What happens when you play LEGENDARY like VERY HARD difficulty?

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  • An experiment of sorts to see if Legendary is really that much harder than Very Hard in Total War: Warhammer 3. I'll attempt to do the same thing in both campaigns and see how it plays out. Wurrzag investigates.
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  • @arkorat3239
    @arkorat3239 ปีที่แล้ว +1114

    I wish total war had scaling difficulty. Seems like most campaigns are really hard at the beginning, and easy as pie towards the end.

    • @cosmicowl42069
      @cosmicowl42069 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      You can change it during the campaign or set early end crisis timer

    • @revolverclassic8248
      @revolverclassic8248 ปีที่แล้ว +111

      @@cosmicowl42069 I wish that end-game crisis's weren't the only difficulty in the mid to late game. Give us some civil wars like older Total War games

    • @garrapto3009
      @garrapto3009 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      ​@@revolverclassic8248 the main difference with 2 and late game difficulty, is the fact of the no LL factions confederations, which make some of the orders hyper empires to never forge.
      I remember DE getting all confederated under Malekith really fast and will all the black arks they're just an almost unstoppable force.

    • @ValiduzZ
      @ValiduzZ ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That goes for all the Total War games. Not tied to any campaign per say.
      Its just that once you can get enough armies to properly take and defend territory at the same time it snowballs far faster than the AI can handle it.

    • @brianlevor6295
      @brianlevor6295 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      My first Chorf campaign with Zhlatan (on VH) I got DOWd around turn 100 by a giant Order alliance (Thorgrim, Ungrim, Karl, Gelt, Louen, Kislev.) They sent literal streams of dozens of stacks at me. I had never seen anything like this in WH3, I thought they must have drastically changed campaign AI for 3.0

  • @cosmicowl42069
    @cosmicowl42069 ปีที่แล้ว +672

    8:23 You're probably getting attrition from Malagor the Dark Omen's casualty replenishment passive ability.

    • @travisspicer5514
      @travisspicer5514 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That is my thought, that being said I have seen other posts about random attrition. Hasn't happened to me though.

    • @MasterMegaManX
      @MasterMegaManX ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It should say what the attrition is from on the very bottom left hand corner when you have a city selected. Their are little icons that you can hover you mouse over to check province status effects.

    • @kodiakjak1
      @kodiakjak1 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I believe malagor causes province wide attrition while raiding.

    • @bulwarg5624
      @bulwarg5624 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@kodiakjak1 Thats Morghur ^^

    • @kodiakjak1
      @kodiakjak1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@bulwarg5624 totally right, I had them confused

  • @denisic96
    @denisic96 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    So, 2 first painful things you had were pure luck)
    1. Malagor causes attrition on entire province, not region, so he probably decided to raid you.
    2. Plagues are him too, he probably popped a building for plagues instead of the other one

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  ปีที่แล้ว +82

      1. That wouldn't explain how when I walked into Stonemine Tower region, I didn't get attrition even though it's in the same province. But... probably was him.
      2. Sure. The point is he very kindly didn't do it in VH.

    • @denisic96
      @denisic96 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Zerkovich hmm true about 1. There's an attrition event icon in the first region settlement but it's hard to tell what specifically. Maybe an event, idk, and if yes, if it's a higher chance of event on legendary

    • @Indolthir
      @Indolthir ปีที่แล้ว

      How does Malagor causes attrition like this?

    • @sympunny8636
      @sympunny8636 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I agree with the plagues. However the attrition isn't to do with his raiding stance, as only one beastmen causes attrition through raiding and it's morghur not malagor. Plus this only affects the local region, not province. Malagor can stop enemy replenishment in the local province, however this shouldn't cause attrition, this should just stop replenishment itself.

    • @TeamCountdownMisile
      @TeamCountdownMisile ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The reason it disappeared is because he was most likely only passning through om hos way to Mourkain which ge starts off at war with.

  • @shiggydiggy6847
    @shiggydiggy6847 ปีที่แล้ว +477

    I'm generally not a fan of how difficulty is implemented in Total War. For the most the enemy is a dumbass on all difficulties, but they just get free units and stats on higher difficulties along with increased player bias. Then you have to react strategies that minimize unit losses, which usually means spamming ranged units and running around with a caster character that nukes enemy armies by itself.

    • @foughtthelol
      @foughtthelol ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Ikko Ikki legendary for me in Shogun 2. Enemy sends doomstacks to my capital, I defeat them in siege defense, after some turns they return with more armies and repeat. Got so boring I stopped the campaign when I was hoping my enemies would give me glorious final stand.

