Why Soda thinks consumables arent big deal? FAP is game changer, especially for warrior and druid. Worldbuffs and pots could increase warlock hp to 9k easily. Warrior is a beast under all buffs, so much capable of killing even in fury dual spec. Mana flask is OP for priests - dispel for days, could be enough even for mindless manaburn spam. Protection potions are busted against casters and you can even stack every type. Engineering is broken on every character except druids. And dont get me started on trinkets and gear pieces - MC and fireball hats to AGM and pocket watch, tidal charm, 5 different minions, skull of doom, medical pouch...
@@ivers1001 If priest will be able to use it. Druid should always be in frontline and mangle-charge-maul priest, while warlock coil warrior(coil cant be dispelled btw) and throw his spells into priest. Destrowarlock destroys priest in any spec 1x1 unless skill issue. As Savix mentioned in vanilla for warrior best partner is Paladin, not Priest, since you lose your potencial to burst down both of them and that would be more then enough for warrior to do his job.
Consumes aren't a big deal in this scenario because it only helps soda's argument, because it makes it *certain* that war/priest wins 100% of the time instead of 90%.
I love that Soda gives the Priest "Fearward" in Classic - that would mean that he can't be undead and "Fearward" can be dispelled by a Felhunter, so it wouldnt really matter since it has a 3 minute CD. I mean it would be hard for a Lock/Druid yes, but its definitly winnable.
@@ashketchum2205 spending the manaregg frame for a simple deny on a 1,5 sec cast is nothing you should actually do, but ofc u can do that, still u have a 3 min cd on fearward... Everything can be counter'd from everyone, somehow "LuL"
You can prep op it and have 2 uses of the spell before the fight starts. If there’s consumables you can root the pet as well. Priest can spam dispel all of the stuff that matters from warrior. Played hundreds of hours of world pvp with a warrior as a priest and warlocks literally just get one shot even thru pet sacrifice
You can prep op it and have 2 uses of the spell before the fight starts. If there’s consumables you can root the pet as well. Priest can spam dispel all of the stuff that matters from warrior. Played hundreds of hours of world pvp with a warrior as a priest and warlocks literally just get one shot even thru pet sacrifice
Fear ward or not Warlock Cant fear the priest under any circumstance . Warlock has no spell pushback protection so with a warrior slapin him all day there is no chance to do it, plus that its a 24 yard spell. Warlock druid will not win cause of fears but if they use their chain cc and dmg perfectly. focus priest: use Stun coil silence bash if u kill him u win if they resist or range u warrior will kill u. its simple realy, it can go either way but with no engi potions and stuff i favour Warrior priest to win. Btw diamond flask is dispelable , but kinda rng with so many buffs on the warrior
agreed. Its pure idiocracy we make people like this rich and famous, especially after they have devolved to the levels of this, asmond and so many more.
I would say who wins one duel is a bad idea. I would prefer to ask them how many times per 10 duels each comp can win. There could be an answer regarding many scenarios.
@@TheMorninGlory23 even though, i think he clearly overreacted. It was just a question of opinions and of course other peaple have diffrent opinions. Doesnt mean he has to react like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum. Which he did with payo xD
I think Sodapop just has one of those angry faces that's funny to laugh at. Which makes it super annoying for Soda. So it turns out to be this feedback loop of Soda screaming 'OMG! No it's not! While everybody laughs. a win, lose, win scenario. Thanks to the possibility of something happening. I don't watch sodapoppin. This comment was inspired by his intense focus while Payo is yapping in the background.
Bro classic has almost no cc dr, you can fear over and over and over while having full rows of dots and your pet beating the shit out of them and then when they finally resist/immune your fear you can death coil (can't trinket or immune that unless your a paladin with divine shield). Warlock can mana drain the priest. Meanwhile the resto druid can root the warrior if he gets immune to fear, stun him, can innervate himself, go bear form when targeted... Warlock/druid wins. Now if it was Warrior/hpal that would be different. And priest shielding the warrior actually cocks him, because while he has that shield on, he doesnt get rage from getting hit and we all know classic love to hate against melees, unlucky string of miss, dodge, parries can fuck a warrior rage. Warrior can't immune Death coil, so just get that out on him, fear the priest, warriors come out of Death coil, fear him, he use berserker rage to get out of it, druids root him, warlock keep spamming fear on the priest...
what odds? Snutz is one of the best players in the entire game playing arguable the most broken 1v1 class in the entire game. The odds were always in his favor. The odds were soo much in his favor that the first CDL they banned health stone and he still won because that is how broken locks are in a 1v1 setting.
@@kylesmith987He’s still on a different level from any warlock I’ve seen. 🤷♂️ Like he does all that while macroing pets and their movement at the same time. I’ve never seen his pet get frost nova’d.
