[3.2] What is a "Descender"? - Genshin Impact Theory - [Project:Teyvat Ep 2/5]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- This video is part 2 in a three part series covering forbidden knowledge, descenders, seelies and the god of time. You don't NEED to watch parts 1 & 3 but it's strongly recommended.
Part One: • [3.2] The Root of Teyv...
Part Three: • [3.3] The God of Time ...
*TIMESTAMPS*
0:00 Introduction
1:00 The "Descenders"
4:50 The Subjugated Civilization
11:25 New System Administrator
16:36 Lucifer
*CREDITS*
National Geographic Clione - • Watch These Adorable S...
Noblies - • Playing Genshin Impact...
*SOURCES AND FURTHER READING*
Chariot Allegory - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot...
Traveler - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Before Sun and Moon - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Wings of Descension - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Abyss Lector - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Alchemy First Encounters - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Alchemy - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Crafting Bench - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Nilou - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Descender - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Enochian - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Antigonus (birds carrying fates) - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Enjou (Gods are aliens) - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Light of Day - genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik... - เกม
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Ashikai mentioning resin reminded me of how Nahida actually acknowledges the existence of resin in one of her teapot conversation. It was fascinating for me.
Bro broke the fourth wall
@@Yats6417 if the tyvat is a simulation thing is true she is the 4th wall
Nahida: 'Okay... So get this. We are in a simulation traveller, everything you do is determined by a higher power that literally controls you using a control mechanism. They are always watching you and sometimes they even wish they could be you.'
@@Yats6417 lmao 4th archon breaks the 4th wall
@@smith101.9 first 4 break the wall, remaining archon have to rebuild it
Another fun fact about the traveler, before getting an element traveler's normal attacks are named "past memories".
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14:45 She CAN read Venti's but venti himself notices it and says NOPE, I can hack you back.
WOOSH
Mona has hilarious voice lines on this in her profile. Venti literally threatens to blow her clothes right off
I believe she says that its only because Venti doesnt want Mona to read his future.
@@GhostEmblem correct **blows your knickers clean off**
@@GhostEmblem or learn sth bad about past
Finally, someone mentions THE WINGS. I was staring at the wings on the mural in Sal Vindagnyr and at wings in the first cutscene forever, and I was like "those are too similar to not be the same". And that ascension to the throne of Gods and everything. FISHY, FISHY!
Dude yeah and I had made a comment about the wings before but on a different creators channel I think. I always remember the wings and it just makes me think that they are angels in a way. I think the theory of this video is very possibly true.
Theyre not canon, thats probably why few people talk about them.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD I feel like people nowadays don't even know what "canon" means and keep throwing "it's not canon" whenever they wish, even in instances when it's clearly canon. The fact that they don't have wings in the game is explained in the game. Travelers were stripped from their powers. So it's logical to assume that they can't summon the wings as of now, but maybe will be able to at the end of the game if they recover their powers or ascend the throne like their story claims they should.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD literally in the first cutscene of the game, which plays right now if you start a new account: "Non-canon".
13:45 Ok, Mona might not be able to read the traveller, but if he is a blackhole of information, then Mona just have to record everything around the Traveler. It just mean she cant lock into his fate and look into it, but can sorta predict the traveler as he is a moving blank of information. So Mona is observing the traveler as a moving anomaly basically. Very difficult, and very unpredictable.
Nice !! Lack of info is also a kind of info that can be used.
But i have a question.. about mona that is..
Mona is an astrologer who can use constellations of a person to 'predict' the future of that person...
But we have seen many instances when she has used her scryglass for looking into the information of a place as well (for example GAA2 event story quest)..
I wanna know how she can do that at all.. i might also be overthinking this but imagine how crazy it would be if even places have a constellation.. or... Does she have direct access to Irmensul..
OR ANYWHERE THERRS WATER or hydro... She can sample them (?) like, i think her having a hydro vision (water reflects time and evolution, can store memories) plus having abilities like hiding underground with her sprint, creating a decoy to escape or keeping 'obstacles' stationary or 'seals their fate' through her burst... Which is her entire kit, makes a lot of sense now..
Edit: she even said she uses her vision's abilities for her research...
@@notraidenshogun8324 I guess her predictions work based on leylines, and since constellations are connected to Irminsul, hence to leylines too, maybe she is capable of much more than we think
You may not know the specific value of a variable/unknown, but you can still manipulate equations to know the relative location of the variable/unknown.
@@notraidenshogun8324 If I had to guess, it's probably something as simple as "reading the stars." While the sky itself may be fake, it still displays the constellations of every individual living in Teyvat. All Mona would need to do is have a way to observe the stars in the sky in greater detail to then "predict" the future. Mona was an astrologist long before she gained her hydro vision. I'd wager her hydro vision helped amplify her ability to view stars in greater detail (similar to a telescope).
For her predictions, she might have gained insight into aspects of star placement in relation to the rest of the stars in the sky through constantly looking at different constellations and finding patterns. Stuff like attributing a fading star in a constellation to potentially an early death of the associated person or seeing two stars moving slightly closer together as an indicator of a meeting between two people in the near future.
cutting to a clip of kaeya just as the narration says “the true king” was smooth as hell. i see you ashikai, i see you
Oh ... I was too focused on the 'Primordial jade cuuter' when she said 'true king'.. Ref to the Primordial one. Now with kaeya there, it makes a funny sense.. good one infact..
I knew he was king before knowing the lore anyways 😏
The word descender also has an interesting double meaning - it could mean descender as in to descend from a parent or ancestor. The four descenders could be the four remaining beings from the original civilisation that survived the arrival of the second who came
If that's ture, then that means the heavenly principals are from the primordial civilization
I like this idea because then that fits in with the four shades being descenders. And the idea that the twins were shades of Light/Darkness, Sustainer of Heavenly Principles being the shade of Space, and istraroth the forgotten shade of time, could've been "forgotten" because someone erased all of their irminsul data.
