I've been speculating on what Bluepoint would get up to next after 2 stellar remakes and to find out they put them on a fucking god of war live service game for 5 years is beyond heartbreaking. A talented studio that should have been working on a single player game, A game idea that shouldn't have even been greenlit, and now Bluepoint is delayed to such an extent we might not even see another game from them on PS5. Insane.
I'm hoping maybe Bluepoint Games will get a Bloodborne remake out. That seems like the most logical thing to me as it wouldn't take too long then move on to other remakes like Legend Of Dragoon etc.
i dont know a GOW i could play with friends sounds freaoing great. i didnt even finish Ragnarok. i think GoW has run out of ideas and is boring it needs a shake up@Mrjamjams66
@@drgonzo123 yep, I draw a hard line on gotchas. The best / most predatory gotcha’s are great games for dozens of hours then by the time it’s time to buy you feel like’why not’ and in control, where there are plenty of people who have impulse control issues that chase ruin
@secondchance6603 Helldivers 2 and GT7 are both technically live service, but are great games. Not all of them are slop, but I feel where you’re coming from. I’m not into PvP games in general.
Let’s be honest Jason has been right 20% of the time. I hope Bloomberg confirmed the validity of this “memo” or they may have just funded Sony’s next project. Weird the memo STILL isn’t in Sony’s site. The grift to PC is hilarious😂😂😂
I can't believe they wasted both Bend and Bluepoint's time on this. This especially angers me as a Legend of Dragoon fan, as Bluepoint studios is one of our only hopes of getting a remake. Finding out they instead were having their time wasted on a live service God of War game makes my blood boil.
Problem is it got a 72 on metacritic and journalists bashing the game as, "some generic dude on a motorcycle." I preordered the game and thought it was one of the best zombie games ever. So, because they didn't make that much money Sony didn't approve of a second one.
Shawn stated the same about sony shifting there focus to live service and they need to do it because the cost of developing single player games will end them because they cost too much and the big boss of ceo stated the same last year. They was complaining about spider man 2 marketing alone
@@mareo187Laden shows all the classic signs of a grifter trying to stay relevant by occasionally touting his success & saying only what is popular or accepted by general public. He has never shared a single original thought before people were already making large sounds about it online
@@mareo187yet all they have to do is make smaller games with smaller budgets. That’s how older games that made them successful were built. There’s no sin in making a smaller game
Fortnites success is a blight on industry. Random company turns a AA survival game into a 3 billion a year profit machine. And everyone saw this, abandoned traditional games, and chased the live service dragon. 😮💨
And now Fortnite is dying after the billionaires made more billions. Create something, abandon it, leave ashes in your wake. Capitalism in a nutshell. 🤑
Worse yet with the God of War live service is it just reinforces the fact that Sony is becoming increasingly reliant on their big three original IPs (Last of Us, God of War, Horizon) and seem intent on milking them until the hardcore can't stand the sight of them.
Which is funny because Horizon isn’t even that big. And people are very exhausted on the Last of Us and clearly moved on. Only God of War is a timeless IP that carries some significant weight. So if they truly have this as their plan then I think Playstation might be done for before Xbox even. It’s that tone-deaf.
@@mikev8746I don't know why people keep trying to underplay the horizon series, the franchise has sold over 32m copies. How people like you can just casually say that isn't big is hilarious to me
I don't know a single person that has played Horizon. I have no idea who the hell is playing that game because I never see anyone play it or talk about it ever.
You would think companies would understand trend chasing with products that can take five to seven years to create is a bad idea. Especially in a world where trends can change from year to year.
Bluepoint should be remaking Killzone 2 & 3 and combining the multiplayer of both. Bend should be making a new Uncharted since they made Golden Abyss or a new Syphon Filter.
The biggest problem with AAA right now is that these studios are being told to make games that NO ONE asked for. There are so many good ideas and they just choose the worst ideas ever possible. The second is that these studios opt for UE5 which ends up just being a complete mess when it comes to delivering smooth gameplay.
Playstation has completely WASTED Sony Bend's time for 4+ years. And what's worse is that there is no back up projects, they have to start up from square one. There first game was a single player game yet wanted them to make a live service GOW? They're being mishandled. Btw there's a reason Insomniac is leading PS, they actually have variety in there games (weather you like the games or not), and there consistent too.
We do not want live service games, we do not want micro-transactions, we do not want 2 million shooters a year. The problem with games these days is that they're greedy and try to do the same crap time after time. This is exactly why Elden Ring dominated in sales, it was a pure, good and fun video game. Signed, a gamer from 1979
Tell that to the NPC's who keep buying into that slop. There are so many people who just don't care about that stuff and that is the reason why the companies keep getting away with this shit.
Complaining about doing the same thing over and over again but touting elden ring is hilarious. Elden ring copy and pasted itself within its own game a shit load aside from being the 500th souls game since dark souls 1.
@bruhshkebabs What are you talking about? People are buying single player games over live service abs they have nothing to do with publishers trying to make more live service when 8 out of the 12 Sony ones face flopped or been canceled.
As a life long Sony fan, this is super disappointing. Bluepoint could’ve remade one of the many PS3 hits that are stuck in cell hell! We would love a Resistance remake or Killzone 2 or Socom!
Maybe canceling the GOW live service was a smart idea being it's a single player experience not an online one. Remember what happened with rocksteady studio where they changed their games from single player to live service?
A pony on Threads kept screaming at me "who buys a console for old games" when I was talking about the backwards compatibility of the Xbox and the way they boost fps and resolution for free. Now PlayStation is begging them go buy old games so they afford to make new games. 😂😂😂😂 That guy may not make it to summer at this rate. 🙏🏾👼🏾
Mind you, I don't feel bad for PlayStation fans. They celebrate when Sony wastes money on third party games that would have been on their platform for free, just to keep them off other platforms. They celebrate console sales, while not supporting any of the exclusives. These games are expensive but the grand majority don't sell more than 2 million copies with 60+ million consoles in circulation. And when their games are getting cancelled they're saying it's a great thing and celebrating while writing "Xbox is dead" articles. They deserve what they get.
Sony announced in 2022 they planned to have 12 live service games up and running by end of 2025. 1 being Helldiver, launched. 9 of them have been cancelled. Of those 9, Sony thought Concord was the only one worth pushing to release.
