Jimmy Butler, Heat struggle in Game 1 vs DEN, is Jamal Murray underrated? | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes react to the Denver Nuggets win vs. Miami Heat in Game 1 of the 2023 NBA Finals. Jimmy Butler struggled scoring 13 points on 14 shots and Jamal Murray stuffed that stat sheeting scoring 26 points and dishing out 10 assist in his NBA Finals debut.
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This is why I love this show so much. They challenge each other on their takes but never making it personal because they all respect one another even with 3 distinct sports personality ego’s
Plus it seems like they're friends outside of work and enjoy each others company.
I think they always MAKE it personal, but they never TAKE it personal.
Definitely agree chemistry a+
Undisputed should have been taking notes
Love seeing Nick get called out like this 👏
@@2bb-2Broussards point right after that negates everything because its true. If that was any other superstar nick would be flipping tables about how bd the performance was.
Agree with Bru and Wildes about Jimmy. Because Nick and others were quick to say Giannis was terrible in game 5 where he had 36/20 and was injured but had the free throw issues but Jimmy has a bad game and we start asking is he tired, what’s happening and try find excuses. If you’re in club superstar there are no excuses anymore.
The media destroyed Anthony Davis but not Buttler 🤡
Giannis wasn't hurt. He had 5 days to rest a bruised tailbone in his mid 20s......
Harden scored 13 and got destroyed in the same series he scored 40+ twice, including game winning shots both times. Brou is 100% right.
Agree % 👏🏼
Because harden has a reputation of choking. Jimmy doesn't
Cause when harden chokes he chokes insanely hard. Harden doesn’t even take shots when he chokes
Harding don't play well and chokes because he try to let the star role player do the shooting even though he's a star he should take over the games
@@hasanmuhammad3916 Tonya Harding?
What would Nick have said if Jokic scored 13 points in game 1 of the finals?! 🤔
He would call him a fraud
Jokic a 2 time mvp of course he would be trashed for 13 points
@@mellothirty bruh people crowning jimmy a top 5 player in the league, he deserves to be criticized.
@@mellothirty I mean if Jimmy is gonna get called Top 5 and the second best player after Jokic in the playoffs then he deserves criticism
Fluke 🤷🏻♀️
I just think people know deep down that Jimmy is playing above his pay grade. We kind of give him a pass because we just don't expect this. Yes, he's done this before, but there is a certain sense of surprise that he plays like this. It's like a bonus season. It's not like we expected it.
It's not that complicated it's just figuring out when to reserve energy when you are undermanned. Lebron had to figure out how to reserve energy because he is older now. When you turn it on and off randomly you have the ability to surprise the opponent. I think that's part of Jimmy's strategy is you never know when you're going to get Playoff Jimmy. Well he better figure it out soon otherwise he's gonna get swept.
I disagree
Jimmy has a hurt ankle. He missed a game in the playoffs earlier.
Maybe, but I always expect it.
@@Udanoob bruh imagine if AD dropped 13 points? People expect 25 out of him every game as a 2nd but it's ok for Jimmy?
