Law & Order - The Reenactment
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- The defense stages a reenactment to demonstrate that the defendant was acting in self-defense, which agitates the attendees at the court.
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Season 1, Episode 2. A "self-defense" subway shooting prompts legal chaos when questions arise about who the real victim is.
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I only ever went to court once and the amount of "objections" the lawyers yelled at each other would've put any crime show to shame. I was stuck there for 10 hours just listening to them bicker back and forth. And btw it wasn't even the actual case I was there for, it was jury selection, and they didn't even pick me they already picked the jury they wanted 7 hours in and I still wasn't allowed to leave.
can you bring either a phone or a switch during that time?
GAMBANJUJJJ - my dad brings a book when he does jury duty
And people always say they are not as dramatic and yell objection all the time lmao
If it was just jury selection why were the lawyers even there?
@@starwarsnerd100 It's a process called Voir Dire. Lawyers question the jury pool to find any biases and dismiss them until both sides reach a jury they both agree on.
Shambala Green was the only defense attorney who routinely won against Ben Stone. A legend.
Michael Moriarty definitely the most convincing prosecutor of the entire series
Also much more ethical than McCoy too.
No. Sam Waterston
I think you're right. But I still like Robinette better and McCoy best.
Im new to law and order is he a good guy or a bad guy?
@@Chronically_JBoo he was the original prosecutor for the series
As a woman I understand fear, when men make unwanted advances in a compact place, the fear and the instinct to survive takes over.
Oh yes. Especially if you have prior situations
This world that we live can be dark as hell.
Absolutely.
The fear is not irrational.
I can agree, though I just also believe that she might have been a tiny bit racially biased. Again that’s just my thought.
@@Toneill029 Maybe the character was aware of FBI statistics?
Wouldn’t a reenactment in open court be considered a cause for a mistrial? Obviously the judge told the defence attorney to not make this a theatrical event and she intended to disobey that order
Transitfan93 Productions I think they would have to prove that the guy who flipped out was told by the defense attorney to do that.
Agim Ardolic no the part where the 2 guys came to the witness and tried to cause her to break down, she knew what she would do ever before the judge warned her
We're talking about the Laws of more than 20 years ago. The reenactment won't be allowed these days on grounds of relevance and/or racial profiling.
@@sanedcab1Mexico more likely denied because criminal blacks would reveal their true colors. the shot criminal outburst destroyed stone's case.
Law & Order is a drama show, so it takes some liberties with the actual ways the law and the courts work.
What sort of judge would allow that circus?
Thank Green for that reenactment
A bunch of judges would, prior to the increased availability of video surveillance as evidence.
Check out the Ruden case (Las Vegas, I think), IRL. It was a circus...
This judge isn’t doing his job
Now that's a rare form
Drama series, not reality series.
Not like Judge Ito did his either
A lawyer friend of mine said that if they were to make a TV series about the court system that was 100 percent realistic, it would put the viewers to sleep.
Tacohead Makenzie OJ proved otherwise. Then again, you need guys like Kato Kaelin and someone as charismatic as Cochran
"What were the extent of those injuries?"
"They were fairly extensive."
*snorts and snickers*
Judge: *let's prosecutor ramble on and on like a Shakespearean monologue*
Defense attorney: *stands up and makes perfectly reasonable comment, no different in tone or purpose than prosecutor*
Judge: *instantly* Hurry it up, lady.
Sure. Makes sense.
This episode was deep and one could write a whole thesis on this clip alone. Down to the part the black man gets upset thinking the black men should be on his side despite his criminal conduct..
Blacks will be blacks and it’s a travesty not more aren’t making their voices heard about the travesty that is Black Lives Matter which has no semblance on equality or justice for all. It’s pure retribution,
@@supercooled Slow down bukko, don't group African Americans with the rest of the blacks in the world. A lot of us just try to move on with our lives and do our thing but they don't even like or respect each other but expect others to respect them.
@@supercooled @KimmieyC WTF?? At least know what you’re talking about before you both make a comment. Some of us are trying to move on with our lives? Just wow. Thank God some of us care enough to try to make your life better.
