@@rybisznurek9977 it was worse than i thought lol not only did he not produce the "research" in the end he subtlety admitted that the "curriculum" he saw was the literal one word sentence.
At this point who even cares? Lol slavery is literally the least interesting and least important part of history. America might be the only country that gives to shits about some slaves from a couple hundred years ago other countries don't even bother writing this in their history books. Why would they? History books are to celebrate people who accomplish things..... They aren't supposed to be about lowly insignificant slaves lol Seriously lol why are we even talkin about people whose only accomplishment, was doing what they were told (being a slave) after they lost to a rival faction. A slave's history or life story is one of just being a loser....... History is written by the winners and everyone needs to remember that!
You know Destiny is well-equipped when one of the first thing he says to him is "until you show me your sources, I don't believe a single thing you're saying."
Truuuue. This dude always comes in half cocked with his opinion but always has an excuse why he cant provide this strong proof he saw. The vegan shames is the final boss of "trust me bro"
I loved the part where he said "I did my own research, and read one study" If you only read one study, and didnt watch videos on the subject, what the fuck does "Your own research" mean? You created the studies yourself?
@kristiansandsmark2048 it's the Vegan Gains special. Every debate they have lately Destiny just goes "okay can I see the study?" Shows VG where he misunderstood the study, and repeats that until VG starts to cry and leaves
It's amazing how many people turn up on Destiny's Door, say they've done the research, and then at the first or second question tell him to read 200+ pages and do the research himself. Just immediately crumble. If you actually read it and researched it you could defend it because you'd know it, or at least direct to more specific sections. Pathetic.
*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol.* Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.* *Distribution of African American Occupation 1890* *Industry* *Number* *%* Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2% Domestics 956k 31.1% Manufacturing 208K 6.8% Trades 145K 4.8% Professionals 33K 1.1% Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10 *Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans
To be fair, in some cases destiny is very retard for asking sources for the most basic stuff that is common knowledges or doesn't require a lot of logical leap of understanding. Even if you find sources people have different ways of interpret it, some sources he wont get time to dissect because it requires different intake from more than 1 or 2 sources. If you take the IQ debate then Destiny is clueless because its factual documented studies, and in those cases he fall in to the same mindset as Vegan gains where its the "feels" because he doesn't like the outcome. Its a reason why Destiny avoid far-right people with phd because he can't debate them on racial topics. When he debated a white advocate activist (Mark collett), Destiny was left incredible stupid with bad faith arguments like there is no white genocide happening. At the end of the debate (due to time) it was just an argument about is it "intentionally" (meaning he had to concede some of his points).. Holy shit people have been calling out this for decades, but the system ignores it because they want to push their retarded globohomo agenda. It wouldn't suprise me if destiny doesn't understand what "stand alone complex" is, while you could point fingers on whom are behind an agenda this has become automaticity where many people from different backgrounds are participating in it consciously or not.
*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol, but this is what Vegan Gains was trying to say.* Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.* *Distribution of African American Occupation 1890* *Industry* *Number* *%* Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2% Domestics 956k 31.1% Manufacturing 208K 6.8% Trades 145K 4.8% Professionals 33K 1.1% Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10 *Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans
They both are cringe.. Vegan gains owns pets Which means he isnt vegan and steven is a hate speech supporter with selective morals and overentitlement issues (every affluent person basically) Its all just the swaddling at the end of the world.. the dicking about as the broiler broils..
It literally says: “Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation),” in the Social Studies 2023 standards. “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” That’s sick.
Damn, Vegan Gains acts like he has been doing this for a decade while seeming like he just started. Like he just started working a job and is already tired of the repetition of the job.
VG is a one trick pony, he may sound smart about his lone pet topic that he has spent the past 8 years obsessing over and building his brand upon, but the second he try’s to recreate what he did with being a vegan to politics, you quickly realize that he hasn’t put in the work and that he doesn’t have a clue. The dude desperately yearns for when he had a prominent presence on TH-cam and is trying to lolcow his way back, one L at a time.
I mean vegan gains is a brand that can't ever change. Bro searched up if lobsters had brains and somehow ignored the first sentence that they don't repeatedly. Cultivating a fan base of toxic vegans makes it impossible to shift any of your ideas.
Sometimes I feel like Vegan Gains says he doesn't have whatever paper he's citing not because he doesn't have it, but because he knows Destiny will scrutinize the shit of it and Vegan Gains's interpretation of it.
Which brings us to the main problem with literally EVERYTHING! nobody ever talks about this either... Interpretation. Is VG wrong for interpreting it that way? Is Destiny too desensitized? How much should we care about it? Should we care at all? Is caring too much about it the problem? We need to know what a good and a bad interpretation of EVERY scenario is.