• Concord • Unannounced God of War game • The Last of Us multiplayer • Spider-Man 2 multiplayer • Bend Studio multiplayer • Twisted Metal (Firesprite) • London Studio's co-op game (studio closed) • Deviation Games' MP game • "Payback" (3rd person Destiny spin-off from Bungie)
@@pse2020 I forgot about that one when I commented, so 12 games, 9 cancelled, 1 successful (to a degree) and 2 that should be cancelled 😂 really confirms the lay of the land that gamers do not want more live service games unless they are something special!
This whole live service push has been painful to watch. It feels like live service is the gatcha machine for C suite execs where they pull the lever and hope to win big, don’t, and then pull the lever again bc they’re in the high of dollar signs in their eyes, knowing there’s a chance the super rare prize will pop That said, if rumors of a Feb state of play are true, I hope and pray they are smart enough not to lead with Marathon or Fairgame$ or gummy bears or god forbid, the horizon mp game bc in the wake of this story it would be a bloodbath. They need to market to their core fan base with the games that built their brand identity like ghost of yotei or death stranding 2 or what have you I genuinely want things like the horizon mp game to succeed, especially if it came from a passionate team with an idea they genuinely wanted to pursue (which is likely the case given HZD was originally kicked around as a co op game in the brainstorming phase), but to market something like that in the wake of this tremendously awful story breaking and the Goliath that is MH Wilds about to detonate, it would be another game dead on arrival bc the community would rally behind defeating it rather than championing it. Long rant full of tangents, but sometimes you just gotta let that beast out Also: Ty to the editor, appreciate the behind the scenes magic
Saddest part is that The Last of Us Online live service game would have probably done well especially if it was like the Division 2 but set in the The Last of Us universe also Days Gone 2 would have been the right choice for Bend, like Sony you would have them make a Live Service games over Days Gone 2 is crazy
Agreed. The Last of Us Online game would've been an organic live service attempt. The multiplayer for TLOU1 was pretty popular back then, so adapting it into live service would've felt like a natural evolution on the formula. And I'm still salty over Days Gone. That game deserved better and was screwed over by Sony.
I can see a multiplayer God of War game that mostly focus on co-op as a separate mode(aka Valhalla ), but trying to make it a live service is really confusing, like if you want to use an existing ips for live service they can use Killzone or Resistance(both can be expand on the lore).
I'm pissed that instead of having Bluepoint work on a remaster of the original GOW games, Sony had them working on some Live Service slop that nobody wants. What a waste of time and resources. So sick of this from Sony.
I feel like people forget that all of these live service desicisions were made quite a while ago. We're just now seeing them come to the forefront due to the length of modern dev cycles. Back when these decisions were initally made these projects probably sounded like a goldmine. They were also made during the Jim Ryan era which is officially over now. You'd think most people would be happy, they're moving away from that initial push.
Fr, concord, as much as ppl hate it, wasn't made in a day or even in 1 year, it was most likely years in the making when Jim Ryan was still at Sony pushing these live service games, and they couldn't just scrap everything, so they kinda have to finish what they started with SOME games. This is so obvious but matty would rather not bring it up if it means dunking more on Sony lol
People aren't mad that they got cancelled. People are mad at all the time and resources that were wasted doing this instead making games that will actually see the light of day.
@OneRandomVictory yeah. And yet it doesn't change that. We've known about the decision to make and then cancel most of these games for like 2 years now. What's gonna happen next year when they announce they're still canceling the games we know they're canceling. We gonna hop on here and pretend we didn't know this was happening? Make youtube videos acting shocked and hurt. The only reason they didn't cancel every game at the same time is cuz it sounds better to cancel 2 games every few months Than to just yeet 10 games in a year.
I did not even bought the last God Of War - Ragnarok on the PC, because of that mandatory PSN account. I simply refuse to use a useless account for a single player game. It's not needed, I don't want it, and I do not longer care about that game. Say what you want about a game like Starfield or the latest Dragon age and more of these, but those game did not need any account or "protection" to be able to run them. The same goes for that whole "live service" stupidity. It only means you are not able to play the bloody game if you are not logged in. The only "service" in those games is all you personal info you have to give as a "service" to Sony, and you get nothing in return. Well - I don't need such a bloody "service". In short - Those games where canceled, and the only thing I can say about that is: "GREAT" - We don't need that garbage! And also take that PC garbage mandatory PSN account on single player games down with it please - Thank you very much.
Oh boohoo! Its free you moron and I GUARANTEE you have other free accounts just like PSN. Quit complaining just b/c you have to sign up for a free account to play a game. The game is 100% worth it. I cant stand people like you who think they are superior to FREE accounts.
It's almost as if Sony didn't see God of War's single player succes as a proof that single player games sell and then to make more of them, but rather aimed to boost the IP so that people would more easily buy into a live service game.
"Oh no, looks like we have to make entertainment products appeal to people" -Sony, about entertainment, the thing that makes money when it appeals to people
Also, haven't Halo fans been dying for a game like Helldivers 2? Heck, that game was the imagination of every kid on the planet at some point, that's already some major potential appeal, of course it would have been given a chance by many action gamers. Most certainly should've been anticipated to be a hit, crazy to think they'd be so blind to its very obvious potential
Hey Matty, I hope you're doing well. Are you going to do a video covering Rebel Wolves' newly announced The Blood of the Dawnwalker? It's a vampire RPG being helmed by the director of The Witcher 3. It sounds good so far and I'm awaiting the coming gameplay reveal this summer.
Now they have to reset and start their next project from scratch. It will be another 5-6 years before we get anything from Bend or BluePoint. PS6 anyone?
"But surely it will be a success if WE try it!" Literally every corporation right before they throw hundreds of millions of dollars and years of effort right down the toilet.
I was so pissed off when I heard this news. Bluepoint and Bend Studios could have been working on amazing things. Here we are, this far into the console generation and the only PS5 exclusive that was a brand new IP, had a solid budget and is worth a damn is Returnal. Every other PS5 exclusive is a super safe sequel or prequel or remake or remaster or an indie game or AA with far less budget.
