Yes thank you for this. A lot of the other creators put the topic in a clickbait title but then don't get to that topic until 15mins in the video. This got right to it.
We have this line by Khadgar in Legion : "I was going through some ancient cosmology tomes when I stumbled upon a passage indicating that the prime naaru may have been created by Elune during the great ordering of Light and Shadow" The fact he used the word ordering makes me feel like it's going to be relevant to the current Titan implications.
There is a theory going around that the division of light and shadow is what created the power of time, AKA Aman'thul's powers. Think this was a Pyromancer theory.
I think it has been hinted at for a while that Turalyon will turn against Anduin and vice versa. Will Anduin maybe abandon the light? Or will we see two different groups who both interpret the light differently fight eachother? Anduin seems to interpret "the light" as a vessel of goodness and hope. Turalyon seems to view it more like a literal god/religion.
Sadly, the Hawkish Turalyon and Greymane plotlines seems largely abandoned now. That was supposed to tie in with the Scarlets and the retaking of Lordaeron due to their claim that they had the true heir. We played that out in the undead heritage quest, and the Gilneas retaking quest with the Scarlets attacking.. Genn acted like a dove and gave his daughter the keys to the kingdom, and Turalyon couldn't even be bothered to show up.
@@DarkScreamGames that could have turned the Scarlet Crusade into something more than the usual targeting dummy. Btw - lore wise - as a human main, I'd love to work together with Scaet crusade to retake Lordaeron. Retaking Gilneas was really poorly delivered.
i think the one who said that naaru were rarely turned to the void but almost always was by mortals interfering; was Aleria's master and teacher which gives the quote more weight since he has more experience with the void than any mortal.
5:18 I'm actually impressed at the skills. So many who use paint try and "write" the names using the pencil. Congratulations on using the Text function!
Erm... It wasnt Alleria who said, she only saw a few times Naaru entering their void state - It was Lotus Walker. I only know that, cause I recently entered The Seat of the Triumphirat and HE spoke that line, big Bro Accibro
as a Xelotath enjoyer Accolonn, have you seen the old gamecube game 'Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem'? (there is a few no commentary let's play's around here in youtube if you want to see it.) it just makes me grin, tho i have to admit...she looks better in purple than in green
Accolonn, think on this connection in our lives. When we humans go outside and spend time say, at the beach, or in the mountains and prefer being barefoot? It's because we are literally bound or grounded to our existence on our earth-Azeroth so to speak. That's why we feel so good afterwards. Imagine if we have some "force" trying to change all that? How would we react?
Midnight definitely seems like the time for it. Especially when you remember that the Sunwell is in Quel'Thalas. The same Sunwell that was "purified" with a dying naaru's heart and is now the largest known font of holy energy. ****
And Ion has said they are redoing the whole open world in that area, So you can just fly into Quel'Thalas, No instance portal. This means the plaguelands are being updated (since they have the invisible walls) - So Stratholme, Light's Hope, Tyr's Hand, Uther's Tomb etc all have the potential of being involved too.
Every time I hear "The last titan" i wonder why nodoby has said that this could be a Sargeras redemption arc, that could be crazy, after all, he actually "is" the last titan, he is not dead, that will give us a new illidan for the finale
@@clogs4956the other ones are not dead, thought they lost their bodies. I mean, if it wasn't for them Azeroth would have been destroyed by old Sargy. And yes, I don't trust the speculations about that was an attempt to free her.
@@francescoporcari8597 Norgannon 'saved the Pantheons' essences'... That still intrigues me. Technically, though, they are dead but maybe not as we know it, like demons. Hm.
We shouldn’t trust the Naaru…The Prophet Valen warned us in the recording we were directed to after his death on Draenor; if he had reservations, despite his sacrifice, something is not quite right. Then, there’s X’era - the Prime Naaru - and how it tried to control Illidan. The Naaru/Light was also doing something to Turalyon’s mind, as we see in that same cinematic. NB: note how many characters have the title Prime. Could be a convention, I suppose, but then the Primus turns up. I do wonder.
