I love how everyone (including me) refers to the bad guy as "Jude Law" instead of the character's actual name because no one remembers the character's actual name
Because he is not named until more than halfway through the movie. I've also noticed all of the newly-introduced characters in this movie (except Captain Marvel) are called by their actors names-Ben Mendelsohn,Annette Bening,Lashana Lynch,Jude Law-because the characters are so one-note and generic
@Jimmy Barker Ares is shit too. But the difference between him and Yon-Rogg is the acting. Ares is poorly acted. Jude Law at least brings some energy to the empty role he plays.
Yeah but you could take out nick fury and he just does nothing besides show her down. Actually carol would’ve been completed with her mission much faster. She could just head straight to Louisiana and figure out the clue and go to marvells spaceship thing and defeat the kree and get the space stone. And the movie would’ve been over in like 45 minutes because she just flies through everything and blows it up
That would've been the most logical choice for Marvel Studios to do. Since Endgame was going to be Black Widow's final appearance (pending possible revival), it would've made more sense telling a story about her life as a Russian spy and how she became the Black Widow we now know and love.
@@snowballthebunny1277 I think MCU should'nt do More Solo Hero Movies its kinda pointless unless its not on earth and is in space like Thor 4 and Maybe even Doc Strange 2 The Hero Roaster has grown so much that there will be no movie with a powerful villain on earth unless all the Ground Lvl Avengers Appear in them Or it could take place before 2012
Natasha Romanov is in my opinion a very strong female character that doesn't need social pandering to stand for herself. She even tricked the god of lies into telling her his plans! (Avengers I "So it's the hulk you are after... thanks!") On top of that, she doesn't even have super-powers and still is good enough to be part of the Avengers where they have a members who really have inhuman abilities. Let that sink in
@@RandomL0s3r Dude that 1 word change by one of the FIVE main characters in that movie displayed more character development and personality than the entire CM movie that's all about her.
There was one scene in Wonder Woman that sold me hook line and sinker. When the men were talking about how they couldn't get past the machine guns or the snipers, and were limited to the trenches. Hearing this, Wonder Woman leaves the trench and attempts to break through the machine gun nest, only to find that she couldn't. Seeing her plight, the soldiers came in and took out the nest while the enemy was distracted by Diana. The men couldn't do it by themselves. Wonder Woman couldn't do it by herself. It was only after they put aside their differences, put aside useless sexism and went to arms that they were able to accomplish their goals *by working together*. Brilliantly written and gorgeously shot, proud to see DC finally starting to get their stuff together
This 100%. Wonder Woman was powerful and could open up opportunities for her team to help her with. But she still had limitations. Certain things still needed a team backing her up. She felt powerful, without feeling invincible.
Sequel idea, Straight from the older X-Men comics: Rouge steals Captain Marvels powers by accident and has to take on Carol's duties . . . Rouge is such a fun and interesting character. It's a shame the X-Men movies butchered her.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Nah she would be too powerful, she took down Thanos's entire ship in a matter of minutes with one well planned slice, do you really think the avengers could handle that 😂
Well thats how they advertised it. "If you dont see this movie, you wont understand endgame". Brilliant scam because marvel knew it was a b or c grade movie
Isn't it ironic how they gave Captain Marvel NO weaknesses but still Natasha Romanoff, a woman with no supernatural abilities, can beat her down ten times harder in terms of personality and intrigue?
maybe 2 times harder, not 10, and cause captain marvel is really bad, but they crapped on romanov’s character too. they started her as a caricature made for males, waited years before giving her decent development, and even that, was made in 2 scenes. and then they aborted it poorly. we praise natasha bcause she’s the less worse treated, but she deserved so much better
@@crimberlies not to mention task master he was the worst treated marvel character ever, that's probably because of how good he was but the mcu version just sucks. Hope they dont make doom into a gay black women when he gets added
just remember when Chris Hemsworth mentioned how his daughter loved Wonder Woman, oh and he said that in a interview while sitting alongside with the actress of Capt Marvel
Wonder Woman had her own, stand-alone story that was motivating and emotionally charged. It showed her working to get where she was. Captain Marvel was just used as an Endgame plot device.
The war scene where Steve says this is no man's land no man can cross it. If was a marvel movie they would've had the female say line well I'm no man. In wonder woman she just did it.
Agreed! I mean, when Marvel is doing feminism it's super cringe! Just like CM and Avengers Endgame where every female superheroes group up kinda ruined the whole battle for me.
@@KenKaneki-st6td Exactly. In Infinity War, it felt powerful when they all went to save Wanda but after, in Endgame, when they all circled around Peter; it felt forced and unnatural, like Marvel and the writers were basically just, "Hey, look at us! Powerful women! Feminism, yay!"
Exactly. I'm all for women getting more recognition with superhero roles in movies. However, Marvel has done a pretty poor job of doing this. It always comes off as forced. That "women power" scene in the Endgame finale fight really took me out of the film because it was sooooo horribly staged.
CPT Marvel: perceives to hate everybody. Has the biggest ego that she is somehow a god with unlimited power Wonder Woman: Realizes she isn't powerful enough at times and requires help.
honestly, i dont even have a problem with her being arrogant, know-it-all and having a god-complex, because that can be an interesting personality too. But if you make her arrogant, give her moments in the movie where it backfires on her, where she is humbled, where her ego gets her and her friends in danger and where the audience realizes that she doesnt always know what to do. And most of all, show her growing more and more modest from her experiences. Thats how you make a relatable characters: someone with potential to growth
The only thing I remembered about Captain Marvel after I left the theatre was the cat. The only interesting character in that entire movie to me was the cat.
Wanda Maximoff will always be a better character of female representation than that of Captain Marvel because Wanda is 3 dimensional and has had clear struggles, triumphs and her motivations for what she does makes sense. Wanda is arguably one of the most powerful characters in the entire MCU without being pretentious and since she is more fleshed out as a character you're genuinely curious how her story is going to unfold especially now that they're setting her up as a loose cannon not really swaying for good or for evil right now.
There's also someone from the Avengers who has been with them very early on, one of the OG 6 even. Black Widow. Even not counting Wanda who is super awesome by herself, did everyone forget Nat? Like damn lol.
I like what my friend said about Captain Marvel the character: She has all of Tony Stark's douchebagness with none of his caring or depth to counter the douche, and all of (first Thor movie) Thor's blandness with none of his lovability to counter the bland.
I like that analysis too. I'd also add that in Tony Stark's case, his douchebagness is a character trait that the movies punish him for. It's displayed as a weakness by the script and the overall narrative. However, when Captain Marvel is an arrogant asshole and acts smug for literally the entire movie, it's portrayed as a strength. She's rewarded for it, and that sends the message to the audience that it's totally ok that she acts that way. That's what upsets me about that movie more than anything. I really hope that after she got wrecked by Thanos in Endgame, they'll humble her character a bit.
That's how I felt the entire movie. That she had all this "confidence" and "strength" portrayed as being judgemental and mean. But I expected that Nick Fury or someone would be like "Hey, you're not cool being mean. Stop it." And she would chill out or something, but that only kinda happened and I'm hoping that future movies will do this. Thank goodness Rocket jokes about her hair in Endgame.