Totally agree with you on this Matty, I'm turning 40 this year, and all I can say is what a timeline were going through. The wrong people are in charge of these gaming companies. You can see there is no passion left, or minimal amounts left out there. Focusing on infinite growth in anything gives us these results, and I'm tired of getting modicrity due to greed. This greed also keeps the passionate and talented devs unseen. My gaming pc and my psvr2 has pretty much kept me going this gen. No mans sky on psvr2 was my most played this year, such an amazing experience. Great video Matty, keep the logic flowing man, gaming needs it. I hope this correction from Sony is the last and they get refocusd fast in realizing what got them where they are today. The waste of time is the biggest shame of all, all the time and talent and work the devs pumped out for nothing I guess. 🍻
It's good that Concord's failure has made them see sense, but you can't help but think they've wasted so much development time that could've been spent elsewhere. I think we'll see more publishing deals with funding games for partner studios as they did with Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Helldivers, Death Stranding etc. in the coming years to plug the gaps.
All these projects was gree lit years ago... If they pulled the brake after concord, the impact of that brake will take awhile to have an impact... They wasted money, talent and potential epic singelplayer games for this shit... Only Helldivers have worked for them and they almost killed it. Sony has lost the plot.
@@hihihi1q23 Exactly my point. It has nothing to do with it being a live service title. You only think that because you hear it over and over and regurgitate it. It's just people kicking the can down the road to avoid talking about the real issues, the same way they all said it failed because it was bad timing for a hero shooter, and then Deadlock and Marvel Rivals came out. Concord, in any form, would not have sold a dime.
Sony is really, really frustrating me. I adored Demons Soups Remake, and now I have to wait years more because of some failed idea that was clearly never going to work. Do you know who just doesn’t make this mistake? Nintendo. The only thing anywhere close to this Metroid Prime 4, and they made good on that one anyway.
What else could Bluepoint work on? They have no game directors or game designers. Their main job was to remaster and remake games, but they have already done the most wanted remakes and remasters.
@byte-bg4ob Nah, there are still a bunch of remakes/remasters to be made. From Sly and Jack'n Dexter to Killzone and Syphon Filter, or even the first God of War games... tons of old IPs could use a decent "remaster" treatment. Saddly, we won't be seeing those any time soon I'd wager 😔
@byte-bg4ob Bloodborne remake, God of war 1, 2, ghost of Sparta, or chains of Olympus remake, legend of dragoon remake, jak and daxter remake. I could go on but I think you got the idea
As a PS fan since PS3 I feel betrayed by Sony, I bought all the way into the PS5 because of the "only on Playstation", now they bring all those games to PC: Ghost of Tsushima, LoU, HZD, GoW, Stellar Blade, Final Fantasy Rebirth, Ratchet and Clank. They raise prices of PS Plus without adding value, I am moving to PC next generation and IDGAF about AstroBot its like I am playing an advert.
If we get one genuine executive up top who actually plays video games at these companies 80% of the entire industry would be better. Any gamer can spot a bad game at a glimpse.
Shit you not, Was scrolling reddit on a second monitor while Matty was talking. Heard God of War Live service game, I stop the video, rewind and made sure I heard that right. Then when I did, I just froze in place, just stunned what I just heard. What the Hell...
They will never do that because a lot of those banned countries are dictatorships as a fact. Sony doesn't want to sell or operate in those countries. Like it or not, Sony doesn't have an obligation to sell their products within countries that don't respect basic human rights.
Wait, you guys don't think a live service hero shooter where we ALL play as Kratos because Kratos is the only hero sounds fun? Make that game. It would be hilarious.
You know what? I am more and more starting to think that the whole statement that the videogames industry is bigger than the movies industry is just a matter of technicality we tell ourselves to feel better. Like how Mufasa allegedly beat Sonic because Mufasa sold more... but Sonic was cheaper to make. I mean if the industry was really as big as we claim, then like Marvel they should be able to pump out AAA games by the BOATLOAD instead of ONE game taking bloody 5 years to make. Videogames have absolutely no business taking that long to make, because again, if the industry is really as big as we claim... hire more people to make them quicker? And I'm not saying that because I am impatient to get the next game or that I want a rush-job. But the movie industry wouldn't survive if each movie took 5-7 years to make.
If game sales were covering the cost of Sony's single player movie type games with no multiplayer, then Sony wouldn't be going down this route. Keep in mind Sony could afford to use them as loss leaders for the PS5 because they were primarily optimized for and simultaneously released on the PS4. However, now that these titles have to be PS5 titles while the costs and development times have gone up drastically in the last half a decade or so, it has become unsustainable. Sony relies mainly on software but when you've got no software to sell, and it sells at a loss when it does, that's a problem. That's why they've gone down the PvP route as a desperate attempt to cash in short term, by aquiring Bungie, making stuff like Concord, and releasing them as day one launch titles (Marathon) on the Xbox. These are not the actions of a company comfortable with their money, quite the opposite.
Bruh, cost of production has gone up because salaries have went up because inflations has increased. Everyone is strugglung to make money, from corporate greed trying to keep the profit train (smh) to people just trying take make a living. All industries are suffering.
who even still cares about what sony thinks? ps5pro costs the same as starter pc with same power... there is no longer "i buy console becouse its cheaper" games are much cheaper, you dont need some subscription to keep playing, so you are saving money in the long run too... just stop being a console slave and become the pc master
Part of the problem with these live-service games and Sony's initiative is that you have teams that should have no business with live-service games after having worked a lifetime with single-player games, and it takes focus away from those efforts. And sure, sometimes you'll be lucky and successful, but as we've seen, the live-service model is not the 100% success they all want it to be. And often it will take studios out when they crash and burn. Stop forcing studios to do something it isn't comfortable doing!
I think the cancellations is a good thing, the problem was Jim ryan asking 12 live service games, the new guys are fixing things. Obviusly is sad for the studios
I’ve thought about this for years, When one company, Xbox or PlayStation, falters, the other one is picking up the slack. Xbox went hard for years with so many games on the 360 until the Kinect really slowed them down. Then PS finally started getting games out! I knew back when during lockdown when they said they were gonna do a lot of live service, that they’ll fall behind in releases and Xbox will be having a string of games! And look what’s happening.
Cancelling the games was the right move but Sony needs to make sure both teams are supported as they switch to better projects. Its only 2 years tho. Bluepoint went at the beginning of the gen. Generations are defined by the games and the PS5 has had a helluva library.
