I even think Sweden went too far. We should have only ever protected the vulnerable and everyone else should have carried on like normal. We would have reached immunity much much quicker. I still can’t believe we locked down healthy people. Covid was never a big risk for the vast majority.
This is the type of common sense you won't find in Sweden! This "social duty" narrative goes strong, and it demonizes anyone who disgrees. It's appaling. I can't help but cringe when Sweden is being lifted for our approach.
@@Egocentrism245 Sweden did BETER than EVERYONE !! Cases are BULL SHIT !! Cases derive from a FRAUD, a test FRAUD !! Im talking TOTAL DEATHS you moron !!
Perhaps because people DID actually behave like adults, there was no need to discipline them like children. There are always two ways to look at situations...
Unherd - thrilled to have found you. I am an Australian living in the state of Victoria (the most locked up location in the world). My State Govt has now given itself the most tyrannical powers imaginable despite mass protests against such. Attempting an open conversation about alternative strategies in dealing with Covid is impossible and you are labelled dangerously radical. Thanks for your videos.
Well said Jeanette! I am also Victorian and our state government scares the shit out of me at the moment. Hopefully this sort of content can be spread far and wide!
You have been deceived by the media, government, pharmaceutical companies and doctors. It has been known for at least 150 years that germs do not cause disease. This was proven by a biologist by the name of Antoine Bechamp. He was a contemporary of Louis Pasteur. It was proven that germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it. Recent technology and understanding of vitamins has further confirmed this information. Disease is unnatural and doesn’t occur by itself in nature. Humans have strayed from nature by growing cereal crops to store for the winter period when foods are scarce. Unfortunately, there is a hidden cost in eating grain food. When plants make a seed they add toxic chemicals and sharp edges to discourage foraging animals from eating grass seeds and some tree seeds. When animals eat grain seeds the toxic chemicals and sharp edges irritate the gut causing inflammation of the gut lining. (leaky gut syndrome) This causes gaps in the gut lining to expand which allows gut bacteria and food material to enter the bloodstream. Also, grain is deficient in vitamins which humans need. Grain is a high octane fuel designed for birds. When humans eat grain it causes an acceleration of their metabolic rate and a small increase in body temperature. A doctor would call this a fever. But this fever is not caused by germs, but by fast digesting sugars from grain, alcohol, milk and refined sugar sources. This is the true cause of 99% of all human disease. Note - Junk food causes disease, not germs. That’s why coronavirus mostly occurs on cruise ships, nursing homes, theme parks and fast food outlets. There is only one human disease which is called vitamin deficiency disease. There are not thousands of different diseases. There is no such thing as viruses. I know, because I have worked in an electron microscope unit where I learnt how to use all the equipment. I also learnt about the electron microscope’s limitations as well. An electron microscope wouldn’t be able to find a ‘virus,’ if in fact; they did exist. You can’t photograph what you can’t find. All alleged photos of viruses are blurry images. Why? This is a deliberate deception because viruses don’t exist, so they have to make the photos unclear so that nobody can see that the photos are of cell debris and are not photos of viruses. The electron microscope can see individual atoms so there can be no excuse for not having clear and precise images of so-called ‘viruses’. The average age of people dying from so called ‘COVID 19’ is 79.5 years of age which is the exact same as the average life expectancy. Thus, there has been no decrease in life expectancy which means nothing has changed. Common diseases like heart attack and influenza are renamed COVID 19, so don’t be fooled by medical and government officials who hope to gain profit, power, money and population control from this huge global scam. Help to stop this medical system dictatorship. Sign petitions against forced vaccinations. References - Virus Mania by Torsten Engelbrecht and Stefan Lanka virologist - youtube
Fellow Victorian and what Jeanette says is very true. Dictator Dan Andrews has given himself incredible powers to subjugate anyone in Victoria under the guise of "public health". I truly think that I am under a lot more threat and harm from the government and the militarised police than I am from covid.
Don't know if I agree with vaccination for COVID being the requirement for everyone. After all, there are studies showing unvaxed people who had COVID and recovered having a better and longer-lasting immunity from COVID. For volnurable sections of population vacine is a must-have, sure, but for the not immunally compromised - do we actually need it to stop the deaths?
I'm surprised the guy is so pro-vaccine especially after admitting its ineffectiveness. The vaccine obviously cannot stop the spread, as the cruise ship incident proves that, and it also proves that its not a pandemic of the unvaccinated as well. Some say its more a pandemic of the co-morbid, which I find to be more logical at this time, as when you see the patients in the hospital, they almost always appear obese. Most people who catch it, likely have mild symptoms, and never go to the hospital and never get tested. But once they have caught it, they will likely never catch it again.
It gets different when you have to make choices for a whole population. Some fringe cases looks ridiculous such as not having to wear a mask at a restaurant when sitting - as if the virus was height dependant (LOL). However, even if the vaccination only make you 15-20% less likely to spread it (I made up those numbers, no idea how effective it is), that makes a huge difference on the population level Same thing goes for vaccine side effects. As long as the side effects are much less than long term effects from the virus, you have to give a recommendation to get a shot on a population level - even though it might make little sense for you as a young, healthy man to take it on an individual level if you are sure your body will handle the virus well.
Well he is sort of kind of not technically a scientist, and certainly not in the role of one. The accurate term is bureaucrat . And that not like a bureaucrat in a bad way, just a objective way, the post he have is a bureaucrat one, not a science one. And for his education, he is sort of in between a researcher and a graduate student
What I like about Tegnell if how cold he is. He's a scientist trough and trough and I honestly don't think he lost a single nights sleep about the deaths his policy may or may not have caused. Overall I think his path was more or less correct especially with the schools.
@@5thEstatePress What do you talk about. pretty much everyone in Sweden agrees that this was the way forward. There is only really two parts where there was political conflicts. Border control. Sweden had pretty much none. Healthcare usage. And well, this was sort of a scandal. This was not part of FHM policy, so it really have nothing to do with them, but in effect, the eldercare system in effect had a policy of using morpthine, practically executing people that deamd to expensive to save.
He also looks far healthier than those miserable dimwit health bureaucrats we have enforcing their venal medical home detention policy on the populace here in Australia
The UK sometimes loses 50K+ people in a single flu season, but we've never gone crazy about that in the past. Yet for some reason, C19 justifies going to crazy town (and never coming back). I firmly (still) believe the fear of C19 was heavily exaggerated and manufactured (at a cost of £330 million per year in advertising). I have a choice: either believe what my own eyes and experiences tell me, or believe the "C19 horror stories" pumped out by the government and media. After 18 months, I've made up my mind.
@Paul Simon McCarthy lots of us know this... an increasing number are slowly begining to pipe up about it.. 20% = critical mass.. The level of Public conditioning is pretty epic, fear and profit driven "safety measures" needs to be eradicated. Humanity needs to evolve from this vicious cycle of self abuse.
Living in Sweden, I've thanked my lucky stars many times over that Anders Tegnell and his competent group of epidemiologists have led the way. Life here has been fairly normal. I'm particularly sorry for the UK with its non-science based blanket lockdowns, its compulsory masks and the fact that a twit like Neil Ferguson was, and still is, listened to.
Well ... i sort of agree.. maybe not Anders personalty, but the system that was in place to support a more scientific approach and not like in UK where a famous person say something and the media dogpiles politics until they change there mind. Worth saying that the System in Norway and Finland in fairly simular than Sweden, and the lockdown effors in Norway is very similar to the one in Sweden (really just the border control that differs). Still media claimed that norway had a harsher lockdown to make it sound like it works. Its hard to deny Norway is one of the best nation in the world out of this
@@matsv201 in his last interview he said that they were following the same protocol as the UK. Unfortunately the UK went absolutely bonkers and political but Sweden stood fast and came out shining compared to the UK.
@@janecooke9151 well.. yes. Hence dogpile and famous stupid People. I think the would have been legal problem in sweden sluttning things down. Some municipality try to stop a protest, they are in court now. Also the ruling goverment is like a 28% minority. They didnt want anyone to be upset
I really appreciate how Sweden has been handling this situation. BUT, why are the side effects of the vaccines not discussed here? Social duty to get vaccinated??? How are these statements any better than what other scientists or politicians say in other countries?
Just compare Sweden to findland Norway and Denmark and you see that this guy is full of crap. The death rate and infections are four time higher than this four countries. If you put Iceland is even worst. Compare Sweden with UK is like comparing Peru to NZ
EXACTLY! My wife is an ER nurse in Florida and knows for a FACT that strokes are way up and more than likely cuz of the vaccines. Pretty sure heart issues are way up as well but can't say with absolute certainty.
He is careful, humble, measured...and he acknowledges both the horrible damage caused by the disease itself and also by some of our hasty reactions to it. He walks a careful line and errs on the side of restraint (first, do no harm). This is what we as citizens in every country in the West have every right to expect from our public health officials. That we have received something else entirely is an unfathomable failure of our institutions.
@@ThePtoleme Correct, it is odd. I think he’s been leaned on, heavily. Or he really trusts other institutions like they were his own. I suspect Sweden promised to vaccinate everyone as per the plan and that they didn’t need any lockdowns to achieve this.
“True to his word” and “judge me in a year” - about the only leader in all of this who has kept his word and held himself accountable. I salute you Anders.
He is the light seen from the inside of a dark tunnel, or the light house far away in a dark night. He should get the next Nobel price for his contribution.
He has been wrong in every forecast. He believed there would be "herd immunity" in Sweden in the spring of 2020. In the autumn, only 8% of the population in Stockholm, the worst area, had anti-bodies. This guy might be popular for his policies but regarding reality he is clueless.
@@nillejoslin " In the autumn, only 8% of the population in Stockholm, the worst area, had anti-bodies." So I guess that means Tegnell is not a wizard and does not have powers of divination huh? I believe few of us expected that. Apparently this new disease did not trigger antibody response to the same extent that we estimated from studying previous diseases, but it does trigger t-cell response, which is similar in usefulness.
I am immeasurably grateful I've been living in Sweden throughout this pandemic! So sad to see my own country, the UK, went insane and threw all our most cherished values aside. Anders Tegnell's management has been admirable. Thank you, Anders for doing your job and not following the hysterical herd.
Of all the health officials, Tegnell is the one that I'd be most likely to trust because Sweden respected people's rights by not locking down, not restricting movement and he comes across well.
You do know you're only allowed to buy alcohol from special state-owned stores with bad opening hours? That home schooling is not allowed? (Risk group parents where *forced* by threat from authorities to send their kids to school even when pandemic was at its worst.) You may dislike the idea of being forced to wear a mask, but many people in Sweden were forbidden by their employers to wear them, including in nursing homes and healthcare. Do you actually like freedom or do you just want everyone else to be forced to live the same way you do?
@@McPuffster The schools themselves didn’t enforce the mandated schooling during the worst periods when they knew the kids came from vulnerable homes. I know because we had many such cases. The masks are useless against airborne diseases, the aerosols are to small to be caught by them. You need at least an M95 mask or better for them to be of any use. This is why they weren’t mandated. It was following the science.
@@McPuffster Fuck i love sweden even more when you tell this shit. No in sweden if you work in an nursing home you are proablably inforced to were a mask or a mask and a visor. Stop lying
I was surprised at how he claimed the vaccines are necessary to "control" covid. I expected him to at least give some credit to the natural herd immunity which seems to have played at least a big part (if not the biggest?). It is very nice to see someone high up having a candid discussion about the virus.
It's actually consistent with what he stated from the very beginning. From the beginning he was very clear that the only way out of the so called pandemic was vaccines. What he was very clear on is that vaccine development takes several years to safely achieve, so in the interim he was recommending a policy that allowed Sweden to have a consistent approach. He didn't want to lockdown, open, lockdown, open, until vaccines were ready. He could not have known it would only be a year before they were ready to use under "EUA"..... Now i don't agree with that premise, which is the premise of most modern nations, that vaccines are the end all be all but he was very very clear on this issue. In his view he wanted a steady policy until the shots were ready. The government tried to overrule the health department in the winter of 2020, giving itself greater enforcement powers, but most were never used. I think people are too locked into their ideological beliefs, even myself. I may not agree with Tegnell on the benefits of vaccines, but i find his approach rational and thoughtful. I do not believe in perfection or hero worship, so i think it's important to listen to those in Sweden who have attempted to expose some of the possible criminal government policies led by Tegnell's team. There are accusations that seniors were sacrificed early in the so called pandemic. Also accusatations of abusive misconduct towards members of the immigrant population. So one sort of policy for domestic Swedes and another for immigrants. These need to be looked into... These are complex issues and we should not whitewash abuse or criminal behavior.
@@sammyslam1 To achieve high levels of sero-prevalence in society, we'd need to basically keep the kids in schools as in boarding schools, like LIVING in the schools, remove the fat and immuno-compromised kids/teachers, and let covid rip through the school population (by school I mean all the way through post-graduate studies) the cohort most capable of dealing with this. It's impossible to achieve natural immunity while large swaths of population are cowering at home. Sweden did that... but only to a point. Their school system was only intact for the 14 and unders, but older students saw a fair number of restrictions. Future pandemic planning MUST focus on population health and preparedness. It is SO much cheaper to make people healthy, than to fix them when they're sick.
@@sammyslam1 For him to claim that vaccines are necessary to achieve som reasonably high level of herd immunity must clearly indicate he is either not entirely honest or that he is incompetent. Or am I missing something?
@@VerySeriousUser Yes! His whole tone suggested to me that he's been forced to accept the arguments for mass vaccination, when no evidence exists to support such a policy, especially for a relatively benign respiratory virus. But then, I'm just a raving conspiracy theorist!
@@gedofgont1006 I completely agree. Maybe I, too, am a crazy conspiracy theorist but everything seemed honest and reasonable apart from the "vaccines are the only way". I doubt he can seriously think that there is no natural immunity.
Here is how this guy comes across, last year, he was the hero of “natural” immunity, as a means to herd immunity, and now he flipped and became totally vaccine centric, I wonder why??? He is peddling the common, deceptive, idea of “case” numbers having increased last winter. This is a measure of the total number of infections, not the rate of sickness, which it turns out, has not overwhelmed the hospital system.
I don't think it's fair to judge him that way. He's an epidemiologist. You'd have to be an absolute moron to not understand the utility of vaccines with that level of education. I think what has surprised everyone is how quickly effective vaccines became available. When all this started if you remember almost everyone were expecting (especially after the catastrophe in Italy) to simply suppress infections to allow healthcare systems to cope with case numbers for a very long time. IFR was unknown, CFR was very high. No sign of vaccines. It's a good bet that natural immunity is what you'd have to put up with. With vaccines that's obviously just a much safer road to the same destination.
Swedes trust their government a lot and are very obeying people. Without force or mandate almost 70% got vaccinated voluntarily. Since they are also very emotional people, they are easy manipulated by the MSM.
@@hinken3716 decisions are often based on emotional right and wrongs, kind of a higher emotional moral superiority. Decisions or things over all have to feel right, no matter if it's logical or rational right. In TV interviews often the question is asked, "how did it feel" or "how do you feel" and not "what do you think". Swedes are emotional, but are good not showing them, holding them in and down. Kind of insecure. But once alcohol is entering their bloodstream, they open up and they keep flowing. Another thing I noticed is how the newspapers "speak" in an emotional tone, addressing and leading emotions. I have traveled and lived in many countries and each countries has it own culprit of expression. That was my impression of Sweden. Often Swedes are characterized as introvert, and they are more so than their southern neighbours. Only because they are introvert and reserved doesn't mean they are not emotional. Btw, have you ever watched an Ingmar Bergman movie?