It felt like she was trying to come across as arrogant, but it just came across as wooden, and allowed no connection to the man in character (audience seem to connect a lot more with Furey a lot more than Marvel)
The innocence of Wonder Woman which was endearing at the start turns out to be a flaw at the end that's why we sympathise with her no matter how cheesy it is. We've all had moments where we feel people are good and then we realise they're not even though it's so obvious.
Exactly. I was so intrigued by her because it was exactly how I felt when I started growing up, having problems, and such. And when it's finished with a great ending, I feel satisfied
Not just that, but smo with a humble good heart as Dianas, lost the man she loved twice 🥺. While Carol ...... 0 fucks given for her.....in the words of Ivar the Boneless "I wouldnt piss down her throat even if her lungs were on fire". One of the best scenes in What if was when Ultron obliterated her ass. She makes me cheer for Ultron. Thats not what a role model should be. And if you dont connect with a fictional character, to at least sympathise with them, then the more they try to shove her down my throat, the more I hate her.
Even if Captain Marvel was replaced by a male actor, no one wants to see someone that is all powerful and wins every time, unless it adds its own unique twist, like the anime One Punch Man.
Saitama is humble. He doesn't have an ego like the other S class heroes, nor does he brag about his achievements. Similarly superman is also extremely humble. All powerful characters are redeemable if 1. They're humble 2. They've earned their arrogance Carol Danvers is neither.
@@ayush885 In fact, Saitama is a Parody Sue, a perfect character purposely overpowered and perfect for satyrical purposes. He is what happens when someone actually is perfect: Saitama is perpetually demotivated and bored.
@@ayush885 Saitama isn't SUPER humble, and, like Carol, doesn't express much emotion, but Unlike Carol he's still very much human, basically he's OP, but not flawless. He worries about sales, he causes collateral damage and people get angry at him, he feels the need for adrenaline (Remember the dream Subterranean fight) and it's pretty known that he isn't the best at martial discipline, as seen in that one OVA, with that Rock Paper Scissors with Silver Fang But OPM also got an advantage of being a series, not a movie
Couldn't absolutely disagree more. Over powered special effects are just getting better and better. You have no imagination at all. So linear and limited...the more overpowered the better. In fact the race to show better and better special effects could be amazing- I love watching superman, and captain marvel being overpowered.
@@robotaholic same, i enjoy watching characters that are so overpowered and have absolutely no flaws that basically have no potential for any character growth and development, which makes it harder for the audience to relate and grow attach to. But hey, at least they have cool effects, right????
Captain Marvel being unrelatable could be solved easily by 1 single scene. In the final battle, Nick Fury trusted Carol to lead the team to fight against the Krees. However, Carol became too overconfident about her newfound powers to the point that she became reckless. She kept shooting photons at her enemies until one of her attack blasted the wall or a piece of shrapnel into Fury's eye, blinding him. Now, it's totally believable when Fury said "Last time I trusted someone, I've lost an eye." to Steve, because he trusted Carol too much but she betrayed his trust by not caring about his safety. Carol will also learn from this situation that she should use her power carefully the next time. Fury being mad at Carol also explained why he didn't call her when Loki and Ultron tried to destroy the world because he didn't really trust her until Thanos happened which he had to call her as the last resort.
@@mandy_mars they are saying what would make the line Nick Fury said work better. There are a lot of things that need to be changed to make the movie work better. Ijs 👍🏽💯
@@nont18411 Your suggestion is not bs, it is an actual improvement. You turned Carol into a relatable and fallible superhero and kept Nick Fury's dignity intact. Captain Marvel would have been a decent movie instead of a throwaway flick sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame.
I think why I didn’t like Captain marvel was she was too perfect, she didn’t have any weakness, nothing could stop her. And to me that took away potential growth for her character.
I think her character would have been grounded had someone, she loved the most, died because of her unstoppable strength. Not only that, but finding planets that have been destroyed due to her inability to be everywhere would have worked as well.
Well that's exactly what people expected for Superman at Man of Steel, a perfect superhero who saves everyone without even breaking a sweat. I'M SOOOO GLAD Zack Snyder did it differently otherwise we would've had the same thing that happened to Captain Marvel.
Black widow: is there from iron man 2. Great chracters. Is friend with other avengers. Appears in many crossover movies. Fans loved her. Marvel: yeah let's have our first female lead movie this unlikeable character.
It's almost as if marvel wanted to prove through this movie that solo female lead characters dont work.. 😂😂 And as someone who's watched it, I guess they were right? 😂
Christyandi K or at least choose a different person for the role, because Brie is the embodiment of a feminazi and write the script better. I always wondered why she had little to no role in Endgame, but now I see it. Apart from being a strong heroine feminist, she doesn’t have any character or personality. She just... kinda there so that feminazis like Brie don’t get mad at Marvel. Also, if not Black Widow, why not Scarlet Witch? She’s a great character and is OP done right!
@@katguingona425 Yeah pretty sure that's not how it works. It doesn't matter what gender the character is. WW worked fine and that was a female lead movie.
@CynicalPiscean I think the difference is in charisma and having an actual story behind said character. To be fair, despite being arrogant af, Tony Stark is super charming.
Wonder woman: Is that player who can solo the whole game but decides to push her team to win it with her. Capt. Marvel: Is the player who just solos the whole game.
I like this analogy, it really speaks to the difference of carrying a team and rallying a team. Wonder Woman spent her time convincing others to fight with her instead of going at it alone and thus created this team atmosphere where you feel like you can get anything done, Captain Marvel is the solo team carrier who blames the rest of the team for their failure because they can’t keep up.
now that you mention it Cap Marvel does feel like that Diamond 5 douche talking shit the whole game because he matched with a bunch of golds on the other team
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I can never feel her compassion for others when I see Danvers. Feels like she just does these acts of heroism because she has to but never really wants to.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom You forget that part where she _spoiler alert if you havent seen Endgame_ singlehandedly destroys Thanos' ship. IDK if any of the other heroes could've done it, but the fact that she just swoops in outta nowhere and pretty much takes out 1/2 of Thanos' power (he only had the army and the ship aka artillery at that point) just screams overpowered. So no, she can't be completely removed from the movie, as she is so stupidly powerful that the rest of the Avengers look weak in comparison. Oh and they also needed her in the movie for that super important scene where all the female Avengers teleport to the same spot to team up in the middle of the battle because.... female empowerment? I guess the directors pulled a Dany and kInD oF fOrGoT about the part where Scarlet Witch (a woman) overpowers Thanos to the point that he is forced to call in backup - something which Iron Man, Captain America, and Mjølnir-and-Stormbreaker-wielding THOR (the most powerful Avenger) was unable to achieve with their combined strength.
Captain Marvel does the opposite of what a female-led movie should do. In order to make Carol Denvers seem “powerful”, they just make her more masculine which defeats the purpose of female empowerment. At least for Wonder Woman they made Diana strong while still being a woman who expresses emotion and passion. Captain Marvel had the charisma of a cardboard box.
