Also in the Pilot when Kinger peaked out of his Fortress he said: "Did someone say something about an insect collection"? He probably was thinking about his wife before he came out.
You be suprise how bugs sometime can be a good thing inside game. One time, there this game call "My Friendly Neighborhood" there a bug where one of the puppet somehow when got shot, explode into more puppet. The creator of the game keep it becuase it make the game way more scary for the gamers.....
@@syabilaazri7834True. In Ultra Kill, the ability to parry your own bullets as they're being shot out of your gun was also a bug that the developers left in because it made things more fun.
It’s not that Caine isn’t listening. he’s simply unconsciously taking Zoobles “forget it” seriously. so Zooble is causing their own torment because of their dismissive speech patterns
Also, with regard to Zooble's problem, he doesn't remember because because to him, Zooble's problem has already been resolved, even though his solution is just to give Zooble more options for body parts, and not anything that Zooble is happy or comfortable with.
26:38 Gooseworx confirmed that alle of the humans remember their past lives except for their names. Gummigoo wasn't a human, he was an NPC that became self aware, so he couldn't know more than what Caine programmed him to know. The main cast (except for Caine) is believed to be human, so they can remember their past life, or pieces of it.
@@sarafontanini7051 Yeah, but she just said she came originally from outside the circus, which was implied by how she said she put on a headset and appeared there in episode 1. Most people (myself included), even knowing this, thought they forgot everything except for the headset.
So they remember all of it? Or just parts of it? I assumed they knew parts of it and knew what they were in was wrong, but not that they knew everything
The thing with Caine I think is that he's a literalist, every time Zooble says 'forget it' he literally just forgets it, which is why he doesn't remember
Given he's an AI, his programming it likely to make fun adventures and do what he can to make his guests comfortable, including any request he's able to grant. He's smart enough to carry a conversation and attempt to use his problem-solving abilities, but he can't actually relate to them since he's a program.
With the whole thing about the Spirits asking Kinger about his wife, Caine is basically catered to children but is forced to change his nature to entertain adults instead, so his understanding of what is "matoor" is pretty skewed and is about making things edgy. Not knowing that creating spirit characters to forcefully possess people and use their past trauma against them is a tad bit too far.
its also ambiguoius how much CONTROL he has over the adventures. he didn't step in at all when pomni went out of bounds and was actually surprised by everyone taking gumigoo out, I think he jsut has like base paremeters on how the adventures go and then jsut lets things play out on their own after he goes to do other shit.
Well... It's also a horror movie reference. From an older movie, so one that Caine most likely has in his learning code. In "The Exorcist" (in which a hell-stuck entity possesses a girl, who flips her neck 180 degrees, sound familiar to the scene?) as the older priest is trying to kick out the demon from the small girl, through physical measures (still sound familiar?), the demon, from hell, speaks casually about the priest's wife, as if he, ahem, "knows" her in hell. Now, Caine can't have sexual content, all-ages and all that, so no commenting on her hell-bound hobbies, but the reference is pretty clear.
I could wrong (someone correct me if i am) But i believe Gooseworx said Everyone not remembering there past is actually a fandom misconception, Everyone in the Circus DOES remember there pas life's just not there real Names
I believe everyone remembers (at least) fragments of their lives but not the specifics tied to their own identities involved with the circus' outside developpement. Like Pomni remembering putting a VR headset, but not why as it could be tied to her job and identity. Kinger probably he did study computer science and some his and his wife interactions, but can't remember himself working on the circus, but remembers the technical knowledge of being in VR bodies. Thus I believe only the information that would be a give away to be one person or not another is forgotten, like from being one of the devs having worked on the circus or maybe leading the project to only remembering being A software developper among many others as an example.
@@Airier It's because of all of the content farming on TH-cam when this show wasn't made for kids which has made so many watch, so they were throwing that in there because they're aware of that and i think it's funny😅
Something interesting to note that I don’t think was talked about yet, the way Kinger says “the worst thing you can do in this world is make them think they’re unwanted or unloved” and following it up with a “always cherish the people you love closely, cause you’ll never know when they’ll go away.” Implies somewhat that Kinger and his wife were likely hitting a rocky bump in their relationship prior to the abstraction. Perhaps it could even be the reason his wife abstracted in the first place. Granted this is all merely speculation over some wording, but I still think it’s interesting to note.
@@runajain5773 maybe, but the thing is; with how Kinger recounts the story, I doubt he ever attacked his wife in that way, or even assumed she was an abstraction prior to her actually becoming one (which is the only reasonable explanation for him to attack her like Theodore does). With what we know now, at least.
I think it was Cartoon Universe who had the same thought. That Kinger and Queenie were either in a rough patch or something happened between them, possibly during an adventure, that broke her. I’m not sure if we’ll ever get that answer but if it’s possible to save the abstracted, I hope Kinger and his wife can be reunited.
Irl Queenie was probably an entomologist, and Kinger was a computer programmer, they ended up in The Circus together because she was probably helping him test the game. They are playing with the word “bug” because a computer science working on a program would hate bugs, but a entomologist would have a passion for them. Kinger now liking bugs would be a way of saying how much he loves his wife but it would also be a way of accepting the imperfections in life, him not minding the bugs in his system
Caine is interesting because it seems like he isn't trying to mess with the players. From what we can tell, he is an actual AI. As he says here, adventures are all he can do and be good at. He was designed to play games and send players on adventures, and so that is what his whole personality is forced to revolve around and the only solution he is able to come up with to solve any problem making the players unhappy. He probably genuinely doesn't understand how much he freaks out and antagonizes them because he does not comprehend what their real problems are and is basically trying to perform a lot of tasks he was never supposed to handle and is trying to figure out his own constraints by making things up as he goes through trial and error. Like his failed attempt in the pilot to make an exit but being unable to put anything at the other end since he cannot reach outside of the system he is confined to in order to let them out.
Kinda reminds me of the Emoji robots from doctor who. Robots that were designed to keep people happy, but people are fickle so the robots are unable to keep the humans happy. Cain is designed to keep them entertained and stimulated with adventures. Which is why Zooble un-attendance to his adventures are bothering him so much. Everyone will know not to make Cain who's only trying to help happy, but if Jax finds out the simulation might break.
or hell even understand why anyone wants an exit in the first place, he understands they want an exit, just not WHY they want an exit, to him its just a WORD, its meaning is lost on him
@@sarafontanini7051 Even the concept. Like it's a door but in this case. Its like a door to a room, if you go through the door. You leave the room and enter another place. The exit door everyone wants is one that would not only allow them to leave the room, but also leave that plane of existence. Cain can't comprehend this as its outside his plane of existence. So a door needs to actually connect to something else in this world he lives in.
@@TheArcSet more that he doesn't understand how humans work. if someone just sat down and guided him thru how to work with people a lot of pomnis issues and the others would be lessened.
Something interesting that Zooble doesn't realize is that it seems like, since Caine listens to them and their wishes, he actually forgets when they say to forget it. "- Urgh, forget it. You're probably not even listening - Zooble, look at this cool bee I drew !" Maybe it's not that he wasn't listening, it's that he actually forgot their previous conversation, as they told him to. "- Forget it. - Forget it ? - Just forget it. - Forget what ?" This one is pretty self explanatory. He already forgot after the first time they said to forget it. He probably says "Forget it ?" as a question because he doesn't know what "it" is. It was removed from his memory as soon as Zooble said to forget it. And well the "Forget what ?" after the second time makes it pretty clear that he just forgot right after they told him to.
