Batman: Arkham City PS4/Xbox One Remaster vs PC Original Graphics Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- PS4 and Xbox One remasters of Batman: Arkham City compared to the original PC version at max settings Tom guides you through the graphics enhancements of this "Return to Arkham" edition on console. The move to Unreal 4 alters lighting, character models and effects - though the original still has charm of its own that holds up.
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textures and lighting look better on the remaster but I prefer the more darker/mysterious looking original version
Marco Martins lol have you ever checked the settings well there a brightness setting and you can adjust it to make it darker or lighter.
"I have a PC, therefore, I'm going to be biased and say that PC looks better, even though PS4 Remaster clearly looks better" is not an argument.
Darker? Really?
The remaster doesn't look any less 'Mysterious'
@@sorryforprojectingmyparent6402 it looks better than bright colours and shiny lights it’s an artistic direction to suit Batman not fortnite
The hell is up with the piss filter over everything
yeah, the greenish tint ruins the darkish grey theme of batman games
After playing around with the config files in the pc version, it turns out that the more saturated look is the result of the team removing the depth of field filter on the original to make the city background look more sharp. That blurred filter also gave the game its more bluish tint. I guess after making the game look clearer, they decided not to reset the color palette to look more like the older version.
it adds new flavor to the game :)
It’s in Mexico
The scene with catwoman and the fresh carpets are NOT new.
Those carpets are a signature part of the "PhysX" graphics option. When enabled, those rubs are all over the place and fly around during the fight.
Big fan bro
Same
@@niggawigga720 Your profile picture goes well with your comment
EVERY REMASTER IS LIKE THIS WHAT THE HELL why do all remasters look washed out!?
@@TheTurbanator123 - They don't "all look washed out".
Damn. Remastered at 30fps with good graphics for $50+ or...
same shit at 60fps for $5
The frame rate is uncapped but it still drops to mid 20's at times, pathetic tbh.
Duri Ali pc version 4k 60 all day and they were around £4 each on sale even DF calls it the definitive edition.
Duri Ali 2.30 AUD 1.50 USD
The remaster dropped as low as 19 during their dedicated performance test video.
And it's not like the graphics on PC are BAD. They still look fine. More than fine enough to win the comparison overall. A solid 60 FPS at all times for $5 or an unlocked framerate that rarely touches 60 and drops below 20 for a lot more money. I'll take the PC version every time, gameplay trumps graphics and the price is definitely right as well.
mjc0961 at 4k 60 the pc version still looks amazing and I don't know if this has the interactive smoke and debris.
I actually think the original looks better. The lighting, the colors, the contrast, everything.
So do I... The remaster makes everything look green
Your eyes don't lie.
I agree..
Mee too
slymario2416 agreed
I'm a game artists who works primarily in UE4, although I appreciate the ambition the team had for the remaster I do think it was misguided. Unless they had planned on creating new materials for every object and character in the game simply porting most of the assets to a new engine will not add very much and (as I think is self evident by the footage) actually results in slightly worse looking assets. UE4 uses a PBR system for its materials, this results in materials looking much more realistic when the extra effort is applied to take advantage of this system (this is why the elements they did enhance comparatively look 'better'), however without using it (PBR materials) assets will look the same as they did on UDK. On top of this the lighting although similar to UDK is far more complex in UE4, and the subtle differences we see between the lighting in the two versions is created because of this subtle difference. Simply put porting a UDK game onto UE4 is not automatically going to improve anything, I personally think they lost a lot of the atmosphere of the original and the little you gain (the occasional specular highlight, higher res texture or upgraded material) is not worth the overall composition of each scene being degraded in terms of its aesthetic and atmosphere. To describe what I mean, the original has a dark blue tint, dark shadows and bright colorful lights. The remaster has a more washed out green look, it totally changes the mood of the game and I think it does so negatively. On top of that the shadows seem more blurry in the new version and are outright missing from several scenes.
One final point I'll make, Batman Arkham Knight looks better than both versions of this game hands down, and it is running not on UE4 but UDK, it shows that a new engine isnt always the best solution for making a game look better, highly skilled game and technical artists make make almost any limitation look good if not great if given the time necessary to do so. I wish they had given this team years to remaster these games and do the originals justice, totally remaking every material if possible, then the shift to UE4 would at least be justified, as it stands its a mixed bag and it's very sad to see such great games get this as their remaster. I would've preferred a port with 1080p 60fps output that stayed as identical to the original as possible.
Those are just my thoughts on this remaster anyways.
I am not an expert artist like you and I see everything you're seeing. Informative and interesting analysis.