Looking at the likes of Ghost of Tushmia which a had a 60 million budget and sold 10 million on playstation and 3 million on PC if it came to Xbox around the time it came on launch it could hit the 20 million mark. The issue is when you have games like Last of us 2 and HFW with 200plus million Budgets you need to be doing Elden Ring, RDR2, AC, Witcher 3 and Skyrim Type Numbers. Although PlayStation has a large player base, very few people are actually core gamers.
I don't understand Playstation gamers. I want to say who plays the same game over and over again, single player game but "PS gamers do". I do understand , " it's money".
So Jim Ryan was actually not that bad. Because of him we got games like Stellar blade. It was a great idea to let Shu handle the indie side of Playstation.
I don't hate the idea of them doing live service but I hate the way they went about it. How about instead of making every studio try to do one and then buying multiple studios to do the same, they did something moderate like 3 live service games.
Sony will never succeed at Live Service because they don't support multiple platforms. They are selfish, and want everyone to buy into their closed ecosystem as if they are Apple fans. If a game is only sold on one console; a Playstation, or maybe Steam as well - then that game is available *to less than half of all gamers*. There are billions of gamers who don't own a Playstation and never will, likewise with Steam despite it being hosted on open platforms like Windows or Linux. The way to be successful at live service is to support every platform. That's it.
They got killzone for a multiplayer live service game , which they could tap into !!! For a survival style ( metro , stalker , style ) they have resistance fall of man . And gran turismo . Those 3 could be successful live service games imo . If the content is good enough . They don’t need 12 ls games though 🤷🏻♂️
GT launched having to buy microtransactions just to get decent cars, don't act like they didn't already milk that franchise. And added it after reviews
I've been speculating on what Bluepoint would get up to next after 2 stellar remakes and to find out they put them on a fucking god of war live service game for 5 years is beyond heartbreaking. A talented studio that should have been working on a single player game, A game idea that shouldn't have even been greenlit, and now Bluepoint is delayed to such an extent we might not even see another game from them on PS5. Insane.
I'm hoping maybe Bluepoint Games will get a Bloodborne remake out. That seems like the most logical thing to me as it wouldn't take too long then move on to other remakes like Legend Of Dragoon etc.
Maybe I'm crazy but a "Live Service God of War" doesn't even sound good to me.
I know, how genuinely idiotic
@@Mrjamjams66 you think you sound crazy for sharing the general opinion?
i dont know a GOW i could play with friends sounds freaoing great. i didnt even finish Ragnarok. i think GoW has run out of ideas and is boring it needs a shake up@Mrjamjams66
Live service gold rush has been such a corporate circle jerk, such a disconnect
And they still think it's a good idea to do! Thats the worse part!
@ right, their lesson learned is they should have worked live service or micro transactions into more successful single player games smh
I fear gotcha will be the next good rush.
@@drgonzo123 yep, I draw a hard line on gotchas. The best / most predatory gotcha’s are great games for dozens of hours then by the time it’s time to buy you feel like’why not’ and in control, where there are plenty of people who have impulse control issues that chase ruin
@secondchance6603 Helldivers 2 and GT7 are both technically live service, but are great games. Not all of them are slop, but I feel where you’re coming from. I’m not into PvP games in general.
Let's be honest, Sony deserves this
And more, they deserve everything thats coming to them. Same with the rest of these western slop studios and gaming giants.
Consequences for their actions?
Who doesn’t deserve those exactly?
Yep the fans are turning a blind eye tho
Let’s be honest Jason has been right 20% of the time. I hope Bloomberg confirmed the validity of this “memo” or they may have just funded Sony’s next project. Weird the memo STILL isn’t in Sony’s site. The grift to PC is hilarious😂😂😂
@ I just said everyone deserves consequences for their actions. What are you on about?
I can't believe they wasted both Bend and Bluepoint's time on this. This especially angers me as a Legend of Dragoon fan, as Bluepoint studios is one of our only hopes of getting a remake. Finding out they instead were having their time wasted on a live service God of War game makes my blood boil.
No one is remaking legend of dragoon lol idk how thats seen as even a remote possibility
@@Mantrahiroshima Youd be surprised Sony runs sales on it CONSTANTLY on the store along with some of their other titles.
@Mantrahiroshima they did it with Final Fantasy 7??? Why could they not do a Legend of Dragoon??? 🤔
@@INVINCIBLE117X cause legend of the dragoon was a comparative failure compared to FF7
@@INVINCIBLE117X
Lmao ff7 is one of the most iconic games ever made.
Sony cannot read the room. Bend should be making Days Gone 2
Problem is it got a 72 on metacritic and journalists bashing the game as, "some generic dude on a motorcycle." I preordered the game and thought it was one of the best zombie games ever. So, because they didn't make that much money Sony didn't approve of a second one.
@Matt-uv7mc it was very mid game that's why
Days Gone is one of my favorite gaming experiences as well. Needs a sequel.
I’d wager Sony can’t even read
Syphon Filter reboot
Yoshida had the balls to say what shawn laden wouldn't
What did he say?
Shawn stated the same about sony shifting there focus to live service and they need to do it because the cost of developing single player games will end them because they cost too much and the big boss of ceo stated the same last year. They was complaining about spider man 2 marketing alone
@@mareo187Laden shows all the classic signs of a grifter trying to stay relevant by occasionally touting his success & saying only what is popular or accepted by general public. He has never shared a single original thought before people were already making large sounds about it online
@@mareo187yet all they have to do is make smaller games with smaller budgets. That’s how older games that made them successful were built. There’s no sin in making a smaller game
@@hasankhan2902brain rot comment. Maybe formulate your opinions better next time
Sony needs to lose more money Concord wasn't enough.
Fortnites success is a blight on industry.
Random company turns a AA survival game into a 3 billion a year profit machine.
And everyone saw this, abandoned traditional games, and chased the live service dragon. 😮💨
Ever hear of pubg? Mobile games they gave fortnite the idea
World of Tanks, many more
And now Fortnite is dying after the billionaires made more billions. Create something, abandon it, leave ashes in your wake. Capitalism in a nutshell. 🤑
@@metallicafan416It's even older than PUBG, it was an ARMA mod that started it.