@@chaosi17 Your absolutely right. I specifically said that he is one of the best players in the world. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of saying he constantly overcame the odds. This terminology doesn't really work here because the odds were always in his favor because of his skill and class that he played. He has never been the underdog in classic, he has always been the person to beat if you want a chance at winning.
dude sl warlock is literally the hero class in classic if the warr cant burst the warlock down with cds its over. just imagine the opener alone, druid punces the priest than feral charges the warrior. warr has to insta trinket or somehting to do anyhting lock can just put dots on anything and start spamm fearing the priest, if priest trinkets deathcoil. also the slow curse from warlock isnt dispellable from priest, also the bear charge and the priest can not "just dispell all cc and dots" he will oom himself way before the other team is oom dispell costs alot of mana in classic try dispelling 4 dots and ccs ur insta oom. also lock can just drain mana everytime the warr is in cc or somehting. id say if all players are really good druid/wl has prolly even a slight advantage, jusp because they get a really good opener for free and its kinda hard comming back from that. its funny how clueless soda is.
I cant understand why blizzard can implement arena in clasic wow, atleast make it the arena in the stranglethorn vale colisseum where ppl could try this types of fights, dont even have o be ranking like real arena or anything, jsut would be more interesting for players to come out with tournaments and stuff like that
@@jamesrobertson6205 I get that, i was just pulling up an idea of what blizzard could pull out and enforce some way to avoid that. If they dont want to put actuall arena
@@wolololer I would LOVE an arena mode in Classic. The best thing I've found is using the /wargame command. It requires a lot of people to use though and I haven't tried it in a long time.
18:00 Oh gosh. How can you post a dinner shot. Right now somebody's just slamming a free action potion. And all over your dinner too. Sorry I just watched Idiocracy for the 42nd time. Still not old.
if warlock can get curse of exhaustion off before the charge, keep distance, put corruption and fear. Bait warrior to use berserker rage to get off fear. Once BR is off (lock DL this whole time), death coil and immediately cast fear with berserker rage on CD and rely on priest to dispel with druid on his nuts. Regardless, warrior is getting distance and warlock can do some damage. would it be an easy fight, no. are lock/druid underdogs, yes. is it very possible to get the win, hell yeah.
The warlock needs to seduce the priest, after that its GG. The Warlock should win it on his own, even if its the warrior druid and priest vs Warlock, the lock still has a decent chance of winning.
20:00 There seems to be an awful lot of 'this is definitely not going to happen' kind of talk. Especially for something that's 'not going to happen'. Why else spend this much time focusing on such a interesting none interesting topic.
in classic they absolutely can. A warrior with reck would not only clobber the lock they would kill that lock in like 3 globals. There is nothing in the game with a damage peak higher then a warrior with reck active. There is a legit possibility that warrior just straight 1 taps the lock with an auto/MS on the same global and if both crit it could be 4k damage instantly.
In classic, where every warrior, in every tourney, dies to lock pops req seduced, (unbreakable w/o self damage for u) CoS /laugh Channel SB As SB travels sac succ Instant DC and Sburn with a 48% increase to your shadow damage Plus all the dots after with amplification Plus an insta VW for when you change in or another Duce to do it over again And this is w/o heals, w/o ss most locks not even in peak gear have 7-8 k health without any mitigation at all 4k is cute
@@kylesmith987 Imagine thinking the warrior would be able to do anything with reck up. Yeah if the lock/druid stand still the whole game and never use any cc then sure, the warrior could kill the warlock.
If any items are allowed the warrior priest still wins. Would play like this: >Either the lock or the druid rocket helms the priest >The warrior starts match with shadow protection potion already on >The warrior also pops resto pot to remove dots >Lock has armor elixer and lip but its not enough >Warrior rides lock until druid comes out stealth and then rocket helms druid >If lock nets warrior warrior spider belts or ornate boots >Lock dies
The warrior has even less of a chance in cata. locks get meta, druid gets tree. The lock is gonna get the warrior in combat with a pet and kite him the entire game, the chance of a warrior ever catching up to a lock is extremely low. And even if he does there's infinite cc chains that will be done outside the LOS of the priest.
@@kalamoudi Explain. Warriors legitimately cannot catch up to a warlock, even if the warlock is terrible and the warrior DOES catch up, he pops metamorph and the game is over. 600% armor buff plus 20% damage increase is a GG for the warrior. Google what Metamorphosis does, it's literally not even close.
@@chaosi17 Yes, warlocks were in one of their strongest states in cata. Metamorphosis is an OP ability if used correctly. I don't think people played competitively if they think a warrior of all classes stomps a warlock.
Soda is bad… there are pillars to los. The warrior HAS to chase to pillar. Meaning roots and fears WILL happen. Like I said.. if the lock is chanimal it’s gg
@@macmac6064 Snutz won the vanilla duel, Channimal just won EU Arena tournament. Warlock was and still is the best pvp class. The better class will be the factor with equal skill.
@@prisoner817 and what are you going to do after you CC priest? very slowly rot them from 100% to 60% HP before the CC ends? meanwhile you have the highest scaling class on your ass with a 50% healing reduction debuff and a 5 sec interrupt on a 10 sec cd, not to mention the spell pushback. with a healer spamming dispels there's literally nothing the warlock can do to kite the warrior. in fact i'm not even sure a priest would be the best pair because of curse of exhaustion.