Tatum was killed for inconsistency but with Butler they’re like “hey, it happens”
FRFR I got no problem with the guy but media and fans talk like he's LeBron... he ain't
because Tatum is much more inconsistent than Butler, and Tatum has much more talent around him which puts less pressure on him at both ends of the floor
Because Jimmy’s inconsistencies haven’t got his team eliminated (yet)
Tatum has literally the deepest most stacked roster and still fails year after year,All NBA brown, dpoty smart, 6 man of the year brogdon and lots of great players and he still fails
@@Ed_Crane jimmys inconsistency got his team eliminated last year against Boston where he put up 8 points 6 points and 13 points in 3 straight games 😤
Could you fathom if Jokic had a 13, 7 and 7 night on 6-14 shooting in a loss? Nick would absolutely shred him if he did that
Cause jokic is miles better than butler
There's always some excuse when it comes to Butler. He's either pacing himself or he's hurt
@@albertospanu5272 I stg
Wildes from the top rope with the best point on Murray, this conversation will sound dumb next year. He is that guy on this team, him and Joker are 1A-1B and have a super healthy relationship about it. Part of their greatness. Cool to see players talking more about this, media will come around 🙌🏼
Yea I get annoyed with Denver fans who say "JOKIC IS DOING THIS WITHOUT AN ALL STAR"
Murray is DEF top 3 SG when healthy and the Nuggets are STACKED
He’s wrong on one point though. Jamal Murray does have a nickname. Furry Murray 😂
@@IknowMoreThanYou he plays PG not SG
@@IknowMoreThanYou This. Joker is best player in the 🌍 but he's not doing this by himself. He's only ever x2 gone this deep in playoffs w a healthy Murray by his side. Otherwise he's been bounced before conference finals. Similar to Giannis & Milwaukee who without a fully healthy combo of Giannis & Middleton has seen them get knocked out of playoffs x2 early
@@StarboundUK tbh I would take Murray over Middleton easily fr
Nick getting called out for his nonsense makes my day.
u need to do something better with ur day
@@khal7702 u need to shut your mouth
Like posting responses to comments on youtube ; )
You must have a full life, lol. Do you live in your mums basement ?
That’s pathetic. 105 people are pretty sad
All while Undisputed is in shambles these guys over here at FTF hard-carrying FS1
This is normal from Jimmy, I don’t understand why they don’t say it. He ain’t a superstar, he has way too many under 20 points in playoffs games.
Jimmy is closer to Draymond than a superstar
Everybody just gets so caught up in the Jimmy Buckets mythology that they forget this dude does have a dud game every now and then. That's okay, doesn't mean he's overrated, it's just what Brou said: He's a tier below people like Tatum and Embiid and LeBron.
Because they get all tickled by his 3 good games per series lol. They don't know ball
And the silly myth about Jordan being his father. It's annoying
JM = MJ = 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
its gonna get to 3-0 and Nicks gonna say he has never been more confident the heat will come back
That's not happening now
Jamal was hurt so we never got the chance to rate him properly. If he gets a ring, he’ll be elevated. If he chokes, people will remember that too.
He has been way better this year than past years (except the bubble) he improved a lot
Don’t see him choking. When healthy he shows that he’s a consistent killer
Like the guy above me said, your absolutely correct and he's proving all of us that get the context correct
@@hiphopotamus69 can’t really say past yrs cause he was hurt the last 2 but yea the bubble yr and now this yr he’s proven he’s that dude
But been cooking all playoffs
The overhype of jimmy butler this post season has been insane.
Naming somebody “playoff” anything who hasn’t won a ring is wild to me
I'll say loudly that I've underrated Jamal Murray his whole career. The last few weeks have changed that. I really respect a dude that gets even better in the playoffs. The Nuggets have a legit shot at the next 3 or 4 rings if they all stay healthy.
I've known Murray was a stud. If Jokic and Murray stay healthy regardless of other pieces will be a favorite to win it all . Not always favorite but contenders for sure
I know Luka your son😂😂😂
@@enlightenme3673 his comment make 0 sense but in all honesty you are the only one crying in this comment thread 😂 literally the definition of what you described.... He wrote a few words and you went off 😂😂
If that’s the case Jimmy is underrated too no one sees him as a superstar. Jamal is underrated but let’s be honest without Jokic he wouldn’t have such high numbers still will effective but not like this. Jimmy is a two way player doesn’t need a jokic to be effective and no way Jamal takes a bunch of undrafted guys to the finals.
Wiggins last year and if Joker wins this year, Nick is taking big losses on his takes in back to back years.