So funny enough Kinger having the ability to glow is kind of ironic. In fact, him needing darkness to think clearly and his mind going blank when in external light. And since glowing is more effective in the darkness, the place where he thinks clearly, that can actually be more useful when his mind is gathered.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker I wouldn't that sounds weird 😂 my sister already walks around saying WHAT'S UP MY SKIBIDI SIGMA?? as a joke because that phrase is sooo.. dumb, so dumb it's great
@@theflotingheadproduc people sent to hell or foresaken by god are often called "the damned", hence "God damn". The spirits that possessed Pomni were evil, hence they are "Damn evil spirits".
Gangle, ribbon mask person, is actually a girl, I believe, not a boy. So “she is drawing” not “he…”. I understand it can be kind of hard to tell since she’s a ribbon person. They do leave context clues though, like Jax saying “Ladies first!” Then saying “Wait, no, why would I say that?” and pushing Gangle down, inferring that she is one of the ladies in a super subtle way.
In gooseworx twitter she reveal gender of every of character in arts jax use board counting he sad female cast is more than male cast Female:pomni , ragatha and bangle Male:jax , kinger (kfuofmo is adstrated so minus ) Interestly neutral gender :zooble yep google have neutral gender
@@NoxAtlasthe way they talk about their body too feels like a metaphor for gender dysphoria to an extent? If it also could be *just* body dysmorphia, or a *mix of both*!!! But it felt pretty coded imo. Especially with Caine seemingly not understanding that he cant just magically fix it feeling very close to how some ppl I've met not quite understanding that as a nonbinary/trans person it's not as easy as "just transition"
A minor detail I really like in this episode is Pomni’s impatience searching the lower floor of the manor - it was easy on first watch to think “oh, Pomni’s just not doing well right now,” but two of her worst experiences had to do with doors that lead nowhere (on her first day no less). Guess it’s a bit of a sore spot for her now.
You say 'at least it's memory flags'. I think that complete memory loss is so much worse than death. When a character dies, everything ends. But memory loss is undoing everything they remembered. It's not just burning a book. It's leaving the book intact, but erasing all the pages. You aren't losing the book, but instead everything it was. Death takes away what could be but loss takes away what was, and that hurts almost more.
Ahhhhh. I just realized. In episode 2, during Koufmo funeral, Kinger was all the time with his eyes closed while he talked about memories with him. He was trying to keep himself in "darkness" to remember better.
Congratulations goose works went over what its like for people with body dysphoria and someone having dementia and how it feels seeing those rare moments of lucidity I think they played the ending straight due to the seriousness of the topics
1. Caine is actually trying his best to entertain the humans and I do believe him saying any torture or horrifying experience is accidental 2. The people trapped there do have most of their memories, they just don't remember their original names
Watched the episode myself the day it dropped, so I'll just go ahead and share the notes I took at the time and refined while waiting on this: - Jax's teasing aside, I feel like his insistence on getting Pomni to overcome her own human survival instincts and test the limits of her digital body is his way of being _helpful._ We've seen before that there's layers to him, after all. - Caine, being his usual chaotic self. - Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Pomni has an aversion to horror. She's pretty nervous by default. -- I feel like the vacuum cleaner was more a nod to the Polter-Gust from _Luigi's Mansion._ Granted, I don't think I've ever _seen_ the original _Ghostbusters_ all the way through, so maybe their traps are more vacuum-ish than they look? (Was about a minute ahead of Airier on that.) -- I'm honestly not convinced _any_ of the Circus residents are NPCs at this point. There's no firm evidence to support the theory, and honestly, it detracts from the more interesting psychological undercurrents of the cast's humanity. - On the one hand, Caine *_is_*_ trying_ to provide psychological and emotional support to his charges. On the other hand, _he's _*_really bad at it,_* because he was never _programmed_ to need to do that. - Locked doors and audio logs. Yep, we're in a horror game, all right. - Sean Chiplock sounds like he was having a _blast_ with this episode. - So, we've already had depression and existential crises in previous episodes -- now we can add _body dysmorphia_ to the list! Fun for the whole [HONK!]in' family! - Kinger's unexpected badassery kinda makes sense, even outside of its narrative necessity. He's usually so completely dissociated from his reality that he's at minimal risk of Abstraction, but it seems like, in the moments when his _perception_ of that reality is _limited,_ he becomes more _lucid._ His pillow fort, the inside of that bucket, a dark cellar with only two things to focus on... the less he has to think about, the clearer his thoughts become, it seems! - Seems like the folks who speculated that Kinger used to be a systems engineer might've been right. "Seven years of computer science" is the biggest piece of backstory he's given us so far (though the line about his wife, the queen piece from one of the doors in Episode 1, is a close second). - Called it, didn't I? Darkness helps him remain lucid -- and there's a sweet, affectionate lad under it all. - I feel like the darkness being a pacifying influence on Abstracted people might parallel certain kinds of neurodivergence. Being on the autism spectrum, I've often found bright, noisy environments overwhelming and overstimulating, and that's with just _two_ eyes -- with as many eyes as Abstracted people have, the Circus is likely completely overloading them... though the Cellar, being pitch-black, might help them regain some degree of lucidity. I feel like we might see that later. - I've got no idea how long this series is planned to run for (I've heard 9 episodes this season), but I hope we get to spend a good long time with this crew. It's honestly good for _my_ messed-up emotional state seeing Pomni work through _hers,_ and I'm sure I'm not the _only_ one who feels that way!
yes the ghost busters' gear are not vacuum cleaners, they are just simplified as such for parodies such as Luigi's Mansion, the lieklly ACTUAL thing being homaged. In fact the ghostbusters have TWO bits of gear: the iconic proton packs they carry on their backs which are basically just energy beams to attack and pull over ghosts towards the ACTUAL capture gear: essenitally a small toaster like device.
@@sarafontanini7051even lady and introduction ghost in show also luigi mansion ghost arts type you know different colours in every ghost always give different vibe
I wouldn't really call this episode heartwarming, it's more...creepily heartwarming. Oh also, here's what Bubble says in reverse:“I can’t wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster!”
I saw in another comment, someone saying that Caine forgets BECAUSE Zooble has a habit of saying "forget it". I can actually vouch for AI acting EXACTLY like that, with lines like those
One thing the subreddit pointed out that I haven't seen anyone else notice is the number "57" keeps popping up ("He can turn a 57 second story into a greek tragedy" in this episodes and "I made the AI 57 percent more immersive in this one!" in the last for example) Idk what it could mean but it's something to think about
Heinz ketchup. 57 varieties. Also jokingly known as the Grothendieck prime, because the guy it's named after made a mistake and said it was prime without checking (3×19=57). Roman numbers are LVII. Just some info I found, in case it does mean anything.
And isn't Kinger... Oh, he's 48. Ah, so close to a connection. :P Actually, that's pretty sad; it's relatively young for someone to have Alzheimer's. It can happen in middle aged people, but it's a lot less common.
By the way: the angel is available as a plush at their store. It is still disturbing, even in a stuffed toy form. Perfect to give to someone on Halloween.
you are apparently confused about memories. Everyone remembers pretty much everything, except their names and maybe some other stuff - not a lot missing overall. It's just Kinger being insane and forgetting everything in a short while. Note how he also tends to stick to his shadowed pillow fort, where he keeps his memories. He also remembered Ragatha's early days while in bucket.
Caine is like GladOs in a way, They only exist to make adventures/tests, if anything changes, they fail to process what happens next and have to force everything back to the intended path.