How is the warrior ever gonna reach the lock? He can put the warrior in combat at the beginning of the game and kite him the entire game, the lock has tons of instant casts and never has to stop moving. If the warrior is kited and in combat the entire game he won't have any gap closers.
@@savage-6369 so let me get this straight. You as the warlock is going to stay at perfect range from the warrior with instant cast magic dots. All while the warrior is being supported by a priest. Is this the image we are painting? What dot is going to be ticking on the warrior? Priest can remove two dots at once. If the warlock stops to fear then the gap is closed. If the warlock uses Curse of exhaustion then no damage is happening. If the warlock usese Agony then its healed by renew. Where in your brain does the warrior priest lose this? It's built as a meta comp to deal with Lock / druid 2v2 in TBC.
@ Because you’re ignoring the druid. The druid is gonna be on the priest, he’ll either be out of the game or waste all of his mana dispelling, which isn’t a low cost btw. I guess you assume dispelling is a low cost spell and that the priest is gonna be free to chase the warrior all game. The warlock doesn’t need to fear, just continue to kite until the warrior flops over or the priest ooms himself dispelling. Corruption and agony are both instant casts and will do enough damage to the warrior as the warlock runs. Warlock’s mana far outlives the priest, their win con is stalling until the warrior dies or priest ooms, in which case the priest falls over to the 2vs1 because the warrior will be cc’d into next year. The warlock doesn’t even need to use exhaustion, the warrior has the same run speed as the warlock, if the warlock gets the warrior in combat at the start of the match with a pet and kites, the warrior can never catch up to the warlock.
People REALLY, REALLY underestimate druids. Druid lock was also meta in tbc… btw… did we forget cyclone /lifebloom in tbc lol…. It depends on the players, period.
Potting in duels has always been BM. Its basicly a concept taken from D2 duels. You are only allowed to mana pot (except if you are ES Sorc), because its seen as BM, and mana has a big limitation when trying to connect to your enemy and what not.
amphy: "You cant cleanse Curse of Tongues" Soda: "Oh i forgot about curse of tong-" Payo: "OH HEY SODA POPPP!!!"" Bro seriously payo is the funniest person ever
What yall noit taking in, is that he says on paper warrior and priest would win because how their class works against that class, not if you put like soni behind a warrior or snutz behind a lock, just an average player
Hmm, since it is 2v2 are we assuming arena which would mean TBC? Or are we assuming classic wow but with arena? If it's wow classic with arena, no major CD's such as soulstone or retaliation, I'd probably still bank on the Warlock and Druid combination. Warlock mostly counters priests until Wrath. Priest has fear ward or will of forsaken? Warlock can either eat it or wear them both down simultaneously with 2 cc's that still work on Priests. Most of the time in TBC in arena Warlock would beat that combination just simply because of silence and death coil. The warrior almost never got more than a renew and a shield on them before they die. Edit: Deathcoil isn't a fear but horror. This means it doesn't proc fear ward and goes through will of forsaken, it's also the main thing that shuts down priests. So they either blow their trinket on Death coil, which is a mistake, or they get shut down long enough for the Warlock to fear like normal. If warrior targets Warlock it's game over for their team as the druid get's to burst down the warrior for free due to fear and dots. Usually it ends one of two ways, Priest is dead from Warlock and druid died to a nearly dead Warrior, Warlock/Druid combo wins. The other way is Warlock dies after shutting down the priest, Warrior is dead from Druid and dots and the druid kills the weakened priest. I usually prefer a Shaman or Rogue over Druid in 2's but that was TBC. Also, no flasks were usable in arena.
Well thats not true...warlock didnt have the dmg to kill the warrior fast enough to not get any heals...priest can just go and hide behind pillar dispelling healing and drinking or even kill ur pet if u send it. And u stuck there slooooowly trying to do smth , you ll never gonna kill the warrior.
@@Admlostinwow I think you're forgetting that it's a 2v2, if Priest leaves, the Warrior dies in about 15 seconds and he isn't doing any damage. Priest returns without cd's and they get hard shut down. The warrior won't be able to do anything between the slows, fears and roots. Your strategy would just result in the warrior losing buffs and the Priest being hard shut out from the fight. Priest moves out to heal and they get cc'ed plus mana drained. Warrior returns to Priest for heals they will still be at a severe disadvantage. The Warrior/Priest cannot go to a battle of attrition as they lose that fight against CC's and mana drains. Also, Priests lose the mana drain fight against warlocks. It's shadow damage, so the Warlocks get their own shield against the Priests damage and with curse of tongues it's the Warlocks advantage for draining the mana pool first.
As a warlock main, and 2s with my buddy a druid. If i can live thru the warrior dmg, keep dots on and drain mana on priest. A priest with no mana is dead in the water. My best win was vs pally and priest doing this.
yeah but in classic you don't live through the warrior damage. If reck is allowed then you legit die in like 2 or 3 globals depending on if world buffs and consumes are allowed or not. You might live for a couple more globals if everything is allowed, if not your insta dead. You only hope is death coiling/void sac on the reck and then kiting in a way that the warrior never touches you for the entire duration of reck which is fairly unlikely especially with a priest dispelling him.