    • @akkoismydaughter3573
      @akkoismydaughter3573 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's common for difficulty in video games rarely would the AI actually just be better and not just have ten times the stats

    • @testwordz
      @testwordz ปีที่แล้ว +5

      there are mods that give armies restrictions to unit types (or type+tier). this forces armies to have a more balanced spread of units with less elite units as well. this also applies to the AI. while this obviously doesnt fix how poor the AI is at making decisions at least it does add more variety to units being used, which tend to make campaigns remain fun to play for longer (i still rarely complete one as it gets boring in late game).

    • @MutedAggression
      @MutedAggression ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I agree. The tactics you have to use to mitigate the AI cheats on Legendary creates a whole new style of play that I find boring.

    • @dreadedTanker3173
      @dreadedTanker3173 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A game I play called Gates of Hell does this and it's so annoying. They're making Ai changes to it that are actually good. But the AI is so brain-dead, and the only way they're difficult is when they can spam units. In conquest (practically same as this) you'll have panzerjagers while they have T34's even KVs have shown up before I even got close to a panzer on harder difficulties. Not fun imo, and I strive for difficult games sometimes.

  • @ubaldoblanco7199
    @ubaldoblanco7199 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    The Shaun of the dead reference was amazing. Bravo sir.

  • @darkyoung
    @darkyoung ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Forest gobbos attacked and killed the smaller Barak Varr settlement at 5:53 explains why it had no army and was not taken as they dont expand

  • @VorondiI
    @VorondiI ปีที่แล้ว +123

    5:52
    The settlement probably got attacked and sacked (but not occupied). The replenishment of the settlement happens at the start of the turn of it's owner, so there was no garrison there yet.

    • @detorrV2
      @detorrV2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yours happens at the start of your turn. The AI replenishes at the end of its turn, at least in Legendary but iirc in very hard too.

    • @VorondiI
      @VorondiI ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @detorr V2 You may be right, that the replenishment happens at the end of the AI's turn. In that case, the attackers (most likely the forest gobbos) had their turn after the dwarves.

  • @Sund4nc3
    @Sund4nc3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    after playing a lot of coop with a friend of mine i think this game was meant to be played like that. we had some amazing legendary campaigns and they played out almost like an RPG with the most intense battles you can imagine, hanging by the thread and being broke for most of the time and having a blast with impossible comebacks. try coop if you can and you wont look at this game the same way again

    • @johnsnow5125
      @johnsnow5125 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I concur, co-op is a far superior experience

    • @BloodHassassin
      @BloodHassassin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you start in neighbouring areas or pretty far away? How do you determine who gets the settlements and resources?

    • @Majestic_Dwarves
      @Majestic_Dwarves ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Co-op is the best

    • @Sund4nc3
      @Sund4nc3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BloodHassassin we always played neighbours from same species. as for resources, dont be selfish and then you will be fine

    • @torch1028
      @torch1028 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I like head to head better
      You get to kill eachother with strange ai armies

  • @Frubs97
    @Frubs97 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    You should do videos of entire campaigns edited and commented like this, i cant watch hours and hours for a campaign but a 20/30 min video of a campaign would be awesome!

  • @JayvH
    @JayvH ปีที่แล้ว +47

    8:26 you get chaos attrition from a Beastmen herdstone. Look at the skull in the lower left corner of the province overview. I currently play a Reikland campaign where Khazrak occupied Eilhart and setup a headstone. Although I destroyed it, chaos attrition stayed there for over 100 turns now. I'm playing on Legendary, but this also seems to be a bug.

    • @dangerouslycheezy5429
      @dangerouslycheezy5429 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      did you take away all the chaos corruption? iirc you need heroes n lords /' buildings to clean up the land

    • @JayvH
      @JayvH ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dangerouslycheezy5429 Yes all corruptions were down to zero. It is still there about 130 turns later. Also got a vampiric revolt at Carroburg despite no corruption 🤔

    • @jackobn.m.g.4806
      @jackobn.m.g.4806 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I Had the same problem while playing tomb kings, its bugged i think, destroyed the heardstone, no corruption and it lasted forever. For some reason it only appears in player regions, until you capture the AI settlement i doesnt spread there

  • @fosteredlol
    @fosteredlol ปีที่แล้ว +22

    You should send it in to Legend for his "Saving your disaster campaign" series

  • @simoncodrington
    @simoncodrington ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great format for this video mate, really keen to see more stuff like this

  • @freedomfighter22222
    @freedomfighter22222 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    13:50 Spite Backbiter is dead, he and Barak Varr fought each other as their armies are both gone.
    Edit: the province effects are listed in the bottom left under the corruption part when you have a settlement selected, if you still got the save maybe you can check the attrition icon there to see where it is coming from?

  • @jasoncreamer5747
    @jasoncreamer5747 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Its important to keep your power ranking high in Legendary. Auto resolve too much and your armies become so weak that all your neighbors will declare war on you.

