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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2017
- Update with new WR (4:55.913): • Super Mario Bros. TAS ...
Comparison video of the current world records of SMB.
TAS (Tool-Assisted Speedrun, human playing with emulator assistance, not in real time) WR: • NES Super Mario Bros. ...
RTA (Real Time Attack, human playing in real-time) WR: • (4:56.878) Super Mario...
The timing difference makes RTA record seem shorter than TAS record, but still, it's close enough.
TAS saves time in 1-2, 4-2, 8-1, 8-2, 8-3, and 8-4, using faster acceleration, going through the wall, flagpole glitch, etc.
TAS is NOT programming.
None of the two runs uses "cheats" of any kind. If you have questions, watch darbian's tutorial: • [Tutorial] Super Mario... - เกม
![[TAS] IWBTG Impossible Glitchless any%](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rYIyL4JmA_E/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] NES Super Mario Bros. 3 "arbitrary code execution" by Lord_Tom in 08:16.23](/img/n.gif)
Guy: Does very precise jumps and times things very well
TAS: *goes through wall*
and now they go through the walls (search somewes WR speedrun)
It's not even that for me, I mean the TAS made about 10+ fast acceleration pipe jumps and backward bumps because it's still gonna make the frame rule, it's mad
I can do more.
Pap
TAS Bot did flipping Wall Jumps on 8-2
Imagine being so good at Mario you are almost exactly the same as the most optimal frame perfect inputs by a computer
2 yr edit: I know the tas is made by a person but the computer is the one that inputs the button presses
Well, theoretically optimal frame inputs, it hasn't been proven they are perfect
Well nearly 3 seconds behind, but yeah still pretty crazy
Well they are technically inputs by a player, TAS just executes them
Also, why that profile picture? :/
@@biohazard9215 okay technically a human input the commands beforehand, but that's like someone telling their friend how to get from their house to yours. It was still your friend/the machine that performed the inputs.
Also because an AI generated it for me and I liked it so I'm using it as my profile picture
It’s a good pic
3:31 TAS out here wall jumping before it was even a mechanic
Darbian wall jumps in 8-4 aswell!
@@NotBroihon That was run from 2016, the TAS from HappyLee was from 2011. A 5 year standing difference! We might be getting 4:54 later this year who knows!
@@vu5523 yeah, 4:54 seems to be very likely. This is an insane development. Not to mention that the TAS is tied up to 8-4 now...
@@NotBroihon now we got it
@@vu5523 we got it!
3:29 look at the clouds
SpiderArtMC cool
Wow
Woah
WHAT
TRIPPY
This TAS guy seems to have every world record lol. I wish I could be as good as him.
lmaoooooo
典型的な仮定法である。
wooooshed so hard lmao
Lol_hax it is a person but with the help of a machine. He recrate the scenes fixing normal human mistakes and make it perfect (Obviously he needs a lot of tries to make it perfect). A TAS can take a month to be finished.
r/Wooosh
mother: dinner is ready
darbian: 5 minutes
-Darbian, we have to go in 5 minutes.
-Just let me finish my game.
adeeb UNORIGINAL SHIT COMMENT
@@user-if1rc5si8r koło
*Ok you can copy my homework but dont make it look like its the same*
seems legit
I changed the colors slightly, that should be fine.
lol
G_Boy don’t give me the flashbacks to when I let people do this and I got in trouble for cheating.
Aay, 1k like even though nobody really cares. 😁
5:22 the blocks in the middle of the screen match up so perfectly its amazing
The same thing with the clouds most of the time
Almost Match Up Because The Right One Is A Frame Late
Darby is a learning computer created by CyberDyne and sent back in in time to crush Mario ...and then John Conner
Also they are in pair with DataDyne. Cassandra DeVries is in on it too...
AriocKaichi DataDyne was Perfect Dark right? I freaking loved that game on 64!
D'arby the gambler?
Ryroe are you gonna call or fold
Ryroe
*snaps fingers*
GOOD-U!
GO AHEAD, MISTUR JOESTUR!