@filler2273 the best part is destiny specifically handles that, "it depends on how its being portrayed", in other words it depends on how the l people teaching it interprite it
What the fuck I'm legitimately worried about VG in this one. Destiny isn't exaggerating for comedic effect here, I agree it sounds like he's insane with the looping.
Tale as old as time with Vegan Gains. I remember when he used an article that disproved what he was saying, and his defense was to ignore the results and conclusion parts because those are wrong and to only look at the data which the researchers "misinterpreted" but thankfully vegan gains understood
It's sad how Vegan makes any of the opponents he chooses almost seem credible by being so incredulous. Literally every time I've seen him on stream his misquotes or misconstrues something to be more insane then it is or making the crazy almost seem credible.
@@Reel___ he tries to call himself a man, when he’s obviously a woman. He’s also ok with shooting people in situations which I would find pretty crazy.
The problem with talking about potential benefits of slavery is that alot of people imply that there is no chance those things wouldnt have happened without slavery.
Destiny really is too charitable letting people continuously repeat things with no source instead of just kicking them out of the call. Thanks for your input find your source and come back and talk. Click
1:03:00 the bad thing is tricking people out of their money through normative use of things generally reserved for people you want to signal a relationship to.
Zonia is at least top 3 underrated orbiters/people in this space. She always can banter well, will explain herself properly on takes, and offers a more “normal” trans opinion on those topics vs crazy people on twitter. The not overstaying her welcome thing is so true too, she comes in when she feels like she can add to a certain point of a convo. Wonias in chat 🗿
1:12:55 jeez, the change in their tone of voice, for a second I thought I blacked out for 10 minutes and someone else showed up to take up the same conversation 😂😂
Am I crazy or does this foodshops person's voice randomly change pitch for a minute there? They go from sounding vaguely female to male. I have no idea who they are so I don't know if that was normal or not.
vegan gains making destiny do all the research then gaslight him about the content of the research he did has to be one of the most based debatestiny moments of the year
“If I keep talking while saying I’m looking for it he will forget I said I’m looking for the sources and I’ll be able to do my virtue signal without giving any source.” -VG
omg, destiny muting his mic made me realize that there his mic has a distinctive background noise. everything is so quiet all of a sudden. now destiny is back, the noise is back and it drives me craaazy
It’s probably noisy phantom power. If not that, it’s just high gain. Podcasters and streamers typically don’t put the mic perfectly in front of their face so they compensate by turning the gain way up. Most people don’t hear the hum unless they’re wearing headphones.
I like how foodshop came in blasting the intellectual orbiters, complaining about how they often go off on something really specific and destiny has no reaction to. But then they follow that up with a 10 minute bouncing through half through out ideas/examples. I have no idea what point they were trying to make, i'd much rather hear about Pisco going off on some complicated law thing than whatever TF that was.
Vegan Gains: Slaves? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery?
The black community has literally used house n word to describe how even amongst slaves there were those who worked inside and outside and most in door labor is usually less labor intensive...
@@Sue_Me_Too and thats the crux of the black community that the ones inside were living an easier life and would snitch on their fellow slaves... its almost as if different positions offer different benefits, if you were the cook, you'd need to be able to read the ingredients and recipes... so now you know reading and measurements, you know more compared to those working the fields...
1:04 Destiny: "I mean it would depend on how that fact is presented or were the context presented and if it's a good or a bad thing" 1:11 VG: "um in that case I- I don't think we would agree." 27:25 VG: A few problems here. One if depending on the way it it's uh- it's presented it could give the idea that slavery was a good thing at least in certain contexts" 34:45 Destiny: "What would happen if we do the digging, we get a lesson plan, and it's actually presented in like the least offensive or not even an offensive way possible?" VG: "Then fair enough" 35 Mins of argument just for VG to completely agree with destiny's point on all facts. But just scream "IT"S RACIST" because he's a blind partisan, or a moron, hard to tell.
I think the problem with defining the parasocial stuff is today, you don’t usually have people replacing their friends or partners with parasocial relationships. But that you have a lott of lonely people who don’t have those relationships to begin with and instead of pursuing them in real life they live online and a large part of their time is spent watching those people.
Vegan Gains only move in his argumentation is debate looping. Ive never seen a debate where he didnt go back to the same topic at least 6 times to get the same answer
I get the feeling that Foodshops doesn't really care about this and is just grasping at any vacuous reason to come on to farm airtime/clout. It feels like the entire time Destiny asked them a direct question and they had no idea what even their own positions were or what exactly they were upset/talking about.
I was brought up through the Alabama public school system in the 2000s, theoretically one of the most averse states in the country to teaching uncomfortable US history. We learned, in depth, the trans Atlantic slave trade, political disputes like the 3/5 compromise, the great John Brown, abolition, and Jim Crow. The idea that certain parts of the country are sweeping slavery under the rug is a blue state/coastal state myth. It’s beyond silly.