Soo what the pantheons actually did was like when you find a very interesting machine and you change some if its parts in order for it to work they way you want
Titans are arcane constructs one step above void. I don't think they can influence anything above them on that side of the cosmology map. That said can they control void? I wouldn't think so but arent there runes in a naaru?
the crystal theory sounds alot like 2001 a space odyssey when the monolith instructs the apes to grab a bone of a dead creature and start hitting other apes with it
Dude that is what exactly I told you last month. Old gods are children of azeroth and the gift of flesh is the blessing of azeroth to give mortals their free will back in order to help her break her titan made prison.
I think the mortal leader will be Yrel though... maybe it would have been Turalyon if he was still under control of the light but its sort of a thing that maybe most miss.... his eyes were glowing yellow and then when Illidan destroys Xe're his eyes go back to brown. Maybe he gets "corrupted" by the light again but I believe Yrel being a zealot is the bigger threat. I see her building up her forces and finding a way to open the portal from alternate draenor to our world and comes through with her lightforged draenor army with giant crystal structures that we know can alter the stuff around them as well... I also think its going to be the first expansion after the World Soul Saga. We come back from Northrend to see a Azeroth with giant crystal shards growing out of the earth and flying fortresses patrolling the sky. That'll be the revamp to the rest of the lower eastern kingdom and Durotar.
I wonder if the Naaru are void creatures that were forced into serving the light and The Prime Naaru X'era was supposedly created by Elune.Then is Elune the one that forced them to serve?
With Anduin already questioning his ability to call the light and I think it was in Shadows Rising that we found he already had a touch of void, I think the boy king whisper will have to do with that. Will he lie somehow to infiltrate the light on behalf of the void? Not sure how the lies will play out or who Anduin would lie to.
The best swerve would be all the Titans except Sargeras are killed in Midnight and the title “Last Titan” is referring to Sargeras who is free and helping us to stop both the Void and the Light from subjugating Azeroth. 👀
How could you pile up such an amount of nonsense? Sargeras is a destructive fel infused corrupted creature (as much content in and out of game explicitly establish), not some kind of anti-hero. You are all buying Pyromancer's bs recently.
What I'd like speculatoon on is the nature of the First Ones, and the Eternal Ones. Considering Yog calling himself the God of Death, the connection between him, the void, necromantic power, and the nature of Maldraxxus. But then also, the robotic truth of the Eternal Ones, which could imply that the Curse of Flesh was applied to them for them to reach their final forms. So how was it all supposed ti be connected? I'd wager that whoever or whatever the First Ones really were, had the origin of the knowledge and power of both Order AND the Curse of Flesh. Maldraxxus is clearly a landscape of flesh, the Eternal Ones are clearly Flesh transmuted from automatons, Yogg obviously called himself the God of Death and very well could have been siphoning necromantic power from Maldraxxus, Galakrond was clearly a force of the voids unending hunger, but was also clearly displaying necromantic power and resembled mutations similar to the horrors seen in Maldraxxus. Now Gala's essence is extraordinarily valuable, and contained in the dark heart, which is very likely linked to our new bonus "Old God" prison at the bottom of Aberrus, and whatever might have broken free from there, which Blizzard themselves have vaguely differentiated as a new, higher tier of cosmic void energy. There should be some sort of connection between all of this
Everyone brushed the Aberrus prison under the rug way too quickly. The implications of that prison, how it was shattered, it's architecture differentiating from titan prisons, its secrecy and proximity to Neltharion, Nelths decent to madness in this new scope of things, his rivalry with Iridikron, and the name of the force that the trinket channels, all seem extremely important to me moving forward.
Curse of Flesh potentially originated with the First Ones, was utilized to achieve the perfection of the Eternal Ones and potentially other pantheons, then primarily used by Maldraxxus after the origination and ordering of the Shadowlands, and then stolen by Yogg for his own use? Now the titans crusade against it, seemingly ignorant to the fact that they themselves are automatons made into flesh, because theyve only encountered the Curse of Flesh from the perspective of it coming from Yogg, and know little of the Firtst Ones themselves anymore. But the truth may be that the First Ones intended flesh and robotics to turn hand-in-hand?