But that part wouldnt go with what we know since everything including text would replace istraroth from it ( whichever enkonamiya book had its name i dont remember) unless enkanomya isn't affected by irminsul which then would sustain its name from staying in those texts.
another thing that would ruin the idea of the descenders being the 4 would be aloy, idk if its confirmed but alot of people theorize if she classifies as a descender.
Also I think the seelie were the Civ that fell during the war of the second throne, and I think they were the kingdom mentioned that was spread across all of teyvat
yeay i quietly theorize with this too cause sometime i just think that traveler could be related to the four shades of primordial one which he has related to the entity of istaroth which being describe in raiden ei story quest part 2... Cause the traveler who descends always medle with everybody quest especially world quest ... it is frustrating to think for such a long time that i discover the similarity with the primordial one pattern which is stated in the book before sun and moon about when there is poverty, he will pour wealth from the ground (not the same text but literal meaning) and the traveler amends from every world quest that he made.
A Genshin lore video on an Genshin patch day. Thank you, Ashikai.
Australia time?
Dose the uppdate happen today ? I thought it was tomorrow
@@Xanxanaxa For me and where I live, it's today. It's always during the evening on a Tuesday for me.
Such good timing. I was watching while the game was in maintenance.
The Traveler having developer accounts makes sense if you consider that they can overwrite others data (purification), they can connect easier with Irminsul and are susceptible to the corrosion of it since their account are rooted in the system.
SPOILER: the new artifact set explained that the second throne DID NOT win against primordial one. in fact, it was primordial one who got panicked and then nuked teyvat with nails also exiled the seelies from celestia
What ? Fr? why?
Where did u get that info from ?
what is the name of the artifact
Flower of Paradise Lost, you can read them on project amber or honey impact
Aaaaah my brain is even more mushed
At first I thought that it now made sense where the 'second who came' came from... The void realm ... The origin of divine knowledge...
But it was said that the second who came took throne of Celestia and killed the Primordial one and it's shades...
My mind needs overnight time to think .. I'll edit this tomorrow
Edit: tomorrow never comes, I'm still wrapping my head around it
Reminder to what Albedo said at the end of his story quest when he did those tests on us.
*"When you're sick, a doctor can diagnose you because they are you. When something goes wrong, you can ask people who've made the same mistake for their experience, because you are them."*
Albedo said that the traveler isn't that different from a regular human or himself so traveler is similar to the citizens as well as a human made of chalk.
I think we should keep more in mind what Albedo says especially since he's trying to find out the truth and similar to the Archons and Mona he understands things about them that others don't.
I actually have a theory about the "Abyss Twin" that ties to an older theory of yours. You once mentioned that Albedo was possibly an attempt to recreate Aether and Lumine, which I think you called the "Primordial Human" project. Well, what if Gold succeeded? The Abyss Twin might not actually be our twin, but the successful *clone* of our twin. This would explain why they went on two different journeys, only one of which featured Dainsleif, and it would explain why they're so closely aligned with Khanriah and regard it as a homeland. Plus it explains why their account with Irminsul suddenly appeared in Khanriah of all places, since that would be where and when they were created.
It raises the question of "what happened to the missing sibling" but I think the Traveler's actions help explain that a bit. They don't regard their sibling as having defected, but as having been "taken by the abyss." And they keep putting up missing person posters and having people help search for their sibling despite their sibling supposedly being able to join up with the Traveler at any time and choosing not to. If they suspect, even only partially, that the Abyss Twin isn't their actual sibling, then they may believe that their actual sibling is still out there somewhere, and if they were "taken by the Abyss" then I think that the Abyss itself is the most likely location.
Your theory is indeed a possibility.. it could be very much viable that abyss twin is rather a clone of the traveller and not an actual sibling..
But Albedo has never mentioned of Gold, his master who created him , susbedo and durin.. on having made another project.
Albedo and susbedo were her only humanoid projects she worked on.. anything she would've made wouldve been AFTER she had made Albedo.. meaning, Albedo should've known..
Gold already considered Durin a success though.. it was not her main project! But the reason it went wild was likely because of coming in contact with the divine knowledge. Ashikai also mentioned this in her first video (of this series).
I personally think that Traveller and abyssal twin are actually indeed twins. In this video, ashikai said that the twins are actually from the unified civilization... which i actually agree and many theories about the siblings now make sense..
The unified civilization never worshiped any other god apart from the Primordial one... Until the second throne came and everything was under destruction and people fled their homeland.. or died.
It also makes sense why The abyssal twin says ' resurrect their homeland' .. to her kindreds/ followers who happen to be from Khaenria'h. And we know that unified civilization possibly consisted Khaenria'h and enkanomiya (+other underground nation's we haven't explored yet ingame). There are also many refs ashikai mentions in her video about the 'twin' refs being valid and correct since there's morning star and evening stars. So the traveller twins are indeed most likely twins..
But YKNOW.. hoyo could pull something like what u theorised ... To make it more sad. That the traveller's actual sibling is dead and gold created another project .. but it's less likely. I don't think we have a lot of info to think of this possibility yet. Maybe when we meet Gold in person the water will be clear...
Edit: Folks, i think i have cracked the code on why traveller siblings are like albedo, perfect and artificial.
The art of Khemia which is a Khaenria'hn art... from which albedo has been made, is a (now) forbidden form of art. We also know Raiden Shogun/ SCARAMOUCHE was also made in a similar fashion but with wood instead of chalk, using the 'unknown' technology from Khaenria'h (as Ei story states)
I was wondering, what if the twins were already a bio-artificial beings. Not created by Gold, but by Phanes or one of his 4 shades.
It could very well be isteroth who created 'humanity'
What if, most being in the monarch of Phanes were created in a similar fashion so they 'dont die'. As humans were fragile creatures, artificial Humanoids would have been unified civilization's orignal technology... Which, Khaenria'h is a part of.
Makes sense why Celestia (the second who came) would wanna destroy Khaenria'h. 'advanced technology' they said... As the twins are from unified civilization, they were artificially made.. we likely know for what purpose tho, to not be fragile like normal humans, artificial ones must be sturdier and has very less affect of 'passing of time' on their body as they are artificial. Co-aligns with the fact that they want to bring their homeland back, not just Khaenria'h but entirety of the unified civilization.