Wiggins is still the same dude if he’s ur number 1 or 2 guy ur in trouble, he’s gonna give u 17 points and good defense which is fine but he was supposed to be a franchise player
@@srgroids1 its not that, it's that nick said that gs getting wiggins was the nail in the coffin for the warriors, steph would never see another finals with wiggins but then he turned out to be the 2nd best player on the team in the finals and won them game 5 when steph wasn't shooting well
@@srgroids1 Wiggins was Warriors 2nd best player last season, all star starter, defends Luka + Tatum and gets buckets
Nick Wright, who has been taking L after L on his basketball takes, is about to take the biggest L yet. And I’m a Jimmy Butler fan.
I mean he did pick a massive upset in the ECF and was one of the few in the media to do so
What are you talking about. He’s been mostly correct.
@@davidmejia8500 he picked Lakers against Nuggets, Philly against Boston, Bucks against Heat, Kings against Warriors and he keeps making excuses for Butler who's not been great since game 2 against the Celtics, but he's supposed to be better than JT in his opinion.
@@albertospanu5272 not to mention Mavs winning the title … after they lost Brunson
@@davidmejia8500 - Umm, “mostly correct” media members don’t pick champions who can’t even make the play-in tournament…. 2 years in a row! Lol. He picked the Lakers last season and Mavs this season. Stop simping after this clown. 🤣🤣🤣
Probably heard the announcers call Jimmy’s name twice last night 😂
Yes, Jamal Murray is underrated 100%. Denver Nuggets are underrated. Niokla is underrated!
Broussard is on point. It seems Buttler gets all the credit when his good and zero to none criticism when he stinks it out routinely. His had more bad games than good games yet all the focus is elsewhere
These guys REALLY CANNOT LAST 5 MINUTES WITHOUT MENTIONING LEBRON'S name ...02:22 😂😂😂😂
King James for a reason 😎💕👏🏼
Murray can create his own shot. Klay was more of a catch & shoot.
…and played defense on the other team’s best guard….Jamal Murray isn’t doing that
@@chandlerennis880why does Murray have to do that? That’s not his spot, he tries on defense, him not being a notable defender doesn’t make him less impactful. Just ignore the efficiency he’s playing with on offense, being a quality shot creator, playmaker alongside Jokic and being the complementary piece to him
@Chandler Ennis that why they have ag bro. Why stick a 6'4 guard on him when you can throw a super quick and athletic forward that's 6'9 and built like a tank on him instead
Murray might not be the number one guy but when the number 1 guy doesn’t have it at the moment he does what a number 2 is supposed to do and steps up. Joker was scoring 4 points in the fourth quarter of close games and Murray closed it out. He’s 10 times better than Brunson
Any time butler drove the ball it was either mpj or ag there to block the shot he looked some what aggressive early but mpj and ag happened
That ankle...he can't bump them big boys like he a do to a derrick white or Marcus smart
@@israel7294 dwhite and marcus smart are small players, ag and mpj are way more of a threat for a jimmy who doesn't jump super high.
@@bryte1321 Denver has a lot of big, strong men and Miami felt it. Quite a few times Heat players got pushed over in the paint while playing D.
The Heat needs to make some serious adjustments because the size difference killed them.
@@bryte1321 yup that's what I'm saying...in order for the heat to win we gotta see the old Kyle Lowry and and they gonna have to make shots strus,Caleb ,Duncan gone have to be the bubble Duncan..and I just don't think none of them scenarios will happen
They intimidated JB …. 🤦🏻♀️ doesn’t look good now !!
Giannis had 38 and 20 in his elimination loss and got killed lol
Love how Chris called nick out
they wouldnt be here without jamal if he was in the east he would be a perennial all star
As a UK fan im gonna need some more respect on my man Murray's name 😂wait til next year when he's really good to go 🙌🏾
Once again Nick gets exposed for the hypocrite he is,
This is a pretty bad take and lacking context, Jimmy is carrying a underwhelming team to the finals and already beat better players Giannis and Tatum and a hot knicks team, if we flip Murray on the heat does he take them this far? And how much better would jimmy look with joker being his teammate lol cmon now
Murray is better than Jimmy offensively. You can see it when Jokic isn't on the court
Lmao.. There has been times in THIS playoffs where Murray leads his team offensively. Don't try to diminish Murray like that.😂
@mr.castle he still wouldn't carry heat
@@khal7702 He's not a fit for that team. He's a point guard and the Heat already has Vincent and Lowry. I'm not denying Jimmy's skills but it sounds biased to deny Murray's.