@@fk-hi6gs I think you have too have grow up in Sweden and know about Swedish life to really know how Swedes are on an emotional level because your answer is the opposite of my experience of my home country. You talk about newspapers that have an emotional tone but probably didn’t notice that the newspapers using an emotional tone are morning newspapers like “Aftonbladet” and “Expressen” and are seen by the public as less serious. Another thing that makes it obvious that you haven’t grown up here is that you believe Swedes don’t know how to express their emotion. It might look like that from an outsider looking in but for me and many other Swedes Its very easy to talk about our emotions with close friends and family. We just don’t think the public room is the place to do so. Btw yes I have watched an Ingmar Bergman movie. What does that have to do with anything?
@@sylviablack4935 Who wouldn't have been in the hospital in the first place had they not blocked access to medication medically-proven to stop COVID. 💜 🦋
Vitamin D certainly worked will in Finland as well.. but they been very hush about it. Finland distributed a huge amount of vitamin D in food products starting September 2020 (or rather increasing the amount). That in effect killed the second wave in Finland, not even detectable.
Mexico has one of the worst stats in the world, along with South American countries of majority native populations. Native gene pools are less immune to Asian Coronaviruses. The reason rich countries fared poorly is not lack of treatment, it is absolute lack of health, obesity number one, then all other sedentary consequences.
@@matsv201 Sweden also fortifies food with vitamin d. There is a correlation between case fatality and the prevalence of vitamin d deficiency. All the nordic countries have good vitamin d levels and only 1% mortality or less. The rest of Europe have 2-3% mortality. You are the boss of your immune system though. So either get tested and start supplementing, or trust your local politician that everything is fine and vaccines are the only thing we need.
Bravo Sweden for providing the lockdown control group. Rather than playing out Churchillian fantasies like our “leadership” here in the UK, and rather than playing to the gallery, you trusted your people, used long thought out pandemic strategies, and achieved a much less disastrous outcome. Nobody demands perfection from our leadership, all we ask is a little more truth, a little less brainwashing, and a smattering of integrity. Professor Tegnell would seem to provide all three. Thankyou.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
@@bjornhellman8474 Actually, the neighbors of Sweden did too well. They all had negative excess mortality. And Sweden did a lot better than most European countries, with much less restrictions, which does have a value of its own. Basically only Germany did better on deaths, but not by much, and at a high social cost. I couldn't go to a restaurant or the gym for 7 months last winter. Sweden definitely did best. But i tend to think it was by chance.
Churchillian fantasies?? Boris made the right decision to lockdown initially and then open up eventually. The right strategy. Biden with mask and vaccine mandates and blaming everyone else for his incompetence has the wrong strategy. Any zero covid strategy is the wrong strategy. Secondly you can't compare Sweden to the UK. Sweden has a low population over a large geographical area and is not a global travel. You are comparing apples with something that ain't even fruit
@@davskol If you take the Nordic countries Sweden was had a death rate 3 times their neighbours. But their approach of following the data and concentrating on the most effective measures has to be recommended .
I’m Swedish and have been living in the north of Italy through the pandemic so really experienced the two opposites in how the situation has been handled. Very proud of being Swedish and admire greatly the courage of our Anders Tegnell. Something almost impossible to express here in Italy, though.
I'm Italian and live in the North of Italy. I think you must have seen the typical Italian behaviour. A Swedish recommended rule is much more efficient than an Italian compulsory rule. if we exclude the first 40 days in the first lockdown, Italians on average don't give a shit what the government has to say and ignore most rules many times every day.
Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease - we must consider risk-trade off to any health policies, which usa never did.
They basically decided that they didn’t want to be responsible for any deaths or blamed for anything. So they took the most extreme measures to wash their hands of it all and say “see, we did everything we could.”
Agreed. I am thankful it wasn't a blanket thing in the US, however. The vast majority of the midwest didn't take all these measures. Aside from an initial few weeks of lockdown where we are, no mandatory policies here.
Very disappointed that there was no mention of natural immunity from previous infection and how that has contributed immensely to herd immunity. Otherwise, Sweden did a great job keeping schools and businesses open during the pandemic. Mandatory vaccines are not necessary and should be avoided by those who have natural antibodies in order to avoid any adverse effects of the vaccine.
Thank you for staying what ought to be obvious. If govts have been overreacting it must be that they suspect covid19 to be an unquantifiable bio weapon? Dr Peter McCulloch (cf Bret Weinstein interview) gives (an authoritative) account of misdirections in this whole affair.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
@@chrisp7530 Suicides? The U.S. has a higher sucide rate than Sweden. Don't complicate things. It's enough that Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
There is no social duty to get vaccinated. Getting vaccinated is for the benefit of the patient, if you are not at risk then you do not need to get vaccinated. As to the transmission argument, it doesn't matter if you pass it on to someone who is at risk if they are vaccinated, they will be protected. Its not a social duty to force people to take a medical procedure they don't need and to discriminate them if they refuse. Thats not a social duty
There can be a social duty to reasonably avoid ailment when resources are tight. For instance, don't do a dangerous TikTok challenge that puts you in a hospital when a) hospitals are out of space, or b) insurance premiums increase on all to compensate. However noted, almost every 1st world country is doing a poor job at avoiding ailments in general, COVID policy aside OR included.
@@josheastwold5360 this is what I got from your comment: “even if the vaccines don’t work, you have a duty to submit to social pressures, or risk not being included in regular society.” Is this what you meant to say? Do you not see the dangerous precedent this sets?
I have watched most of your content - which has helped me stay sane over the last 18 months. It feels like a small but important chapter is closing. Before it does, I want to say thank you for being a (fairly) neutral journalist (something that has been lacking in mainstream media) and thank you also for staying the course with your audience throughout.
Freddie's opening remarks about it being 'his' (Tegnell's) decision not to impose a mandatory lockdown immediately raise an eyebrow. Actually, he followed the pre-existing pandemic plan of all advanced Western nations, which was only ripped up when China took a different route, followed by Italy. But that apart, it was a very fair and illuminating interview, as is invariably the case with Freddie's on this subject.
The fact that he didn't trash the previous pandemic planning IS to his credit though. He stood fast with pre-existing knowledge, whereas other state officials succumbed to hysteria.
Swedish minister's remarks (to a personal friend Dan Hannan): "We basically used Britain's pandemic plan. The difference is, we stuck with it." Whoops.
it’s unbelievable how easily the west followed the communist approach of Chinese nomenklatura, the authoritarian way... we should be utterly ashamed. So much damage was caused, more significant than the virus itself. I am afraid we didn’t learn anything
In his initial interview in July 2020 Tegnell actually pointed out that Sweden was just following the agreed plan and that it was everyone else who was throwing theirs out, and he expressed his surprise that they were surprised about Sweden! When he felt the surprise was what the others had done!
@@rustworker prior to the entire covid crisis and the Biden presidency I would have immediately agreed with you... now I would say that both are so heavily flawed and stuck in their own narrative that I think both are just propaganda machines
@@rustworker compare them both to the BBC or Reuters and perhaps you will see my emphasis on unbiased. Could Anderson Cooper really claim to be unbiased in his reporting on Trump, for example?
while I admire his steadfast manoeuvring through mad times with a more sensible and human approach, he has succumbed to the pharma story. All despite overwhelming evidence that V for younger people has more risks in side effects than from C itself, and that any claim that V prevents transmission or severity of the disease is wishful thinking and questionable science claims. Check countries in rest of the world, where C panic was not infused... and nearly no V available... they are doing fine apart from massive impact in economy. we are afraid of dieing from C and claim to want to save every life but accept millions of people dieing as effect of our restrictions. Humanity is facing more dark days.
Well-deserved praise for this man's restraint concerning the implementation of tyranny must be tempered with his lack of addressing the benefit-risk balance with respect to the fact that the long-term consequences of the vacks are unknown and potentially very harmful. Vaccination has become a reprehensible buzz-word that cannot be questioned.
You DO know that Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors, don't you? (I mean in total, not the last two weeks or so.) /Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 We also have the highest popopulation of all the Nordic nations. Statistically, we should have more deaths. Here's where the statistics currently stand compared to the rest of the Nordic countries so far in December: Sweden: 3063 new cases, 14 deaths. Finland: 1781 new cases, 59 deaths. Norway: 5355 new cases, 53 deaths. Denmark: 6985 new cases, 93 deaths. We have both the lowest daily death rate and total death rate for December in all of the Nordic region, with the second-to-lowest amount of daily cases after Denmark. We're doing pretty damn well considering the fact that we have the highest population size of all of them.
@@CriticalRoleHighlights You weren't exactly the valedictorian, where you? I wrote "per capita" so Sweden's larger population is already accounted for. Don't comment to things you lack the education to understand. Meaningless of me to waste my time on people not understanding basic English, so bye, bye!
I am literally the only person in my life who supported the Swedish method from the beginning. I feel validated after watching this. Most Americans cannot see past there own nose and people’s acceptance of draconian lockdowns is whole heartedly scary. The plan was no plan with constantly moving goal posts. Very manipulative behavior and I’ve lost a lot of respect for people after this
It's called narcissistic abuse that most countries displayed. Telling people who they can and cannot see, what to wear, i.e. masks, blaming them if things went wrong.
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
A thumbs up for you mister Tegnell. You may not be perfect but you still did a lot better than many other people who basically forced fear down our throats.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
@@bjornhellman8474 you are being manipulated by the social fabric of society. What you are counting as "dead" are people who almost all of them would still be dead right now even if covid never existed. Stop buying into the covid hysteria. It's a regular virus like many mild viruses we had in the past hundreds of years. If you think people should not be dying of diseases I am really sorry for you but you are missing on how the real world looks like. I am aware 100% of the fact that I will be DEAD one day and I am not the least bothered by it as long as it's a natural death like a disease or organ failure because at the end of it we ALL die. No exceptions. I know what I am talking about and I am very much aware of how people use "dead" people for political points. That dishonest crap has to stop. People die literally by the 60 millions every single year worldwide and before covid no one gave a flying fuck about that many people dying of diseases so please stop acting as if it matters now.
@@howtheworldworks3 No, intelligence is simple; Sweden still has many times more dead than our very similar neghbours Norway and Finland. It is very easy to show the causes behind those differences. Everyone knows them.
@@bjornhellman8474 You replied like a robot. Take a look at yourself. You see numbers and yet you have no idea what they mean in the real world. Let me show you what they mean with an example in my town. In my town with an average population of around 10k in the year 2020 instead of an average 50 people dying of diseases and organ failure(these are what people call natural death) there were an average of 55. No one with a sane clear mind cares about that kind of fluctuation in the town's population. Not even the people who died themselves! You know why? Because they knew they were going to die from other causes if it wasn't covid. I never denied that covid helped some people die sooner and you totally missed my point. Death is a natural expected thing for those who understand it and the reality is that covid is not a big deal for most people. Fear was fabricated. Morons like you who can only see numbers instead of empathizing with the people that live in the real world were brainwashed by that fear.
Equating to Australia's larger population, Sweden would have over 30,000 COVID deaths. Australia has 1,200. Pretty obvious which health officers did a better job. Australia just waiting now until it gets to 90% vaccinated, after a slow start (due to Prime Minister failing to order enough doses). COVID has already become a serious disease only for the unvaccinated (or unboosted) in most countries with adequate vaccination.
@@vw9659 locking up people and beating them up, if they want to leave their house. you didnt listen to mr. tegnell. how do you compare countries? in sweden there is almost no sun for 4 month in winter. does australia have this? no covid is idiocy.
@@hartwigzehentner2730 No point discussing such things with people like VW; i'm guessing he is a collectivist or authoritarian or both, and for him individual freedom is to be severely curtailed at every opportunity, including those health crises which could otherwise be well managed without massive collateral damage. Your point is well made about the benefits of the Australian climate.
@@vw9659 it hasn't become a serious disease for the unvaccinated. it's a serious disease for high risk groups. and high risk groups are very, very, very small relative to any population sample you look at. stop massaging data.
I am biased because I havent had a vaccine yet. I just haven't been able to get my head around why it needs to be universal, given immunity is also developed naturally and only the elderly and vulnerable are most at risk.. I also have a distrust of the financial incentives in the medical industry. I try to avoid drugs as much as possible without being an "anti". I also find such things like the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity...convenient. So with that and more in mind I am sceptical of Ander's promotion of vaccine as the answer. I'm not sure about this social duty idea EDIT: I got COVID a few weeks ago. Got all the symptoms plus a sore throat. No breathing problems. A fee days in bed and a few days recovering from poor sleep and all good. Feeling strong as ever now. At 52 years old am I an outlier or the norm?
Vaccines give you a level of immunity without having to become a host for the virus. While you are a host you can spread the virus to others who might not be as strong as you. Also, there are some risks involved with going through the infection even if you are healthy. Long term loss of smell is one of them that can cause other health issues down the road. In Sweden it is estimated that around 400000 people have problems with their sense of smell after covid. They have set up a special clinic to try tackle this problem. Vaccines were always the solution. The text below is from the training material published by his agency before this pandemic: ”By trying to reduce the spread of infection and delay the course of the pandemic, there is a possibility that the top of the spread curve is shifted and flattened. In this way, the burden on healthcare and society can be reduced as the proportion of patients at a given time (the top of the curve) decreases, the time for preparation increases and vaccines become available. Such an effect can be achieved with the help of medical measures (including antiviral treatment and vaccinations) and non-medical measures (including social distancing).”
These don't qualify to be called vaccines. They do not provide immunity or prevent transmission. In August 2020 before vaccines there were 289 confirmed Government figures on covid deaths in that month, in August 2021 after experimental mass injections rollout there were 3,089 confirmed Government covid deaths in that month!! Think we can all draw our own conclusions now!
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 ah so only deaths from covid matter. don't worry about all the people that died from missing their screenings, lost there businesses or jobs or killed themselves from depression cause by being lockdowned for a year. those deaths don't matter. I understand.
I welcome interviews like this. However, what Tegnell is allowed to say is restricted by the WHO. Not a word on natural immunity. All we hear is vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
Really? How would.WHO do that? Hold his pet dog hostage? By the way he did mention.about natural immunity in this very same video. Im not surprised you missed what he clearly mentioned in this video. Im not surprised you are not the only one who missed that point and commented that you are totally disapointed that he didnt validate your believes. You are unique yet in the fact that compared to all the others who had to open their clap trap without paying attention to what the man said you are the only one who is very sure he is under restrictions specifically from WHO when there is nothing to indicate it being so. There is a point that he had implied without saying it directly though. 1. He mentioned Swedish laws make it illegal for a person to spread disease to others. 2. He thanked the Swedish people for behaving responsibly and taking the appropriate measures so that a lockdown wasnt necessary. 3. Final statement is the most important. He agreed with the interviewer that in Sweedens case, a lockdown wasnt necesarry. Well, I got news for all the muppets who are claiming you guys were right all along about lockdowns. He clearly said it worked for the Swedish because of their views on health and their general attitude which was taking the necesary personal precautions that enabled them to avoid a lockdown. It wouldnt work in a society that has a significant percentage of certified idiots who are dumber than s door knob whining, whinging and refusing to use a piece of cloth covering their faces as a precaution against being easily infected.
Interesting discussion. I was a bit surprised at no discussion of those thousands who have recovered from this and have natural immunity which the latest data suggests is strong and long lasting.
I do not wish to make false assumptions but his lack of discussion in other approaches including early treatment with antiviral drugs makes me feel he is being suppressed in what he can say that does not mandate vaccination as the only valid solution. I would love to be proved wrong by a follow up statement by Sweden on what else they are doing besides vaccinating their population.
@@leifsimmons2464 Maybe you should read the data(In Norway ,there are registered more than 6000 serious adverse effects( only 2680 is looked at by the government so far, because of the amount of reports) You have to be totally biased to not acknowledge SOME deaths/ruined lives from that number! (We also know there are a lot of dark figures), or follow check out vaccinated sites(Facebook-pages) Where people are discussing their adverse effects. This May scare people and hinder the vaccine mania, therefor it's not "allowed " to focus on. And , we must never forget the humongous amount of influence Big-pharma has on media, politics, everything.
