I like the fact that they look more "civilised" and low key, than the ordinary military combat pants. These pants can be used in almost all types of scenaries.
Best pants out that you still need to review are KUHL. Many colors and def don't scream tactical. 5.11s are still too baggy and look sloppy to me. KUHL even surpasses the overpriced TAD Gear pants and those are cool.
I get Tru-spec 24\7 pants on Midway USA for anywhere from $33 to $45 all day long! I have never seen 511 come anywhere near being sold for that price. I would try them out if they were competitively priced.
Survival On Purpose They are very nice! I just saw some today at a surplus store and I like them but they were full retail price. Got to wait for a good sale
To big for you.....slimmad pants. The back you yos the ky for polis I hav 3 of them end the are no good kvalité.. name is Apex Pants - Volcanic Are the dark gre...Very hart to get..end sorry for my inglicsh
Great review! Here's a different take on those back pockets: What you consider to be a drawback, I find to be a huge advantage. You see, if you add flaps to the back pockets, from a design perspective, you should also add them to the side cargo pockets. If you add all those flaps, and you have the ultra-wide beltloops on a pant that's painted in some sort of tactical color, you lose the covert trait of the pants. I for one really appreciate the covert factor of these pants. Keep the reviews coming, I love them! All the best.
Thank you - - superb review mate and love the ‘Out-takes’! Thinking of getting the Apex but in the shorts down here in 🇦🇺 for the very reasons you mentioned (more refined tailored fit/mechanical stretch canvas) without being OTT-Tac for everyday-urban-missions. Probably will end-up getting the pants too. I have some of 5.11’s older Tac-Lite Pro gear (we’re talking 10yr+) and it’s still going strong. Their gear is hard-wearing! After all the washes, the material seems better with wear and more comfortable. Only problem is, I’m fitter than I used to be so about to give them away to charity; hence why I need to buy more clothes 🤣 Stay safe everyone 🤙🏼
Hi Brian, I ordered a pair of these pants and just received them today. So far they are very nice. The only question I have is how do you wash these pants? I can't find a use and care tag on them anywhere and because of the Teflon coating I want to make sure I wash them correctly. What is your suggestion?
I ordered a pair and the stitching started to fall apart at the knee after one day in an office setting and one wash. I emailed 511 over a week ago and havent heard back. I expected more for $80.
Nice pants. I just tried them on at Greentop and really liked them besides the no-closure back pockets. Btw, why do you prefer a Multi-clip vs a regular holster clip? I couldn't ever get mine to work right.
Great review Bryan! Cool pants! I have been considering for couple weeks of buying some more discreet and less tactical looking trousers. By this far my top choices have been the Tru.Spec 24/7 series and maybe Helikon-tex UTP but those 5.11 ones look like a good option too. Thank you for the tip :) Have a great weekend Bryan! As always, big thumbs up!
They are a bit more on the "tactical" side with standard cargo pockets on the sides though it does have the split pockets inside them and velcro covers but they dont stick out far not big and bulky by any means the back pockets are covered though unlike those it also has these weird but handy little pockets on the front on the pants i use for my pens on one side and my edc knife on the other.
Those are some snazzy pants, but I agree the back pockets are a drawback, why didn't they include a zipper for the lower half and a button for the upper half?
I'm an RSO at a big range down here in the Tampa Bay area, and I wear "Tactical Pants" everyday....Tru-Spec Ascent pants are by far the most comfortable on the market hands down, only downside is they are a little baggy (like the old school cargo pants in the 90s) and have them in 3 colors...I'm always in the market for a new pair of pants so i tried the 5.11 stryke pants, and I must say they come in a close 2nd...The pockets are better placed and more thought out, with the only downside being a tad heavier material (1 to 1.5 ounces) and not as much leg room as the Ascents...I'm usually a 30-32 but because 5.11s tend to run shorter and shrink a tiny bit, so i got the 30-34s to make up for any shrinkage...I switch back n forth between the Strykes and Ascents for work...I recently just purchased a pair of 5.11 Ridgeline pants which you should definitely look into....they are becoming a new favorite in the 5.11 line!....Great video my good man and keep up the good work!!