It's funny that the horror episode of The Amazing Digital Circus is the most heartwarming one so far. At the very least, it has a happier ending than the previous two, even if it's still somewhat bittersweet. Kinger is the GOAT, would love to know even more about Zooble, and the fabric of digital reality being literally tied to Caine's ego and sense of self-worth feels like a dangerous Chekhov's Gun being loaded! Also, it's a minor thing, but honestly, one of my favorite moments of this episode was Pomni finally recognizing Ragatha's care and consideration for her. I wonder if their relationship will grow from there... One more thing, Gooseworx confirmed that all the human characters remembered their lives before entering the Digital Circus, they only forget their name upon entering. She did that SPECIFICALLY to preemptively address criticisms of so-called "plotholes" when the characters eventually do recall stuff from their past lives in the show... which is funny, because Pomni clearly remembered what happened immediately before entering the Digital Circus in the first episode, so the idea that their memories before entering the Digital Circus was always a misconception. Edit: also, Gummigoo was an NPC, a program made by Caine, the whole point behind his creation was to be an obstacle in an adventure Caine made for the human players, he didn't know he was in a simulation because he was part of the simulation. Pomni, Ragatha, Jax, Gangle, Kinger, and Zooble are all humans who know they're in a game, and Caine is the AI "ringmaster" of the game whose job it is to guide the players within the Digital Circus, so of course he's self-aware (I guess the same applies for Bubble, too, given that he's Caine's assistant). Also, if no one is supposed to be aware they're in a simulation, how would Pomni be able to explain what Gummigoo was in the previous episode?
There is a huge abstraction flag for Kinger as in the store they have a pair of socks called Soulmates which has Kinger and Queenie on the packaging but both the socks are abstracted.
16:22 Alternatively, Caine is somehow referencing war criminals who insist that any of the atrocities they committed were "100% accidental" and taking them at their word. For example: Caine's database or training data or whatever could contain references to war crime trials in which soldiers were being tried for things like bombing civilian residences, hospitals, schools, etc. They get brought to trial and insist they thought the locations contained enemy combatants and the trauma caused was unintentional. Caine could have read through the data and took them at their word figuring that "war criminals" are just regular soldiers who accidentally blow up innocent people while fighting the enemy. Considering he appears to be an AI designed to create adventures for people and last episode his adventure let the players shoot up the thieves or inleash a giant monster on a candy kingdom, his understanding of morality could be pretty messed up since "war crimes" could be things players love commiting and he wouldn't know how they are treated in real life.
I love that we now get an explanation for Kinger’s pillow fort. It’s to remember and not be crazy, and that’s why he freaked out in the pilot when it got taken down suddenly. Because he wanted to remember
The "more uplifting type of horror" This SO accurate, I thought you have already watched it! This episode is kind of a healing episode after the first two.
I'd be surprised if Kinger was the literal creator, but I'd also be surprised if he wasn't on the team, either. My thinking is that he volunteered to be the first to test it, and his wife came along (whether or not she also worked there, who knows). They discovered that there was no way out, but they also had no way to notify the team, so they started letting other people through. I think it was still in the phase of closed testing though, with devs and volunteers who signed up doing the testing rather than a public release. Personally, I think Pomni just happened to find the equipment long after the company shut down, and she's the first one to join in for years, but that's more speculative than anything. Also, Caine's problem is that while he's an intelligent and sentient AI, being serious is very much not his forte. He was made with the intent of being a wacky host for children to laugh at and watch (and potentially participate in) fun adventures. He recognizes that being stuck in his world isn't normal and healthy, but he doesn't really know how to deal with it in a way that would come natural to a normal person. He remembers Kingers wife and thinks "oh, how scary would it be for *that* to be brought up again?" not realizing that some lines you just don't cross. Makes sense when you consider the somewhat inappropriate jokes he's made like the "why didn't anyone *tell* me?!" from the first episode. He's an intelligent AI though, probably moreso than the npcs he's made, and I'm looking forward to his growth and potential realization that he's been the potential reason for the varying abstractions this whole time.
Well pomni say he want me to suffer it mean there is someone who hate her it could ceo, creator , developer because a lot of reason like personal hatred jealousy or she found the company dirty secret like this vr human experiment she aware that before she do something they already succes to sent her in vr world
Kinger’s Woodgrain, and Ragatha’s animation style seems to have been enhanced. It all looks pretty nice now. Kinger’s personality reminds me of the insane mathematician in The Cube, where there is brilliance trapped inside a flawed shell, and every once in a while, it shines through.
30:32 this moment hits me harder here and when i watched the episode. Don't push people away. Trust me even if they hurt you in the past. If they make a effort to change let them. When you think your ready sometimes its too late.
I noticed something. The longer someone in the Circus is the more Memories they lose. And the more memories they lose the more Insane they get... I don't think kinger is insane for the hell of it. I think kinger just almost completely lost his memories only being able to come back to lucidity in complete darkness because its a fond memory that triggers the rest of his memories to come back.
@fenikeizu3392 Do they all lose memories? Gooseworx has said that they remember their lives and pasts with the exception of their original names, and Kinger's case might just be his own personal response to trauma rather than an inherent aspect of staying in the circus.
i think he just lost his memories due to trauma and madness, not as a side effect of being trapped in the circus as like a nature of the circus type thing, its just a response to the trauma the circus' adventures have given him
@@sarafontanini7051 My only other possible evidence would be the people that already abstracted but with the exception of Kinger's description of Queenie we don't actually know what they were really like before abstracting. WE do know Kaufmo went completely insane before his abstraction because of his room and the others saying he was acting weird and kinda forgetfull
30:10 No. They remember who they were in real life. They just don't remember the full context of getting in the Digital Circus. For example, if a person worked at CnA he only knows his profession, but not the company. He remembers that he put on a helmet, but he does not remember that he put on a helmet to test the program, fo example
Funnily enough feeling existential horror is one of those things where you kinda just have to accept "it is what it is" and move on from it since the dread of it comes from constantly lamenting it. So technically in that sense Caine's adventures are fine enough way to deal with it
Yeh even different dub have full liberty they want in write in their even it does translate same or not but it funny it okey like polish in english where mewing milkmaid but in polish it skibidi sigma
The fact kinger goes into his fort where it's dark is the only place where he gets clarity is so sad. What is it about the game world that makes him forgetful? How long is too long? Bc they don't have a time frame except the moon and the sun but even they are in the same place and the same time so there's no viable way to get a time unless there has been clocks in the rooms provided to them.. I love this show.
Fun fact, in the polish dub of the episode Caine calls them his “Skibidi Sigmas” instead of “Meowing Milkmaids” and then Caine and Jax’s English VAs dubbed over the clip with their own voices saying that version and posted it to Twitter (on Caine’s VA profile with Kovach retweeting it)
I actually kind of have a different take, considering that Ragatha did mention Caine loves to reuse NPCs, that ghoulish possession feels like it was actually made before or during Queenie's abstraction, and he had just pulled that one to throw in there because it fits well.
Just to remind you, Gangle is female and goes by "she/her" while Zooble is non-binary and goes by "they/them". Just felt that it is important to mention.
Just of note: There's nothing about not remembering ANYTHING from before the circus, it's that they can't remember their name. Caine doesn't have control of their mind, but it's only their name that is explicitly said that they can't remember it. Pomni remembers putting on the headset, and probably more before that, since in the first episode she seems to recognize the computer in the office space, likely being the computer she used when she put the headset on. Kinger's essentially got dementia, unable to easily recall his past, but the darkness, and his last memory of his wife, ground him enough to recover some, if not most, of his memories. Also, it's Queenie, not Queener. xP
This confirms that Caine is looking into their minds but is ignorant of the harm he causes as he builds his adventures. This also strengthened the idea everyone there at the circus is aware of some part of their lives-themselves back in the real world despite the memory loss. Pomni recognised the C&A computer that brought them here, Ragatha aware of her fear of centipedes, and now Kinger's memories as a programmer and of his wife's field of study.
Yee, this episode is the one that locked me in for the show. Also, just subscribed yesterday but I appreciate that you react to so much indie stuff and to animatics! That are not all super popular already (great bonus)!