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DEBUG!!
GRAPHIC METER!!!
I like some of the changes, but the fact that it's 30 fps while the PC version can be ran at well above 60 at max with physx on a modern gaming PC is a deal breaker.
Even my 660ti can do it at 60fps with physx on, these consoles are a joke really.
nashismox3 no, the port is really bad, There is not a game with uncharted 4 visuals on pc yet..
PlaystationboxU master race The problem with these consoles is their CPU man, in terms of graphics and GPU they are fine. But the lack of a good CPU in them, really hurts them (framerate). Also I don't say this only because of graphics but because of games, there is not ONE game I'm dying to play on either of these consoles.
That's why I have a New 3DS XL and a nice mid end PC, with that I'm more than happy, great games on the 3DS (I really want to play) and really good graphics on my PC if I want to choose that.
*+PlaystationboxU master race* "There is not a game with uncharted 4 visuals on pc yet.."
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Yes, there is. And guess what? If the Uncharted 4 was on PC. guess which version would look better?
Why does the remaster look all yellow?
Because the original one was all bluish
Green you mean
Because they enabled warm color display.
@@probot6515 That was in Arkham Asylum.
Samuelx01 I like neither of the filters, I would like one that is just normal, not cold, not warm.
But the blue-ish filter is a little bit closer to real life.
Should have given it to blue point.
the gods of remaster
A port to surpass Metal Gear HD...
They also did a fantastic job with Uncharted
*****
Indeed.
@@TheShangryLlamas And remakes. Demon's Souls is just GORGEOUS!
3:00 It's not an aliasing issue. Bruce is bad at stitching.
Inriri am not
Suuuure. You going to blame Alfred again?
Why would Bruce do all of that work? He's got a butler
Inriri well Alfred is my tailor, so yeah....
WTF? I thought Bruce died in a house explosion.
Why port it to Unreal 4? Arkham Knight looked amazing and was still on Unreal 3. They could've just updated the textures and added the new effects to the original and then be able to completely avoid all these technical issues. Also, I believe my old laptop ran this at 60, no way PS4 and Xbox One can't, poor optimization I'd say. Considering all the technical issues, it's not a bad guess.
wait, it was UE3? Holy shit! Imagine if Bioware stuck with UE3 instead of Frostbyte, all the modding capabilities...
Someone’s probably already pointed this out but the carpets are missing on PC as they’ve not enabled PhysX. Enable that and the carpets appear as they’re not a feature of the remaster.
Whats with the overuse of yellowing in the new one? I think I like the original look better.
Somehow, Harley got a surgery or something to lower the placement of her belly button.
Guy I saw thatband her tattoo
And also made the belly button more inward than out.
They made it too low.
she still looks better than in the original. her face that is. less dumb, trailer-parky, and prettier...
I just like that Batman's Cape is actually black now
It was already black, but black isn't always black when affected by light sources. Sadly they took that away.
@@RonixEnclave no it was purplish blue. Modders proved it by extracting the textures and viewing them with no lighting effects at all. Not to mention there were mods to make it black, that didn't change the games lighting.
I mean batman's old suits weren't actually black 🤔
@@darthx2445 that's because the paper the printed on couldnt handle black ink
These shitty devs in charge of remasters need to stop altering the atmosphere so much.
3:28 It really tied the room together.
I have to say, Harley Quinn's Head does look a LOT more human in the remaster.
the cloth is not that important really but in the original version her face looks way more like a CGI puppet.
Cat Woman still looks fake as fuck...
and that piss filter looks horrible. just gimme the higher res models and textures for the PC version and it would be fine, no need to change the lighting or engine.
After Arkham Knight, it it is probably a good thing that they won't bother with a PC version anymore, do it right or don't do it at all.
I agree that Harley Quinn is the only character model that actually looks better in the remaster.
It looks like they significantly changed her face and the lighting is a lot less harsh.
All the others look like they just got slime rubbed all over them.
Bud 10001100101000 exactly Harly is the only motive of character models to play the remaster
These are minor visual improvements at best. Not worth the loss of potential framerate
This is an AMAZING VIDEO!! Many people do these comparisons but never, ever, ever go into detail about what exactly the differences are. I can only hope that you go on to make more comparison videos. Well Done!!
I feel the filter on the old gen created a nice atmosphere with the lighting.