@@kylesmith987 Recklessness is a double edged sword. Any warlock worth their salt knows that death coil as a horror effect goes straight through anti-fear effects. From there, druid goes on priest and it's the warlock/druid win. Warlock can just curse of exhaustion and kite out the Warrior, even with a fap effect the Warrior would be fucked at that point. In the hands of good players with the extra's available in classic it truly could be anyone's game. Without the extra's, Warlock/Druid usually win the fight, there is just too much CC that Warlocks and Druids have available that counters both Priests and Warriors.
@@kylesmith987Cannot dispel curse of exhaus, curse of tongues on priest, cannot dispel mortal coil ( It’s horror and goes through fear effects). Fap can also be used by lock, not just warrior. Yall are really underestimating how much a warlock can do. ( plus double void ) edit: nothing say’s u can’t los during mak’gora. Actually most people pillar or los during mak’gora’s. 🤷♂️
yeah, but i dont get the logic, feel like every thing starts with "but if the warlock is snutz theeeeen-" yeah ofc if snutz vs an average warrior/priest the lock wins, snutz could beat average w/p as a lvl 13 defias pillager. But when we talk about war/priest/lock/drud all four players PERFECTLY identical skill on their respective classes the war priest just wins across any bracket no?
The Payo yapping was the cherry ontop of it all, and just gave a extra cherry ontop with Savix reaction and laugh. 10/10
I love how you called Payo wouldnt answer the question for so long 😂
soda has a superiority complex
soda is just that guy he's in the industry for far too long
Hes just being himself honestly
Soda has god complex, he have had it for some time 😂
Yeah thinking hes being seriously is hilarious😂
just because he mastered feral pvp in MoP he has a big ego from that.
So basically if they're equally skilled players going all out, then it can go either way. But if it's just 4 casuals dueling then warrior/priest wins
Why Soda thinks consumables arent big deal?
FAP is game changer, especially for warrior and druid.
Worldbuffs and pots could increase warlock hp to 9k easily. Warrior is a beast under all buffs, so much capable of killing even in fury dual spec.
Mana flask is OP for priests - dispel for days, could be enough even for mindless manaburn spam.
Protection potions are busted against casters and you can even stack every type.
Engineering is broken on every character except druids.
And dont get me started on trinkets and gear pieces - MC and fireball hats to AGM and pocket watch, tidal charm, 5 different minions, skull of doom, medical pouch...
Fap and all prot potions are dispellable by the priest, so they heavily favor one team over the other.
He's just mad that these other pvp players aren't immediately agreeing with him.
@@ivers1001 If priest will be able to use it. Druid should always be in frontline and mangle-charge-maul priest, while warlock coil warrior(coil cant be dispelled btw) and throw his spells into priest. Destrowarlock destroys priest in any spec 1x1 unless skill issue.
As Savix mentioned in vanilla for warrior best partner is Paladin, not Priest, since you lose your potencial to burst down both of them and that would be more then enough for warrior to do his job.
Consumes aren't a big deal in this scenario because it only helps soda's argument, because it makes it *certain* that war/priest wins 100% of the time instead of 90%.
@@Facesofpeanut it IS a big deal. Consumables and trinkets consists about 75% of your winrate in vanilla on any class in 1x1 and 2x2 duels.
You just cannot dislike Savix
Warr/priest should win, but druid/lock has opportunity to outplay. Those 2 classes have the highest skill ceiling in classic pvp IMO.
I love that Soda gives the Priest "Fearward" in Classic - that would mean that he can't be undead and "Fearward" can be dispelled by a Felhunter, so it wouldnt really matter since it has a 3 minute CD. I mean it would be hard for a Lock/Druid yes, but its definitly winnable.
since u cant choose what it dispells, how u gonna make sure to dispell the fearward lul, a good priest will just spam rank 1 renew on himself
@@ashketchum2205 spending the manaregg frame for a simple deny on a 1,5 sec cast is nothing you should actually do, but ofc u can do that, still u have a 3 min cd on fearward... Everything can be counter'd from everyone, somehow "LuL"
You can prep op it and have 2 uses of the spell before the fight starts. If there’s consumables you can root the pet as well. Priest can spam dispel all of the stuff that matters from warrior. Played hundreds of hours of world pvp with a warrior as a priest and warlocks literally just get one shot even thru pet sacrifice
You can prep op it and have 2 uses of the spell before the fight starts. If there’s consumables you can root the pet as well. Priest can spam dispel all of the stuff that matters from warrior. Played hundreds of hours of world pvp with a warrior as a priest and warlocks literally just get one shot even thru pet sacrifice
Fear ward or not Warlock Cant fear the priest under any circumstance . Warlock has no spell pushback protection so with a warrior slapin him all day there is no chance to do it, plus that its a 24 yard spell. Warlock druid will not win cause of fears but if they use their chain cc and dmg perfectly.
focus priest: use Stun coil silence bash if u kill him u win if they resist or range u warrior will kill u. its simple realy, it can go either way but with no engi potions and stuff i favour Warrior priest to win.
