I main lock for years but when i decided to lvl a palli on era i watched your vods , your actually the reason i kept fiery on my dark edge. Glad to see your still dropping palli content but i think you tried to gank my lock in Bsteppes the other day lol i was like wait i know that name from somewhere and then it clicked.
@@9618Mike yea paladin is a fun class in vanilla cause there’s honestly so many ways to play it, all the hybrids have a lot of weird interesting play styles that work in pvp
@@FuzzyClunge I’m not sure what’s going on with the weak aura other people have been having issues also, mines been working fine I’m not sure what’s causing it to mess up for some people
@@FuzzyClunge there’s other versions of that tracker on weak aura you might have to try a different one, pretty sure the one I linked is the one I’m using in the video though
Love your videos! Quick question what’s the thought process of putting two points into vindication? I understand 1 for the debuff for protection against dispels but not sure why we would need two.
@@proshotb9409 it goes from 5% to 10% debuff, it’s kinda nice to have, there’s not really anywhere else to put that one point unless you want to go 5 in deflection
Thanks for the video! I literally wanted to check on a 2025 ret-reck video and your video popped up as soon as I opened youtube lol. Is it worth it to try and get hand of justice for this build? Thank you!
@@heylegd7098 you can but on reckoning it’s not as big of a trinket, it’s still nice to have and switch into here and there but blackhands breadth is probably the most important trinket, mark of the chosen is really nice in the early game and when you get pvp trinket you will use that till it’s on cooldown then switch into other trinkets I like blackhands breadth and mark of the chosen the most
Nice guide! im a little bit surprised about the BIS P2 to be honest. How come we want to stuck that much mana instead of exchanging with some warrior offset pieces if we can
@@Alumeni you could do that, it is nice to have the extra mana to be able to heal yourself more or to throw some off heals here and there, I’ve been digging the max stat build a lot
Super helpful video, excactly what I need. Much appriciated. Is repentence not better because it just has better utility. Reck has burst but its so heavily telegraphed most can avoid or mitigate it, right?
Hey, love the video! I want to try PVP pally on fresh servers. But why the 1 point into Redoupt and 2 into concentration aura? Are you switching to shield mid combat? And do you keep Seal of command or do seal twisting?
Redoubt is mostly for the audio queue of when you get crit, you seal twist when you reck bomb for the most part that’s about it, concentration aura is mostly for when you’re trying to heal yourself you can throw it on but there’s not a lot of other places to put those points anyways so it’s what I like
Hey Steven thanks for this guide!! how would you recommend leveling a brand new paladin if I intend on doing a mix of questing and dg's? Im thinking going consacration first and then going ret. If you could write me a quick talent order to follow I would be pleased.
@@kanjo167 you could go for consecration first then get command, you typically want to level as deep ret, you can put some points into holy to help if you’re healing dungeons, you can put a holy and a ret set together and you’ll be fine healing dungeons
@@tape_saturation some of my sod shorts are holy reck but it’s sod, I haven’t really played it in vanilla much, I usually just stick to ret/reck in vanilla
I'm still at a lower level (41) because I'm trying to level my pally with my wife, but i've been doing AH's in the meantime and I just bought us both Kang the Decapitators for when we hit level 44 because we like PVP. I was wondering how I could do ret PVP in the 40s bracket because clearly I can't get vengeance and reckoning yet. I'd love to be able to start applying this because we encounter horde pretty much every day that kill us and i'm a healer so i'd like to use my dual spec for PVP for when we're in the open world. Any tips on what I could do or which tree I should start in?
@@Jacknorrington deep ret is probably best in the 40s bracket get command, 5 conviction, 3 deflection, 2 improved judgment, 2 eye for an eye if you can, two handed spec if you can
@@StevenBonez okay cool, i'll have to go look at that. I was checking our your other vids because i've never played ret (only been a healer on my pally for all three versions of vanilla) but i'm checking out seal twisting now. TY for your info!
@@Mastaofpain17 are you talking about the demonshear proc? Command and any auto swing should be able to proc it, cause it can proc off judgement as well
@@BigChopwowTV early game for sure, the crit is too nice, late game when you have more damage I think it’s a good choice to use maybe blackhands with hand of justice
@@StevenBonez yeah not sure what's going on, pounded in the string and unclicked the alphas no luck, it says on that page there was an update to weakaura on jan 23 that might effect its function idk tho
@@chrisad3r959 I’ll see if I can put something together, I haven’t done full on montages in a while usually if I get pvp clips I post them to shorts now
For reckoning I think it is mainly cause the speed, BRE also only effects paladins white hits it doesn’t effect holy damage at all, it may effect command but idk I’ve never had a bre before
The only thing not mentioned in this guide is that you will never get that gear if you don't heal. No one wants a ret in their raid, it's a meme spec, which is the unfortunate truth. You kinda need the time to make your own groups, otherwise you are toast. Reck bomb is mostly effective against rogues/warrs. Mages, Hunters, Priests and Locks will ruin your day.