Those slacks are really handsome on you. The fit is perfect. You could wear them in more dressy situations; like going out to dinner, a party, Boy Scout Awards ceremonies. I think you now have two types of pants for different uses. Please report on how these hold up after 6 months or so. Thanks for reporting on a basic clothing item. I don't see such videos very often.
Great review Brian, What do you think the best 5.11 pants are for hot and humid climates ? I am outdoors for work and doing physical labor... I went to 5.11 retailer to buy the Fast Tac. But the sale man told me the Fast tac will be to hot&sweaty because the material doesn't breath. He told me the Stryke are best. I was getting the feeling the sale man was trying to up sale me. Thanks for your help and reviews.
i thumbed it up. good review on the cargo pants line. do you think the crotch inseam is tight? reason i ask is my husband wants some of the "Ridgeline" 5.11 Tactical pants, but TNP says that they are tight in the crotch inseam? my husband doesn't like a tight inseam in the crotch area. do you think the cargo pants have a roomy inseam? have you tried the "ridgeline" 5.11 pants and if so do you know about the inseam in those? thank you, mr. brian
Before you start buying 20 pairs you might want to check on my video first. Gideons tactical does not seem to believe me. But these pants are not very durable I work at a retail job and they cannot hang with the everyday use I put them through. So if anyone else is reading this be worn 5.11 is getting desperate reaching out to these TH-camrs. But I do believe their prices have come down since they were first released.
Hey Brian, what is the name of that sleeping bag company that you were repping that had really affordable down bags? I think they were located in Utah? Can you reply with that company's name? Thanks.
in my opinion "tactical" clothing has always stood out like a sore thumb no matter how they try to tone it down. I've always gotten by with a pair of Wrangler cargo pants and I can buy me four or five pairs for the price of a pair of those. If .511 gave me a pair I wouldn't say no.
I got spoiled on the front phone pocket on the ascent pants. really sad these don't have that :( also like their knife pockets right behind the main pocket. not going to ever be able to wear anything else for my normal everyday pants.
I know this is relative and subjective, but how would you feel wearing these pants in summer conditions? Are they breathable? Heavy vs light wieght? You mentioned they were 6 Oz canvas, but it's a bit difficult for me to conceptualize what that feels like or compare to. I live in S. Fla where it's summer 360 days of the year. Thanks.
I live in SFL and had these for a couple of years. They are my favorite sailing pants for long days on Biscayne Bay. I have used them for hiking trips as well as kicking around town.
I´m wearing those pans right now and I love them too! You forgot to mention the little "handcuff-key-pocket" on the lower left leg, look inside ;-) Best wishes from Leipzig - Germany
Nice review Bryan! You need to check out the 511 ridgeline pants. They are my favorite. More of a dress pant and I wear almost everyday. I have 5 pair so yes I have a problem. Thanks again! Your Delta buddy MD!
Love my Apex pants as well. Got all the colors except the black one. They're not overly tactical looking due to the the discreet zippered cargo pockets and has a slimmer fit compared to their previous designs. Great review!
I wear slim jeans like the Levi's 511. I wear a 34x30 and that's what I wear for the Apex Pant. Does anyone else have the same size as me? I feel like I should've got a 34x32 instead. It feels a bit too short
Good except for the lack of fastenings on the back pockets which are really essential - must have a safe wallet pocket. Also could do with a clip for hanging keys down into the right-hand pocket without actually wearing the pocket out.
Is it really ok to wear these even though I'm not a cop or a vet? Even in the city? I'm considering to buy 5.11 amd propper pants that don't look too tactical to wear them in the summer because they are fresh.
Survival On Purpose what I was thinking is that since I'm not part of the tactical community I shouldn't wear these. these type of pants are really better for hot weather.
I like your belt.. Where did you get it ?? Would the Apex pants make good work pants ?? With the tefflon, Do they breath and stay cool ?? Have you reviewed the Smart Holster ??
Here's the belt: th-cam.com/video/-19qOTwb_fc/w-d-xo.html The pants are pretty cool, but I have not worn them in really hot weather yet. And I have not seen the Smart Holster, but I don't see me changing from my Hawg Holster. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
By the way , I stopped carrying a phone in the back pocket after batteries started exploding and or burning because they get broken. Side thigh pocket or clipped to belt is safer by far. Just an FYI. Peace
Here is my video on the pants th-cam.com/video/KR5v6YjniMs/w-d-xo.html And here is the Amazon link that supports the channel (and me): survivalonpurpose.com/Tru-Spec-Ascent
Very good video, thank you. I have a question about where you talk about the "stretchiness" of the. How stretchy are the legs? As a practitioner of taekwondo, my first concern is my ability to kick high in pants. Do these allow you to be limber enough to stretch your legs out well?