When you’re wearing headphones and the music is not synced
*CONFUSED SCREAMING*
can agree
can relate
Yeah I thought my headphones were broken or breaking for a minute
3:31 WTF how did he wall climb?! 😱
Tampatec pixel perfect and frame perfect inputs. Easy for tas, but nearly impossible for tas.
Skycloud I think you mean humans
4:36
When you jump at a wall, Mario's position updates every frame based on his momentum until he reaches the wall, (I don't know the actual numbers but for example's sake) say he's moving 4 pixels forward every frame, if he's 1 pixel away from the wall, on the next frame he'll move forward and end up 3 pixels inside the wall, and then the game will detect he's in the wall and on the next frame after that, it will try to eject him.
The game has 'floor detection' every 16 pixels vertically (which is why there aren't any slopes and every block is the same size) so if the player jumps into the wall at a 16 pixel boundary, clips into the wall, and IMMEDIATELY jumps on that same frame before the wall ejection happens, the game will consider Mario to be standing on the very edge of a 'floor' but that's more than enough to jump off of, so you can do a frame-perfect jump off the wall.
If you play the game enough you can actually experience this by running and jumping at a wall over and over again, most of the time Mario will just hit the wall and slide down it smoothly because he impacted the wall in such a way that he didn't clip inside it, or, he didn't clip inside it at a 16 pixel interval, so the game ejected him without him touching a floor. BUT, occasionally you'll see him hit the wall, catch against it briefly, and THEN fall, that's when a wall clip happened, the brief catch on the wall was when a wall jump is possible.
tasvideos.org/GameResources/NES/SuperMarioBros.html#Walljump
think of the 8-4 walljump, but a lot more frequent. Extreme pixel and frame perfect inputs.
5:05 人がTASを超えた魅せプ
Mosnter
TASの方がよっぽど人間らしい瞬間
もうわっけわかんねぇな
TASの方がタイム早いぞ？
@@user-vu2ss7hp2q 早い遅いじゃなくてハンマーの間をすり抜けたってのがすごいってことだよ
This just in: Darbian is actually TASbot disguised as a human.
XD
ユージオ 語録使ってホモじゃないって言ってる兄貴オッスオッス
ガチ勢ヒーローズ こんな所のコメントを読んでくれる優しい兄貴がいるなんて…ありがとナス！
Bell
komentoありがとナス！！
JAPAN
Most speedrunners compare their splits againt their PB.
But Darbian has pretty much gotten to the point where he can compare his splits against the TAS.
Metashrew what is tas?
@@PMSTTR thank everyone for answering your question
@@PMSTTR It's tool assisted run, yea not TAR dont ask me
@@meetlawf3238
Tool Assisted Speedrun
@@meetlawf3238 yeah but what is tas not what it stands for
looks like a glasses commercial
right-before
left-after
π = 3.14159265358
Seems legit
Lol
Baldigamer100 VR 3.1415926535897932384626...
For those who don’t know why the TAS gains almost .35 of a second of a second on some of the end of levels, it’s the 21 frame rule
So imagine a certain four wheeled method of transportation…
its so closly timed i can cross my eyes and watch them both neck to neck
davidevgen ikr it's like 2 Mario's trying to race each other
Yep. pretty much :P
davidevgen yo holy shit i didnt think that could work lmao
I still don't know which one is the winner lol
HIIIIiiiiIIIII
Darbian broke 2 things that day.
A world record
and
....His camera
GabrielsGaming19 lol
GabrielsGaming19 He didn't break the camera: he was just joking!
DJ Incendration thats the joke
and his muscle
But really, that was it.
0:49 damn, this TAS guy really be showing off
Yeah, he's joking around and he's even in the end 2.85 seconds ahead, he's a beast, sadly he doesn't like to show his face.
TAS is (Tool Assisted Speedrun) its nor runned by an A.I
r/woosh
CopiedFile woooosh with four o’s
im pretty sure the subreddit is 2? right? r/wooosh
5:07 Rip facecam :(
Try watching the video while crossing your eyes like you would for cross eye 3D. It just shows how neck to neck they are.
Solrex the Sun King That was amazing, never would've thought of doing this, really nice
Solrex the Sun King good idea it works fine
Solrex the Sun King wow that was smart
holy shit thats incredible
I think I can see the matrix.