You are still assuming that storytelling is really being practised here. If you look at Dragonflight, phew... just bad. But is it a miracle? It's often been like this with Blizzard. Big announcements, little content. The patches contain events and storylines that are worse than mediocre. A lot of it isn't even a storyline. It's just a video or a 5 minute liberation of Gilenas, something players have been waiting years for. Everything is designed for a 5 minute game. Everything. It will take more than Metzen to generate a storyline where you log out and say. Man what a story and I was there. I have little hope.
Wouldn't it be intriguing if Blizzard rewrote the Scarlet Crusade, so it just so happens that the Nathrezim aren't the only party involved but the Light too?
Hey accolon. Taht waht you say wiht the best woht make Sens. In cata wie kill lycantos and he was Shadow and darknes, and wenn weh kill him,he turn to Goldrinn
The Army of the Light with the Arathi's and I'm sure the Scarlets will have np joining this crusade. Do you suppose however many soldiers that are loyal to Turalyon in SW will also join this cause. I dont see why not, so its stands to reason that as soon as this invasion begins, SW will be under siege. Lothraxion will be laughing his ass off cause he already knows whats coming.
Well, the Void being among many things isn't the only threat to the whole of existence. With there Access to the timelines, they have seen there Enemy's plans as well, not limited to the Titans. As the Light as well is a More sneaky of Enemy's. And the Void did warn everyone. With The Crown of Light Brings only Darkness. The Light will make a move. Turalyon with open arms will welcome the Army of the Light from Alternative Draenor to Azeroth.
Helya use some kinda of magic that had been used to lock the Elemental Plane to seal Odyn and his Valarjar army inside the Halls of Valor, and then decided to take vrykul souls in her new realm Helheim. Helya would be replaced by Eyir as the leader of the Val'kyr, and Loken would go on to steal Odyn's title of Prime Designate.[8] now that helya is gone odyn is free to return to azaroth from Elemental Plane and odyn has his eye back so would odyn be returning with the light ? What if odyn is a bad guy and Jailer shows helya how to lock odyn in Elemental Plane, and that is what Jailer did to get locked up because he created something that shouldn't been he made deal with helya get Vengeance on oydn jailer give me the eye of oyden and he would be lock away in Elemental Plane. Helya turns to loa of death to trick oyden to give up his eye . Idk I might be overthinking it. I don't know my lore
16:13 “whenever they come into contact with mortals” is incorrect. Every Naru that comes into contact with mortals (whenever they come into contact with mortals) does not go void. Every naru that goes void came into contact with mortals. They are not the same. It’s like all clouds are water not all water is clouds
I think it's quite clear from the context that is not what I was saying. I never claimed that when they come in contact with mortals, they turn void as I was stating in the video, its when one turns to void, a mortal always appears to be involved and thus could it be the chaos within mortals that affect them so.
@@TheAccolonnit was a literal quote. So the context only adds context to the quote, however I understood what you were trying to say. Sometimes though, the details can make a or break a theory. I know you’re a fan of “but I like the theory” or “rule of cool” style theory crafting vs does it make the most sense but if the justification for the Naru going void is mortal contact, why doesn’t all mortal contact cause void naru. It must be something else if the experiment isn’t bringing the same outcome in the situation (mortal presence = void naru) it must be something else specific to those instances, not just the presence of mortals.
@@NickYoung22 if that is the question you're asking you Clearly didn't understand what I was saying. It also seems you've ignored what I said a second time. Not all Naaru who come into contact with mortals turn void but all Naaru who turned to void had mortal interference, in other words, as my theory suggests, somrghing within mortals must be the cause, something we do, or something in some of us, or in all of us but only under certain circumstances. Take your pick.
@@TheAccolonn well, I don’t know exactly what I’ve ignored. I was just quoting then clarifying your point since what you said was so specific it was incorrect. Using context as a means for saying it is correct is incorrect. I was just trying to refine the point so as to bring it into focus. It seems to me the main cause for naru turning dark is having their light drained. I wouldn’t say it’s “chaos” within us. Muru for example was drained, willingly, to fuel the paladins. Is that chaos? Also please don’t read this as argument as much as discussion. Also, to help push you even further into frustration with me (joking but probably still true lol) I am confident anduin is arthas’ son.