Not only that, it's was chock full of propaganda (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.) I remember in second grade, and mind u I'm a yank, being taught about sisters holding hands being torn apart as they sobbed at auctions to go be whipped in fields. In *second grade*. That shit sticks with you for life.
No it's not, even in the state you grew up in you had a less comprehensive education on slavery than someone in New York just factually speaking given the state curriculums in blue states have more mandated educational lessons on the topic than red states
I graduated high school in 2019 in Texas and we were taught about states rights and all discussions about slavery were the most sugar coated and white friendly versions possible.
From what I heard is that in the curriculum, that specific point about skills gained was meant to show how slaves came out after it was abolished to grow a business and thrive in a way where they persevered in a negative situation exerting strength in those instances.
Okay but alot of those gains were destroyed over and over and over again. There were plenty of black towns and shops that were burned down after slavery ended that we burned down and do you want to guess the reason they were? We already know that black people persevered in many ways just by looking at our current era (albeit there still being outstanding items) and technically we already teach black history in a way that show how black people persevered without this curriculum change.
@@Coryameta Then you say that, too. Which people do. This isn't even a change. I was taught this in high school. Genuinely, there isn't a problem here. Hiding facts doesn't help anyone. If there's additional context, include it.
Destiny for 20 minutes asked for a source from VG. VG replies "Just look it up" Ruminate asks Dest for a source on VG's behalf and Dest instantly provides his source and VG has the audacity to say "That's a bit of a weird source. Can you show us a different one?" I guess I'll never consider going vegan because it makes you mentally challenged.
this is unironically the textbook example of the "I did my own research" meme, the dunning kruger effect ripples through space time so much even flat earthers are having lucid moments rn
Wow. I'm so happy I got pulled away from the online left. Watching Vegan go on with no idea that there might be even a significant portion of the population that doesn't agree with him is horrifying. Completely different worlds, indeed.
Vegan Gains’ straw man voice is the ultimate evolution of debate tactics. It’s so fucking funny. Will only be using it when making fun of whoever I’m arguing with from now on
i'm skimming through the doc as i listen. it's super brief and there's a lot that vg could've pulled from it after a quick glance. i'm thinking specifically of all of the mentions of slavery in other asia which seem to - based on their inclusion in the section and it being directly contrasted with slavery in the US - serve not as a way to learn world history but to downplay slavery. did he even open the file?
@@Freerezervex then also fumbling each time he was asked to source a quote or anything of substance other than being asked to provide the document itself which goes against what he's saying
Vegan Gains made a good point that these people weren’t benefiting FROM slavery, but despite slavery… even if a minority did benefit directly from slavery, it’s better to specify the numbers. E.g., “1.2% of enslaved people learned to be blacksmiths while enslaved, which they then used for their own benefit after emancipation” …this is a completely made up example….ijs Let’s get specific.
“I’ve read an article and did my own research” so in other words, Vegan Gains scanned the article quick with his weak vegan brain and formulated a stance to be offended.
I love how reluctant the guy is to shoot destiny a link to back up what he’s saying, when destiny goes searching for himself you can here the guy trying to walk it back 😂😂😂
not talking about the nuances of slavery is essentially the opposite of a social studies class. Whether or not you like it is pointless, its supposed to be conflicting and challenging.
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Ah another situation when Vegan did extensive research but when asked about anything he somehow doesn't remember anything
just started, dud he ever produce the document or no
@@DaFifaKid you can guess
destiny in groundhogs day
@@rybisznurek9977 it was worse than i thought lol not only did he not produce the "research" in the end he subtlety admitted that the "curriculum" he saw was the literal one word sentence.
“yeaaaah, well. It was a few days ago. I guess I can try to look at my search history (exasperated sigh)”
Vegan Gaines keeps pushing that boulder up that hill and gets crushed every time. Gotta respect his grind.
One must imagine Vegan Gains happy
I dig it 😂
He's as flat and squishy as tofu... :-P
VG is kinda cute when you picture him as a beetle pushing a Little Rock up a hill 😊
I actually love it when he comes in to chat, usually the most unhinged debates
When Vegan Gaines said "I've looked into it" I knew it was a lie.
If you look at the lesson plan...
Where is the lesson plan, link it to me.
Anyways... 80 percent of....
destiny was gaslighting him
@@goblin6587sure, and you could suppose he abused and mindfucked him too
At this point who even cares? Lol slavery is literally the least interesting and least important part of history. America might be the only country that gives to shits about some slaves from a couple hundred years ago other countries don't even bother writing this in their history books. Why would they? History books are to celebrate people who accomplish things..... They aren't supposed to be about lowly insignificant slaves lol
Seriously lol why are we even talkin about people whose only accomplishment, was doing what they were told (being a slave) after they lost to a rival faction.