@@siennavine81 that seems disingenuous. What is really the issue at the fundamental level? Are blacks oppressed like they say they are? What about affirmative action? Isn’t that an insult to black people that they need a helping hand or get a job. Employers who truly value a worker will hire the best for the job. Don’t show up to an interview with your pants hanging down your underwear would be a good start imo.
@@MisterMister5893 people dont show up to a job dressed like that you are just being ignorant. They dress like that on the street.
Everyone’s picking sides in this case but this isn’t plainly good or evil, this is supposed to make you think. Yes she had the intention to kill, but were the harassers in the right? I don’t think so. Both were in the wrong in different ways.
@@sitdowndogbreath I watched the whole episode yesterday and they said that she wasn't scared of them because she sat by them then got up and then sat by them again. She knew what she was doing all she wanted to do was kill the two black teens
@@bananaboat5031 I guess it's been a long time since I've seen this episode
@@sitdowndogbreath they were criminal scum. she never should have been charged
@@bananaboat5031 and that backfired on the prosecutor. even the other blacks there said she defended herself.
@@toomanyaccounts so she knew what she was doing though
Richard Brooks did an amazing job in the Firefly episode 'Objects in Space'.
Now we all know law & order is a circus, but we also realize the show's never been about legal accuracy. Each episode is an argument and we watch it because we love to argue back at it
Shamabala Green (Lorraine Toussaint ) was the ultimate defense attorney nemises on this show that no one could ever top...."Jesuitical casuisitry"....I'll give honorable mention to CCH Pounder as Carolyn Maddox an honorable mention....but Shambala was a formitble battle axe
I think she was my fav.
Her and Melnick.
WHAT OTHER ERRANDS DO YOU HAVE US RUNNING FOR THE DA!
The guy gets right in your face and asks "How 'bout a taste?" And you think he's talking about your lunch ? I would have pulled my gun too . . . and I'm not a woman . These guys have to realize that engaging in threatening activities is not a very safe way to behave . Find a different career .
But not really what happened is it, the prosecution did not do a very good job of objecting to this theatrical stunt.
An obvious copy of the Bernard Goetz case, the so-called "subway vigilante". First a grand jury determined no indictment. The DA convened another grand jury and finally got an indictment . Then at trial he was found innocent of the attempted murder charge but guilty of a minor gun charge. All 4 perpetrators were criminals and went back to a life of crime after recovering except for one who was crippled for life from the shooting. He sued Goetz and won a large award, which he never collected a penny from.
Oh yeah didn’t the shooter also try to run for mayor. Like I get it they were criminals but I think it’s really saying something that a lot of your talk is directed at a particular demographic of “criminal”, it really paints a picture that makes you seem less of a man who was using legal force, to a guy looking for an excuse.
@@Toneill029 Your delusional if you think there was anything more than they were criminals. That you presume criminals means a certain demographic is your own racism.
The judge is litterally failing at his job, like what is this??
relax, this is just a tv series, if in real life, that would be a reason for appeal.
The lawyer objected and the judge didnt even rule on it lol. This tv courtroom bullshit is out of control
@@asahel980 I’m pretty sure this did happen in real life.
@@asahel980 Still has to be realistic
@@JIF882 lolwut?
I remember the episode. She was acquired on a mistrial.
Thanx
You mean acquitted?
@@ramboroxy123 damn voice to text
iPad mistype. Acquitted. I spend half of time correcting what iPad corrects me from. It is a hassle.
@@AntonioCostaRealEstate no kidding
YOUNG BLONDE MIRANDA ?!?!?
sexy miranda
She is a natural blonde
With a mullet, no less.
That was my reaction, a Miranda so young, fresh-faced and blonde.
Who’s Amanda’s? That’s Cynthia Nixon.cc
1:24 "I wouldn't shoot you..." She probably wouldn't have. Dude is dressed nice. Speaks clearly. People don't always get the option of looking their sunday's best or even looking traditionally approachable. Also, Tons of black people have been in an area where they were harassed and engaged. How many of them do you think have the luxury of fighting back?
You're not wrong but also, people are less likely to get shot if they don't go harassing people in public.
