He never had an original thought in his life. The show succeeded in spite of him, not because of him. That's why the Eddie Murphy era was bigger than the original cast's run.
I disagree about the portrayals. I was shocked at how close these actors portrayed Chase, Ackroyd, Belushi, Morris, Gilda, Jane, and Laraine. It was truly spot on.
I have a hypothesis about superhero movies: American Westerns were consistent moneymakers because they always called for heroes, in many different scenarios. Because of how many different studios, directors and writers and actors were involved in them, there could always be *something* unique about each one, so audiences didn't tire of them. At least, not as quickly as filmmakers tired of them. And it got worse once they, especially younger filmmakers, decided that Westerns represented for them certain American ideas that bored or disgusted them. When studio heads stepped down and execs figured out foreign money, that was the end of Westerns. But superheroes can embody much of what cowboys did for audiences. Goodness and integrity born from ideals, necessity, etc. Unfortunately, these movies are extremely expensive, only a few studios make them, and they're run by people who generally don't believe in the ideals portrayed. Did studios believe in cowboy ideals before? IDK but they were able to fake it if they didn't believe.
There is a channel called Saturday Night Network that has put together retrospectives on the first 13 seasons (so far). Also, interviews with obscure cast members. They have a lot of stuff about the fake newer seasons, but that's easy to ignore.
I watched it last night and it has a LOT of cringe and too on the nose moments. It's grating to be honest. And I started watching the show from night 1 when I was only 12 years old. It's amusing at times to be sure but not good enough for me to watch twice.
@@ShmuckOnWheels "On the nose cringe, grating at times, somewhat amusing but not worth a second watch..." Could you narrow it down so I can tell which Jason Reitman movie this was?
I grew up in the '70s and cassette taped the early shows. Even though there were great moments and talent later, my favorite SNL is the golden age of the first three seasons. For those who enjoy this behind-the-scenes view of it, I highly recommend Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Also a behind-the-scenes show about an SNL-type show on the West Coast, it had great writing and was very well cast. Definitely my favorite work by Matthew Perry, Amanda Peet, Steven Weber, Sarah Paulson and Bradley Whitford. Great dialogue and surprisingly well balanced in its viewpoints. Simon Helberg before BBT. Timothy Busfield, D.L. Hughley, John Goodman and many more contribute to this short-lived (22 eps) wonder. I think it's streaming on Apple TV, but I made a point to get the DVD set. Absolutely worthy of physical media collection.
Shoutout to Midnight's Edge, Chato and ScriptDoctor for that episode where they went into the weeds discussing SNL and its place in history for Comedy on TV and its ties to Second City and other similar productions.
Jr High through High School I stayed up for SNL. My friends and I talked about it all the time. Once In Living Color and the original John Stewart Show (way before Comedy Central) came out, it was a great time to be alive.
I saw it tonight - I had the opposite view of Alan. I thought the actors all captured who they were playing without resorting to caricature. Great movie, a real treat.
2016 was the death knell. Im so addicted that i still check in, but the actual show is the antithesis of its original mission statement. I almost don't care anymore
I've never seen actor portray a real-life comedian and come anywhere near capturing the comedian's sense of humor or charisma. I don't think it can be done.
Another movie that speaks to the comedy counter culture of that time is “A Futile and Stupid Gesture” tells the origin story of National Lampoon Magazine and its founders..highly recommend! One of my favorite comedies of the last decade! Curious if anyone at Film Threat has reviewed it?
Once SNL went woke I stopped watching it and I refuse to support it in any way. Grew up with the show as a kid. It gave me tons of laughs over the years. But now I can't trust them at all.
Same…subscribed to national lampoon and watched SNL in Canada from the first episode but once the show became part of the culture I stopped, it’s strange being a rebel now
Two of the most horrible woke offenses: -They had Hillary playing the piano and singing a mournful song when Trump won in 2016. -two female cast members singing with ALL SERIOUSNESS “To Sir With Love” about Barack Obama. Also circa 2016
The same. It was part of my childhood and teens but with their unfunny p.c. b.s. and seeing some of the creepy sketches, ie Tom Hanks and the pumpkin 'thing' ... not going back. SNL is suspect and there is probably more dark stuff going on there.
