The thing about that cartridge arrangement is that it makes the job of replacing the stylus a heck of a lot easier. Those Garrard changers were used here in Australia by Kriesler for their early-1960s console(furniture-piece) stereo radiograms.
@@top40researcher31 If they used the Garrard auto-changers, you simply took off the pick-up head which held the cartridge(either mono or stereo wired for mono because the Mercury was a mono player), then a jeweller's screwdriver loosens the screw that holds the stylus in place via a two-pronged fork shape. loosen the screw just enough to slide out the old stylus and slide in the new, tighten the screw and reattach the head to the rest of the arm, job done.
@@top40researcher31 Those were easier again to replace, a little metal clip held the stylus in place and you changed stylus by pulling out the old and sliding in the new. Flipping the stylus gave a 3 mil stylus for 78rpm shellacs(coarse-groove) and the other, a microgroove stylus for LPs, EPs and singles.
Thanks. I get replacement electronic components from Ebay or CPC Farnells cpc.farnell.com/ as for mechanics It is rare I have to find a replacement. I can usually refurbish or repair parts, on rarer occasions I will have, or find a sacrificial item and use it for good spares.
No I wish I knew of a source. I tend to rob good working cartridges off other machines that I haven't got around to restoring yet. I'll come unstuck and end up with a bunch of machines all needing cartridges.
What should one expect to pay for a great example such as this, a HMV 2009 , serviced, recapped, - the full 50+ year service - give or take 50 pounds? Not a car-boot or 'mate's price' - the open market price? I'm not selling, but looking. thanks.
I sold that one in sept/ oct 2016 for £269 It had all its capacitors changed because the tone controls etc were not working and I can’t remember but I almost certainly had to recap the smoothing and valve cathode bypass capacitors. I think now restored to that standard and given there are considerably more caps in it than most for some reason. I would probably hope to get closer to £300 that reflects the work they take I actually have a couple of HMV 2009’s in storage if you are interested at that price. On the other hand if you are interested more in the general period I would normally expect to restore and sell an auto-changer record player for around £170 but they are done with all x2 rated safety capacitors on any path that potentially leads to ground or the chassis and PAT tested of course. I don’t know if you had a look at my other videos but I have a few restorations on there. Dansettes especially the Bermuda command higher prices ..
@@ianwatkin5452 Thanks for the info - I'll look at some of your other videos this evening, I do have a thing for the 2009 - its a great looking 50s player - It something I really want to look into into the spring, - i'll bookmark you! :-)
I could only find one image online for the GEC Television Record Player console. That one looked to be fitted with a Garrard Autoslim Autochanger, But lots of times manufacturers used different Decks in the same products from time to time so it's quite possible you are right and the ones you have seen had this deck. Heres alink to a youtube video of a Garrard Autoslim th-cam.com/video/LnjKSXDBnwg/w-d-xo.html
Do you not have to worry about anti-scate and traction weight etc with these old players? I has something similar years ago - a handed down 1960s portable with a bag full of old records, Bachelors, Elvis, even a 1963 Benny Hill.. , and also remember my Mum's Decca stereogram and then her Dynatron - never heard a skip. These days you can by a new record for a new record player and need to worry about balance, tracking and anti skate...
These old vintage auto change record players had much lower fidelity than a more modern hi fi turntable and they tracked at much heavy weight (Stylus Pressure / Balance) they still provide a really emotive vinyl experience and despite having very high end hifi turntable myself, I still love to put a stack of 45’s on one of these and listen to it play, brings back great memories and gives me a warm glow. I love the sound and the mechanical sounds of the mechanism and records dropping. Because a modern Hi Fi turntable uses a much finer stylus with much lower stylus pressure (Tracking weight) to perform at their best they need a lot more checks and balances hence tracking force, optimum stylus weight, even the position of the stylus relative to the center of the record and some other factors all make a big difference. Hope that helps to explain it a bit.
@@ianwatkin5452 Thanks Ian - That explains a lot and puts my mind at rest. My journey back into vinyl records and players is to enjoy the music of the era (195X to 1979) as it would have been played and heard then. I've read how a heavy tracking weight can wear down a record but bar accidental damage or poor handling, they seem to have held up pretty well from all those years ago, and have survived many changes in fashion trends and garage/loft isolation. Some examples from my late mothers estate can testiify to this and play incredibly well, despite their 50+ years of age - and I can testify to their many hours of enjoyment/playing through the years. Maybe records were made of sterner stuff in the 50s,60s, and even the 70s.
Ah, a British-made player, judging from the details in the lid showing EMI's British location, Hayes Middlesex, explains also the British copy of "Dance On" by The Shadows. I'm fairly certain my own copy is a British pressing as well. I got it second-hand from a book & record shop in Newcastle, Australia several years ago..
