Dallas rangemaster treble booster + Supergroup On Bass channel + SG/P90 = Lord Mighty Iommi .... all the issues that Lyle appoints will fade away with the treble booster and bridge pickup ... for the master of reality tone, roll off the bridge pickup tone knob... if the amp does not sound flooppy and dark, it won´t interact as intended with the booster like on War pigs, hand of doom...etc...
Had one of these in the late 70s/early 80s. Loved it, cant remember what happened to it though! Great amp though, Always felt like it was about to blow up. Along with Marshall Plexi i have also lost track of :-(
Hi there, you are wrong about Lyndon Laney never playing on stage, He was in a band called Band of Joy in the mid to late 60's (he played bass and needed an amp capable of the sound and volume he needed. Other players heard them, and asked for there own to be built, notably Tony Iommi. Lyndon decided that his future was building amps, not sure what happened to the singer or drummer in Band of Joy, any one any idea if John Bonham or Robert Plant stayed in Music
Lyndon Laney played bass guitar in a band called 'Band of Joy' .. He started building amps as he couldn't get a sound he liked out of anything around in the Birmingham area of the UK at the time.
I have a LA30BL and I love it so much. Basically the reissue of this head. What’s funny is that all the “bad things” the amp produces are the ones I probably like the most. I put a fuzz face into it and it’s simply magic, with all those ghost notes and things. It could be weird sounding, but definitely it’s an amp with character and personality, that’s the point to me. The only thing I would improve is the eq pots response, especially on the low end which is quite brutal.
r.e. your critisism of having to duck down to see the position indicater - these were designed to be ontop of two 4x12 cabs. At head height making those positon indicators actually in a perfect position 👍🏻
Once again, Lyle, you've caused the scales to fall from my eyes; all these years, I'd been under the impression that Laney had pioneered the large, unbypassed cathode resistors that rendered 'the tone of doom', and that Marshall had subsequently nicked the idea from them...now, I'm not sure what to think...
Just a thought for the owner, keep the channel 1 bright switch, but use the second as a faux jumper switch. I did this on a amp saved messing about with an external cable. Love the tone demos and videos :)
Or you could use a switching input jack on the ChB (Dark channel) to automatically split the signal off to both channels..... Here's how it works. : Plug you guitar into ChA ( bright ch.) Channel A's input jack sends it's signal to both, its drop down res and then grid, AND it'll also go to CH B's switching input jack. CHB's input jack, since there is nothing plugged in, will then send the signal on to it's drop down resistor and onto its grid. SO... you have both channels running off the same input signal. SO how do you run ChA and CHB separately? Simple ...As soon as you plug a guitar into ChB, since it has the switching input jack, it will disconnect the signal from Ch A's input jack. allowing you to run just ChB. VERY easy mod, no extra holes, no need to loose the functionality of the switch you were talking about disabling AND cosmetically it looks bone stock. I did it to my 69' Supergroup and I love it. ALSO....Since plugging into CHA's input jack means you will automatically send signal to ChB you will need to turn down ChB's Vol. pot if you want to silence ChB. Supereasy though and dead quite.....
What were the pot values and tapers on this amp that are causing issues? I can't find a schematic of this particular, tubes down, 50 watt model; but most 60 or 100 watt later era Supergroup schematics I've seen have the usual Marshall arrangement: Hi Gain - 1MA, Lo Gain - 1MA, Treble - 250kL, Middle - 22kL, Bass - 1MA, Presence - 5KL. Though I've seen some others that list the volume pots as 500kA.
I believe he mentioned the Treble pot sounded funny. He removed it and found it to be Audio taper... and he probably changed it to Linear Taper.. He also mentioned changing the Presence pot to 25k...
What I really like is that you take on amps that are not always great vintage. With your privilege of hearing so many great amps you can make a mediocre amp and make it great. I hope the owner makes this amp great sounding. It too flubby, spongy, and fizzy for me.
Seems like the knobs should be swapped out for some Fender-style knobs with the numbers on the rim (brim) of the knob. Or at least put a dot of Sharpie or paint on the knobs to serve as a "pointer".
It has less filtering than a 5F6A Bassman? I find that to be silly. Well, that what you get with copycats. A parts cannon, a lot of enthusiasm and a poor understanding of what works.
I know why it doesn't sound good, it's a Laney, I have one and I hate it. The 4x12 cabinet sounds good, but not the amp, I built a Dukane 1u460 innto a super reverb that sounds way better.
I have a problem with “vintage” being used in place of “old”. Some old amps and guitars are just old. Nothing special. Others have unique period of high and unique quality; to me that is vintage.
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Dallas rangemaster treble booster + Supergroup On Bass channel + SG/P90 = Lord Mighty Iommi .... all the issues that Lyle appoints will fade away with the treble booster and bridge pickup ... for the master of reality tone, roll off the bridge pickup tone knob... if the amp does not sound flooppy and dark, it won´t interact as intended with the booster like on War pigs, hand of doom...etc...
This amp sounds Superb imo , love the fat fuzz tone it gets with your beautiful SG.
iommi played single coil pick-ups and treble booster!!!