A hurt Giannis
The Blue Arrow/Jamal Murray‼️‼️‼️
Brou has an uncanny ability to make a definitive statement then walk it back the next minute
Nick & Broussard: screaming. Wildes: Uh
2:25
Wildes' 48 effing slayed me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you brou🙏🏾🗣️
I was om Wildes side (in regards to Jamal Murray) until he said "because hes in the finals".... Replace Jokic with Julius Randall and this team is not in the finals.... Jamal Murray is definetly underrated but being underrated doesnt just sky rocket you to being one of the best players in the league. Having a guy like Jokic opens up so much for everyone else. Replace Murray with Brunson and i think you get the same result. Look at the Mavs... WCF to out of the playoffs... I dont think he is better than Brunson but he is DEFINETLY knocking on the door. Great post season
Nick with a straight face really said Tatum didn’t get killed after last years finals
Nick is so biased it’s insane. If Tatum put up this stat line game 1 of the finals, Nick would call him a fake superstar, would suggest the Celtics trade him, and would completely destroy him. Jimmy does it, he was trying to get his guys involved. Jesus Christ Nick it’s hard to listen to you sometimes man.
Nick thought Jimmy would be the best player on the court is just nuts
I love Broussard and his passion during debates 🥂 hold nick accountable to these superstar standards 😂😭
I like Nick.. but you right
What people don't understand is that Jimmy isn't a scorer, he's a Defensive Superstar/Leader that CAN score. He has only been doing a lot of scoring because the team needs it, he steps up.
Jamal Murray is every bit as good as anyone in line for club superstar. Ant, SGA, Donovan Mitchell. None of those is a clear cut above Jamal, not saying Murray is flatout better than them, but is at worst neck and neck or a hair behind
Agreed, I like what Wildes said. There's a lot of carpet there, just add him to the line lol
Love Jamal but he needs to do it in the regular season too and not ride Jokers coat tails.
@@blackmamba3060
Well, they just had the 3rd best record in the league with him fulfilling his role as a second star and are 3 wins away from being NBA champs. The only reason why Jamal isn't a 25 point scorer in the regular season is shot volume.
Those 3 guys I mentioned average 20 shot attempts per game, Jamal this season had 16. In the postseason, with superior competition, Murray goes up to 21 FGA... et voila, 28 points per game scorer.
Broussard is right, next season, even if he is back to his 20ppg normal self he is going to be an All-Star just on the back of the respect he has garnered this postseason, and it will be deserved
@@ХорхеГарсия-э5е You can't just magically increase volume, volume is tough to increase even marginally. There is a reason high volume guys who maintain an edge of efficiency are so much more valuable than low volume guys who are ultra efficient. That's just the nature of the sport, the looks you get as a first option, etc. That's why we need to see Jamal be in that role at least a bit more for a consistent stretch. I will say, his playoff performances definitely suggest he is capable of it.
@@blackmamba3060
Dude, volume is though to increase for guys taking 20+ shots a night or for players in an offense with a super dominant balk handler. The Nuggets will never do it because that Denver offense works perfectly in the regular season as currently constructed so there is no reason for forcing Jamal to increase volume. But again, at 16 shots a game, which by the way was the most in the team, he could do it. Heck, a lot of 3rd options in the league like Tyrese Maxey and RJ Barret are basically taking that same amount of shot, Murray as number 2 in a team with a non ball dominant star like Jokic can easily get to 20 shots IF the team wanted to, as shown during this postseason.
i think i disagree when he said if denver had jimmy butler they’re better because jimmy doesn’t shoot the 3 well so him and jokic wouldn’t play as good together as jokic and murray because they compliment each other better
Nick’s right. I’ve been following Jimmy since his days with the Sixers and he does tend to just…not do anything sometimes. Like he’ll settle and just facilitate. Don’t know why he does it but anyone who actually pays attention to Jimmy would know he does have this kinda habit. He’ll bounce back next game tho (doesn’t guarantee a win tho)
He’s not that good of a shooter. That’s what tends to happen, you look for assist’s and rebounds because he can’t go get a bucket that easily.