I have been an SNL fan since I was a kid in the eighties. Part of the fun of the show is that the bad episodes make the good ones even better. Last night was the fiftieth premiere and it did not have a single “laugh” in the whole show but I look forward to next week because it might be great. I think this looks pretty interesting and will watch on a pirate site at 2x speed like I do all movies now.
Belushi held out on signing the contract until the last minute, so he could get representation from Bernie Brillstein, who was also Lorne's manager. The construction worker bit wasn't in the first episode, it was later in the season when Lily Tomlin hosted. Milton Berle never visited the set, but hosted later on. The fake blood spurting was for a bit about Julia Child that also ran later on in the seasons. The very first episode barely featured the cast (which included veteran Broadway actor George Coe), and it included a film by Albert Brooks. The writers DID hate writing the Muppets bits.
I am an SNL fan, but the trailer didn't appeal to me at all. I'm closer to watching it after Gore's praise but it might be a "well, I've seen everything already, so I'll give this a shot" movie
Not being American, I have never had a real relationship to the show, and I never found the clips I saw funny. Even the early "genius" pre-SNL comedy shows of Chase and Belushi are pretty painful to me. Perhaps it's the American vs European thing? Anything new on there is not just counter culture unfunny now, but counter-counter culture anti-funny.
Early to mid 90s SNL was awesome. Mike Meyers, Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, Norm Macdonald, Dana Carvey, Phil Hartman etc..... I haven't watched an episode in over a decade because it's garbage now.
Have not seen anything but a few clips of this, but my understanding of SNL and The Muppets is that the cast and writers REALLY disliked them and Henson, to the point of refusing to write sketches for them. In its heyday, SNL was the coolest, hippest show in TV, and they just could not reconcile that with having puppets be part of the show.
Started watching this show from the first episode (I’m old). Used to be counter culture. Became mainstream culture a long time ago. It should have gone off the air when it still had the magic. Like so many innovative ideas in American media (looking at you Simpsons), it’s gone on far too long.
@@hallking7441 its always been pro establishment propaganda disguised as 'comedy' with the sole exception of Dennis Miller and Norm McDonald. Aside from those 2, name one time SNL ever showed any balls and went against the left.
Big surprise; a bunch of magas in the comments complaining about "woke". News flash...SNL was never meant for you. Going all the way back to the 70s conservatives have always hated it. The hard core one's anyway. I will agree it's not as funny as it used to be because it's not irreverent enough today. I'll watch this and hope it's at least as entertaining as A Futile and Stupid Gesture which was quite good.
Watched a few SNL when i was shown here, fairly boring. Some of the older stuff is decent. Having said that, the films based on SNL material are classics. Blues Brothers, Wayne's world etc.
SNL still misses, but sometimes it hits. Nate Bargatze's was great, the George Washington sketch, and almost anything with Ryan Gosling, specifically the Beavis and Butthead sketch were hilarious, the digital sketches by Do Not Destroy are also great.
I haven't watched SNL regularly since I became an adult and started to go out at night. People will complain its super bad now but I will still see clips on TH-cam and think. It's not that bad. They even make fun of woke stuff
SNL is now bereft of real creativity, it's just checkbox casting and too heavily leftist with certain African origin cast member(s) given overlong residency due to reasons...(Keenan) 😂😂
I love how this video is bringing out all the “SNL used to be cool but now it’s woke REEEEEEEEE!!!” people in the comment section, as if it’s relevant to the conversation. I agree with you all, I haven’t seen it since I don’t know when, but there’s lots of “old man yells at cloud” going on. 😅
AFTERLIFE sucked! How can someone who grew up on the original SNL and movies like ANIMAL HOUSE and STRIPES think that AFTERLIFE had the same irreverent tone of the original? It was a complete betrayal.