Btw diamond flask is dispelable , but kinda rng with so many buffs on the warrior
Soda is mad annoying lol
agreed. Its pure idiocracy we make people like this rich and famous, especially after they have devolved to the levels of this, asmond and so many more.
@@Obisons Putting Asmon and Soda on the same shelf is ridiculous. Asmon is clowning around for entertainment, soda is just the sad clown
@@alanedgarfillinpillin8880 agreed, as bad as asmon is somehow soda is even worse
Lets set it up Sonni/Hydra vs Snutz/Soda or any other druid.
any other druid please soda is just someone you could punch in the face and feel like you made a difference
@@JamesGreen-lr6go bro seek therapy man
@@m1lkbags dude guy bro man cuz friend homy no thanks im good
i'd actually pay to see that as a pvp event 🤣
Payo being a little ofc in the background just kills me lmfao
soda is the omega nerd
sodapoppin try not to have a massive superiority complex and a massive ego challenge (impossible)
Hello guys, can someone tell me which song is played from 3:55? Thank you!
this video turned into a fever dream when payo started yappin lmfaoo
He ruined my wow HC experience
I would say who wins one duel is a bad idea. I would prefer to ask them how many times per 10 duels each comp can win. There could be an answer regarding many scenarios.
I'm no longer interested in whatever the fuck Thomas has to say.
please don't call him Thomas, its weird.
Who's thomas?
@@itsyaboiherman soda's real name.
@@Akeche i thought it was chase or something
@@Akeche chance? Maybe?
Anyone remember Warlololock from original. That guy owned. Vids are on the tube
Potting was even frowned upon in lvl 19 Battlegrounds in vanilla.
Soda try not to be an asshole challenge
soda is kinda toxic no?
That’s what makes him great
I think it's a bit lol, but sometimes I can't tell xD
justified toxic most of the time imo
@@TheMorninGlory23 even though, i think he clearly overreacted. It was just a question of opinions and of course other peaple have diffrent opinions. Doesnt mean he has to react like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum. Which he did with payo xD
kinda?
Soda poppers is bad person
Whats that make you then😂? Some no one making youtube comments about him 🤭
I didn't know much about him besides his name.. watching him talk about his Only Fangs content made me not like him.
@@Odyssey636 good thing he has you to defend him
Pretty much anyone could watch just about any clip of him now days and come to the exact same conclusion.
I think Sodapop just has one of those angry faces that's funny to laugh at. Which makes it super annoying for Soda. So it turns out to be this feedback loop of Soda screaming 'OMG! No it's not! While everybody laughs. a win, lose, win scenario. Thanks to the possibility of something happening. I don't watch sodapoppin. This comment was inspired by his intense focus while Payo is yapping in the background.
Soda is such a pleb lol
Bro classic has almost no cc dr, you can fear over and over and over while having full rows of dots and your pet beating the shit out of them and then when they finally resist/immune your fear you can death coil (can't trinket or immune that unless your a paladin with divine shield). Warlock can mana drain the priest. Meanwhile the resto druid can root the warrior if he gets immune to fear, stun him, can innervate himself, go bear form when targeted... Warlock/druid wins. Now if it was Warrior/hpal that would be different. And priest shielding the warrior actually cocks him, because while he has that shield on, he doesnt get rage from getting hit and we all know classic love to hate against melees, unlucky string of miss, dodge, parries can fuck a warrior rage.
Warrior can't immune Death coil, so just get that out on him, fear the priest, warriors come out of Death coil, fear him, he use berserker rage to get out of it, druids root him, warlock keep spamming fear on the priest...
Snutz CONSTANTLY overcame the odds.
what odds? Snutz is one of the best players in the entire game playing arguable the most broken 1v1 class in the entire game. The odds were always in his favor. The odds were soo much in his favor that the first CDL they banned health stone and he still won because that is how broken locks are in a 1v1 setting.
@@kylesmith987He’s still on a different level from any warlock I’ve seen. 🤷♂️ Like he does all that while macroing pets and their movement at the same time. I’ve never seen his pet get frost nova’d.
@@chaosi17 Your absolutely right. I specifically said that he is one of the best players in the world. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of saying he constantly overcame the odds. This terminology doesn't really work here because the odds were always in his favor because of his skill and class that he played. He has never been the underdog in classic, he has always been the person to beat if you want a chance at winning.
Woot glad to see some Soda Savix content :D i am a fan of both of yall!
dude sl warlock is literally the hero class in classic if the warr cant burst the warlock down with cds its over. just imagine the opener alone, druid punces the priest than feral charges the warrior.
warr has to insta trinket or somehting to do anyhting lock can just put dots on anything and start spamm fearing the priest, if priest trinkets deathcoil.
also the slow curse from warlock isnt dispellable from priest, also the bear charge and the priest can not "just dispell all cc and dots" he will oom himself way before the other team is oom dispell costs alot of mana in classic try dispelling 4 dots and ccs ur insta oom. also lock can just drain mana everytime the warr is in cc or somehting. id say if all players are really good druid/wl has prolly even a slight advantage, jusp because they get a really good opener for free and its kinda hard comming back from that. its funny how clueless soda is.