This debunks the idea of Gold making the sibling or whatnot. As gold creating the sibling already doesn't make sense due to timeline of the events.
This is just a theory tho, A GAME theory!... Ehe
If i dig up further possibilities, I'll edit my comment
@@notraidenshogun8324 Good points gonna go ahead and throw some stuff out know that you have me thinking.
Tthough Albedo was a success, we don’t know for sure he is the final outcome for what Gold wanted or just her proof of concept for later work. Also if you look at it from a science angle, you do not just end it off with one success. You repeat the experiment over and over to make sure the resulting outcome is actually replicable before being certain of your findings. If she is has the mindset of a researcher, then more than one successful being is plausible. Something else to consider is that Albedo and the possible Lumine replica are two paths that can come from whatever Gold means by making primordial humans. One is making independent beings, the other is recreating what has been lost to history.
On another note, if the twins are truly twins, meaning one is not a copy, then they either are both natives or both started out as descenders. They should not have different statuses but they do. On the former, we cannot confirm if you can stop being a native and become foreign to tevyat. We also have to note that, as far as we know, that lost data cannot be recovered at this time and the people who want to know that lost time have to speculate from the fiction that the tree missed and the little details it did not edit. If the twins we born natives then they would have been affected by the wipe as natives. As for them starting out as descenders, those don’t become natives over time. The previous descenders, who have been there longer than 500 years ago, are still marked as such.
We also have to consider why specifically the sustainer said an “arrogation of man” and stopped them from leaving. Why take only one twin but lock up the other? There was a clear difference between the twins from the beginning and the possibility that the abyss one may not be the person that descended onto teyvat could explain it. If it was a matter of what the other twin experienced, then they should have been gone way longer than the traveler had. Yet the existence of the abyss order implies they have been running around for a long time. If the crime was grave enough to literally be take away, then how were they out so early? We also should consider if the sustainer would have ever let the twin get away. She just sort of left the traveler where he was, making it plausible to be gotten out, but she took the other somewhere. Previous Abyss twin theories have been working on the idea that they got away but what if they never left containment? What if the sustainer still has them?
Anyway food for thought, sorry this is a lot I’m dumping here.
While I think this theory has solid backing and is possible, won't lie, I hope not. The sibling is the emotional heart of the main story with the traveler. I, personally, hope they don't go this route.
This is actually solid, the sudden record in Irminsul perfectly fit for clone theory. But what makes her fate obscured at the end? Did the clone died?
@@nabieladrian I imagine that it's Abyssal power, since the Abyss has the ability to corrupt the ley lines and the Abyss Twin is is so strongly tied to the Abyss.
You mentioned the angels being divided into choirs, now this is interesting, the 3 moon sisters names all have to do with music (aria, sonnet and canon), which could mean maybe the 3 moon sisters are 3 of the shades of phanes
Columbina is no 3 harbinger 🤯
What bothers me about this is that it means there is 1 outlier shade but we don't know what would be different about them
@@kisa4748 I think that sets it up for a reveal really well, I'd need to make an actual investigation but for one idea, if Ashikai's idea that Paimon is a seelie ends up coming true, Paimon being the last shade, eroded by time just as the seelies were, would make some sense, it would connect into why the seelies and the moon sisters had a close relationship, it would explain Paimon's weirdness and would tie into Ashikai's idea that maybe Kairos is helping the traveler, what better way than to send the last shade?
@@kisa4748 isn’t the outlier kairos/istaroth? Because when byakuyakoku (enkanomiya) sank to the ground they were practically forsaken by the PO & 3 shades but Kairos stuck w the people
@@bakamitai1419 Sure, but then that's saying Phanes made 4 shining shades *of itself*, and that three of them were moon sisters while the last one was just a separate thing. It just seems off
Someone beat me to it, but maybe mona can predict the travellers actions in the same way astronomers can't see black holes, but can see the EFFECTS of black holes and predict their movement
I had a little epiphany, what if the story of the Battle Pass is actually an encrypted story that someone made to prevent it from being erased like Nahida did with Scaramucci and ended up in the hands of Venti?
I’m so glad that you have the same line of thinking that I do. I think the twins are directly from the the civilization created by the Primodial one. If you notice the ruins at Dragonspine and on Ruu’s island, there is always three main figures, a tall man, and two crowned figures below him, being worshipped by other humans. IMO Khanriah were survivors of the war between the Primodial one and Celestia that fled underground, the way Enkanomiya was sunk into the ocean, and was removed from Celestia’s sight. Difference is that Khanriah knows Celestia overthrew or imprisoned the Primodial one, while Enkanomiya didn’t. I also think that Celestia created the Abyss. We know that they cursed the Khanriahian to become abyss beasts, but we also know pre-curse from the Ruin Gollem that Khanriah was fighting the Abyss, so who were the people who were cursed before Khanriah? I think it was the Primodial Ones people. I also think that the twins were cast out of Teyvat, either by the Primodial one to save them, or by Celestia. The Traveler has nightmares about falling in darkness. I think their world traveling was to find Teyvat again. What if the opening sequence is actually when Celestia showed up, in Teyvat thousands of years ago, and not 500 years ago like the traveler thinks? Anyhow just my thoughts.
I think the reason I was caught off by them being a descender is that this is the first time an Archon has used that term to describe us? Or did that happen before? I don't think even Zhongli said that but man I don't remember. Yeah I also forgot the explicit hints. Also I actually discovered that traveller not having constellation thing during one of my replays before. Found it pretty interesting.
Also also am I smokin' or where is uh... Part 1?
Edit: Got it btw. I was indeed smokin’
Zhongli didn’t say it but I think he implied it in his story quest. “You are one who crosses the celestial atlas, and who passes through countless worlds. If our history is engraved in your memory, it will one day accompany you into another world.”
Like fr I was confused as well I had to check Ashikai's whole channel to look for the part 1
Edit: Oh it was the one with the Hexenzirkel I'm blind as heck
Part 1 is the video from 2 weeks ago that has "forbidden knowledge" in its name and Albedo in the thumbnail.