A slave's history or life story is one of just being a loser....... History is written by the winners and everyone needs to remember that!
You know Destiny is well-equipped when one of the first thing he says to him is "until you show me your sources, I don't believe a single thing you're saying."
They were looping so hard that they created a space-time rift causing the video itself to start looping at 40:00 minutes
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to hear this. I thought I was going crazy at first.
I hope that was a subtle August meme about the looping. But knowing August, he made a bit of a goof 😔
Would have been 10/10 if August had found a soundclip from Ruminate saying "WEEEELL"
I felt like I was watching Tenet or some shit
Oh boy here we go again, vegan gains arguing about something that he quickly glanced over and will come away thinking that he got an epic own
He is so embarrassed about this fact that he cannot even give his source.
Truuuue. This dude always comes in half cocked with his opinion but always has an excuse why he cant provide this strong proof he saw. The vegan shames is the final boss of "trust me bro"
I loved the part where he said "I did my own research, and read one study" If you only read one study, and didnt watch videos on the subject, what the fuck does "Your own research" mean? You created the studies yourself?
@@richardommundsen2417 The truth is that he got a gut reaction from a headline, and started the vegan loop-chain.
@kristiansandsmark2048 it's the Vegan Gains special. Every debate they have lately Destiny just goes "okay can I see the study?" Shows VG where he misunderstood the study, and repeats that until VG starts to cry and leaves
It's amazing how many people turn up on Destiny's Door, say they've done the research, and then at the first or second question tell him to read 200+ pages and do the research himself. Just immediately crumble. If you actually read it and researched it you could defend it because you'd know it, or at least direct to more specific sections. Pathetic.
or at least have a list of notes lmao
*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol.* Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.*
*Distribution of African American Occupation 1890*
*Industry* *Number* *%*
Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2%
Domestics 956k 31.1%
Manufacturing 208K 6.8%
Trades 145K 4.8%
Professionals 33K 1.1%
Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10
*Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans
In 2023 , "I've done a lot of research on this topic" means "I've been reading headlines and tweets about this for 2 days".
To be fair, in some cases destiny is very retard for asking sources for the most basic stuff that is common knowledges or doesn't require a lot of logical leap of understanding. Even if you find sources people have different ways of interpret it, some sources he wont get time to dissect because it requires different intake from more than 1 or 2 sources. If you take the IQ debate then Destiny is clueless because its factual documented studies, and in those cases he fall in to the same mindset as Vegan gains where its the "feels" because he doesn't like the outcome. Its a reason why Destiny avoid far-right people with phd because he can't debate them on racial topics. When he debated a white advocate activist (Mark collett), Destiny was left incredible stupid with bad faith arguments like there is no white genocide happening. At the end of the debate (due to time) it was just an argument about is it "intentionally" (meaning he had to concede some of his points).. Holy shit people have been calling out this for decades, but the system ignores it because they want to push their retarded globohomo agenda. It wouldn't suprise me if destiny doesn't understand what "stand alone complex" is, while you could point fingers on whom are behind an agenda this has become automaticity where many people from different backgrounds are participating in it consciously or not.
Hard to deal with someone gaslighting you and demanding you do research in real time while he continues to gaslight you
imagine going into a debate with ZERO sources. FUCK this was painful
Destiny had to start looking up sources for him, shits funny asf
@@auxcideit was like a teacher helping a student who struggles with finding sources for his research project
😂😂😂😂
It wasn't just that he didn't have sources, he couldn't even generalize his searches for destiny to find it on his own.
*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol, but this is what Vegan Gains was trying to say.*
Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.*
*Distribution of African American Occupation 1890*
*Industry* *Number* *%*
Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2%
Domestics 956k 31.1%
Manufacturing 208K 6.8%
Trades 145K 4.8%
Professionals 33K 1.1%
Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10
*Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans
Vegan Gains did his own research guys! Himself! He read his favourite opinion piece author with his own two eyeballs!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dont you dare to forget that he also read an article about it 😣😣🤬🤬
don't forget all his claims were correct
Ironically August loops mid-video at 40:00. Great editing job!
August wants us to feel a fraction of Destiny's pain
Vegan Gains just be saying shit. "It's pretty clear to me" sure thing dude. 🤣
More like "pretty clear to my biases"
And again...
They both are cringe..
Vegan gains owns pets
Which means he isnt vegan and steven is a hate speech supporter with selective morals and overentitlement issues (every affluent person basically)
Its all just the swaddling at the end of the world.. the dicking about as the broiler broils..
what a mega troll. destiny had the curriculum open the entire time and made VG look it up himself. absolutely based
It literally says: “Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation),” in the Social Studies 2023 standards. “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”
That’s sick.