Wish we had arena skirmishes for vanilla
Dispell while the priest is feared and then nuked
The short answer is, Chance is right. The longer and funnier answer is, he's still probably right, maybe if but only if...
I cant understand why blizzard can implement arena in clasic wow, atleast make it the arena in the stranglethorn vale colisseum where ppl could try this types of fights, dont even have o be ranking like real arena or anything, jsut would be more interesting for players to come out with tournaments and stuff like that
I've tried to host tournaments there but they get griefed unfortunately, people ignore the rules and just jump in and do whatever they want
@@jamesrobertson6205 I get that, i was just pulling up an idea of what blizzard could pull out and enforce some way to avoid that. If they dont want to put actuall arena
@@wolololer I would LOVE an arena mode in Classic. The best thing I've found is using the /wargame command. It requires a lot of people to use though and I haven't tried it in a long time.
18:00 Oh gosh. How can you post a dinner shot. Right now somebody's just slamming a free action potion. And all over your dinner too. Sorry I just watched Idiocracy for the 42nd time. Still not old.
if warlock can get curse of exhaustion off before the charge, keep distance, put corruption and fear. Bait warrior to use berserker rage to get off fear. Once BR is off (lock DL this whole time), death coil and immediately cast fear with berserker rage on CD and rely on priest to dispel with druid on his nuts. Regardless, warrior is getting distance and warlock can do some damage.
would it be an easy fight, no.
are lock/druid underdogs, yes.
is it very possible to get the win, hell yeah.
high end druid/lock wins after a long fight but most of the time they won't be very good so the priest /warr will win quickly.
Savix is completely wrong warrior/priest wins 99 times out of 100.
Potting during a Duel was BM in 2004 confirmed >:(
That dude sounds like he no longer have fun with the game. Typical wow player. Savix is also good but fun to watch and friendly
The only thing i learned from hardcore is that a lot of savix/xaryu viewers hate soda lmao
Warrior switches on Druid opener
I just saw sodas video on this😂😂
He‘s giving off cult leader vibes these days
The warlock needs to seduce the priest, after that its GG. The Warlock should win it on his own, even if its the warrior druid and priest vs Warlock, the lock still has a decent chance of winning.
20:00 There seems to be an awful lot of 'this is definitely not going to happen' kind of talk. Especially for something that's 'not going to happen'. Why else spend this much time focusing on such a interesting none interesting topic.
Warrior thinking they can clobber a SL lock, let alone WITH heals
in classic they absolutely can. A warrior with reck would not only clobber the lock they would kill that lock in like 3 globals. There is nothing in the game with a damage peak higher then a warrior with reck active. There is a legit possibility that warrior just straight 1 taps the lock with an auto/MS on the same global and if both crit it could be 4k damage instantly.
In classic, where every warrior, in every tourney, dies to lock
pops req
seduced, (unbreakable w/o self damage for u)
CoS
/laugh
Channel SB
As SB travels sac succ
Instant DC and Sburn with a
48% increase to your shadow damage
Plus all the dots after with amplification
Plus an insta VW for when you change in or another Duce to do it over again
And this is w/o heals, w/o ss
most locks not even in peak gear have 7-8 k health without any mitigation at all 4k is cute
@@kylesmith987 Imagine thinking the warrior would be able to do anything with reck up. Yeah if the lock/druid stand still the whole game and never use any cc then sure, the warrior could kill the warlock.
why didnt he ask xaryu?
because xaryu isnt good at classic pvp, hes a retail pvp gamer
druid without cyclone is just meh
Let me cringe this chat up by saying "first".
Second
If any items are allowed the warrior priest still wins. Would play like this:
>Either the lock or the druid rocket helms the priest
>The warrior starts match with shadow protection potion already on
>The warrior also pops resto pot to remove dots
>Lock has armor elixer and lip but its not enough
>Warrior rides lock until druid comes out stealth and then rocket helms druid
>If lock nets warrior warrior spider belts or ornate boots
>Lock dies
The question was referring to cataclysm arena. If you put same level warrior vs warlock, the warrior will win 95% of the time.
The warrior has even less of a chance in cata. locks get meta, druid gets tree. The lock is gonna get the warrior in combat with a pet and kite him the entire game, the chance of a warrior ever catching up to a lock is extremely low. And even if he does there's infinite cc chains that will be done outside the LOS of the priest.
@@savage-6369 Brother lock got very little chance to win that match-up.
@@kalamoudi Explain. Warriors legitimately cannot catch up to a warlock, even if the warlock is terrible and the warrior DOES catch up, he pops metamorph and the game is over.
600% armor buff plus 20% damage increase is a GG for the warrior. Google what Metamorphosis does, it's literally not even close.