@@Gonzora Yeah thanks fam me and my blind-as-a-bat dumb ass didn't realize that was the 1st one without checking the title
@@antoniosaesthetic9045 but we know that even the archon's memories can be hindered with.. after the sumeru archon quest, the archons recognised Nahida as the dendro archon not Rukhadevata.. so i think Zhongli doesn't know that traveller is a descender.. considering the ashikai theory of traveller being from unified civilization is true. He must have said that line thinking that traveller is just some alien travelling through the fabric of space and time to different worlds..
He was confident that we won't forget this coz he thought we are not from Teyvat so Irmensul can't do shit with our memories. But that also means that he knows... That their memories are getting hindered with.. which is odd..
Unless....
*Evil noises cliffhanger MWAHAHAHAHA
With the last segment of this video, I think it would make a lot of sense considering how Traveler is the only "non-archon" character who has themselves as their constellation. Not a dog, not a butterfly, not a piece of textil, not a leaf, not Paimon, but themselves. (Maybe Wanderer is also something like this but in his case I think it makes sense because he was a manually created puppet, just like how Albedo has an "baby within a flask" as his constellation)
The Paimon from the start will always be my favorite, her voice is so calm and gentle, like a true friend who understands your situation.
what language do you have the dub set to?
@@captaindanger13 Even in Eng dub, Paimon at the start of the game sounds much more tolerable than the current one. The VA increases the pitch quite a bit
@@nhaan4178 from floating child to floating baby. She reverse matured
I was going through Mona's voiceovers so they were fresh in my mind while watching this video, and when the 'Lucifer' section of the video came on, I suddenly remembered one of her voice lines.
Her voice line for her last ascension, that is, Feelings About Ascension: Conclusion states that, "In the reflection of the water, I see the ascension of the morning star."!!!
It was also very strange that the abyss sibling uses the title of "princess/prince". I mean it could have been anything else but why a royal title? Also why not queen or king? Maybe because they found the truth about themselves being the rightful heirs to the throne of Teyvat and now go by their title of birth.
3:37 Actually there is one other entity that can use multiple elements: Andrius wields both Anemo and Cryo in his boss fight and both of them seem natural abilities of his, not due to external apparatus
Magu Kenki also wields Anemo and Cryo at the same time! (Though it's a mechanism, and where is it's source of power I have no idea)
Andrius is said to get his power from other god which is probably why he had two elements. His elemental power might came from seelie cause in he second stage he had something close to seelie on his shoulder.
And Maguu kenki is mechanical puppet which made it irrelevant to mention like Shouki no kami, Everlasting lord of arcane wisdom. I mean it can use multiple elements because it was build that way with unknown power sources like you said.
Andrius is a god, or the spirit of a dead god i guess but it was already mentioned gods could do it already
I didn't expect that you would go to this route of the traveler being originally from Tevyat but from a civilization that was yeeted from the Irminsul.
Nice theory. It's sooo compelling idk why...maybe because you have presented your supports very well.
One thing that strucked me the most is the fact that you mentioned about Traveler able to use waypoints, resin, and was given a constellation when resonated with the Statue of the Seven.
It almost feel like I've been spoiled of genshin whole story even tho this is just theory
ASHIKAI I REALLY REALLY HOPE YOU READ THIS COMMENT cause I found it interesting when you said that Kairos could be a Moon and later I found some fascinating info:
(It's quite long so I actually thank anyone who's willing to read the hole thing and tell me what they think about my theory)
Kairos in Greek mythology is a God of Time, but it's not the only one, Chronos is another very common name that everyone knows already and there is also Aion (actually there is a 4th one, but it represents a year on Earth so I think it's slightly out of place in thsi context).
Kairos represents time in the form of a specific moment, it's “the right moment for something to happen” it's like a section of time in which there is a focus for something important or specific to happen and that you have to grasp, otherwise you just miss it.
Kairos is “The Present”
Chronos represents time in its chronological order, it's the passage of time, the sequence of moments, if you were to record it you would call it “history”.
Chronos is “The Past”
Aion represents the eternal time, the concept of eternity and the ciclical nature of this eternity: the cicle of life and death, the cicle of seasons, the units of time repeating themselves second after second, day after day, year after year, ecc.
Aion is “The Future”
So Kairos, Chronos and Aion, 3 Time Divinities and Aria, Sonnet and Canon 3 Moon Divinities who also happen to have names tied to the world of music.
Moons and Time are connected, the phases of the Moon, or in this case Moons, form a cicle, this cicle is used to measure time, even in the game there are moondials and it's also what influences other cicles, the tides of the sea, the cicle of life for plants and animals, ecc .
Music and Time have, for obvious reasons, a strong connection, (I know someone could easily say time has strong connections to anything, but the point is music is all about time, its structure is based on time) not only irl, but also in the lore of the game, for example Venti has to do with time, but he is also the god of poetry, of ballads, he is a bard and knows all songs from past, present and future, he sings the history of the world which means that he turns the history of Teyvat into apparently fictional works that can't be changed by Irminsul. (This detail I think it's actually super important and I'm sure it will play a big role in the story. I thought about it when you said that fictional works like light novels could be more reliable than actual history books).
So now what do Aria, Sonnet and Canon's names mean?
(I don't really know a lot about music or poetry so I hope I can describe the basic concept of these terms without triggering someone, if I'm wrong on something please let me know)
An Aria is a piece of the performance that's defined as “closed” because it's somewhat independed from the rest of the piece, it's the part for the soloist, the part in which the singer has to demonstrate their ability.
In this context the Aria is “the right moment”, “The Present” so Aria is Kairos or Istaroth.
A Sonnet is a metric composition which means that it has a defined structure, an order to follow:
a defined number of verses with a defined number of sillables, distributed in a certain order and with rimes that pair in a precise way.
In this context the Sonnet is “the sequence of events”, “The Past” so Sonnet is Chronos.
Finally “Canon” literally means “rule”, “norm”, “principle”, it's used in all kinds of contexts, it can mean a fixed measure of something, like a fixed measure of time, in a drawing canons can the the proportions of the image and another easy example is the english term “canonically” which derives from the Latin Canon/Kanon.