Thanks for sharing the way to super powers.
You don't realize how long I've been waiting for this comparison. Thank you!
We now know that the mysterious "TAS" is actually Darbian.
JSSTyger dude its happylee
@@user-bp8xl1uq4m r/woooosh
Speed runners: *Skips all the castles execpt world 8*
Toads: "Am I a joke to you?"
@Ground Zero look when it was written
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
why isn't there a comparison of heart rates in this?
MMQuck because the tas was done over weeks or months
no it was done in 4:54.03. it says rite in the video... gosh so dumb.
Someone has no idea what a TAS is
um i kno who TAS is. not personally, but i kno hes a guy whos really good at evry game and everyone always steals credit for his videos and posts them to their own channels.
I had a feeling you might be trolling and now I'm sure. GG dude xdddddddddddddddddd
3:33 lmao tas mario wall hopping as if he's a ninja
SuperSaiyaman3 jumping*
the videos are resynced at the beginning of every level for those of you who are clearly unable to realize that, the actual time difference is listed in the bottom center
love the idea with the stereo sound, really helps keeping up with how they compare!
Hmm, how common is it that human players pull off the wall jump in 8-4?
Common enough, because it saves plenty of time. I think all speedrunners who can do sub 5 minutes can do that.
How many frames do you have in SMB?
Gameboygenius enough.
Gameboygenius frame perfect and pixel perfect.
Good luck lol.
It's not _as_ hard as it sounds, but it's still difficult.
TAS what the fuck this is not fucking megaman 3:31
fun fact: wall jumping works on any wall in super mario bros and super mario world afaik, and walljumping is even possible in mario maker. Of coarse, for the most part, wall jumping is a TAS exclusive.
BlueSodaify it was waiting for the bullet bill in style
Eldar Iskanderov it makes you think life? What?
Especially if it's three consecutive wall jumps while dodging Bullet Bills.
BlueSodaify No it in fact, is faster.
Peach: MARIOOOOOOO HELP MEEEEE
mario: Ok give me 5 minutes
I grew up playing this game but I didn't think it was possible to clear the whole game that fast , fucking amazing!!
Watch the clouds.
Cool, Right?
Holy shit.
What? I don't see anything.
It looks like they go from one screen to the other.
Ocean Prince
No
Now watch the bushes at 0:13
Same thing, different color.
Cool, Right?
Well, we'll still all be dead when the machines rise up, but we will be able to match them toe-to-toe at the final showdown.
RarefoilB not if we have EMP BOOMS
the tas bot its just tanking the piss, dont even bro, dont even try to compare, look at all the crazy shit the tas bot was doing.
if the final showdown is no-hacks super mario bros with darbian (pretty sure he's our only hope?)
２秒差ってやば試行回数すごいんやろうなぁ
I love how he makes the theme with the controller near the end of lvl 1
Whoa, nice to see this. My own is almost done, I'll let you know when it is. Thanks for dropping by -- your SMB1 video got me into TAS in the first place!
Thanks for your comment. I got inspired by your comparison, and realized some people might be interested in watching it, so I made my own version. :)
Tool assisted? Explain what tools were used then to make it easier. Gameshark?
Frame advance and savestates. Frame advance lets you play the game frame-by-frame (really, REALLY slowly) which allows you to do all kinds of crazy shit that you see in every TAS. Savestates allow you to save the game's current state anytime, and also allow you to return to that state anytime. This means that every time you fail to do something, you can always retry without having to restart the entire run
Lord Marcus norma ya tejidos
These two vids need to be overlayed onto each other. So we can see exactly how close they really are.
Josh McElroy if you see my other comment, it explains you can overlay them yourself by doing Cross Eyed 3D. A bit finicky, but it works.
@@Solrex_the_Sun_King That's bad for your eyes
Butthead first: needless necroposting. Second: Prove it, butthead!
@@Solrex_the_Sun_King It isn't needless and I shouldn't have to prove something to you that should be basic common sense.