    • @aputin654
      @aputin654 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      chain war decs after a walled siege auto gg legendary campaign

  • @Sir_Mantics
    @Sir_Mantics ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for making this vid Zerk. I personally like the challenge of legendary, but it makes me feel less like I suck for restarting a campaign a few times to get a feel for the critical errors before really diving in.

  • @martinbega6369
    @martinbega6369 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That magic attrion was malagor's plague

  • @michael_7344
    @michael_7344 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very nice video, was a good showcase of the difference

  • @pekkasalmela1063
    @pekkasalmela1063 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, had a lot fun watching it!

  • @SHAADZJEE
    @SHAADZJEE ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:10 Province effects, bottom left - looks like beastmen are causing the chaos attrition.

  • @TeamCountdownMisile
    @TeamCountdownMisile ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @Zerkovich Playing as Skarbrand i noticed that i got prevented from replenishing my troops although i shouldve been able to replenish anywhere. Trying to figure out why, i noticed that the reason was that Malagor The Dark Omen was in the same region as me. Because when i left The region i were able to replenish once more, until Malagor followed me to the same region once again preventing it. Heres to the main point, Malagor lives just south of Wurzag. This thing that happened me mightve affected you in ur campaign was Wurzag but with a slight twist. Since i was a Chaos action and thus immune to Chaos corruption it just prevented replenishment for me but since Wurzag does not havet that immunity it mightve caused you to take Chaos attrition. Now the reason you mightve not seen Malagor is possibly since ge was either in hidden encampent stance or hidden beast path stance. Malagor usually moves through Wurzags territory to reach Mourkain south east of Wurzags territory as it is surrounded by swamp lands. Hope this info and theory helps. Peace and thanks for your Nice videos and work.

  • @SebScreen
    @SebScreen ปีที่แล้ว

    Hot fuzz reference was gold!

  • @quinnespino3750
    @quinnespino3750 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    absolutely love Legendary and the challenge sometimes, can really crack your mind from time to time but i like it. limitation to saves and being punished for even the small mistakes

    • @DrRipper19
      @DrRipper19 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I love doing little legendary campaigns to see how far I can get without floundering. A good amount of the time I end up straggling behind in terms of settlement and army tiers and can't make much more progress, and give up. Simply the fact that I can fail some of the time is exciting.

    • @tylerw2841
      @tylerw2841 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve had L/VH campaign with imrik where I lost every settlement but the confederation I got from caledor… but Imrik is powerful that he just beat back every army sent at me… eventually took back all my land and controlled all the dark lands by turn 110 my fav campaign to date. Cause I felt like i might actually loose… I almost threw in the towel but I’m glad I didn’t. (This was before chaos dwarfs) interested to see how it might go now.

    • @Vanadium
      @Vanadium 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really dont like the Legendary campaigns because buildings that would otherwise give attrition to enemy armies do nothing. This is so absurd because you lose a fuck ton to the same thing. I really hate those fucking cheats. AC should have made a better AI for real and not those cheap tricks.

  • @starcow17
    @starcow17 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are one of the funniest youtubers I have listened to. Always a highlight in my day off.

  • @Sh1snoShooter
    @Sh1snoShooter ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Malagor was probably in your province. That would be my guess for the attrition.

  • @TheGreatMoonFrog
    @TheGreatMoonFrog ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've played so many GS campaigns I pretty much have to play Legendary to not get bored, but Very Hard is what I use when I play...basically any other race. I'll always remember my Grimgor legendary campaign in WH2 when I expanded all the way to pigbarter. Suddenly the dwarves attacked and invaded almost to pigbarter. I only had grimgor's stack and one province and I had to slowly push them back. I felt like a salmon trying to swim upriver. Every stack I killed would spawn 2 more just beyond the fog of war. Felt great tbh.

  • @youwantsomeofme
    @youwantsomeofme ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Any difficulty ends up becoming a steamroll at the end. I hardly ever finish campaigns

    • @blee04524
      @blee04524 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup wonder if they’ll ever fix this endgame issue

    • @marcgw496
      @marcgw496 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@blee04524their “fix” is the endgame scenarios lol

    • @KnightOfTheEmpire
      @KnightOfTheEmpire ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's a mod that increases unit upkeep a lot if you have too many tier1 units in your army. So you can't have uber powerful armies even in late game.

    • @XXLPIakat
      @XXLPIakat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, my campaigns also rarely end, because there is a point where multiple factions decide to attack me at once and I get to experience the real endtimes experience.

    • @H4FF
      @H4FF ปีที่แล้ว

      I have never finished a single "sandbox" campaign.