I will never understand this. Why do female writers/directors think making a woman have more "masculine" treats makes her more "empowered"? Isn't that like saying, "Men are powerful, women should be more like men"? Does that not defeat the purpose of powerful women?!?!
I think the inclusion of tomboyish women is great, as a tomboy myself. Female empowerment comes in all shapes and sizes. The wider range of female personalities represented the better, from full-on capable feminine roses to capable hard-ass warriorettes. I think Cpt Marvel was severely miscast, as Miss Larsen is so damn unlikeable in this film. The unbridled arrogance, bordering on haughtiness. Love a sassy character (Iron Man being a fave), but goddamn it needs to be paired with heart and wit. The lack of weaknesses just makes her completely unrelatable. Relatability (ironically, in a SUPERHERO movie) is paramount.
@@kardnails8729 actually, you DO understand this perfectly. Everything about feminism asserts that men are superior to women in every respect and that becoming empowered means becoming more like men. Female pronouns such as "actress", etc are being rejected in favour of male ones. The invention of the universal salutation "Ms" to replace traditionally feminine salutations "Miss" and "Mrs" in order to mimic the male "Mr." The degradation of feminine roles in family and relationships. The whole feminist platform is "manliness = strong, good, etc and femininity = bad, weak, etc."
Wonder Woman: Ends with the hero fighting an overpowered CGI monstrosity. Captain Marvel: Ends with the hero _becoming_ the overpowered CGI monstrosity.
@@StormyKopaAMVs bingo. An epic defeat super Nazi soldiers battle would have been perfect. And then hint at Aries as a teaser. Like Bond chasing Spectre, keep it just out of reach for a while.
My favorite moment in Wonder Woman was when she was so happily fascinated by a baby, and it didnt come across at all like 'silly woman has maternal instincts that can't be repressed' and more that Diana is curious and enthusiastic about everything and everyone
Yeah, Diana's pure love of babies and ice cream, as well as her charming and almost childish optimism and surprise at everything new she discovers, make her such a sweet, relatable and memorable character. I feel the movie managed to show us very well the same traits in the Wonder Woman character that made fans love Lynda Carter's TV show back in the 70s.
@@pyshyn I like how this was carried over to Shazam a bit with the little girl. She is just that; a cheery little girl, perhaps like the ones that are in many of our lives, and when she was transformed by the staff, she was just so endearing.
But even if it was because of maternal instinct that can't be repressed, why would that be a bad thing? Women have often been shamed for being attracted to babies and cute little thing, but remember that babies are a serious matter and maternal instinct is one of the strongest forces of the universe. What a female, woman or animal, can go through just for their babies is incredible. The sacrifices women can do for their children, that feeling of care and that need to protect them, that is powerful. Being a mother is powerful. Wanting to be a mother is a serious matter, and it's a beautiful thing. Women can choose what they want to be, and if some don't have strong maternal instincts, it is absolutely not a bad thing, they can choose to do something else. But most have maternal instincts and a woman who is attracted to motherhood and babies should never be shamed for it, because that woman, if you touch someone she cares for, will absolutely destroy you.
Wonder Woman is a team player, she’s friendly, caring, empathetic, and supportive of other people, her relationships and positive interactions with other people was what really made me love her!
Totally agree... I vividly remember her fascination for snowfalls, her dancing with Steve, her hearing a comrade singing on piano, listening to the inner evils of the comrade who failed to gun down the sniper... these little moments reflects her humanity and made her endearing
Genius. Simply... *chefs kiss* I’d be so pumped. That’s about the only way I’d get excited for another Captain Marvel movie. Wow. That’s a fantastic idea! I hope they see this comment, lol.
I think the best moment in either movie was when Diana and Chris Pine have that shouting right at the end, and the conflict of the film is out for everyone to see. It’s really powerful
Captain Marvel never made sense to me. I always thought that a Black Widow movie would be the first female lead character movie, for Marvel. Well 🤷🏻♀️. Here we are!
Ever since Carol Danvers was given the Captain Marvel mantle a few years ago Marvel has been pushing her to be the "face" of Marvel....it hasn't worked
@@pee-buddy it would have made a lot more sense, in my opinion, if black widow came first and then after they introduced Captain Marvel, they could have made the movie (people love the element of mystery) that's just my opinion though.
Being a girl myself, the thing that really lacked in Captain Marvel was relatability. Stay with me on this: In Wonder Woman there’s a scene where she charges out of the trench onto enemy lines, that’s a big “empowerment” moment. Diana is very powerful, but the fact that she did something so human makes a person feel like they could do it to. All she used was a shield to protect herself, she ran, not flew, and she made it out to the other side. Sure some of her power was used but it was subtle enough to make it feel human and relatable, like “I could do that too.” There were moments like that throughout the film. In Captain Marvel however, her powers always felt so overpowered to point it felt like “well I could never achieve that, I’m not a super hero, I can’t fly, (etc)” It just felt like an unreachable standard. Don’t get me wrong, there were parts that felt real(and I understand that this is a superhero film, it’s not always meant to be realistic) but, relatability is key when making a film designed to “empower.” That’s just my opinion tho. EDIT: Wonder Woman flies in the sequel so nvm also I hate both these movies after rewatching
Diana struggled and the movie has an arc. I can relate to the emotion of going crazy if I lost the love of my life... Both men and women get that feeling, because we're human. Diana shows more humanity than the other female character (captain Marvel?). Struggle is a big deal in relating.
That´s actually the biggest problem with mary sues in general. The people who write them try so hard to make them likeable and relatable that finishes being exactly the opposite.
Also, there's a matter of scale. Speaking of that scene with the shield, she is hiding from machine gun, with visible effort of staying alive. On the other hand, captain Karen flies through the fucking space ship without batting an eye. That's a huge difference. As you said, cowering under a gunfire makes the character a lot more human, even though I believe WW would beat the living shit out of Karen.
Completely agreed. Captain marvel tried so hard to empower women with feminism that it forgot that to do that,it needed to get women to relate, and let me tell you. As a woman,not only i couldn't relate,but the fact that the movie constantly reminded me how shes a "strong independent woman" got pretty annoying pretty fast
@@Yourmom-ih7zp I'm playing Darksiders 3 these days, and the main character is BADASS, without whining about "SHE'S A GIRL, LOOK!". Simply, you kill monsters, and that's it. Love it!
@ANDROGAMER nono it's because the women thar complint to the manager for stupid reasons are normally called Karem, and her superhero name should be Captain Karem
Sad thing is, I actually love the "I have nothing to proof to you" line. I can't tell you how often I felt as if I had to proof myself to the men in my life, and I know many women feel the same way. But this line didnt belong into this scene, and it was said by a character that PROOFS HERSELF THE ENTIRE TIME. Being a confident, strong woman doesnt mean knowing everything, it means being confident despite knowing that you will fail from time to time. It means seeking help instead of being too proud to accept it. It means learning from the men in your life, not rushing in and dominating them as if theyre worth nothing. I dont feel empowered by a female character that needs to be better than everyone else in order to be respected.