Notice how chanimal keeps winning…
@@chaosi17 Yes, warlocks were in one of their strongest states in cata. Metamorphosis is an OP ability if used correctly. I don't think people played competitively if they think a warrior of all classes stomps a warlock.
Super easy win for warrior/priest.
La mak'gorah my little man ?
Soda is bad… there are pillars to los. The warrior HAS to chase to pillar. Meaning roots and fears WILL happen. Like I said.. if the lock is chanimal it’s gg
warrior can LOS fear and root and then charge
@@macmac6064 Snutz won the vanilla duel, Channimal just won EU Arena tournament. Warlock was and still is the best pvp class. The better class will be the factor with equal skill.
Only has a few R1 titles from when the game was at its competitive peak... Definitely bad...
@@ApolloCondor link?
@@ApolloCondorain’t no way u bringing up the low level tournament that relied on arcanite dragonling and limited time event summons 😂
DRUID IS ALWAYS GREEEEEN! ♥️ resto frw ♥️
still wanna see ziqo 1v1 with xar
Soda just looking for yes men, and gets literally mad when Savix and pve hero ampy weigh in both sides rofl.
i used to play warlock in TBC.
if you go against a warrior/healer there's actually nothing you can do besides slowly lose.
Well its classic not TBC. So consumes change alot but id still agree lock loses the matchup
@@DMsubble you're right, it's classic instead of TBC, so there's even less you can do besides slowly lose.
They have some options to cc priest, especially in an items allowed classic duel. The druid could do it by themselves.
@@prisoner817 and what are you going to do after you CC priest? very slowly rot them from 100% to 60% HP before the CC ends?
meanwhile you have the highest scaling class on your ass with a 50% healing reduction debuff and a 5 sec interrupt on a 10 sec cd, not to mention the spell pushback.
with a healer spamming dispels there's literally nothing the warlock can do to kite the warrior. in fact i'm not even sure a priest would be the best pair because of curse of exhaustion.
@BattousaiHBr lol no root the warrior and hard cast destro spells on him dude 🤣 this is classic why would you be "rotting" him
Payo is the best what a legend
alot of hate for soda here hahaha
why does it matter who asked the question bro? ^^ thats kinda slimy ngl , reminds me of old days in school lol didnt expect savix beeing such a dude^^
Warrior/ preist wins this. Heck even in TBC id take warrior/priest. Just give the warrior full pve gear.
you did not eat with this one
How is the warrior ever gonna reach the lock? He can put the warrior in combat at the beginning of the game and kite him the entire game, the lock has tons of instant casts and never has to stop moving. If the warrior is kited and in combat the entire game he won't have any gap closers.
@@savage-6369 so let me get this straight. You as the warlock is going to stay at perfect range from the warrior with instant cast magic dots. All while the warrior is being supported by a priest. Is this the image we are painting?
What dot is going to be ticking on the warrior? Priest can remove two dots at once. If the warlock stops to fear then the gap is closed. If the warlock uses Curse of exhaustion then no damage is happening. If the warlock usese Agony then its healed by renew. Where in your brain does the warrior priest lose this? It's built as a meta comp to deal with Lock / druid 2v2 in TBC.
@ Because you’re ignoring the druid. The druid is gonna be on the priest, he’ll either be out of the game or waste all of his mana dispelling, which isn’t a low cost btw. I guess you assume dispelling is a low cost spell and that the priest is gonna be free to chase the warrior all game.
The warlock doesn’t need to fear, just continue to kite until the warrior flops over or the priest ooms himself dispelling. Corruption and agony are both instant casts and will do enough damage to the warrior as the warlock runs. Warlock’s mana far outlives the priest, their win con is stalling until the warrior dies or priest ooms, in which case the priest falls over to the 2vs1 because the warrior will be cc’d into next year.
The warlock doesn’t even need to use exhaustion, the warrior has the same run speed as the warlock, if the warlock gets the warrior in combat at the start of the match with a pet and kites, the warrior can never catch up to the warlock.
People REALLY, REALLY underestimate druids. Druid lock was also meta in tbc… btw… did we forget cyclone /lifebloom in tbc lol…. It depends on the players, period.
Uuh... Being normal human is over rated.🤓
Potting in duels has always been BM. Its basicly a concept taken from D2 duels. You are only allowed to mana pot (except if you are ES Sorc), because its seen as BM, and mana has a big limitation when trying to connect to your enemy and what not.
Soda the meany hahahh
Payo doesn't know if you can dispell soul link or not? That is surprising. But actually i dont think he plays any class with offensive dispell.
What is sodas classic experience? He was peek tbc wotlk? What classic pvp experience does he have?
Omg so beautiful cat i am fallen in love with it savix, what is its name?
amphy: "You cant cleanse Curse of Tongues"
Soda: "Oh i forgot about curse of tong-"
Payo: "OH HEY SODA POPPP!!!""
Bro seriously payo is the funniest person ever
chatgpt thinks without consumables that warlock/druid have the advantage. Which you would obviously not use in a Mak'gora.