@@deusvult333 it’s hard but I do know some people that are raiding as ret currently, and casters/range are hard in general, you can still kill them though
Lmao watching this guy smirk every time he pops it just makes me smile
fact that ur dwarf makes this a lot more valid of a guide
@@9ntice dwarf is pvp bis in vanilla for sure
@@9ntice human perception is nice but stoneform is so good too good to pass up
@@StevenBonezmost important racial skill Stoneform works like second pvp trinket vs rogue Blind (poison effect)
Nice choice on the Female Dwarf 👍
They have the best 2 handed melee animation for Alliance imo.
It mirrors the Male Orc.
I main lock for years but when i decided to lvl a palli on era i watched your vods , your actually the reason i kept fiery on my dark edge. Glad to see your still dropping palli content but i think you tried to gank my lock in Bsteppes the other day lol i was like wait i know that name from somewhere and then it clicked.
@@slumz8407 lol I think I remember that, locks are kinda hard to beat haha
Keep up the good work man! Thanks for the video :D
Great content like always, short and to the point
Love the video man! Keep at it! I'm loving this more niche style of PvP play. Keeps the game....fresh.
@@9618Mike yea paladin is a fun class in vanilla cause there’s honestly so many ways to play it, all the hybrids have a lot of weird interesting play styles that work in pvp
enjoyed the video, keep up the good work :)
The GOAT Steve always knows the way.
Awesome, thanks!
thanks for the video man, great to see updated pala content. Although the weak aura still isnt working for me am i missing something?
@@FuzzyClunge I’m not sure what’s going on with the weak aura other people have been having issues also, mines been working fine I’m not sure what’s causing it to mess up for some people
@@StevenBonez thanks for the quick reply
@@FuzzyClunge there’s other versions of that tracker on weak aura you might have to try a different one, pretty sure the one I linked is the one I’m using in the video though
@@StevenBonez yeah i've tried a few now with no luck
Update - it now works I also have no idea why 😂
Love your videos! Quick question what’s the thought process of putting two points into vindication? I understand 1 for the debuff for protection against dispels but not sure why we would need two.
@@proshotb9409 it goes from 5% to 10% debuff, it’s kinda nice to have, there’s not really anywhere else to put that one point unless you want to go 5 in deflection
Thanks for the video! I literally wanted to check on a 2025 ret-reck video and your video popped up as soon as I opened youtube lol. Is it worth it to try and get hand of justice for this build?
Thank you!
@@heylegd7098 you can but on reckoning it’s not as big of a trinket, it’s still nice to have and switch into here and there but blackhands breadth is probably the most important trinket, mark of the chosen is really nice in the early game and when you get pvp trinket you will use that till it’s on cooldown then switch into other trinkets I like blackhands breadth and mark of the chosen the most
Nice bro on knowing about that auto attack skill is gonna help me bug time appreciate that.
Should I build as a reck / ret paladin while leveling?
I am currently level 40.
What talents should I be building as I level?
If you want to pvp while leveling you can do ret/reck, normally just do deep ret for leveling though
Nice guide! im a little bit surprised about the BIS P2 to be honest. How come we want to stuck that much mana instead of exchanging with some warrior offset pieces if we can
@@Alumeni you could do that, it is nice to have the extra mana to be able to heal yourself more or to throw some off heals here and there, I’ve been digging the max stat build a lot
Light be with you, hero of the Alliance 💙 🦁 💙
Thanks for your time!
@@sigmametroid2630 hell yea, Light be with you brother
Thanks for the video! I saw you in Ony a month or so ago! May the Light guide you! Id like to try and find something to do besides Holy Pally :P
@@marcusfarmer4745 reckoning in pvp is always fun
Super helpful video, excactly what I need. Much appriciated.
Is repentence not better because it just has better utility. Reck has burst but its so heavily telegraphed most can avoid or mitigate it, right?
Deep ret is decent 1v1 but reckoning is probably overall the most offfensive open world/bg spec
Hey, love the video! I want to try PVP pally on fresh servers. But why the 1 point into Redoupt and 2 into concentration aura? Are you switching to shield mid combat? And do you keep Seal of command or do seal twisting?