  • @masonorder933
    @masonorder933 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Smash bonky smash smash”. - Zerkovich

  • @stevecatpatrick8056
    @stevecatpatrick8056 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing that I feel is slept on with kugath and nurglings is how it's easy to ally with either the chaos dwarfs or the skaven In his campaign.
    I'm just finishing up his campaign now and had a lot of fun with combining those races insane range units and using the nurglings like skaven slaves. A couple plague wind mortars or hell cannons really helped nullify the enemies ranged advantage because it forced them to come to me. Chaos blunderbuses+ 2 nurglings to cover them shredded units that try to engage. Warpfire throwers and death globe bombardiers/Poison wind devastated whatever was attacking my lines. Basically allowed me to run nurgling's all game, used heroes as my cavalry on chariots and rot flies, and pretty much didn't need codes or plague bearers

  • @brianlevor6295
    @brianlevor6295 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would def watch more L vs VH campaign comparisons. I only play VH bc I won't give up the pause.

  • @thijs541
    @thijs541 ปีที่แล้ว

    this the best how to play wurzag Ive seen so thaNK YOU FOR THAT

  • @chrisbergonzi7977
    @chrisbergonzi7977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved the "Sean of the Dead" referance....

  • @anoriolkoyt
    @anoriolkoyt ปีที่แล้ว

    one of your best videos yet!

  • @abbald
    @abbald ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cool comparison.
    When i play it is like "Very Hard" and "Hard" for me. In Hard everything works fine, but in Very Hard the enemy is spamming so much army's, so i can't compete with them.
    I hate that the difficulty kinda is always nerfing yourself.
    I like to have heavy opponents, but it sucks, when you don't have money to beat them. So i would like to have more constume difficulty settings.

  • @roberturlaub8526
    @roberturlaub8526 ปีที่แล้ว

    the shaun of the dead reference was damn well placed bro

  • @Lones555
    @Lones555 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can get a much stronger campaign start with Wurrzag if you attack the first army but then retreat before the battle, that moves you out of their zone of control and then you can go straight for Dragonhorn Mines on turn 1 before the faction leader has managed to build any units and take that city, thus gaining the factions settlements via confederation AND the 1st army you would normally fight is yours and undamaged.

    • @bighoss1860
      @bighoss1860 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also you can ignore stonemine tower instead of bothering with scabby eye just yet and kill the ogres, kill their camp and run straight over to iron rock and the scabby eye leader should be there, sometimes but not always he will beat the skaven there and you can kill him for confed. It doesnt matter if he doesnt win youll just have to confed him later, but after you take iron rock you can jump straight to Karaz-a-karak which should be empty, and then take it because thorgrim is dealing with skarsnik.
      I don't think zerk was going for a strong start anyway though, he wasted a few turns sieging barak varr instead of just attacking and taking it. Which only gives the other AI factions time to build up. He was also recruiting orc boyz over goblins, as much as i love orcs, goblins in this game just make a better frontline, goblin shamans make a better lord because they buff goblins even more, the goblin techs in the tech tree eventually make their superiority unquestionable. Orc Boyz can kill stuff but they just get annihilated in the process, you want your bows to do the damage and your frontline to take as little casualties as possible.

  • @dyoloriuakagishi7017
    @dyoloriuakagishi7017 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    doesn't beastmen have a building that activate attrition to nearby region i think so

    • @honorguard7616
      @honorguard7616 ปีที่แล้ว

      If so he should've been safe by the time his rebellion happened

  • @impostor101
    @impostor101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yow, i just love your narration, men ... some of it is hilarious... always gets me entertained

  • @maximus9430
    @maximus9430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you just call Dwarfs a problem!!? - Thats is, your going in the book!

  • @Werewolfgeneral
    @Werewolfgeneral ปีที่แล้ว

    I need more videos of your fast voice at the start of the legendary campaign
    Guy Ritchie needs to hire you

  • @michaelschaub2401
    @michaelschaub2401 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My problem with the legendary campaigns is whenever the one save gets corrupted, your entire campaign is ruined. Example: treasure island crashes.

  • @nathanspreitzer6738
    @nathanspreitzer6738 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Malagor is nearby causing attrition, you can see the herdstone bottom left

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Weird it didn't effect the region of Stonemine Tower until it was under my control. You'd think it would effect the entire province.

    • @JefferyBlue
      @JefferyBlue ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Zerkovich Come now, you don't expect things to work properly do you? Tisk tisk. HAHAHAHAH Jokes aside I thought it worked that way too and I'm a solid 3k hours into the games.

  • @Kfo221
    @Kfo221 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wish I could subscribe twice for the Shaun of the Dead reference

  • @TheRealKevbot
    @TheRealKevbot ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, dude another great video! Shoot I didn’t even know I wanted this one… but I did

  • @alexanerose4820
    @alexanerose4820 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In old RTS like C&C 3 Kaines Wrath, skirmish had different a.I "commanders" that had different personalities like steamroller, tutrle, and aggressive which was easy to see and experience. I think the problem for a game like Total War is that it's hard to show that kind of personality since half the game is just moving your pieces which is the same for all factions and other half has so many possibilities that programming such an AI would be ridiculously expensive for a video game or outright impossible. Hence why Devs go for the buffs instead since it's a practical albeit simple solution
    Sucks but reality is often isappointing

    • @Kruwos
      @Kruwos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stellaris seems to have managed it pretty well in real time and the scale of data flow in it seems larger than TW.
      IMO the battle AI in TW isn't bad (could still use some work) but the campaign AI is horrendous and could easily be improved with a newer system to actually manage an economy instead of just popping doom stacks out of thin air.