@@MMAGamblingTips Um you literally have MAGA in your name
@@garfeellsagna3326 top kek
@@garfeellsagna3326 lol that’s a self own for sure. But I’ve had this name since the first Obama administration. So whatta ya gonna do? 🤷🏻♂️ lol
@@MMAGamblingTips The skill can be applied for personal benefit. It's doesn't say slavery was a personal benefit.
Starting off saying "im racist" gonna be good
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@@m.czandogg9576ty king
@@boogie8586 o7
@@m.czandogg9576thank u for giving me the timestap for the scene so I can get off quickly during my lunch break
the "i am racist, so your virtual signaling dont work here" is the best response i ever seen, it just shut downs the person and you free to speak now
Damn, Vegan Gains acts like he has been doing this for a decade while seeming like he just started. Like he just started working a job and is already tired of the repetition of the job.
VG is a one trick pony, he may sound smart about his lone pet topic that he has spent the past 8 years obsessing over and building his brand upon, but the second he try’s to recreate what he did with being a vegan to politics, you quickly realize that he hasn’t put in the work and that he doesn’t have a clue.
The dude desperately yearns for when he had a prominent presence on TH-cam and is trying to lolcow his way back, one L at a time.
I mean, he's probably been on the youtube scene for close to a decade by now lmao
I mean vegan gains is a brand that can't ever change. Bro searched up if lobsters had brains and somehow ignored the first sentence that they don't repeatedly. Cultivating a fan base of toxic vegans makes it impossible to shift any of your ideas.
@@Kirzan66 yah, I'm not saying he's good, I was writing a lot more but I'm practicing brevity, and you weren't even replying to me lmao
Sometimes I feel like Vegan Gains says he doesn't have whatever paper he's citing not because he doesn't have it, but because he knows Destiny will scrutinize the shit of it and Vegan Gains's interpretation of it.
Which brings us to the main problem with literally EVERYTHING! nobody ever talks about this either... Interpretation. Is VG wrong for interpreting it that way? Is Destiny too desensitized? How much should we care about it? Should we care at all? Is caring too much about it the problem? We need to know what a good and a bad interpretation of EVERY scenario is.
@@lil8iTcH No nuance allowed, son.
@filler2273 the best part is destiny specifically handles that, "it depends on how its being portrayed", in other words it depends on how the l people teaching it interprite it
What the fuck I'm legitimately worried about VG in this one. Destiny isn't exaggerating for comedic effect here, I agree it sounds like he's insane with the looping.
He’s always been fucking crazy
Vitamin deficiency
He literally started crying while debating Dan and Pisco a few months ago he’s definitely not okay
@@JayD73 that moment was gold, and he completely deserved it lmfao
brother got a vasectomy in his early 20's due to his ideology. Of course he ain't health in the membrane.
"i looked into it and im telling it to you"
First thing destiny looked up ended up being false lol
Tale as old as time with Vegan Gains. I remember when he used an article that disproved what he was saying, and his defense was to ignore the results and conclusion parts because those are wrong and to only look at the data which the researchers "misinterpreted" but thankfully vegan gains understood
VG is shaping up to be a 10/10 destiny orbiter. I wanna hear them debate bodybuilding next
He will do a ton of research on it and forget what he read
@@KigerrMobile"but I would have to go digging for it again because I forgot what I saw and where I saw it but I swear it's real"
Sigh
@KigerrSWC the only thing he could probably debate well. Last i saw on his videos years ago, nutrition and fitness were more his bread and butter.
@@RV-vx9ek If you look at his pictures he was juicing like mad, I dunno if I'd accept takes on nutrition from a fucking VEGAN
Another Vegan L, why does he keep coming back?
Glutton for Destiny's soy and otherwise plant-based punishment
Masochism
foodshop is a troll pretending to be trans right? someone please say yes
It's amazing to me that vegan gains legit thinks destiny won't fact check him in real time lmao
Vegan "No source" Gains strikes again
It's sad how Vegan makes any of the opponents he chooses almost seem credible by being so incredulous. Literally every time I've seen him on stream his misquotes or misconstrues something to be more insane then it is or making the crazy almost seem credible.
do yall ever disagree with Destiny?
Vegan gains radicalized me to be against him and his ideology
@@Reel___yeah, all the time
@@Reel___ Do you ever agree with him?
@@Reel___ he tries to call himself a man, when he’s obviously a woman. He’s also ok with shooting people in situations which I would find pretty crazy.
Every time Vegan Brains says "well, again" the claim loop restarts.
This Foodshops person is doing the impossible and making Kelly Jean look smart.
lol I dunno... I don't think Kelly is stupid.
