good - just bad engineering in my opinion - very small needle bearing at the back where there was room for a bigger one and the lip holding the front bearing was very thin All aluminium - the originals were cast iron if I recall BUT I have noticed these seem to be a universal pump and the inlet pipe can be changed Looks like they are bonded in) and also the outlet is a steel bushing which again can be changed
Spot on James! Look at Apple - stock prices high, but turnover is lowering - they have bought back stock to keep the price high 2008 was a 'dry run' Massive housing crisis looming in Canada!
Same thing happened to my power steering pump. Driving along at 65mph last week, heard a loud clank, and in 1 second, the pulley, internal shaft and belt were gone, behind me in the darkness of the road, was 10pm, waited for a tow for 8.5 hours broken down. I appreciate this video more than you know, I'm about to replace everything now, got the package from LRD. This video is the bees knees.. I posed a video showing the pump in the same state on my 300tdi, completely spilled it's guts...
Thanks!
Mike
Amazing video, thank you so much. I am currently in the process of giving my Disco 1 300 tdi some well needed TLC. home project over the next couple of months. And your videos will be helping greatly. begginer here
Glad it was helpful!
The sound of that 300 was great, just like listening to a musical box ( nearly as good as my 200 ). Surely there should have been a circlip on the back of the shaft to stop it moving forward, if not, it's like you say Mike, CRAP ENGINEERING. Great video, keep em coming. Best wishes from Yorkshire Rob.
I am beginning to think the front cover only has a 1mm lip in aluminium which is not thick enough
Ah, those little straightforward jobs that just take a short time !!!!! 😢
Had a similar problem with the Belt Tensioner, Looked like it was being pulled out of line! Took it apart and the long threaded {can't think of its name} rod that goes through the middle with the fixing nut, was pulling out of the alloy casting, the threads were failing badly, fitted a new replacement and then thought of making something better than original, i did say thought!! not done owt yet, keep up the good work Mike, you'r a pleasure to watch.
I think the only way of fixing them is a Helicoil or tapped out and a stepped stud fitted
Sometimes stuff just fails. Out of every10,000 units or whatever, there’s bound to be a balls up somewhere amongst em! Chuck it in the melt and hopefully next time round, in whatever form it takes, it will be better made and longer lasting!
Great vid and a nice little road trip! Dunno if I’ve missed the trip to the burger joint that someone mentioned earlier, but a few little trips out to show us the lovely looking place you live in would be nice!
Cheers👍
I will do some runs in the autumn with the S1!
This is actually a very common problem, have now replaced upwards of 20 of these here in NZ, if you strip and check you will find that the pump shaft was actually manufactured slightly under size and was always going to fail
Getting a lot of feedback on these - thanks!
Thanks, Mike, just after midnight here in Australia, so I've pulled another beer out of the fridge and cast your video onto the big telly. Nice to see a Can Am Spyder wizz past (great for us old stroke survivors with no balance). I quite like your trips to the hardware, bottle shop, hamburger joint, etc, but I suspect that one day you'll have unwanted visitors who navigated their way to your place based on your videos.
Cheers, Mark.
A lot of the parts for those trikes are made in Sherbrooke
Now I have a better camera set up i should do some more trips!
@@BritannicaRestorations They've just brought out a Ryker which is a bit like a high powered three wheeled go cart. I didn't realise that you were relatively close to a city. Some of your videos look very rustic.
This happened to me whilst driving on a motorway in France. The shaft just sheared. It was a very expensive repair by a French Land Rover dealer. Looking at the break it looked like the shaft actually melted.
If the needle roller bearing collapsed then the needles would be smashed and ground up and the end of the shaft would be damaged, I think the main bearing broke free as the casting is weak, and weaker if you peine the edge overto retain the bearing
There is just a 1 mm lip holding the bearing in - I think you may be right -there was oil still in the pump so was not run dry
Mike, the original type pump on the 300tdi has a bronze bush in the rear housing. Bosch is different internally to the Landrover one.
Yes and not that well designed
Has the pump had a front end clonk - dropped by a courier etc. if the shaft took a dunk it could have fractured the front of the pump housing. Or has someone dropped something on the pulley while the pump was installed. Strikes me that there was either a fault in the casting or some violence has been involved.
It was well packed when it arrived
Exactly this happened to me 2 month ago in the middle of France on the way to a vintage dirt bike meeting. We could manage to get a 1400mm belt, which was not so easy on a late friday afternoon, and could continue without the power steering.
I was really p***** off when I found out in my documentation that the ZF pump was a replacement I did 2 years ago and it hat only 25000km. I remembered that, when I ordered the pump, I didn‘t ordered the cheapest pump but was looking for a „quality“ part.
Omg this happened to me on the motor way - the belt shredded and I only noticed because the engine temp needle was buried..... got off motorway and noticed power steering was gone... AA was able to replace the belt and do a sniff test which luckily was clean.... took it to my mechanic to check pulley alignment but turned out it was my power steering pump.... (300tdi 90)
Well I am glad it is not a one off- the rear bearing is very small
I will have to have a look at an original pump to see how it is made
@@BritannicaRestorations I'm serious about the "fake" thing, Mike. I doubt seriously that ZF would have built a pump with such a paltry bearing. That rear bearing carries a significant load if you look at it. It carries the integrity of the shaft in a similar way, but obviously not the same way, as a wheel bearing. There are two points of load, unlike say a water pump. I may be wrong, but I believe the first pump you fitted was a fake. Or, of course, ZF have surrendered to the new, throw it away, world order we seem to be set on..., like most companies.