Sexual harassment may have had something to do with it more than the way they dressed you know
@@dryb3301
True but I think she also developed a clear racial bias after her attack. She may have also had some feelings about it before hand as well. This case was purposefully portrayed to make you question who is in the wrong and ultimately you can’t find an swear because it’s fucked from the start.
@@Toneill029The fact of the matter is blacks have a far higher crime rate than any other race. So racial bias is actually justified.
Keep the L&O uploads coming. Especially the early 90s episodes. Ben Stone > Jack McCoy .
What? Better than McCoy?!?? What are you smoking???
Ben Stone was clinical
The big thing I’ve taken from this is I will never move to New York
“What the homeboys doing knockin’ for da white boots?” - What the hell does that even mean?!
“Why are people with the same skin color selling us out to help the prosecution make a case.”
It’s not that hard man
@@AndrewBarsky It was hard for me. Thank you for explaining.
folks not boots
Even though this episode was carefully scripted, it still smacked of very relevant issues back then and today. More of the early L & O episodes touched on this issue of racism in a way that made the watching audience deliberately pay attention...
Commenting as a Canadian, I have watched a number of documentaries across the years about prison conditions in the United States. One can only be deeply disturbed by the large number of Black people incarcerated in that country.
Research has shown that ninety percent of people serving prison time in America grew up without fathers, which is not the same thing as saying that ninety percent of people who grow up without fathers end up in prison.
When one considers the fact that between seventy and eighty percent of Black children in America grow up without fathers, right then and there one realizes where the problem lies.
First off, the problem of children growing up without fathers needs to be addressed and rectified. Secondly, parents need the wherewithal to withdraw their children from a failing public school system, which means that measures such as school vouchers, charter schools, and other such measures must be the order of the day.
Finally, it's time to end the war on drugs which disproportionately harms Black and other minority communities.
@@marktyrrell7196 Correlation is not causation and you're ignoring the third variable for the sake of a simplistic narrative.
Many people in prison grew up without fathers in the home because those fathers were in prison or dead. They were in prison or dead because of systemic prejudice on racial and class bases (poor, minority communities are overpoliced, mandatory minimums, etc., etc.).
So, these people then grew up in those same communities (overpoliced, etc.) that imprisoned or killed their fathers.
Is it the lack of a father that leads to higher incarceration rates (not higher CRIME rates, mind you)? Or is it the conditions inflicted on those communities? And even if you make an argument it's not the conditions, it would *still* be the conditions that caused the lack of fathers in the home.
@@Unagodd thank you for your feedback.
I would like to know your opinions around the matters of school choice and the war on drugs.
Former Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul has documented the racist origins of drug prohibitionism in his book 'The Revolution.' Perhaps on this point we share significant overlap.
I am British by birth and Canadian by upbringing and in 2008 Maclean's magazine made a cover story around the subject of the large White underclass in my country of origin. Said White underclass faces the very same issues which confront the Black American underclass.
The article had a photo of a young blonde-haired White single mother living alone in public housing. I could not help but think that this could just as easily have been a young Black single mother living in the projects in Chicago or New York.
Finally, consider the case of Jewish Israelis who have their origins in the surrounding Arab nations. With the founding of the state of Israel, Arab leaders reacted with a series of brutal pogroms which led to entire Jewish communities being forcibly driven out with only the clothes on their backs. The overwhelming majority of them landed in Israel where they soon formed an underclass.
There were many reasons for this, but in his book 'My Promised Land,' Israeli writer Ari Shavitz documents how the destruction of the authority of the father of the family was a leading factor in the development of this underclass.
Unagodd, we obviously have a lot to talk about. I look forward to hearing from you again.
