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I smoked a joint. Went outide for a workout. And didnt stop cause i was high and didnt feel any pain. I ended up doing more than 200 curls with the same weight. My arms are in a lot of pain. Its been 2 days.
@@El-Arca_Del-Pacto same thing, you know what worked belive it or not, I had this gold bond "pain relief" foot cream within a hour I started to loosen up by the second day of using it I could actually move loool
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What kind of doctor or practise are you running? I have bicep tendo and need to visit a local doctor who can help with ultra sound as I have been in pain for 3 months now and nothing is working
Thank you for your time, and very good visuals. I injured ( I believe this is what happened ) my bicep tendon at work using a long shafted floor scraper, and will be seeing a Dr. next week for an evaluation.
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My issue is that sometimes when my upper arm is straight down and my hand facing up I get a popping sound as I curl up across my body that seems to come from the lower bicep to crook of the elbow
Does power twister and occlusion training cause pain in bicep tendon and shoulder, cause recently I started doing occlusion training and also power twister right after occlusion training and after that at least for an hour my bicep tendons and shoulder hurts pretty badly and my arms also shakes when I m holding something like glass of water so I don't know if its normal
I can't tell if I have this or not, everytime I work biceps, I squeeze, stretch at the bottom and control the weight with good form. but only my lower bicep area gets sore, I don't think it's on the tendon and it goes away after 4 days like a regular muscle, but the peak doesn't ever get sore, is that normal? (i'm scared of tearing bicep doing preacher curls)
Ive been doing these excercises you prescibed for at least 12 weeks now. I couldnt curl over 15lbs and now im at 45. But, the pain still persists. I cant contract the bicep all the way. Is it because i am using heavyier weight than i shoudl be?
Get a bar heavier on one side. Elbow against side of body, 90 degree and neutral grip knuckles facing away from you. Slowly supinate then use other hand to bring it to start position. Can do same just pronate. Use different arm / elbow angles and straight arm as well
I have been waitering and holding heavy trays and plates on my right arm for years. That arm is noticeably bigger than the other one (biceps got stronger throughout the years). I fucked up the tendon on my weaker arm because i kept pushing with pull ups and weaker arm's tendon was suffering. Now i started a gym 2 years later and pain is still returning, but i'm being careful. I removed pull ups from my training routine and i am doing a lat pulldown with neutral grip because it doesn't put a lot of strain on my tendon. But the biggest problem for me is bicep curling. I just cannot find the alternative for it. What would you recommend, what should i do? I started focusing only on my weaker arm now. I have this 7 liter gallon of water at home and i've been holding it on my weaker arm for the past few days, pretending that it's a heavy tray. This balancing will sure take some time, but i feel like i am doing it incorrectly.
Hey there! I've had pain in my lower arm in the inside AND outside for years now every time I start training more (doing pullups etc.) and I just can't get rid of it... This is the first video that somehow describes the are where it hurts me and I was wondering if there are any other exercises that you can do to make this better?
Probably depends on your age. I am closer to 50 and my pain hasn't got better in a year. It started from pullups. I can't do them or bicep curls really anymore. I tried the online rehab exercises but nothing helps.
Thanks for the video! I've been having pain there for about 4 months, and it especially hurts in pronation. I'm icing daily and have been doing PT exercises regularly as well. At this point should I just continue on my path? Or consider PRP or steroid injection? Potentially surgery?
How are things turning out? I injured left bicep in 2018. Crazy painful after 3-4 years no more pain but Still can’t fully pronate and lateral elbow pain. Left bicep has it going on 2 years. Can’t pronate fully and any probated movement with elbow bent hurts
@@Capadona40 Maybe 75% healed, but not perfect. I still can't do all the exercises I want, but thats ok. Rest seems to be the key for my healing. Way more than PT.
How’s your pain? Also, is it just painful while trying to lift or do you feel pain in general while just living life? I think I curled to much weight now my right lower bicep is in pain while I curl but after I do some lighter weight and get a pump going the pain goes away (only during a pump). Is this similar to yours?