  • @ddenozor
    @ddenozor ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I always play legendary but I never knew it was THIS different than very hard. I thought the only difference is the inability to manual save. But I also play normal battle difficulty, so not a true legendary difficulty. It's just preference, I like to mix units in my armies and have melee clashes where I am not screwed by difficulty modifiers.

    • @zhshsG7
      @zhshsG7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always play on normal battle difficulty as well, I just hate to see my units being handicapped.

    • @bighoss1860
      @bighoss1860 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zhshsG7 The buffs are overblown by people who dont play on very hard, having red line or some rank ups on your units negate these mostly. The worst buff is to leadership, which means almost every unit is a dwarf and can still stick around till the very last troops and dont break easily. You'll have units with 3 troops left coming back to fight down to the last troop. But the most annoying thing about very hard battle difficulty probably is that the AI acts different which can sometimes be a blessing(bows wont shoot small targets which means a flying wizard can fly around dropping magic on the enemy army without danger of being shot) but is mostly a curse, they will dodge mortars and cannons unless they are tied down which means those units dont become very effective. Lords and heroes will dodge bows like a player to waste your ammunition and their ranged units will opt to shoot your large targets and ranged units rather than the first target that comes in range.

    • @zhshsG7
      @zhshsG7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bighoss1860 Yeah, well exactly. First of all the AI perfectly dodging everything doesn't make sense, I hated this for example in AoE 2 where the AI dodges mangonel shots better than any pro. And secondly, I don't want enemy units to be abnormally high leadership. When I flank bleakswords with cavalry I want them to rout as they should, not fight like dwarfs. This is one of the main reasons cavalry sucks (except for some particular factions) on VH battle difficulty. So for me, normal battles it is. No unfair advantages!

    • @Shane2020xxx
      @Shane2020xxx ปีที่แล้ว

      Same, I thought the main difference was only Iron Man saves and Battle Realism.

    • @bighoss1860
      @bighoss1860 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zhshsG7 Yea, its dumb how the AI dodges artillery but they have to make the game harder somehow. Its far too easy on normal and hard battle diff, its easy even on very hard. You are battling someone handicapped on normal battle diff, the AI is an idiot, the reason it needs cheats and things like that is because they cant make it smart enough to give an actual challenge. It needs the higher leadership because it will put itself in situations that will break its units because it isnt smart enough to realise what its doing. The AI isnt getting an unfair advantage on hard or vh battle diff, you already have an unfair advantage battling the AI at all, because you have a human brain. Cav doesn't suck btw i use cav quite alot.

  • @Jukahetube
    @Jukahetube ปีที่แล้ว +8

    AI diplomacy on Legendary has absolutely no chill. Skarband and Malagor were never going to leave him alone. I think the correct approach would have been to leave Scabby Eye as a buffer to the Dwarves while focussing on the south.

  • @prod_4484
    @prod_4484 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Shawn of the dead reference at 7:30 was great lmao

  • @Doubledigits_
    @Doubledigits_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

    After playing on almost only legendary for WH2 and 3, the biggest difference in the early game is having to fight manually and prioritise directions where you can take out a faction easily or the one with the biggest aversion to you. And you gotta receuir constantly and build almost exclusively with battle money. The AI is much much more likely to declare war on you as soon as your power ranking drops and you take too many casualties, especially if they dont like you to begin with. So key factors to first 20 turn legendary success is recruit to the point you got almost no income and fight everything manually minimising losses :) deffo a good video demonstrating you cant play v hard and legendary the same way or ur screwed