@@tonytoni1150 100% correct
JB is overrated…🤷🏻♀️
"Get him a commercial then" this guy's so mad murray's not in a commercial LOL
The woes of Regular Jimmy, discuss 😂😂😂😂🥳🥳🍺🍺.
Debates be so good I be switches sides...and than switches back
Butler struggled four straight games but the bandwagon is soooo quiet. Thought he was Jordan... right? 😂
NICK you're too arrogant not to let Chris speak out.... every time you interrupt him. Come on man
What Nick said at 5:42 is the most insane part. There's 0 chance Butler is going into the series as the best player. Jokic just got done destroying every opponent in the playoffs. Butler was one game away from the biggest failure in NBA history. I swear people let memes make decisions for them. Just because Jimmy is a cool figure doesnt mean he's even remotely close to Jokic. It's 2 entirely different leagues of superstar.
Yeah nick was slick throwing that in there lol
he said best player in the game not the series
@@geraldworldwide23 Which is...equally stupid. I also said going into the series, which means entering game 1. Butler is not the best player in a game with the Nuggets.
Jamal isn’t better than kyrie, he’s properly rated.
It’s the Finals, Nick. An “off night” is a BAD GAME in a time like this
Nick, I am with you on this one. Those guys don't know the game the way you do.
What happened to Jimmy Butler?
He got shut down, it's called defense. More specifically, Aaron Gordon.
2:14 this whole spiel from Bru about Jimmy not being a top five player is exactly what I’ve been wanting to hear from someone in front of the cameras. Anyone player on that top fiver pedestal has a horrible game like Jimmy had in game one, they get nearly crucified for it
100% murray is under rated, he is so so good when it matters
Chris Broussard is the real combination of Shanequa and Karen on this show. OMG!!!
Boussard : " Lebrawn bla bla bla"
Jamal was carrying the Denver nugget in the bubble Joker would be in foul trouble and Jamal was balling
When Jokic and Luka were getting bounced out they didn’t get ripped. Just magically rose to the “best player” category. Interesting
Was actually a pretty good discussion.
Jamal has those numbers because simply because hes got jokic who can set those hard russian illegal screens and no defense can ever properly man him up 1 on 1.
Remove jokic and jamal is always a 21 to 22 ppg game guy. Hes not the main guy who can handle a full team like jimmy can, since hes not a hard nosed defender. He cant will a team without jokic. Denver without jokic is a play in team at best
Lol jokic got beat Three times in the playoffs without Murray so your comment doesn't make sense
Nick would have ripped Jayson Tatum to shreds if he had this type game LOL.
" The Idea, The Idea " so annoying when he says that.😂
Nick hates Jamal Murray too🤦
"Theres no limit to the # of ppl that can be in line" this is a wilde fact! yall havent seen the lines in seen and been in lol
Jimmy's third game in his past 6 that he has scored under 17
Y’all need to chill out on the jimmy butler hate. He had a bad game. He might have been gassed from G7 @ Boston. He has just led the heat to one of the most improbable runs in nba history. Give him a game to get his feet under him.
Jimmy clearly injured.. but y'all get paid not to say that right? Or is y'all really just that slow?
Brou is talking straight facts about Jimmy!
Brou is too harsh on Jimmy. This man has brought a team of undrafted dudes to the finals. He had a bad game, give him a break.
On the other hand, yes. He’s been slowing down. That Bucks series may have taken some tool.