My pain is now completely gone. I'll be honest, the physical therapy and exercises did not do much for me. Resting it, and only doing exercises that didn't irritate my bicep was the key. @@ImReallyGoingUp
I thought I injured my bicep tendon; however, based on the anatomy depiction you placed on your left arm. I think it's actually the aponeurosis. (Medial side of left arm, anterior side, in front of elbow) While training Jiu-Jitsu during a sparing round (roll), My arm was in an awkward position (Not a submission). I did this to myself during movement. I felt a pop in my left arm. I had no bruising or deviation in the position of my bicep. I had a few days of pain that subsided. A few weeks later, I'm now noticing the Tendon or aponeurosis is swollen and noticeable when I move my arm compared to the right side. Pain only with direct flexion of that muscle Ie. Bicep curl. I'm wondering what this might be. Thank you.
Excellent video, described exactly my problem. My question is what I should do, and what not in order to heal it? I know that I injured my tendon six months ago by using very strong elastic bands during my biceps curls. The pain is not very strong, but it doesn't go away either. I think that playing guitar is making it worse, since I feel stronger pain after playing ( left hand, after pressing chords for a while forearm rotation hurts but only for a brief moment). I stopped execising two months ago, and I stopped playing guitar too, but I am still playing piano. Light pain appears occasionally, I am not sure what I can do and what not to do. It is really frustrating, cannot play guitar, cannot exercise. What to do to heal this? Will complete rest for a few months help? Anybody here with similar experience?
I fell in the shower, and extended my right arm to brace myself. I noticed some discomfort in the distal bicep area. I didn't think anything of it at the time. Then about a week later, I still felt discomfort, but also noticed swelling in the area where the distal tendon connects to the forearm.
@smaragdchaos I did everything as usual except i didn't carry anything heavy. Used the other arm for carrying heavier items. It gradually got better over 3 months.
I’ve had surgery for tendonitis but still am unable to fully extend my arm at the elbow. I had sixteen weeks of physical therapy with very little result. I try to do one handed curls on the machine that puts some extending pressure on the inner elbow hoping to stretch the tendons but its very painful. Can you suggest some therapy that might help
I get sharp pains in that area when the lower part of my arms are pushed or flexed in too far. Makes it hard to fo top buttons up or wash my neck in the shower. Could this be the problem?
Yup same as me ,now the sharp pain stopped after like 8 months but I still have ache in the place , cant flex bicep,just about flex tricep when I do bicep feels weird n reckon if I do a dead lift pew goes left arm 😂 all this an no initial accident just started getting sharp pain one day and hant even been training at this pain for months ! Good luck 💪🏾
bicep curl then pronated forearm when lowering weight. Did this 2x and was like nope, then stopped. no immediate sharp pains just over all finished the days workout. 2 days later I have started to feel pain around the inside on my arm between my Supinator teres and my Brachioradialis. no tingling in my hands or fingers. I can curl normal. But when pronate my palm over or hammer curl I get pain back in the area again. threshold of a intense 8. any thoughts?
Hey John, i have the same issue in my left arm. I think for me, it was the day I overdid my preacher curls. Has it healed completely for you? I was told it would take a minimum of 6-8 weeks to fully heal. How are you holding up?
Facing exacty the same issue after intense workout.. X-ray shows no sign of damage.. I am on complete rest since past 6 weeks.. I see no improvement whatsoever till now.. Can you guys share what helped you recover from it?
@@sumanshrestha4511I haven’t fully recovered yet but eccentric curls with only light resistance from your other hand with minimal pain 2 sets of 7 a day and isometric bicep contractions without pain in the extended range ie under a table hope this helps bro
What I found helpful was doing one set of very high rep biceps curls every day. Use a very small dumbbell or an adjustable dumbbell handle with no weights attached and aim for 100 or so continuous reps but stop if the tendon feels like it is about to start hurting. Try to add more repetitions each day but do not strain.
