about that - when the vanilla puts you in an infinite loop. if you give it 2 minutes, tops, it'll unfreeze. I know that because that's how it worked for me, and i still play 1.02 to this day. and still, love it to my very core of existence. and also, i dunno why it works fine on win 10.
Wow, I could've sworn vanilla still had the infinite loop thing, and didn't skip AIs who got stuck during their turns. This is what happens when you play the mod a lot more than the original game lol
As someone who remembers playing Rebelstar Raiders on the ZX Spectrum as a kid, I too prefer the full Action Points system. Did you ever play Silent Storm? It's got a pretty interesting action point system, along with a lot of environmental destruction makes for a good combat system.
I want to play it, because i've heard plenty good things about it. There's also the infamous Fallout Tactics which got the short end of the straw by not being a classical Fallout RPG, despite being a competent TBS
@@DarthZombie510 It's definitely worth a look, though there are serious enough flaws to prevent it from being a 'forgotten classic' in my opinion. Fallout Tactics is another good one, provided it's tenuous connection to the previous Fallout games is ignored. (Probably less of an issue these days, now that the newer Fallouts have diluted the seriousness of the series.)
watching this video made me realize it's TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH joke aside, a very good review, loved it. I started building a small tactical game a year or so ago and the further I go into the details the more I appreciate Jagged Alliance 2, imo it's the pinacle of turn based tacticas, a product of it's time, game from the late 90s, when review bombing, cancelation, streamlining, "modern audiences", multiplayer focus and more of these things didn't exist, and creativity and attention to detail just set this game apart. I liked JA3, probably the best tactical game of the recent years, but JA2+1.13 (and AIMNAS!) is just a killer combo that nothing else can even come close to.
I don't envy the monumental task any designer would have if they try to replicate the complexity and accuracy of JA2 1.13's systems. Sometimes I'm even surprised it manages to hold up, because it's as if it's held in one piece by glue and toilet paper. I can sort of understand that people nowadays would be put off by such a steep learning curve. We're familiar with its systems, but learning it from scratch is akin to learning a whole course in terms of its volume. But man, do I miss this kind of games sometimes!
I think JA3 was rather kept low on marketing, I didn't see any dev video or anything advertising it on youtube until suddenly non review copy owners started uploading to youtube. Good idea, stops from too much expectation that people don't even know what to expect, and the team can develop the game to its full without marketed promises. Edit: I watched the whole video before commenting, old JA2 fan, good points on the AP of those new XCom games, initially I wanted to mention about how JA3 took a lot of cues here and there including the 1.13 mod features, and that it probably, literally took midway of old JA2's 20-25AP to half, 10-12 AP average to it, in partial response to how the 3D world of JA3 visual interaction now might look a little too close to the new X-Com games, and the streamlining of inventory, might happened due to taking mind of newer gamers. I honestly think that the depth of 1.13 to be the tacticool fantasy any merc/military strategy fan should want, that THAT is peak, but there might be something that won't work if the same depth of feature was added to JA3 that I don't know.
I think part of the low expectations for JA3 was played by the, frankly, horrible entries it had after 2. And it's the smart move to not try too hard to counter that, since you'd only let new-comers find out about them lol. I am curious what they did different. From the bits and pieces I've seen, it does seem to have changes I'm not a big fan of, including the Xcomification of the action system. I'll get to it some day, after I'll obviously skip Rage and Back in Action lol.
When I first got JA3 it seemd like a faithful update of Jagged Alliance. However after a few battles it became obvious that while it was prettier than JA2 it was inferior in every way. Eventually I uninstalled in disgust because assault rifles and LMGs were idiotically balanced. Serioysly an MG 42 does less damage per bullet than a .45 revolver. I hate to say it but JA2 1.13 is still king of the franchise.
Holy crap, that by itself sounds pretty damn awful! I'll give it a shot in the future, but I'm not suuuuper optimistic. At least it looks better than Rage or Payback lol
I had the feeling that this video quickly became a deep look for people already playing the game and being familiar with the game/its mechanics. I am not a stranger, but I felt left behind very quickly. Could also be due to your talking speed and voice pitching. Realized that you've lost me for at least 5 minutes around 20:30 when I've started to write this comment. Keep it going. Hope this feedback helps you to improve if you deem it worthy :)
It's alright. The reason why i went so in-depth is because Warlockracy's review is, for me at least, the ideal introduction. And I felt that it would've been redundant for me to cover the same parts. By talking speed you mean too slow or fast? Not being a native speaker comes with its own perks haha!
@DarthZombie510 Haha, coming from him here as well. And a bit experience with the JA2 Demo back in the days as a kid 😁 You have this very monotone patch- same Level for the whole sentence and the going up or down for the last to words or so. Hard to describe, but it made it hard to follow as it was ... tiresome? Does that makes sense? 🤔
Never played it myself, but as far as I know it's an expansion that's a lot harder than the base game and 1.13 alike. Can't say much more unfortunately.
Interesting game and very various option of guns 😲😲😲 I like how the battles are handled and the mechanics that you need to think deeply wherever to move your soliders or not. Also you need to take into account which characters should be sent🤌 And one time we can do drinking game for real 🙈😂😂😂
Personal thanks to thesummerofmark for his contribution. You can watch more of his stuff here: youtube.com/@thesummerofmark?si=cJo5Clxa6Kgr7QiX
His channel is a good one as well! 👨💻
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@@cyllananassan9159 What do you mean, I rate my channel very high!
Thanks for liking my stuff, man!
about that - when the vanilla puts you in an infinite loop.
if you give it 2 minutes, tops, it'll unfreeze. I know that because that's how it worked for me, and i still play 1.02 to this day. and still, love it to my very core of existence.
and also, i dunno why it works fine on win 10.