Although I don't agree with everything he says, I feel like he is a measured, logical, un-panicked human with whom I could have a reasonable discussion. Which is relieving, in and of itself, to know such people exist and have been helping to run countries. Thank you to Anders Tegnell for this interview (for being brave enough to keep coming back and facing critique) and for Freddie + UnHerd for bringing it to us.
i've always thought it is the social duty of vaccine developers to release patents and declare no profiteering during a pandemic....but doesn't look like they want to do that, so i have no interest in fulfilling my social duty of getting a vaccine. So until vaccine developers (the wealthiest with the most power) are mandated to release patents and banned from profiteering, i don't think we the people (with the least wealth and power) should be mandated to take their vaccine.
HI Apart from that being true, the very necessary PREVENTION of getting infected from ANY virus and its variants by taking prophilactic doses of Vit C along with nebulised Hydrogen Peroxide has been so TOTALLY suppressed by Big Profiteering Pharma that Hospitals cannot even give covid 19 patients Intravenous Vit C to restore their lung function as WUHAN did from the outset last year! So the Pandemic keeps going FOR THAT REASON ALLONE! PERFECT END TIME STORM! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
AZ did pretty well: 3$ a shot, vs $30 for moderna...which is why they were pilfered in the press, and people who took the AZ shot were even placed with travel restrictions! That's kind of ended now, since Bill Gates bought the 'rights'? to the vaccine from Oxford.
This is how you command respect, it works very well to not exaggerate, patronize, act overly dramatic and flat out lie. Thank you for the fresh air everyone needs after the mask suffocation mandates
Unfortunately, commanding respect has very little to do with success in this case. Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
Ok Anders fellow Swede here, you seem to avoid talking about natural immunity that has been conclusively proven to be better than being vaccinated? Why? Why is this not being openly discussed?
Anders Tegnell is a very competent epidemiologist with knowledge of 200 years of experience with vaccines. The chance he will think differently about this vaccine in a year time is unlikely. Better question is, when will YOU change your mind about this vaccine. Does it take 10 years before you think it is safe?
You just never get this level of honesty with Jacinda Ardern re acknowledging mistakes. She's very Clinton'ess where she'll spew word-salad instead of just straight answers. Refreshing. Well done
@@mr.safensound4238 indeed. Also it seems that in Sweden, too, there is the same eery silence on natural immunity. It has to make you wonder, doesn't it.
I agree, it seems a lot of people are ignoring the Israeli situation. Over 90% population vaccinated, yet 1000 cases per million people. Vaccine efficacy ware off after 6 months. I surprised at Dr. Tegnells overloooking this data.
I am from Sweden and really happy that we had Mr Tegnell who was basically the only top health adviser globally that relied on scientific evidence. Most others were politically motivated to enforce unscientific draconic restrictions.
Yes, he's good on "lockdowns" and nonsense interventions, but it's unfortunate to hear him pushing the "vaccines". He can't be unaware of the superiority of natural immunity, nor of the obvious problems with injecting unapproved, scantily tested, computer-designed experiments into people who for the most part are in absolutely no peril from SARS2. So we are forced to presume he is partly compromised by Big Pharma.
@@EricM_001 Because natural immunity isn´t enough. Anders Tegnell said in this video that he thought natural immunity was enough to have a winter without high transmission and deaths and he was wrong even if sweden did alot better than other countries. So natural immunity cases with high vaccinations number would be preferd.
@@zilfversurfer2157 What do you think happened in the past? Do you believe that SARS2 is a radically new pathogen the like of which humanity has not faced before? It seems like your perspective might be too narrowly focused on the current situation, which is mostly a hysterical overreaction to a nasty cold virus. Most of the human race already possessed at least partial immunity to SARS2 before it even came into existence. Most of us have already hosted multiple coronaviruses, and our immune system remembers them. There is plenty of information out there to demonstrate this. I suggest you turn off Facebook and the "news", and do some research. Start by looking into the concepts of all-cause mortality and excess mortality seen over the years. Then look up T-cell cross immunity.
I believe many of the commentators on this are missing a major point of Tegnell's story. He explained the voluntary measures worked so well in Sweden (and Scandinavia I should say) because people trust the government advice and fewer are captured by conspiracy theories. Which is exactly the opposite of what many of you want to hear.....
Good approach Sweden, but... "fantastic vaccines" - really? We already know that in areas with 90+% vaccination, there's still spikes and not the herd immunity these experts were talking about. I'm fully vaccinated but I'm against mandating something that's proven lackluster in preventing spread. How many "fantastic vaccines" (that aren't prudently tested) are we now going to have to take until these experts figure out that it's endemic and personal health plays an even larger role than getting a shot?
Really? Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 Absolutely, for sure. They would have had more deaths regardless of strategy. Isn't that obvious by now? You have to look at who's dying and not just at the numbers.
Well, the thing is at this point the current covid variants are mutating in a way that only those that are stronger than the variant used in the vaccine survive long enough to spread. The thing is the longer covid is around giving the virus more chances to mutate to the point where the vaccine we have is useless because it has become so different that the vaccine no longer covers it.
Yeah, well, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. I would have preferred competernce over an impressive demeanor. /Swede
I still don’t see why the vaccination rate needs to be higher. If everyone understands the risks and they have been given ample opportunity to get vaccinated, isn’t the government’s job done?
With a good vaccine, the idea is you could effectively wipe out its spread, which should have the effect of protecting those who have weak immune systems. But with this vaccine, the spread still happens, and widely so, which defeats that purpose.
Nowhere does he say Sweden won. He does say it's a social duty to get vaccinated and he also says because of the variants the higher the % of vaccinations in a country the better.
@@chatteyj are you one of those people who also insists vaccines whiped out small pox and Polio? The CDC have changed the definition of vaccines and herd immunity to suit this particular cash cow. The media a repeating the lie, and now so are you. Inoculation was ALWAYS supposed to stop a person becoming ill from a virus, and therefore preventing spread. This one does neither, and you can't have it both ways.
This is what i took away from the Swedish method vs the lockdown method, when people talked about the Swedish method in the winter of 2020-21 they almost always view it as a failure because Sweden was hit by a bad second wave. Sweden had a bad winter ergo their method was a failure but everywhere in the world was hit badly. Sweden was able to weather the pandemic at roughly the same rates as other nations. The key difference is the Sweden kept her economy running and civil rights unassaulted. Getting the same results as lockdown states but allowing people to be human and to live. That is the success, not that Sweden eradicated covid but that they got roughly the same results as everyone else in the world some times even better results then lockdown nations but they didn't need to trample on civil liberties, didn't need to destroy the economy, didn't need to keep people so isolated that a silent epidemic of mental health crisis's follows in the wake of covid lockdowns.
It's the "similar to every other country" that is the flaw in this. Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia all did a lot better in hospitalisations and deaths, and found ways to keep their economies bubbling along. Norway, Denmark and Finland also have done better than Sweden in both economics and deaths. So the real question is why Sweden didn't do as well economically as these countries?
@@brendanh8193 I would say Sweden has done markedly better than NZ and aus in regards to civil liberties. Denmark vs. Sweden you have a different model in the elder care facilities. Denmark tends to have more yet smaller elder care facilities. Sweden has fewer but larger ones. It can be easier to isolate smaller buildings than larger ones.
@@henrylicious That was actually one of the major flaws of the Sweden initial response, for they didn’t protect the most at risk population as well as they could have. :/ Other than that, the pandemic isn’t over. Covid vaccines can have pretty large drop off rates after 6 months and most people will hit this 6 month period come Winter 2021-22 which will mean false sense of security for those with low naturally immune populations. Meaning, Sweden may excel best than any other country while being totally open. I hope I’m wrong and more people don’t die, but it’s looking like it from the Science we do know.
@@brendanh8193 I actually know a few things since I read up! On NZ and AUS, they banned international travel at the start and use brutal lockdowns to regulate any Covid cases. It’s doable since they are both islands, but also has resulted in some serious Civil Liberty breaches that won’t be temporary (such as the recent ability to hijack your computer and online accounts without a warrant). On Taiwan (and SK and Vietnam), they have been dealing with China’s diseases for years. They had a system in place, used massive contact tracing and targeted lockdowns to stop the spread. So, unless you want the USA’s NHS to track everyone’s location and dox them at every infection, then you’re citing the wrong example. The Nordic countries are the most interesting for sure. Norway just straight up blocked international travel, even with Sweden, which basically made them an island in terms of travel. That said, they only used localized lockdowns beyond the initial couple months, so more of an argument for locking down international travel and targeted local lockdowns, not the widespread restrictions that have killed almost half of small businesses in the USA. :/ Also, in terms of Denmark, they didn’t even have a mask mandate until October 2020 (which had zero affect on COVID spread) and didn’t lockdown until December 2020 and that lockdown resulted in the most violent rioting in Denmark in 40 years. Clearly, at some point people prefer freedom and risk over marginal safety at great costs. And, I must stress this pandemic has another wave in it if we go by last year’s pattern. And, even worse, is that most people who got the vaccine first were the most vulnerable, so they will have the greatest immunity drop. Basically, most countries have created a great recipe for massive COVID spread and death come Winter, and only places that have high natural immunity will be basically fine. I highly recommend reading up on all this. I used to be anti-contact tracing, but realized it is SUPER effective, I just don’t like the liberty costs associated with it and how government doesn’t give up the new powers they create for themselves. I mean, they can’t even balance a budget in the USA! :/
@@brendanh8193 I am not sure if you are trolling me. First comparing Island nations to Sweden and then comparing 3 nations with roughly half of Sweden's population and pretending these are fair comparisons. Lets just assume you honestly thought these were fair and breakdown why they are not fair and it is disingenuous to pretend they are fair comparisons. You also compare three Island nations and i count Australia with no land boarder with anyone as an island nation. You think the two most isolated western world nations is a fair comparison to Sweden? Also both Australia and New Zealand violated civil rights in their lockdowns, Australia has concentrations camps for christ sake. I would say that gives Australia a fucking automatic failing grade. Finland, norway and demark do not have anywhere near the same level of immigration numbers because they have 1/2 as much population. Norway and demark have less than 1 million foreign nationals and Sweden had twice that. Findland has less than norway/denmark. Sweden has roughly twice the population of any other Scandinavian country's. Also Norway and Finland are both Isolated from mainland Europe. Sweden has a direct land route to Continental Europe through Copenhagen. In an epidemic it is unfair to compare isolated nations with lower immigration numbers and lower population to a larger nation with twice the immigrants and a direct land route with the heart of Europe. Immigration is a key factor a seeing how open the boarders are and open borders mean increased contact with infected people. In this case actual numbers are key not percentages because it is the actual numbers of people entering a nation that carry the disease. Open borders are normally a positive in most situations but they are negative in times of an epidemic. look at the stats with other nations with roughly 10 million people in Europe, Belgium 11m pop. cases: 1.258m 25k deaths, Portugal - 10m pop cases: 1.068m 18k deaths, Czech republic 10m pop, cases: 1.690m 30k deaths, hungry 9.6M pop cases: 821k 30k deaths, Greece 10m pop, cases 648k 14.7k deaths. Sweden 10m pop 1.149m 14.8k deaths Looking at nations with the same population in western and central Europe because make no mistake a smaller population is a hell of a lot easier to protect than a larger population. We see the Sweden did as well or significantly better than most other 10m pop nations. But sure try and compare Sweden to island nations and neighbors with 1/2 her population and act like Sweden's policy was a failure.
We'll judge you after this next flu season as there is still a probability of ADE, which is the virologists worst nightmare. Why vaccinate the healthy for something that can never be eradicated?
Of course it helps...but even the fittest people do not have antibodies/t-cells etc to a new virus. They have to be produced either by an infection or by a vaccine.
@@andym9571 you’ve heard of T cell cross reactivity? Also good health supports a good immune system that can spring into action when needed l. Hence the elderly & those with comorbidities are at risk, younger fitter healthier are not. Not rocket science
@@mollyt4639 yes but even a healthy immune system takes several days ( the adaptive part ) to start fighting it . Having had a vaccine ( or a previous infection) it is ready to fight straight away. Those few days can be critical in how ill someone can become especially if someone is receiving a continual virul dose...like a nurse, bus driver etc
Not only have lockdowns caused mass unemployment, the UN says they are causing mass death due to supply chain disruption that is literally causing starvation in poorer nations.
August 2024. Waiting for the people who besmirched Anders to apologise. But it has all been swept under the rug. UK, Europe, America, all pretending it never happened.
I keep hearing the word social duty!!! Where the hell is the social duty towards African people who lost their homes, jobs and are now starving because of lock downs!!! Who is taking their SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO FEED AND HOUSE THESE PEOPLE??
Yeah, well, unfortunately, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 Would have been near zero deaths had both Sweden and their Nordic neighbours followed the same path as India and Japan did. Too many pseudo-scientific denialists are out there preventing it, though.
From the ninetys I aperantely had to deal with Sweden on my jobside. Of course later on the comapny whas taken over by the big V...... company, the construction eqippment departement, though. I realy began to realise, that the swedish people are the most sensitive people, when it comes to matters of health and safety. This impression whas reinforced, when we travelled through Sweden on 2 holliday trips. A country that has this kind of sensible people in the government can call themselves realy blessed. Dr. Anders is a hero of our time.
This man claims vaccine mandating is a 'social responsibility'. A recent study in the Lancet revealed transmission within households unvaccinated was 38%. BUT Transmission within vaccinated households stands at 28%. In Australia people are not permitted to work without being vaccinated. Does a drop in infection rates this small warrant coercing people into being injected with a vaccine that wears off, largely in 60 days, and completely in 6 months?
Obviously not, but some people don't even know about the effective date range of vaccine protection, this perception will change when the "boosters" turn out to be yearly shots.
The only thing Sweden did wrong, literally the only thing, was not isolating the elderly early on enough. They weren't alone... every other country in the world made the same mistake. Aside from that, Sweden's response to the pandemic was picture perfect. They're 43rd in the world in terms of deaths per million, 5th from the bottom in Europe in terms of excess deaths, and an economy that wasn't destroyed, public health systems that didn't defer diagnoses and treatments on things like cancer, and schoolchildren not suffering from the kinds of mental health issues that kids all around the world have to battle today. All because they were led not by the political class, but by science. An absolute example to the world, which I fear will go unheeded.
Many workers in the elderly care in Sweden works at several care homes so it wasn't possible to isolate. Then there wouldn't be anyone to take care of the elderly. A huge misstake how the care is organized :/
In UK we have been lied to, abused, bullied, isolated, terrified, financially ruined, treated with utter most disrespect for over 19 months now. Some of us have fared better than others but many are simply broken. I do not believe there is a social duty to take a medical substance somebody doesn't feel comfortable taking.
Good job with not locking down. However, not so good job recommending the experimental prototype drug - which is now generating new variants by the way. Dr. Robert Malone’s words (inventor of the mRNA vaccination technology) not mine.
This is my concern as well. I am not anti-v, but do have real concerns about it being recommended broadly, and here in the US, mandated. I just don’t think it’s for everyone, and it hasn’t been long enough to make claims on either side of the debate, especially with such conflicting data.
If I was old and/or obese and/or immune-compromised, I'd be delighted that this was available and would mitigate my risks. However, I'm don't have any of these issues yet, so I'll be avoiding the vaccine for now
Only information I've heard and see about new variantes are among unvaccinated. So are you sure about that and can you link the source if you have one?