In music a Canon is a piece in which two or more voices or instruments perform the same melody one after the other following regular time intervals.
In this context the Canon is “the ciclical nature of time”, “The Future” so Canon is Aion.
These I think are the identities of the Moons/Time deities and if I'm wrong I don't know what I'm gonna do honestly, I might cry.
Anyway since Canon is “The Principle”, “The Rule” I also wonder if The Unknown God is actually Canon at this point, she would have a reason for stopping the twins and also a reason for stopping humans when they discover something they shouldn't or cause some problems with forbidden knowledge, she is just following her duty and trying to keep the “cicle of time”, the cicle of Teyvat's life going.
Nice theory - I was thinking canon would be chronos (just in terms of a musical canon being cyclical and fixed - whereas a sonnet seems to me to be slightly more of a free form (perhaps like the future, which is not yet set in stone)
Thanks for sharing !
The 3rd video in this series has some of these aspects, watch it!
If we go by computer Analogy, I think of Travelers as a USB drive. Filled with the knowledge of the unknown language.
The more they are in Teyvat, the more the computer decodes the language.
This is why Zhongli wants us to be a witness. They want us to copy the entirety of Teyvat and keep it in the Drive.
So in the case of any of the files getting corrupted there will always be a backup.
Omg that's crazy, I stumbled upon Aster's (Chilling with Aster's) theory a year ago about the twins being Lucifer. And now I'm rehearing the same theory on this channel. I absolutely love this theory.
It has always been my idea ever since waaaay back in 1.0 when they addressed the sibling with an honorific that the only way to explain that is they ARE from this world, the MC just doesn't know it yet. Like the ending to Planet of the Apes, their travels through "the sea of stars" has lead them back full circle. That one clue starts whole chain of other clues that can only work if this is true.
Glad i wasn't the only one that made this reference to Planet of the Apes.
Can’t wait to see Yanfei and Scaramouche together in these videos.
i have a whole theory that the twins are unique because they defy teyvat so much that they are able to have many different fates, hence why both aether and lumine are both canon players despite having the same journey structure. which would explain why the traveler can't be recorded by the irmisul because there is no set journey for traveler but rather a bunch of different varieties.
and something interesting would be that the twins are both the 4th descender because they're considered one person. most likely not true, but i think it would be really cool if aether and lumine were considered one entity because they're twins. it would make the detail of us being twins a necessity, when they could've just made them be older/younger brother and sister.
lumine is referred to as the younger one of the two tho, by twin standards ofc
@@manasama9971 yeah but they're still twins so it doesn't really matter lol
This is easily my favorite Genshin channel. The lore and hints/threads in this game are by far one of its best qualities.
I think a major point to be noted that argues for the point that the are twins actually related is that in the opening cut scene, the unknown God recognises both of the twins as outlanders. Specifically plural. Whether they secretly are from Teyvat or not, it's an argument that their status was the same before they got separated and are thus related
Ashikai . You are a GENIUS . Those little things that everyone thought that they were irrelevant you linked them and made a theory that is 99 percent chance of becoming an actual endgame of Genshin .
Ash, you are undoubtedly the most valuable member of this community. Great job as usual. Looking foward to catch up with part 3.
Given that being on another plane of existence (the abyss) allowed Ei to not have her memory rewritten to include the Sacred Sakura tree, if the twins were a part of the unified civilization could they have been either sent away from Teyvat during the downfall of the unified civilization specifically for the purpose of preserving their memory of it or chased away from Teyvat which coincidentally preserved their memory of it (at least in part)? It’s a pretty big what-if, but it makes sense narratively speaking. (Of course, given the total destruction they were facing if the twins existence meant the continuation of the unified civ either literally or symbolically they could have just been evacuated but the “the tree just kinda appeared, actually no it didn’t” scene being the set up for a later payoff would be pretty cool.)
I remember a crackhead theory from Wei, so funny and mind-blowing, and Ashikai got to the same page as him, now I don't think that Wei's theory is fully just for fun purposes ahah
zhongli hinted at descenders waaay back in his story quest (not sure which one, was towards the end though) but he didn't directly name them. a personal theory is that the archons know OF them, but dont want to get in trouble with the principles, OR they think descenders r dangerous based on their interworldly knowledge. feel free to add on to this, lol
I just had this convo a few weeks ago on twitter about the traveler being lucifer. A LOT of very interesting connections. God I love the lore and world building of this game.
okay but when i was playing the archon quest and nahida told us about the descenders, one of my first thoughts were "boy i cant wait for ashikai to talk about this! " and here we are! thank you 💕
I'm an incredibly huge lore geek and finding your channel was a blessing, I watch every single second of your videos and I love all your theories, lore explantations, everything, you explain it all so well and the fact that it all makes genuinely so much sense when it comes from you just shows how dedicated you are to this and how much work you put into every information you get!
God I want the Sustainer to appear again so much. Only 3 nations are left and we haven't seen her once since.
The design, the voice acting of the Sustainer is top notch.
I just want Hoyo to shake us up a bit with a chaotic Fontaine storyline. Imagine the Fatui attempt human arrogation, and she comes down in a cutscene saying "Human arrogation ends now" and then her cubes capture a Harbinger😱
yes PLEASE make dottore die
he's def my most hated harbinger for everything he did
This is how all of my daydreaming goes
It's kinda funny that she just kinda appeared once and hasn't since, although Nahida just told Dottore "Hey, wanna see me break this crap and bring that crazy bitch over here?"
So it might mean we haven't seen anyone threaten Celestia so far.
@@rick30521 "that crazy bitch" got me chuckling but for real, imagine having the ability to put yourself over the limits of space and time, yet the idea of her waking up terrifies even him.
Celestia is currently anchored above Fontaine, i wonder if that would lead to something next year
14:35 in Mona voicelines she trying to read his constalations but Venti himself prevent her from doings so, his constalations exist and can be read.
Now that I think, the ruins of Khaenri'ah in the trailer are similar to those at stormterror's liar, and if you go in the central tower and try to go down as you can, then at some point paimon's waring will appear and we can't go further or we get teleported, I think that Khaenri'ah is under Mondstadt, if you think here we start the journey, we meet Dainsleif, and even Kaeya was found in Mondstadt.