Idk why Cap Marvel reminds me of that boss lady who promotes 'girl power' then bullies her female employees whilst you would happily team up with Diana and produce a world winning project
@Michel-Ange Lafleur "Huh, so that's what it takes to have a character who's decently wtitten and likable?" If it's a female? Yes. Cause plenty of male leads similar to Captain Marvel get away with everything.
@Michel-Ange Lafleur Guys played by Chuck Norris, Arnold, Stallone, Willis. They get away with everything Carol does. Captain Marvel earned her powers through being willing to sacrifice herself to honor Mar-Vell's last wish to destroy the engine. By your logic, Bruce Banner, Scott Lang and Spider-Man were handed everything. She had as much development in her first movie as Steve did in his. She had little to answer for. Beats up bad guys...like every superhero.
Ordinary Someone Φ How are they both good role models? There both unrealistic women are not strong they can’t fight there not that smart and there both where just created to get some money from feminist.
Didn’t Natasha receive an EXTREMELY watered down version of Steve’s super soldier Serum. We see it in the comics, but I think it’s implied in her nightmare of the Red Room during Age of Ultron. She was in a hospital gown, bed, and room. However, that still doesn’t take away her skills that she WORKED for. The serum only gives her a very slight physical advantage, with a slightly faster healing factor.
The cinematography was also better. Wonder woman is a very beautifully shot movie and gives off very unique and cool vibes while Captain Marvel is on some TV show quality.
That I certainly agree with, but I'd say thats true of ALL DC movies moreso than Marvel. Hell, if you can make Superman look dark, then thats really a look they are obviously going for.
Don't to get color grading in Wonder Woman is far superior. Bright beautiful colors in Amazon island and dimmer colors (but never too ugly) colors in human world. It perfectly showed the contrast between Diana's peaceful homeland and the battle-ravaged world out there. And Diana herself always shines. She's literally the light for humanity. Exceptional use of color. Captain Marvel always looked gray and ugly.
@@tiaaaron3278 I'd say the opposite on that score, all the way through CM the colours were dull and grey until that little girl and her picked out the red for her costume, the final scenes had her pretty much glowing like an angel, in fact you could write a paper on the angelic propensities of female heroines versus the christlike characters of male superheroes. They are often being resurrected and going through tempations before ultimately making a sacrifice. I don't know if that holds up, it just occured to me but it seems fairly obvious when you think about how MUCH she glowed at the end. Not that they didn't do that in WW, like I said, I agree about the cinematography. Marvel at first used to try to make the heroes grounded in realism, as if this 'really could have happened'. After Thor they dumped that, for pretty obvious reasons, which is a problem because it makes scenes like where that general guy is trying to arrest captain america when there are alien invasions imminent just look crazy. But colour contrast is a fairly amateur way of introducing themes. Just because a film 'looks dark' doesn't actually mean much. But visually, yeah, I thought WW had that same dark look, I was just pretty bored through most of it, which wasn't the case with Captain Marvel.
@@mikearchibald744 Captain Marvel was gray and ugly. And unlike in Wonder Woman,that ugly color grading served no purpose. The Earth is gray and dull. Sometimes you couldn't even see what's going on like the battle on Torfa and in Mar-Vell's spaceship.
@@tiaaaron3278 have you not watched most of mcu movies? they're all dull in the color grading department. it has been dull since the 1st ironman. Idk how people had just noticed it now🤔
Hey, Disney should make a " *Captain Marvel vs Rey Skywalker* " film. SYNOPSIS: "Two perfectly perfect perfectionists perfectly performing perfectionism to perfection."
i don’t get why she was cast as Captain Marvel she literally can’t act and has the same acting range as a rock same facial expression in everything she does.
@@karinayleo in the same way that Tessa Thompson cant act. Brie is the white Tessa Thompson and Tessa is the black Brie Larsen. Neither of them are able to express any emotion other than bored
@@motodork the mcu is a mediocre universe compared to other good scifi and fantasy universes. Especially when it comes to projecting female power. It's too obvious and not in the least subtile. That's what triggers these toxic guys. Marvel just sucks at bringing statements, but they do it too often. Mediocre minds. A universe is better set up by Tolkien or Roddenberry. You can loose urself in those as supposed to. Marvel is jsut a random set of movies with obvious agendas, slightly entangled in a forced way. x)
she work mainly we get see her ups and downs which made us believe in her. She character anyone can look up as she not "woman" superhero is she a superhero. What her a hero are things anyone can used. sad too the comic does better job on captain marvel yet they take what made her good rip it off. Like that name it was honor her love that was kill the first captain marvel, showing honor a person she deeply care about...
Captains Marvel: Mostly giving of vibes of " Women don't need men" and "I'm this all powerful, unrelatable heroine of this movie". Wonder Woman : Vibes of " Women need men. Men need women. They are counterparts ".
@tyler norton lmao it feels sad tbh considering people will accept mediocrity and the marketing lie they all played you with. How does it feel though after earning a billion dollars(mainly because of endgame) and yet still be trash. Get a better taste in your already wonderful life.
tyler norton Like I said, it wasn’t because it was a good movie, it was because it was in-front of endgame, not to mention there is a lot of evidence that disney paid for their own movie tickets, so this movie didn’t earn it, it was given this award by Hollywood, if it was under normal circumstances it wouldn’t have been as successful and even now it is already forgotten by everyone. Like Ms Monopoly, it has rules that give women unfair advantages because they can’t hack it in the real work.
So when Thor was added to the MCU he was depowered to make his character more appealing and realistic, then Captain Marvel comes along and they do the opposite. That whole strongest avenger marketing campaign just pissed the heck out of me. I didn't watch the movie until November and I still hated it.
Yeah ikr!! It would have been cool if she WAS emotional throughout the movie (yknow, like a human) bc that would have shown that she doesnt have to keep her emotions in control all the time
@@prehistoriccreator9600 that's not what he/she meant what he/she supposed to mean other motions like sadness happiness even disgust that's what he/she meant not like a douchebag
I enjoyed both movies but when you said "one was more memorable" It struck me like lightning: I remember every scene and every second of WW but CM.. I only remember thinking "wow Nick doesn't have an eyepatch" in the beginning
The worst part was the flashbacks to her “adversity”. It was her dad telling not to race after she had crashed and one jerk hitting on her in a bar. Also her brother pushed her down on the beach once as a kid, I guess. That’s pathetic. They skate over the very real struggles a woman faces because the script refuses to allow her to have a single moment of vulnerability and genuine human emotion out of fear that she’d stop being sufficiently “strong”.
Geostomp that actually makes a lot of sense! I didn’t dislike the flashbacks part, but I understand your point, and I agree that her “overempowering” made her unrelatable during pretty much the whole movie
@midgetydeath So basically WW is saying "Ladies, you bring sexism on yourselves by not trying harder" and CM says "No, sexism is just plain wrong no matter what."