@@Zilanto Blaming the proliferation of the current delta variant and possible future variants exclusively on the unvaccinated is equally stupid as blaming it on the vaccines. Classic black and white fallacy. Unvaccinated may give rise to increase chance of "mutations" because more virus reproduction = more mutations. However, the vaccine will (at least in theory) generate a "selection pressure" on variants that work around high antibodies to spike protein. There's also the potential for ADE or other troubles should a variant arise that completely escapes the existing vaccines.
So the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission well, so the solution is we need more and more vaccinations? If it’s so effective at stopping severe Illness, why not allow those unwilling to get vaccinated to accept the risks? This doesn’t impact others safety at all, so I’m not sure how I see a civil duty to get the jab. 2c
@@lassehaggman Ditto. As a government official -- he is part of the problem. He probably even agrees with Bill Gates ... th-cam.com/video/VHUtEd2gXNs/w-d-xo.html
In light of his previous cautious and considered approach, Mr Tegnell would have been wise to hedge his vaccine optimism. We all hope for the best but there is no medium or long term data.
@@byz73 The vaccine starts waning after six months. Pay attention to Israel. Forth shot possibly in December. Four shots in less than a year isn't exactly promising.
Yeah, well, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. What is there to "defend"? Relatives to more than 15,000 Covid-dead Swedes would have preferred competence over image. /Swede
Sigh, that really warmed my heart. It was so important to counterbalance number of lives with quantity of lives, and Sweden really succeeded at preserving civil liberties, free speech, AND unity throughout. Authoritarianism is never the long term positive outcome. Thank you Sweden, I want to move there!
He is trying to be so measured, which may be a good thing but it’s also true that speaking freely may have possibly more accuracy and transparency, but can’t blame him, he’s doing very well considering the diversity of hard views and the sensitivity about the matter. A very admirable scientist.
I can say that Mr. Tegnell is absolutly one of my favorite epidemicoligist. He sure knew what he was talking about but seem like the gov sometimes dident lissen to him and his crew. Natural immunity according to all studies showing the absolut best way to overcome this pandemic, offcourse with personal way of thinking to not pass the virus to others. If sick stay home, get tested and wait it out, if get really sick call medics and not travel in public and so on.
What a typical Swede! Total humility. Respect for individuals’ rights. Expects social responsibility. Judicious, targeted actions. Government stays within legal rights. What a stark contrast to the sh__ show that’s been the United States during the pandemic.
No, but it is our social duty to question the safety of the vaccines as they now in SWEDEN are vaccinationg children 16+ without parental consent . Also it seems they plan to do the same starting Oct 1st with 12+. Pls see my detailed comment above published about 1 hr after yours ...
Anders Tegnell has been a hero of mine, but I have one question. *If vaccines don't stop transmission of covid why would they be viewed as a way to control the spread or the continuance of the pandemic?* I can understand the vaccine's value in reducing the severity of health effects to patients who are infected. This argues that elderly people 65 and older and people with comorbidities such as obesity and diabetes get vaccinated since they are overwhelming the ones dying and and seriously ill. Children 1-18 and young healthy people are at very low risk. What is the justification for everyone to become vaccinated especially to be forced to become vaccinated? Shouldn't we focus instead on providing vaccines across the world to vulnerable people, instead of requiring our non vulnerable people to get vaccinated?
Also, my understanding is that natural immunity lasts longer than the vaccines, its effectiveness diminishes over time, requiring endless booster shots and possibly leads to the mutations resulting in breakthrough cases.
So why can Sweden not establish who got Covid and only vaccinate the people who did not get it (and then only if the people want it) and nobody under 25 years of age requires the vaccine unless they have comorbidities
Sweden can not establish who got Covid because the unexpensive tests aren't sufficiently reliable (yet?). It's much, much easier to recommend people to get vaccinated in any case, because for the individual there's virtually no disadvantage of vaccination after infection. The experience of the last nine months show that.
@@jmolofsson I live in South Africa - considering how incompetent and corrupt our government the ANC are - I honestly believe because of their total incompetence we are probably the one country closest to herd immunity in the world - this useless government have no idea how many of us have actually had Covid - believe me on this - and then there are people who could not afford the test - the only time our useless Pigs at the Trough government say anything to the international community is with their begging bowl held out in front of them - they have no shame - dont get embarrassed about begging and yet when they took over this country it was the Diamond in Africa now it is not even Coal, it has become very close to what would called "Just another Shithole country" - this country that paid ZAR0.75 for USD1.00, now pays ZAR15.00 per Dollar and we have illegals mining what is left if the gold underground. Which would be fine but you could have whole sections of towns in the areas where gold was mined collapse because their greed far outweighs their humanity and our useless government are complicit and are probably earning a fortune ftom the illegal mining - believe me Africa needs to get rid of corruption to really survive as a continent
@@jmolofsson The antibody test are very accurate, close to 100% in determent how have had covid, but alot lower (about 50%) how have not had it. That would lower the number of people that needed to be vaccinated with at least a million. That would had effect.
I would like to have known his view on COVID prevention and treatment measures other than vaccinations. There are countries like India with a relatively larger population that could not implement mandatory lockdowns yet were able to control the virus before the vaccines became available using antiviral kits. One important drug seems to have been ivermectin. It would be interesting to know whether western countries like Sweden could implement such a protocol in addition to vaccines to allow for early treatment of the virus before it takes hold in the lungs
Glad you are one of the few who aren't duped. Sweden 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
Freddie - wonderful summation at the end of this gentle, intelligent man. How Australia could have benefitted from even just a little bit of Swedish insight, diplomacy and compassion as we battled this pandemic. Half of Australia wants to move to Sweden. They have definitely become the lucky country in my eyes. Ummm..... I might get him tattooed on my arm as well. 🤔
@@totaramgandhi5117 Not sure how you have calculated just how many deaths have occurred because of lockdown but would be interested to know. Time will tell , but the analysis coming out of Europe so far is not pretty. Of course we could keep hiding in our houses forever, (Melbourne now the most locked down city in the world) but this definitely results in a multitude of very Un ideological societal problems - including deaths.
I don't think you understand the implications of what you are saying. Sweden has 19 times as many Covid deaths per million people as Australia has. /Swede
I moved to Sweden just over two years ago from the UK.. what a breath of fresh air literally and in every other sense.. I can remember my daughters visiting during the first pandemic when there were no travel restrictions yet... they were shocked at how normal life was ...for two weeks covid was not shoved down them. In Sweden it seems only Tegnell that gives updates on Covid-19...I don't believe I have seen the health minister giving updates on covid..I learnt in Swedish school that Swedish media must focus facts and sensenalising news/facts is very much frowned upon.. moderation is the Word or lagom in Swedish.. lagom/moderation in every walk like is always way up there here in Sweden.. loving my new adopted country.. Tagnell's humility and manor is not put on ..I would say thats typically Swedish... In the UK it seems everyone is a covid expert from the deluded prime minister, health minister come ex Banker, other ministers, media and then every Tom, Dick and Harriet also believe they are experts in their own right..
Dr Tegnell is treading very very carefully & I can't blame him due to his apparently influential status. Sweden's initial approach to tackling cvd19 is still truly impressive to me & if Swedes voluntarily go the mass vaccination route then so be it. It would be interesting to see how that turns out.
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. I would have chosen competence over image. /Swede
It's very frustrating to watch this video and realize that almost the entire world ignored the example of Sweden and indeed tried (as Freddie said at the beginning of the video) to undermine the Swedish approach and demonize it even though (as has been noted) Sweden was only doing what the WHO previously said to do during pandemics. Almost everyone else in the world ignored their country's constitution and caused much greater harm in their attempts to handle the epidemic compared to Sweden, and instead followed the example from China as praised by Bruce Aylward of the WHO. You might remember Aylward as the guy who was interviewed by a Taiwanese journalist about Taiwan's approach to COVID and initially ignored the question, then had an ostensible Zoom call disconnection, then claimed he didn't hear the question after reconnecting, then when told the journalist would repeat the question, said "No, let's move on to something else" (in case this is not clear, it's seems he was told by China to never acknowledge the existence of Taiwan and faithfully followed China's instructions). Maybe frustrating is too mild a way to put it.
Nice to see sanity! Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. /Swede
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It's really laughable that the failure of a medication in those who took the medication is blamed on those who didn't /won't take the medication🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
First time I ever heard that b.s..
Amen!
Laughable never been healthier
@@drowningin why do you think it is b.s?
@@maximr6576 because medicine doesn't require everyone to take it.
I even think Sweden went too far. We should have only ever protected the vulnerable and everyone else should have carried on like normal. We would have reached immunity much much quicker. I still can’t believe we locked down healthy people. Covid was never a big risk for the vast majority.
Thank you !! Finally I found someone to agree with me ...
This is the type of common sense you won't find in Sweden! This "social duty" narrative goes strong, and it demonizes anyone who disgrees. It's appaling. I can't help but cringe when Sweden is being lifted for our approach.
I agree. If the government failed anyone it was children and especially the elderly.
@@Egocentrism245 Because you are lying !!! Sweden has the LOWEST excess deaths in Europe for 2020 AND 2021 ...
@@Egocentrism245 Sweden did BETER than EVERYONE !! Cases are BULL SHIT !! Cases derive from a FRAUD, a test FRAUD !! Im talking TOTAL DEATHS you moron !!
So basically you asked your citizens to behave like adults and they did. Instead of treating them like children.
No, Swedes followed the authority and died in droves as the result.
@@lassehaggman Not true at all, and the evidence does not lie.
Not just treating them like chidren but controlling them
Perhaps because people DID actually behave like adults, there was no need to discipline them like children. There are always two ways to look at situations...
@@tl4172 14.894 would tell you that you are wrong, but they can't.
Unherd - thrilled to have found you. I am an Australian living in the state of Victoria (the most locked up location in the world). My State Govt has now given itself the most tyrannical powers imaginable despite mass protests against such. Attempting an open conversation about alternative strategies in dealing with Covid is impossible and you are labelled dangerously radical. Thanks for your videos.
Well said Jeanette! I am also Victorian and our state government scares the shit out of me at the moment. Hopefully this sort of content can be spread far and wide!
You have been deceived by the media, government, pharmaceutical companies and doctors. It has been known for at least 150 years that germs do not cause disease. This was proven by a biologist by the name of Antoine Bechamp. He was a contemporary of Louis Pasteur. It was proven that germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it. Recent technology and understanding of vitamins has further confirmed this information. Disease is unnatural and doesn’t occur by itself in nature. Humans have strayed from nature by growing cereal crops to store for the winter period when foods are scarce. Unfortunately, there is a hidden cost in eating grain food. When plants make a seed they add toxic chemicals and sharp edges to discourage foraging animals from eating grass seeds and some tree seeds. When animals eat grain seeds the toxic chemicals and sharp edges irritate the gut causing inflammation of the gut lining. (leaky gut syndrome) This causes gaps in the gut lining to expand which allows gut bacteria and food material to enter the bloodstream. Also, grain is deficient in vitamins which humans need. Grain is a high octane fuel designed for birds. When humans eat grain it causes an acceleration of their metabolic rate and a small increase in body temperature. A doctor would call this a fever. But this fever is not caused by germs, but by fast digesting sugars from grain, alcohol, milk and refined sugar sources. This is the true cause of 99% of all human disease. Note - Junk food causes disease, not germs. That’s why coronavirus mostly occurs on cruise ships, nursing homes, theme parks and fast food outlets. There is only one human disease which is called vitamin deficiency disease. There are not thousands of different diseases. There is no such thing as viruses. I know, because I have worked in an electron microscope unit where I learnt how to use all the equipment. I also learnt about the electron microscope’s limitations as well. An electron microscope wouldn’t be able to find a ‘virus,’ if in fact; they did exist. You can’t photograph what you can’t find. All alleged photos of viruses are blurry images. Why? This is a deliberate deception because viruses don’t exist, so they have to make the photos unclear so that nobody can see that the photos are of cell debris and are not photos of viruses. The electron microscope can see individual atoms so there can be no excuse for not having clear and precise images of so-called ‘viruses’. The average age of people dying from so called ‘COVID 19’ is 79.5 years of age which is the exact same as the average life expectancy. Thus, there has been no decrease in life expectancy which means nothing has changed. Common diseases like heart attack and influenza are renamed COVID 19, so don’t be fooled by medical and government officials who hope to gain profit, power, money and population control from this huge global scam. Help to stop this medical system dictatorship. Sign petitions against forced vaccinations. References - Virus Mania by Torsten Engelbrecht and Stefan Lanka virologist - youtube
@@byronbarry3060 If we still believe that is about covid then we are in danger.
Fellow Victorian and what Jeanette says is very true. Dictator Dan Andrews has given himself incredible powers to subjugate anyone in Victoria under the guise of "public health". I truly think that I am under a lot more threat and harm from the government and the militarised police than I am from covid.
@@jonomate Its a new form of Nazi dictatorship which was predicted to happen by Aldous Huxley 70 years ago.
Don't know if I agree with vaccination for COVID being the requirement for everyone. After all, there are studies showing unvaxed people who had COVID and recovered having a better and longer-lasting immunity from COVID. For volnurable sections of population vacine is a must-have, sure, but for the not immunally compromised - do we actually need it to stop the deaths?
I'm surprised the guy is so pro-vaccine especially after admitting its ineffectiveness. The vaccine obviously cannot stop the spread, as the cruise ship incident proves that, and it also proves that its not a pandemic of the unvaccinated as well. Some say its more a pandemic of the co-morbid, which I find to be more logical at this time, as when you see the patients in the hospital, they almost always appear obese. Most people who catch it, likely have mild symptoms, and never go to the hospital and never get tested. But once they have caught it, they will likely never catch it again.
Ask yourself who is spreading the covid variants,the unjabbed cant travel abroad,why is nobody mentioning this.
@@ellepant POW. Truth🙏🏼.
It gets different when you have to make choices for a whole population. Some fringe cases looks ridiculous such as not having to wear a mask at a restaurant when sitting - as if the virus was height dependant (LOL). However, even if the vaccination only make you 15-20% less likely to spread it (I made up those numbers, no idea how effective it is), that makes a huge difference on the population level
Same thing goes for vaccine side effects. As long as the side effects are much less than long term effects from the virus, you have to give a recommendation to get a shot on a population level - even though it might make little sense for you as a young, healthy man to take it on an individual level if you are sure your body will handle the virus well.
I love hearing a humble scientist without any political behavior, this creates the trust we so desperately miss.
Well he is sort of kind of not technically a scientist, and certainly not in the role of one. The accurate term is bureaucrat . And that not like a bureaucrat in a bad way, just a objective way, the post he have is a bureaucrat one, not a science one.
And for his education, he is sort of in between a researcher and a graduate student
This was as political as it gets - you must have watched a different interview.
What I like about Tegnell if how cold he is. He's a scientist trough and trough and I honestly don't think he lost a single nights sleep about the deaths his policy may or may not have caused. Overall I think his path was more or less correct especially with the schools.
@@5thEstatePress What do you talk about. pretty much everyone in Sweden agrees that this was the way forward.
There is only really two parts where there was political conflicts.
Border control. Sweden had pretty much none.
Healthcare usage. And well, this was sort of a scandal. This was not part of FHM policy, so it really have nothing to do with them, but in effect, the eldercare system in effect had a policy of using morpthine, practically executing people that deamd to expensive to save.
He also looks far healthier than those miserable dimwit health bureaucrats we have enforcing their venal medical home detention policy on the populace here in Australia
The UK sometimes loses 50K+ people in a single flu season, but we've never gone crazy about that in the past. Yet for some reason, C19 justifies going to crazy town (and never coming back). I firmly (still) believe the fear of C19 was heavily exaggerated and manufactured (at a cost of £330 million per year in advertising). I have a choice: either believe what my own eyes and experiences tell me, or believe the "C19 horror stories" pumped out by the government and media. After 18 months, I've made up my mind.
@Paul Simon McCarthy lots of us know this... an increasing number are slowly begining to pipe up about it.. 20% = critical mass..