On December 22, 1984, four teens, Barry Allen, Troy Canty, Darrell Cabey, and James Ramseur, were shot and wounded by Bernhard Goetz on a New York City Subway train in Manhattan.[1][2][3][4]
Goetz surrendered to police nine days later and was charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses. Initially Goetz was viewed by most as a victim and by some as a vigilante, and he received widespread public recognition and support. A grand jury refused to indict Goetz on the more serious charges, voting indictments only for criminal gun possession. However, public opinion about Goetz wavered due to statements and alleged damaging details of the incident that later were released by the prosecution.[5] Goetz was then re-indicted by a second grand jury on more serious charges. At a later jury trial he was found guilty of one count of carrying an unlicensed firearm, for which he served eight months of a one-year sentence. In 1996, Cabey, who had been left paraplegic and brain damaged as a result of his injuries, obtained a civil judgment of $43 million against Goetz,[6] though to date[when?] Cabey has yet to receive this money from Goetz.
This show always brought the heat
Prosecutor was testifying. She wins on appeal.
Defense attorney was testifying and addressing the jury instead of questioning her client.
Defense counsel was testifying and addressing the jury instead of questioning her client.
Fictional show. Calm down.
3:23 It would've been better if he'd said "Oww!!!"
The Bernie Goetz episode. Same story, they did it well.
The two guys from crime stoppers jackets have the same patch as MACVSOG it looks like. If anyone is curious they were a unit in Vietnam that did cross border operations. Literally the most badass dudes with the craziest missions I've ever read about. Those guys were absolute legends. Mostly made up of Green Berets but had some SEALS and supported heavily by air wing units.
That bailiff looks so much like Andy Griffith...
Is that Cynthia Nixon?
Yes
The big picture is this: If you dont train they will claim youre irresponsible and could have hurt someone else shooting wildly.
But if you train and learn to be careful THEN YOU ARE A COLD BLOODED KILLER!!!!!
Kinda been there.
The shots to the groin sure speaks to mindset I say
@@AdeptPaladin yes, absolutely effective
Exactly 🗣
Always shoot to kill. If not, dont shoot at all. You're in danger or you're not.
@@frankconley6321 um sorry but no. With that mentality there would be a lot more dead people. If you are in danger and you have a gun you can shoot near the feet or legs instead of killing a living person and then having to live with the fact that you killed a person for the rest of your life.
Now I have to pay my 2.16 on youtube and watch this one.
Aight Miranda 😂🤦🏾♀️ bad hair I see
80’s-90’s fuzzy 😉
That is a POWERFUL mullet
I knew it was miranda from the voice without looking first lmao
i want her as my lawyer, she is a beast
Baby Miranda and Vee from OITNB visiting L&O
I understood this entire sentence and I loved it!
This is why I'm an ex-New Yorker. You should not have to defend self-defense. The thugs fkd around and found out. Period.
OOOOOO! Them old L&O got some SPICE!
What episode is this i need to watch the rest
Wondering why no clips from seasons 2 & 3 with Paul Sorvino as Logan's partner, but seasons 4 &5 are represented? Also no clips from seasons 6 - 9 with Rey Curtis as Briscoe's partner. . ?
This guy sounds like Jerry Seinfeld
Bernhard Goetz the subway vigilante
This particular show, is based on the actions of one Richard Gaetz, the NYC subway, the self defense shooter.
His name is Bernard Goetz.
Also alleged self defense shooter, his beliefs certainly and rightfully put his motives into question.
@@Toneill029 He did the right thing. Thankfully, he never ended up paying a single penny out of the civil judgement that followed the trial.
2:07 he calls her 'Mister' lol
Miss Di Biasi he says
If you think you can depend on your "homeboys" to back you up when you're obviously guilty of the crime, you better think again.
DanVaverick I don’t think anyone in that court room denies he was ramping his friend and possibly himself up for rape. However the question remains of did they go far enough to have what the woman did justify as self defense. You aren’t allowed to shoot men who are about to break into your house even if they are standing outside waiting for a opportunity. You contact the authorities and have them handle it.
@@georgehoyle8797 she was going to contact the authorities on a train, right in front of them? She was already in a dangerous situation, the woman obviously had PTSD and was scared out of her mind, and rightfully so in my opinion. They weren't outside her house, they were in her face.
@@remusblack6875
That's the reason they're in court. They had yet to actually harm her, but with intent that visible to her was she in the right?
That's what led to this explosive situation (she secretly hoped someone tried to hurt her so she could lash out + they actually wanted to hurt her).