Random company you know they created the unreal engine right? And they made the first 3 gears of war games right 😂 hardly random.
Worse yet with the God of War live service is it just reinforces the fact that Sony is becoming increasingly reliant on their big three original IPs (Last of Us, God of War, Horizon) and seem intent on milking them until the hardcore can't stand the sight of them.
Which is funny because Horizon isn’t even that big. And people are very exhausted on the Last of Us and clearly moved on. Only God of War is a timeless IP that carries some significant weight. So if they truly have this as their plan then I think Playstation might be done for before Xbox even. It’s that tone-deaf.
Much like Xbox with Halo and Forza
@@mikev8746I don't know why people keep trying to underplay the horizon series, the franchise has sold over 32m copies. How people like you can just casually say that isn't big is hilarious to me
I don't know a single person that has played Horizon. I have no idea who the hell is playing that game because I never see anyone play it or talk about it ever.
What's the problem with that? Nintendo pretty much only does this.
You would think companies would understand trend chasing with products that can take five to seven years to create is a bad idea. Especially in a world where trends can change from year to year.
You'd get a better rate of return if they had just taken those millions to the casino and put it all on black
Always bet on black
Better odds! 👍 lol.
Bluepoint should be remaking Killzone 2 & 3 and combining the multiplayer of both. Bend should be making a new Uncharted since they made Golden Abyss or a new Syphon Filter.
BRO!!!!!! I would pay so much money for a SYPHON FILTER REBOOT!!!! 😮
The biggest problem with AAA right now is that these studios are being told to make games that NO ONE asked for. There are so many good ideas and they just choose the worst ideas ever possible. The second is that these studios opt for UE5 which ends up just being a complete mess when it comes to delivering smooth gameplay.
Playstation has completely WASTED Sony Bend's time for 4+ years. And what's worse is that there is no back up projects, they have to start up from square one.
There first game was a single player game yet wanted them to make a live service GOW? They're being mishandled.
Btw there's a reason Insomniac is leading PS, they actually have variety in there games (weather you like the games or not), and there consistent too.
You dont know that. They probably had another game in development.
Absolutely wild that we almost got a God of War live-service game… that’s a very bad thing dodged… NOBODY was asking for that.
I cant even imagine how that would even work as a concept lol
@@BrokenMessiah1 And thank goodness we don't have to now, lol.
We do not want live service games, we do not want micro-transactions, we do not want 2 million shooters a year. The problem with games these days is that they're greedy and try to do the same crap time after time. This is exactly why Elden Ring dominated in sales, it was a pure, good and fun video game.
Signed, a gamer from 1979
Personally could care less if I ever see a souls like again, talking about played out. Haven't played 1 since Sekiro and probably 50 made since then
Tell that to the NPC's who keep buying into that slop. There are so many people who just don't care about that stuff and that is the reason why the companies keep getting away with this shit.
@metallicafan416 loved Sekrio was not a fan of Elden Ring.
Complaining about doing the same thing over and over again but touting elden ring is hilarious. Elden ring copy and pasted itself within its own game a shit load aside from being the 500th souls game since dark souls 1.
@bruhshkebabs What are you talking about? People are buying single player games over live service abs they have nothing to do with publishers trying to make more live service when 8 out of the 12 Sony ones face flopped or been canceled.
As a life long Sony fan, this is super disappointing. Bluepoint could’ve remade one of the many PS3 hits that are stuck in cell hell! We would love a Resistance remake or Killzone 2 or Socom!
As a lifelong PlayStation fan. Yes, they absolutely have. I am now very afraid that Santa Monica’s new IP is a live service
PS4 era was fantastic. Too bad fumbled their goodwill.
Steam....Steam.... 💨
@@Bert-og9rkEvery era of PlayStation has been great. Now their success has ruined them smh
Maybe canceling the GOW live service was a smart idea being it's a single player experience not an online one. Remember what happened with rocksteady studio where they changed their games from single player to live service?
Canceling both games was definitely a great move, but the issue is that they should've never been green-lit in the first place.
For sure... But what moron thought.... God of war would be so good as a live service.... When 2018 won goty wtf...
The problem comes from the time lost. We may not even see a new game from these two devs before this generation ends.
classic case of studio mismanagement
A pony on Threads kept screaming at me "who buys a console for old games" when I was talking about the backwards compatibility of the Xbox and the way they boost fps and resolution for free. Now PlayStation is begging them go buy old games so they afford to make new games. 😂😂😂😂 That guy may not make it to summer at this rate. 🙏🏾👼🏾
Mind you, I don't feel bad for PlayStation fans. They celebrate when Sony wastes money on third party games that would have been on their platform for free, just to keep them off other platforms. They celebrate console sales, while not supporting any of the exclusives. These games are expensive but the grand majority don't sell more than 2 million copies with 60+ million consoles in circulation. And when their games are getting cancelled they're saying it's a great thing and celebrating while writing "Xbox is dead" articles. They deserve what they get.
Bring back Resistance, killzone, socom navy seals, maximo, jak and daxter.
Why? So they can only sell a million copies or less? Have you even checked the sales numbers on those games?
@ I don’t share bank accounts with sony. Why should i care how much it sells?
@@xMACHOxMANx because you wouldn't say things like bring killzone back and such. They need to make money.
@@ps5blows317 Hey guess what. I still said what i said and i still don’t care 🙂
@@ps5blows317 And yet i still said it and i still don’t care.
Sony announced in 2022 they planned to have 12 live service games up and running by end of 2025. 1 being Helldiver, launched. 9 of them have been cancelled. Of those 9, Sony thought Concord was the only one worth pushing to release.
• Concord
• Unannounced God of War game
• The Last of Us multiplayer
• Spider-Man 2 multiplayer
• Bend Studio multiplayer
• Twisted Metal (Firesprite)
• London Studio's co-op game (studio closed)
• Deviation Games' MP game
• "Payback" (3rd person Destiny spin-off from Bungie)
And they are still pushing forward with Fairgame$ 💀 at least they cancelled the others mentioned above because NO ONE wanted them at all lol
But they still going with horizon live service... Those who love horizon never said plz give us a live service horizon... Another major flop incoming.
@@pse2020 I forgot about that one when I commented, so 12 games, 9 cancelled, 1 successful (to a degree) and 2 that should be cancelled 😂 really confirms the lay of the land that gamers do not want more live service games unless they are something special!