In wonder woman men weren't dumbed down just to empower Diana, they were shown to be perfectly capable of doing hard things, plan and execute and Diana still was standing out among them, meanwhile CPT marvel had to dumb down men and show them as douchebags just to show off carol
The scene where Wonder Woman steps into No Man's Land and everyone is surprised was epic. The scene where Captain Marvel punches her way out of the ship was *yawn*
During the No Man's Land scene, Steve says no MAN can cross it. He emphasizes the word "Man" as if the movie was intentionally setting up the "i am no Man" line. Instead she says "No, but it's what im going to do."Because its not about who she is, its about what she does.
that scene reminded me why I dont like superhero movies :D Its so incredibly stupid it hurts my brain. They made it seem like on western front it was all about courage that soldiers lacked. It was called no mans land because it was slaughter house. Mines and barbed wire. Artillery barrages that lasted days, machine guns everywhere. In real world, both sides needed hundreds of soldiers to capture few dozen meters of trenches. But no, here comes a superhero with small shield that deflects bullets from all sides and crosses. Its an insult.
@@Kubqo95 Not to be rude but maybe you didnt grasp the concept of the movie well with that headache. She didnt even cross no man's land, in fact, she couldn't even have crossed it by herself as she was pinned down by the machine gun and would have been killed by the artillery. She provided the small opening of drawing all the fire with her incredible reflexes and Amazonian armor so that the Germans could be flanked. Its a superhero movie so if you cant suspend disbelief for the duration of the movie then superhero movies definitely arent your thing.
@@linkheroofhyrule9364 I just watched that scene again. She was running whole time, stopped for a while and ran again. Noone was stopping her. Also even if those few soldiers ran out of trenches, this is western front. Soldiers needed few days of prior artillery barrages to even try to attack the trenches. Trenches on western front were so thick and well prepared that it was impossible to do this. If it was like 1914 okay it sometimes happened that garrison was caught offguard and overran but this is fking 1917 or 1918, front on the west didnt move for past 3 years, deffenses that both sides had at this point were just insane. To me it just looks like insulting attempt to look heroic and cool. It seems like all that these soldiers needed was little bit of courage to charge enemies. Im sorry but its just stupid.
@@Kubqo95 Bruh, I've seen plane movies that deal with terrorist attacks that show a Boeing 747 is the plane yet the interior is an Airbus A340. Ive seen movies that feature armed security guards in places that wouldnt normally have contracted armed security. Ive seen actors load and clean handguns incorrectly because the wrong type of gun is not portrayed. These are also movies that dont feature superheroes. So if you cant suspend disbelief knowing that every movie Hollywood makes has to have some kind of disbelief even if its nonfiction because the audience wouldnt know the difference, then you are one ignorant fool to think otherwise. Hollywood doesnt bother with credibility and if you look towards movies for credibility, then you are worse than an ignorant fool.
In a time where testosterone-filled male characters were the norm, ellen Ripley was a friggin badass on her own. She didn't need any social pandering to stand on her own and save the day, she was relatable even to men ("I made a promise" / "I've seen this shit allready") and that's why i really hold her high. And i am a toxic white male, so fruck me, right?
@@TheMygoran As far as I can tell, the issue isn't with strong female characters, it is when stories are written with blatant efforts to push an agenda. And it seems not enough to put women out front, there have to be movies/shows that prove to be better with women in place of men. See the new "Batwoman" series. "It will be... when it's fits a woman." Are you serious?
They could make a sequel about her quick to battle mentality actually doing more damage than good. Could even have her attack a group of people who are actually doing good because she was told they were the bad guys or something like that; so she has to think before she judges, otherwise she could get someone killed with her power. This could be a very powerful message when you think about how people with influence can often times do something to damage people, like how psychics have caused the death of people with their “mystic power” being an alternative to actual medical help.
@@LegendaryLife No, it's intentional, it's jabbing at Marvel's forgettable villains, similarly how he calls Jude Law's character just jude law, and not Yon-Rogg.
@@LegendaryLife It's the same reason he spliced in clips of Incubus whenever he talked about Steppenwolf - he was implying that all of these characters are interchangeable, disposable, forgettable villains.
My issue is that Jude Law's character is that he isn't a villain. What does he tell her? "Use your head", "Don't rely on you powers as a crutch", "Beat me without using your powers", none of these are villainous things... they are actually really good advice...
He didn't want her to discover her full powers. Carol was also human, not Kree. Jude Law would always have an advantage, if she kept her powers in check.
@@neetaagarwal5255 no it wasn't the interviewer, it was Hemsworth he tried teasing her jokingly by comparing with Tom cruise when she said I did all my stunts. To which she condescendingly replied she will be the next herself, thank you VERY much!
Up to now, I've thought that Brie Larson was getting a bit of a bum rap in terms of her off-screen "antics". But this annoyed me: Chris Hemsworth: "*unintelligible* Tom Cruise at the end." (with regards to her doing her own stunts like Tom Cruise) Brie Larson: "No, I'm a be the first 'me', not the next Tom Cruise, thank you VERY much." Note Chris and Don Cheadle's facial expressions afterwards in reaction to what she says. Chris paid her a complement, comparing her to Tom Cruise who not only does his own stunts, but has done stunts MUCH better than anything Brie Larson has done. She chose to snidely treat his complement as an insult. That was being mean to Chris (trying to turn him into the bad guy when he was being nice) and disrespectful of what Tom Cruise has accomplished in terms of stunts.
I wouldn't take being compared to Tom Bloody Cruise as a compliment. But you kind of miss the bigger point that these promotion "interviews" aren't serious and basically just friendly banter.
@@Carabas72 Seriously? The man is a legend. Sure, hes mind controlled by a cult, but he seems like a genuinely decent person, has an incredible work ethic, and makes fun movies. Plus hes a god of stunt work. Also: You should rewatch the interview. Theres genuine animosity between Larson, Hemsworth and Cheadle. They actively do NOT like her.
@@MichaelNNY I have watched the interview. It's not tongue in cheek, it's tongue poking through gory hole in cheeck. All involved are having a laugh. And some dumbass fanatics insist on taking it all deadly serious.
@@Carabas72 well it depends on how you read people. The banter that's usually between the marvel cast is not the same as the interview with Chris, brie, and Don. I'm not saying they hate her, but it definitely seems like some of the things she says doesn't click with them
I only watched Captain Marvel because it was marketed as an important puzzle piece to understanding End Game and how they would defeat Thanos. I assumed she was the one possibility Doctor Strange saw... But she was barely in that movie 🙄.
But in her screen time, she saved Tony and Nebula, helped them kill current Thanos, and destroyed past Thanos' ship which would have destroyed ALL of the Avengers. You don't need to be in every scene to be important and effective.
@@kristie9144 Read in the subtitles: She should be barely there so she can't ruin the movie, so let's give her some background tasks and maybe 30 seconds of limelight.
@@kristie9144 But here is the thing, what she does could do it whatever other character, i think just make do that because she "NEEDS" to be in the movie, whit and whiteout her the movie could work.
Gugulethu Mbatha ya which helped me out because i skipped that and when i watched end game I was not lost where as in infinity war i was lost because i didn’t watch guardians of the galaxy yet
Wonder Woman- A Character that understands that she's human like everyone else, and makes mistakes. Captain Marvel- Me am bestest woman out there. Me am best Marvel hero.