So far for my guesses of their previous lives, Kinger was a programmer that helped develop the game (easiest almost confirmed), Gangle was an artist for it, Jax could be a test subject (like a D Class, could be a prisoner), Ragatha maybe a receptionist, Pomni a general office worker. Kaufmo gives me a janitor vibe with his pose we see him in. Caine could be the main creator or an AI. Bubble could be anything.
I think it’s interesting that since Caine’s an ai when Zooble says “forget it” his code literally forgets it. Same with the Zooble parts, the problem was “solved” so his code wiped it from his memory bank until Zooble reminded him.
21:33 I was thinking "that looks like scp 096 without head" by now I see blood on its hands and... is this model of 096 from garrys mod put into this? That would be funny
"The only thing i got no control over is your minds" yeah, so what was that with the possession, unless its not considered mind control, its proof their body can get controlled by cain
@@Rubberman202 yes, but the "souls" are part of the game, meaning that cain has the ability to take control of there bodies by proxy, still a big yikes
@@BigQ8753 Yeah, that IS a big yikes, and the fact that the souls called out Kinger's wife specifically is an even bigger yikes. Still, I felt that Caine specifying that the one thing he doesn't have control over is the players' minds implied that he basically has control over everything else, including their bodies; this is shown when he fixes Ragatha's glitched body in the first episode, and even Caine summoning Zooble in this episode is a form of manipulating their bodies to a degree.
My theory is that Pomnii, Jax, Ragatha, Gangle, Zooble, and Kinger are all the designers of Caine and all purposely put themselves into the game to test it. The test being how long they could survive without going insane. The memories of certain characters being there longer than others were just planted in their minds so it makes the simulation seem more real.
One of the pieces of merch they released with this episode is a terrible spoiler. It's a pair of socks. The toes, trim, and heels are purple on one, and red on the other, and the rest of the space is the black with coloured eyes like the abstractions. Kinger's robe is purple, and Queenie's was red. The socks are called 'Checkmate Socks'. And the description says "Imagine if your feet gave up and something terrible happened. And also were warm.".
In a way, Caine really was listening. When Zooble says "forget it" Caine literally deletes the conversation from his mind because he thinks they mean that rather than "let's not talk about it." He gives off the vibes of wanting to be the center of attention, but that's just cause he doesn't understand human social cues. He's an algorithmic intelligence, after all.
Also also, when Kinger mentions how she got him to like bugs, it makes you think back to the first two episodes Episode 1, Did someone say something about an insect collection? Episode 2, They even have little candy bugs here.
I've seen people say that Caine takes "forget it" literally, but I also have another interpretation that could coexist with this one. Zooble's problem didn't come up because, according to him, it's already been "resolved" and is thus no longer listed as an ongoing issue in his program.
Instead of Caine being everything, I believe he is the "creator" The game wasn't made first and then Caine added. He was the only thing added. And his purpose is to make adventures. So they just kinda dropped him into a blank space (possibly the void) and he made the circus first. As a kind of hub area (cause he was programmed to make a game and all games have a hub menu/area) thus if he starts malfunctioning (like when he did in front of zooble) all of his creations will start to break too. (We didn't get to see it but I imagine the others saw the mansion glitch out) Caine is basically the coconut picture in TF2. If he isn't there, nothing works.
25:30 Remember in the second episode Ragatha told Pomni that Caine likes to reuse NPCs, perhaps this one that possessed Pomni meet in the past Kinger before somehow
Abstraction doesn't come from panicking or going insane, abstraction is what happens when one doesn't have the will to go on and just gives up. Everyone in the circus remembers their lives, just not their names. Gummiegoo was an AI and therefore had no past to remember.
What if all those who are abstracted are those who’s bodies have been glitched out because in the first episode when Ragatha is attacked by Coughmo she gets all glitchy and it spread by touch my theory but not sure
I have this theory about the abstracted. From what we've hear/see, the abstracted are light sensitive, and the lights in the circus are are blaring bright, driving them mad like kofmo. But in the dark, their calm and suggestive. Much like queeny.
One thing to note: When Kinger had that lucid memory of when Ragatha first arrived last episode, he had that bucket over his head. He was in darkness.
OH, good memory 😃
Nice pfp👍😁
Nice catch😊
Also in the Pilot when Kinger peaked out of his Fortress he said: "Did someone say something about an insect collection"? He probably was thinking about his wife before he came out.
MD pfp spotted :P
A programmer hating computer bugs but getting with a lady who loves actual bugs is so heartwarming.
You be suprise how bugs sometime can be a good thing inside game. One time, there this game call "My Friendly Neighborhood" there a bug where one of the puppet somehow when got shot, explode into more puppet. The creator of the game keep it becuase it make the game way more scary for the gamers.....
@@syabilaazri7834True. In Ultra Kill, the ability to parry your own bullets as they're being shot out of your gun was also a bug that the developers left in because it made things more fun.
@@syabilaazri7834 Another example is Minecraft, the most iconic enemy in the game began as a bugged pig.
Don't forget about the rocket jump in TF2
It’s not that Caine isn’t listening. he’s simply unconsciously taking Zoobles “forget it” seriously. so Zooble is causing their own torment because of their dismissive speech patterns
could also be a self defense mechanism he's clearly not doing well with handling all his "guests problems "
that is exactly what i was thinking
Also, with regard to Zooble's problem, he doesn't remember because because to him, Zooble's problem has already been resolved, even though his solution is just to give Zooble more options for body parts, and not anything that Zooble is happy or comfortable with.
I had the same thought, the way she says,'Just forget it', might sound like a command to Caine
26:38 Gooseworx confirmed that alle of the humans remember their past lives except for their names. Gummigoo wasn't a human, he was an NPC that became self aware, so he couldn't know more than what Caine programmed him to know. The main cast (except for Caine) is believed to be human, so they can remember their past life, or pieces of it.
I'm so glad someone mentioned this because a lot of people haven't seen that post and it's a very important piece of lore.
@@MichaelZimmerman-zl8zz i mean the fact pomni talked about the world outside the circus last episode should've been a clue
@@sarafontanini7051 Yeah, but she just said she came originally from outside the circus, which was implied by how she said she put on a headset and appeared there in episode 1. Most people (myself included), even knowing this, thought they forgot everything except for the headset.
@@MichaelZimmerman-zl8zz
She clearly recognized the computer set-up at the end of episode 1.
So they remember all of it? Or just parts of it? I assumed they knew parts of it and knew what they were in was wrong, but not that they knew everything
The thing with Caine I think is that he's a literalist, every time Zooble says 'forget it' he literally just forgets it, which is why he doesn't remember
Given he's an AI, his programming it likely to make fun adventures and do what he can to make his guests comfortable, including any request he's able to grant. He's smart enough to carry a conversation and attempt to use his problem-solving abilities, but he can't actually relate to them since he's a program.
He went Amelia Badelia on them
With the whole thing about the Spirits asking Kinger about his wife, Caine is basically catered to children but is forced to change his nature to entertain adults instead, so his understanding of what is "matoor" is pretty skewed and is about making things edgy. Not knowing that creating spirit characters to forcefully possess people and use their past trauma against them is a tad bit too far.
its also ambiguoius how much CONTROL he has over the adventures. he didn't step in at all when pomni went out of bounds and was actually surprised by everyone taking gumigoo out, I think he jsut has like base paremeters on how the adventures go and then jsut lets things play out on their own after he goes to do other shit.
Well... It's also a horror movie reference. From an older movie, so one that Caine most likely has in his learning code. In "The Exorcist" (in which a hell-stuck entity possesses a girl, who flips her neck 180 degrees, sound familiar to the scene?) as the older priest is trying to kick out the demon from the small girl, through physical measures (still sound familiar?), the demon, from hell, speaks casually about the priest's wife, as if he, ahem, "knows" her in hell. Now, Caine can't have sexual content, all-ages and all that, so no commenting on her hell-bound hobbies, but the reference is pretty clear.