Isn't both Old Mondstadt and Khaenri'ah, Norse inspired? It only makes sense for them to have similar architecture.
Though, even then that's something that connects the two. And considering everything else it feels WAY too much to simply be a coincidence.
IT'S AMAZING. Really it's so simple, but so difficult to get it. I love this theory so much
someone had gone through the domain where the traveler "meets" Irminsul and a little out of the way from view were nearly identical 'boxes' to the ones used by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, so Celestia having direct access to Irminsul holds up pretty well as a theory
Interesting when you mentioned twins being stars, I remember when you download the pre game files. You get aether and lumine sitting near the monstad fountain in day and night version. Like the morning and evening star.
Ashikai, I just want to say I love your work so much. Best genshin lore and theories channel ever! Your videos are always so interesting, and the amount of research you do for each of them is astounding. I'm filled with joy every time you upload. I'm so impatient for the future content, and for part 3 in particular!
The amount of goosebumps I'm having because your theories really make sense and is well-crafted. I'm looking forward to the next one! 💖💖💕
Lets go more lore!
This also makes sense as to how the traveller is the only one that seems to be able to restore power to the waypoints and archon statues.
The chills I got when you put it all together in the Lucifer section of the video omg!!
Kinda off topic but I think the Book of Enoch has some interesting parallels to the fate of the seelies, specifically the part about a group of angels known as the Watchers who are sent to live among humans and guide them. The Watchers rebel against God by taking mortal wives, sharing forbidden knowledge with them (including weaponry and cosmetics for some reason) and having monstrous hybrid children that wreak havoc upon humanity. These angels are expelled from Heaven and the damage caused by their actions is what triggers the hard reset i.e. the great flood. Giant monster kids don't really fit into the seelie narrative but IMO the rest does, with seelies guiding humanity but being cursed for falling in love with humans, the myth that such an event leads to disaster etc.
Oh that’s the nephilim that you’re talking about right? Fallen angels who had children with humans
@@grassina3 yep
I wonder if the older archons are experiencing erosion because their "hard drive" has been messed with and reformatted by Celestia too many times.
in the video you talked about the moon sisters, aria, sonnet, and canon. this reminded me of one of the genshin menu tracks. it’s called “dream aria” and it’s the one with the woman singing that plays during the night menu. I find this connection fascinating since aria is one of the moon sisters, and you said that the seelie race liked to sing. also, the other menu tracks have interesting names like twilight serenity, remembrance, beckoning, eternal anamnesis, and reminiscence. kind of strange that the MAIN THEMES have references to the sky, one of the moon sisters titles, “remembering,” “beckoning,” ect, since this imagery is reflected throughout the twins and paimon (especially if paimon is a seelie). even aether and lumine’s names have connection to the sky. eternal anamnesis (the remembering of things from a supposed previous existence) lines up perfectly with how the travelers remember things erased by irminsul. also their connections with teyvat, like resin generation, resonating with the statues of the seven, gaining a constellation, ect seem to feel like a beckoning call from the world structure itself. I don’t really know where I’m going with this, but I just thought it was cool. another random point that the menu screen is speculated to be located in celestia itself, or some type of sky-heaven. again idk how all of this connects, but it seems eerily connected in some vague sort of way
the fact that all of this is possible just makes my mind blown at *how* much worldbuilding genshin has... like the sheer amount of research needed to make this possible is literally insane
Giving a like before the add even stops playing! I love Ashikai’s lore explanation.
Without ashikai i wouldve never known genshin lore is this deep
Ashikai, your theories and lore dives along with creators like chill with aster and teyvat historia give me a love for this game that won’t fade until the games finish and likely after, keep up the good work, your fans love your dedication to this story
honestly, bringing up the idea that the twins were once heirs, took me back to the battlepass cutscene, for a while there, i think many of us thought it wasnt the twins in the cutscene for various reasons, but rewatching the cutscene after watching this, makes me feel like it actually is them. of course it might still not be (i personally think it could either be the twins/paimon as the girl in the dress/ or people we havent seen yet) but who knows, maybe its too obvious to have their story out in the open like that, or maybe its been under our noses this whole time.
some points of connection that it could be the twins:
- one of their heirs was tasked to find (genesis pearl, whatever that is lol) in the Kingdom of darkness, (i feel like this could be their original homeland/place before the time of gods, or khaenriah, or maybe theyre all one in the same)
- heir tasked was deceived/memories erased, could be applied to twins
- heir has no idea of their origins, and now is the commander of the darkness (abyss order?)
- second heir obviously is the traveler as mentioned by venti (but maybe traveler =/= aether??)
maybe all this is just mumbo jumbo idk, but i had to rewatch the trailer and i feel like there were many things i missed that i could pick up on now
im also always keeping in mind the theme of "crowns" in relation to phanes and his shades, dk if it applys here but its interesting to think about the possibilities
Watching the wish animation while talking about descenders got me thinking about how the twins were "summoned". Maybe they were "wished" to this world.
Words cannot express how excited I am for part 3. I have a personal vendetta against the "Paimon is the god of time" theory but Ashikai has said (I think in a livestream) that she doesn't think that so I'm really excited to see who she thinks Istaroth is.
Something I noticed that adds to the Lucifer motif is the 'Cake for the Traveler's from the first anniversary of your submitted birthday. The second sentence starts:
"Here's to you, the brightest star in the night sky."
After this video that line hits differently.
I always thought that the Traveler’s old “home world” was actually just a past Teyvat…Like the Twins left/fled that “version”, traveling around for who knows how long, and during that time something happened to the old “home world” to “die/reincarnate” into the current one (maybe even taking more than one “cycle”?). The dragon one would just be the most recent “cycle” before the current one.
the end of this makes me feel better about paimon. if she is a seelie or moon sister or angel or kairos/ishatroth, then her sticking by traveler's side is helping them regain their throne
Overall, I think there's a lot of merit to this theory!
