The History of the BMW M5's Engine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- Throughout the years, the M5 has gone through quite a few different iterations, and with that, BMW has brought new engines to the M5, and because it's so much larger and heavier than the M3, the M5 has almost always used larger engines.
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There's one important fact you neglected to mention. With each successive new engine, they became less reliable, more prone to ridiculous failures and more difficult to repair. Unlike Toyota/Lexus, which has figured out how make reliable, high performance, aluminum block engines, BMW has yet to do so. As a former BMW tech, my personal preference is for the Eurospec M88. With a little tuning it can put out 350HP and decent torque, which is all the chassis is capable of handling safely. With forced induction, much more power is available, but not very useful except for getting into trouble, either with the law or one's life.
The E 39 M5 is indeed a timeless design and holds up even more, plus that V8 sounds gnarly!
can you do this with the v12 amgs?
A proud daily driver of a 2010 M6 S85 - red is 8,250 not "almost 8,000". In terms of conrod replacement every 80K miles, you have to pay to play.
My e60 m5 still on original rod bearing with 150,000 miles
You don’t have to do it every 80,000
@@The_North0 It may not have spun a conrod bearing yet, but it is certainly pumping bearing material through all the oiling passages and bearings in the motor.
@@charleswarriner5121 depends if you let engine warm up before driving away.. which is why most do this ! most dont have patience for this
S85 V10 "and it's actually not bad on fuel efficiency" LOL
Tell that to my valet. 10mpg average and I'm not joking. Usually I don't even make 200 miles on full tank. But who cares? Once you behind the wheel nothing matters.
No radio needed just the incredible sound of V10.
s85 v10, period!
Your kidding, may sound nice but a heap of junk.
@@lukesandahl6752 I had one, just about everything about the car was an issue. Gearbox, engine even electrics. Yes the sound was good but not worth the misery and expense. I replaced it with the F10 M5 which was, in my opinion and experience was simply a far better and faster car.
Love to see you feature bimmer barn’s clips. That engine rebuild and swap was a great series into the touring!
Wow, this was an awesome video! I have a S54 E46 M3 and I always thought it was ONLY inspired by the S52…well I was definitely wrong. It was super cool to learn about the M88/S38 and how that really was the inspiration and prequel to the S54, 10+ years in the making!
S62 is better than S63, sound and response are so good
Love the s85 but you gotta treat it like an exotic worth all the money in my opinion
I made the mistake of getting rid of my E39 M5 years ago. It was truly a special car.
Nice video, very informative. I have an e60 m5, it's a thrill to drive when it works properly
''when it works properly'' !!!!
What’s the issues you are having?
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Wish the M5’s V8 was still naturally aspirated.
B58 for the win…Turbo In-line 6 life…
V8TT is great but not fantastic for long term reliability. You also didn’t mention the S85 thrust for eating bearings…Hello from NZ…👍
S58 for the win
That NA 5.0L V8 is my favorite bmw engine.. v10 OK but love V8s
Thanks Ric I learned a lot about bimie motor
S85 you have to warm up the engine
e60 m5 is on my bucket list of cars, yes they might be horror shows, but come on, v10 why not
They are not as bad as ppl make out if you change the oil every 3k and do proper maintenance.
They are a specialist car that needs specialist attention and maintenance, sadly many people ignore this.
I don't believe that the S38B38 wasn't brought to the US because of emissions. Compared to the B36, it has coil on plug ignition, less aggressive cam timing, and better catalytic converters. In 1993 BMW only sold 236 M5's for North America, and at that point had already committed to not bringing the new E36 M3. The writing on the wall was clear, BMW of NA wasn't selling enough M cars to justify the cost to keep bringing in new models, thus they didn't do the R&D to make the B38 compliant. There was no M car for sale in the US in '94, and the '95-'99 M3 was not choked by emissions either, but by cost cutting to make the M3 more appealable to the US market.
The S85 is both the best AND the worst engine BMW ever made. It is also the last M5 engine that had the authentic M character. After they went turbocharged with the S63 it became just about power and little else. Even the old non-M straight 6s sound better than the current F90 M5 it is sad tbh.
In terms of combining performance AND reliability, the E39 was the last of the truly reliable M cars. Everything since then has been a reliability disaster.
Tbf, the sound is mostly worse due to the emission regulations with a nice exhaust setup the F90 can sound pretty damn good for a TT v8 that isn't tuned to ridiculous power figures.
That said, it doesn't sound nearly as good as any Pre-turbo M5 engines.
Also, the F90 isn't terrible reliability wise.
