Milwaukee M18 Fuel 15MM & 21MM Random Orbital Polishers Review | Ditch The Cord!
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- Milwaukee New M18 Dual Action Polishers Full Review and Demo. I discuss in detail and highlight the M18 15MM and 21MM Dual Action Polishers and do a demonstration on a 2022 Mercedes Benz C Class.
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New to buffing and polishing cars as I own many so it's time. Thank you for making this video. I bought the single action milwaukee 7 inch polisher (2738-20) and was buffing with the wool pad. All went well with the time I had, hair was flying all over the place. Thank you for making this video!
Thx Phil. Great comparison of some great machines. I have a cordless 3" flex and pulling trigger on the M8 IN 21MM thanks to your input.
love it when manufacturers make power cords detachable
Thanks for the very thorough and informative video between the two machines. Both definitely work and look great definitely made me sway my vote for a Milwaukee in the future.
Thanks for watching!
Great video!! Love the M18 15MM. Great tool with great rotation.
Like many people I have alot of millwaukee tools so for me it was a no brainer. The polisher is definitely a favorite of mine.
thanks for sharing how much use have you gotten out of yours so far? any feedback, complaints to share with us?
Another great video Phill🤙🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
great video man, lots of good information. thanks
Glad you enjoyed!
Nice work stuff brushes on your cart. Just ordered my 21mm milwaukee. Sick of cords after 4 years of mobile detailing. Great video, thanks!
Your point as to batteries is so valid, having a large selection and availability is convenient. I just wish Milwaukee had the Flex smart charger. Cordless is so convenient being mobile and not worrying about cord is a plus. Your Flex’s nickname is the Finisher, for no stall I use the CBEAST, forced rotation
15 has been my favorite purchase this year. I have the Milwaukee eco system and I was stoked when they finally launched this bad boy.
thanks for sharing how often are you using yours and what battery size and run times your getting?
Thank you for the review brother. I’m like you, I’m already in the Milwaukee M12-M18 ecosystem, and have plenty of batteries. $299($270 with a military discount)for the bare tool is a no-brainer for me.
sweet i think these will dominate the market for cordless polishers based off their battery system and ease of obtaining them anywhere. this is where other brands really fall short and for anyone spending this kind of money you need to really consider that as a key factor in your choice of tool.
@@autofanaticcars My thoughts exactly. Just ordered the 15mm bare tool👍🏽👍🏽
Were are you able to get a 10% military discount on Milwaukee tools? Haven't been into Home Depot in a while, but I heard they stopped giving it on tools. Would be great news if that's not actually the case!
@@WayFastWhitey02 they still give military discount. 🪖
hi , I'm really into detailing and all of the fascinating tool and polishes. I wanted to get a cordless polisher to add to some of my stuff but not sure if the Milwaukee will polish like the flex xce 8 cordless or vice versa. I do not have either tool. I mainly use the g9 and sometimes a machine rotary. any suggestions between the 2 cordless?
Great review! I'm a DIY weekend warrior that just bougt the 15. I chose this over three g9.
Do you know how long the 5.0 last? I just got two 5.0 batteries and a6.0 but the 6 is so huge I'm thinking of returning that. However I heard the 6.0 gets 20 min on compounding and 40 for polishing. Please let me know! Thanks
Just got my 15mm polisher online from HD with a HO battery can’t wait to use it freshn up the look on my car
I really lucked out with the Milwaukee got the bare tool for $288 and Home Depot had some deals on battery’s so I got 3 5.0 battery’s for $200 with a charger and got the small ones in a kit of two for 99$
I'm surprised others haven't pointed it out. But you weighed the 15mm with the foam pad on it, and the others without. probably didn't add too much weight. But it may have been a little closer to just above 6lbs :)
That chatter when it slows down is the brake. It’s possible it could go out but that’s where the factory warranty comes into play
Phil, I agree. They should adapt similar tech like they did the Rupes iBrid tech with the option to use battery or cord
not sure why they do not i mean people are already paying a premium for these machines just add another $20 no questions asked unless my idea of having a plug might take away from their battery revenue who knows.
@@autofanaticcars Right? But good point on the battery revenue. Like printer ink is more expensive than printers!
Great review! I have the 15mm throw but haven’t had a chance to use it yet.
I wonder Flex is planning to upgrade their polishers to align with their 24V power tool line up? I think that would be a natural progression to answer the critics regarding power output.