@@areebhussain321 ended up doing routine of freezing cold water in kitchen sink with frozen water bottles and dipping full arm 4 times per day fir 2 minutes each and massage afterward with frozen water bottle. Took about 5 weeks to be 100%. Feels great now!
I am feeling this exact pain.. 3 months after radial excision.. sugery.. I can lift a 5kg dumbell but anything beyond that feels painful.. On the inside joint of elbow.. How long does this take to heal.
@@notme_1128 i started playing tennis in 4 months.. with little pain for strengthening my arm, and now its like 90% of what it used to be.. But after radial head removal, i cant supinate/pronate 100%.. Its like 80%, which isnt a big deal for all practical work except doing full supinated curls or pronated tricep pushdown. I guess we learn to live with it and be greatful.
Same a lot of curls and chin ups. How long did it take you to fully recover? I stayed out the gym 2 months . Went back to the gym after my MRI and the doctor cleared me. and was fine for about a month working out mainly doing push movements, and then I re-injured it about 30 days later doing chest flys . Been off that arm for another 2 months and 15 days now. I just don’t know when to start back working out lol
@@deucetv22 I know it's frustrating. You wanna work out but at the same time you don't wanna re-injure either. Yeah, I was in this vicious cycle of ups and downs until I eventually went to a physical therapist to analyze what was going on and get me on the right track to proper recovery.
i just had this the other day and its preventing me from lifting weights. i really do want to start lifting again, anyone knows hownlong these usually last for?
my pt told me to rest them at least 3 weeks, and that doing extremely light weight curls can speed up the healing process. 2 weeks into it now, but honestly feels like this is gonna take longer for me.
@@purrfect6257 dude same here its almost two weeks now. Its nowhere near being healed. I really hate it just when I was into lifting and working my body to the fullest this happens. I really do hope Ill still have the same motivation as I did once everything is back to normal.
@@purrfect6257 Im also starting to see some bad changes on my body. I really dont want to put all my past hard work getting my body into shape go into waste. Hoping for the best for us dude
@@marcq4775 definitely be careful, I ignored this for a couple of months (basically felt pullups curls and rows all mainly in my elbows) and losing muscle as a result really sucks. Wish you the best.
cool drawing, but how about more info on curing it? especially what can someone do at home?
I've watched numerous TH-cam presentations on bicep tendonitis, and yours is the most informative. The visuals were great! Thanks!
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Fantastic content, love the drawing you really helped me pinpoint my problem. Thanks.
I appreciate the effort of drawing out the muscle.
This is the most informative video that really explain what I am suffering of.
Nice anatomical art
what is the best therapy post surgery to repair a complete distal tear and repair. How long before I should start any PT?
very good this .... thank you
I smoked a joint. Went outide for a workout. And didnt stop cause i was high and didnt feel any pain. I ended up doing more than 200 curls with the same weight. My arms are in a lot of pain. Its been 2 days.
Litteraly did the same, how long where you in pain, this is my 3rd day
@@hadesfiness631 i was in pain for 5 days. Couldnt even hold my phone for 5 min or my arms would cramp
@@El-Arca_Del-Pacto same thing, you know what worked belive it or not, I had this gold bond "pain relief" foot cream within a hour I started to loosen up by the second day of using it I could actually move loool
@@El-Arca_Del-Pacto u ok after 5 days right ?
I love working out after i smoke
Fantastic video with great visuals! Liked & subbed - suffering with distal biceps tendon pain - very informative! 👊🏾
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I came here for my bicep pain. I stayed for the amazing artwork!!
How long do it take to heal and is there a faster way to heel
What kind of doctor or practise are you running? I have bicep tendo and need to visit a local doctor who can help with ultra sound as I have been in pain for 3 months now and nothing is working
Hi - Does icing it help? Or just rest?
How do you treat it?
You mention about your previous video of biceps aponeurosis but I couldn't find it. Could you please share the link?
I 100% have that exact issue as well speak . Help me fix it or what can I do to get it back to normal with no pain ?
Thank you for your time, and very good visuals. I injured ( I believe this is what happened ) my bicep tendon at work using a long shafted floor scraper, and will be seeing a Dr. next week for an evaluation.