Foodshops FOR SURE is stupid, yeah. But I wouldn't call Kelly stupid lol.
@@ErgonomicChair yeah Kelly just likes winding people up
I love it
they reminded me of xqc with their ramblings
@@kevlon_ yeah but xqc comes across worse than he is because he struggles a little with English
@@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957 He doesnt struggle with english, french canadians are just weird like that.
A perfectly schizo video filled with a cast of perfectly schizo personalities. Just what I needed at midnight
👑
Saved you from scrolling reddit for schizo posts.
Instead this video gives us a mainline of schizo delivered intravenously to your bloodstream.
Enjoy.
Same
More like Down’s syndrome v autism
Unfortunately, it's less than perfect in the morning.
@@seavpalyou don’t love screeching schizos in the morning with your cup of coffee? 😂
The problem with talking about potential benefits of slavery is that alot of people imply that there is no chance those things wouldnt have happened without slavery.
Destiny really is too charitable letting people continuously repeat things with no source instead of just kicking them out of the call. Thanks for your input find your source and come back and talk. Click
and at 11:20 he gives up the point im skipping through this until some one else comes on now
1:03:00 the bad thing is tricking people out of their money through normative use of things generally reserved for people you want to signal a relationship to.
Do you not realize this is content why would he just cut people off like that then they probably wouldn’t come back
@@JayD73 if some one just saying something over and over again in a loop is content i might as well just go watch naruto again.
if they dont come back who cares they werent providing good engaging content they are just here to grandstand in the front of a large audience .
I really like Zonia, she always has interesting points and doesn't overstay her welcome imo
She's one of about 3 people who I'll watch live.
Zonia is at least top 3 underrated orbiters/people in this space. She always can banter well, will explain herself properly on takes, and offers a more “normal” trans opinion on those topics vs crazy people on twitter. The not overstaying her welcome thing is so true too, she comes in when she feels like she can add to a certain point of a convo. Wonias in chat 🗿
Is she that annoying fangirl trying to impress destiny?
Foodshop "where do you find these szichos. now let me be szichos"
She was so much worse lol
@@CisternRumblings Frankly Foodshop made the VG debate look good/entertaining... and Kelly bareable.
@@Natsukashii-Records lol absolutely
1:12:55 jeez, the change in their tone of voice, for a second I thought I blacked out for 10 minutes and someone else showed up to take up the same conversation 😂😂
Not Destiny being Dormammu. August gotta chill with these thumbnails 😂😂😂
Dormammstiny
Am I crazy or does this foodshops person's voice randomly change pitch for a minute there? They go from sounding vaguely female to male. I have no idea who they are so I don't know if that was normal or not.
The idea that history class shouldn't offend anyone is half the reason everyone is so historically illiterate.
Lmao idk if you know this, but.....
"History" was not a totally chill place!
@@danielsiekiera2006 careful there mate, you cant upset the nazis
Yeah, all of human history was a horror story. Our modern Western sensibilities couldn’t handle any of it.
destiny was gaslighting here
@@goblin6587cope
I’m crying bro Vegan Gains was really looping and his brain got fried in real time 😭
Wait Vegan Gains has cliffnotes? Where are his cliffnotes, when did you look at them?
vegan gains making destiny do all the research then gaslight him about the content of the research he did has to be one of the most based debatestiny moments of the year
Destiny needs to keep pointing these logical breakdowns out. This was very good.
he was literally gaslighting him the entire time I watched
“If I keep talking while saying I’m looking for it he will forget I said I’m looking for the sources and I’ll be able to do my virtue signal without giving any source.” -VG
omg, destiny muting his mic made me realize that there his mic has a distinctive background noise. everything is so quiet all of a sudden. now destiny is back, the noise is back and it drives me craaazy
It’s probably noisy phantom power. If not that, it’s just high gain. Podcasters and streamers typically don’t put the mic perfectly in front of their face so they compensate by turning the gain way up. Most people don’t hear the hum unless they’re wearing headphones.
Could be a fan as well
"are you having, like, a vegan thought-loop?" that made me LOL
I like how foodshop came in blasting the intellectual orbiters, complaining about how they often go off on something really specific and destiny has no reaction to. But then they follow that up with a 10 minute bouncing through half through out ideas/examples. I have no idea what point they were trying to make, i'd much rather hear about Pisco going off on some complicated law thing than whatever TF that was.
Imagine if Destiny treated Sneako like this
Inconceivable!
Vegan Gains: Slaves? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery?
The black community has literally used house n word to describe how even amongst slaves there were those who worked inside and outside and most in door labor is usually less labor intensive...
@@117Ender I still wouldn't want to be either one, but if I had to pick I'd work in the kitchen.