The level of Public conditioning is pretty epic, fear and profit driven "safety measures" needs to be eradicated. Humanity needs to evolve from this vicious cycle of self abuse.
Consuelo Patagonia From covid or with covid ? .. and it's such a shame the vaccine isn't stopping people being admitted to hospital.
@Consuelo Patagonia Assuming that figure is correct more than 55 million people die every year on average.
You are a fool - look at the actual statistics.
Imagine if we swabbed everyone for flu and did a nightly tally on the news?
Living in Sweden, I've thanked my lucky stars many times over that Anders Tegnell and his competent group of epidemiologists have led the way. Life here has been fairly normal. I'm particularly sorry for the UK with its non-science based blanket lockdowns, its compulsory masks and the fact that a twit like Neil Ferguson was, and still is, listened to.
I would substitute a vowel, in relation to Ferguson, but twit will serve - in fact, twit will do!
Well ... i sort of agree.. maybe not Anders personalty, but the system that was in place to support a more scientific approach and not like in UK where a famous person say something and the media dogpiles politics until they change there mind.
Worth saying that the System in Norway and Finland in fairly simular than Sweden, and the lockdown effors in Norway is very similar to the one in Sweden (really just the border control that differs). Still media claimed that norway had a harsher lockdown to make it sound like it works. Its hard to deny Norway is one of the best nation in the world out of this
@@matsv201 in his last interview he said that they were following the same protocol as the UK. Unfortunately the UK went absolutely bonkers and political but Sweden stood fast and came out shining compared to the UK.
@@janecooke9151 well.. yes. Hence dogpile and famous stupid People.
I think the would have been legal problem in sweden sluttning things down. Some municipality try to stop a protest, they are in court now.
Also the ruling goverment is like a 28% minority. They didnt want anyone to be upset
Yes, you have been incredibly lucky to be living in Sweden. Australia is also a huge mess.
I really appreciate how Sweden has been handling this situation. BUT, why are the side effects of the vaccines not discussed here? Social duty to get vaccinated??? How are these statements any better than what other scientists or politicians say in other countries?
Excellent point!
This simply proves that Sweden is full on board Agenda 2030 since the beginning
Just compare Sweden to findland Norway and Denmark and you see that this guy is full of crap. The death rate and infections are four time higher than this four countries. If you put Iceland is even worst. Compare Sweden with UK is like comparing Peru to NZ
Exactly, might as well be UK Mainstream news. UnHerd??
EXACTLY! My wife is an ER nurse in Florida and knows for a FACT that strokes are way up and more than likely cuz of the vaccines. Pretty sure heart issues are way up as well but can't say with absolute certainty.
He is careful, humble, measured...and he acknowledges both the horrible damage caused by the disease itself and also by some of our hasty reactions to it. He walks a careful line and errs on the side of restraint (first, do no harm). This is what we as citizens in every country in the West have every right to expect from our public health officials. That we have received something else entirely is an unfathomable failure of our institutions.
Absolute and utter bollocks...he is towing the WHO line, as does his predecessor...traitorous turncoat piece of sh*t...f*ck him
He seems afraid to talk about natural immunity. However, this is the strong point of his strategy. It's odd.
Namby pamby comment from another sleep walking rip van winkle...you really are totally and utterly fucking lost
@@ThePtoleme Correct, it is odd. I think he’s been leaned on, heavily. Or he really trusts other institutions like they were his own.
I suspect Sweden promised to vaccinate everyone as per the plan and that they didn’t need any lockdowns to achieve this.
@@GNeuman Who made you THE DECIDER? Must be nice to be so sure of yourself. Maybe you should be our nation's CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISOR. Not!
“True to his word” and “judge me in a year” - about the only leader in all of this who has kept his word and held himself accountable. I salute you Anders.
Especially he was always honest and always humble, no matter if the times were good or bad.
How refreshing.
He is the light seen from the inside of a dark tunnel, or the light house far away in a dark night. He should get the next Nobel price for his contribution.
He has been wrong in every forecast. He believed there would be "herd immunity" in Sweden in the spring of 2020. In the autumn, only 8% of the population in Stockholm, the worst area, had anti-bodies. This guy might be popular for his policies but regarding reality he is clueless.
@@nillejoslin " In the autumn, only 8% of the population in Stockholm, the worst area, had anti-bodies."
So I guess that means Tegnell is not a wizard and does not have powers of divination huh? I believe few of us expected that. Apparently this new disease did not trigger antibody response to the same extent that we estimated from studying previous diseases, but it does trigger t-cell response, which is similar in usefulness.
I am immeasurably grateful I've been living in Sweden throughout this pandemic! So sad to see my own country, the UK, went insane and threw all our most cherished values aside. Anders Tegnell's management has been admirable. Thank you, Anders for doing your job and not following the hysterical herd.
“The hysterical herd.” Well said.
You are the lucky one...greetings from Canada 🙄 i've always loved Sweden, but it was nearly impossible to immigrate there lately...
Yes, the UK fared even worse than Sweden, if possible.
I'm a Sanger (from Canada, UK roots), living in Sweden as well, and also very grateful to be here during this time!
@@lassehaggman Even worse? What do you mean? Sweden had one of the best total death rates in their history.
So wonderful to see a government that treats its population as responsible grown ups !
Well.. that really depends on the subject.
Of all the health officials, Tegnell is the one that I'd be most likely to trust because Sweden respected people's rights by not locking down, not restricting movement and he comes across well.
You do know you're only allowed to buy alcohol from special state-owned stores with bad opening hours?
That home schooling is not allowed? (Risk group parents where *forced* by threat from authorities to send their kids to school even when pandemic was at its worst.)
You may dislike the idea of being forced to wear a mask, but many people in Sweden were forbidden by their employers to wear them, including in nursing homes and healthcare.
Do you actually like freedom or do you just want everyone else to be forced to live the same way you do?
@@McPuffster The schools themselves didn’t enforce the mandated schooling during the worst periods when they knew the kids came from vulnerable homes. I know because we had many such cases.
The masks are useless against airborne diseases, the aerosols are to small to be caught by them. You need at least an M95 mask or better for them to be of any use. This is why they weren’t mandated. It was following the science.
@@McPuffster Fuck i love sweden even more when you tell this shit. No in sweden if you work in an nursing home you are proablably inforced to were a mask or a mask and a visor. Stop lying
I was surprised at how he claimed the vaccines are necessary to "control" covid. I expected him to at least give some credit to the natural herd immunity which seems to have played at least a big part (if not the biggest?). It is very nice to see someone high up having a candid discussion about the virus.
It's actually consistent with what he stated from the very beginning.
From the beginning he was very clear that the only way out of the so called pandemic was vaccines.
What he was very clear on is that vaccine development takes several years to safely achieve, so in the interim he was recommending a policy that allowed Sweden to have a consistent approach.
He didn't want to lockdown, open, lockdown, open, until vaccines were ready. He could not have known it would only be a year before they were ready to use under "EUA".....
Now i don't agree with that premise, which is the premise of most modern nations, that vaccines are the end all be all but he was very very clear on this issue. In his view he wanted a steady policy until the shots were ready.
The government tried to overrule the health department in the winter of 2020, giving itself greater enforcement powers, but most were never used.
I think people are too locked into their ideological beliefs, even myself.
I may not agree with Tegnell on the benefits of vaccines, but i find his approach rational and thoughtful.
I do not believe in perfection or hero worship, so i think it's important to listen to those in Sweden who have attempted to expose some of the possible criminal government policies led by Tegnell's team.
There are accusations that seniors were sacrificed early in the so called pandemic.
Also accusatations of abusive misconduct towards members of the immigrant population.
So one sort of policy for domestic Swedes and another for immigrants.
These need to be looked into...
These are complex issues and we should not whitewash abuse or criminal behavior.
@@sammyslam1 To achieve high levels of sero-prevalence in society, we'd need to basically keep the kids in schools as in boarding schools, like LIVING in the schools, remove the fat and immuno-compromised kids/teachers, and let covid rip through the school population (by school I mean all the way through post-graduate studies) the cohort most capable of dealing with this.
It's impossible to achieve natural immunity while large swaths of population are cowering at home. Sweden did that... but only to a point. Their school system was only intact for the 14 and unders, but older students saw a fair number of restrictions.
Future pandemic planning MUST focus on population health and preparedness. It is SO much cheaper to make people healthy, than to fix them when they're sick.
@@sammyslam1 For him to claim that vaccines are necessary to achieve som reasonably high level of herd immunity must clearly indicate he is either not entirely honest or that he is incompetent. Or am I missing something?
@@VerySeriousUser Yes!
His whole tone suggested to me that he's been forced to accept the arguments for mass vaccination, when no evidence exists to support such a policy, especially for a relatively benign respiratory virus.
But then, I'm just a raving conspiracy theorist!
@@gedofgont1006 I completely agree. Maybe I, too, am a crazy conspiracy theorist but everything seemed honest and reasonable apart from the "vaccines are the only way".
I doubt he can seriously think that there is no natural immunity.
Here is how this guy comes across, last year, he was the hero of “natural” immunity, as a means to herd immunity, and now he flipped and became totally vaccine centric, I wonder why??? He is peddling the common, deceptive, idea of “case” numbers having increased last winter. This is a measure of the total number of infections, not the rate of sickness, which it turns out, has not overwhelmed the hospital system.
I don't think it's fair to judge him that way. He's an epidemiologist. You'd have to be an absolute moron to not understand the utility of vaccines with that level of education. I think what has surprised everyone is how quickly effective vaccines became available. When all this started if you remember almost everyone were expecting (especially after the catastrophe in Italy) to simply suppress infections to allow healthcare systems to cope with case numbers for a very long time. IFR was unknown, CFR was very high. No sign of vaccines. It's a good bet that natural immunity is what you'd have to put up with. With vaccines that's obviously just a much safer road to the same destination.
Swedes trust their government a lot and are very obeying people. Without force or mandate almost 70% got vaccinated voluntarily. Since they are also very emotional people, they are easy manipulated by the MSM.
@@fk-hi6gs “emotional people” what do you base this on?
@@hinken3716 decisions are often based on emotional right and wrongs, kind of a higher emotional moral superiority. Decisions or things over all have to feel right, no matter if it's logical or rational right.
In TV interviews often the question is asked, "how did it feel" or "how do you feel" and not "what do you think".
Swedes are emotional, but are good not showing them, holding them in and down. Kind of insecure. But once alcohol is entering their bloodstream, they open up and they keep flowing.
Another thing I noticed is how the newspapers "speak" in an emotional tone, addressing and leading emotions.
I have traveled and lived in many countries and each countries has it own culprit of expression. That was my impression of Sweden. Often Swedes are characterized as introvert, and they are more so than their southern neighbours. Only because they are introvert and reserved doesn't mean they are not emotional.
Btw, have you ever watched an Ingmar Bergman movie?
@@fk-hi6gs I think you have too have grow up in Sweden and know about Swedish life to really know how Swedes are on an emotional level because your answer is the opposite of my experience of my home country. You talk about newspapers that have an emotional tone but probably didn’t notice that the newspapers using an emotional tone are morning newspapers like “Aftonbladet” and “Expressen” and are seen by the public as less serious. Another thing that makes it obvious that you haven’t grown up here is that you believe Swedes don’t know how to express their emotion. It might look like that from an outsider looking in but for me and many other Swedes Its very easy to talk about our emotions with close friends and family. We just don’t think the public room is the place to do so.
Btw yes I have watched an Ingmar Bergman movie. What does that have to do with anything?
A vaccinated person does not need to fear an unvaccinated. 💜🦋💜🦋💜
Unless an unvaccinated person takes up valuable hospital space due to their worse symptoms than if they had taken the vax. 💜 🦋
@@sylviablack4935 Who wouldn't have been in the hospital in the first place had they not blocked access to medication medically-proven to stop COVID. 💜 🦋
@@RedHairdo the what now? I'm interested, care to share this info?
Lets talk about early treatment protocols as they work in India, Mexico, Bolivia, El Salvador...Anti Inflammatories, Ivermectin, Zinc, VIT D & C...
Vitamin D certainly worked will in Finland as well.. but they been very hush about it. Finland distributed a huge amount of vitamin D in food products starting September 2020 (or rather increasing the amount). That in effect killed the second wave in Finland, not even detectable.
@@matsv201 Do you have any sources for your claims about Finland?
@@whomolgan what part of the claim?
Mexico has one of the worst stats in the world, along with South American countries of majority native populations. Native gene pools are less immune to Asian Coronaviruses. The reason rich countries fared poorly is not lack of treatment, it is absolute lack of health, obesity number one, then all other sedentary consequences.
@@matsv201 Sweden also fortifies food with vitamin d. There is a correlation between case fatality and the prevalence of vitamin d deficiency. All the nordic countries have good vitamin d levels and only 1% mortality or less. The rest of Europe have 2-3% mortality. You are the boss of your immune system though. So either get tested and start supplementing, or trust your local politician that everything is fine and vaccines are the only thing we need.
Bravo Sweden for providing the lockdown control group. Rather than playing out Churchillian fantasies like our “leadership” here in the UK, and rather than playing to the gallery, you trusted your people, used long thought out pandemic strategies, and achieved a much less disastrous outcome. Nobody demands perfection from our leadership, all we ask is a little more truth, a little less brainwashing, and a smattering of integrity. Professor Tegnell would seem to provide all three. Thankyou.
How about 100% truth, 0 brainwashing?🙃
Great post. Thank you Paul.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
@@bjornhellman8474 Actually, the neighbors of Sweden did too well. They all had negative excess mortality.
And Sweden did a lot better than most European countries, with much less restrictions, which does have a value of its own. Basically only Germany did better on deaths, but not by much, and at a high social cost. I couldn't go to a restaurant or the gym for 7 months last winter.
Sweden definitely did best. But i tend to think it was by chance.
Churchillian fantasies?? Boris made the right decision to lockdown initially and then open up eventually. The right strategy. Biden with mask and vaccine mandates and blaming everyone else for his incompetence has the wrong strategy. Any zero covid strategy is the wrong strategy.
Secondly you can't compare Sweden to the UK. Sweden has a low population over a large geographical area and is not a global travel. You are comparing apples with something that ain't even fruit
FROM ITALY WE SEE YOU AS A GREAT AND GOOD JOB-COUNTRY. IN ITALY WE HATE OUR GOVERMENT FOR THAT ABSURD GREENPASS-DICTATORY-POLITIC
Refuse vaccinations and sue them !
Italy repeated the Mussolini experiment, and the rest of the world followed. So reminiscent of...
I thought Italians like fascism 🇮🇹😉
I have been traveling to Sweden for the past two summers and the social contrast between Sweden and the rest of europe is staggering.
Just with deaths
@@davidellis1923 ? The Covid death rate and excess death was lower than European average.
@@davidellis1923 Baaa...Baaaaa...
@@davskol If you take the Nordic countries Sweden was had a death rate 3 times their neighbours. But their approach of following the data and concentrating on the most effective measures has to be recommended .
@@dermot1575 Why compare only with their neighbours? Should other countries also be compared only with their neighbours as well?
I’m Swedish and have been living in the north of Italy through the pandemic so really experienced the two opposites in how the situation has been handled. Very proud of being Swedish and admire greatly the courage of our Anders Tegnell. Something almost impossible to express here in Italy, though.
If only they had tried Iver mectin too.
I live in the United States, and for the first time I feel envious of another country. Even though I live in one of the least restrictive states.
I'm Italian and live in the North of Italy.
I think you must have seen the typical Italian behaviour.
A Swedish recommended rule is much more efficient than an Italian compulsory rule.
if we exclude the first 40 days in the first lockdown, Italians on average don't give a shit what the government has to say and ignore most rules many times every day.