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My issue is that sometimes when my upper arm is straight down and my hand facing up I get a popping sound as I curl up across my body that seems to come from the lower bicep to crook of the elbow
Does power twister and occlusion training cause pain in bicep tendon and shoulder, cause recently I started doing occlusion training and also power twister right after occlusion training and after that at least for an hour my bicep tendons and shoulder hurts pretty badly and my arms also shakes when I m holding something like glass of water so I don't know if its normal
I can't tell if I have this or not, everytime I work biceps, I squeeze, stretch at the bottom and control the weight with good form. but only my lower bicep area gets sore, I don't think it's on the tendon and it goes away after 4 days like a regular muscle, but the peak doesn't ever get sore, is that normal? (i'm scared of tearing bicep doing preacher curls)
Ive been doing these excercises you prescibed for at least 12 weeks now. I couldnt curl over 15lbs and now im at 45. But, the pain still persists. I cant contract the bicep all the way. Is it because i am using heavyier weight than i shoudl be?
can a biceps strap help with this problem?
Does bicep tendinitis ever mask itself as tennis elbow?
Besides assisted biceps curls, What specific exercise targets rehabilitation of supination of the biceps ?
Get a bar heavier on one side. Elbow against side of body, 90 degree and neutral grip knuckles facing away from you. Slowly supinate then use other hand to bring it to start position. Can do same just pronate.
Use different arm / elbow angles and straight arm as well
Yes! I have this for sure….persistent…seems to never heal
So how to I rehab the radius tendinitis?
I have this problem but also tendon in my shoulder aswel hit with double wammy
I have been waitering and holding heavy trays and plates on my right arm for years. That arm is noticeably bigger than the other one (biceps got stronger throughout the years). I fucked up the tendon on my weaker arm because i kept pushing with pull ups and weaker arm's tendon was suffering.
Now i started a gym 2 years later and pain is still returning, but i'm being careful. I removed pull ups from my training routine and i am doing a lat pulldown with neutral grip because it doesn't put a lot of strain on my tendon.
But the biggest problem for me is bicep curling. I just cannot find the alternative for it.
What would you recommend, what should i do? I started focusing only on my weaker arm now. I have this 7 liter gallon of water at home and i've been holding it on my weaker arm for the past few days, pretending that it's a heavy tray. This balancing will sure take some time, but i feel like i am doing it incorrectly.
Oh, wow, hurt your elbow doing pull ups just like me. Been toughing it out for years. It's impossible to find amything useful.
Hey there!
I've had pain in my lower arm in the inside AND outside for years now every time I start training more (doing pullups etc.) and I just can't get rid of it...
This is the first video that somehow describes the are where it hurts me and I was wondering if there are any other exercises that you can do to make this better?
Probably depends on your age. I am closer to 50 and my pain hasn't got better in a year. It started from pullups. I can't do them or bicep curls really anymore. I tried the online rehab exercises but nothing helps.
Dude you are colossal Titan 💀
Thanks for the video! I've been having pain there for about 4 months, and it especially hurts in pronation. I'm icing daily and have been doing PT exercises regularly as well. At this point should I just continue on my path? Or consider PRP or steroid injection? Potentially surgery?
How are things turning out? I injured left bicep in 2018. Crazy painful after 3-4 years no more pain but Still can’t fully pronate and lateral elbow pain.
Left bicep has it going on 2 years. Can’t pronate fully and any probated movement with elbow bent hurts
@@Capadona40 Maybe 75% healed, but not perfect. I still can't do all the exercises I want, but thats ok. Rest seems to be the key for my healing. Way more than PT.
How’s your pain? Also, is it just painful while trying to lift or do you feel pain in general while just living life?
I think I curled to much weight now my right lower bicep is in pain while I curl but after I do some lighter weight and get a pump going the pain goes away (only during a pump).
Is this similar to yours?
My pain is now completely gone. I'll be honest, the physical therapy and exercises did not do much for me. Resting it, and only doing exercises that didn't irritate my bicep was the key.