First pump was exactly the same as the replacement - I could have got a Chinese one cheaper and in hindsight maybe it would have been better
And as for genuine
Have a look here
www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/82023/0/power_steering_pump_300tdi_defender___range_rover_classic___discovery
price is ridiculous (AND they want a £95 surcharge! ) so I bought a branded OEM one
Look at the Allmakes 'pattern' one
Looks the same to me
www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/202089/0/power_steering_pump_300tdi_defender___range_rover_classic___discovery
I once recovered a D1 300tdi off Salisbury plain with exactly the same problem. I don't know what happened to it, but how strange.
Seems to be quite common
Bearmach do a nice clear expansion tank. Makes noticing any loss of water much easier. Got one on my 90 and I would recommend them
I'm very impressed that drivers in Québec use their indicators in roundabouts. Chapeau!
I lost a 300tdi alternator to the fact a previous owner had fitted a D2 serpentine belt. That fit, but was a bit small, so stressed the bearings on the alternator. Not that the MM is much of an alternator to begin with.
Looks like a tidy 110 - never sold the 300tdi in Canada AFAIK?
These are the first roundabouts in Quebec - people didn't know how to use them! So many were stopped on the roundabout and waiting to turn!
Very few indicate
Also one of my gripes is they made them too small and should have had slips on the right to speed up flow, still better than nothing and far superior to lights and f*ucking 4 way stops!
LR never sold ANY diesels in Canada or the US - everything was public import
I think the LR way of thinking is if you can afford a $60,000 Range Rover you can afford the cheap petrol!
Mike
What actually happened is the main bearing is crimped in and made in such a cheap manner. Change the idle pulley with every service and the steering pump will last. The tensioner over heats and pull harder on the pump. Every time I replace a pump I change the tensioner
Melt it Mike!
I had that on mine mike. Maybe the tentioners these days were getting have more tention that original one?
The tensioners seem to be the same - wonder why alternators and water pumps are not dropping out?
Left hand drive and right hand road. Where you at?
Happened to me. Then some of the bolts holding the pully and pump on were stripped. Fun.
Well, it keeps us off the streets!
@@BritannicaRestorations Haha! I'd like to get on the streets every now and then with the Landy!
Love the 300tdi
I balanced the crank, rods and piston on this - made a world of difference
just the same few weeks before! see at me videos , bearing off and main belt break and pullout the secondary A.A. belt and breaking the main cable A.A. :(
did the belt have any signs of wear on it ?
in my opinion Bosch are not the brand name they once were once you start manufacturing in "let's use the easy word" 3rd world countries they even have parts made in china sorry if your from Brazil
Mr Mike, could you please tell me the Bosch/ZF part number on the box? I know the LR part number is ANR2157, isn`t it? But the ZF number, could you please tell me? Thank you, sir!
7692955906
@@BritannicaRestorations Thank you very much, mr Mike! When I was searching the part number, I was presented the same number but, althought it is "made in brazil", i didn't find any seller here in Brazil who had this part for sale. They all have one similar pump, part number 3091975919, for Ford Ranger Hsd 2.5. Comparing both on the bosh eletronic catalog, they are very similar, just few components have different numbers: the spring, the rotor ant the valve screw. The working pressure, body, size, etc are just the same. So I was wondering if Bosh has discontinued the LR pump and was selling the Ford Ranger one in place of. Your answer shows me that the LR Pump may be "for exportation only".... I will try the Ford ranger one, 'cause it is the available part here. Hope it works. Thank you again!
Mine failed i replaced with a chinese pump off ebay it has a shaft knock in it from the word go !!!
I don't think any one makes quality parts any more - as long as they get through the 12 month warranty
I hope the pump has not filled the system with bits of metal!
No - I was expecting that though
I'm a little bit glad I haven't got power steering now just a little though
Proper pump or 'counterfeit' Mike? Big business these days unfortunately from car parts to aircraft parts...you never know...
Looked like a proper one to me
Made in Brazil but they made the 300Tdi and the HS2.8 there
part made in Brazil.....people in Comments another reason not to buy a landrover .
So, Robert Bosch GMBH means nothing these days? Why am I not surprised? I have some "tools" labelled this way, and they are crap.
OK, not car related, but does anyone remember the name Grundig Or Japanese names such as TEAC, Sansui, or more recently Makita?
ZF have been making parts in China for around 15 years, as have Bosch. OK, I have no problem with China. I have a Mac and several iPhones which are made there, but there is a history of Chinese companies copying stuff...... the ZF logo on something should not be trusted. A Yorky should know that.
You got it wrong. The Chinese do not copy the brand names - they BOUGHT them! They love to buy German companies and sell cheap stuff under that old brand name.
@@mrcvry Yeah, fair enough, but I didn't get it wrong. What you say is exactly what I said. They bought the companies. Like TEAC, Grundig etc. You picked one word ( copying ) to attack, and that's where you fucked up. Names that were respected are now names that were crap. Like TEAC, Grundig etc. You get the picture, I hope. One day it could be Apple.
Cost cutting is the only way companies are maintaining profits again, we are now starting another 2008 with all economies proping each other up. It’s starting to feel like the 80s early 90s again, everyone undercutting each other and shops with signs up asking for customers. Can’t build an economy on house prices.
The quality of machining was good - just bad engineering in my opinion - very small needle bearing at the back where there was room for a bigger one and the lip holding the front bearing was very thin
All aluminium - the originals were cast iron if I recall
BUT I have noticed these seem to be a universal pump and the inlet pipe can be changed Looks like they are bonded in) and also the outlet is a steel bushing which again can be changed
Spot on James!
Look at Apple - stock prices high, but turnover is lowering - they have bought back stock to keep the price high
2008 was a 'dry run'
Massive housing crisis looming in Canada!