I also wonder if Rupes is planning a cordless 15/21 mm release soon since they just came out with their iBrid 3 inch polisher?
not sure i think Flex main market is not auto detailing whatsoever since they cater to other industries with greater tool selection. I think Rupes should come out with them but they will be plagued with battery outsourcing and this can post an issue for margins and manufacturing where as a brand as huge as Milwaukee can easily do things all in their own factories. I doubt a company as small as Rupes can develop their own batteries and manufacture in house it's very costly for such endeavor without an existing infrastructure to support this.
A few years ago the Flex rep mentioned that every tool currently in development was a cordless tool. Implying no new corded tools coming anytime soon. You'd think that with the launch of Flex in the USA it is just a matter of time before they release new polishers based on their 24v battery tech.
Probably a lot of other more profitable tools to release before polishers.
I've never had a Milwaukee battery deplete. They're still as strong as the day I bought them. I'm getting the 21mm model. What I'm using now is untenable. I have a black 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T and it's big so the bigger surface area makes sense. I love the one step products, I prefer Griot's.
Which Griots you use(d)?
So what do you think of the flex I just bought one haven’t used it yet now you have me wondering
I received the 15 mm Milwaukee recently and used it on my C8 Corvette. The Milwaukee is far better to use than my corded Flex. Also I’m heavily invested in Milwaukee tools and have tons of batteries. I used the HO 6 amp hour battery but will certainly give the 3 AH a try.
thanks for sharing your feedback with us
How long did you HO 6 last, Thanks
I second the feedback. Thanks!
It’s gonna be a lot better than the XFE from flex.
Do you know anything about putting a 5 inch backing plate on the Milwaukee 21mm polisher?
Crazy how these non detailing related companies are coming out with cordless offerings before Rupes. I get how they don't like the ergonomics of just slapping a battery at the end of a tool, but they've gotta get their butts in gear
Milwaukee is a HUGE company with mega infrastructure, resources and global manufacturing plants. RUPES is a tiny spec compared to them. I just think these smaller companies do not have the money and capability to go cordless unless they farm everything out and that makes it hard to be competitive these days. Milwaukee factories pretty much do it all.
@@autofanaticcars Agreed, but I also think Rupes might be kicking themselves by being a bit too obsessed with ergonomics. The new HLR75 they're releasing is further proof that they refuse to slap a battery at the end of a tool and call it a day. Feel like it's making their transition to cordless a very large effort
That makes sense for sure because Rupes manufacturers everything for their equipment except the bearings and extension cords so that would be a huge undertaking for them to get into the cordless game.
As you mentioned they are only into the detailing tools.
@@autofanaticcars well said just like when playing with patents small guy corporations * you can't keep up sometimes good ideas leave you dead in the water . Rules is still gonna sell irregardless . Corded or not but I have. Ton of Milwaukee stuff with tons of batteries for a guy like me it makes awesome sense to go Milwaukee
Rupes is losing massive market share!
What polsishing pads are you using with the Milwaukee?
I'm suprise Milwaukee didn't come out with a M12 Fuel DA/Rotary Cordless Polisher that resembles their M12 Right Angle Grinder and as mentioned in the video, Aftermarket Batteries for the M12 Line are readily available everywhere.
If you were buying your first polisher and had a budget around 300 would you go with this or a corded maxshine?
I'll be going panel by panel until I gain some experience. Leaning towards this the m18 since I do have a few batteries already and maybe a Rupes in the future
Any chance you’d mind sharing what you ended up going with?
Please tell me how many minutes it can run on 6.0 battery?
How safe for the paint to polish the car outdoor?
Do you think the 15 is a better choice for a someone new to polishing?
Interested in your technique of Paint Correction. Never used your 3&1. But is it designed to do a half hood ? Normally you do a 2x2 section.. Are you changing technique do to a mobile situation vs a shop? Also I noticed you used a substantial amount of product on the pad for prep,do you normally do this or is this recommended for your product?
Hi the green pads used in this video were new and thicker foam than most i tend to use and the Money Maker 3 in 1 does not dust out like a typical polish or compound so if you load the pad up well you get a super long yield and you do not need to stop all the time to add dots of product to the pad. Since I was working in direct sun on a 90 degree day my travel speeds are much faster than usual because the hood was already hot and you do not want to overheat the paint with the machine but I only showed 5% of me polishing the hood for demonstration purposes. I like to do half the hood at a time whether in the shop or working outside mobile it speeds up productivity and time is money with customers cars. I split the hood with tape just for the demo of this video since I tested both machines to see how well they corrected. if you have any questions regarding our polish contact through our website for more support.
It’s balanced so well it takes in account for the pad.
Put a pad on it and do the test again.
Should a home enthusiast buy the 15mm and a professional buy the 21mm?