@@ImReallyGoingUp
I thought I injured my bicep tendon; however, based on the anatomy depiction you placed on your left arm. I think it's actually the aponeurosis. (Medial side of left arm, anterior side, in front of elbow) While training Jiu-Jitsu during a sparing round (roll), My arm was in an awkward position (Not a submission). I did this to myself during movement. I felt a pop in my left arm. I had no bruising or deviation in the position of my bicep. I had a few days of pain that subsided. A few weeks later, I'm now noticing the Tendon or aponeurosis is swollen and noticeable when I move my arm compared to the right side. Pain only with direct flexion of that muscle Ie. Bicep curl. I'm wondering what this might be. Thank you.
bro me too but it was weightlifting. what did you do to fix?
cool drawing
Arm pain when I twist arm like to look at my watch is this it?
Excellent video, described exactly my problem. My question is what I should do, and what not in order to heal it? I know that I injured my tendon six months ago by using very strong elastic bands during my biceps curls. The pain is not very strong, but it doesn't go away either. I think that playing guitar is making it worse, since I feel stronger pain after playing ( left hand, after pressing chords for a while forearm rotation hurts but only for a brief moment). I stopped execising two months ago, and I stopped playing guitar too, but I am still playing piano. Light pain appears occasionally, I am not sure what I can do and what not to do. It is really frustrating, cannot play guitar, cannot exercise. What to do to heal this? Will complete rest for a few months help? Anybody here with similar experience?
Try eccentric bicep curls very slow reps
@@user-ic9ly3ch6f Thanks
did this work?@@thewanderer011
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I fell in the shower, and extended my right arm to brace myself. I noticed some discomfort in the distal bicep area. I didn't think anything of it at the time. Then about a week later, I still felt discomfort, but also noticed swelling in the area where the distal tendon connects to the forearm.
Hey, have you found a solution to your problem?
@smaragdchaos I didn't do anything. Over time it got better.
@@ritchie9872 Did you have to rest it or did you do things as usual?
@smaragdchaos I did everything as usual except i didn't carry anything heavy. Used the other arm for carrying heavier items. It gradually got better over 3 months.
I’ve had surgery for tendonitis but still am unable to fully extend my arm at the elbow. I had sixteen weeks of physical therapy with very little result. I try to do one handed curls on the machine that puts some extending pressure on the inner elbow hoping to stretch the tendons but its very painful. Can you suggest some therapy that might help
What caused your tendonitis?
I get sharp pains in that area when the lower part of my arms are pushed or flexed in too far. Makes it hard to fo top buttons up or wash my neck in the shower. Could this be the problem?
Yup same as me ,now the sharp pain stopped after like 8 months but I still have ache in the place , cant flex bicep,just about flex tricep when I do bicep feels weird n reckon if I do a dead lift pew goes left arm 😂 all this an no initial accident just started getting sharp pain one day and hant even been training at this pain for months ! Good luck 💪🏾
bicep curl then pronated forearm when lowering weight. Did this 2x and was like nope, then stopped. no immediate sharp pains just over all finished the days workout. 2 days later I have started to feel pain around the inside on my arm between my Supinator teres and my Brachioradialis. no tingling in my hands or fingers. I can curl normal. But when pronate my palm over or hammer curl I get pain back in the area again. threshold of a intense 8. any thoughts?
Hey John, i have the same issue in my left arm. I think for me, it was the day I overdid my preacher curls. Has it healed completely for you? I was told it would take a minimum of 6-8 weeks to fully heal. How are you holding up?
Facing exacty the same issue after intense workout.. X-ray shows no sign of damage.. I am on complete rest since past 6 weeks.. I see no improvement whatsoever till now.. Can you guys share what helped you recover from it?
@@sumanshrestha4511I haven’t fully recovered yet but eccentric curls with only light resistance from your other hand with minimal pain 2 sets of 7 a day and isometric bicep contractions without pain in the extended range ie under a table hope this helps bro
@@Matissek_Official Thanks a lot.. I will definately try it ..