  • @tuh774
    @tuh774 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As someone who plays Legendary alone since, well, ever since Shogun 2 tbh. Legendary is all about ultimate efficency, for example things like taking 2 turns to take a walled settlement is something you REALLY REALLY dont wanna do in Legendary unless you absolutely have to (in 99% of the cases you don't have to). Because AI will outrecruit you every single time, you don't wanna give them any free turns.
    Its like playing chess, you need to plan your moves before starting the campaign and when the randomness happens you gotta adapt. In Wurrzags case the randomness is Malagor/Mors and Skarbrand. But how do we be ready for that randomness? Well thats why i say its about efficency. For example there is a little trick you can do with Wurrzag at the start of the campaign in order to end up having 2 armies and you can deal with your initial enemy in 1 turn, even without the trick there is no real reason to recruit before attacking Dragonhorn Mines because you can attack it in a single turn take it and then recruit, again efficency. You might say its not a big deal but it is a huge deal, every turn counts and it counts towards your demise, in this case Skarbrand, Malagor and Mors. Also you need to always check diplomacy to see if you can get money from factions around you. Again going back to the siege of Barak Var, there is no reason for wurzzag to wait 2 turns to attack that settlement when he can just take it in one turn, again, every turn counts on Legendary.
    The rule of thumb with Legendary is always, how much can i possibly do in this 1 turn?
    I often play multiplayer campaigns with my friend and its always weird to me when he starts recruiting instead of attacking the settlement, take it and then recruit. I am like "no no don't recruit you can take the settlement" and he is like "shouldn't i get more units before i attack?". Again Legendary forces you into that efficent mindset and i really enjoy it tbh.

    • @johnsnow5125
      @johnsnow5125 ปีที่แล้ว

      > take over manual control of siege defenders > proceed to wallop your army that really should have recruited for one more turn, when you can't just cheese the infamously terrible AI

    • @Gogits
      @Gogits ปีที่แล้ว

      Good advice! I wonder, what are your tactics for those few factions that can't get siege attacker from the get-go? That and being surrounded by AI that hates me is my bane in Legendary campaigns since....Shogun 2 too! haha!

    • @tuh774
      @tuh774 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gogits Every Legendary lord has the siege attacker trait.

    • @ruukinen
      @ruukinen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnsnow5125 Agreed. When they talked about "multiplayer campaigns" they meant COOP I think, because in H2H many starts will murder you if you engage on turn 1.

    • @tuh774
      @tuh774 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ruukinen Coop campaigns doesn't allow you to take control of defenders and yes i was indeed talking about coop campaigns. You can fight against AI outnumbered esspecially with your LL. Even most starts don't need to recruit in H2H because majority of advantage is actually your LL and their bonuses. Wurrzag for example can't lose those first 2 battles due to how resistant he makes those savage orcs, savage orcs perform like T4 units in Wurrzags army.

  • @LMarti13
    @LMarti13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like whenever I encounter random, freak attrition it ends up being something with the beastmen

  • @marbles863
    @marbles863 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very great comparison between the difficulties.

  • @obesechicken13
    @obesechicken13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. I never play the same campaign on VH and L and just did one as Eltharion in this region in VH. Never know how big the jump in difficulty actually is because I don't compare them.

  • @GeneralZimmer
    @GeneralZimmer ปีที่แล้ว

    omg, hearing the World of Warcraft music in the background gave me a nostalgia hit

  • @ninosulser4984
    @ninosulser4984 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video Zerk, this pretty much reaffirmed myself for playing very hard instead of legendary too, cause i dont like the exaggerated drop of control nor being the target of so many factions…
    One thing i will say though, is that your fight against malagor you played yourself was you catching him travelling with their version of the tunnel network, and you didnt have your garrison army fight alongside your nirmal one (probably wouldnt have made a big difference though)

  • @Shinekage
    @Shinekage ปีที่แล้ว

    Im pretty sure the attrition is from either beastmen building or khorne building to cause attrition to non-chaos factions in province. I have however No clue why its affecting your province.

  • @KonnyKhaos
    @KonnyKhaos ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the Sean of the Dead reference.

  • @Erebus2075
    @Erebus2075 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i havent played legendary forever, this makes me want to do a run; seems kinda fun :D

    • @Erebus2075
      @Erebus2075 ปีที่แล้ว

      don't like the cheese either want to try and see if you can do it without cheesing too much ^^
      maybe some gift of gold will lower the surroundings anger, and focus on securing the first territory and have scouting heroes so one can have ready armies...'
      maybe its just too much and i get crushed but havent tried that for so long, dont play legend forever, so it is cool and refreshing xD

  • @PandorasSalvation
    @PandorasSalvation ปีที่แล้ว +20

    As someone who loves the Total War series, but just doesn't have the time to dive into the higher difficulties (because one doesn't want to waste what little time they have with frustration and getting their ass handed to them by AI cheats) this analysis is very much appreciated!

    • @mmorkinism
      @mmorkinism ปีที่แล้ว

      Never felt like higher difficulty needs much more time, it's not that hard if you know how to play accordingly.

    • @TheLiquelique
      @TheLiquelique 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      With legendary you need to sack a lot and also expand extremely carefully. The bigger you are, the more enemies you face.

  • @007whiterussian2
    @007whiterussian2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    i wish the end game senarios were more interesting with actual missions and quests and stuff related to them instead of "factions get free armies just cause" I honestly preferred the more natural build up of superpowers in wh2 cause it felt like once you were a super power in your corner of the world you had to contend with the strongest factions left around the world

    • @travisspicer5514
      @travisspicer5514 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same, I feel like end game crisis are a cop out. Not actually increasing the difficulty. The fact that they immediately go to war with you regardless of your current diplomacy bothers me. Scaling throughout the campaign would be better but it doesnt happen.