Respectfully partially disagree. It couldn't have had the same irreverent tone. Too much time passed in the story's history and real life which made that impossible. Even with its flaws it was clearly a labor of love by people who truly cared about the original. The real complete betrayal was GB 2016.
@@SamSchott1 It wasn't funny. It was sentimental. It could most definitely have had the same irreverent tone. Harold Ramis did movies that straddled the line between irreverence and emotional underpinnings---see Multiplicity and Groundhog Day. Egon acted like a deadbeat dad, Ray didn't believe him? Those are complete betrayals of the characters. It's not consistent with who they were. When did Egon meet, date, marry and have a child who would be in her 40's now? How is that possible? And the worst betrayal was punishing Venkman for the parody of the Milgram test in the original where Sigourney Weaver shocks him. 2016 at least knew it was supposed to be a comedy. Whether it was funny or not is another story. But it knew what it was, at its core. The geeks have ruined GHOSTBUSTERS, because they latch on to the supernatural elements and the gadgets--even the cartoon series. The movie was a slob comedy in the vein of ANIMAL HOUSE and CADDYSHACK. first and foremost. That's what distinguished it. That's what made it special.
I stopped watching it after theynever fired jimmy fallon I never found him funny I actually agree with that Family Guy skit, but I never continued watching it when they brought in Tina Faye and that whole cast besides MADtv was better
I just wanted to add to the stimulating conversation here in the comment’s section and also complain incessantly about woke things. I will now leave, feeling enormously satisfied.
You're subbed to Destiny. The fake intellectual debate bro who promotes and justifies American wars around the world. So it's cool to call out people who mock woke nonsense but you're a good hearted liberal who thinks it's morally righteous for America to sIaughłer innocent chiIdren for weapon manufacturing profits and mineral theft?
Now we have an 79-year-old Lorne Michaels still at the helm of this youth-oriented "counterculture" show
He never had an original thought in his life. The show succeeded in spite of him, not because of him. That's why the Eddie Murphy era was bigger than the original cast's run.
He's going to be 81 next month.
@CGMedia2023 Exactly, Lorne Michaels doesn’t know anything about comedy.
I disagree about the portrayals. I was shocked at how close these actors portrayed Chase, Ackroyd, Belushi, Morris, Gilda, Jane, and Laraine. It was truly spot on.
Norm McDonald was legend on SNL and Sprockets innit
I have a hypothesis about superhero movies:
American Westerns were consistent moneymakers because they always called for heroes, in many different scenarios. Because of how many different studios, directors and writers and actors were involved in them, there could always be *something* unique about each one, so audiences didn't tire of them. At least, not as quickly as filmmakers tired of them. And it got worse once they, especially younger filmmakers, decided that Westerns represented for them certain American ideas that bored or disgusted them.
When studio heads stepped down and execs figured out foreign money, that was the end of Westerns.
But superheroes can embody much of what cowboys did for audiences. Goodness and integrity born from ideals, necessity, etc.
Unfortunately, these movies are extremely expensive, only a few studios make them, and they're run by people who generally don't believe in the ideals portrayed. Did studios believe in cowboy ideals before? IDK but they were able to fake it if they didn't believe.
Watching this movie while thinking about how fucking terrible SNL is now would probably be a pretty depressing experience.
You said it. It's like a friend dying and then looking at old photos and reminiscing. It's sad what happened to SNL.
There is a channel called Saturday Night Network that has put together retrospectives on the first 13 seasons (so far). Also, interviews with obscure cast members.
They have a lot of stuff about the fake newer seasons, but that's easy to ignore.
I watched it last night and it has a LOT of cringe and too on the nose moments. It's grating to be honest. And I started watching the show from night 1 when I was only 12 years old. It's amusing at times to be sure but not good enough for me to watch twice.
@@ShmuckOnWheels "On the nose cringe, grating at times, somewhat amusing but not worth a second watch..."