General Electric in Australia were associated more with barrel-type vacuum cleaners in the 1950s and 1960s. First time I saw anything in the line of consumer electronics from G.E. was a 12' portable black & white TV set made by them in 1971(when I saw the set, not necessarily when it was made). So if G.E. was making record players here in the 1950s and 1960s, I've personally never caught sight of one.
here's the the discription This is an integrated three-in-one; TV, AM radio and record player, housed in a dark red timber-veneer cabinet. Viewed from the front, the cabinet forms a squat “L” shape, sitting on four legs. The twenty-one inch television is to the left with dials to the right of the screen and the stereophonic Garrard record player to the right. A back-hinged top opening lid covers the record player and storage compartment. The dials for the record player are next to the turntable. The radio-tuner is on the left side of the cabinet. The lower front has cloth mesh covering the stereo speakers. The TV antenna connection and power cord are at the rear. Printed on the perforated rear Masonite panel are the patent and manufacturer’s marks and serial number. Screwed underneath the cabinet, in each corner, are four removable tapered wooden legs with metal dish feet.
@@adrianoconnor7367Hi Adrian sorry I'm guilty of not checking in often enough when you say it won't go on can you be more specific NO Power , power comes on turntable spins but not sound, etc etc. Is it the same model as mine here
@@ianwatkin5452 yes iot is the same modle mine when plug in blows hoyse main fuse ive change every thing and still does it im thinking when i change the turn table the motor could be wrong thanks for geting back if i had youre aderrsss i cold post it to you i live in ireland
Its a beautiful piece. Amazing sound quality.
Sorry I didn't see your comment sooner. Yes I loved restoring this player. Sold long ago but I have another in storage I really must get around to.
I like the cool red mat on the platter
im the proud noner of three of these
Love this good record player and this good record.
The red mat is good
I fell in love with it because of the red mat.
Good song!
The thing about that cartridge arrangement is that it makes the job of replacing the stylus a heck of a lot easier. Those Garrard changers were used here in Australia by Kriesler for their early-1960s console(furniture-piece) stereo radiograms.
@neilforbes416 the 1973 HMV Mercury brands were the worst when it comes to replacing the stylus *oh the agony* lol
@@top40researcher31 If they used the Garrard auto-changers, you simply took off the pick-up head which held the cartridge(either mono or stereo wired for mono because the Mercury was a mono player), then a jeweller's screwdriver loosens the screw that holds the stylus in place via a two-pronged fork shape. loosen the screw just enough to slide out the old stylus and slide in the new, tighten the screw and reattach the head to the rest of the arm, job done.
@@neilforbes416 yes i remember the stylus was two way i think one side was for albums and the other for 45's
@@top40researcher31 Those were easier again to replace, a little metal clip held the stylus in place and you changed stylus by pulling out the old and sliding in the new. Flipping the stylus gave a 3 mil stylus for 78rpm shellacs(coarse-groove) and the other, a microgroove stylus for LPs, EPs and singles.
@@neilforbes416 the HMV Mercury came in two other colours grey and black i had the red one of course
Where can one get a replacement rubber anti-slipmat?
I'm sorry I don't know sometimes you can find them on ebay. I lucked out with this one the rubber mat was in incredible shape.
That's really lovely player! Looks nice and sound nice. Where do you get your replacement parts from?
Thanks. I get replacement electronic components from Ebay or CPC Farnells cpc.farnell.com/ as for mechanics It is rare I have to find a replacement. I can usually refurbish or repair parts, on rarer occasions I will have, or find a sacrificial item and use it for good spares.
Do you have a source for low cost cartridges? I paid nearly 40 quid for one to restore my HMV 2013.!
No I wish I knew of a source. I tend to rob good working cartridges off other machines that I haven't got around to restoring yet. I'll come unstuck and end up with a bunch of machines all needing cartridges.
What should one expect to pay for a great example such as this, a HMV 2009 , serviced, recapped, - the full 50+ year service - give or take 50 pounds? Not a car-boot or 'mate's price' - the open market price? I'm not selling, but looking. thanks.
I sold that one in sept/ oct 2016 for £269 It had all its capacitors changed because the tone controls etc were not working and I can’t remember but I almost certainly had to recap the smoothing and valve cathode bypass capacitors. I think now restored to that standard and given there are considerably more caps in it than most for some reason. I would probably hope to get closer to £300 that reflects the work they take I actually have a couple of HMV 2009’s in storage if you are interested at that price. On the other hand if you are interested more in the general period I would normally expect to restore and sell an auto-changer record player for around £170 but they are done with all x2 rated safety capacitors on any path that potentially leads to ground or the chassis and PAT tested of course. I don’t know if you had a look at my other videos but I have a few restorations on there. Dansettes especially the Bermuda command higher prices ..