What are you talking about? If it's your last fight your going to use every consumable imaginable, why wouldnt you?
What yall noit taking in, is that he says on paper warrior and priest would win because how their class works against that class, not if you put like soni behind a warrior or snutz behind a lock, just an average player
Hmm, since it is 2v2 are we assuming arena which would mean TBC? Or are we assuming classic wow but with arena? If it's wow classic with arena, no major CD's such as soulstone or retaliation, I'd probably still bank on the Warlock and Druid combination. Warlock mostly counters priests until Wrath. Priest has fear ward or will of forsaken? Warlock can either eat it or wear them both down simultaneously with 2 cc's that still work on Priests. Most of the time in TBC in arena Warlock would beat that combination just simply because of silence and death coil. The warrior almost never got more than a renew and a shield on them before they die.
Edit: Deathcoil isn't a fear but horror. This means it doesn't proc fear ward and goes through will of forsaken, it's also the main thing that shuts down priests. So they either blow their trinket on Death coil, which is a mistake, or they get shut down long enough for the Warlock to fear like normal. If warrior targets Warlock it's game over for their team as the druid get's to burst down the warrior for free due to fear and dots. Usually it ends one of two ways, Priest is dead from Warlock and druid died to a nearly dead Warrior, Warlock/Druid combo wins. The other way is Warlock dies after shutting down the priest, Warrior is dead from Druid and dots and the druid kills the weakened priest. I usually prefer a Shaman or Rogue over Druid in 2's but that was TBC. Also, no flasks were usable in arena.
Well thats not true...warlock didnt have the dmg to kill the warrior fast enough to not get any heals...priest can just go and hide behind pillar dispelling healing and drinking or even kill ur pet if u send it.
And u stuck there slooooowly trying to do smth , you ll never gonna kill the warrior.
@@Admlostinwow I think you're forgetting that it's a 2v2, if Priest leaves, the Warrior dies in about 15 seconds and he isn't doing any damage. Priest returns without cd's and they get hard shut down. The warrior won't be able to do anything between the slows, fears and roots. Your strategy would just result in the warrior losing buffs and the Priest being hard shut out from the fight. Priest moves out to heal and they get cc'ed plus mana drained. Warrior returns to Priest for heals they will still be at a severe disadvantage. The Warrior/Priest cannot go to a battle of attrition as they lose that fight against CC's and mana drains. Also, Priests lose the mana drain fight against warlocks. It's shadow damage, so the Warlocks get their own shield against the Priests damage and with curse of tongues it's the Warlocks advantage for draining the mana pool first.
As a warlock main, and 2s with my buddy a druid. If i can live thru the warrior dmg, keep dots on and drain mana on priest. A priest with no mana is dead in the water. My best win was vs pally and priest doing this.
yeah but in classic you don't live through the warrior damage. If reck is allowed then you legit die in like 2 or 3 globals depending on if world buffs and consumes are allowed or not. You might live for a couple more globals if everything is allowed, if not your insta dead. You only hope is death coiling/void sac on the reck and then kiting in a way that the warrior never touches you for the entire duration of reck which is fairly unlikely especially with a priest dispelling him.
@@kylesmith987 Recklessness is a double edged sword. Any warlock worth their salt knows that death coil as a horror effect goes straight through anti-fear effects. From there, druid goes on priest and it's the warlock/druid win. Warlock can just curse of exhaustion and kite out the Warrior, even with a fap effect the Warrior would be fucked at that point. In the hands of good players with the extra's available in classic it truly could be anyone's game. Without the extra's, Warlock/Druid usually win the fight, there is just too much CC that Warlocks and Druids have available that counters both Priests and Warriors.
@@kylesmith987Cannot dispel curse of exhaus, curse of tongues on priest, cannot dispel mortal coil ( It’s horror and goes through fear effects). Fap can also be used by lock, not just warrior. Yall are really underestimating how much a warlock can do. ( plus double void ) edit: nothing say’s u can’t los during mak’gora. Actually most people pillar or los during mak’gora’s. 🤷♂️
poor payo hahahaha
savix stream earlier so my australian ass can watch u - also great video xx
Payo RIP
yeah, but i dont get the logic, feel like every thing starts with "but if the warlock is snutz theeeeen-" yeah ofc if snutz vs an average warrior/priest the lock wins, snutz could beat average w/p as a lvl 13 defias pillager. But when we talk about war/priest/lock/drud all four players PERFECTLY identical skill on their respective classes the war priest just wins across any bracket no?
Wait did soda get married? I just noticed the ring
i don't think they've gotten married but hes been with Vei for a while now
There’s no pots and shit he said 2s arena which is no consumes just enchants 🤦🏾♂️
Warlock druid 100 percent soda mad he not right that's his personality
curse of tongues wins that single handedly lol
priest doesn't cast anything that isn't instant so no lol
Lock isn’t going to be able to do anything besides that and Druid is oom healing lock getting trained by warrior
1st
Be more like Sodapoppin, and not a fence-sitting soyboy like basically EVERYONE ELSE.