@@omnihein9322 The f90 is still to new to be sure how it will hold up in the long term. Once they start reaching 10 years old and there are many with 100k+ on the odometer we will know for sure. But previous versions of the S63 engine haven't got a good rep durability wise. And thats before we even think about the insane amount of electronics there are to go wrong in an F90 M5...
my favourite engine overall is still the s38. its the simplicity for me
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THERE WERE THESE M SPORT MODELS BACK THEN?!?
Will there be another M5? Or an i5M or something?
the next M5 will be a Hybrid V8 or something like that
@3:52 your showing a S38B35 i stead of a S38B36....
wpuld loove to see a s58b38 a b58 engine thats 3.0 bored and stroked to 3,8 lit,,that would be awesome.
" the Emissions detuned the engines power. Means the horsepower was lowered"
The same can applied to the V8s of the USA in the 1970s, 80s, and also 1990s which , in the 1970s for example, a Cadillac V8 500 Cubic Inch's power was lowered to around 200HP when it was her higher than that in the 1960s for example.
Again. B.S. Emissions.
Could have used hemp fuel but its gonna be sad when the o layer goes.
Now its the other way around, us is getting all the cool stuff and europe is stuck with 4 cylinders and diesels 😂💀
E39 M5 for life
I turbo s52 swapped my e39.. over 600 ft # and h.p. , bmw should have offered it as a option from factory (532)
4:26 I hear this from, like, everyone*!!! 😁
*(almost😋)
S54 video we need it
Please redo the dt466 video. You missed as much as what you covered. Plus the weight comparison was wrong
S62 gets my vote , S85/S63 are more powerful... but fragile
Naturally aspirated has time and again proven its the best way to go. If you really want to achieve the same power of todays cars, without spending a fortune and being at the mercy of a dealership when it comes to programing modules, i still prefer the s62 with a supercharger. Turbochargers even though produce nice power, reliability nor maintenance is as good as supercharger. E39 m5 was the most perfectly balanced set up. There was actual synchronization between you and the car.
Agreed. Naturally aspirated S62 in the best looking 5 series body ever!!!
Over 8000.
Not nearly.
Over.
S85 factory redline is 8250rpm.
New engine are way more complicated to fix even it has massive power .
But I still prefer S38B36 for reason .
S63 and s85
Yes and the S62
The S58 is used in BMW SUVs? Yeah the X3 M and X4 M. They will not give the 5-series an inline-6 top engine. The S68 V8 will be the next M5 engine, with a caveat. It first saw use in the X5 M60i, X6 M60i and X7 M60i and now in the 760i xDrive. I assume they had to make a new engine for meeting Euro 7 emissions standards but of course it's overall a better engine too. For example the Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT with its 650 hp V8 is not available in Europe anymore because the engine doesn't meet the Euro 7 standards and they didn't design a brand new engine. I applaud BMW for making a brand new V8 in these times, although sadly the M5 will be a plug-in hybrid, for fuel economy and emissions and to be more powerful at the same time, but it will increase the weight massively.
We don't actually have the equipment to build the car as we have designed it. It's difficult. Si we convert it into a bike v10 out here in Bangladesh. . Bike name .. ladesh v10 . Will release 2024. Cant wait .. Im the desiner of the headlights. Im using white bulb ... Megatron looks.
S38B38
I like how he glossed over the fact the S85 is also the least reliable engine in the history of all ICE engine ever lol. The v10 in the car in that sound clip likely had to have a full rebuild after that clip
Lol so we're not going to talk about all the S63s that spin bearings and/or lock up? S85 gets a bad rep from owners not warming up their cars, if you beat on a cold engine of course you'll eventually have issues
They are bad but they're not THAT bad lol if it's serviced well you should get 60-80k miles out of them between rebuilds and yeah thats crap for a normal engine but for a 500hp NA motor that revs to 8k its maybe not so bad. You have to remember its an exotic race engine built from the ground up, it is similar to what you might find in a Ferarri or Lambourghini for example but placed in a 4 door family car.
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The days when engines looked great.
Uhhh s85 dont have problems?
M88/3 looks like the 2JZ
The next gen m5 will have a 4.4 twin turbo hybrid, should be exciting
M88/3 is the daddy …
Joke of the century "S85 engine is not actually that bad on fuel efficiency" You cannot be serious???, by far it is the one of the BMW worst engines when it comes to fuel efficiency even in V8 configuration when two cylinders are turned off. You obviously never owned one. On top of that they made small fuel tank.
lol m5s performance is better than the m3 its the track that separates the two
How are you going to say the m3 has better performance than an m5? Laughable.
S62 'decent fuel mileage'. Nah
Well that'll always depend a little bit on your driving behaviour. But 12l/100km on a landscape road should be possible with the standard setup...