Return to Arkham meeting room: "Filter and color change BOOM slap on 'Remastered' and lets sell this shit - oh and fix a couple textures in the background so people won't think it's completely just a port" 😂
I have the originals for 360 and recently had the chance to get this as well. Is it worth it overall? Does it come with the add on dlc installed? I'm curious because I love Batman anything and if it's worth it to get the remastered versions I'll go ahead and get it in the future. I just wish they'd included the Arkham Origins game with this because although most people I've spoken to like it the least as well as most reviews I've read online, it's actually my favorite among the 3 originals and I have yet to play Arkham Knight but plan on getting the complete version as soon as possible. Please let me know if you think it is worth it or I should pass it up since I have the originals. Much appreciated to any replies. Later!
Good god, the framerate on the PS4 version is shockingly bad.
EpicPanda111 played at half of the speed lol
pc version at half speed = 30fps, ps4 version at half speed = 12-15fps
The video is slowed down here giving it a choppier appearance than normal.
On ps4 is 30 on xone is 20
even at half framerate, PC footage still looks smooth, ...Console is a slideshow.
and you can see that difference still if you play the video twice as fast.
I prefer the original one, done
Just because you prefer the original, doesn't mean it's better. The remaster CLEARLY looks better.
@@arcticwolf6402 the only problem with the remaster imo is the frame rate
I like how he avoided Hugo’s beard and eyebrows😂
The lighting and color changes make the graphics look worse on the remaster.
Also, check out the hair quality in the remaster, it looks god awful compared to the original.
Why did you include comparison of the cutscenes on PS4 and XB1 if they're pre-rendered? :S
wonder how the wii u version stacks up
PC + Sweetfx = way better remaster
shiki1991 shiki1991 i disagree
I like how catwoman looked in the original version her costume looks weird in the remastered.
I think she looks sexier in this than the original
Good overview. In my opinion, the "upgrades" don't justify the performance cost.
The color contrast swap us just AWFUL
The "extra details" missing in the PC were included with PhysX enabled.
1:08 Why is there light inside the closed safe in the remaster?
3:20 The carpets are in the PC version, and they can be interacted with as well. Are you using an AMD card? Because with Nvidia cards, PhysX settings at the rugs and allow feet to move them.
Some of the faces look really plasticky, but I think it's just cause the way the lighting was redone, it just feels like it was a tad rushed in some areas (mainly indoor) and they didn't take enough to make it blend into the environments as well as it did in the original.
So the remaster has much better materials, and some of the lighting is pretty well improved. It also has warmer and more saturated colors, though I don't like the warmness myself. I also think the bloom effects on the remaster need to be dialed back a bit. I don't care much for the artistic redesign, but for the most part is a slight improvement, most notably in clothing materials.
I have to say I really like the work they did in remastering the games, are those improvements or this "remastered version" ever going to be released on PC somehow?
Hey... Rage for Xbox 360 is now on the retro-compatibility for the Xbox One.
Has the potential to run better... Will you review it ?
This is like a fan-made HD texture mod that just replaced things because they're higher resolution and not because they're artistically cohesive.
Actually real fan-made HD texture pack looks better with original lighting xd
5:56 Look at PS4 Harley's choker lol. Also, I like her messy eyeshadow from the original version, it heightens her mental issues somehow. The PC version's mood is so fitting for the game, Xbox and PS4 don't have any.
Anybody else notice batman's cape is slightly off center when gliding in the remaster? In the original his feet line up with the bottom of the Cape and now the feet are slightly to the left
It would be nice to get a comparison with phys on high. The rug appears with phys enabled as well as more particles look up some videos and you will see what I mean.
They took a big slice out of Harley’s “cake”, it’s criminal.
The main thing I noticed was how much smoother it looks on PC, the PS4 version looks like a jittery mess when you see them side by side. 3:40
The outdoor sections seem to be absolutely stunning - the soft light effect from the helicopter search light is a clear example of the step up.
The rest, however, seem like useless tweaks. The close-up details in the game were always pretty bad, and this port seems to keep the trend going. An upgraded PC version would make for nice screenshots, but I don't see the point of re-releasing games that were already in HD in the first place...
that rug really ties the room together
is it just me or the color shades of the original looks much more better and fitting than the remastered?
Yea
I prefer the blueish/black filter of the original, looks more atmospheric and wintery.
I think everything pointed out as missing in the remaster is likely due to this being on console. I'm assuming the PC remaster, if it ever gets released, will have the missing light shafts and depth of field effects.
What about Nvidia PhysX? Why you didnt review that? I remember that physx in arkham city was a big selling point for nvidia back in the day. Consoles run on AMD chips, does consoles have physx effects in remastered?
The remaster is not... so bad as I thought. Some things are clearly better in the remaster. But I reject some decisions they made, mainly about the light filter and some characters. Anyway.