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I like the fact that they look more "civilised" and low key, than the ordinary military combat pants. These pants can be used in almost all types of scenaries.
gosh bryan all the ladies are gonna click on this one with a saucy thumbnail like that
And t hen click right back off as soon as they see my face?
Looking forward to the Survival On Purpose 2017 calendars
lol
Best pants out that you still need to review are KUHL. Many colors and def don't scream tactical. 5.11s are still too baggy and look sloppy to me. KUHL even surpasses the overpriced TAD Gear pants and those are cool.
I get Tru-spec 24\7 pants on Midway USA for anywhere from $33 to $45 all day long! I have never seen 511 come anywhere near being sold for that price. I would try them out if they were competitively priced.
The Ascent are a little more than the regular 24/7. These are a similar to the Ascent in that they have a little stretch built in.
Survival On Purpose They are very nice! I just saw some today at a surplus store and I like them but they were full retail price. Got to wait for a good sale
To big for you.....slimmad pants. The back you yos the ky for polis
I hav 3 of them end the are no good kvalité.. name is Apex Pants - Volcanic
Are the dark gre...Very hart to get..end sorry for my inglicsh
Great review! Here's a different take on those back pockets: What you consider to be a drawback, I find to be a huge advantage. You see, if you add flaps to the back pockets, from a design perspective, you should also add them to the side cargo pockets. If you add all those flaps, and you have the ultra-wide beltloops on a pant that's painted in some sort of tactical color, you lose the covert trait of the pants. I for one really appreciate the covert factor of these pants. Keep the reviews coming, I love them! All the best.
+Victor Gradinaru yeah, but zippers would work
Reinforced pockets for your EDC knife
*laughs in emerson G10* we'll see about that.
I actually found that there is another hidden pocket on the inside of the cuff on the bottom of the left leg.
+Jonathan Popham yes there is. I think they call it a handcuff key pocket
I own 6 pairs of 5.11 taclite pro pants, it's my preferred brand. Very durable. Great video Bryan.
I need to check that style out
Irish Zombie Nation those are great pants though if I could make one complaint it would be that they need shorter inseams for us Hobbits.
I have a pair of these and wear them working in the bush in Africa and can confirm they are super comfortable
Wore this and very similar pants throughout my career being sent around the world 100% god given pants 😂
Thank you - - superb review mate and love the ‘Out-takes’! Thinking of getting the Apex but in the shorts down here in 🇦🇺 for the very reasons you mentioned (more refined tailored fit/mechanical stretch canvas) without being OTT-Tac for everyday-urban-missions. Probably will end-up getting the pants too.
I have some of 5.11’s older Tac-Lite Pro gear (we’re talking 10yr+) and it’s still going strong. Their gear is hard-wearing! After all the washes, the material seems better with wear and more comfortable. Only problem is, I’m fitter than I used to be so about to give them away to charity; hence why I need to buy more clothes 🤣
Stay safe everyone 🤙🏼
Thanks.
I love 5.11 pants, they can be worn with tactical vests for patrols but also with a dress shirt for more discreet environments.
'Almost too mah knee...'
Her four favorite words.
😄
Are these made overseas like the rest of their clothes ? It is very hard to find clothes made in the U.S.A.
I'm sure they are.
Joe Bishop You should start sewing then.
They're Made un Taiwan mister american pride
Hi Brian, I ordered a pair of these pants and just received them today. So far they are very nice. The only question I have is how do you wash these pants? I can't find a use and care tag on them anywhere and because of the Teflon coating I want to make sure I wash them correctly. What is your suggestion?
I just wash them with everything else. Not sure if that is the best thing but that is what I do.
I ordered a pair and the stitching started to fall apart at the knee after one day in an office setting and one wash. I emailed 511 over a week ago and havent heard back. I expected more for $80.