Could you narrow it down so I can tell which Jason Reitman movie this was?
I was lucky enough to stay up Saturday nite to catch Eddie Murphy on SNL. I was around 11 or 12 years old.
There used to be an irreverence to SNL. Now it's just establishment propaganda with the occasional funny bit or joke.
It was ALWAYS pro establishment from day one. Every bit as left wing as Laugh In and the Smothers Brothers before them.
it was ALWAYS establishment propaganda, even during the original cast's run.
Um ok
I grew up in the '70s and cassette taped the early shows. Even though there were great moments and talent later, my favorite SNL is the golden age of the first three seasons. For those who enjoy this behind-the-scenes view of it, I highly recommend Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Also a behind-the-scenes show about an SNL-type show on the West Coast, it had great writing and was very well cast. Definitely my favorite work by Matthew Perry, Amanda Peet, Steven Weber, Sarah Paulson and Bradley Whitford. Great dialogue and surprisingly well balanced in its viewpoints. Simon Helberg before BBT. Timothy Busfield, D.L. Hughley, John Goodman and many more contribute to this short-lived (22 eps) wonder. I think it's streaming on Apple TV, but I made a point to get the DVD set. Absolutely worthy of physical media collection.
😂Shane Gillis getting fired for using a stupid accent during a podcast is hilarious. Counter culture! 😂
Shoutout to Midnight's Edge, Chato and ScriptDoctor for that episode where they went into the weeds discussing SNL and its place in history for Comedy on TV and its ties to Second City and other similar productions.
Jr High through High School I stayed up for SNL. My friends and I talked about it all the time. Once In Living Color and the original John Stewart Show (way before Comedy Central) came out, it was a great time to be alive.
I saw it tonight - I had the opposite view of Alan. I thought the actors all captured who they were playing without resorting to caricature. Great movie, a real treat.
2016 was the death knell. Im so addicted that i still check in, but the actual show is the antithesis of its original mission statement. I almost don't care anymore
I've never seen actor portray a real-life comedian and come anywhere near capturing the comedian's sense of humor or charisma. I don't think it can be done.
I would agree that the first half didn’t grab, but it got very good. I liked the movie a lot. Maybe the only new movie I’ve liked in a while, too.
R.I.P. Kristofferson and John Ashton. 😢
I was eighteen years old when SNL first came on. I remember that The Muppet's used to be on there. Dam I'm old I'll be 69 the day before the election.
Alan is Siskel, and Chris is Ebert.
Another movie that speaks to the comedy counter culture of that time is
“A Futile and Stupid Gesture” tells the origin story of National Lampoon Magazine and its founders..highly recommend! One of my favorite comedies of the last decade! Curious if anyone at Film Threat has reviewed it?
Once SNL went woke I stopped watching it and I refuse to support it in any way. Grew up with the show as a kid. It gave me tons of laughs over the years. But now I can't trust them at all.
Same…subscribed to national lampoon and watched SNL in Canada from the first episode but once the show became part of the culture I stopped, it’s strange being a rebel now
Two of the most horrible woke offenses:
-They had Hillary playing the piano and singing a mournful song when Trump won in 2016.
-two female cast members singing with ALL SERIOUSNESS “To Sir With Love” about Barack Obama. Also circa 2016
Same. They have also been uncomfortably un funny for at least a decade
The same. It was part of my childhood and teens but with their unfunny p.c. b.s. and seeing some of the creepy sketches, ie Tom Hanks and the pumpkin 'thing' ... not going back. SNL is suspect and there is probably more dark stuff going on there.
Whenever you people say "woke" Kamala gets another undecided voter.
I have been an SNL fan since I was a kid in the eighties. Part of the fun of the show is that the bad episodes make the good ones even better. Last night was the fiftieth premiere and it did not have a single “laugh” in the whole show but I look forward to next week because it might be great. I think this looks pretty interesting and will watch on a pirate site at 2x speed like I do all movies now.