And yet, the dislikes of this video are SJW MCU haters who just love to defend CEU films of the mid-2010s (Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad) like they’re misunderstood masterpieces. >:(
@@kake2978 Because they’re part of the “Filmento is a misogynistic, hypocritical white man for ever thinking Alita Battle Angel is more empowering than Charlie’s Angels 2019, Men in Black International and Bayformers 2 & 5” bandwagon.
You could have another character to do that, a well established one at that too. That way, the rescue could hold more emotionality rather than some asspull to make Space Karen looks like Space Jesus.
Yondu friends could do that, they could be searching for the Guardinas post snap and detected a distress beacon ou something like that. Is much more plausible than Captain Marvel flying by beyond speed of light and eyeballing a spaceship in the middle of nowhere in the vastness of space.
"DC did it better" has been the default sentence on all platforms except on live action movies where they just catastrophically fail but their newer movies are getting better.
Yep, even in comics she's a douche bag cause she's one of the strongest avengers and will not take a no for an answer (she beat Tony into coma and didn't even felt any remorse). Also they didn't gave props to the original Captain Marvel, like the progenitor didn't even exist in the first place. I mean their Heroes have almost the same beginning stories (Thor, Hulk, Ironman, etc.), but not her.
@@kurtjustiniani1354 that could be an interesting character trait if it was used in a better way, because she's the total opposite of a lot of the avengers. She kills her enemies without remorse ( Tony Stank ) she is powerful but not humble ( Thor ) she doesn't worry about the consequences of using her powers for no reason ( The Hulk ) she was always powerful and she was never a good person ( Captain America ) I'm surprised she didn't alienate the entire Marvel Universe yet
Wonder Woman was so much better. The second movie wasn’t bad either. Diana gets further character development. She lets go of Steve for good, giving up what she wants most for the good of others and to save the world. She feels empathy toward her friend turned enemy and still refused to kill her in the end but does incapacitate her, and she is able to convince the world to let go of their selfish desires in order to save the world. She didn’t kill anyone as she always values human life, even if they’re ‘evil’ and tries to talk them down first before fighting. She’s flawed, she needs her team and her friends to help her. She has limitations. She’s at a level we ordinarily people can relate to. She fails at times. She’s not perfect. She’s not indestructible. She has weaknesses. We watch her grow as a person and develop. The actress is pretty cool too. 🙂
Wonder Woman 1984 was a disaster! Everyone here is complaining about Carol Danvers being overpowered, but Wonder Woman picked up way more powers in the sequel, like flying, and making anything invisible. Wonder Woman's power level is really inconsistent, and varies between being an almost peer match for Superman, to struggling to take on a group of human attackers. Also, what is Wonder Woman's "Kryptonite"? She just always seems to be barely stronger than whoever she's fighting, no matter their powers.
@@PlugInRides Steve is her kryptonite. And she can’t fly, she can only harness lightning. No lightning, no ‘flying’. The writers had to figure out how to figure the old time famous invisible jet into her story arch so they came up with the ancient spell idea. Carol Danvers is another Mary Sue like the new Star Wars character Rey. People don’t tend to like those types of stories. They can’t identify with them. I certainly don’t. Rey’s character doesn’t fail. She unexplainably can fight and win a battle with a lightsaber on her very first time ever holding one against a trained Sith apprentice. Like.....What? Many fans reject the three new Star Wars movies for this and many other reasons. Luke Skywalker was so much more relatable and likable as a character.
@@rachelhoyle5728 If you rewatch the very end of Wonder Woman 1984, just after the Christmas scene, where she runs into the guy that provided Steve's body, and before the credits, Diana is full out flying in a clear blue sky (no lasso or lightning needed). As for whether Carol Danvers is a Mary Sue, the movie clearly establishes Danvers as a bad ass pilot, who becomes superpowered by the Tesseract. She doesn't realize her true powers, because the Kree suppress them. She nonetheless goes through years of intensive Kree warrior training, earning her position on the elite Star Force strike team. Captain Marvel is about Carol discovering her true history, her humanity, and finally being allowed to tap into her full power. We also see her struggle in the beginning, and get captured by the Skrulls. I could just as easily argue that Wonder Woman is more of a Mary Sue. She also doesn't realize the true extent of her innate powers, because the people around her kept her origin hidden from her. Diana easily wins almost every fight, and quickly adapts to the "modern" world of 1917. Somehow, despite living on a secluded island, Diana is able to speak every language, including the ones of Native Americans. Mary Sue, indeed!
the second movie wasn't really bad at character development and plot. I actually liked it. but the reason why it was boring and bad was the lack of action and some of the scenes just made no sense at all. especially the plane scene because it would run out of fuel while flying, why is it even able to fly when it was in the museum, how did Steve even knew how to fly it.
The fact that Wonder Woman wasnt so overpowering. She actually struggled. I felt like the Captain Marvel Movie was just pointless if she destroyed her enemies with one blow
Even Saitama from One punch man have a better story arc them Captain Marvel The fact that he can kill people with 1 punch but people downgrade him te be a noob in rank as beaing a cheaster proof they dont respect him got or get earned wat he should have. the moment when he tells his story how strong he become still they think he lie and is a fake story to hide his own. But his story is will good explanned
and that's a clear symptom of a terribly written character, aka mary sue or gary stu they have everything handed to them, face very little struggle or their journey presents barely any obstacles
When I watched Captain Marvel with my parents, the only scene I found interesting in the movie was all the scenes where the cat was in. My mom said the movie was kinda boring and just wasn't interesting. While my dad just sleeps throughout the whole movie. When we watched Wonder Woman back in 2017, my mom and dad seemed really interested, including me. My dad even ate all the pop corn, well atleast that's what I remembered he did. Yesterday, because we were in quarantine, I searched up something to watch on Netflix. I saw the Wonder Woman movie, so I decided to watch it again, and to no surprise my mom and dad went to watch it with me. Now to be honest I don't like rewatching movies neither do my parents, but for Wonder Woman, I can watch over and over again.
Play pokemon. Fight Champion with Mewtwo and Ho-oh. Win easily. Bored now. Play pokemon. Fight Champion with com-mons I picked up during journey. Final pokemon (Sandslash) wins with a rock slide. "Ha! In your face you fucking prick! You ain't got shit Lance!"
Wonder Woman: Badass Well liked A great example of a good character Is a demi god but still has weaknesses Not a Mary Sue Works together with her team Has flaws and a good arc
Captain Marvel: Has the personality of cardboard Overly confident No character arc Literal God with no weaknesses Tries to do all the work on her own, like that kid in your group project Not a good example of a good character.
@@e.mcipher1427 Not to mention just arrogant and unlikable Wonder woman is how you get people to accept and like a female superhero Captain is how Not to do that and make things just look forced. No one has ever been able to make an OP superhero even the slightest bit likable Except for One Punchman
I recall the WW2 film doing bad. A Gal Gadot is retiring from playing wonderwoman. Gal's acting isn't great at all. You what makes acting incredible is that it can be whatever you want to be, like no one on earth really has the same personality. Some people don't share much emotions in troublesome scenarios. Everyone liked Gal because she was attractive and nostalgia (since there was no ww movie) so when one finally aired everyone including Lydna Carter fans showed up. Shit LC still looks like ww without trying.