Butthead that’s what everyone says when they don’t have proof LMAO
人間とTASさんを見分ける方法
ケツ走法の有無
Your profile pic, *I WANT IT*
VbgVbg 113 weeb
LukeReacts I still wannit
HUGE ANIME BREASTS
Kotonoha Katsura i see you’re a fellow man of culture
5:07 Me when teacher is sick and class dismissed
🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
5.07 rip right headphone
Rip= w=
รัชชานนท์ โสธรรมมงคล next time do 5:07
thanks man, now I know I've been putting my earphone in wrong ears
รัชชานนท์ โสธรรมมงคล fix it
shanawaz patel lmao use left-right speaker test, search it on youtube
For those wondering, the time difference is because of the way the end of levels transition - they act as "buses" that "depart from the station" at set times. So although Darbian is often a bit slower, they "catch the same bus" to the next level.
To all extents and purposes, Darbian's run is 'perfect' under the current strats. It is ridiculous accuracy and consistency.
“Current strats” best way for a comment to age well
3:32
Darbian: Ok lets concentrate for this pixel perfect frame perfect super precise timing trick.
TAS:
I don't get it at 1:09 They went in at different times but the second screen popped up at the same time?
Bowser: How.....did you get here so fast?! I literally kidnapped her 10 minutes ago!
5 minutes
You tried
Sanic powees
Flame Fusion
Cya!
5 minutes. This isn't a hard joke to pull off.
This was interesting to see because it shows how the frame rule comes in to play. Darbian lost time on every level, but due to the frame rule he was "tied". Very interesting.
he was only tied on some levels. he lost a frame rule on many levels.
Oh shit I forgot about that. I thought the editor lined up the level starts or something!
The OP *did* edit the TAS video so that it was in sync with the RTA video.
hmm I guess that is why I cannot understand most of the things that happen. What is the frame rule?
Super Mario Bros times can only be improved in 0.35 sec intervals. Quirk of the original game
2:33 画面右真ん中ノコノコ｢解せぬ｣
lol
I wish I knew Japanese
On the TAS run what is the difference between it's time and the RTA time in parentheses?
What even are hitboxes
Is this a serious question?
Michael Sabsabi No. Why would I ask that if no one mentions hitboxes?
***** I said no.
MMJZ dude it's a joke .-.
the hitbox for an obstacle is the area defined such that, should the player enter it, damage is dealt.
I think all hitboxes in this game are rectangles, because it simplifies calculations.
当たり前のように壁を抜けるTASさん
旧粉もんふれんず United饅頭 セコいすねw
United饅頭
初代マリオで壁を抜けるのがTASさんの仕事かもしれない
日本人がいた時の安心感
ふれんず粉もん その後ビックリ壁キック
日本人いたんだ。
That's *REALLY* creative to separate the two audio channels into the left run and the right run, I wouldn't thought to do that... :D :)
I like how there didn't need to be a resync after 1-1 because despite the slight time difference, the frame rules kept them on pace.
It looks like they completed at the exact same time but still there is difference of 2.83 seconds in time how ?
HaSeeB MiR He paused the TAS version every level, if it got faster than the RTA version. This is make a better comparison.
look on the TAS timer it turns red every time he pauses that video (between levels) the level difference shows up on top and is added to the overall difference at the bottom.
The TAS is actually gaining a little time each level, but the videos are re-synched at the beginning of each level.
No, it's re-synched by the game itself. The game only allows a gameplay length of each level to be a multiple of 21 frames. You can search "21 frame rule" for more information.
OK, you are also right. Indeed, every level is re-synched even if there is actual difference in time.
Would it be possible for a human to get the wall clip in the beginning?
Theoretically, it's possible
Yes, but extremely difficult.
yes, but it would require many tries sinse this is from an ALL in one run
MarshMallow Mate Anything a TAS can a human can. But the TAS has the advanrage of retrying.
The Diaz Not quite, TASes do utilize precise inputs that are impossible to replicate on a controller, like tricks that press both left and right (or up and down) at the same time. Not to mention, certain RNG manipulation.
この時代から壁キックってあったんですね（）
3:31
RTA & TAS...
Can someone explain to me what are those?
I can see that they almost the same timing, but what does that mean?