@@ScottyDo3sntKnow Fairgame$ is known to be infested with woke - therefore dead on arrival,.
Current Sony wouldn't allow a Remake of God of War without MASSIVE amounts of censorship.
the golden era for playsration was the PS2.
PS1 and PS2, both.
I’d add the ps3 too.
@@spoiledsalad1851 Just say the purely japanese era of Playstation. It's the same then.
This whole live service push has been painful to watch. It feels like live service is the gatcha machine for C suite execs where they pull the lever and hope to win big, don’t, and then pull the lever again bc they’re in the high of dollar signs in their eyes, knowing there’s a chance the super rare prize will pop
That said, if rumors of a Feb state of play are true, I hope and pray they are smart enough not to lead with Marathon or Fairgame$ or gummy bears or god forbid, the horizon mp game bc in the wake of this story it would be a bloodbath. They need to market to their core fan base with the games that built their brand identity like ghost of yotei or death stranding 2 or what have you
I genuinely want things like the horizon mp game to succeed, especially if it came from a passionate team with an idea they genuinely wanted to pursue (which is likely the case given HZD was originally kicked around as a co op game in the brainstorming phase), but to market something like that in the wake of this tremendously awful story breaking and the Goliath that is MH Wilds about to detonate, it would be another game dead on arrival bc the community would rally behind defeating it rather than championing it. Long rant full of tangents, but sometimes you just gotta let that beast out
Also: Ty to the editor, appreciate the behind the scenes magic
Saddest part is that The Last of Us Online live service game would have probably done well especially if it was like the Division 2 but set in the The Last of Us universe also Days Gone 2 would have been the right choice for Bend, like Sony you would have them make a Live Service games over Days Gone 2 is crazy
Agreed. The Last of Us Online game would've been an organic live service attempt. The multiplayer for TLOU1 was pretty popular back then, so adapting it into live service would've felt like a natural evolution on the formula.
And I'm still salty over Days Gone. That game deserved better and was screwed over by Sony.
Did y'all actually like Days Gone that much? I hated it and so did most critics, I believe.
In short, yes.
They need to STOP listening to the shareholders and START listening _to their fans._
Totally agree. Unfortunate, big money is destroying the gaming industry.
@@JasperOosterveldain't about big money, Sony is struggling financially
I can see a multiplayer God of War game that mostly focus on co-op as a separate mode(aka Valhalla ), but trying to make it a live service is really confusing, like if you want to use an existing ips for live service they can use Killzone or Resistance(both can be expand on the lore).
Jim ryan torpedoed the entire ps5 generation. Expect nothing new from these developers til PS6
I'm pissed that instead of having Bluepoint work on a remaster of the original GOW games, Sony had them working on some Live Service slop that nobody wants. What a waste of time and resources. So sick of this from Sony.
PlayStation have let this generation slip away from them. It’s been so mild from a 1st and 2nd party perspective
It's a good thing Microsoft sudoku'd themselves otherwise PlayStation wouldn't be the dominant console, aside from the Switch that is.
Until we actually get a new rival for Playstation it's a wrap they dotn really have to put effort in cause they have Zero competition now
@@neko_3851 xbox has been pretty fun this gen though
It truly is impressive when you think about it, and they still aren’t the worst lol
Short answer: YES
Long answer: Sony thinks they are Apple
I feel like people forget that all of these live service desicisions were made quite a while ago. We're just now seeing them come to the forefront due to the length of modern dev cycles. Back when these decisions were initally made these projects probably sounded like a goldmine. They were also made during the Jim Ryan era which is officially over now. You'd think most people would be happy, they're moving away from that initial push.
Engagement. We knew most of the games were gonna get cancelled. There's gonna be more cancelations. They gonna make another video every time tho.
Fr, concord, as much as ppl hate it, wasn't made in a day or even in 1 year, it was most likely years in the making when Jim Ryan was still at Sony pushing these live service games, and they couldn't just scrap everything, so they kinda have to finish what they started with SOME games. This is so obvious but matty would rather not bring it up if it means dunking more on Sony lol
People aren't mad that they got cancelled. People are mad at all the time and resources that were wasted doing this instead making games that will actually see the light of day.
@OneRandomVictory yeah. And yet it doesn't change that. We've known about the decision to make and then cancel most of these games for like 2 years now. What's gonna happen next year when they announce they're still canceling the games we know they're canceling. We gonna hop on here and pretend we didn't know this was happening? Make youtube videos acting shocked and hurt. The only reason they didn't cancel every game at the same time is cuz it sounds better to cancel 2 games every few months Than to just yeet 10 games in a year.
I did not even bought the last God Of War - Ragnarok on the PC, because of that mandatory PSN account. I simply refuse to use a useless account for a single player game. It's not needed, I don't want it, and I do not longer care about that game. Say what you want about a game like Starfield or the latest Dragon age and more of these, but those game did not need any account or "protection" to be able to run them.
The same goes for that whole "live service" stupidity. It only means you are not able to play the bloody game if you are not logged in. The only "service" in those games is all you personal info you have to give as a "service" to Sony, and you get nothing in return. Well - I don't need such a bloody "service".
In short - Those games where canceled, and the only thing I can say about that is: "GREAT" - We don't need that garbage! And also take that PC garbage mandatory PSN account on single player games down with it please - Thank you very much.
Oh boohoo! Its free you moron and I GUARANTEE you have other free accounts just like PSN. Quit complaining just b/c you have to sign up for a free account to play a game. The game is 100% worth it. I cant stand people like you who think they are superior to FREE accounts.
We could have had days gone 2 😢 🤦♂️
Herman Hulst is an absolute fool. He's gonna run Playstation into the ground.
These were decisions made under Jack Ryan.
He just isn't helping the situation
@@rensten4893 Jim Ryan
It's almost as if Sony didn't see God of War's single player succes as a proof that single player games sell and then to make more of them, but rather aimed to boost the IP so that people would more easily buy into a live service game.
You keep me updated on all gaming news! Love all the videos this week🎉
When you realise that game dev CEO's on 100k+ a year are basically a bunch of amateurs throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks
Matty if you read this, do a tier list for all the announced games for 2025.