Hello, I can see that you are starting out at the lowest OPM to spread compounds, but what speeds are you using to work them in and how high is too high? Most DA videos mention single digit speed settings like speed 1 to spread and speed 6 to work them in. So I'm not entirely sure how those translate to OPM.
it all depends on the job and your experience level it comes naturally to me to work mid to high speeds and adjust my travel speed accordingly to reduce heat
sounds like my Mark 15ll, looking forward to Rupes HLR 15 comparison
Thank you Phil for the great review. Between the 15mm and 21mm Milwaukee which one would you recommend if one was to get only one and just get a backing plate of the other size?
Hi you need to decide first is this for your personal cars or to detail customer cars? The reason I bring this up is that not all modern paints and clear coats are the same some are very tough to correct and some easier. With the 21mm this will give you most flexibility and speed to correct and if you ever work on tough paint you can drop to a 5 inch pad or just go more aggressive with a wool pad like i show in the video. both are great machines the 15mm is a bit more comfortable to use with less vibration so consider this if you work lots of larger flat panels.
@@autofanaticcarsI’ve never used a polisher but I have a 9 year old truck that I would like to try paint correcting. What would you recommend? Personal use only on cars and trucks
Did you notice torque difference with 21 and 15?
Very nice overview! This is my first time watching your channel. One thing you might want to address…you might want to move your camera up, as your head was chopped off the entire video.
Which one is better the Milwaukee 2684, 2685, or 2738?
I have a Griots G9 that I haven't yet used - would you advise I get the M18 15mm model instead? I'm invested in the M18 ecosystem already & don't mind unloading the G9.
up to you the G9 is a great starter machine and has a lifetime warranty the M18 is heavier and will cut faster it all depends what your needs are.
Nice demo. What cutting pad did you use on the larger da?
I believe that was a Rupes wool pad
Milwaukee is killing it. They should make an M12 3" and 1" polisher and put other makers on point.
Where u buy the cart ?
Has anyone compared this to the Makita xop02z?
Finally your going cordless everything is cordless in this 2022
I have over 15 corded machines but the cordless ones are nice to have for quick work. I would never replace my corded machines for cordless for the type of work i do it would not make sense and just slow me down.
Have you tried the dewalt machines they are very good also
which one do you prefer 15mm or 21mm? will u do another review using 15mm backing plate on the 21mm polisher.. ive seen many people doing it in the rupes..
tough to say since I really enjoy using my Flex XFE15 i think the 21 makes most sense for me.
What speed with the 21?
Thanks for the video content. I recently ordered Flex XFE 15 150 18.0 and Flex PXE 80 10.8 on which I would like to build up my skillset and later offer my detailing services in Switzerland. Heard Flex can be a little under powered. However, once my skills develop while cars paint quality varies. Would you suggest in order to add value to my tool collecting to order 21 Milwaukee as being the better choice or still 15 Milaukee despite I already have Flex 15. The point I would like to make is to avoid buying two same tools without adding value.
Cordless is great for finishing work but one you get better you should invest in corded tools for bigger jobs
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Phil great review. I am new to the channel and compared to some others I can see that you are a true auto care professional.
I have a question, I need to do a complete from front to back paint correction on my 2006 4Runner and I am already invested in the M18 systems of tools so I have lots of batteries and I want a cordless system only, and I need a tool to polish my gel coated fiberglass front cap on my travel trail. I have to polish the cap at least twice a year because it just likes to oxidize faster than a good paint system does. Which Milwaukee tool or tools would you recommend or is there one tool that does it all or do I get the DA and rotary ?
The 15 is the safer machine to get if you want more aggressive cut you can achieve that with pads and compound. The 21 cuts faster but more vibration most users prefer the 15 as it’s easier to control
@@autofanaticcars Phil, thank you !!😀
Hi! How would you compare the forced rotation flex vs the 21mm milwaukee on heavy correction? I'm talking about the cordless flex. I'm guessing you don't have the cordless version of the flex but I saw you have the corded one. Let's say they perform the same (corded and cordless).
I own all of the Flex tools, now the Flex Cordless is smoother and quieter but does not do heavy correction that great even with aggressive pads the M18 would most likely do a better job as this demonstration video showed. You should pick one up and try it if you have the M18 system already.
@@autofanaticcars I'm taking about the flex xce 18v (the forced rotation cordless). I know the xfe (free spin) is a bit on the low correction side...I was wondering if the forced cordless would be a better correction tool...
Oh yes for sure that one is a bit better but the M18 seems more powerful and a touch heavier which would make heavy cutting quicker.
@@autofanaticcars thank you!
The chatter you’re hearing at the end is the electric brake engaging.