Miguel Vitela TAS is a programmed robot, and the speed run on the left is humanly impossible. The one on the right is the world record from a human
Nobody mentioned it.. Or at least i didn't see any.
Thank you for the audio split.
Right ear: DESTROYED
5:06
I can't help but feel this guy is a huge pussy
Lol i was using wrong my earphones
Why the Pallets of colors seens different?
It’s insane that darbian is 2.5 seconds within the possibility of how fast he can beat the game
These camgirls making their face cam so big
can't even see the gameplay 😤
Gemiinii_ Ikr
holy shit what a cool man
Gemiinii_ I liek ur picture ;)
So manly
KingPun thought this whole comment was a joke but ok.
Time to redo this! Darb just set a new record!!
*Congrats man!*
Where does Darbian lose time in 8-2?? It looks like he does the bullet glitch perfectly?? Someone please explain! 🤞
Guyz just imagine the reaction of princess when Mario saved her after 5 mins being kidnapped.
That was insanely close. Very impressive!
I gotta say, for only being around 3 seconds behind a FREAKIN' TAS, darbian is pretty darn good!!!
i like how the TAS noise is in the left ear and real human in the right
"I definitely pulled a muscle there."
3:31 tas literally just executed 4 frame perfect wall jumps man im dead 💀💀💀
Note that after each level they edited the TAS video to pause until the exact moment where Darbian started the level. Yes it was close, but unlike the video, it was 2 seconds apart rather than the couple frames we saw in the video.
What is the difference betwen tas and rta ?
Stevinho17
RTA (Real Time Attack) is a human playing the game in real time, like what you see darbian doing on the right.
TAS (Tool Assisted Speedrun) is when someone goes into an emulator, frame by frame, recording theoretically perfect inputs. A TAS is supposed to show the theoretical best time possible.
My right ear kinda enjoyed it
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way that anybody can get a better time than Darbian is to either activate glitches in 1-2 and 4-2 (which might not be humanly possible) or to have a quite literally perfect run in 8-4?
That record is his forever, isn't it?
Darbian has already done most of the things that are humanly possible. Some tricks are just too hard.
the 1-2 and 4-2 clip are sub-frame perfect if I recall,the additional flagpole glitch at 8-1 and 8-3 are not humanly impossible to set up efficiently,and you need to have lightning fast reflexes to improve 8-4,so the record is gonna be darbs for at least a few years
Happy Lee if anyone was to break the record, it would be Darbian. Though seeing these, I just might take a crack at the record and see if I can replicate any of this
+Heather W It is only a matter of time before someone decides to finally attempt to grind out a run closer to what the TAS looks like using the wall skip glitches.
Even if the accuracy of such a trick is incredibly low, It will be done eventually after enough people attempt it. [Or some set up is discovered for it to make it more reliable]
Heather W actually someone is gonna beat his score in ten years or so because, did you know that our seconds are actually going slower per year? This is because you know how when you spin, when you put your arms out it slows you down. But putting them on your chest makes you spin faster. Its like that for earth. Our buildings we made actually slow down the earth! So the more building we make on ground, the slower earth spins, and the slower time is. so actually, world records we have today probably aren't the REAL world records. It really could've been a record that was set 50 years ago.
How is the time difforence 2 seconds he hit at same time
This is really great! I really mean it, and by and about what!Admiration for youYour videos!
3:32 early wall jumping!
When you play “Player Vs. Computer”
why did darian jump at second warp pipes?
That total prayer jump through Bowsers hammers was such a perfect way to cap off that run. This run was literally just beaten by the same guy just recently BTW.
Nobody:
Darbian: I don't even know what Jelster means
*BowSeR:eXests*
Mario: four,take it or leave it.
why when tas is ahead the rta run loads faster 3:06 4:17 is that what the time difference is?
The video has been edited so that both runs start each level at the same time, for easier comparision.
There is also a "21 Frame Rule" in the game. After each level, the game can only continue to the next level every 21 frames. So if the TAS beats a level on frame 1 and RTA on frame 20, both of them have to wait up to 21 before the next level continues. So that's another reason why it would seem that the TAS is ahead by more.
Tip: Cross your eyes 'til both footages join together, then enjoy watching *2 Marios* in the same level.