"Oh no, looks like we have to make entertainment products appeal to people" -Sony, about entertainment, the thing that makes money when it appeals to people
Also, haven't Halo fans been dying for a game like Helldivers 2? Heck, that game was the imagination of every kid on the planet at some point, that's already some major potential appeal, of course it would have been given a chance by many action gamers. Most certainly should've been anticipated to be a hit, crazy to think they'd be so blind to its very obvious potential
Yes did you guys forget about Concord?
Hey Matty, I hope you're doing well. Are you going to do a video covering Rebel Wolves' newly announced The Blood of the Dawnwalker? It's a vampire RPG being helmed by the director of The Witcher 3. It sounds good so far and I'm awaiting the coming gameplay reveal this summer.
Now they have to reset and start their next project from scratch. It will be another 5-6 years before we get anything from Bend or BluePoint. PS6 anyone?
Jim ryan effect be like that
"But surely it will be a success if WE try it!"
Literally every corporation right before they throw hundreds of millions of dollars and years of effort right down the toilet.
Matty I’ve always really appreciated your videos! Keep up the good work!
It boggles my mind that they thought this was a good idea
I was so pissed off when I heard this news. Bluepoint and Bend Studios could have been working on amazing things. Here we are, this far into the console generation and the only PS5 exclusive that was a brand new IP, had a solid budget and is worth a damn is Returnal.
Every other PS5 exclusive is a super safe sequel or prequel or remake or remaster or an indie game or AA with far less budget.
Returnal, Astro bot, Intergalactic, and Sony Santa Monica's new IP that's most likely getting revealed this year is not safe at all.
@byte-bg4ob Astro Bot Rescue Mission was on the PS4. So...technically not a new IP
Stellar blade
@zappbrannigan4170 Stellar Blade isn't "stellar"...come on...
As a largely Playstation gamer I have to say "Yes. Yes they have. 😑".
Totally agree with you on this Matty, I'm turning 40 this year, and all I can say is what a timeline were going through.
The wrong people are in charge of these gaming companies. You can see there is no passion left, or minimal amounts left out there. Focusing on infinite growth in anything gives us these results, and I'm tired of getting modicrity due to greed. This greed also keeps the passionate and talented devs unseen.
My gaming pc and my psvr2 has pretty much kept me going this gen. No mans sky on psvr2 was my most played this year, such an amazing experience.
Great video Matty, keep the logic flowing man, gaming needs it.
I hope this correction from Sony is the last and they get refocusd fast in realizing what got them where they are today.
The waste of time is the biggest shame of all, all the time and talent and work the devs pumped out for nothing I guess. 🍻
coming from a blackhawks fan./ im sorry you like the rangers this year, our pain is shared
Sabres fan here. The trinity of sadness this season
@ we suffer together ❤️ LOL
It's good that Concord's failure has made them see sense, but you can't help but think they've wasted so much development time that could've been spent elsewhere.
I think we'll see more publishing deals with funding games for partner studios as they did with Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Helldivers, Death Stranding etc. in the coming years to plug the gaps.
They won't learn the right lessons from Concord.
@@asdadsgsaadasf6043 Sure they have. That's why they cancelled a bunch of live service titles.
All these projects was gree lit years ago... If they pulled the brake after concord, the impact of that brake will take awhile to have an impact... They wasted money, talent and potential epic singelplayer games for this shit... Only Helldivers have worked for them and they almost killed it. Sony has lost the plot.
@@pse2020 Helldivers is doing fine, it's still more than 50k concurrent on average. Probably another 20-30k concurrent on console.
@@hihihi1q23 Exactly my point. It has nothing to do with it being a live service title. You only think that because you hear it over and over and regurgitate it. It's just people kicking the can down the road to avoid talking about the real issues, the same way they all said it failed because it was bad timing for a hero shooter, and then Deadlock and Marvel Rivals came out.
Concord, in any form, would not have sold a dime.
correction they never had minds
Sony is really, really frustrating me. I adored Demons Soups Remake, and now I have to wait years more because of some failed idea that was clearly never going to work.
Do you know who just doesn’t make this mistake? Nintendo. The only thing anywhere close to this Metroid Prime 4, and they made good on that one anyway.
What else could Bluepoint work on? They have no game directors or game designers. Their main job was to remaster and remake games, but they have already done the most wanted remakes and remasters.
@byte-bg4ob Nah, there are still a bunch of remakes/remasters to be made.
From Sly and Jack'n Dexter to Killzone and Syphon Filter, or even the first God of War games... tons of old IPs could use a decent "remaster" treatment.
Saddly, we won't be seeing those any time soon I'd wager 😔
@byte-bg4ob Bloodborne remake, God of war 1, 2, ghost of Sparta, or chains of Olympus remake, legend of dragoon remake, jak and daxter remake. I could go on but I think you got the idea
Shoutout to Dan. All my homies love Dan.
Thank you Dan
As a PS fan since PS3 I feel betrayed by Sony, I bought all the way into the PS5 because of the "only on Playstation", now they bring all those games to PC: Ghost of Tsushima, LoU, HZD, GoW, Stellar Blade, Final Fantasy Rebirth, Ratchet and Clank. They raise prices of PS Plus without adding value, I am moving to PC next generation and IDGAF about AstroBot its like I am playing an advert.
If we get one genuine executive up top who actually plays video games at these companies 80% of the entire industry would be better.
Any gamer can spot a bad game at a glimpse.
Where is Syphon Filter?!
Shit you not, Was scrolling reddit on a second monitor while Matty was talking. Heard God of War Live service game, I stop the video, rewind and made sure I heard that right. Then when I did, I just froze in place, just stunned what I just heard. What the Hell...
Matty has anyone ever told you that your icon looks like Link from a distance? Cause with the green bg, looks like you got his hat on lol
Live service reminds of the 2010s when every game from every genre needed a multiplayer.
They still haven’t lifted the ban on countries with no psn for helldivers, it’s bull
They will never do that because a lot of those banned countries are dictatorships as a fact. Sony doesn't want to sell or operate in those countries. Like it or not, Sony doesn't have an obligation to sell their products within countries that don't respect basic human rights.
Kinda random, but is that Ridge Racer music around 05:00? Man Matty, me and you like all the same video game OSTs!
Thank you, Dan!