Yo Phil that chatter you can change the bearing on that Milly.. like the rupes. The best Italian tools.
crazy how these brand new tools chatter like that by design, kinda annoys me
Can the backing plate be removed for a smaller 3” one?
No it would be destructive and vibrate like crazy
I have the G8 and G9, would the M18 15mm would be the next one to add or the 21mm?
depends on your skill level and what your working on your own cars or customers cars, the 21 is great but might not be great for the hobbyist user. Start with the 15 and you can alter the cut with the pads and compounds you use easily.
So which one would you recommend if I just want it for personal use for my car ? 😅😅 and thanks for the video !!! Already left my like 👍🏻 😎 I’m trying to buy the M18 but I think is too much for me lol
if you have M18 tools and need cordless just pick up the 15mm version if you do not need cordless and want a simple affordable machine just buy the Griots Garage G9 polisher superb value and customer support
If I grabbed the M18 15mm, what would be the second machine you would recommend to a DIY’er for my personal cars? Something that would take 3” and 1” pads?
Brian if you want corded the best machine would be the Griots G8 or G13 if you want Cordless the Rupes HLR75 is awesome but very expensive and it only does 3 inch.
@@autofanaticcars Thank you! Very helpful. I know I want the Milwaukee because I have a bunch of their tools and batteries. I figured I could get a smaller versatile corded less expensive one or two tools for now so I have my bases covered. That way I can get some experience while I wait on 1” and 3” Milwaukee releases. Is that a good plan what would you recommend?
I'm curious how the 21 stacks up against a Rupes. I know the Rupes is considered the best but its also expensive and corded. How does the weight, power and vibration compare between the Milwaukee and the Rupes?
these are both great machines as i mention if you want cordless, if you go corded you have an abundant of options for your budget,, also do not get caught in all the hype of everyone on social media using a RUPES, its not the tool that makes you a great detailer it is your skillset and how you apply it and I personally prefer FLEX tools they are smoother and bulletproof. the M18 are awesome cordless tools and nobody else makes a duo like these.
I'm a Flex guy myself. I do have the DeWalt cordless, and a flex cordless. I had a Rupes 21, but didn't care for that size and sold it.
That "chatter" noise is just the brushless motor sound when they slow down. It's called cogging and doesn't cause any wear.
good to know but it seems all manufactures have tolerance that vary as other brands are much quieter on slow down. the M18 still perform amazing and thats what really matters.
@@autofanaticcars I bet they are using brushed motors, which are not as powerful and actually can wear out because they have brushes always rubbing on the motor rotor.
There's a bigger battery for 250 bucks that one last like 3 months.😁 My personal choice is that Makita polisher 20 years of experience.
What foam pad are you using in those video ? is that spta pad ?
griots boss pad and optipad
If you had to choose between the 15 or the 21 which one would it be? I am completely new to paint correction, and i am looking for my first tool to get started.
do the 15 always start with the least aggressive machine with detailing unless you have a lot of experience the 21 has a ton of power and can cause damage in the wrong hands.
Did you happen to try the dewalt cordless polisher ?
I have tested the Dewalt my friend has one and he does paint less dent repair and uses the Dewalt after he takes dents out of cars to polish the panels since he has most Dewalt tools it was a heavy tool and I am not familiar with their battery options but it did feel heavier than the M18
I’ve been looking to replace my Dewalt dual action with the milwaukee. Is the milwaukee light years better than the dewalt? Comparing the 15mm milwaukee to 15mm dewalt.
Love the content
honestly the real reason to sway you towards the M18 is if you already have lots of their M18 Fuel power tools, batteries etc but for you to buy a $600 kit from scratch thats a tough call really
One review compared both 15mm and he said it was very close. So like autofanatic said, if you already have one system, stick to it
Now to get the 15 or 21 🤔 already have G8, G9, and G15.
Get the 21 to compliment the other polishers you already have on hand.
So 15mm would be for someone that detail and polish personal cars?
what type of pad and product would you recommend for buffing out oxidation on a boat?
3M wool pads are best for gelcoat on boats using a rotary polisher
@@autofanaticcars well I just bought the 21mm Milwaukee so I'll have to make due... Thx for tip on wool pad... Any particular product?
how are the high out put 3.0’s on these?
perfect you can easily do one full side of the car with one battery
Hello boss, I'm very confused. I do mobile car polishing. I can't decide which model I should buy, 15 or 21.
Both because depends on your experience
@@autofanaticcars Thank you for answering my question, boss. I am a professional in this regard, but I want to benefit from your experience.