Wow, I could've sworn vanilla still had the infinite loop thing, and didn't skip AIs who got stuck during their turns. This is what happens when you play the mod a lot more than the original game lol
@@DarthZombie510 sometimes it even took 5 minutes. still it would unfreeze after a while.
As someone who remembers playing Rebelstar Raiders on the ZX Spectrum as a kid, I too prefer the full Action Points system.
Did you ever play Silent Storm? It's got a pretty interesting action point system, along with a lot of environmental destruction makes for a good combat system.
I want to play it, because i've heard plenty good things about it. There's also the infamous Fallout Tactics which got the short end of the straw by not being a classical Fallout RPG, despite being a competent TBS
@@DarthZombie510 It's definitely worth a look, though there are serious enough flaws to prevent it from being a 'forgotten classic' in my opinion.
Fallout Tactics is another good one, provided it's tenuous connection to the previous Fallout games is ignored. (Probably less of an issue these days, now that the newer Fallouts have diluted the seriousness of the series.)
watching this video made me realize it's TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH
joke aside, a very good review, loved it. I started building a small tactical game a year or so ago and the further I go into the details the more I appreciate Jagged Alliance 2, imo it's the pinacle of turn based tacticas, a product of it's time, game from the late 90s, when review bombing, cancelation, streamlining, "modern audiences", multiplayer focus and more of these things didn't exist, and creativity and attention to detail just set this game apart.
I liked JA3, probably the best tactical game of the recent years, but JA2+1.13 (and AIMNAS!) is just a killer combo that nothing else can even come close to.
I don't envy the monumental task any designer would have if they try to replicate the complexity and accuracy of JA2 1.13's systems. Sometimes I'm even surprised it manages to hold up, because it's as if it's held in one piece by glue and toilet paper.
I can sort of understand that people nowadays would be put off by such a steep learning curve. We're familiar with its systems, but learning it from scratch is akin to learning a whole course in terms of its volume. But man, do I miss this kind of games sometimes!
I think JA3 was rather kept low on marketing, I didn't see any dev video or anything advertising it on youtube until suddenly non review copy owners started uploading to youtube. Good idea, stops from too much expectation that people don't even know what to expect, and the team can develop the game to its full without marketed promises.
Edit: I watched the whole video before commenting, old JA2 fan, good points on the AP of those new XCom games, initially I wanted to mention about how JA3 took a lot of cues here and there including the 1.13 mod features, and that it probably, literally took midway of old JA2's 20-25AP to half, 10-12 AP average to it, in partial response to how the 3D world of JA3 visual interaction now might look a little too close to the new X-Com games, and the streamlining of inventory, might happened due to taking mind of newer gamers. I honestly think that the depth of 1.13 to be the tacticool fantasy any merc/military strategy fan should want, that THAT is peak, but there might be something that won't work if the same depth of feature was added to JA3 that I don't know.
I think part of the low expectations for JA3 was played by the, frankly, horrible entries it had after 2. And it's the smart move to not try too hard to counter that, since you'd only let new-comers find out about them lol.
I am curious what they did different. From the bits and pieces I've seen, it does seem to have changes I'm not a big fan of, including the Xcomification of the action system. I'll get to it some day, after I'll obviously skip Rage and Back in Action lol.
Link to to latest build on jenkins site?
jenkins.maeyanie.com/job/JA2%20SCI/
When I first got JA3 it seemd like a faithful update of Jagged Alliance. However after a few battles it became obvious that while it was prettier than JA2 it was inferior in every way. Eventually I uninstalled in disgust because assault rifles and LMGs were idiotically balanced. Serioysly an MG 42 does less damage per bullet than a .45 revolver. I hate to say it but JA2 1.13 is still king of the franchise.
Holy crap, that by itself sounds pretty damn awful! I'll give it a shot in the future, but I'm not suuuuper optimistic. At least it looks better than Rage or Payback lol
I had the feeling that this video quickly became a deep look for people already playing the game and being familiar with the game/its mechanics. I am not a stranger, but I felt left behind very quickly. Could also be due to your talking speed and voice pitching. Realized that you've lost me for at least 5 minutes around 20:30 when I've started to write this comment.
Keep it going. Hope this feedback helps you to improve if you deem it worthy :)
It's alright. The reason why i went so in-depth is because Warlockracy's review is, for me at least, the ideal introduction. And I felt that it would've been redundant for me to cover the same parts.
By talking speed you mean too slow or fast? Not being a native speaker comes with its own perks haha!
@DarthZombie510 Haha, coming from him here as well. And a bit experience with the JA2 Demo back in the days as a kid 😁
You have this very monotone patch- same Level for the whole sentence and the going up or down for the last to words or so. Hard to describe, but it made it hard to follow as it was ... tiresome? Does that makes sense? 🤔
Do you guys prefer to play with ememies leave weaposn ot not?
I play with "enemies drop all items", even if it makes inventory management a nightmare after huge firefights.
How wildfire is different from the base game?
Never played it myself, but as far as I know it's an expansion that's a lot harder than the base game and 1.13 alike. Can't say much more unfortunately.
Wildfire seemed to be just the vanilla game with much more cluttered maps
@@Nomisdoowtsae Is there same number of locations? Just more objects on the same locations?
@@eduardmart1237 yes, same map overhauled so there's a lot more terrain objects
Interesting game and very various option of guns 😲😲😲 I like how the battles are handled and the mechanics that you need to think deeply wherever to move your soliders or not. Also you need to take into account which characters should be sent🤌 And one time we can do drinking game for real 🙈😂😂😂
There's a lot of depth in it, that's for sure!
Retrospective 😂