Imagine if instead of ironman being captured he started off with the iron man suit, wasn't funny, and just got more powerful as the movie went on, but the villains were kept at the same caliber. That'd be this movie. She starts off as a powerful asshole, becomes a more powerful asshole, and then finishes on an anticlimax.
I think another issue Captain Marvel is that her personality or worldview doesn’t really change in her story. Her personality is that she’s sarcastic, scrappy, and emotionally guarded. She is like that at the start of the movie and like that at the end. Despite the fact that she is told to restrain herself emotionally and focus we never really see that factor in. She enjoys fighting, she cares about Yon-Rogg. Her only restraints are circumstantial. Wonder Woman learns and grows from her experience.
Wonder Woman was a story that happened to have a female lead. Captain Marvel was a vanity piece to show a female character that is more powerful than anyone else.
Boom. Everyone kept going on about Captain Marvel and girl power- and completely forgot about movies like Terminator and Alien. You don't need to make the girl all super powerful, unbeatable and the mostest powerfullest person in the universe to make people like the movie.
When I watched the film I felt the writing was disappointingly by-the-numbers at times, and the problems cited in this video, to me, are more likely the result of that than some insidious agenda. Otherwise you're left with people calling the MCU SJW-pandering with just one female-led movie in over twenty, which does not sound right at all.
Daniel Appleton To me letting Wonder Woman off the hook just because she’s already famous still carries sexist undertones. I mostly have problems with a lot of these movies getting criticisms that center around race and gender, especially when movies with white male leads are exempt from such criticisms. I may admittedly be on a slippery slope here, but I don’t like this outrage culture one bit.
@@lfevery14661 there are many movies with all powerful male characters, and one-man army characters. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Stallone got many of those. The Alien and Terminator movies have wonderful female heroes but doesn't mean there can't be variety. There are all sort of male heroes which include the too cool for school, stronger than everyone characters and it's no problem. It's silly to limit female heroes to one character type.
What that guy said in captain marvel, about using your brain not your emotions was absolutely the correct thing to say and the correct theme, not being your inner self. Because your inner self is a demon
What I liked best about Wonder Woman was that I was inspired to be a better human being, to believe that even though people can suck, we can also be brave and virtuous and do incredible things. Captain Marvel was empty in that regard.
@@codec6979 People are not nice and goody goody either. Step out in the real world. Observe. And think. You will feel uncomfortable to know humanity is pretty pathetic. Be honest about human nature. And you would know.
I dont think the problem was with Captain Marvel being overpowered. Wonder Women is also extremely powerful. But *Diana* is a likeable, down-to-earth, flawed human being who grows as the movie continues. WW also did much better at drawing you in emotionally
CaptainCherryz But think about how powerful an infinity stone is. It sorta makes sense. Wanda and Vision are also both miles above the others in terms of sheer power. Honestly, Thor is too. I personally didn’t like the whole “so overpowered I can defeat Thanos by myself” thing she had going on. Defeats the whole point of the Avengers being a *team* who’s individual strengths account for others weaknesses. But that wasn’t the part of the /movie/ I didn’t like. The whole thing just seemed so subpar and the only things I got excited about were 1) baby agent Coulson and 2) the cat
Diana is strong, but she's not invincible. Bullets can harm her. Captain Marvel can shrug off any attack and never at any point struggles against any opponent. She's definitely overpowered. It's not the main problem of the film, but it's a problem nonetheless.
Exactly. the more apt comparison imo would be to Superman. Superman is kind and caring towards everyone, he isn't the all that relatable but he is an inspiration for everyone to strive towards so we can all be kind and caring individuals. Captain Marvel is smug, proud and casual AND overpowered
Wonder Woman was about a character's growth, their struggles, and who they are, and it just so turns out she's a woman and this is important for the story (a story had many positive messages that resonated with young girls). Captain Marvel was so fixated on making her a strong female character, they forgot about making her a character in the first place.
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I love how everyone (including me) refers to the bad guy as "Jude Law" instead of the character's actual name because no one remembers the character's actual name
He had a name?
Because he is not named until more than halfway through the movie.
I've also noticed all of the newly-introduced characters in this movie (except Captain Marvel) are called by their actors names-Ben Mendelsohn,Annette Bening,Lashana Lynch,Jude Law-because the characters are so one-note and generic
Lol
@Jimmy Barker Ares is shit too. But the difference between him and Yon-Rogg is the acting. Ares is poorly acted. Jude Law at least brings some energy to the empty role he plays.
pretty sure his name was The Patriarchy
I like how in Wonder Woman, the writers didn’t dumb down Steve Trevor just to make Diana seem more powerful and perfect
And I like how they actually let Trevor save the day. And save Diana, too.
Yeah but you could take out nick fury and he just does nothing besides show her down. Actually carol would’ve been completed with her mission much faster. She could just head straight to Louisiana and figure out the clue and go to marvells spaceship thing and defeat the kree and get the space stone. And the movie would’ve been over in like 45 minutes because she just flies through everything and blows it up
Fandom_Motions Studios! Well of course she would have been able to do it without Nick Fury. He’s a male, and this is a woke feminist film.
Awesomekat they only kept him and coulson around for fanservice
@@huntsman9316 "Woke Feminist Film"
So is Aliens, which no one complained about. All the men there were made stupid so Ripley would be better.
Black Widow should have gotten a movie first.
Agreed, I can't wait for it.
Also I personally think Scarlet Witch should get her own too
That would've been the most logical choice for Marvel Studios to do. Since Endgame was going to be Black Widow's final appearance (pending possible revival), it would've made more sense telling a story about her life as a Russian spy and how she became the Black Widow we now know and love.
@@snowballthebunny1277 I think MCU should'nt do More Solo Hero Movies its kinda pointless unless its not on earth and is in space like Thor 4 and Maybe even Doc Strange 2
The Hero Roaster has grown so much that there will be no movie with a powerful villain on earth unless all the Ground Lvl Avengers Appear in them
Or it could take place before 2012
Natasha Romanov is in my opinion a very strong female character that doesn't need social pandering to stand for herself.
She even tricked the god of lies into telling her his plans! (Avengers I "So it's the hulk you are after... thanks!")
On top of that, she doesn't even have super-powers and still is good enough to be part of the Avengers where they have a members who really have inhuman abilities.
Let that sink in
Scarlett is commonly reported as the world's highest paid actress and likely preferred a break after/around the shooting of Infinity War and Endgame.
Groot says "i am groot" the entire movie and had more character than cpt. M lol
"We are Groot" was more memorable than anything in CM, tbh
@@RandomL0s3r The We are Groot scene was awesome! It was endearingly corny and much better than anything in Captain Marvel.
@@RandomL0s3r Dude that 1 word change by one of the FIVE main characters in that movie displayed more character development and personality than the entire CM movie that's all about her.
WE ARE GROOT
Too be fair the rat who saved antman and more character than cpt m
There was one scene in Wonder Woman that sold me hook line and sinker.
When the men were talking about how they couldn't get past the machine guns or the snipers, and were limited to the trenches. Hearing this, Wonder Woman leaves the trench and attempts to break through the machine gun nest, only to find that she couldn't. Seeing her plight, the soldiers came in and took out the nest while the enemy was distracted by Diana.