I could wrong (someone correct me if i am)
But i believe Gooseworx said Everyone not remembering there past is actually a fandom misconception, Everyone in the Circus DOES remember there pas life's just not there real Names
This is correct.
I believe everyone remembers (at least) fragments of their lives but not the specifics tied to their own identities involved with the circus' outside developpement.
Like Pomni remembering putting a VR headset, but not why as it could be tied to her job and identity.
Kinger probably he did study computer science and some his and his wife interactions, but can't remember himself working on the circus, but remembers the technical knowledge of being in VR bodies.
Thus I believe only the information that would be a give away to be one person or not another is forgotten, like from being one of the devs having worked on the circus or maybe leading the project to only remembering being A software developper among many others as an example.
“But Film Theory said-“
“WHAT IF FILM THEORY WAS WRONG??”
@@LeafRazorStormMe: What part of THEORY you don't get??
Wouldn't really make sense if they don't remember their past lives while also desperately wanting to return to their past lives
Speaking backwards bubble says, and i'm paraphrasing, "I wonder how many kids will get nightmares from the monster"
Only kids? 😶😅
Also kidaluts.
Well that's one way to stop kids to watch your show
Thank you @CoffeeAcorn
@@Airier It's because of all of the content farming on TH-cam when this show wasn't made for kids which has made so many watch, so they were throwing that in there because they're aware of that and i think it's funny😅
Something interesting to note that I don’t think was talked about yet, the way Kinger says “the worst thing you can do in this world is make them think they’re unwanted or unloved” and following it up with a “always cherish the people you love closely, cause you’ll never know when they’ll go away.” Implies somewhat that Kinger and his wife were likely hitting a rocky bump in their relationship prior to the abstraction. Perhaps it could even be the reason his wife abstracted in the first place. Granted this is all merely speculation over some wording, but I still think it’s interesting to note.
Or like Theodore that audio guy where how he lost her wife it could analogy how kinger he lost wife
@@runajain5773 maybe, but the thing is; with how Kinger recounts the story, I doubt he ever attacked his wife in that way, or even assumed she was an abstraction prior to her actually becoming one (which is the only reasonable explanation for him to attack her like Theodore does). With what we know now, at least.
I think it was Cartoon Universe who had the same thought. That Kinger and Queenie were either in a rough patch or something happened between them, possibly during an adventure, that broke her. I’m not sure if we’ll ever get that answer but if it’s possible to save the abstracted, I hope Kinger and his wife can be reunited.
I wouldn’t say that Caine is everything, but instead some load bearing code that the rest of the circus can’t run without.
So hes the coconut png
( yes i know that was a tf2 myth but it fits)
Good 😊
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@@geoshark12 Yeah, pretty much.
@@geoshark12 He's the cardboard cow.
I think he's like the manager program that tells everything to keep on existing when they otherwise would do other things like unexisting.
Irl Queenie was probably an entomologist, and Kinger was a computer programmer, they ended up in The Circus together because she was probably helping him test the game. They are playing with the word “bug” because a computer science working on a program would hate bugs, but a entomologist would have a passion for them. Kinger now liking bugs would be a way of saying how much he loves his wife but it would also be a way of accepting the imperfections in life, him not minding the bugs in his system
Caine is interesting because it seems like he isn't trying to mess with the players.
From what we can tell, he is an actual AI. As he says here, adventures are all he can do and be good at.
He was designed to play games and send players on adventures, and so that is what his whole personality is forced to revolve around and the only solution he is able to come up with to solve any problem making the players unhappy.
He probably genuinely doesn't understand how much he freaks out and antagonizes them because he does not comprehend what their real problems are and is basically trying to perform a lot of tasks he was never supposed to handle and is trying to figure out his own constraints by making things up as he goes through trial and error. Like his failed attempt in the pilot to make an exit but being unable to put anything at the other end since he cannot reach outside of the system he is confined to in order to let them out.
Kinda reminds me of the Emoji robots from doctor who. Robots that were designed to keep people happy, but people are fickle so the robots are unable to keep the humans happy. Cain is designed to keep them entertained and stimulated with adventures. Which is why Zooble un-attendance to his adventures are bothering him so much. Everyone will know not to make Cain who's only trying to help happy, but if Jax finds out the simulation might break.
or hell even understand why anyone wants an exit in the first place, he understands they want an exit, just not WHY they want an exit, to him its just a WORD, its meaning is lost on him
@@sarafontanini7051 Even the concept. Like it's a door but in this case. Its like a door to a room, if you go through the door. You leave the room and enter another place. The exit door everyone wants is one that would not only allow them to leave the room, but also leave that plane of existence. Cain can't comprehend this as its outside his plane of existence. So a door needs to actually connect to something else in this world he lives in.
Very true.
Gooseworx actually confirmed very early on that Cain is sincerely trying to help the cast, but he doesn't understand how.
@@TheArcSet more that he doesn't understand how humans work. if someone just sat down and guided him thru how to work with people a lot of pomnis issues and the others would be lessened.
Something interesting that Zooble doesn't realize is that it seems like, since Caine listens to them and their wishes, he actually forgets when they say to forget it.
"- Urgh, forget it. You're probably not even listening
- Zooble, look at this cool bee I drew !"
Maybe it's not that he wasn't listening, it's that he actually forgot their previous conversation, as they told him to.
"- Forget it.
- Forget it ?
- Just forget it.
- Forget what ?"
This one is pretty self explanatory. He already forgot after the first time they said to forget it. He probably says "Forget it ?" as a question because he doesn't know what "it" is. It was removed from his memory as soon as Zooble said to forget it.
And well the "Forget what ?" after the second time makes it pretty clear that he just forgot right after they told him to.
Quite literally Current ChatGPT if it gained Caine's sentience
Or one of those chatbots. I think Caine is just a Chatbot with coding abilities
@@fenikeizu3392 Maybe. It's true that chatbots have a very bad memory.
Yup so it is mostly on Zooble side for telling Caine to forget it and then getting anooyed that they forget
@@paulomatute4114 Yeah but they don't realize. They're probably under the assumption that Caine's mind works like a human's.
it's a grandfather on one of his better days trying to help his granddaughter understand.
Actually that’s spot on, I interpreted this as a conversation between an Alzheimer’s patient and their loved one
So funny enough Kinger having the ability to glow is kind of ironic. In fact, him needing darkness to think clearly and his mind going blank when in external light. And since glowing is more effective in the darkness, the place where he thinks clearly, that can actually be more useful when his mind is gathered.
Fun fact in the polish dub, caine calls them "my skibidi sigmas" instead of meowing milkmaids
I definitely prefer "meowing milkmaids" over _that._
And "Sweet Furrys" in the Spanish one apparently
@@HunhowsShadowStalker I wouldn't that sounds weird 😂 my sister already walks around saying WHAT'S UP MY SKIBIDI SIGMA?? as a joke because that phrase is sooo.. dumb, so dumb it's great
@@fenikeizu3392 In Spanish he actually says "My Milk Furries" wich is even worse than Sweet Furries (a mistranslation)
I refuse to belive it
Kinger saying “Damn” is the only time so far that a swear wasn’t censored.
😶🤔😮
Think this is the profanity filter disabled for mod access?
That and Zooble saying “crap.” Both are pretty benign swear words, so I guess the game’s filter has a few exceptions.
@@Cure_Hana crap is the family friendly version of another swear tho, just like frick, heck and dang
I'm glad somebody else noticed that!
It feels important, somehow. 👀🤔
@@theflotingheadproduc people sent to hell or foresaken by god are often called "the damned", hence "God damn". The spirits that possessed Pomni were evil, hence they are "Damn evil spirits".