@@TheAccolonn to give a finer point to it. It’s not the presence of mortals specifically that causes a darkened naru. It’s something more specific. To give a comparative example. Every time a raid boss dies, players are the cause. However, there being players fighting the raid boss does not mean the boss will die. It’s something more specific (the proper execution of the fight) so my interest is in what that specific is. They call Murus void form “entropy” or decay of energy into chaos. This entropy happens naturally in nature, so perhaps there is an “observer” bias here (similar to survivorship bias) where all dark naru observed were interacted with by mortals, because how could they not be if we are able to observe them
I'm excited to see the army of light, and Turalyon have a divisive role in the alliance. I really hope the Hallowfall zone has lots of cathedrals as shown in the trailer - it gives me a real Anor Londo vibe with the golden glow and the armour sets. (tbh its the only new zone that has my interest) And Yes to all the videos of course Acco :D
It’s to much, turning the titans into these scheming force is so much worse that what they were before. It makes no sense. And lessens the lore. It’s zovaal on steroids.
Gotta say Accolonn you're intro in first 30 seconds was best i've seen😂, literally from intro to busting straight to point was smoothest shi*t.
Yes thank you for this. A lot of the other creators put the topic in a clickbait title but then don't get to that topic until 15mins in the video. This got right to it.
Void whispers are like Nostrodamus' quatrains. So vague it could be about anything.
That, and to trust the void-sided characters has always prove to be a bad idea.
We have this line by Khadgar in Legion : "I was going through some ancient cosmology tomes when I stumbled upon a passage indicating that the prime naaru may have been created by Elune during the great ordering of Light and Shadow"
The fact he used the word ordering makes me feel like it's going to be relevant to the current Titan implications.
There is a theory going around that the division of light and shadow is what created the power of time, AKA Aman'thul's powers. Think this was a Pyromancer theory.
'They create nothing just co-opt' - Titans as Goa'uld
I think that is a very, very, very apt comparison.
Sounds just rigth
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I want the detailed theory please, also the Arathian video would be good as well.
I think it has been hinted at for a while that Turalyon will turn against Anduin and vice versa. Will Anduin maybe abandon the light? Or will we see two different groups who both interpret the light differently fight eachother?
Anduin seems to interpret "the light" as a vessel of goodness and hope. Turalyon seems to view it more like a literal god/religion.
You all see hints were they don't exist.
Have you read before the storm?
Turalyon is far from being a Light nazi now.
Sadly, the Hawkish Turalyon and Greymane plotlines seems largely abandoned now. That was supposed to tie in with the Scarlets and the retaking of Lordaeron due to their claim that they had the true heir. We played that out in the undead heritage quest, and the Gilneas retaking quest with the Scarlets attacking.. Genn acted like a dove and gave his daughter the keys to the kingdom, and Turalyon couldn't even be bothered to show up.
@@DarkScreamGames that could have turned the Scarlet Crusade into something more than the usual targeting dummy.
Btw - lore wise - as a human main, I'd love to work together with Scaet crusade to retake Lordaeron.
Retaking Gilneas was really poorly delivered.
i think the one who said that naaru were rarely turned to the void but almost always was by mortals interfering; was Aleria's master and teacher which gives the quote more weight since he has more experience with the void than any mortal.
2:18 the Naaru...to... very clever xD
5:18 I'm actually impressed at the skills. So many who use paint try and "write" the names using the pencil. Congratulations on using the Text function!
get on my level bro
Erm... It wasnt Alleria who said, she only saw a few times Naaru entering their void state - It was Lotus Walker. I only know that, cause I recently entered The Seat of the Triumphirat and HE spoke that line, big Bro Accibro
*The light is coming after ..... Your cookies!!*
mmm cookies
This is a big one! Yuge video!
as a Xelotath enjoyer Accolonn, have you seen the old gamecube game 'Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem'? (there is a few no commentary let's play's around here in youtube if you want to see it.)
it just makes me grin, tho i have to admit...she looks better in purple than in green
Accolonn, think on this connection in our lives. When we humans go outside and spend time say, at the beach, or in the mountains and prefer being barefoot? It's because we are literally bound or grounded to our existence on our earth-Azeroth so to speak. That's why we feel so good afterwards. Imagine if we have some "force" trying to change all that? How would we react?