@@santopino2546 your message is wasted on these antivaxxers here, I am afraid.
Hello, how was the situation in Italy??
Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease - we must consider risk-trade off to any
health policies, which usa never did.
Perfectly said. Our US health policy leaders just don’t seem to understand that holistic truth.
Or the UK
They basically decided that they didn’t want to be responsible for any deaths or blamed for anything. So they took the most extreme measures to wash their hands of it all and say “see, we did everything we could.”
Or Canada, or Australia, or New Zealand
Agreed. I am thankful it wasn't a blanket thing in the US, however. The vast majority of the midwest didn't take all these measures. Aside from an initial few weeks of lockdown where we are, no mandatory policies here.
Very disappointed that there was no mention of natural immunity from previous infection and how that has contributed immensely to herd immunity. Otherwise, Sweden did a great job keeping schools and businesses open during the pandemic.
Mandatory vaccines are not necessary and should be avoided by those who have natural antibodies in order to avoid any adverse effects of the vaccine.
Thank you for staying what ought to be obvious. If govts have been overreacting it must be that they suspect covid19 to be an unquantifiable bio weapon?
Dr Peter McCulloch (cf Bret Weinstein interview) gives (an authoritative) account of misdirections in this whole affair.
This pandemic shows who really are adults in the room. I am afraid there aren't many but happy to see at least one.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
How many suicides in those countries? How many overdoses? Look at the whole picture. If lockdowns worked, we wouldn't need lockdowns.
@@chrisp7530 So why don't you give us the figures? Don't just throw up imagined possibilities.
@@chrisp7530 Suicides? The U.S. has a higher sucide rate than Sweden. Don't complicate things. It's enough that Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
I'm in Australia... God I wished we did things like Sweden.... living here is like being in a dystopian nightmare
There is no social duty to get vaccinated. Getting vaccinated is for the benefit of the patient, if you are not at risk then you do not need to get vaccinated. As to the transmission argument, it doesn't matter if you pass it on to someone who is at risk if they are vaccinated, they will be protected. Its not a social duty to force people to take a medical procedure they don't need and to discriminate them if they refuse. Thats not a social duty
it is so well said that I would like to copy your text to my net,if you do not mind.
There can be a social duty to reasonably avoid ailment when resources are tight. For instance, don't do a dangerous TikTok challenge that puts you in a hospital when a) hospitals are out of space, or b) insurance premiums increase on all to compensate.
However noted, almost every 1st world country is doing a poor job at avoiding ailments in general, COVID policy aside OR included.
@@ludmilaivanova1603 I thought exactly the same!
@@josheastwold5360 this is what I got from your comment: “even if the vaccines don’t work, you have a duty to submit to social pressures, or risk not being included in regular society.” Is this what you meant to say? Do you not see the dangerous precedent this sets?
Sounds reasonable
A free, independent scientist from a freedom-loving country, quietly talking good sense. Not an obliging panic monger. Good man.
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors.
/Swede
Freedom-loving country? sweden?:):):):) "Niemand ist mehr Sklave, als der sich für frei hält, ohne es zu sein."
@@syntaxerror8955 But the overall mortality rate was lower. Think about it.
@@esionarts3089 why dont you use a swedish saying instead if you have such a good understanding surly you know a relevant one.
If you treat people like children, they act like children.
You must mean like here in Australia that is how our Politicians are behaving
You mean obedient order followers right?
I have watched most of your content - which has helped me stay sane over the last 18 months. It feels like a small but important chapter is closing. Before it does, I want to say thank you for being a (fairly) neutral journalist (something that has been lacking in mainstream media) and thank you also for staying the course with your audience throughout.
Freddie's opening remarks about it being 'his' (Tegnell's) decision not to impose a mandatory lockdown immediately raise an eyebrow.
Actually, he followed the pre-existing pandemic plan of all advanced Western nations, which was only ripped up when China took a different route, followed by Italy.
But that apart, it was a very fair and illuminating interview, as is invariably the case with Freddie's on this subject.
The fact that he didn't trash the previous pandemic planning IS to his credit though. He stood fast with pre-existing knowledge, whereas other state officials succumbed to hysteria.
Swedish minister's remarks (to a personal friend Dan Hannan):
"We basically used Britain's pandemic plan. The difference is, we stuck with it."
Whoops.
@@hayleylongster4698 Whoops for who?
it’s unbelievable how easily the west followed the communist approach of Chinese nomenklatura, the authoritarian way... we should be utterly ashamed. So much damage was caused, more significant than the virus itself. I am afraid we didn’t learn anything
In his initial interview in July 2020 Tegnell actually pointed out that Sweden was just following the agreed plan and that it was everyone else who was throwing theirs out, and he expressed his surprise that they were surprised about Sweden! When he felt the surprise was what the others had done!
Neutral, unbiased interviewing. I wish Fox and CNN here in the US could take a chapter out of your book.
Well said🙌
I’m not saying that CNN doesn’t have it’s problems but lumping it with Fox, which openly denies being a news channel, is odd.
@@rustworker prior to the entire covid crisis and the Biden presidency I would have immediately agreed with you... now I would say that both are so heavily flawed and stuck in their own narrative that I think both are just propaganda machines
Well said! We need scientist not media or politicians telling us what to do when the next pandemic strikes.
@@rustworker compare them both to the BBC or Reuters and perhaps you will see my emphasis on unbiased. Could Anderson Cooper really claim to be unbiased in his reporting on Trump, for example?
Great guy. I just think he is being way too kind about the vaccine. The data out of Israel is disturbing.
Agreed.
Include Iceland and Singapore in that.
He is the first one to be informed about disturbing data on vaccines and more important, he is an expert. I am sure you are NOT.
But didn't Israel take the second shot too soon? Within only about three weeks or so instead of waiting for about six weeks or so to be effective?
@@Anna-Gunilla1792 I believe that's the right time frame. 3 to 4 weeks not months like Canada.
while I admire his steadfast manoeuvring through mad times with a more sensible and human approach, he has succumbed to the pharma story. All despite overwhelming evidence that V for younger people has more risks in side effects than from C itself, and that any claim that V prevents transmission or severity of the disease is wishful thinking and questionable science claims.
Check countries in rest of the world, where C panic was not infused... and nearly no V available... they are doing fine apart from massive impact in economy.
we are afraid of dieing from C and claim to want to save every life but accept millions of people dieing as effect of our restrictions. Humanity is facing more dark days.
“Overwhelming evidence” nope
Well-deserved praise for this man's restraint concerning the implementation of tyranny must be tempered with his lack of addressing the benefit-risk balance with respect to the fact that the long-term consequences of the vacks are unknown and potentially very harmful. Vaccination has become a reprehensible buzz-word that cannot be questioned.
You DO know that Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors, don't you? (I mean in total, not the last two weeks or so.)
/Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 We also have the highest popopulation of all the Nordic nations. Statistically, we should have more deaths.
Here's where the statistics currently stand compared to the rest of the Nordic countries so far in December:
Sweden: 3063 new cases, 14 deaths.
Finland: 1781 new cases, 59 deaths.
Norway: 5355 new cases, 53 deaths.
Denmark: 6985 new cases, 93 deaths.
We have both the lowest daily death rate and total death rate for December in all of the Nordic region, with the second-to-lowest amount of daily cases after Denmark. We're doing pretty damn well considering the fact that we have the highest population size of all of them.
@@CriticalRoleHighlights You weren't exactly the valedictorian, where you? I wrote "per capita" so Sweden's larger population is already accounted for. Don't comment to things you lack the education to understand. Meaningless of me to waste my time on people not understanding basic English, so bye, bye!
I am literally the only person in my life who supported the Swedish method from the beginning. I feel validated after watching this. Most Americans cannot see past there own nose and people’s acceptance of draconian lockdowns is whole heartedly scary. The plan was no plan with constantly moving goal posts. Very manipulative behavior and I’ve lost a lot of respect for people after this
It's called narcissistic abuse that most countries displayed. Telling people who they can and cannot see, what to wear, i.e. masks, blaming them if things went wrong.
@@andreasissons7766 No evidence to back your "view" which is clearly ideological. Enjoy your delusion. I am very happy here in Australia.
@@totaramgandhi5117 you don't know any different so therefore you are deluded and brainwashed. Please stay in Australia.
@@andreasissons7766 What is your idea of "knowing different"? Just some way to trash my opinion? Who is deluded and brainwashed? You or I?
@@totaramgandhi5117 you
Ha! I've been waiting a long time for this video. Way to go, Sweden!!
NZ is failed also..
Sweden was only one country which was right from the beginning!
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
A thumbs up for you mister Tegnell. You may not be perfect but you still did a lot better than many other people who basically forced fear down our throats.
In Sweden we have many times more dead (per capita) than in our neighbour countries. Finland and Norway closed down strictly for a period when Sweden decided to hold the society open and even let airplanes in from Italy and Iran.. So our decided policies costed many, many lives. If you should listen to someone, don´t listen to Sweden. Liste to our Nordic negighbours who really dared to take steps at a crucial period, and succeeded.
@@bjornhellman8474 you are being manipulated by the social fabric of society. What you are counting as "dead" are people who almost all of them would still be dead right now even if covid never existed. Stop buying into the covid hysteria. It's a regular virus like many mild viruses we had in the past hundreds of years. If you think people should not be dying of diseases I am really sorry for you but you are missing on how the real world looks like. I am aware 100% of the fact that I will be DEAD one day and I am not the least bothered by it as long as it's a natural death like a disease or organ failure because at the end of it we ALL die. No exceptions. I know what I am talking about and I am very much aware of how people use "dead" people for political points. That dishonest crap has to stop. People die literally by the 60 millions every single year worldwide and before covid no one gave a flying fuck about that many people dying of diseases so please stop acting as if it matters now.
@@howtheworldworks3 No, intelligence is simple; Sweden still has many times more dead than our very similar neghbours Norway and Finland. It is very easy to show the causes behind those differences. Everyone knows them.
@@bjornhellman8474 You replied like a robot. Take a look at yourself. You see numbers and yet you have no idea what they mean in the real world. Let me show you what they mean with an example in my town. In my town with an average population of around 10k in the year 2020 instead of an average 50 people dying of diseases and organ failure(these are what people call natural death) there were an average of 55. No one with a sane clear mind cares about that kind of fluctuation in the town's population. Not even the people who died themselves! You know why? Because they knew they were going to die from other causes if it wasn't covid. I never denied that covid helped some people die sooner and you totally missed my point. Death is a natural expected thing for those who understand it and the reality is that covid is not a big deal for most people. Fear was fabricated. Morons like you who can only see numbers instead of empathizing with the people that live in the real world were brainwashed by that fear.
@@bjornhellman8474 Agree. I think its strange that this isnt mentioned. Greetings from Norway.
Anders, please come to Australia to replace our hysterical and incompetent Chief Health Officers who are ruining our country.
Equating to Australia's larger population, Sweden would have over 30,000 COVID deaths. Australia has 1,200. Pretty obvious which health officers did a better job. Australia just waiting now until it gets to 90% vaccinated, after a slow start (due to Prime Minister failing to order enough doses). COVID has already become a serious disease only for the unvaccinated (or unboosted) in most countries with adequate vaccination.
@@vw9659 locking up people and beating them up, if they want to leave their house. you didnt listen to mr. tegnell. how do you compare countries? in sweden there is almost no sun for 4 month in winter. does australia have this? no covid is idiocy.
@@hartwigzehentner2730 No point discussing such things with people like VW; i'm guessing he is a collectivist or authoritarian or both, and for him individual freedom is to be severely curtailed at every opportunity, including those health crises which could otherwise be well managed without massive collateral damage. Your point is well made about the benefits of the Australian climate.
@@errollwithtwolsplease1038 thanks. we live in different worlds. and thats fine with me, as long as they dont tell me what to do😁
@@vw9659 it hasn't become a serious disease for the unvaccinated. it's a serious disease for high risk groups. and high risk groups are very, very, very small relative to any population sample you look at. stop massaging data.
The best thing with this pandemic is UnHerd
And Iron Wolf :)
Pandemic Podcast is good too
I am biased because I havent had a vaccine yet. I just haven't been able to get my head around why it needs to be universal, given immunity is also developed naturally and only the elderly and vulnerable are most at risk.. I also have a distrust of the financial incentives in the medical industry. I try to avoid drugs as much as possible without being an "anti". I also find such things like the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity...convenient. So with that and more in mind I am sceptical of Ander's promotion of vaccine as the answer. I'm not sure about this social duty idea
EDIT: I got COVID a few weeks ago. Got all the symptoms plus a sore throat. No breathing problems. A fee days in bed and a few days recovering from poor sleep and all good. Feeling strong as ever now. At 52 years old am I an outlier or the norm?
My thoughts exactly. They've gotten to him. His message was a lot more firm at the start of all this
These aren't vaccines anyway. They are dangerous experimental injections that don't provide immunity or prevent transmission.
@@user-zz9gn2dc3l exactly
Vaccines give you a level of immunity without having to become a host for the virus. While you are a host you can spread the virus to others who might not be as strong as you.
Also, there are some risks involved with going through the infection even if you are healthy. Long term loss of smell is one of them that can cause other health issues down the road. In Sweden it is estimated that around 400000 people have problems with their sense of smell after covid. They have set up a special clinic to try tackle this problem.
Vaccines were always the solution. The text below is from the training material published by his agency before this pandemic:
”By trying to reduce the spread of infection and delay the course of the pandemic, there is a possibility that the top of the spread curve is shifted and flattened. In this way, the burden on healthcare and society can be reduced as the proportion of patients at a given time (the top of the curve) decreases, the time for preparation increases and vaccines become available. Such an effect can be achieved with the help of medical measures (including antiviral treatment and vaccinations) and non-medical measures (including social distancing).”
These don't qualify to be called vaccines. They do not provide immunity or prevent transmission.
In August 2020 before vaccines there were 289 confirmed Government figures on covid deaths in that month, in August 2021 after experimental mass injections rollout there were 3,089 confirmed Government covid deaths in that month!! Think we can all draw our own conclusions now!
it's amazing how many people in the world don't think logically like this guy.
Most people in this world are morons, so, there you go.
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 that's a stupid comparison and you know it.
@@godzillaburger9690 Sorry, no, I don't have a clue why you think that would be "a stupid comparison". Educate me!
@@syntaxerror8955 ah so only deaths from covid matter. don't worry about all the people that died from missing their screenings, lost there businesses or jobs or killed themselves from depression cause by being lockdowned for a year. those deaths don't matter. I understand.
I welcome interviews like this. However, what Tegnell is allowed to say is restricted by the WHO. Not a word on natural immunity. All we hear is vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
Really?
How would.WHO do that?
Hold his pet dog hostage?
By the way he did mention.about natural immunity in this very same video.
Im not surprised you missed what he clearly mentioned in this video.
Im not surprised you are not the only one who missed that point and commented that you are totally disapointed that he didnt validate your believes.
You are unique yet in the fact that compared to all the others who had to open their clap trap without paying attention to what the man said you are the only one who is very sure he is under restrictions specifically from WHO when there is nothing to indicate it being so.
There is a point that he had implied without saying it directly though.
1. He mentioned Swedish laws make it illegal for a person to spread disease to others.
2. He thanked the Swedish people for behaving responsibly and taking the appropriate measures so that a lockdown wasnt necessary.
3. Final statement is the most important. He agreed with the interviewer that in Sweedens case, a lockdown wasnt necesarry.
Well, I got news for all the muppets who are claiming you guys were right all along about lockdowns.
He clearly said it worked for the Swedish because of their views on health and their general attitude which was taking the necesary personal precautions that enabled them to avoid a lockdown.
It wouldnt work in a society that has a significant percentage of certified idiots who are dumber than s door knob whining, whinging and refusing to use a piece of cloth covering their faces as a precaution against being easily infected.