He did indeed! Later on he switched to the high output humbuckers with old boy.
The second channel with the bright cap on sounds great! I heard this in the last video.
Had one of these in the late 70s/early 80s. Loved it, cant remember what happened to it though! Great amp though, Always felt like it was about to blow up. Along with Marshall Plexi i have also lost track of :-(
Hi there, you are wrong about Lyndon Laney never playing on stage, He was in a band called Band of Joy in the mid to late 60's (he played bass and needed an amp capable of the sound and volume he needed. Other players heard them, and asked for there own to be built, notably Tony Iommi. Lyndon decided that his future was building amps, not sure what happened to the singer or drummer in Band of Joy, any one any idea if John Bonham or Robert Plant stayed in Music
Was he 4 foot tall? Cause only Frodo could read those knobs on stage.
Can it peel the paint off the wall?
Lyndon Laney played bass guitar in a band called 'Band of Joy' .. He started building amps as he couldn't get a sound he liked out of anything around in the Birmingham area of the UK at the time.
I have a LA30BL and I love it so much. Basically the reissue of this head. What’s funny is that all the “bad things” the amp produces are the ones I probably like the most. I put a fuzz face into it and it’s simply magic, with all those ghost notes and things. It could be weird sounding, but definitely it’s an amp with character and personality, that’s the point to me. The only thing I would improve is the eq pots response, especially on the low end which is quite brutal.
2:49 They probably meant for that amp to be on top of two 4x12's
Yup just what I was thinking
Keep going you’ll get it.
r.e. your critisism of having to duck down to see the position indicater - these were designed to be ontop of two 4x12 cabs. At head height making those positon indicators actually in a perfect position 👍🏻
That 'mushy' breakup is actually sort after especially from Sabbath fans. And that Ghost noting is gorgeous
Once again, Lyle, you've caused the scales to fall from my eyes; all these years, I'd been under the impression that Laney had pioneered the large, unbypassed cathode resistors that rendered 'the tone of doom', and that Marshall had subsequently nicked the idea from them...now, I'm not sure what to think...
Just a thought for the owner, keep the channel 1 bright switch, but use the second as a faux jumper switch. I did this on a amp saved messing about with an external cable. Love the tone demos and videos :)
Or you could use a switching input jack on the ChB (Dark channel) to automatically split the signal off to both channels..... Here's how it works. : Plug you guitar into ChA ( bright ch.) Channel A's input jack sends it's signal to both, its drop down res and then grid, AND it'll also go to CH B's switching input jack. CHB's input jack, since there is nothing plugged in, will then send the signal on to it's drop down resistor and onto its grid. SO... you have both channels running off the same input signal. SO how do you run ChA and CHB separately? Simple ...As soon as you plug a guitar into ChB, since it has the switching input jack, it will disconnect the signal from Ch A's input jack. allowing you to run just ChB. VERY easy mod, no extra holes, no need to loose the functionality of the switch you were talking about disabling AND cosmetically it looks bone stock. I did it to my 69' Supergroup and I love it. ALSO....Since plugging into CHA's input jack means you will automatically send signal to ChB you will need to turn down ChB's Vol. pot if you want to silence ChB. Supereasy though and dead quite.....
What were the pot values and tapers on this amp that are causing issues? I can't find a schematic of this particular, tubes down, 50 watt model; but most 60 or 100 watt later era Supergroup schematics I've seen have the usual Marshall arrangement: Hi Gain - 1MA, Lo Gain - 1MA, Treble - 250kL, Middle - 22kL, Bass - 1MA, Presence - 5KL. Though I've seen some others that list the volume pots as 500kA.
I believe he mentioned the Treble pot sounded funny. He removed it and found it to be Audio taper... and he probably changed it to Linear Taper.. He also mentioned changing the Presence pot to 25k...
What I really like is that you take on amps that are not always great vintage. With your privilege of hearing so many great amps you can make a mediocre amp and make it great. I hope the owner makes this amp great sounding. It too flubby, spongy, and fizzy for me.
Nice combo - Laney/SG = Tony Iommi
Seems like the knobs should be swapped out for some Fender-style knobs with the numbers on the rim (brim) of the knob. Or at least put a dot of Sharpie or paint on the knobs to serve as a "pointer".
Sag Hag
"Shaky Cam" ... :-)
Knobs for very short people! Lol
So wrong, and so right at the same time.
It has less filtering than a 5F6A Bassman? I find that to be silly.
Well, that what you get with copycats. A parts cannon, a lot of enthusiasm and a poor understanding of what works.
I know why it doesn't sound good, it's a Laney, I have one and I hate it. The 4x12 cabinet sounds good, but not the amp, I built a Dukane 1u460 innto a super reverb that sounds way better.
The only Laneys I know of are cheap acoustic amps.
I have a problem with “vintage” being used in place of “old”. Some old amps and guitars are just old. Nothing special. Others have unique period of high and unique quality; to me that is vintage.
Good job on this crappy sounding amp. Not your fault this thing sounds like ass of course.