"Where is Yrel?" probably farming her Onlyfans.
Link pls
Its not the light... "It's duh Libs!"
Midnight definitely seems like the time for it. Especially when you remember that the Sunwell is in Quel'Thalas. The same Sunwell that was "purified" with a dying naaru's heart and is now the largest known font of holy energy. ****
And Ion has said they are redoing the whole open world in that area, So you can just fly into Quel'Thalas, No instance portal. This means the plaguelands are being updated (since they have the invisible walls) - So Stratholme, Light's Hope, Tyr's Hand, Uther's Tomb etc all have the potential of being involved too.
Every time I hear "The last titan" i wonder why nodoby has said that this could be a Sargeras redemption arc, that could be crazy, after all, he actually "is" the last titan, he is not dead, that will give us a new illidan for the finale
A few of us have pointed out that Sargeras is the last one since he killed the rest.
@@clogs4956the other ones are not dead, thought they lost their bodies.
I mean, if it wasn't for them Azeroth would have been destroyed by old Sargy.
And yes, I don't trust the speculations about that was an attempt to free her.
@@francescoporcari8597 Norgannon 'saved the Pantheons' essences'... That still intrigues me. Technically, though, they are dead but maybe not as we know it, like demons. Hm.
We shouldn’t trust the Naaru…The Prophet Valen warned us in the recording we were directed to after his death on Draenor; if he had reservations, despite his sacrifice, something is not quite right. Then, there’s X’era - the Prime Naaru - and how it tried to control Illidan. The Naaru/Light was also doing something to Turalyon’s mind, as we see in that same cinematic.
NB: note how many characters have the title Prime. Could be a convention, I suppose, but then the Primus turns up. I do wonder.
Soo what the pantheons actually did was like when you find a very interesting machine and you change some if its parts in order for it to work they way you want
Titans are arcane constructs one step above void. I don't think they can influence anything above them on that side of the cosmology map. That said can they control void? I wouldn't think so but arent there runes in a naaru?
the crystal theory sounds alot like 2001 a space odyssey when the monolith instructs the apes to grab a bone of a dead creature and start hitting other apes with it
Dude that is what exactly I told you last month. Old gods are children of azeroth and the gift of flesh is the blessing of azeroth to give mortals their free will back in order to help her break her titan made prison.
This sounds like how the real world is going right now. :P Things are coming to a head.
I think the mortal leader will be Yrel though... maybe it would have been Turalyon if he was still under control of the light but its sort of a thing that maybe most miss.... his eyes were glowing yellow and then when Illidan destroys Xe're his eyes go back to brown. Maybe he gets "corrupted" by the light again but I believe Yrel being a zealot is the bigger threat. I see her building up her forces and finding a way to open the portal from alternate draenor to our world and comes through with her lightforged draenor army with giant crystal structures that we know can alter the stuff around them as well... I also think its going to be the first expansion after the World Soul Saga. We come back from Northrend to see a Azeroth with giant crystal shards growing out of the earth and flying fortresses patrolling the sky. That'll be the revamp to the rest of the lower eastern kingdom and Durotar.
Ever notice that the arathie look a lot like the Nephlam army from diablo4 and they fight for the light
I would like to see that naru light video you said yo say we wanted to see.
That makes sens raly so much sens
What is the Purpose? I kept seeing this pop up but I still don’t have or see any concrete evidence of what the Purpose is
I’m not convinced that they didn’t create the constructs on Azeroth to be honest.
I wonder if the Naaru are void creatures that were forced into serving the light and The Prime Naaru X'era was supposedly created by Elune.Then is Elune the one that forced them to serve?
Do we even know at least one being who originated from the light or all of them are converted ?
@@Gatto751 We might have never seen a true light being, even the lightspawn look like light converted void lord demon pets.
With Anduin already questioning his ability to call the light and I think it was in Shadows Rising that we found he already had a touch of void, I think the boy king whisper will have to do with that. Will he lie somehow to infiltrate the light on behalf of the void? Not sure how the lies will play out or who Anduin would lie to.