Peach: Do you think you can come over?
Mario: B there in 5
Monday 8th of April TH-cam algorithm show me that
Congratulations 👏🎈
its very interesting that despite the limit we pushed so far
we still have something to improve
I dont think this is a fair comparison, because he is using an NES controller and the TAS is doing a (correct me if im wrong) fast accelaration glitch, which cannot be done on a NES controller.
Ahh did you pause the TAS at the level transitions so they would sync better?
Yes, some of them, that's where the time difference comes from.
Happy Lee you know this kinda ruined the purpose of the video right?
How is rta clock off but they are mirror rta is ahead
Wait why did darbian do the backwards jump when the wall clip is known to be better?
It looks like that TAS needs some tweaking to incorporate some of the RTA strats to shave off a little more time here and there.
It was recorded in 2011, have there been any improvements made since? With a game this popular I would assume there have been progressions in the past 5+ years.
A Hedtke nope this tas time still wr
Rsps Vids - then like I said, I saw probably a dozen places where what was done in this RTA run was slightly more efficient and might be used to shave off at least a few more hundreds, or even perhaps tens of seconds altogether.
A Hedtke such as? You must be more familiar with the game than me, because I found none.
CScottyW - There were several points in the runs were the TAS was ahead by a second or more, and somehow in the RTA he manages to close that gap.
It is the strategies in those particular scenarios that might prove to have some improvements in the TAS.
Not talking about entire stage splits here, but 5 to 10 second blocks of play where the RTA manages to outperform the TAS.
No, there were none.
The guy in the video is Darbian, He's an amazing player!
Go to his channel and watch his speedruns, are incredible
Why is the guy on the right loading levels faster?
How is that 2 seconds faster they started and finished at the same time?
Whenever the TAS gets ahead the left screen gets paused for a few 10th of a second so that the two runs are in sync. Note the time difference in the middle of the screen.
2:11
Why does Darbian jump? Couldn't still save a frame rule?
Audi It’s harder (and not any faster) to turn around at that part in real time.
Does he lose some time at 4:07? It looks like the block stops his horizontal momentum but idk if that's avoidable w/o TAS. Sorry I'm new
No he doesn't. There's a thing in SMB1 called the frame rule. Basically, the game checks if you've finished a level every 21 frames. So let's say it checks on frame xxxxxx01 and frame xxxxxx22, if you actually finish the level on frame xxxxxx08 you'll still have to wait for frame xxxxxx22 before it goes to the next level. That's why you only see time increments of 0.35s in this video (or multiples of that), except for the 8-4 level where frame rule doesn't apply.
At 4:07 Darbian does that bonk on purpose for whatever reason (not sure why exactly, but he does it in every single run) but avoiding that bonk wouldn't save a frame rule anyway. You can see that the TAS does save a frame rule in this level, but TAS uses additional strats like the way it gains speed at the beginning of each level by jumping backward (which is doable to some extent by humans, but not as perfectly as the TAS does it). To my knowledge no human being has ever managed to save that framerule yet, so it's not likely to see this improvement included in runs anytime soon.
Oh, I was curious and searched for Darbian's old pastebin which has additional info about that bump in 8-3:
"**Q: Wait, he totally messed up in 8-3! He bumped into a block before hitting the flagpole! I could've done that better!**
A: Unless you're a TAS-bot, no, you couldn't've. Darbian has to stop
there so that he doesn't land on the flag while the timer has a 3 at the
end of it, which would've triggered 3 fireworks and lost him
considerable time. If you are a TAS-bot, though, you can finish the
level with 244 instead of 242 through some much harder fast acceleration
strats."
pastebin.com/Gyg1XA6U
thanks man that explains a lot!
So thats why the tas bot couldnt do the flag trick in 8-3. Thank you
It still can, but it would result in 3 fireworks.
There's only 1 Koopa on Darbian's screen at 4:35 , but the TAS shows 2 - what caused the other Koopa not to spawn for darbian's playthrough?
At 1:24 tas seems to not take any damage from the piranha plant being that low over it which gets me thinking if he’s a hacker or not
No hacks, the hitbox of the plant is much smaller than the sprite.