I don’t even get why he was so riled up for when clearly everyone knows he played terrible
It’s about keeping the same energy 🤷🏽♂️
I hope the next 3 games actually are competitive
i hope denver sweep the heat so Nick Wright will be proved wrong AGAIN just like last season with the warriors
For 3 years ive been saying jokic has the most help out of Giannis Embiid and Luka and everyone ignored it. Cause 'The bubble doesnt count'
Look how Brou was looking at him @ 4:02 🤣
The thing about Jimmy’s game 1 performance is that he’s not put on that pedestal like those other guys they are naming.
Jamal Murray has been that guy since he dropped 50 on Kyrie’s head 3 years ago in Denver.
I’ve been campaigning for Jamal Murray as a top 4 point guard in the league for 3 years.
As it stands
1. Steph
2. Luka
3. Jamal
4. Dame
Luka is a crybaby
Jimmy Butler is like Embiid, 90% of his game is built on shot fakes and because his shot fakes are so effective, the defenders were so afraid to be called foul, he could take nearly uncontested mid range shots, but now teams have see enough of that, defenders don’t bite on those shot fakes anymore, and without those help from the refs, he’s basically a mediocre mid range scorer in a 33yo body.
Nick to say he thought jimmy would be the best player on the court is laughable
Nick answers the question and gets ripped to shreds for a question he wasn't asked. Classic Brou and Wildes mess around.
If Murray can turn himself into a top tier defender then he can be the best guard I’m the league. Better than Steph and Kyrie. I mean…what can’t he do that they can?
Butler will struggle this series. Denver is too big!! Gordon and Porter are both 6'10... Switching is no problem for Denvet
I also think Jimmy is in case of emergency break glass. If the team is out of reach save it
Brou was spot on. Jimmy is worn down.
Jimmy Butler is a superstar. Scoring 13pts is absurdly bad. Call anyone off the bench for that performance. He was terrible.
Wow Nick, if Jokic played like Jimmy last night, you would have shredded him to bits
On Murray.
Is he better than Edwards - yes.
Is he better than Mitchell - yes.
Is he better than Brunson - yes.
Is he better than SGA - yes.
Chris was right on other players getting criticized other than embiid
The nickname of Jamal Murray is the Blue Arrow
honestly caleb martin carried them vs the celtics more than butler did
Chris came ready to ball today
Brou : if Lebron at 38
Wildes Sneakily : at 48 😂
I am so tired of the “black barber shop” sports arguing shows … BUT these guys are really good at it. They do their home work. Their takes seem to be their own, not from the producers. Sure maybe Nick embraces some extreme takes for the sake of the show but it’s all pretty high level stuff.
this man jamal murray is a beast..come on tho, he’s playing next to the best player in the league lmao. are the nuggets good without joker? thats when you can talk about a player getting recognized
Are the nuggets good without Murray asked yourself that first
@@raymondthomas1574 thats true but wildes is arguing that he isnt talked about like jimmy,, hence my point in the original post.
Nuggets as a whole is a beast, they knocked out my lakers and o believe they might even get a sweep in the finals. but when did they become the crybabies of the league. all i heart is no one is talking about us, no credit this and etc its a lil annoying for this to be the context of the best team in the nba rn
Football season can’t get here soon enough.
is it just me, or does nick wright look like tom green with an office job
Everyone they mentioned has a co superstar to take the load of of said player. Bron got Ad, Tatum got Brown, Embiid got Harden. But who does jimmy got ? Herro hahaha
Last year, I told everyone that Jokic and Murray their duo reminds me of the Spurs Duncan and Tony Parker.
Once Murray and Porter Jr is back, they might win the Championship just like how Duncan and Parker's Spurs did.
People LAUGHTED at me. They said I don't know NBA and told me to study more.
NOW, I AM LAUGHING AT THEIR FACES LOL
2:32 Bru , well said 😎👏🏼
Recency bias makes fools of us all