@@remusblack6875
Yes that’s true but I also think she developed some strong racial biases that played a factor in her actions. Shooting one of the guys sure that made sense but the other guy didn’t even do anything and yet she him too, to me that fair question.
@@juliantapia1407
Basically it then becomes a case of putting two people on trial, the perpetrator and the victim. I am of-course referring to the kid in the chair who from what I remember, stuck with the story that he didn’t even touch her but that the deceased did intend her harm.
People below/above saying the job isn't doing his job. Heres a few reminders; This is a fictional show, focusing on character interaction. These VERY IMPORTANT SCENE would not have happened if this was a real court room with a real judge. Yes, it is a obvious this would be thrown out of court as soon as it started but it isn't. This is all fiction. Enjoy it and quit ruining it.
If your gonna be harassing someone be prepared for them to come back at you
So if this was the other way around the black person would been in jail as soon as the gun shot went off stfu she could have moved or something
Agreed!
@@rachelfreeman208 If that is the case, then it is a failure of the system. Not the problem of someone who stood up against wrong.
@@Roonlovesfish3874
This case is meant to be not clear just like in real life. Was this self defense or a racially charged attack, are the victims guilty of crime themselves or for the color of their skin, did this woman do it because she was protecting herself or for revenge, are the victims really victims if they were criminals? The whole thing is purposely vague and in determinate because that’s what it ultimately is there is no defined line about right and wrong, guilty and innocent.
@@rachelfreeman208 Nonsense. Stop assuming such garbage. There was a black ex con who wasn't allowed to own a gun who shot 4 cops entering his residence. Only charge the jury found him guilty of was possession of a weapon. the rest was considered justified.
Lorraine!!!!!!!! 🇹🇹🇹🇹
"Jetuistical casuisary"???? Did Lorraine Toussaint just say a spell there???
WOW
Whoa! Miranda with a mullet!
I love when "real" shows go full on harry potter
What does that mean?
It's a TV show people, not real life.
Justa TV show... Based on real life events. LoL
U know everything they talk about has happened all over the world right... like it's real real. These problems r actually happening in America
@@LeeLee-jq3yd Mostly presented to make real events fit into the writers' prejudices, yep.
@@chenrobbins Prejudices! That is a heavy word. What is your evidence for that?
Criminals have no respect for the law.
Water is wet
Anyone know how it ended
This is as far from what really goes on in a court room as the earth is from the sun.
Miranda and Mr. Big were in this
Did anyone else catch the look she gave Stone at 5:16? Is it just me or did she look ready to shoot him if she had a gun?
That’s why while I sympathize and understand that she was indeed traumatized in the past and do believe in her right to defend herself. I do believe she has racial biases and the fact that the victims were black were definitely a factor in her response. Cause it’s one thing to shoot the guy who was allegedly threatening you, it’s another to shoot the guy next to him, who had done nothing at the time.
I reckon what happened to the ending...?
She’s in the right, she got retribution and in my opinion i’d rule in her favour.
You could argue for the dead guy but it’s hard to argue for the guy who is now crippled.
None of this would be allowed in a real court. The trial portions of this show were a mess in season one, legally speaking.
I want this defense attorney.
OG Cynthia Nixon
She was the nanny in Baby's Day Out. That's how face is so familiar.
No wonder Miranda was never a fan of Big 😏
She did go on to big and Black...
Yo did she tried to refer to homeboy as one of the "good ones"?
What happens afterwards?
she pleaded guilty to gun possession and reckless endangerment charges
that sounds like ice t
Love her 1980s hair.
Did she end up winning?
Yes, I'm ignorant, but what was the point of Green's reenactment?
It backfired
I wonder how it ended up she get time ?
@@minwellitsanicknamebegrate2531 Nope
@@minwellitsanicknamebegrate2531 she got 1yr for unregistered gun
@@karonbarwick541 nope helped her case
lawyers would be tackled to the ground in real life if they were that close to the witness box or the jury stand. Plus a good lawyer can make their point without moving or show malice
4:14 7:05 Same shot of the jury
Good catch!
That’s a common thing believe it or not.