NBC aired a documentary that's on DVD called SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE: THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
I quit about 2002 when it became not funny.
The only reason it exists now is it is prop.
A grand.
Ah.
That about when I gave up too. It had been on a downward spiral since the late 80s / early 90s cast left. (Sandler, Carvey, Meyers, Spade, Farley etc)
eh I'd say SNL ceased caring about irreverence and comedy when they fired Norm McDonald.
Only yesterday I watched the documentary about Chris Farley who was a SNL crew member in the early 90s that was a great time for SNL
Belushi held out on signing the contract until the last minute, so he could get representation from Bernie Brillstein, who was also Lorne's manager. The construction worker bit wasn't in the first episode, it was later in the season when Lily Tomlin hosted. Milton Berle never visited the set, but hosted later on. The fake blood spurting was for a bit about Julia Child that also ran later on in the seasons. The very first episode barely featured the cast (which included veteran Broadway actor George Coe), and it included a film by Albert Brooks. The writers DID hate writing the Muppets bits.
I am an SNL fan, but the trailer didn't appeal to me at all. I'm closer to watching it after Gore's praise but it might be a "well, I've seen everything already, so I'll give this a shot" movie
definitely spent a solid decade as a kid watching SNL, ~1985-~1995
late night TV used to be a thing.... TV used to be a thing :|
Not being American, I have never had a real relationship to the show, and I never found the clips I saw funny. Even the early "genius" pre-SNL comedy shows of Chase and Belushi are pretty painful to me. Perhaps it's the American vs European thing? Anything new on there is not just counter culture unfunny now, but counter-counter culture anti-funny.
Early to mid 90s SNL was awesome. Mike Meyers, Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, Norm Macdonald, Dana Carvey, Phil Hartman etc..... I haven't watched an episode in over a decade because it's garbage now.
That was the apex, when those guys left it’s got worse and worse every year.
I love that poster. It gives out a nice classic era Mad Magazine vibe to it.
I have the poster on my wall got it on Ebay.
fuuuuuuck SNL. I could give two shits about the origin of a propaganda pushing unfunny garbage fest😂
Fair enough. How it started is just an embarrassing reminder of what it became.
You probably like mad tv
Chris felt a tingle up his leg.
I didn't know Jim Henson was involved.
Everyone working on it said it was a horrible workplace.
I'm a rare fan of the films WIRED and GILDA RADNER : It's Always Something 👌 So I am down to see this one.
SNL should have called it a day after the 95/96 season.
I'm old like you I've watched it from its inception.
Movie needs more jelly donuts
So is it CGI? Actual footage? Come on guys. If not, who plays whom?
I'm perplexed.
You can't open film's imdb page or are you asking something else?
Have not seen anything but a few clips of this, but my understanding of SNL and The Muppets is that the cast and writers REALLY disliked them and Henson, to the point of refusing to write sketches for them. In its heyday, SNL was the coolest, hippest show in TV, and they just could not reconcile that with having puppets be part of the show.
yet Henson was more counterculture than even the original cast EVER were on their best day.
Alan’s always saying some dumb stuff like “yeah I recommend it but skip the first half.” That’s great advice for viewing a movie
Wait what? Did he see the same movie I did? Gilda was right there?
Started watching this show from the first episode (I’m old). Used to be counter culture. Became mainstream culture a long time ago. It should have gone off the air when it still had the magic. Like so many innovative ideas in American media (looking at you Simpsons), it’s gone on far too long.
I clapped because I know SNL.
Remember when SNL was actually FUNNY?
Neither do I.
It was very funny in the early 90s. Not so much nowadays.
The 80's and 90's were hilarious with the best musical groups. You must be a kid.
@@hallking7441 its always been pro establishment propaganda disguised as 'comedy' with the sole exception of Dennis Miller and Norm McDonald. Aside from those 2, name one time SNL ever showed any balls and went against the left.