Owning the original game, this remaster gives no heavy reasons to be bought.
Looks great but it changes the atmosphere, it doesn't feel like Gotham as much... too colorful. Just me? No?
When you compare beginning scene with catwoman, you pointed out that there are no carpets in pc version. That is not true. You have to turn physx effects on and then they even have cloth effect.
Why you not compare the physix effekts there are also missing in console version?
Even if they have it in 60 fps the changes are completely unnecessary. The original was good enough. They try to fix what is not broken.
the remastered ps4/xboner ports are in 30 fps not 60 fps
Harun Suaidi To be fair. The ps3 wasnt exactly playing at max settings.
They probably only did it to be able to have a "New graphics engine" sticker on the box or something. Casuals will eat it up...
I think these ports are to appeal to those who don't have it on previous gen consoles. The updated (or as you guys keep on saying, downgraded) visuals are just a bonus imo
There are no losers with this game.
Just got it on whatever you own no mather what it is, PS3, 360, X1, PS4, Wii U, MAC or even the PC
CodeNameZ Daisy!
There are losers. Ps4 and Xbox One users.
Mc Bon-bons How? They are still getting a great game + free DLC
sub 30fps = you lost
CodeNameZ sorry XB1/PS4 and partially X360/PS3 all are 30fps but 360/PS3 don't suffer from shit graphics tweaks. PC wins cause 60 and honestly looks better.
So, the Diashow Mode is also new on the PS4?
Is there still strategic butt covering in the remaster? The omission would clearly be a step up here.
strange, I feel like the Ps4 seems less fps than pc in this video
with drops to 20fps according to their peformance analysis video... so not even locked 30
What are "Next Gen consoles"? Those are old 2 years now.
Filip Petrović the game ran at a locked 30 fps on PS3 and 360, there is no way in hell the game should be dipping down to 10-15 frames per second.
Turn up brightness.
Boom, remaster done.
Textures and lighting are amazing! I REALLY don't want to buy a ps4, is there any way this will come as an update or even paid dlc in the future for pc?
Did devs fix the frame-rate performance? Does anyone know? thanks!
PC FTW looks better and 60fps makes it a big WIN on PC and you could pick them up for under $5 every few weeks when it comes down.
+The Deadly Gamers Nvm, it's fixed now. The problem was in Windows 10, it needed an upgrade, but I heard some people still having performance issues with it even on good rigs.
PC Master God.
No words about Physx effects ?
But they could not present the same effect as physically present in physx with other technology?
***** So that mean what ? There is any equivalent ? or not at all?
Yeah, why wasn't mentioned in the comparison? I'm disappointed :/
What's up with the Shrek light color?
What about the Physx extra effects? Like the paper on catwoman's intro
Love how the remaster's running at barely 20 fps in most comparisons. lol
I doubt the "remaster" version have PhysX features because it's Nvidia's tech, plus console CPU can't handle them.
I'm pretty sure the rug was there on the PC version during Catwomans intro / fight. Maybe only when PhysX was enabled though.
Every steam sale the batman games sell for only a few bucks each.how much will these remasters cost ?
or you can just, you know, get a shader injector like sweetfx or reshade and a texture mod for free
Would have rather a straight port of Asylum, City and Origins, rather than this 'remaster' of just two of them.
Origins wasn’t made by Rocksteady that is why it wasn’t included.
thtas sad cos i honestly enjoyed origins
I'm kind of surprised you guys didn't pick out the hair as a point of contention. The hair is noticeably worse in all of the footage of the remaster. look at 00:56 and 01:12 or both the hair and the jacket fur at 01:19 Good comparison overall though. If anyone has somehow not played this game, definitely pick it up.
Really, it not being 60fps should be a dealbreaker.
I recently just beat Arkham City on my PC at max settings 60fps, and boy does it look really pretty, *especially* at 60fps.
Does the PS4/Xbox One have any of the nvidia physx stuff as well? Because it was so awesome playing as catwoman and flipping around in the vault with all the money flying around, or the part where Penguin fires the freeze gun. At max physx settings, it was pretty cool.
nice Video
pc still winner if u have not played pickup the game on its cheap too
PC wins imo, because textures and lighting are a draw, both have good and bad scenes. Framerate & resolution PC clearly wins. Anti-Aliasing is really bad on Ps4, PC is miles ahead.
So overall, PC is still better, especially if you have a monitor/TV with 1440p+.
PC wins because 60 fps.