@@Sue_Me_Too and thats the crux of the black community that the ones inside were living an easier life and would snitch on their fellow slaves... its almost as if different positions offer different benefits, if you were the cook, you'd need to be able to read the ingredients and recipes... so now you know reading and measurements, you know more compared to those working the fields...
@@117Enderthat's true but are you considering that a benefit? Do you know why those slaves actually worked in the house and not outside?
@@Sue_Me_Tooif picking was a thing I guess, although house slaves were still treated like slaves
Vegan: "I've done some research."
Maury: "the lie detector test determined that was a lie."
Thumbnail goes hard though
VG has a way of so confidently falling flat on his face
Damn Vegan gains caught Destiny in a Izamani jutsu
no source = maximum gains
I'm not kidding when I say that VG might be one of the most entertaining orbiters right now. My mouth hurts from laughing, holy f
That's only because the current orbiters are actual dogshit.
21:02 this has been thought in Hungarian schools for decades and it literally never made anyone ever think slavery was good.
I think the reason why he keeps looping is because hes not talking to destiny,hes talking to his audience
This
Insufferable upper-class Canadian accent: "Oh no, you destroyed my strawman aboOWt Florida curriculum before I even began."
That's an upper class Canadian accent? I don't think Vegan Gains is upper class lol
@@franklingoodwin Nice thought. But, dude is a literal valley girl. Nice try tho
I listened to this live while driving to work and he had me shouting at my windshield
Vegan gains does tireless research ready to destroy Destiny, then hops in call and it immediately gets deleted from his chlorophyll filled brain
Vegan gains says "Again" about 500 times in this video and Jesus Christ does he mean it...
"Hey buddy how are you?"
"I'm doing well, did you guys come to a consensus on how many candy bars..."
Vegan gains is the embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect
Him not having any sources for destiny had me dying 😂😂😂
I LOVE how Destiny factory farms VG for content.
It's beautiful on multiple levels
VG just shows up when it's time for him to be milked
August really crushing these thumbnails
This conversation has convinced me veganism lowers iq
40:20 IM LOOPING
1:04 Destiny: "I mean it would depend on how that fact is presented or were the context presented and if it's a good or a bad thing"
1:11 VG: "um in that case I- I don't think we would agree."
27:25 VG: A few problems here. One if depending on the way it it's uh- it's presented it could give the idea that slavery was a good thing at least in certain contexts"
34:45 Destiny: "What would happen if we do the digging, we get a lesson plan, and it's actually presented in like the least offensive or not even an offensive way possible?"
VG: "Then fair enough"
35 Mins of argument just for VG to completely agree with destiny's point on all facts. But just scream "IT"S RACIST" because he's a blind partisan, or a moron, hard to tell.
He's both a blind partisan AND a moron.
You did more research than VG and had receipts than VG has ever done before
I think the problem with defining the parasocial stuff is today, you don’t usually have people replacing their friends or partners with parasocial relationships. But that you have a lott of lonely people who don’t have those relationships to begin with and instead of pursuing them in real life they live online and a large part of their time is spent watching those people.
Vegan Gains only move in his argumentation is debate looping.
Ive never seen a debate where he didnt go back to the same topic at least 6 times to get the same answer
I get the feeling that Foodshops doesn't really care about this and is just grasping at any vacuous reason to come on to farm airtime/clout. It feels like the entire time Destiny asked them a direct question and they had no idea what even their own positions were or what exactly they were upset/talking about.
I was brought up through the Alabama public school system in the 2000s, theoretically one of the most averse states in the country to teaching uncomfortable US history. We learned, in depth, the trans Atlantic slave trade, political disputes like the 3/5 compromise, the great John Brown, abolition, and Jim Crow. The idea that certain parts of the country are sweeping slavery under the rug is a blue state/coastal state myth. It’s beyond silly.
Not only that, it's was chock full of propaganda (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.) I remember in second grade, and mind u I'm a yank, being taught about sisters holding hands being torn apart as they sobbed at auctions to go be whipped in fields. In *second grade*. That shit sticks with you for life.
Also I'm 32 for time context
No it's not, even in the state you grew up in you had a less comprehensive education on slavery than someone in New York just factually speaking given the state curriculums in blue states have more mandated educational lessons on the topic than red states
I graduated high school in 2019 in Texas and we were taught about states rights and all discussions about slavery were the most sugar coated and white friendly versions possible.
Got kids that go to school in NC and they’ve never heard of the union. It’s deliberate.
From what I heard is that in the curriculum, that specific point about skills gained was meant to show how slaves came out after it was abolished to grow a business and thrive in a way where they persevered in a negative situation exerting strength in those instances.