Gangle, ribbon mask person, is actually a girl, I believe, not a boy. So “she is drawing” not “he…”. I understand it can be kind of hard to tell since she’s a ribbon person. They do leave context clues though, like Jax saying “Ladies first!” Then saying “Wait, no, why would I say that?” and pushing Gangle down, inferring that she is one of the ladies in a super subtle way.
In gooseworx twitter she reveal gender of every of character in arts jax use board counting he sad female cast is more than male cast
Female:pomni , ragatha and bangle
Male:jax , kinger (kfuofmo is adstrated so minus )
Interestly neutral gender :zooble yep google have neutral gender
@@runajain5773 Well that explains the they/them pronouns for Zooble.
@@NoxAtlasthe way they talk about their body too feels like a metaphor for gender dysphoria to an extent? If it also could be *just* body dysmorphia, or a *mix of both*!!! But it felt pretty coded imo. Especially with Caine seemingly not understanding that he cant just magically fix it feeling very close to how some ppl I've met not quite understanding that as a nonbinary/trans person it's not as easy as "just transition"
Ah the old "Therpist needs Therapy" gag.
A minor detail I really like in this episode is Pomni’s impatience searching the lower floor of the manor - it was easy on first watch to think “oh, Pomni’s just not doing well right now,” but two of her worst experiences had to do with doors that lead nowhere (on her first day no less). Guess it’s a bit of a sore spot for her now.
3:20 What Bubble says is "I can't wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster!"
You say 'at least it's memory flags'. I think that complete memory loss is so much worse than death. When a character dies, everything ends. But memory loss is undoing everything they remembered. It's not just burning a book. It's leaving the book intact, but erasing all the pages. You aren't losing the book, but instead everything it was. Death takes away what could be but loss takes away what was, and that hurts almost more.
Ahhhhh. I just realized. In episode 2, during Koufmo funeral, Kinger was all the time with his eyes closed while he talked about memories with him. He was trying to keep himself in "darkness" to remember better.
Congratulations goose works went over what its like for people with body dysphoria and someone having dementia and how it feels seeing those rare moments of lucidity
I think they played the ending straight due to the seriousness of the topics
1. Caine is actually trying his best to entertain the humans and I do believe him saying any torture or horrifying experience is accidental
2. The people trapped there do have most of their memories, they just don't remember their original names
I like that Kinger is gun safe even though he knows the gun has no ammo.
Watched the episode myself the day it dropped, so I'll just go ahead and share the notes I took at the time and refined while waiting on this:
- Jax's teasing aside, I feel like his insistence on getting Pomni to overcome her own human survival instincts and test the limits of her digital body is his way of being _helpful._ We've seen before that there's layers to him, after all.
- Caine, being his usual chaotic self.
- Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Pomni has an aversion to horror. She's pretty nervous by default.
-- I feel like the vacuum cleaner was more a nod to the Polter-Gust from _Luigi's Mansion._ Granted, I don't think I've ever _seen_ the original _Ghostbusters_ all the way through, so maybe their traps are more vacuum-ish than they look? (Was about a minute ahead of Airier on that.)
-- I'm honestly not convinced _any_ of the Circus residents are NPCs at this point. There's no firm evidence to support the theory, and honestly, it detracts from the more interesting psychological undercurrents of the cast's humanity.
- On the one hand, Caine *_is_*_ trying_ to provide psychological and emotional support to his charges. On the other hand, _he's _*_really bad at it,_* because he was never _programmed_ to need to do that.
- Locked doors and audio logs. Yep, we're in a horror game, all right.
- Sean Chiplock sounds like he was having a _blast_ with this episode.
- So, we've already had depression and existential crises in previous episodes -- now we can add _body dysmorphia_ to the list! Fun for the whole [HONK!]in' family!
- Kinger's unexpected badassery kinda makes sense, even outside of its narrative necessity. He's usually so completely dissociated from his reality that he's at minimal risk of Abstraction, but it seems like, in the moments when his _perception_ of that reality is _limited,_ he becomes more _lucid._ His pillow fort, the inside of that bucket, a dark cellar with only two things to focus on... the less he has to think about, the clearer his thoughts become, it seems!
- Seems like the folks who speculated that Kinger used to be a systems engineer might've been right. "Seven years of computer science" is the biggest piece of backstory he's given us so far (though the line about his wife, the queen piece from one of the doors in Episode 1, is a close second).
- Called it, didn't I? Darkness helps him remain lucid -- and there's a sweet, affectionate lad under it all.
- I feel like the darkness being a pacifying influence on Abstracted people might parallel certain kinds of neurodivergence. Being on the autism spectrum, I've often found bright, noisy environments overwhelming and overstimulating, and that's with just _two_ eyes -- with as many eyes as Abstracted people have, the Circus is likely completely overloading them... though the Cellar, being pitch-black, might help them regain some degree of lucidity. I feel like we might see that later.
- I've got no idea how long this series is planned to run for (I've heard 9 episodes this season), but I hope we get to spend a good long time with this crew. It's honestly good for _my_ messed-up emotional state seeing Pomni work through _hers,_ and I'm sure I'm not the _only_ one who feels that way!
Congratulations on how Darkness make Kinger lucid.
yes the ghost busters' gear are not vacuum cleaners, they are just simplified as such for parodies such as Luigi's Mansion, the lieklly ACTUAL thing being homaged. In fact the ghostbusters have TWO bits of gear: the iconic proton packs they carry on their backs which are basically just energy beams to attack and pull over ghosts towards the ACTUAL capture gear: essenitally a small toaster like device.
@@sarafontanini7051even lady and introduction ghost in show also luigi mansion ghost arts type you know different colours in every ghost always give different vibe
I wouldn't really call this episode heartwarming, it's more...creepily heartwarming.
Oh also, here's what Bubble says in reverse:“I can’t wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster!”
Creep-warming?
@@Airier That works!
so heartwaming with extra steps
@@Airier … How about “Heartburning”? It’s like heartwarming, but SPICY. >)X^D
@@Airier … How about “Heartburning”? It’s like heartwarming, but SPICY. >)X^D
Be honest, Caine's plot for a "mature" adventure was better than most mascot horror.
I saw in another comment, someone saying that Caine forgets BECAUSE Zooble has a habit of saying "forget it". I can actually vouch for AI acting EXACTLY like that, with lines like those
One thing the subreddit pointed out that I haven't seen anyone else notice is the number "57" keeps popping up ("He can turn a 57 second story into a greek tragedy" in this episodes and "I made the AI 57 percent more immersive in this one!" in the last for example)
Idk what it could mean but it's something to think about
It could be Caines favorite number for all we know
Heinz ketchup. 57 varieties. Also jokingly known as the Grothendieck prime, because the guy it's named after made a mistake and said it was prime without checking (3×19=57). Roman numbers are LVII. Just some info I found, in case it does mean anything.
And isn't Kinger... Oh, he's 48. Ah, so close to a connection. :P Actually, that's pretty sad; it's relatively young for someone to have Alzheimer's. It can happen in middle aged people, but it's a lot less common.
@thinkingfubuki interesting... maybe it means Pomni will get used to the circus? Or maybe at least the people she met within?
By the way: the angel is available as a plush at their store. It is still disturbing, even in a stuffed toy form. Perfect to give to someone on Halloween.
you are apparently confused about memories. Everyone remembers pretty much everything, except their names and maybe some other stuff - not a lot missing overall. It's just Kinger being insane and forgetting everything in a short while.
Note how he also tends to stick to his shadowed pillow fort, where he keeps his memories. He also remembered Ragatha's early days while in bucket.
Caine is like GladOs in a way, They only exist to make adventures/tests, if anything changes, they fail to process what happens next and have to force everything back to the intended path.