The best swerve would be all the Titans except Sargeras are killed in Midnight and the title “Last Titan” is referring to Sargeras who is free and helping us to stop both the Void and the Light from subjugating Azeroth. 👀
How could you pile up such an amount of nonsense?
Sargeras is a destructive fel infused corrupted creature (as much content in and out of game explicitly establish), not some kind of anti-hero.
You are all buying Pyromancer's bs recently.
I guess we’ll see 😏
@@Maurell we just have to wait July for Chronicle vol. 4.
Suprise surprise old god queen hazeldawn was born for this fight to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I'd like speculatoon on is the nature of the First Ones, and the Eternal Ones. Considering Yog calling himself the God of Death, the connection between him, the void, necromantic power, and the nature of Maldraxxus. But then also, the robotic truth of the Eternal Ones, which could imply that the Curse of Flesh was applied to them for them to reach their final forms. So how was it all supposed ti be connected? I'd wager that whoever or whatever the First Ones really were, had the origin of the knowledge and power of both Order AND the Curse of Flesh. Maldraxxus is clearly a landscape of flesh, the Eternal Ones are clearly Flesh transmuted from automatons, Yogg obviously called himself the God of Death and very well could have been siphoning necromantic power from Maldraxxus, Galakrond was clearly a force of the voids unending hunger, but was also clearly displaying necromantic power and resembled mutations similar to the horrors seen in Maldraxxus. Now Gala's essence is extraordinarily valuable, and contained in the dark heart, which is very likely linked to our new bonus "Old God" prison at the bottom of Aberrus, and whatever might have broken free from there, which Blizzard themselves have vaguely differentiated as a new, higher tier of cosmic void energy. There should be some sort of connection between all of this
Everyone brushed the Aberrus prison under the rug way too quickly. The implications of that prison, how it was shattered, it's architecture differentiating from titan prisons, its secrecy and proximity to Neltharion, Nelths decent to madness in this new scope of things, his rivalry with Iridikron, and the name of the force that the trinket channels, all seem extremely important to me moving forward.
Curse of Flesh potentially originated with the First Ones, was utilized to achieve the perfection of the Eternal Ones and potentially other pantheons, then primarily used by Maldraxxus after the origination and ordering of the Shadowlands, and then stolen by Yogg for his own use? Now the titans crusade against it, seemingly ignorant to the fact that they themselves are automatons made into flesh, because theyve only encountered the Curse of Flesh from the perspective of it coming from Yogg, and know little of the Firtst Ones themselves anymore. But the truth may be that the First Ones intended flesh and robotics to turn hand-in-hand?
Hopefully Chronicle vol. 4 will ditch most of this SL nonsense.
This theory reminds me of soulkiller in cyberpunk
You are still assuming that storytelling is really being practised here. If you look at Dragonflight, phew... just bad. But is it a miracle? It's often been like this with Blizzard. Big announcements, little content. The patches contain events and storylines that are worse than mediocre. A lot of it isn't even a storyline. It's just a video or a 5 minute liberation of Gilenas, something players have been waiting years for.
Everything is designed for a 5 minute game. Everything. It will take more than Metzen to generate a storyline where you log out and say. Man what a story and I was there. I have little hope.
I believe the Naaru are from the Void, but for me it was not the Titans who turned them, but the Light. I don't believe the Titans to be that powerful
Wouldn't it be intriguing if Blizzard rewrote the Scarlet Crusade, so it just so happens that the Nathrezim aren't the only party involved but the Light too?
I'M ON A BOAT XD
Hey accolon. Taht waht you say wiht the best woht make Sens. In cata wie kill lycantos and he was Shadow and darknes, and wenn weh kill him,he turn to Goldrinn
i like lore video so much
First! Also interesting.
Hi first im 2nd
@@holyrs1575Hi 2nd I’n dad
The Army of the Light with the Arathi's and I'm sure the Scarlets will have np joining this crusade. Do you suppose however many soldiers that are loyal to Turalyon in SW will also join this cause. I dont see why not, so its stands to reason that as soon as this invasion begins, SW will be under siege. Lothraxion will be laughing his ass off cause he already knows whats coming.