Interesting discussion. I was a bit surprised at no discussion of those thousands who have recovered from this and have natural immunity which the latest data suggests is strong and long lasting.
Right. Still giving hope in that experiment. And calling it a vaccine SMH
I do not wish to make false assumptions but his lack of discussion in other approaches including early treatment with antiviral drugs makes me feel he is being suppressed in what he can say that does not mandate vaccination as the only valid solution. I would love to be proved wrong by a follow up statement by Sweden on what else they are doing besides vaccinating their population.
@Ford Prefect Maybe because "thousands of people" wasn't killed or injured...
And what about early treatment?
@@leifsimmons2464 Maybe you should read the data(In Norway ,there are registered more than 6000 serious adverse effects( only 2680 is looked at by the government so far, because of the amount of reports) You have to be totally biased to not acknowledge SOME deaths/ruined lives from that number! (We also know there are a lot of dark figures), or follow check out vaccinated sites(Facebook-pages) Where people are discussing their adverse effects. This May scare people and hinder the vaccine mania, therefor it's not "allowed " to focus on. And , we must never forget the humongous amount of influence Big-pharma has on media, politics, everything.
Although I don't agree with everything he says, I feel like he is a measured, logical, un-panicked human with whom I could have a reasonable discussion. Which is relieving, in and of itself, to know such people exist and have been helping to run countries. Thank you to Anders Tegnell for this interview (for being brave enough to keep coming back and facing critique) and for Freddie + UnHerd for bringing it to us.
This guy saved Sweden from a draconian lockdown or a stupid mask rule. Thank you Anders
i've always thought it is the social duty of vaccine developers to release patents and declare no profiteering during a pandemic....but doesn't look like they want to do that, so i have no interest in fulfilling my social duty of getting a vaccine. So until vaccine developers (the wealthiest with the most power) are mandated to release patents and banned from profiteering, i don't think we the people (with the least wealth and power) should be mandated to take their vaccine.
Dr Sam Bailey "Virus Mania" she also has a youtube channel
The best answer eric. Thanks!
HI
Apart from that being true, the very necessary PREVENTION of getting infected from ANY virus and its variants by taking prophilactic doses of Vit C along with nebulised Hydrogen Peroxide has been so TOTALLY suppressed by Big Profiteering Pharma that Hospitals cannot even give covid 19 patients Intravenous Vit C to restore their lung function as WUHAN did from the outset last year! So the Pandemic keeps going FOR THAT REASON ALLONE! PERFECT END TIME STORM! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
AZ did pretty well: 3$ a shot, vs $30 for moderna...which is why they were pilfered in the press, and people who took the AZ shot were even placed with travel restrictions! That's kind of ended now, since Bill Gates bought the 'rights'? to the vaccine from Oxford.
@@ardvarq9027 …can you provide more info about this “buy out”?
This is how you command respect, it works very well to not exaggerate, patronize, act overly dramatic and flat out lie. Thank you for the fresh air everyone needs after the mask suffocation mandates
Then you should pay attention to what he is saying… Around 70% of the people in Sweden are fully vaccinated… USA is around 50% only.
@@jorgegutierrez65 You should pay attention to natural immunity. If he is ignoring that than I will reconsider my position.
Don’t forget condescend and threaten
Unfortunately, commanding respect has very little to do with success in this case. Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
Ok Anders fellow Swede here, you seem to avoid talking about natural immunity that has been conclusively proven to be better than being vaccinated? Why? Why is this not being openly discussed?
Because there's no money in it
Cuz……..natural immunity involves a lot of casualties
Doesn’t fit the narrative of jab jab jab jab.
@@Bruno-tm3xo do you get paid to spout this BS.
@@Bruno-tm3xo It does, but what about people who already got it?
Ask this guy next year what he thinks about the vaccine.
Yep..
5-10 years is going to give the real answers……
We should also ask those that still suffers from their covid-19 infection in a year or two, if we’re gonna keep a balanced view of this
@@mcihs2 How would a vaccine effect a person ten years down the line thats ridiculous.
Anders Tegnell is a very competent
epidemiologist with knowledge of 200 years of experience with vaccines. The chance he will think differently about this vaccine in a year time is unlikely. Better question is, when will YOU change your mind about this vaccine. Does it take 10 years before you think it is safe?
You just never get this level of honesty with Jacinda Ardern re acknowledging mistakes. She's very Clinton'ess where she'll spew word-salad instead of just straight answers. Refreshing. Well done
I thought vaccinations don't work all that well, and Israeli hospitals are full of doubly vaccinated?
And if vaccines are the answer perhaps he should explain why everyone will soon need a 3rd booster shot? And then later a 4th etc?
@@mr.safensound4238 indeed. Also it seems that in Sweden, too, there is the same eery silence on natural immunity. It has to make you wonder, doesn't it.
The vaccine isn’t working and this guy knows this
The president clearly explained this already. The unvaccinated need to get the vaccine to protect those who already have the vaccine.
I agree, it seems a lot of people are ignoring the Israeli situation. Over 90% population vaccinated, yet 1000 cases per million people. Vaccine efficacy ware off after 6 months. I surprised at Dr. Tegnells overloooking this data.
I am from Sweden and really happy that we had Mr Tegnell who was basically the only top health adviser globally that relied on scientific evidence. Most others were politically motivated to enforce unscientific draconic restrictions.
Natural immunity is absent once again. Lets have a discussion on this subject please.
Yes, he's good on "lockdowns" and nonsense interventions, but it's unfortunate to hear him pushing the "vaccines". He can't be unaware of the superiority of natural immunity, nor of the obvious problems with injecting unapproved, scantily tested, computer-designed experiments into people who for the most part are in absolutely no peril from SARS2. So we are forced to presume he is partly compromised by Big Pharma.
Natural immuity will cause millions of deaths so why should a scientist like Anders Tegnell talk about it? Vaccine works well in proventing deaths.
@@zilfversurfer2157 I might be misunderstanding your assertion. How would immunity cause death?
@@EricM_001 Because natural immunity isn´t enough. Anders Tegnell said in this video that he thought natural immunity was enough to have a winter without high transmission and deaths and he was wrong even if sweden did alot better than other countries. So natural immunity cases with high vaccinations number would be preferd.
@@zilfversurfer2157 What do you think happened in the past? Do you believe that SARS2 is a radically new pathogen the like of which humanity has not faced before?
It seems like your perspective might be too narrowly focused on the current situation, which is mostly a hysterical overreaction to a nasty cold virus.
Most of the human race already possessed at least partial immunity to SARS2 before it even came into existence. Most of us have already hosted multiple coronaviruses, and our immune system remembers them. There is plenty of information out there to demonstrate this. I suggest you turn off Facebook and the "news", and do some research.
Start by looking into the concepts of all-cause mortality and excess mortality seen over the years. Then look up T-cell cross immunity.
I believe many of the commentators on this are missing a major point of Tegnell's story. He explained the voluntary measures worked so well in Sweden (and Scandinavia I should say) because people trust the government advice and fewer are captured by conspiracy theories. Which is exactly the opposite of what many of you want to hear.....
Sweden had death rates comparable to Belgium and the UK.
@@nillejoslin But damage to the economy / education and peoples jobs virtually unscathed .
@@miclewis55 Finland had a fraction of Sweden's deaths and a lesser GDP decline.
@@nillejoslin Have you always been a Swedophobe or did you become this way since this flu arrived on the scene ?
@@miclewis55 Just plain facts.
Good approach Sweden, but... "fantastic vaccines" - really? We already know that in areas with 90+% vaccination, there's still spikes and not the herd immunity these experts were talking about. I'm fully vaccinated but I'm against mandating something that's proven lackluster in preventing spread. How many "fantastic vaccines" (that aren't prudently tested) are we now going to have to take until these experts figure out that it's endemic and personal health plays an even larger role than getting a shot?
Really? Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 Absolutely, for sure. They would have had more deaths regardless of strategy. Isn't that obvious by now? You have to look at who's dying and not just at the numbers.
Well, the thing is at this point the current covid variants are mutating in a way that only those that are stronger than the variant used in the vaccine survive long enough to spread. The thing is the longer covid is around giving the virus more chances to mutate to the point where the vaccine we have is useless because it has become so different that the vaccine no longer covers it.
No mention of natural immunity, very odd.
He believes in it, but is holding on as "international HAWKS are watching him and will land on him is he siad that".
@@ammakrupa No he is a scientist and all the facts shows that the vaccines are very good. I guess you are not a scentist "Dr"
He did speak on it, and he stated the levels of immunity by the second season were lower than he'd expected, which caught them slightly off guard.
@@tallard666 yes and was right about it. Sweden had a second and third wave.
@@zilfversurfer2157 Yes, but each wave was progressively weaker, suggesting herd immunity was in operation throughout that period.
He did not joined the histeria.
He was brave,
He trusted his knowledge,
They could not corrupt him,
They could not Blackmail him.
Yeah, well, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. I would have preferred competernce over an impressive demeanor.
/Swede
@@syntaxerror8955
End August I was in Stockholm, it was business as usual, no histeria.
I still don’t see why the vaccination rate needs to be higher. If everyone understands the risks and they have been given ample opportunity to get vaccinated, isn’t the government’s job done?
With a good vaccine, the idea is you could effectively wipe out its spread, which should have the effect of protecting those who have weak immune systems. But with this vaccine, the spread still happens, and widely so, which defeats that purpose.
@@Simpleton_X Vaccines don't stop transmission vaccines are and have always been about protecting the vulnerable.
THESE vaccines don't. Others most certainly do. Jfc google it you moron.
Nowhere does he say Sweden won. He does say it's a social duty to get vaccinated and he also says because of the variants the higher the % of vaccinations in a country the better.
@@chatteyj are you one of those people who also insists vaccines whiped out small pox and Polio? The CDC have changed the definition of vaccines and herd immunity to suit this particular cash cow. The media a repeating the lie, and now so are you. Inoculation was ALWAYS supposed to stop a person becoming ill from a virus, and therefore preventing spread. This one does neither, and you can't have it both ways.
This is what i took away from the Swedish method vs the lockdown method, when people talked about the Swedish method in the winter of 2020-21 they almost always view it as a failure because Sweden was hit by a bad second wave. Sweden had a bad winter ergo their method was a failure but everywhere in the world was hit badly. Sweden was able to weather the pandemic at roughly the same rates as other nations. The key difference is the Sweden kept her economy running and civil rights unassaulted. Getting the same results as lockdown states but allowing people to be human and to live. That is the success, not that Sweden eradicated covid but that they got roughly the same results as everyone else in the world some times even better results then lockdown nations but they didn't need to trample on civil liberties, didn't need to destroy the economy, didn't need to keep people so isolated that a silent epidemic of mental health crisis's follows in the wake of covid lockdowns.
It's the "similar to every other country" that is the flaw in this. Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia all did a lot better in hospitalisations and deaths, and found ways to keep their economies bubbling along. Norway, Denmark and Finland also have done better than Sweden in both economics and deaths. So the real question is why Sweden didn't do as well economically as these countries?
@@brendanh8193 I would say Sweden has done markedly better than NZ and aus in regards to civil liberties. Denmark vs. Sweden you have a different model in the elder care facilities.
Denmark tends to have more yet smaller elder care facilities. Sweden has fewer but larger ones.
It can be easier to isolate smaller buildings than larger ones.
@@henrylicious
That was actually one of the major flaws of the Sweden initial response, for they didn’t protect the most at risk population as well as they could have. :/
Other than that, the pandemic isn’t over. Covid vaccines can have pretty large drop off rates after 6 months and most people will hit this 6 month period come Winter 2021-22 which will mean false sense of security for those with low naturally immune populations.
Meaning, Sweden may excel best than any other country while being totally open.
I hope I’m wrong and more people don’t die, but it’s looking like it from the Science we do know.
@@brendanh8193
I actually know a few things since I read up!
On NZ and AUS, they banned international travel at the start and use brutal lockdowns to regulate any Covid cases. It’s doable since they are both islands, but also has resulted in some serious Civil Liberty breaches that won’t be temporary (such as the recent ability to hijack your computer and online accounts without a warrant).
On Taiwan (and SK and Vietnam), they have been dealing with China’s diseases for years. They had a system in place, used massive contact tracing and targeted lockdowns to stop the spread.
So, unless you want the USA’s NHS to track everyone’s location and dox them at every infection, then you’re citing the wrong example.
The Nordic countries are the most interesting for sure. Norway just straight up blocked international travel, even with Sweden, which basically made them an island in terms of travel. That said, they only used localized lockdowns beyond the initial couple months, so more of an argument for locking down international travel and targeted local lockdowns, not the widespread restrictions that have killed almost half of small businesses in the USA. :/
Also, in terms of Denmark, they didn’t even have a mask mandate until October 2020 (which had zero affect on COVID spread) and didn’t lockdown until December 2020 and that lockdown resulted in the most violent rioting in Denmark in 40 years. Clearly, at some point people prefer freedom and risk over marginal safety at great costs.
And, I must stress this pandemic has another wave in it if we go by last year’s pattern. And, even worse, is that most people who got the vaccine first were the most vulnerable, so they will have the greatest immunity drop. Basically, most countries have created a great recipe for massive COVID spread and death come Winter, and only places that have high natural immunity will be basically fine.
I highly recommend reading up on all this. I used to be anti-contact tracing, but realized it is SUPER effective, I just don’t like the liberty costs associated with it and how government doesn’t give up the new powers they create for themselves. I mean, they can’t even balance a budget in the USA! :/
@@brendanh8193 I am not sure if you are trolling me. First comparing Island nations to Sweden and then comparing 3 nations with roughly half of Sweden's population and pretending these are fair comparisons. Lets just assume you honestly thought these were fair and breakdown why they are not fair and it is disingenuous to pretend they are fair comparisons.
You also compare three Island nations and i count Australia with no land boarder with anyone as an island nation. You think the two most isolated western world nations is a fair comparison to Sweden? Also both Australia and New Zealand violated civil rights in their lockdowns, Australia has concentrations camps for christ sake. I would say that gives Australia a fucking automatic failing grade.
Finland, norway and demark do not have anywhere near the same level of immigration numbers because they have 1/2 as much population. Norway and demark have less than 1 million foreign nationals and Sweden had twice that. Findland has less than norway/denmark. Sweden has roughly twice the population of any other Scandinavian country's. Also Norway and Finland are both Isolated from mainland Europe. Sweden has a direct land route to Continental Europe through Copenhagen.
In an epidemic it is unfair to compare isolated nations with lower immigration numbers and lower population to a larger nation with twice the immigrants and a direct land route with the heart of Europe. Immigration is a key factor a seeing how open the boarders are and open borders mean increased contact with infected people. In this case actual numbers are key not percentages because it is the actual numbers of people entering a nation that carry the disease. Open borders are normally a positive in most situations but they are negative in times of an epidemic. look at the stats with other nations with roughly 10 million people in Europe, Belgium 11m pop. cases: 1.258m 25k deaths, Portugal - 10m pop cases: 1.068m 18k deaths, Czech republic 10m pop, cases: 1.690m 30k deaths, hungry 9.6M pop cases: 821k 30k deaths, Greece 10m pop, cases 648k 14.7k deaths. Sweden 10m pop 1.149m 14.8k deaths
Looking at nations with the same population in western and central Europe because make no mistake a smaller population is a hell of a lot easier to protect than a larger population. We see the Sweden did as well or significantly better than most other 10m pop nations.
But sure try and compare Sweden to island nations and neighbors with 1/2 her population and act like Sweden's policy was a failure.
Thank you, Anders Tegnell! Thank you for being a humble scientist without any political behavior! Wish you were our epidemiologist! I’m in the US.
We'll judge you after this next flu season as there is still a probability of ADE, which is the virologists worst nightmare. Why vaccinate the healthy for something that can never be eradicated?