  • @PrimeNPC
    @PrimeNPC ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love if they made "Warhammer Sagas" and do sandbox style campaigns restricted to a certain part of the world, like the original old world map but to a bigger scale like with Britannia. I'd love to do a really long and intricate Vampire Wars campaign, with Mannfred as the main threat

  • @BeefIntoCake
    @BeefIntoCake ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video mate!

  • @Njolmir90Greybeard
    @Njolmir90Greybeard ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg, when Skarbrand and Skrag declared war on you, I completely lost it 😂 GG 👍🏻

  • @spajkilza1992
    @spajkilza1992 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About desert attrition - I think your army have to stand on the road to not get penalties.

  • @easytanksgaming3238
    @easytanksgaming3238 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Shiiiiieeeeet!!1" - my thoughts on drazhoat's legendary campaign I started on patch launch, from turn 3 to 10.
    F0king wars on literally all sides at one time :D

  • @Tuck213
    @Tuck213 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never thought the difference would be this monumental!

  • @lluis9650
    @lluis9650 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    okay, I think my next campaing is gonna be on legendary. On very hard it feels usually easy and once I start having elite armies it's basically over. Although endgame crisis do help a lot.

  • @jcbvickers
    @jcbvickers ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think you should do this 10 more times with VH and Legendary just to make the study even more accurate haha

  • @mr.gandersson2835
    @mr.gandersson2835 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fyi the chaos attrition was most likely due to a herdstone building causing non-chaos armies to take attrition in nearby bloodgrounds

  • @Black_Coding
    @Black_Coding ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome content!

  • @obesechicken13
    @obesechicken13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh I realized something. Before whenever we talked about legendary difficulty there was also some uncertainty on whether there was a difference in the AI on legendary vs very hard. Most people said the only change was to some public order and no manual saves and battle realism. I think this proves that there are other bonuses the AI is getting on legendary, maybe to behavior.

    • @Seelenverheizer
      @Seelenverheizer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      AI is far more active and angressive in their own expansion. Main problem with legendary is that absulutly every faction will always declare war on you for no reason but to fuck with the player.

  • @HenkjanDeKaasboer
    @HenkjanDeKaasboer ปีที่แล้ว

    That was some A-tier Shaun of the Dead referencing

  • @Dejawolfs
    @Dejawolfs ปีที่แล้ว +3

    legendary only saves when you enter battles and end turns ;) you coulda just loaded when your dude left the province. its actually a good idea as well on legendary to rely more on your allies in early game. give them territory, and mostly focus on leveling your lord, and take territory to give to your allies. managed to get long campaign victory on turn 64 as belegar on legendary this way :P

    • @travisspicer5514
      @travisspicer5514 ปีที่แล้ว

      As greenskins you can be aggressive on legendary. Rather than looting and occupying. Every city should be sacked. If you have a positive income as greenskins you are not being aggressive enough. I would say by turn 10 you should have more armies. Greenskins also benefit from paying for goblins but waaaghs giving you some better units and a lot of garbage. Crapstack all the way!!

    • @sympunny8636
      @sympunny8636 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's probably more a no save/loading run, fairly common particularly with streamers, as viewers don't love to see streamers just erasing their mistakes.

  • @monged4life442
    @monged4life442 ปีที่แล้ว

    Smash bonky smash smash will now be said in my head every time I win a fight

  • @mineralbottle
    @mineralbottle ปีที่แล้ว

    For the attrition probIem i guess it could be the campaign ability of the beastmen lord nerby

  • @hoganshairline4175
    @hoganshairline4175 ปีที่แล้ว

    your game runs so smooth im jealous

  • @sisyphos9412
    @sisyphos9412 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    honestly I would play on legendary difficulty all day if you just could save...
    If you mess up a whole campagin because of a missclick or sth is just stupid

  • @Elia-Burani
    @Elia-Burani ปีที่แล้ว

    Mate enjoy your videos.
    Both funny and entertaining.
    I have 2 questions
    1: Why Didn't you hover over the province effects to see what kind of attrition it was and where it was coming from?
    2: When you made peace with the goblins why you did not press "Balance" to get some money?

  • @davidtaggart3692
    @davidtaggart3692 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the commentary

  • @Ultrajamz
    @Ultrajamz ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I hope they eventually use AI to give the npc players more variable personality and make the difficulty reflect of their skill not some dumb gold or battle modifiers

    • @50043211
      @50043211 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      An AI is a network, I dont think you can replicate that on our PCs at home. 😉However it would be really, really, really nice if CA could get something better then the current settings.