If you were to buy one milwaukee, which would it be? Im diy and can buy one of the two. Thinking 15 because of the pad size and think it may be more versatile but want an expert opinion.
15 always best choice for safer use
Great info. However, I was totally fixated on the top of the screen wondering if you'd show your head. It was like watching a closed captioned movie and just reading the words. :)
Apparently u dont know Phill haha.
Rumor has it, he has 3 eyes and only 1 tooth 😆
I don’t think Phil has a head?
Can you swap out the 6” backing plate on the 21 mm Milwaukee for the 5”?
i think you can do that i never tried on my machines
@@autofanaticcars I’ve got a slew of 5” pads, 6” diameter always seemed awkward to me for some reason. A lot less large flat panels on newer vehicles these days 🥴
yeah I just got the new RUPES HLR75 3 inch cordless and I actually paint corrected a full size SUV with the 3 inch pad it was fun
Yes you can.
what pad fit on the 21mm and on the 15mm?
can fit whatever you like the backing pads are interchangeable
how is this vs the Chemical Guys TORQ polishers?
No comparison
@@autofanaticcars you mean the Milwaukee is better? Have you personally used both products?
Yes Milwaukee is king of battery technology forget knock offs and these off brands M12/M18 power tools dominate the industry for professionals for a reason. All my cordless tools are Milwaukee and some special ones by Rupes and Flex
Where are these even available for sale?
Home Depot online and some local HD stores have stock
What pads and size do you recommend with the 21mm?
totally up to you but always start with a 6' pad since the 21 is more aggressive
Phil, i’m assuming these are all brushless motors correct???
yes but they do not list anything anywhere on their power specs just RPM
@@autofanaticcars Thanks Phil for the video I got your Instagram message that you made this video!
All Milwaukee Fuel = brushless
They sell battery adapters on Amazon for different brands. No need to be stuck on a platform due to batteries. Not sure if theres one for flex to milwaukee .
Those knock off batteries stink go watch the video Project Farm did a few weeks ago on this
@autofanaticcars it's not a battery it's a adapter. I work construction and use them all the time with no issues. But I'll take a look at what your talking about
That chatter is not the head it is the brushless motor coming to a stop
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i think im gonna go with the shinemate eb351.
cordless is not for everyone and it is a much greater investment for sure.
@@autofanaticcars The Shinemate EB351 is a cordless polisher.
I have the whole Rupes lineup and Flex PXE80. Im looking cordless 15 for one steps and finishing. Flex is too weak. Shinemate should be superiour.
be careful because the batteries that MAxshine supplies are not that great this is why i feel the M18 is the best cordless solution with their superior battery technology and easy of getting them
@@autofanaticcars Shinemate is not Maxshine. Eb351 is light(lighter than flex), have plenty of power, is smooth and have a decent battery.
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For 299 I ain’t ditching the cord
Can this be used to sand cars?
Yes you’ll need the proper sized interference pads
@@autofanaticcars thank you for the quick response! Il do my research
“…This car is pretty trash…”
Me : well, it is a base model benz lolol
Why are they 15mm and 21 mm.. Shouldn't that be 15cm and 21 cm ?? What exactly are they measuring when they call them a 15mm?
The size of the orbit.
I doubt there's a corded DA polisher on the market that is more powerful than a battery powered one. Most home circuits are 15 or 20 amps max, these modern 18V battery units can produce much more than that. The High Output M18 batteries with 21700 cells can provide 30-40amps of power doubling house circuit voltage.
That flex looks like a miliwaukee knock off
the Flex was designed and manufactured many years prior I think Milwaukee definitely saw this as a benchmark along with other cordless polishers.
You show the before in the sun but not the after 🤔
thats because I lack the super powers of stoping the the sun as I shoot the video
@@autofanaticcars you managed to do it in the last shot with the sun on the bottom edge. You’re more magic than you thought!
Real men buff by hand
good luck with that
Are you referring to buffing cars or your personal parts? Because real men use batteries for that too. No more buffin with the hand my friend. It causes micro scratches on the precious cargo.
Waste of time.
Smart men use tools.
Er, who polishes a car outside in the sun? 🤔
one who does a demonstration video for the public to watch, you do know most DIY detailers and mobile detailers are forced to polish outside.
@@autofanaticcars not where I’m from!
I found the performance to be excellent, but that battery placement was a deal breaker. I already don't like the rotary style chassis of these pro grade tools, and the batter exacerbated my dislike.
the cordless machines have their placement for sure but i also agree the battery should be integrated into the handle somehow to make them easier and more natural to use, maybe in the future we will see such design
So crying about a polisher making noise, and crying about a tool getting hot.