Redoubt is mostly for the audio queue of when you get crit, you seal twist when you reck bomb for the most part that’s about it, concentration aura is mostly for when you’re trying to heal yourself you can throw it on but there’s not a lot of other places to put those points anyways so it’s what I like
Hey Steven thanks for this guide!! how would you recommend leveling a brand new paladin if I intend on doing a mix of questing and dg's? Im thinking going consacration first and then going ret. If you could write me a quick talent order to follow I would be pleased.
@@kanjo167 you could go for consecration first then get command, you typically want to level as deep ret, you can put some points into holy to help if you’re healing dungeons, you can put a holy and a ret set together and you’ll be fine healing dungeons
Is reckoning WA working? Icon doesn't show to me
Yes it works
do you have recordings of you playing with the holy reck spec?
@@tape_saturation some of my sod shorts are holy reck but it’s sod, I haven’t really played it in vanilla much, I usually just stick to ret/reck in vanilla
Hi! new paladin here, what's the best bg to spam into exalted first? (ret-reck paladin)
@@lureggx AV cause that’s where you get unstoppable force and don julios band
Whats the swing timer addon/ setup
@@jeppe9308 it’s a weak aura with seal twisting, I’ll drop the link for it when I get home
Can you link this gear ?
I'm still at a lower level (41) because I'm trying to level my pally with my wife, but i've been doing AH's in the meantime and I just bought us both Kang the Decapitators for when we hit level 44 because we like PVP. I was wondering how I could do ret PVP in the 40s bracket because clearly I can't get vengeance and reckoning yet. I'd love to be able to start applying this because we encounter horde pretty much every day that kill us and i'm a healer so i'd like to use my dual spec for PVP for when we're in the open world. Any tips on what I could do or which tree I should start in?
@@Jacknorrington deep ret is probably best in the 40s bracket get command, 5 conviction, 3 deflection, 2 improved judgment, 2 eye for an eye if you can, two handed spec if you can
@@StevenBonez okay cool, i'll have to go look at that. I was checking our your other vids because i've never played ret (only been a healer on my pally for all three versions of vanilla) but i'm checking out seal twisting now. TY for your info!
does the weapon proc, proc from other wep swings in reckoning? i forgot
@@Mastaofpain17 are you talking about the demonshear proc? Command and any auto swing should be able to proc it, cause it can proc off judgement as well
@ liiiit
Would you use Blackhands over Hand of justice?
@@BigChopwowTV early game for sure, the crit is too nice, late game when you have more damage I think it’s a good choice to use maybe blackhands with hand of justice
HoJ is objectively better
Use both while your pvp trinket on cooldown,at least in battlegrounds if you just want to bomb for max damage
@ Cool ya ive been rotating when pvp trinket is on cd !!
@@BigChopwowTV yea that’s the way to do it
how do get to show how many stack 1 to 4 and glow?
yea i just tried getting weak auras for first time and followed the instructions but i don't see any number of stacks show up just the icon
@@earthrocker8955 that’s weird, I’m not sure what’s causing that honestly cause I’m using that same weak aura
@@StevenBonez yeah not sure what's going on, pounded in the string and unclicked the alphas no luck, it says on that page there was an update to weakaura on jan 23 that might effect its function idk tho
@ maybe updating weakaura could help
hey man can we get a ph2 bg montage?
@@chrisad3r959 I’ll see if I can put something together, I haven’t done full on montages in a while usually if I get pvp clips I post them to shorts now
Can you not use is in pve?
And can you make a macro guide
Weakaura not working anymore?
@@tom-magnenordli9130 it’s working for me, some other people were having trouble with the weak aura too it seems
Hey the nitro weak aura seems to be busted now
@@GarrettLang-y6j hmm I think that’s the one I’m still using I’ll have to see whatsup
@@StevenBonez yeah, I cant tell how many reck stacks i have now. so odd
@@GarrettLang-y6j same problem i'm having
How to play reckoning: Get hit, then press auto attack haha ❤
Bis classic spec
I thought sword and axe specialization was super important, and that’s why people buy edgemasters gloves?
@@vinconssier4224 it is in pve but not as big in pvp
@ ohh I see, okay thanks man
Don't agree with Unstoppable force being better than BRE....
For reckoning I think it is mainly cause the speed, BRE also only effects paladins white hits it doesn’t effect holy damage at all, it may effect command but idk I’ve never had a bre before
The only thing not mentioned in this guide is that you will never get that gear if you don't heal. No one wants a ret in their raid, it's a meme spec, which is the unfortunate truth.
You kinda need the time to make your own groups, otherwise you are toast.
Reck bomb is mostly effective against rogues/warrs. Mages, Hunters, Priests and Locks will ruin your day.
@@deusvult333 it’s hard but I do know some people that are raiding as ret currently, and casters/range are hard in general, you can still kill them though