How was Jim Henson involved in SNL?
look up 'Land of Gorch'
Big surprise; a bunch of magas in the comments complaining about "woke". News flash...SNL was never meant for you. Going all the way back to the 70s conservatives have always hated it. The hard core one's anyway. I will agree it's not as funny as it used to be because it's not irreverent enough today. I'll watch this and hope it's at least as entertaining as A Futile and Stupid Gesture which was quite good.
👍😁
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away they were poignant😅
Watched a few SNL when i was shown here, fairly boring. Some of the older stuff is decent.
Having said that, the films based on SNL material are classics. Blues Brothers, Wayne's world etc.
You guys have been saying "Get through to the second half" on a lot of movies. Lol
cause that happens to a lot of movies, lol.
But sticking the landing is important
I don't watch most of the show, but I always catch Weekend Update on TH-cam. It's some of the best stuff SNL has done in years.
I haven’t watched this review yet but I am willing to bet my life that Alan uses the word “woke” within the first 10 words he speaks.
good thing you didn't bet on this.
SNL still misses, but sometimes it hits. Nate Bargatze's was great, the George Washington sketch, and almost anything with Ryan Gosling, specifically the Beavis and Butthead sketch were hilarious, the digital sketches by Do Not Destroy are also great.
I haven't watched SNL regularly since I became an adult and started to go out at night. People will complain its super bad now but I will still see clips on TH-cam and think. It's not that bad. They even make fun of woke stuff
SNL is now bereft of real creativity, it's just checkbox casting and too heavily leftist with certain African origin cast member(s) given overlong residency due to reasons...(Keenan) 😂😂
I love how this video is bringing out all the “SNL used to be cool but now it’s woke REEEEEEEEE!!!” people in the comment section, as if it’s relevant to the conversation. I agree with you all, I haven’t seen it since I don’t know when, but there’s lots of “old man yells at cloud” going on. 😅
AFTERLIFE sucked! How can someone who grew up on the original SNL and movies like ANIMAL HOUSE and STRIPES think that AFTERLIFE had the same irreverent tone of the original? It was a complete betrayal.
Respectfully partially disagree. It couldn't have had the same irreverent tone. Too much time passed in the story's history and real life which made that impossible. Even with its flaws it was clearly a labor of love by people who truly cared about the original. The real complete betrayal was GB 2016.
@@SamSchott1 It wasn't funny. It was sentimental. It could most definitely have had the same irreverent tone. Harold Ramis did movies that straddled the line between irreverence and emotional underpinnings---see Multiplicity and Groundhog Day. Egon acted like a deadbeat dad, Ray didn't believe him? Those are complete betrayals of the characters. It's not consistent with who they were. When did Egon meet, date, marry and have a child who would be in her 40's now? How is that possible? And the worst betrayal was punishing Venkman for the parody of the Milgram test in the original where Sigourney Weaver shocks him. 2016 at least knew it was supposed to be a comedy. Whether it was funny or not is another story. But it knew what it was, at its core. The geeks have ruined GHOSTBUSTERS, because they latch on to the supernatural elements and the gadgets--even the cartoon series. The movie was a slob comedy in the vein of ANIMAL HOUSE and CADDYSHACK. first and foremost. That's what distinguished it. That's what made it special.
I stopped watching it after theynever fired jimmy fallon I never found him funny I actually agree with that Family Guy skit, but I never continued watching it when they brought in Tina Faye and that whole cast besides MADtv was better
SNL has always been 🗑️
Snl has been awful since the mid 90's
I stopped watching in 2018
SNL is still funny
I just wanted to add to the stimulating conversation here in the comment’s section and also complain incessantly about woke things.
I will now leave, feeling enormously satisfied.
You're subbed to Destiny. The fake intellectual debate bro who promotes and justifies American wars around the world. So it's cool to call out people who mock woke nonsense but you're a good hearted liberal who thinks it's morally righteous for America to sIaughłer innocent chiIdren for weapon manufacturing profits and mineral theft?