Hmm. Mine are doing fine and I wear them to work
Nice pants. I just tried them on at Greentop and really liked them besides the no-closure back pockets. Btw, why do you prefer a Multi-clip vs a regular holster clip? I couldn't ever get mine to work right.
I absolutely like my Ulticlip.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Maybe I need to give it another try. I could never get it to fasten securely. Might have been my belt was too thick.
It is really designed to clip to your pants behind your belt. I wear mine next to a belt loop and it works perfectly.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Ok. Thanks.
Nice paints,a little pricey.
Yep
Great review Bryan! Cool pants! I have been considering for couple weeks of buying some more discreet and less tactical looking trousers. By this far my top choices have been the Tru.Spec 24/7 series and maybe Helikon-tex UTP but those 5.11 ones look like a good option too. Thank you for the tip :) Have a great weekend Bryan! As always, big thumbs up!
These are comfy Jani. Thanks
What inseam were those compared to what you wear in jeans?
These are 30 and I often wear 32 in jeans
Молодец мужик, все четко, все по делу. Самый достойный обзор. Учитесь.
If you haven't try out the 5.11 strike pant. By far my favorite of the 5.11 pants
+Anthony Butler I may check them out.
They are a bit more on the "tactical" side with standard cargo pockets on the sides though it does have the split pockets inside them and velcro covers but they dont stick out far not big and bulky by any means the back pockets are covered though unlike those it also has these weird but handy little pockets on the front on the pants i use for my pens on one side and my edc knife on the other.
Those are some snazzy pants, but I agree the back pockets are a drawback, why didn't they include a zipper for the lower half and a button for the upper half?
I don't know
Those look slick and your spot on, they are tactical without making ya look like you're going to war....spiffy Brian.
Thanks!
Are they better for winter or summer?
I like these but still Blackhawk tactical are my all time first choice of pants
Cool
Apex are my favorite pants hands down.
I have them in almost every color they offer
Way to work the runway Brian!
I forgot to spin
I'm an RSO at a big range down here in the Tampa Bay area, and I wear "Tactical Pants" everyday....Tru-Spec Ascent pants are by far the most comfortable on the market hands down, only downside is they are a little baggy (like the old school cargo pants in the 90s) and have them in 3 colors...I'm always in the market for a new pair of pants so i tried the 5.11 stryke pants, and I must say they come in a close 2nd...The pockets are better placed and more thought out, with the only downside being a tad heavier material (1 to 1.5 ounces) and not as much leg room as the Ascents...I'm usually a 30-32 but because 5.11s tend to run shorter and shrink a tiny bit, so i got the 30-34s to make up for any shrinkage...I switch back n forth between the Strykes and Ascents for work...I recently just purchased a pair of 5.11 Ridgeline pants which you should definitely look into....they are becoming a new favorite in the 5.11 line!....Great video my good man and keep up the good work!!
These are fast becoming my favorites.
Those slacks are really handsome on you. The fit is perfect. You could wear them in more dressy situations; like going out to dinner, a party, Boy Scout Awards ceremonies. I think you now have two types of pants for different uses. Please report on how these hold up after 6 months or so. Thanks for reporting on a basic clothing item. I don't see such videos very often.
I think you are right. Thanks for watching.
Great review Brian, What do you think the best 5.11 pants are for hot and humid climates ? I am outdoors for work and doing physical labor...
I went to 5.11 retailer to buy the Fast Tac. But the sale man told me the Fast tac will be to hot&sweaty because the material doesn't breath. He told me the Stryke are best. I was getting the feeling the sale man was trying to up sale me. Thanks for your help and reviews.
I have no idea. I wear these in the summer and they don't seem too hot.
i thumbed it up. good review on the cargo pants line. do you think the crotch inseam is tight? reason i ask is my husband wants some of the "Ridgeline" 5.11 Tactical pants, but TNP says that they are tight in the crotch inseam? my husband doesn't like a tight inseam in the crotch area. do you think the cargo pants have a roomy inseam? have you tried the "ridgeline" 5.11 pants and if so do you know about the inseam in those? thank you, mr. brian
I have not tried the Ridgeline. But these are very comfortable to me
Before you start buying 20 pairs you might want to check on my video first. Gideons tactical does not seem to believe me. But these pants are not very durable I work at a retail job and they cannot hang with the everyday use I put them through. So if anyone else is reading this be worn 5.11 is getting desperate reaching out to these TH-camrs. But I do believe their prices have come down since they were first released.