Lets not forget, phyxs, PC wins
Jackseptic eye dude you're an console peasant who don't wanna accept the truth. LOL
'pc still winner'... if you are blind. Since pcucks are blind can't argue with you.
The carpet and other stuff in that room is adden in if you turn on Nvidia PhysX I think.
aside some texture-effects changes in the remaster, with sweetfx/reshade you can make the PC version look almost like the remaster and better in a lot of cases
2:23 Batwoman???
Lmao. That stutter all across the ps4 version is fucking nauseating. Holy shit I feel bad for anyone with a ps4.
Ps4 games are good but the remaster was a big waste of time
What kind of remaster looks more last-gen than last-gen?
You focused on Hugo Strange's coat instead of his beard?
Why they felt the need to change anything at all is beyond me. We didn't need these sorts of "enhancements" for the God of War, MGS, or Team ICO collections last-gen - why do we need them now? We know the games are old, we know they won't stack up to newer games in terms of graphics, and we don't care. All the changes do is make it look slightly prettier while killing the performance and changing the original intent of the developers. Who would want this? Why would WB spend more money hiring this new team to "upgrade" the games when it would be much cheaper to just port the PC version to PS4 and XO, which would undoubtedly run better and look exactly like the original version? Fans would be happy the games were untouched, non-fans would appreciate the smoother performance, and WB would have higher profits due to the decreased costs. Everybody would be happy.
Sean Barker MGS 3 Snake Eater DEFINETELY needs a remaster, its a PS2 game...
Sean Barker Well, first they aren't the original creators, secondly this can be related to the hardware archtecture of the consoles being an AMD, so as the game was an Nvidia game, some features like gameworks and other dirty things maybe could not be implemented on the console or they were simply too hard for the consoles to run.
German Lehmann We already got a remaster. Came out in 2011. Graphics were unchanged from the original PS2 version, it just ran at 60fps. No one had a problem with it, because we all knew it was a PS2 game from 2004 and it would look like that.
Sean Barker I was talking about the remaster on the fox engine, the one Konami decided to release for Pachinko machines
Marcelo Tezza I know they aren't the original creators. That's the point. They're changing stuff that Rocksteady put in for a reason, which I would argue they don't have the right to do. Arkham City is a work of art; art should not be changed after it is released, certainly not by people who had nothing to do with it.
As for the Nvidia stuff, if you can't find a way around it on the hardware, then don't include it. That would be fine. Hell, it would probably just mean better performance.
The PC version is running @1080p. The PS4 pro version is running @4k. The PC version on your video is not at max settings since the carpets are missing. Carpets should be there at very high settings with Physx turned high. I also noticed that tessellation is off on your PC version as the ice scattered at the front of the courthouse are not popping out. What you've use may very well be just medium settings of PC version, not Max.
I want to hear from digital foundry ehat is means to have a 8.4 teraflop ps4 pro.
impressive work guys!
We all know Catwoman looks good in any quality 😏
Damn right
One thing that got botched in the remaster was the game over screen for Scarecrow, specifically where he teleports in the darkness.
In the original, his eyes would turn off when he teleported, making it surreal and creepy. In the remaster, you see glowing eyes at all times, which ruins the immersion of the scene.
How can i play Arkham City on XBox one ?
Guys please a video of how this runs now on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro!
I like Catwoman's face in the remaster, but I miss her suite from the first on. They gave her a more silkey texture with the new one, where the original was more fiber textured. First one was definitely a better rendition in my opinion.
Personally I liked her suit a little bit more in certain aspects on the remastered version, it looked more shiny and latex than the original.
It showed off the curves of her body better, also with it being more detailed.
As for her face, I like the original more as the remastered version looked more yellowish and less cold and natural.
The clothing textures are better in the remaster whilst everything else is better in the original. The darker lighting and realistic looking character models set a nice tone for the game.
4:03 its clear that the Remaster Version is overall an upgrade in graphics. I played the remastered version on PS5 and later this year the original PC version. And I was missing the visuals in the remaster version at some point while playing the PC version.
At 2:24, he say "Batman's cape and Batwoman's too". I don't remember Batwoman being in either
I like the look of the remaster better. I hop it makes it way on PC on day.
I'm sure mods exist for the game
So glad I skipped on this. Also sucks that they didn't include Arkham Origins.
Origins was a great game, nd i personally dont mind that they reused the environment and combat systems at all, I am a huge Yakuza series fan, and they reuse things wholesale between games. A remaster of Origins would have been a great opportunity to fic a lot of the issies from the original release, there is a very good game and story underneath the shit coding.
Why they did'not show physx effect in PC version
Can you download catwoman on the ps4 version?