However, I noticed one small issue with a part of it, which would, if taken into account, probably alter it ever so slightly. If the Traveler indeed has records stored within Irminsul, but their dataset is just marked as classified, then there's a major problem... and that is Rukkhadevata. The Traveler still remembers her, meaning that her existence as well as the Forbidden Knowledge related to her couldn't have been completely erased from Irminsul. That leaves us with a couple of possibilities if we still want the theory to work:
1) What happened in Sumeru was just a stopgap measure and we'll have to erase Rukkhadevata even more thoroughly at some point or find some other way to deal with the Forbidden Knowledge. Considering that Nahida still seems to recall a very vague impression, a warmth, during her first Story Quest, there seem to be some slight hints supporting this.
2) Irminsul was brought/created by the Second Who Came and didn't record the Traveler Twins before they fled. We'd have to explain their elemental powers as well as the appearance of their Constellation some other way, though.
(Of course, there are probably countless other ways to resolve this issue, but these are the two that came to my mind first.)
Thanks a lot for the hard work, Ashikai! Your videos are always a pleasure to watch \o/
Maybe Azdaha can use multiple elements because he's a dragon. The 7 elements belong to Teyvat, but what if the energy of the laylines has alien origin? Maybe was created by the Primordial One to control the elements and that's why the Traveller can control it (and the other elements thanks to it). You remember the drawings underground in the fog island where the gods gave humans a gift?
The Abyss tryes to destroy the laylines because they want to set free Teyvat from the "slaving energy" of the god.
So the reason why Abyss Sibling exist in Irminsul record is because he/she tapped into the Ley Lines or some kind of device with function similar to Statue of The Seven in Kahenriah.
How about the Traveler? Why Irminsul still has no record about him/her despote they have interacted with the Statue? My take on this is after the Cataclysm, Celestia is aware of The Twins ordeal in Teyvat thus modified Irminsul to not record any new data of The Twins nature. Since the Abyss siblings tap into Ley Lines before the Cataclysm ~before Celestia is aware of their existence in Teyvat & modified Irminsul~, Irminsul still has some record on em.
The question is then, how far can Celestia modify or affect Irminsul's operation? Can they simply erase existing data or add fictional data into it? I guess they can't do the erase part, because if they can then they can just simply erase all data about Abyss siblings instead of just obscuring new data and leaving pre-existing data untouched.
Maybe its a cover up for the twin
If we have identical powers I’m pretty sure we should be able to manipulate Irminsul as well, so if for some reason our twin wants to put something in it from themselves
After every new archon quest, the plot only seems to quicken...Thanks for the amazing vid Ashikai! I look forward to part 3 :)
If the Traveler is from a past Teyvat, where the Seven and Celestia didn't have the power over it they do currently, then maybe the way they resonate with the elements is just how it used to be. (At least the wielding an element without a vision bit. Multiple elements might be exclusive to them) after all, the archons/celestia are the ones who grant visions. If it was possible to wield the elements throughout the history of Teyvat, then it definitely worked differently back then even if visions were a thing. Whether this system was implemented to protect the people of Teyvat or protect Celestia and maintain influence remains to be seen. I think I'd probably fall on the latter though, since in present Teyvat people without visions are not just less strong-they are also much more harmed by various things in Teyvat, like delusions and the black mud/celestia radioactivity... which makes it hard to see how only some people being able to use the elements could be better in any context. ALSO. If the people of Teyvat once resonated with the elements without the need for Celestia or even visions, it's quite possible the Traveler isn't the only one capable of doing it. After all, some of the people from Teyvat's past are still around... cough cough Dainslief cough cough
I really like the idea the travelers being from this world, Primordial era and the way you presented but there's something missing. Somewhere in the character trailer they stated they hopped several worlds before descending which contradicts the whole theory, I suppose.
I was looking forward to Ashikai's new video and boy I wasn't disappointed, this theory blew my mind yet again ! Thanks for sharing all your data collection and hard work :)
I love how well put together this is! was so enjoyable to listen to 💖I do want to point out that the before sun and moon book specifically said that the primordial one is androgynous and only referred to them as an "it", not a he
One thing I think could also be a possibility is that the traveler and the sibling are the primordial one split in two. They could have been split in halve forcing them to travel across worlds without them knowing that they were actually looking for Teyvat so when they finally arrive back in teyvat the plot starts happening.
I'm so glad I came across this channel. You have a gift for story telling and your pace and speech is perfect for for kind of video and theory/lorecrafting. Looking forward to your future content!
Can’t wait for part 3 ❤❤❤ Thank you for your hard work, Ashikai and editor ❤
03:19 if i'm not mistaken, i think it is said in the text talking about xiao's concept and design: all adepti have visions, they need visions too to manipulate elements. they have a "third eye", this third eye is the vision. the animal form of the adepti have too, but is an "inner" vision, that comes from the animal form, but they have a vision. but i'd like to say that La Signora used pyro without vision !
What if the twins are shades as well? Maybe the flower for Lumine, the feather for Aether, Sands for Istaroth, Goblet is the sustainer of heavenly principles, and paimon is the crown. Maybe the sustainer went rogue and tried to get rid of the primordial one and the other shades.
I honestly believe, by pure logic, that if Teyvat has descenders, beings that descended in Teyvat from other worlds, then it should have ascenders aswell, beings that ascended from Teyvat to other worlds
Actually.. while watching this, i realised smtn.. if dragons were the ones that were ruling the baby Teyvat before the Primordial one defeated them...
Morax or Zhongli, is known to be a dragon way back before he met guizhong. So I'm actually interested to know if Zhongli is from a destroyed civilisation too. Could also be the reason why he's the most oldest archon as well. Maybe there was a treaty established between the second who came and the dragons who got killed by the first who came... There's a possibility..