And PS I really want to like them they do look good and they do fit very comfortably but the durability is just not there
Mine are doing fine and I wear them a lot. But there are not Carhartt tough for sure.
Hey Brian, what is the name of that sleeping bag company that you were repping that had really affordable down bags? I think they were located in Utah? Can you reply with that company's name? Thanks.
Outdoor Vitals. I used their bag this weekend on a Boy Scout campout and was toasty.
how are they held up on longevity 😊
Considering the fact that mine are stained from work, but not torn I’d say they’re doing fine
in my opinion "tactical" clothing has always stood out like a sore thumb no matter how they try to tone it down. I've always gotten by with a pair of Wrangler cargo pants and I can buy me four or five pairs for the price of a pair of those. If .511 gave me a pair I wouldn't say no.
;-)
Just the pants I'm looking to buy and what'ya know... Your amazing video review came out in the top results 🥰
What color is that ?
I got spoiled on the front phone pocket on the ascent pants. really sad these don't have that :( also like their knife pockets right behind the main pocket. not going to ever be able to wear anything else for my normal everyday pants.
agreed. and that waistband on the tru specs is awesome.
The phone pocket is my favorite feature bit it's really on the side, right?
Yes true. I just would never want to put my phone in a back pocket. I sit down most of the day.
You forgot about the little pocket at the bottom of the left leg. Inside the bottom of left leg.
I didn’t forget. I didn’t know about it. Thanks for the tip.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Lol it took me a while too, my girlfriend works at 511 and she's the one who showed me.
Excellent review
I know this is relative and subjective, but how would you feel wearing these pants in summer conditions? Are they breathable? Heavy vs light wieght? You mentioned they were 6 Oz canvas, but it's a bit difficult for me to conceptualize what that feels like or compare to. I live in S. Fla where it's summer 360 days of the year. Thanks.
I wear mine in the summer. They are actually pretty cool. But I don't live as close to the equator as you ;-)
I live in SFL and had these for a couple of years. They are my favorite sailing pants for long days on Biscayne Bay. I have used them for hiking trips as well as kicking around town.
Shrinkage?🤔
remove some repeat and blooopers and you'd have a 'quick' 7min but i'm convinced the two you noted are worth a look.
Thanks for watching.
Not sure if this was mentioned in previous comments, but there are also handcuff key holders at the bottom of the pant leg as well.
Godo point
I´m wearing those pans right now and I love them too!
You forgot to mention the little "handcuff-key-pocket" on the lower left leg, look inside ;-)
Best wishes from Leipzig - Germany
Yes I did.
Nice review Bryan! You need to check out the 511 ridgeline pants. They are my favorite. More of a dress pant and I wear almost everyday. I have 5 pair so yes I have a problem. Thanks again! Your Delta buddy MD!
I will do that. Thanks
Hey Brian, check out the cuff of the left leg. There should be another handcuff key pocket there.
Yes there is. I missed that on the video
also...is that the new Maximet manix 2?? how do u like the steel? I have 4 manix's right now and would love to add that one to the collection.
So far so good. I just got it from Spyderco at SHOT Show last month. So far I really like it. It is crazy sharp.
Love my Apex pants as well. Got all the colors except the black one. They're not overly tactical looking due to the the discreet zippered cargo pockets and has a slimmer fit compared to their previous designs. Great review!
I agree
I wear slim jeans like the Levi's 511. I wear a 34x30 and that's what I wear for the Apex Pant. Does anyone else have the same size as me? I feel like I should've got a 34x32 instead. It feels a bit too short
I wear 34x30 and it is perfect for me
Survival On Purpose thanks for the reply. Awesome video by the way, do you wear the same size in jeans?
You could also put a RATS tourniquet in the sleeve inside of the waist band.
I use James Lovell's method th-cam.com/video/xaan6-VEYro/w-d-xo.html
another good option if u don't need the cargo pockets are the vertx delta stretch pants. I have two pair and absolutely love them.
I like the cargo pockets
I'm shocked! Shocked and dismayed. They do look nice though. I'm gonna have to try a pair.