Okay but alot of those gains were destroyed over and over and over again. There were plenty of black towns and shops that were burned down after slavery ended that we burned down and do you want to guess the reason they were? We already know that black people persevered in many ways just by looking at our current era (albeit there still being outstanding items) and technically we already teach black history in a way that show how black people persevered without this curriculum change.
@@Coryameta Then you say that, too. Which people do. This isn't even a change. I was taught this in high school. Genuinely, there isn't a problem here. Hiding facts doesn't help anyone. If there's additional context, include it.
Destiny for 20 minutes asked for a source from VG. VG replies "Just look it up"
Ruminate asks Dest for a source on VG's behalf and Dest instantly provides his source and VG has the audacity to say "That's a bit of a weird source. Can you show us a different one?"
I guess I'll never consider going vegan because it makes you mentally challenged.
Thanks for the vid, Tiny.
It's so funny how frustrated Vegan Gains gets when Destiny is just asking him to show what he read lmfao
this is unironically the textbook example of the "I did my own research" meme, the dunning kruger effect ripples through space time so much even flat earthers are having lucid moments rn
The word "Basically" does more heavy lifting in this convo than vegan gains.
It’s “basically” spotting him from dropping the bar on his neck
Wow. I'm so happy I got pulled away from the online left. Watching Vegan go on with no idea that there might be even a significant portion of the population that doesn't agree with him is horrifying. Completely different worlds, indeed.
15:05 "WESTINY gives example"
Vegan Gains: *doesn't listen and loops*
Psychosis content
Vegan Gains’ straw man voice is the ultimate evolution of debate tactics. It’s so fucking funny. Will only be using it when making fun of whoever I’m arguing with from now on
Why does destiny have such a terrible time understanding vegan gains's point. It's so simple. Clearly the curriculum is incorrect and harmful.
Someone is looping in my head… Is this TH-cam video broken?
I thought we were done with Kelly jean
Leave it to Kelly to defend bartenders manipulating lonely sad people to spend more money :V
Time for the weekly VG debate hell yeah
i'm skimming through the doc as i listen. it's super brief and there's a lot that vg could've pulled from it after a quick glance. i'm thinking specifically of all of the mentions of slavery in other asia which seem to - based on their inclusion in the section and it being directly contrasted with slavery in the US - serve not as a way to learn world history but to downplay slavery. did he even open the file?
I'd bet my life savings he opened it and stared at the lines shaped into letters but he doesn't know how to read so he closed out of it
Brother, the way he was using literally, and refusing to literally cite a SINGLE quote
@@Freerezervex then also fumbling each time he was asked to source a quote or anything of substance other than being asked to provide the document itself which goes against what he's saying
Isn't Social Studies supposed to have world history? It would make sense for slavery in the rest of the world to be included
@@rome7702 Well he'd have to do some digging. It was a few days ago. He can't remember names very well. Just look into it later...
OKAY WELL AGAIN (proceeds to loop)
1:04:50 just described every maid café 😂😂
The thumbnail was more impressive than the entire debate
The reason VG doesn't sell his farts in jars on Onlyfans is because he gets off on his own smug self satisfaction.
Biggie's 4th Crack Commandment: never get high on your own supply.
august why is there a lopp at 40:00 and goes back to 39:11? lmao just letting you know
Every VG debate puts me one step closer to minecrafting myself, keep it up
Vegan Gains made a good point that these people weren’t benefiting FROM slavery, but despite slavery… even if a minority did benefit directly from slavery, it’s better to specify the numbers. E.g., “1.2% of enslaved people learned to be blacksmiths while enslaved, which they then used for their own benefit after emancipation” …this is a completely made up example….ijs Let’s get specific.
VeganGains should change his name to FruitLoops
“I’ve read an article and did my own research” so in other words, Vegan Gains scanned the article quick with his weak vegan brain and formulated a stance to be offended.
I could endure Brittany. I could withstand Lav.. But VG is like sonic kryptonite... His voice causes instant disgust and aversion.
Well, again. If you actually look at the lesson plan. A lot of these people weren't even slaves.
Like I said, I couldn't even stand listening to 5mins of it. I don't actually know what you're referring to.
the more i head vegan talk the more i get tilted dude is literallly talking about shit he saw on a google search
Can we not have Foodshops on anymore? Legit she managed to be more annoying than VG in this video and that was a hard bar to cross.
I love how reluctant the guy is to shoot destiny a link to back up what he’s saying, when destiny goes searching for himself you can here the guy trying to walk it back 😂😂😂
Vegan Gains is just trolling here, right? Right?...
Foodshops was being unbearable
Cooking a steak for this
I think this is my favourite thumbnail 😂
not talking about the nuances of slavery is essentially the opposite of a social studies class. Whether or not you like it is pointless, its supposed to be conflicting and challenging.