Why create it in the first place? Does anyone still believe its a coincidence they were performing Gain of Function research on bat sars at Wuhan?
Immune systems end pandemics. The "powers that be" should push good health and staying active, going outdoors.
Of course it helps...but even the fittest people do not have antibodies/t-cells etc to a new virus. They have to be produced either by an infection or by a vaccine.
@@andym9571 you’ve heard of T cell cross reactivity? Also good health supports a good immune system that can spring into action when needed l. Hence the elderly & those with comorbidities are at risk, younger fitter healthier are not. Not rocket science
@@mollyt4639 yes but even a healthy immune system takes several days ( the adaptive part ) to start fighting it . Having had a vaccine ( or a previous infection) it is ready to fight straight away. Those few days can be critical in how ill someone can become especially if someone is receiving a continual virul dose...like a nurse, bus driver etc
@@andym9571 if you’re healthy your adaptive & innate immune system are more than able to cope
@@andym9571 btw T cell cross reactivity doesn’t take several days to kick in
Not only have lockdowns caused mass unemployment, the UN says they are causing mass death due to supply chain disruption that is literally causing starvation in poorer nations.
August 2024. Waiting for the people who besmirched Anders to apologise. But it has all been swept under the rug. UK, Europe, America, all pretending it never happened.
I keep hearing the word social duty!!! Where the hell is the social duty towards African people who lost their homes, jobs and are now starving because of lock downs!!! Who is taking their SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO FEED AND HOUSE THESE PEOPLE??
He's incredibly humble and cautious, always avoiding definitive statements. True mark of a wise man.
Yeah, well, unfortunately, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
@@syntaxerror8955 Would have been near zero deaths had both Sweden and their Nordic neighbours followed the same path as India and Japan did. Too many pseudo-scientific denialists are out there preventing it, though.
From the ninetys I aperantely had to deal with Sweden on my jobside. Of course later on the comapny whas taken over by the big V...... company, the construction eqippment departement, though. I realy began to realise, that the swedish people are the most sensitive people, when it comes to matters of health and safety. This impression whas reinforced, when we travelled through Sweden on 2 holliday trips. A country that has this kind of sensible people in the government can call themselves realy blessed. Dr. Anders is a hero of our time.
This man claims vaccine mandating is a 'social responsibility'.
A recent study in the Lancet revealed transmission within households unvaccinated was 38%.
BUT
Transmission within vaccinated households stands at 28%.
In Australia people are not permitted to work without being vaccinated.
Does a drop in infection rates this small warrant coercing people into being injected with a vaccine that wears off, largely in 60 days, and completely in 6 months?
Obviously not, but some people don't even know about the effective date range of vaccine protection, this perception will change when the "boosters" turn out to be yearly shots.
The only thing Sweden did wrong, literally the only thing, was not isolating the elderly early on enough. They weren't alone... every other country in the world made the same mistake. Aside from that, Sweden's response to the pandemic was picture perfect. They're 43rd in the world in terms of deaths per million, 5th from the bottom in Europe in terms of excess deaths, and an economy that wasn't destroyed, public health systems that didn't defer diagnoses and treatments on things like cancer, and schoolchildren not suffering from the kinds of mental health issues that kids all around the world have to battle today. All because they were led not by the political class, but by science. An absolute example to the world, which I fear will go unheeded.
Many workers in the elderly care in Sweden works at several care homes so it wasn't possible to isolate. Then there wouldn't be anyone to take care of the elderly. A huge misstake how the care is organized :/
In UK we have been lied to, abused, bullied, isolated, terrified, financially ruined, treated with utter most disrespect for over 19 months now. Some of us have fared better than others but many are simply broken. I do not believe there is a social duty to take a medical substance somebody doesn't feel comfortable taking.
Good job with not locking down. However, not so good job recommending the experimental prototype drug - which is now generating new variants by the way. Dr. Robert Malone’s words (inventor of the mRNA vaccination technology) not mine.
Exactly!!
This is my concern as well. I am not anti-v, but do have real concerns about it being recommended broadly, and here in the US, mandated. I just don’t think it’s for everyone, and it hasn’t been long enough to make claims on either side of the debate, especially with such conflicting data.
If I was old and/or obese and/or immune-compromised, I'd be delighted that this was available and would mitigate my risks. However, I'm don't have any of these issues yet, so I'll be avoiding the vaccine for now
Only information I've heard and see about new variantes are among unvaccinated. So are you sure about that and can you link the source if you have one?
@@Zilanto Blaming the proliferation of the current delta variant and possible future variants exclusively on the unvaccinated is equally stupid as blaming it on the vaccines. Classic black and white fallacy. Unvaccinated may give rise to increase chance of "mutations" because more virus reproduction = more mutations. However, the vaccine will (at least in theory) generate a "selection pressure" on variants that work around high antibodies to spike protein. There's also the potential for ADE or other troubles should a variant arise that completely escapes the existing vaccines.
So the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission well, so the solution is we need more and more vaccinations? If it’s so effective at stopping severe Illness, why not allow those unwilling to get vaccinated to accept the risks? This doesn’t impact others safety at all, so I’m not sure how I see a civil duty to get the jab. 2c
could not agree more
“Zero covid” policy is not working out in Australia
Understatement
Nsw and Vic have given up on zero covid.
Not in NZ either...heading the same way as our Aussie mates
@@rjbiker66 yeah, they've adopted zero freedom, zero rights as a model instead.
@@duncefunce1513 can't argue with that summation. It's becoming very irritating.
Social duty? That doesn’t sound like him. Very disappointed
Refuse the vaccines and sue the state for infringemnents on Your rights. Pls see my more detailed comment published about 2 hrs after yours.
Completely agree with that! Not at all his spirit behind those words! Scary
It's so refreshing to hear a humble public servant.
He's big government -- big brother.
He's a narcissist who does not care about tens of thousand of people who died unnecessarily.
@@lassehaggman Ditto. As a government official -- he is part of the problem. He probably even agrees with Bill Gates ... th-cam.com/video/VHUtEd2gXNs/w-d-xo.html
@@climatecraze Crazy Trumpist Qanon shit. No further comments.
@@lassehaggman And then there's the Obama factor ... th-cam.com/video/0PaBQxEVTv0/w-d-xo.html
In light of his previous cautious and considered approach, Mr Tegnell would have been wise to hedge his vaccine optimism. We all hope for the best but there is no medium or long term data.
Right! Come back in 5 years to see the damage of the experimental injection of the secret (patented) formula.
@@roberteastwood6937 It can't be secret and patented. The Pfizer vaccine structure is publicly published. Don't know about the others.
We've vaccinated several hundreds of millions of people for well over a year now - the strong efficacy and safeness of the vaccines are overwhelming.
@@byz73 The vaccine starts waning after six months. Pay attention to Israel. Forth shot possibly in December. Four shots in less than a year isn't exactly promising.
@@tammylaronde8593 do you know the % of infections in Israel in unvaccinated children in current cases? How about % in people over 60?
I'm looking forward to this being well-defended
Yeah, well, Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. What is there to "defend"? Relatives to more than 15,000 Covid-dead Swedes would have preferred competence over image.
/Swede
Sigh, that really warmed my heart. It was so important to counterbalance number of lives with quantity of lives, and Sweden really succeeded at preserving civil liberties, free speech, AND unity throughout.
Authoritarianism is never the long term positive outcome.
Thank you Sweden, I want to move there!
He wouldnt follow the other lemmings. His strategy became best on the planet. Thanks Anders.
So basically while we are still dealing with this shit, Sweden has already got past it.
He is trying to be so measured, which may be a good thing but it’s also true that speaking freely may have possibly more accuracy and transparency, but can’t blame him, he’s doing very well considering the diversity of hard views and the sensitivity about the matter. A very admirable scientist.
I can say that Mr. Tegnell is absolutly one of my favorite epidemicoligist. He sure knew what he was talking about but seem like the gov sometimes dident lissen to him and his crew. Natural immunity according to all studies showing the absolut best way to overcome this pandemic, offcourse with personal way of thinking to not pass the virus to others. If sick stay home, get tested and wait it out, if get really sick call medics and not travel in public and so on.
What a typical Swede! Total humility. Respect for individuals’ rights. Expects social responsibility. Judicious, targeted actions. Government stays within legal rights. What a stark contrast to the sh__ show that’s been the United States during the pandemic.
only if you buys into his bullcrap
Australia is NOT a model worth duplicating.
Something in the AIR cannot be controlled.
Stop the absurd rules. All over the world.
"Social duty to get vaccinated." No thanks.
No, but it is our social duty to question the safety of the vaccines as they now in SWEDEN are vaccinationg children 16+ without parental consent . Also it seems they plan to do the same starting Oct 1st with 12+.
Pls see my detailed comment above published about 1 hr after yours ...
@@staffanlundberg If you replace "social duty" with individual responsibility I am in complete agreement with you Staffan. I will take a look.
@@anatolyadyatlov7301 point taken
Anders Tegnell has been a hero of mine, but I have one question.
*If vaccines don't stop transmission of covid why would they be viewed as a way to control the spread or the continuance of the pandemic?*
I can understand the vaccine's value in reducing the severity of health effects to patients who are infected. This argues that elderly people 65 and older and people with comorbidities such as obesity and diabetes get vaccinated since they are overwhelming the ones dying and and seriously ill. Children 1-18 and young healthy people are at very low risk. What is the justification for everyone to become vaccinated especially to be forced to become vaccinated?
Shouldn't we focus instead on providing vaccines across the world to vulnerable people, instead of requiring our non vulnerable people to get vaccinated?
Also, my understanding is that natural immunity lasts longer than the vaccines, its effectiveness diminishes over time, requiring endless booster shots and possibly leads to the mutations resulting in breakthrough cases.
$$$ money, money, more vaccine more money 💰🤑
@@lc9902The reason for spaces is YT wouldn't let me po st
Its about
Power
The crooked Governor in California needs to have someone like this guy on his team.
Beautiful. I really think the world would be much better if Sweden could be the leader
They’ve neutered him
What I was thinking also, someone's got to him about vaccines.
My personal Nobel Price goes to Anders Tegnell.
So why can Sweden not establish who got Covid and only vaccinate the people who did not get it (and then only if the people want it) and nobody under 25 years of age requires the vaccine unless they have comorbidities
Nobody in good health no matter what the age should be getting this Jab.
Sweden can not establish who got Covid because the unexpensive tests aren't sufficiently reliable (yet?).
It's much, much easier to recommend people to get vaccinated in any case, because for the individual there's virtually no disadvantage of vaccination after infection. The experience of the last nine months show that.
@@jmolofsson I live in South Africa - considering how incompetent and corrupt our government the ANC are - I honestly believe because of their total incompetence we are probably the one country closest to herd immunity in the world - this useless government have no idea how many of us have actually had Covid - believe me on this - and then there are people who could not afford the test - the only time our useless Pigs at the Trough government say anything to the international community is with their begging bowl held out in front of them - they have no shame - dont get embarrassed about begging and yet when they took over this country it was the Diamond in Africa now it is not even Coal, it has become very close to what would called "Just another Shithole country" - this country that paid ZAR0.75 for USD1.00, now pays ZAR15.00 per Dollar and we have illegals mining what is left if the gold underground. Which would be fine but you could have whole sections of towns in the areas where gold was mined collapse because their greed far outweighs their humanity and our useless government are complicit and are probably earning a fortune ftom the illegal mining - believe me Africa needs to get rid of corruption to really survive as a continent
@@jmolofsson The antibody test are very accurate, close to 100% in determent how have had covid, but alot lower (about 50%) how have not had it. That would lower the number of people that needed to be vaccinated with at least a million. That would had effect.
@@matsv201
Antibody tests are perfect for measuring antibodies, not for assessing other aspects of the immune response.
I would like to have known his view on COVID prevention and treatment measures other than vaccinations. There are countries like India with a relatively larger population that could not implement mandatory lockdowns yet were able to control the virus before the vaccines became available using antiviral kits. One important drug seems to have been ivermectin. It would be interesting to know whether western countries like Sweden could implement such a protocol in addition to vaccines to allow for early treatment of the virus before it takes hold in the lungs
Caption is misleading. He is way more modest and cautious in his statements than the interviewer, who seems to have an agenda.
I agree, after having watched the interview, I feel the title doesn't reflect what Tegnell actually said during the interview.
Glad you are one of the few who aren't duped. Sweden 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede
Freddie - wonderful summation at the end of this gentle, intelligent man. How Australia could have benefitted from even just a little bit of Swedish insight, diplomacy and compassion as we battled this pandemic. Half of Australia wants to move to Sweden. They have definitely become the lucky country in my eyes. Ummm..... I might get him tattooed on my arm as well. 🤔
The number of deaths pm do not support your view, which is clearly ideological.
@@totaramgandhi5117 Not sure how you have calculated just how many deaths have occurred because of lockdown but would be interested to know. Time will tell , but the analysis coming out of Europe so far is not pretty. Of course we could keep hiding in our houses forever, (Melbourne now the most locked down city in the world) but this definitely results in a multitude of very Un ideological societal problems - including deaths.
I don't think you understand the implications of what you are saying. Sweden has 19 times as many Covid deaths per million people as Australia has.
/Swede
I moved to Sweden just over two years ago from the UK.. what a breath of fresh air literally and in every other sense.. I can remember my daughters visiting during the first pandemic when there were no travel restrictions yet... they were shocked at how normal life was ...for two weeks covid was not shoved down them.
In Sweden it seems only Tegnell that gives updates on Covid-19...I don't believe I have seen the health minister giving updates on covid..I learnt in Swedish school that Swedish media must focus facts and sensenalising news/facts is very much frowned upon.. moderation is the Word or lagom in Swedish.. lagom/moderation in every walk like is always way up there here in Sweden.. loving my new adopted country.. Tagnell's humility and manor is not put on ..I would say thats typically Swedish...
In the UK it seems everyone is a covid expert from the deluded prime minister, health minister come ex Banker, other ministers, media and then every Tom, Dick and Harriet also believe they are experts in their own right..
Dr Tegnell is treading very very carefully & I can't blame him due to his apparently influential status. Sweden's initial approach to tackling cvd19 is still truly impressive to me & if Swedes voluntarily go the mass vaccination route then so be it. It would be interesting to see how that turns out.
Excellent! What a joy to listen to and SO different from the rest of the world. An honest, decent, caring scientist. Thank you Freddie!
Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders. I would have chosen competence over image.
/Swede
It's very frustrating to watch this video and realize that almost the entire world ignored the example of Sweden and indeed tried (as Freddie said at the beginning of the video) to undermine the Swedish approach and demonize it even though (as has been noted) Sweden was only doing what the WHO previously said to do during pandemics. Almost everyone else in the world ignored their country's constitution and caused much greater harm in their attempts to handle the epidemic compared to Sweden, and instead followed the example from China as praised by Bruce Aylward of the WHO. You might remember Aylward as the guy who was interviewed by a Taiwanese journalist about Taiwan's approach to COVID and initially ignored the question, then had an ostensible Zoom call disconnection, then claimed he didn't hear the question after reconnecting, then when told the journalist would repeat the question, said "No, let's move on to something else" (in case this is not clear, it's seems he was told by China to never acknowledge the existence of Taiwan and faithfully followed China's instructions). Maybe frustrating is too mild a way to put it.
Hold those that created and released the virus accountable. It seems the death penalty would be appropriate.
I think that there are no winners at all, we all lost something in these last 18 months, relatives, friends, jobs, liberty, ...
There are lots of winners here in UK …. follow the money … serious criminal theft of taxpayer money .
Nice to see sanity! Sweden has 3 to 7.5 times as many Covid deaths per million people as its Nordic neighbors. "Judge me in a year" is an obvious failure for Anders.
/Swede