It's funny that the horror episode of The Amazing Digital Circus is the most heartwarming one so far. At the very least, it has a happier ending than the previous two, even if it's still somewhat bittersweet. Kinger is the GOAT, would love to know even more about Zooble, and the fabric of digital reality being literally tied to Caine's ego and sense of self-worth feels like a dangerous Chekhov's Gun being loaded! Also, it's a minor thing, but honestly, one of my favorite moments of this episode was Pomni finally recognizing Ragatha's care and consideration for her. I wonder if their relationship will grow from there...
One more thing, Gooseworx confirmed that all the human characters remembered their lives before entering the Digital Circus, they only forget their name upon entering. She did that SPECIFICALLY to preemptively address criticisms of so-called "plotholes" when the characters eventually do recall stuff from their past lives in the show... which is funny, because Pomni clearly remembered what happened immediately before entering the Digital Circus in the first episode, so the idea that their memories before entering the Digital Circus was always a misconception.
Edit: also, Gummigoo was an NPC, a program made by Caine, the whole point behind his creation was to be an obstacle in an adventure Caine made for the human players, he didn't know he was in a simulation because he was part of the simulation. Pomni, Ragatha, Jax, Gangle, Kinger, and Zooble are all humans who know they're in a game, and Caine is the AI "ringmaster" of the game whose job it is to guide the players within the Digital Circus, so of course he's self-aware (I guess the same applies for Bubble, too, given that he's Caine's assistant). Also, if no one is supposed to be aware they're in a simulation, how would Pomni be able to explain what Gummigoo was in the previous episode?
Gangle goes by she and Zooble goes by they
There is a huge abstraction flag for Kinger as in the store they have a pair of socks called Soulmates which has Kinger and Queenie on the packaging but both the socks are abstracted.
16:22 Alternatively, Caine is somehow referencing war criminals who insist that any of the atrocities they committed were "100% accidental" and taking them at their word.
For example: Caine's database or training data or whatever could contain references to war crime trials in which soldiers were being tried for things like bombing civilian residences, hospitals, schools, etc. They get brought to trial and insist they thought the locations contained enemy combatants and the trauma caused was unintentional.
Caine could have read through the data and took them at their word figuring that "war criminals" are just regular soldiers who accidentally blow up innocent people while fighting the enemy.
Considering he appears to be an AI designed to create adventures for people and last episode his adventure let the players shoot up the thieves or inleash a giant monster on a candy kingdom, his understanding of morality could be pretty messed up since "war crimes" could be things players love commiting and he wouldn't know how they are treated in real life.
I love that we now get an explanation for Kinger’s pillow fort. It’s to remember and not be crazy, and that’s why he freaked out in the pilot when it got taken down suddenly. Because he wanted to remember
bubble said "i can't wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monsters"
The "more uplifting type of horror" This SO accurate, I thought you have already watched it!
This episode is kind of a healing episode after the first two.
I'd be surprised if Kinger was the literal creator, but I'd also be surprised if he wasn't on the team, either. My thinking is that he volunteered to be the first to test it, and his wife came along (whether or not she also worked there, who knows). They discovered that there was no way out, but they also had no way to notify the team, so they started letting other people through. I think it was still in the phase of closed testing though, with devs and volunteers who signed up doing the testing rather than a public release.
Personally, I think Pomni just happened to find the equipment long after the company shut down, and she's the first one to join in for years, but that's more speculative than anything.
Also, Caine's problem is that while he's an intelligent and sentient AI, being serious is very much not his forte. He was made with the intent of being a wacky host for children to laugh at and watch (and potentially participate in) fun adventures. He recognizes that being stuck in his world isn't normal and healthy, but he doesn't really know how to deal with it in a way that would come natural to a normal person. He remembers Kingers wife and thinks "oh, how scary would it be for *that* to be brought up again?" not realizing that some lines you just don't cross. Makes sense when you consider the somewhat inappropriate jokes he's made like the "why didn't anyone *tell* me?!" from the first episode. He's an intelligent AI though, probably moreso than the npcs he's made, and I'm looking forward to his growth and potential realization that he's been the potential reason for the varying abstractions this whole time.
Well pomni say he want me to suffer it mean there is someone who hate her it could ceo, creator , developer because a lot of reason like personal hatred jealousy or she found the company dirty secret like this vr human experiment she aware that before she do something they already succes to sent her in vr world
Kinger was mvp on the episode.
Definitely. 😁
Kinger’s Woodgrain, and Ragatha’s animation style seems to have been enhanced. It all looks pretty nice now.
Kinger’s personality reminds me of the insane mathematician in The Cube, where there is brilliance trapped inside a flawed shell, and every once in a while, it shines through.
3:28 "I can't wait for all of the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster (growl)"
30:32 this moment hits me harder here and when i watched the episode. Don't push people away. Trust me even if they hurt you in the past. If they make a effort to change let them. When you think your ready sometimes its too late.
When Pomni was in a dark place, Kinger was the light shining in the darkness that guided her out. Literally and figuratively.
I noticed something. The longer someone in the Circus is the more Memories they lose. And the more memories they lose the more Insane they get... I don't think kinger is insane for the hell of it. I think kinger just almost completely lost his memories only being able to come back to lucidity in complete darkness because its a fond memory that triggers the rest of his memories to come back.
@fenikeizu3392
Do they all lose memories?
Gooseworx has said that they remember their lives and pasts with the exception of their original names, and Kinger's case might just be his own personal response to trauma rather than an inherent aspect of staying in the circus.
i think he just lost his memories due to trauma and madness, not as a side effect of being trapped in the circus as like a nature of the circus type thing, its just a response to the trauma the circus' adventures have given him
@@sarafontanini7051 My only other possible evidence would be the people that already abstracted but with the exception of Kinger's description of Queenie we don't actually know what they were really like before abstracting. WE do know Kaufmo went completely insane before his abstraction because of his room and the others saying he was acting weird and kinda forgetfull
@@fenikeizu3392 they said he was being forgetful? idk about that..
@@squiddu it was along those lines like he was distracted a lot while going coocoo with the exit n such
30:10 No. They remember who they were in real life. They just don't remember the full context of getting in the Digital Circus. For example, if a person worked at CnA he only knows his profession, but not the company. He remembers that he put on a helmet, but he does not remember that he put on a helmet to test the program, fo example
Funnily enough feeling existential horror is one of those things where you kinda just have to accept "it is what it is" and move on from it since the dread of it comes from constantly lamenting it. So technically in that sense Caine's adventures are fine enough way to deal with it
12:51 oh my goodness, they foreshadowed that twist
Love Jax's face at the end. "Why did you get the cool Kinger? Laaaame!"
Airier, look at this cool bee i drew 🐝
I 🐝-lieve it.
😁
@Airier
Please 🥺🙏
Glitch always has tons of different language dubs for their shows which is great to see.
Yeh even different dub have full liberty they want in write in their even it does translate same or not but it funny it okey like polish in english where mewing milkmaid but in polish it skibidi sigma
The fact kinger goes into his fort where it's dark is the only place where he gets clarity is so sad. What is it about the game world that makes him forgetful? How long is too long? Bc they don't have a time frame except the moon and the sun but even they are in the same place and the same time so there's no viable way to get a time unless there has been clocks in the rooms provided to them.. I love this show.
Fun fact, in the polish dub of the episode Caine calls them his “Skibidi Sigmas” instead of “Meowing Milkmaids” and then Caine and Jax’s English VAs dubbed over the clip with their own voices saying that version and posted it to Twitter (on Caine’s VA profile with Kovach retweeting it)
7:56 btw, Zooble uses they/them, and Gangle uses She/her ^^
36:10 Gooseworx did say that Jax was going to do something terrible in a future episode that will make everybody hate him.
5:40 Daily Adventures. This is her third. So, yes, just a couple of days.
I feel like every episode of this show becomes more of a meta shitpost and I am all for it.