This video was so good and i wait for ur videos like every single day. I'm blessed today I'm truly lucky
Hi, not raiden shogun! It was mentioned that zhongli is an adeptus and if my memory doesn't decive me, the vishap are somehow related to dragons..? If the world was restarted than it makes sense for it to resemble the old world, it's like if earth was returned to the moment life was created, it would go a similar pattern as our current earth if it makes sense and most of the time tge data is still there, I suspect that they can't just destroy it. Like they destroyed sal vindagner because they took information from irminsul. Why if they could just destroy the info? And the current world is probably highly inspired by the old one. Also dragon is literally just a big lizard they could just be different kinds of dragons. No hate, just putting some critics on your theory. It can be, but I think currently we just have more info against it than for it
Thank you for your hard work, I always look forward to your videos! and good luck on your Skrunkly pulls 💙
About the seelies, there's an Aranara quest that leads us to that area where we fight a weird boss that's like pure dark energy, very unique boss btw.
As we go along, the Aranara guiding us says the Seelies would loose their intelligence and become simpler beings if they fell in love with a human. So all seelies are like this because of that.
As someone who HUNGERS for lore and also plays Genshin I LOVE this lore theory series. I truly think your on to something here
This video was amazing!! I'll keep looking for this series finale !!
There’s a theory that some of the archons, that could also be related to phanes and the shades(Ei seems to be acquainted to one shade so I’ll assume our two oldies know her too), but the traveler being the direct descendant of phanes and that only traveler can reclaim their rightful throne.
On a side note, can Zhongli be counted as a descendent, since we have that translation that he descended (from where? - also can this also count as fallen then?like cast from heaven? - archons seem to take like that kind of role) to Teyvat? Maybe this would be why venti and zhongli seem friendly towards traveler? I mean, they seem quite fast trusting in them. I really am curious if some of the older, if the originals, can be traced to the shades and phanes, in theory. I hope these theories and questions aren’t too weird. Maybe since some help us they redeem themselves from being fallen from heaven once traveler ascends?
Side side note I still think the True name thing applies to their archon names, being fake I mean. However I’m not sure yet on their names they reveal to us are their real ones or they have some ancient names (something like in tales of earth sea where every object/being had a true hidden name).
amazing job as always i cant wait for part 3 my lore loving self needs more lore/theories to feed my brain till we get more areas to explore
I had a really whack idea about our twin. So the line, “But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend to the seat of ‘the god.” really caught onto me, knowing that the twin has connections to the leylines (while the MC doesn’t). What if, the twin forcefully put themselves as a log into the leylines to have the possibility of becoming a god and rewriting fate? I’m not gonna go in more depth on this but I hope this sparks something 🥲
A couple months back I said the storyline reminds me of the poem Paradise Lost.
Now it’s confirmed.
One more theory proven correct 🙌🏼
i love thet you put every single thought that i had about the travelers in one video, this satisfies my brain so much, it's so organized dshdfkduweugw thank you ashikai 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I really love your videos, your theories are always so interesting.
awesome as always and giving me things to think about!
Usually I tend to agree with about 50% of each of your theory videos while disagreeing with the other 50%, this time I agree with 50% while not just agreeing but actually having theorized before the other 50% of your video, which makes me really excited to see where this theory will go next considering it should fit very well with what I've been thinking of for months now...
What a great video!
can't wait for part 3 of 3
...if it will be 3 in total, I still remember the world structure series
btw the Wanderer clarifies the Harbinger ranking in one of his voice lines, in this case Sandrone's rank
I love this theory. I like to wait for your videos to insure I'm not going crazy and overthinking some stuff and to lead the way in theories.
this was fascinating to watch. thanks for posting on maintenance day!
also the outro music was very cool too
it's actually perfect that venti is a bard. couldn't he turn everything he deems important into allegorical tales, songs and poems, and then all he has to do is constantly sing and read all of them? then once he finds one he can't understand the reason behind all he has to do is think about the hidden meaning (bcs let's assume he's smart enough to make them obvious to himself but not to irminsul) and he could be basically immune to deleting things from irminsul no? the thousand winds wine song is very suspicious for example
Tbh, I thought that because the traveler(s) were desperate to get their powers back, they started using whatever it is available at hand for the time being, until hyv released Albedo's event, and opened Dragonspine. I noticed that Albedo's stars on his lab coat looks exactly like Lumine's (my chosen MC) stars on her outift.
And the theory about Primodorial One had me thinking: are travelers from Original Teyvat during that time, and then fled when a war broke out? They probably been traveling to different worlds then for far too long that they didn't realize that they went back to their long lost homeland. What also got me wondering was: did Teyvat had a different name back then?
For travelers point, Teyvat now most definitely looks too different from what they can remember that it's unrecognizable and assumed that it's just another world they landed to. And it would also make sense why they were basically punished from trying to leave Teyvat during the Khaenriah war, Celestia are basically imprisoning them from trying to flee again, right?
EDIT: I almost forgot to add, what if the part where the sibling experienced at 21:20 isn't the Khaenriah destruction, but in fact, was the 2nd throne war?
First of all since revelation about whole genshin lore being told by unreliable narrators and everything potentialy being alterable by Irminsul I find it pretty challanging to trust any theory no matter how much it checks out.. Nonetheless it makes your work put in reserching all that stuff and compering it to other legends and myths even more impressive! Keep up the good work!
P.S. The gamplay footage of enkanomiya puzzle disaster cracked me up not gona lie.. While having Zhongli makes your brain forget how to dodge, having Kazuha apperently makes u forget how to time your jumping
Ashikai i was going around in enkanomya and there's a kid in the evernight temple that recognizes us as a decender by our clothes as he says it "the people who came from the skies" and he also says enkanomya is soposed to be way bigger than our map shows it
I’m excited to here Asikai’s thoughts on her theory now that the interlude quest is over. It seems to confirm many of her theories about Teyvat, the Travelers, and even how she theorized that Irmisil wouldn’t change Fairy Tales as they are fiction. Now the quest with Lisa, where the Abyss mage stole the fairy tale makes sense.
I don't know the exact quest for this interaction or whether it was an upon reaching inazuma and meeting new katheryne dialogue but I recall katheryne saying something along the lines of: "You didn't think you were/are the only one(s) who know how to use the teleport waypoints did you", as a reply to us asking how there is another katheryne in inazuma now.[ If my memory serves correctly] and we also know that Katheryne is a robot made in snezhnaya soo... take of it what you will. :P