I know. I just call 'em like I see 'em. I like these pants
Good except for the lack of fastenings on the back pockets which are really essential - must have a safe wallet pocket. Also could do with a clip for hanging keys down into the right-hand pocket without actually wearing the pocket out.
True
Is it really ok to wear these even though I'm not a cop or a vet? Even in the city? I'm considering to buy 5.11 amd propper pants that don't look too tactical to wear them in the summer because they are fresh.
And by fresh I mean they don't over heat you like Jeans would in the summer.
Why not
Survival On Purpose what I was thinking is that since I'm not part of the tactical community I shouldn't wear these. these type of pants are really better for hot weather.
I like your belt.. Where did you get it ?? Would the Apex pants make good work pants ??
With the tefflon, Do they breath and stay cool ?? Have you reviewed the Smart Holster ??
Here's the belt: th-cam.com/video/-19qOTwb_fc/w-d-xo.html
The pants are pretty cool, but I have not worn them in really hot weather yet. And I have not seen the Smart Holster, but I don't see me changing from my Hawg Holster. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
@@SurvivalOnPurpose what size and color is sir ??
nice pants, love the zipper fitted cargo pockets, with the pockets inside, cool pants, cool idea's.
I agree
This was *NOT* a quick video
Compared to some of mine it was ;-)
Nice manix 2 light weight, what do you think of the maxament steel?
So far so good
Great video I think I will get myself a pair what kind of belt were you wearing. Have a great day 👍
This is the belt: th-cam.com/video/-19qOTwb_fc/w-d-xo.html
At a fourth of the cost, I have found the LAPG pants hard to beat.
I have heard they are good
Wow that's really bad. I put my wallet in the back pocket and I need to secure it!
The outer back pocket is pretty deep. Deeper than most jeans
I put my wallet in the zippered side pocket.
I trusted you on the Tru-Spec Ascents and love them! I think I'll give these a try too! Thanks for the videos!
You will be glad you did.
Good review, you hit all the points.
Now footwear, boots and stuff pls.
here's one th-cam.com/video/u7OU0ccyw6w/w-d-xo.html
They are perfect. Two months in a raw and still no negative impression.
Good to know
they look very nice but I just don't like the $80 price tag for a pair of pants.
+Craig Banach they are not cheap
clearly not. although I did just drop $70 on a pair of TRU-SPEC multi cam rip stop pants, so whats another $10 lol
do you have a link for the truespec pants ? I didn't know if you had them on your Amazon account to support your site. Thanks
By the way , I stopped carrying a phone in the back pocket after batteries started exploding and or burning because they get broken. Side thigh pocket or clipped to belt is safer by far. Just an FYI.
Peace
Yeah, I don't prefer that either.
Here is my video on the pants th-cam.com/video/KR5v6YjniMs/w-d-xo.html
And here is the Amazon link that supports the channel (and me): survivalonpurpose.com/Tru-Spec-Ascent
Survival On Purpose Thanks Bryan
Do they have shorts?
I am not sure
Survival On Purpose yes
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+kevin Schmith ok
The Holster is called the Smart Carry..
Thanks
try polish UTP from Helikon
They look like good pants.
pick up those branches mister!
Feel free to stop by and tidy up whenever the feeling hits you ;-)
Woodchucks have nothing on Chuck................
exactly
Good looking pants, going to get me some!
They really are
is this good to use in winter? nice review. thanks
They are actually kind of thin for winter. I wear mine year round but it doesn’t get that cold here.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose thank you
good pants.
I agree
awww 3rd comment
Hmmm.
Survival On Purpose tried to be first lol.. great videos though love the way you run the channel!
what animal at 7:34
Animal? What animal?
I'm a big fan of the Tru-Spec pants, but I'll have to give these a try. Thanks for the review.
They are testing my allegiances
great video
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Kitanica Gen2 pants, there is no better.
7:35 👃👍
+a Bad Mojo ;-)
+a Bad Mojo ;-)
Very good video, thank you. I have a question about where you talk about the "stretchiness" of the. How stretchy are the legs? As a practitioner of taekwondo, my first concern is my ability to kick high in pants. Do these allow you to be limber enough to stretch your legs out well?
I think so but it has been decades since I did a wheel kick.