Well, the Void being among many things isn't the only threat to the whole of existence. With there Access to the timelines, they have seen there Enemy's plans as well, not limited to the Titans. As the Light as well is a More sneaky of Enemy's. And the Void did warn everyone. With The Crown of Light Brings only Darkness. The Light will make a move. Turalyon with open arms will welcome the Army of the Light from Alternative Draenor to Azeroth.
Helya use some kinda of magic that had been used to lock the Elemental Plane to seal Odyn and his Valarjar army inside the Halls of Valor, and then decided to take vrykul souls in her new realm Helheim. Helya would be replaced by Eyir as the leader of the Val'kyr, and Loken would go on to steal Odyn's title of Prime Designate.[8] now that helya is gone odyn is free to return to azaroth from Elemental Plane and odyn has his eye back so would odyn be returning with the light ? What if odyn is a bad guy and Jailer shows helya how to lock odyn in Elemental Plane, and that is what Jailer did to get locked up because he created something that shouldn't been he made deal with helya get Vengeance on oydn jailer give me the eye of oyden and he would be lock away in Elemental Plane. Helya turns to loa of death to trick oyden to give up his eye . Idk I might be overthinking it. I don't know my lore
Arathians lore video pls
Wonder if it's going to mirror what we've already seen in Shadowbringers.
No alliance shilling
16:13 “whenever they come into contact with mortals” is incorrect. Every Naru that comes into contact with mortals (whenever they come into contact with mortals) does not go void. Every naru that goes void came into contact with mortals. They are not the same. It’s like all clouds are water not all water is clouds
I think it's quite clear from the context that is not what I was saying. I never claimed that when they come in contact with mortals, they turn void as I was stating in the video, its when one turns to void, a mortal always appears to be involved and thus could it be the chaos within mortals that affect them so.
@@TheAccolonnit was a literal quote. So the context only adds context to the quote, however I understood what you were trying to say. Sometimes though, the details can make a or break a theory. I know you’re a fan of “but I like the theory” or “rule of cool” style theory crafting vs does it make the most sense but if the justification for the Naru going void is mortal contact, why doesn’t all mortal contact cause void naru. It must be something else if the experiment isn’t bringing the same outcome in the situation (mortal presence = void naru) it must be something else specific to those instances, not just the presence of mortals.
@@NickYoung22 if that is the question you're asking you Clearly didn't understand what I was saying. It also seems you've ignored what I said a second time.
Not all Naaru who come into contact with mortals turn void but all Naaru who turned to void had mortal interference, in other words, as my theory suggests, somrghing within mortals must be the cause, something we do, or something in some of us, or in all of us but only under certain circumstances. Take your pick.
@@TheAccolonn well, I don’t know exactly what I’ve ignored. I was just quoting then clarifying your point since what you said was so specific it was incorrect. Using context as a means for saying it is correct is incorrect. I was just trying to refine the point so as to bring it into focus. It seems to me the main cause for naru turning dark is having their light drained. I wouldn’t say it’s “chaos” within us. Muru for example was drained, willingly, to fuel the paladins. Is that chaos? Also please don’t read this as argument as much as discussion. Also, to help push you even further into frustration with me (joking but probably still true lol) I am confident anduin is arthas’ son.
@@TheAccolonn to give a finer point to it. It’s not the presence of mortals specifically that causes a darkened naru. It’s something more specific. To give a comparative example. Every time a raid boss dies, players are the cause. However, there being players fighting the raid boss does not mean the boss will die. It’s something more specific (the proper execution of the fight) so my interest is in what that specific is. They call Murus void form “entropy” or decay of energy into chaos. This entropy happens naturally in nature, so perhaps there is an “observer” bias here (similar to survivorship bias) where all dark naru observed were interacted with by mortals, because how could they not be if we are able to observe them
I'm excited to see the army of light, and Turalyon have a divisive role in the alliance. I really hope the Hallowfall zone has lots of cathedrals as shown in the trailer - it gives me a real Anor Londo vibe with the golden glow and the armour sets. (tbh its the only new zone that has my interest) And Yes to all the videos of course Acco :D
It’s to much, turning the titans into these scheming force is so much worse that what they were before. It makes no sense. And lessens the lore. It’s zovaal on steroids.
It has literally been like this since Ulduar. It's not the games fault you dont pay attention