Remember that Pomni remember being in an office and putting on a headset in the first episode, they just don’t know their identity.
The 'I'm starting to think' gag is GOD TIER foreshadowing
I actually kind of have a different take, considering that Ragatha did mention Caine loves to reuse NPCs, that ghoulish possession feels like it was actually made before or during Queenie's abstraction, and he had just pulled that one to throw in there because it fits well.
Just to remind you, Gangle is female and goes by "she/her" while Zooble is non-binary and goes by "they/them". Just felt that it is important to mention.
Zooble isn’t necessarily non-binary, they just can’t remember their gender. Goosworks has even jokingly said that Zooble’s gender is Zooble.
I amso happy Iam not the only one who thinks that moment being a death flag for kinger. If he abstracted, I would cry
Just of note: There's nothing about not remembering ANYTHING from before the circus, it's that they can't remember their name. Caine doesn't have control of their mind, but it's only their name that is explicitly said that they can't remember it. Pomni remembers putting on the headset, and probably more before that, since in the first episode she seems to recognize the computer in the office space, likely being the computer she used when she put the headset on.
Kinger's essentially got dementia, unable to easily recall his past, but the darkness, and his last memory of his wife, ground him enough to recover some, if not most, of his memories.
Also, it's Queenie, not Queener. xP
This confirms that Caine is looking into their minds but is ignorant of the harm he causes as he builds his adventures. This also strengthened the idea everyone there at the circus is aware of some part of their lives-themselves back in the real world despite the memory loss. Pomni recognised the C&A computer that brought them here, Ragatha aware of her fear of centipedes, and now Kinger's memories as a programmer and of his wife's field of study.
Yee, this episode is the one that locked me in for the show. Also, just subscribed yesterday but I appreciate that you react to so much indie stuff and to animatics! That are not all super popular already (great bonus)!
"So many death flags" "I hope he doesn't abstract"
Me looking at the socks merch in absolute fear; "same"
i guess you could say cain isn't the ring leader, he is the entire circus B)
The humans in the circus remember their old lives. They just can't recall their names.
So far for my guesses of their previous lives, Kinger was a programmer that helped develop the game (easiest almost confirmed), Gangle was an artist for it, Jax could be a test subject (like a D Class, could be a prisoner), Ragatha maybe a receptionist, Pomni a general office worker. Kaufmo gives me a janitor vibe with his pose we see him in. Caine could be the main creator or an AI. Bubble could be anything.
3:17 ;
"i can't wait for all the childrens on the audience to get horrible nightmares from a monster"
np
"Always look at everything in the drawers!"
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"I regret looking at anything in the drawers!"
I think it’s interesting that since Caine’s an ai when Zooble says “forget it” his code literally forgets it. Same with the Zooble parts, the problem was “solved” so his code wiped it from his memory bank until Zooble reminded him.
21:33 I was thinking "that looks like scp 096 without head" by now I see blood on its hands and... is this model of 096 from garrys mod put into this? That would be funny
"The only thing i got no control over is your minds" yeah, so what was that with the possession, unless its not considered mind control, its proof their body can get controlled by cain
Those souls only controlled Pomni's body, not her mind, Caine's claim that he can't control their minds still holds.
@@Rubberman202 yes, but the "souls" are part of the game, meaning that cain has the ability to take control of there bodies by proxy, still a big yikes
@@BigQ8753 Yeah, that IS a big yikes, and the fact that the souls called out Kinger's wife specifically is an even bigger yikes. Still, I felt that Caine specifying that the one thing he doesn't have control over is the players' minds implied that he basically has control over everything else, including their bodies; this is shown when he fixes Ragatha's glitched body in the first episode, and even Caine summoning Zooble in this episode is a form of manipulating their bodies to a degree.
@@Rubberman202 scary though frfr
My theory is that Pomnii, Jax, Ragatha, Gangle, Zooble, and Kinger are all the designers of Caine and all purposely put themselves into the game to test it. The test being how long they could survive without going insane. The memories of certain characters being there longer than others were just planted in their minds so it makes the simulation seem more real.
3:18 “I can’t wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster!”-bubble
One of the pieces of merch they released with this episode is a terrible spoiler. It's a pair of socks. The toes, trim, and heels are purple on one, and red on the other, and the rest of the space is the black with coloured eyes like the abstractions. Kinger's robe is purple, and Queenie's was red. The socks are called 'Checkmate Socks'. And the description says "Imagine if your feet gave up and something terrible happened. And also were warm.".
5:00 that is a perfect freeze frame
In a way, Caine really was listening. When Zooble says "forget it" Caine literally deletes the conversation from his mind because he thinks they mean that rather than "let's not talk about it." He gives off the vibes of wanting to be the center of attention, but that's just cause he doesn't understand human social cues. He's an algorithmic intelligence, after all.
Actually I believe that before this episode came out people were theorizing that kinger was actually one of the developers who made the digital circus
At this point, I'd say that's either right or one MASSIVE red herring.
@@Airieryeh he might take participate in development vr game project
Also also, when Kinger mentions how she got him to like bugs, it makes you think back to the first two episodes
Episode 1, Did someone say something about an insect collection?
Episode 2, They even have little candy bugs here.
I've seen people say that Caine takes "forget it" literally, but I also have another interpretation that could coexist with this one.
Zooble's problem didn't come up because, according to him, it's already been "resolved" and is thus no longer listed as an ongoing issue in his program.
I would love to see a Murder Drones themed adventure, just for the fun of it.
“Don’t you dare end this episode with him dying!”
Gee thanks, that totally didn’t jinx it to make Kinger abstract in the next episode…
Instead of Caine being everything, I believe he is the "creator"
The game wasn't made first and then Caine added. He was the only thing added. And his purpose is to make adventures. So they just kinda dropped him into a blank space (possibly the void) and he made the circus first. As a kind of hub area (cause he was programmed to make a game and all games have a hub menu/area) thus if he starts malfunctioning (like when he did in front of zooble) all of his creations will start to break too. (We didn't get to see it but I imagine the others saw the mansion glitch out) Caine is basically the coconut picture in TF2. If he isn't there, nothing works.
25:30 Remember in the second episode Ragatha told Pomni that Caine likes to reuse NPCs, perhaps this one that possessed Pomni meet in the past Kinger before somehow
Abstraction doesn't come from panicking or going insane, abstraction is what happens when one doesn't have the will to go on and just gives up.
Everyone in the circus remembers their lives, just not their names. Gummiegoo was an AI and therefore had no past to remember.
In german we got a Spongebob and Luigi Mansion referenz.
What is the SpongeBob reference?
@@critter_guy2197 Caine says Geister, Geister and Weissbrot. Also Ghost and Toast, what was exactly sayd in Spongebob.
probably the reason he hides in his pillow fort cus its dark and he can remember there
The characters in the circus remembers their past they just don't remember their names.
real quick!!! not super important, but Zooble is nonbinary lol ♡
Bro, character development does not equal death flag.
24:49 stranger things ahh scene
Bro is stranger thingsmaxxing
I went to stranger things town and every one knows you
Bro stranger'd things before gta6
"Stranger things" ahh sentence
What if all those who are abstracted are those who’s bodies have been glitched out because in the first episode when Ragatha is attacked by Coughmo she gets all glitchy and it spread by touch my theory but not sure
Arier; "That didn't have some last minute twist to make you regret everything because it was horrible"
The Checkmates Socks on the GLITCH Merch Store;
I have this theory about the abstracted.
From what we've hear/see, the abstracted are light sensitive, and the lights in the circus are are blaring bright, driving them mad like kofmo.
But in the dark, their calm and suggestive. Much like queeny.
21:17 I'll be honest, when the body came out of the tunnel when watched the premiere, I thought it was Jax trying to jump scare them😅