Some folk just don’t know how to talk to women.
Especially in the 80's to 90's
What is the plot of this episode and what ends up happening?
It's in the description of this video
Reminds me of the Zimmerman murder of Trayvon Martin! Self-defense or looking to kill?
TheBatugan77 Not too racist are you! Is that what you do judge and convict and execute because of skin color!
RIH Trayvon Martin
the hell with him
@@mastermonarch WT?
@@mastermonarch
💩💩💩 Have a barbecue.
It’s hard for men to understand how women feel threatened and scared by them ( violent men ) .
😮
so what happened next? did the girl found guilty or not?
That was disgusting to have that corny ass reenactment. Definitely a circus act by that point.
That lady was in another episode of law and order SUV ft. Olivia and stabler
I was hoping she would play an older more jaded Ms Dibiasi.
Cynthia was also in L&O Criminal Intent.
That black woman was in the movie Hudson Hawk .
Baby's Day Out
Yep
isnt this based on true story. and the guy was praised as a hero , because new york is plagued with mugging.
Goetz was actually considered a villain because he said stupid things that made him look like a psychopath and danger to the public. Thing is he never said the things he claimed during the shooting. He also hid for nine days rather then remain on the scene and request a lawyer. if he had done that and kept his mouth shut by never talking to the police Goetz would never have been charged nor gone to court. He would have had to relinquish the gun and would be told to leave NYC as soon as possible.
I wonder what the verdict was.
Saw the full episode way back when. She was convicted!
@R. H. Kingpin Thankx, I thot sure I remembered a verdict. It has been a long time. There are times the judicial sucks. This was one of them.
@@frederickwise5238 Unfortunately, the theatrics of court cases means even if you have evidence, it won't be enough to convict.
Cuz like Bernie Goetz the stupid gun charge
They reinterviewed the guys shot and they revealed they were intending to hurt her so the prosecutor dropped the murder charge. She only got a year on the gun charge since it was an unregistered gun.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Cynthia Nixon in this episode and she was so young, fresh-faced and hot.
Sober up. And lay off the street drugs.
@@TheBatugan77 What on Earth are you going on about?
What a creep
@@FafTheMan Just pointing out the obvious,, back in the day Cynthia Nixon was a very attractive woman also I think she was well cast for this role.
Elis Gray
Hutson hawk the lawyer mis Green played kit kat .
Thank u! I was trying to place her!
8:54
was that wesley snipes?
I was wondering the same thing.
So according to the DA trying to make his quota, he doesn't think you should be able to defend yourself. Only the government can have guns.
And thusly, the point was missed
@@LaughingJokerProd so cryptic. Bots should be More articulate.
@@alexaponte3664 nice one no pfp
@@LaughingJokerProd PFP must be the new thing all the kids are blindly following now. So PFP to you too.
@@alexaponte3664 Took you that long to respond bot? Wow you got some slow processing.
U should have put Cynthia in the thumbnail >:c
I wouldn't convict her. They tried to Mau Mau her, bang bang they are wounded, to bad!
I know back years ago it was hard to claim self-defense and still be charged for murder by an overzealous prosecutors. I knew a guy name Dan who and his wife were being robbed and were violently beaten until he gather some strength fight the thugs off and he killed one of them when the defendant push one of the perps and fell backwards and hit his head on the edge of the sidewalk, the stupid prosecutor charge him with 2nd degree murder and the stupid jury found him guilty he was to serve 60 years in prison. Dan appealed, he was denied four times until Indiana State Supreme Court vacated Dan's murder charge and his sentence due to fact that Indiana had self-defense laws, a very old law that many lawyers have missed...Dan spent nearly a decade in Indiana State Prison before he was released.
How does this episode end? Is the woman on trial not found guilty?
learn what wikis are for
she was acquitted of murder since it was self defense. But she got community service and probation for firing a gun in a crowded subway.
That stunt was sn outrage, that doesn't tell us what happrned
Wow! The reenactment staged by that defence lawyer! People will do anything for money! Zora Neale Hurston, is quoted as saying: “All my skinfolk ain’t my kinfolk.”
i cant comment....that means yes