@@sumanshrestha4511hey bro im also suffering the same thing, has it healed for you completely?
What if It onely hurts with pull ups in pronated grip but not in Neutral or suppinated grips ?
Euhhhh dont do pronated grip and youre fine
This is good information. I have this problem on my right arm. Any tips on exercise that can expedite healing process? Thanks.
What I found helpful was doing one set of very high rep biceps curls every day. Use a very small dumbbell or an adjustable dumbbell handle with no weights attached and aim for 100 or so continuous reps but stop if the tendon feels like it is about to start hurting. Try to add more repetitions each day but do not strain.
@@bigbruvofenglanduk thanks for this tip, going to give it a try. Had distal bicep tendonitis nearly 3 months now. Thanks again!
@@bmf262001 how’s it going?
@@areebhussain321 ended up doing routine of freezing cold water in kitchen sink with frozen water bottles and dipping full arm 4 times per day fir 2 minutes each and massage afterward with frozen water bottle. Took about 5 weeks to be 100%. Feels great now!
@@bmf262001 ahh nice! Would you also reccomend just a standard ice pack? Will that have a similar effect in your opinion?
I am feeling this exact pain.. 3 months after radial excision.. sugery.. I can lift a 5kg dumbell but anything beyond that feels painful.. On the inside joint of elbow.. How long does this take to heal.
6 months to a year
6 weeks if not highly damaged
Is urs healed by now?
@@notme_1128 Now fortunately its better, can lift heavier.
@@Twenty3Rides how long did it take to heal for you? Also did you workout during healing process or took complete rest?
@@notme_1128 i started playing tennis in 4 months.. with little pain for strengthening my arm, and now its like 90% of what it used to be.. But after radial head removal, i cant supinate/pronate 100%.. Its like 80%, which isnt a big deal for all practical work except doing full supinated curls or pronated tricep pushdown. I guess we learn to live with it and be greatful.
@@Twenty3Rides glad to hear you are fine
Happened to me doing excessive chinups and dumbbell lifting over time. But mine was more of tendinopathy and not tendonitis.
Same a lot of curls and chin ups. How long did it take you to fully recover? I stayed out the gym 2 months . Went back to the gym after my MRI and the doctor cleared me. and was fine for about a month working out mainly doing push movements, and then I re-injured it about 30 days later doing chest flys . Been off that arm for another 2 months and 15 days now. I just don’t know when to start back working out lol
@@deucetv22 I know it's frustrating. You wanna work out but at the same time you don't wanna re-injure either. Yeah, I was in this vicious cycle of ups and downs until I eventually went to a physical therapist to analyze what was going on and get me on the right track to proper recovery.
@@straycats1256 thanks I think I’m gonna go to a PT myself now
He looks like Kiefer Sutherland from lost boys
Has anyone ever felt slight discomfort inside top shoulder and inside top bicep with it?
Just look into bicep tendon injuries - at long head of bicep, not distal tendon
So, long story short, for rehab, do bicep curls and focus on the eccentric
I have had this for almost a year now. I'm very tired of it.
i just had this the other day and its preventing me from lifting weights. i really do want to start lifting again, anyone knows hownlong these usually last for?
my pt told me to rest them at least 3 weeks, and that doing extremely light weight curls can speed up the healing process. 2 weeks into it now, but honestly feels like this is gonna take longer for me.
@@purrfect6257 dude same here its almost two weeks now. Its nowhere near being healed. I really hate it just when I was into lifting and working my body to the fullest this happens.
I really do hope Ill still have the same motivation as I did once everything is back to normal.
@@purrfect6257 Im also starting to see some bad changes on my body. I really dont want to put all my past hard work getting my body into shape go into waste.
Hoping for the best for us dude
@@marcq4775 definitely be careful, I ignored this for a couple of months (basically felt pullups curls and rows all mainly in my elbows) and losing muscle as a result really sucks. Wish you the best.
@@marcq4775 got this paired with scapular winging and inpingement as a result of that (is mostly fixed now) so yeah, definitely sucks