Blue Hole could have been working on Bloodbourne remake and the other guys on Days Gone 2 😥
Wait, you guys don't think a live service hero shooter where we ALL play as Kratos because Kratos is the only hero sounds fun? Make that game. It would be hilarious.
You know what? I am more and more starting to think that the whole statement that the videogames industry is bigger than the movies industry is just a matter of technicality we tell ourselves to feel better. Like how Mufasa allegedly beat Sonic because Mufasa sold more... but Sonic was cheaper to make. I mean if the industry was really as big as we claim, then like Marvel they should be able to pump out AAA games by the BOATLOAD instead of ONE game taking bloody 5 years to make. Videogames have absolutely no business taking that long to make, because again, if the industry is really as big as we claim... hire more people to make them quicker? And I'm not saying that because I am impatient to get the next game or that I want a rush-job. But the movie industry wouldn't survive if each movie took 5-7 years to make.
Playstation makes cinematic slop. Playstation will never be the same, the ps2 was peak Playstation. Im glad a xbox/ pc gamer.
It is called: opportunity cost. And 90% of companies do not count with it at all.
If game sales were covering the cost of Sony's single player movie type games with no multiplayer, then Sony wouldn't be going down this route. Keep in mind Sony could afford to use them as loss leaders for the PS5 because they were primarily optimized for and simultaneously released on the PS4.
However, now that these titles have to be PS5 titles while the costs and development times have gone up drastically in the last half a decade or so, it has become unsustainable. Sony relies mainly on software but when you've got no software to sell, and it sells at a loss when it does, that's a problem. That's why they've gone down the PvP route as a desperate attempt to cash in short term, by aquiring Bungie, making stuff like Concord, and releasing them as day one launch titles (Marathon) on the Xbox.
These are not the actions of a company comfortable with their money, quite the opposite.
Bruh, cost of production has gone up because salaries have went up because inflations has increased. Everyone is strugglung to make money, from corporate greed trying to keep the profit train (smh) to people just trying take make a living. All industries are suffering.
Great video thanks for the news
Great video matty. Your top 30 rpgs video put some games on my radar. Downloading Greedfall right now
Most people never agreed to a lot of live service games. I think it’s a good thing that they reconsider and cancel all the fodder.
...a Days Gone hero shooter...
It is I...BANDANAMAN!
I might be the one guy who would play a days gone hero shooter
@@ChazzBox 2nd guy.
We've reached peak Cyberpunk. The *sponsor* section was interrupted by an ad for a crypto app. 🤦
Days gone was my GOTY when it came out I would definitely buy a sequel . Everyone I know that played it loved it
So no bloodborne remake huh
Remember crackdown, red faction and lost planet??? I miss those days.
who even still cares about what sony thinks? ps5pro costs the same as starter pc with same power... there is no longer "i buy console becouse its cheaper" games are much cheaper, you dont need some subscription to keep playing, so you are saving money in the long run too...
just stop being a console slave and become the pc master
Part of the problem with these live-service games and Sony's initiative is that you have teams that should have no business with live-service games after having worked a lifetime with single-player games, and it takes focus away from those efforts. And sure, sometimes you'll be lucky and successful, but as we've seen, the live-service model is not the 100% success they all want it to be. And often it will take studios out when they crash and burn. Stop forcing studios to do something it isn't comfortable doing!
I'm more surprised ppl didn't know Bend Studio has been doing a live service
the part about when pc hours are significantly higher than the rest, stream still counts the time a pc and a game is sleeping
Bloodborne remastered would be amazing...only FromSoftware game I've ever finished. Loved it so much.
I don't care what anyone says, I absolutely love Daysgone. I really hope to see a part two in my lifetime.
Love you Matty, and much love to Dan ❤
I think the cancellations is a good thing, the problem was Jim ryan asking 12 live service games, the new guys are fixing things.
Obviusly is sad for the studios
i miss the 360/ps3 era so much
I’ve thought about this for years, When one company, Xbox or PlayStation, falters, the other one is picking up the slack. Xbox went hard for years with so many games on the 360 until the Kinect really slowed them down. Then PS finally started getting games out! I knew back when during lockdown when they said they were gonna do a lot of live service, that they’ll fall behind in releases and Xbox will be having a string of games! And look what’s happening.
Cancelling the games was the right move but Sony needs to make sure both teams are supported as they switch to better projects.
Its only 2 years tho. Bluepoint went at the beginning of the gen.
Generations are defined by the games and the PS5 has had a helluva library.
Looking at the likes of Ghost of Tushmia which a had a 60 million budget and sold 10 million on playstation and 3 million on PC if it came to Xbox around the time it came on launch it could hit the 20 million mark. The issue is when you have games like Last of us 2 and HFW with 200plus million Budgets you need to be doing Elden Ring, RDR2, AC, Witcher 3 and Skyrim Type Numbers. Although PlayStation has a large player base, very few people are actually core gamers.
I know everybody’s tired of games as a service but a Syphon Filter online multiplayer game would have been dope.
I don't understand Playstation gamers. I want to say who plays the same game over and over again, single player game but "PS gamers do". I do understand , " it's money".
So Jim Ryan was actually not that bad. Because of him we got games like Stellar blade. It was a great idea to let Shu handle the indie side of Playstation.
I don't hate the idea of them doing live service but I hate the way they went about it. How about instead of making every studio try to do one and then buying multiple studios to do the same, they did something moderate like 3 live service games.
Sony will never succeed at Live Service because they don't support multiple platforms. They are selfish, and want everyone to buy into their closed ecosystem as if they are Apple fans. If a game is only sold on one console; a Playstation, or maybe Steam as well - then that game is available *to less than half of all gamers*. There are billions of gamers who don't own a Playstation and never will, likewise with Steam despite it being hosted on open platforms like Windows or Linux. The way to be successful at live service is to support every platform. That's it.
I still can't believe the sequel setup they had for Days Gone. F*cking chills.
Just for the series to get shelved.
They got killzone for a multiplayer live service game , which they could tap into !!! For a survival style ( metro , stalker , style ) they have resistance fall of man . And gran turismo . Those 3 could be successful live service games imo . If the content is good enough . They don’t need 12 ls games though 🤷🏻♂️
GT launched having to buy microtransactions just to get decent cars, don't act like they didn't already milk that franchise. And added it after reviews