31:32 There is definitely a reason for the shout "The Turks are coming". It's a historic phase and an Italian Expression - 'Mamma li Turchi! ', or 'Mamma the Turks are coming', it's to suggest imminent danger. The phrases reflect the historical conflict between Italy, and Western Christendom, with the Ottoman empire in the Mediterranean. Shouting it in a church suggest another layer you miss. (You did quite a remarkable analyse overall.) It's a layer about unwanted emigration from the Mid East, about the war between different religions, about fear of the unknown and different people - all this in abandoned church an in a desolated land, shouted by either a prophet or a wacko, but most likely both. Is the fear reasonable or he mock the reality of how people think towards each other with this mad gesture ? Perhaps both. Just like most biblical events happens in deserts, all of those people here have this strange potential of becoming biblical characters. This movie can be unpacked by 100 different ways and always something will be left unspoken.
"The Turks are coming" scene is also there because Hungary was invaded by the Ottoman Empire for 150 years basically destroying the independence of the country for centuries. I thought that the man shouting was a ghost from the past that only the doctor could see and hear (Futaki also heard it at beginning of the film).
@@koskazoli2841 Definitely. Still, Hungary was in the outskirts. Bulgarian here. The Ottoman yoke lasted for 500 years in Bulgaria. We don't have this specific expression, maybe because they were not coming, they simply stayed. We have quite tragic collective memory from that time, a lot of killings and oppression.
I interpreted it as a version of Neitzsche's madman, signalling the loss of morality and meaning, while also being paranoid/xenophobic ("the Turks are coming"). Back at his house, the doctor said something like "I must be going mad. I have confused the sounds of heaven with the bells of death." Then he boarded up his windows, sat down in darkness and wrote the opening lines to Sátántángo like a good nihilist.
@ximono My country was under Ottoman rule and slavery and practically disappeared on the map for 500 years. My ancestors have been slaughtered all those 5 centuries for holding Christian beliefs and for holding our culture. This is not xenophobia or paranoid. It's knowing our history in order to not repeat it. It left a scar that we are proud of because with the help of God and remembrance of our history, we somehow revive our country after 500 years.
A cute little film about a group of happy-go-lucky Hungarian villagers having a fun time with their cat. Their carefree attitudes, a soundtrack that will make you jump up and dance and the gorgeous and colourful landscape photography just shout Joie de vivre. To summarise this film in one word: YOLO.
Although I don't agree with your (over?)analysis at times, it was a brave attempt at dissecting Sátántángo. When asked what the rain symbolises, Tarr would shrug and say "it's just rain". I like that answer. That said, your analysis was also brilliant at times.
To me, seeing a real cat be put under such distress against its will makes the entire film irredeemable. Does no one else agree? I saw the whole film in the cinema but nearly stormed out during that scene. Why do we promote, study, and celebrate a film whose director considers himself so important that he can torment and psysically restrain an animal?
This is definitely worth taking into account. We were watching an extended scene of a child actually *in reality* abusing an animal. That said, there are other examples of this eg Apocalypse Now - the slaughter of the ox, and more recently Ama Gloria features a young child (3 or 4 years old) in genuine distress, and I've not seen that mentioned once anywhere. I'm really glad I saw Satantango, but the scene with the cat is a turd in the swimming pool.
31:32 There is definitely a reason for the shout "The Turks are coming".
It's a historic phase and an Italian Expression - 'Mamma li Turchi! ', or 'Mamma the Turks are coming', it's to suggest imminent danger. The phrases reflect the historical conflict between Italy, and Western Christendom, with the Ottoman empire in the Mediterranean. Shouting it in a church suggest another layer you miss. (You did quite a remarkable analyse overall.)
It's a layer about unwanted emigration from the Mid East, about the war between different religions, about fear of the unknown and different people - all this in abandoned church an in a desolated land, shouted by either a prophet or a wacko, but most likely both. Is the fear reasonable or he mock the reality of how people think towards each other with this mad gesture ? Perhaps both.
Just like most biblical events happens in deserts, all of those people here have this strange potential of becoming biblical characters.
This movie can be unpacked by 100 different ways and always something will be left unspoken.
"The Turks are coming" scene is also there because Hungary was invaded by the Ottoman Empire for 150 years basically destroying the independence of the country for centuries. I thought that the man shouting was a ghost from the past that only the doctor could see and hear (Futaki also heard it at beginning of the film).
@@koskazoli2841 Definitely. Still, Hungary was in the outskirts. Bulgarian here. The Ottoman yoke lasted for 500 years in Bulgaria. We don't have this specific expression, maybe because they were not coming, they simply stayed. We have quite tragic collective memory from that time, a lot of killings and oppression.
@@LyubomirIko Yeah I know, that must have been worse.
I interpreted it as a version of Neitzsche's madman, signalling the loss of morality and meaning, while also being paranoid/xenophobic ("the Turks are coming"). Back at his house, the doctor said something like "I must be going mad. I have confused the sounds of heaven with the bells of death." Then he boarded up his windows, sat down in darkness and wrote the opening lines to Sátántángo like a good nihilist.
@ximono My country was under Ottoman rule and slavery and practically disappeared on the map for 500 years. My ancestors have been slaughtered all those 5 centuries for holding Christian beliefs and for holding our culture. This is not xenophobia or paranoid. It's knowing our history in order to not repeat it. It left a scar that we are proud of because with the help of God and remembrance of our history, we somehow revive our country after 500 years.
A cute little film about a group of happy-go-lucky Hungarian villagers having a fun time with their cat. Their carefree attitudes, a soundtrack that will make you jump up and dance and the gorgeous and colourful landscape photography just shout Joie de vivre. To summarise this film in one word: YOLO.
outstanding and lucid. thank you . this should be a leading resource in discussion of satantango
Although I don't agree with your (over?)analysis at times, it was a brave attempt at dissecting Sátántángo. When asked what the rain symbolises, Tarr would shrug and say "it's just rain". I like that answer. That said, your analysis was also brilliant at times.
Great work!
it wasn't 4 people, you forgot Gábor Medvigy who was pretty much as involved as Tarr himself
His contribution to Sátántángo is criminally forgotten.
To me, seeing a real cat be put under such distress against its will makes the entire film irredeemable. Does no one else agree? I saw the whole film in the cinema but nearly stormed out during that scene. Why do we promote, study, and celebrate a film whose director considers himself so important that he can torment and psysically restrain an animal?
This is definitely worth taking into account. We were watching an extended scene of a child actually *in reality* abusing an animal. That said, there are other examples of this eg
Apocalypse Now - the slaughter of the ox, and more recently Ama Gloria features a young child (3 or 4 years old) in genuine distress, and I've not seen that mentioned once anywhere. I'm really glad I saw Satantango, but the scene with the cat is a turd in the swimming pool.
Great, great video!
note to self: 30:35
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