    • @yukiko6137
      @yukiko6137 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well AI and computers overall are improving exponentially so it might become the case faster than you think

    • @Ultrajamz
      @Ultrajamz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@50043211 the trained models don’t take a lot of resources typically, its the training that takes resources.

  • @JarmamStuff
    @JarmamStuff 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I only play Legendary and I dont recall ever seeing random attrition. Not sure, but a wild guess would be that Malagor was in the region or smth. Taking random attrition as a mechanic would be beyond awful

  • @dr.paulwilliam7447
    @dr.paulwilliam7447 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool idea to compare ;)

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very hard is my preferred difficulty as well. I wouldn't mind legendary at all if it only meant more modifiers for the AI (in fact, I would prefer it with how easier WH3 is compared to WH2).
    But one thing - I hate the save restriction. And second thing - why the hell is battle realism mode in campaign difficulty and not battle difficulty? I tend to pause battles less and less the more experienced I get, so that isn't a very big problem, but restricted camera is really annoying, especially if my units fight far away from each other.
    I only did one legendary campaign in WH2 and one in WH3, only to get the respective achievements. Like I said, I don't mind the AI getting more cheats. But it's the other restrictions that make legendary really annoying for me.

    • @mackenzieobrien7579
      @mackenzieobrien7579 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right on. They might do some kinda scaling difficulty so we could do vh+

  • @DrRipper19
    @DrRipper19 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I neither cheese nor play super efficiently and am still able to beat Legendary frequently, but overall I think Wurrzag's campaign is just extra hard on Legendary compared to most other LLs though.
    It's probably better as Wurrzag to become friends early on with as many greenskins as possible by joining their wars with distant minor factions, and then focusing in on one foe at a time, e.g. the ogres, or the beastmen, or Skarbrand. As you pointed out towards the end, your mistake was going north to make all of these new enemies, alienate your neighbors, and then get attacked by all of the foes at your doorstep to the south.

    • @JayvH
      @JayvH ปีที่แล้ว

      In WH3 Legendary is not that hard. Feeling easier than Very Hard in WH2.

  • @dcchillin4687
    @dcchillin4687 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Shaun of the dead bit got me

  • @tombadrick
    @tombadrick ปีที่แล้ว

    Your legendary campaign perfectly mirrors my campaign experiences on normal difficulty. Weird.

  • @nickcoupe2964
    @nickcoupe2964 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does Skarbrand ever offer non aggression pacts?

  • @cynicalnomad2290
    @cynicalnomad2290 ปีที่แล้ว

    The switch to “death” 😂

  • @bestintheworld4850
    @bestintheworld4850 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought the difference was just the ironman, which most of us cheat anyway with a folder of saves xD

  • @ldese7
    @ldese7 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the addition of the CD in Immortal Empires do we know which factions are Zerkovich’s favorites?

  • @nickzukowski4106
    @nickzukowski4106 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any tips for the Mirrors of Madness battles?

  • @ingismasin
    @ingismasin ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, I am kind of noob in WH hard campaings, but overall this feels something like for me - I like that you need to be fckin cautious before every step, to think a lot, take a break before each step… Maybe normal battle diff, but this “hard decision making” in every step is something I really like

  • @vladtudor4447
    @vladtudor4447 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Zerkovich can you do a video with best legendary lords 1 v 1 in total war warhammer 3 ? with mounts !

  • @YM-zf8mt
    @YM-zf8mt ปีที่แล้ว

    hum exactly the same ? outside of the campaign camera ?

  • @FrozzenK
    @FrozzenK ปีที่แล้ว

    Main reason I don't play on Lego is that it auto saves after you do literally every and anything at all and for some unknown reason my computer has this weird thing where it freezes for 1 second every time it's saving (despite the game itself running flawlessly). 1 second is not much, but when the campaign is saving every time you blink, then it adds up to become really damn annoying.

  • @h4serammler681
    @h4serammler681 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Oh, Scheiße." (9:59) Lovely. 😜 Greetz from Germany

  • @srdjan455
    @srdjan455 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I was doing it he same thing you did then I would have all the major factions around me declare war by turn 10

  • @skruggibberish6348
    @skruggibberish6348 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You didn't need to intercept malagor in the beast paths

  • @jameslevesque9720
    @jameslevesque9720 ปีที่แล้ว

    It suffers from the snowball effect.
    The game stacks bonus on bonus from about 10 different source. The more territory you take the more money you have and more units. Eventually you dont even need the battles anymore, which represent tight fights, because you can leverage the power of your land to autoresolve everything.

  • @deathweeler8028
    @deathweeler8028 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the Shaun of the Dead reference :D

  • @macaulayfarenden1906
    @macaulayfarenden1906 ปีที่แล้ว

    What battle difficulty do you use alongside Very Hard and Legendary Campaign difficulty?