@@ianwatkin5452 Thanks for the info - I'll look at some of your other videos this evening, I do have a thing for the 2009 - its a great looking 50s player - It something I really want to look into into the spring, - i'll bookmark you! :-)
interesting about the turntable it looks similar to the one that was in the General Electric three in one televison set
I could only find one image online for the GEC Television Record Player console. That one looked to be fitted with a Garrard Autoslim Autochanger, But lots of times manufacturers used different Decks in the same products from time to time so it's quite possible you are right and the ones you have seen had this deck. Heres alink to a youtube video of a Garrard Autoslim th-cam.com/video/LnjKSXDBnwg/w-d-xo.html
Do you not have to worry about anti-scate and traction weight etc with these old players? I has something similar years ago - a handed down 1960s portable with a bag full of old records, Bachelors, Elvis, even a 1963 Benny Hill.. , and also remember my Mum's Decca stereogram and then her Dynatron - never heard a skip. These days you can by a new record for a new record player and need to worry about balance, tracking and anti skate...
These old vintage auto change record players had much lower fidelity than a more modern hi fi turntable and they tracked at much heavy weight (Stylus Pressure / Balance) they still provide a really emotive vinyl experience and despite having very high end hifi turntable myself, I still love to put a stack of 45’s on one of these and listen to it play, brings back great memories and gives me a warm glow. I love the sound and the mechanical sounds of the mechanism and records dropping. Because a modern Hi Fi turntable uses a much finer stylus with much lower stylus pressure (Tracking weight) to perform at their best they need a lot more checks and balances hence tracking force, optimum stylus weight, even the position of the stylus relative to the center of the record and some other factors all make a big difference. Hope that helps to explain it a bit.
@@ianwatkin5452 Thanks Ian - That explains a lot and puts my mind at rest. My journey back into vinyl records and players is to enjoy the music of the era (195X to 1979) as it would have been played and heard then. I've read how a heavy tracking weight can wear down a record but bar accidental damage or poor handling, they seem to have held up pretty well from all those years ago, and have survived many changes in fashion trends and garage/loft isolation. Some examples from my late mothers estate can testiify to this and play incredibly well, despite their 50+ years of age - and I can testify to their many hours of enjoyment/playing through the years. Maybe records were made of sterner stuff in the 50s,60s, and even the 70s.
Ah, a British-made player, judging from the details in the lid showing EMI's British location, Hayes Middlesex, explains also the British copy of "Dance On" by The Shadows. I'm fairly certain my own copy is a British pressing as well. I got it second-hand from a book & record shop in Newcastle, Australia several years ago..
Yes a British player and a British copy of the Shadows.
Those Garrard turntables were also used here in Australia by Kriesler for their console stereo radiograms in the early 1960s.
and general electric as well
General Electric in Australia were associated more with barrel-type vacuum cleaners in the 1950s and 1960s. First time I saw anything in the line of consumer electronics from G.E. was a 12' portable black & white TV set made by them in 1971(when I saw the set, not necessarily when it was made). So if G.E. was making record players here in the 1950s and 1960s, I've personally never caught sight of one.
here's the the discription This is an integrated three-in-one; TV, AM radio and record player, housed in a dark red timber-veneer cabinet. Viewed from the front, the cabinet forms a squat “L” shape, sitting on four legs. The twenty-one inch television is to the left with dials to the right of the screen and the stereophonic Garrard record player to the right. A back-hinged top opening lid covers the record player and storage compartment. The dials for the record player are next to the turntable. The radio-tuner is on the left side of the cabinet. The lower front has cloth mesh covering the stereo speakers. The TV antenna connection and power cord are at the rear. Printed on the perforated rear Masonite panel are the patent and manufacturer’s marks and serial number. Screwed underneath the cabinet, in each corner, are four removable tapered wooden legs with metal dish feet.
my one will not go on wot would be wrong
any help any one
@@adrianoconnor7367Hi Adrian sorry I'm guilty of not checking in often enough when you say it won't go on can you be more specific NO Power , power comes on turntable spins but not sound, etc etc. Is it the same model as mine here
@@ianwatkin5452 yes iot is the same modle mine when plug in blows hoyse main fuse ive change every thing and still does it im thinking when i change the turn table the motor could be wrong thanks for geting back if i had youre aderrsss i cold post it to you i live in ireland
@@ianwatkin5452 can you email me