The men couldn't do it by themselves. Wonder Woman couldn't do it by herself. It was only after they put aside their differences, put aside useless sexism and went to arms that they were able to accomplish their goals *by working together*.
Brilliantly written and gorgeously shot,
proud to see DC finally starting to get their stuff together
That Guy so you’re going to be “that guy” huh?
truth
I love that scene..it could have been a cheap move but it wasn't
This 100%. Wonder Woman was powerful and could open up opportunities for her team to help her with. But she still had limitations. Certain things still needed a team backing her up. She felt powerful, without feeling invincible.
It's almost like one of humanity's strengths is working together.
Simple way to make a captain marvel sequel. Give her a problem she can't solve by force.
Annihilus would be a good villain
Sequel idea, Straight from the older X-Men comics: Rouge steals Captain Marvels powers by accident and has to take on Carol's duties
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Rouge is such a fun and interesting character. It's a shame the X-Men movies butchered her.
Or she could become a Villain
Give her a dc villain. She will die for sure.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Nah she would be too powerful, she took down Thanos's entire ship in a matter of minutes with one well planned slice, do you really think the avengers could handle that 😂
Let's be real. I saw Wonder Woman because it was Wonder Woman. I saw Captain Marvel because that was the last movie before Endgame.
Well thats how they advertised it. "If you dont see this movie, you wont understand endgame". Brilliant scam because marvel knew it was a b or c grade movie
I saw Captain Marvel to see how bad it was. It did not disappoint on that front. 😂
@@ShaneRounce I watched it because my friends wanted to go see it and they paid for my ticket. Alita: Battle Angel was better
That was most likely the reason why it was successful in the money department for Captain Marvel.
But yeah, it came out a month or 2 before Endgame.
Eye of Truth Alita was an awesome movie apart from the boyfriend chode dude.
Isn't it ironic how they gave Captain Marvel NO weaknesses but still Natasha Romanoff, a woman with no supernatural abilities, can beat her down ten times harder in terms of personality and intrigue?
maybe 2 times harder, not 10, and cause captain marvel is really bad, but they crapped on romanov’s character too. they started her as a caricature made for males, waited years before giving her decent development, and even that, was made in 2 scenes. and then they aborted it poorly. we praise natasha bcause she’s the less worse treated, but she deserved so much better
@@crimberlies not to mention task master he was the worst treated marvel character ever, that's probably because of how good he was but the mcu version just sucks. Hope they dont make doom into a gay black women when he gets added
lmao natasha is a bad character in black widow movie
@@josendrado I haven't watched it yet but guess Marvel's fucked her up too
and a better and remember able movie
just remember when Chris Hemsworth mentioned how his daughter loved Wonder Woman, oh and he said that in a interview while sitting alongside with the actress of Capt Marvel
To be fair, there was no CM at the time for his kid to love.
and guess who got out of the thor mantle and replaced by a another cardboard later on...
@@KNJfan well to be fair, MCU is now on its way making one of the biggest "WOKE" franchise
@@codec6979There still isn't one to be completely fair
oh wow he has a daughter with free will!! what a burn!!
The only thing I remebered from Captain Mravel was, how Samuel L. Jackson got blind. That's it.
Good kitty xD
Yup I think I saw Captain Marvel but not really sure
I watched the movie for the main reason that Samuel was in that movie as nick fury
no cap me too
oof u remembered that. i legit fell asleep and woke up in the credits
To sum it up..
Capt Marvel: I can do it myself.
Wonder Woman: We can do this, together!
Well, if you watch the actual movies, they're both "We can do this, together!".
@@Carabas72 nope it's not if you watch the FULL MOVIE.
@@Carabas72 The difference is, one movie sticks to that ideology while the other says that ideology for the sake saying it.
Both are True and Valid.
Maybe Its because she was trained like that by the people of hala
Wonder Woman had her own, stand-alone story that was motivating and emotionally charged. It showed her working to get where she was. Captain Marvel was just used as an Endgame plot device.
And even then you could take her out of both movies and the ridiculous "girl power" moment from endgame and nothing would change
The war scene where Steve says this is no man's land no man can cross it. If was a marvel movie they would've had the female say line well I'm no man. In wonder woman she just did it.
Mallory Lauve haha amazing bro
Agreed! I mean, when Marvel is doing feminism it's super cringe! Just like CM and Avengers Endgame where every female superheroes group up kinda ruined the whole battle for me.
@@KenKaneki-st6td Exactly. In Infinity War, it felt powerful when they all went to save Wanda but after, in Endgame, when they all circled around Peter; it felt forced and unnatural, like Marvel and the writers were basically just, "Hey, look at us! Powerful women! Feminism, yay!"
Exactly. I'm all for women getting more recognition with superhero roles in movies. However, Marvel has done a pretty poor job of doing this. It always comes off as forced. That "women power" scene in the Endgame finale fight really took me out of the film because it was sooooo horribly staged.
@@ComedyBros5 like if came together little more organically that have all posing
CPT Marvel: perceives to hate everybody. Has the biggest ego that she is somehow a god with unlimited power
Wonder Woman: Realizes she isn't powerful enough at times and requires help.
That's how character development works
I wanna like your comment but its at 69
script was bad that it
honestly, i dont even have a problem with her being arrogant, know-it-all and having a god-complex, because that can be an interesting personality too.
But if you make her arrogant, give her moments in the movie where it backfires on her, where she is humbled, where her ego gets her and her friends in danger and where the audience realizes that she doesnt always know what to do. And most of all, show her growing more and more modest from her experiences.
Thats how you make a relatable characters: someone with potential to growth
@@TheProtagonist37 So, basically, Tony Stark?
The only thing I remembered about Captain Marvel after I left the theatre was the cat. The only interesting character in that entire movie to me was the cat.
segoi11 oh I loved that cat; a hero to all super cats to come
You mean, the Flerken.
I like the movie just because of Nick Fury and the Flerken.
Nick fury was the best character
I love goose cause he can eat all of the bad guys and he’s a cat
the cat was the only reason why i watched the movie
Wanda Maximoff will always be a better character of female representation than that of Captain Marvel because Wanda is 3 dimensional and has had clear struggles, triumphs and her motivations for what she does makes sense. Wanda is arguably one of the most powerful characters in the entire MCU without being pretentious and since she is more fleshed out as a character you're genuinely curious how her story is going to unfold especially now that they're setting her up as a loose cannon not really swaying for good or for evil right now.
I love Wanda!
Also Elizabeth Olsen is a queen, and Brie Larson is a cringy, insufferable brat.
There's also someone from the Avengers who has been with them very early on, one of the OG 6 even.
Black Widow.
Even not counting Wanda who is super awesome by herself, did everyone forget Nat?
Like damn lol.
Until mom ruined her character
And then they did MOM making her a Mary Sue with BS magical powers
I like what my friend said about Captain Marvel the character: She has all of Tony Stark's douchebagness with none of his caring or depth to counter the douche, and all of (first Thor movie) Thor's blandness with none of his lovability to counter the bland.
I like that analysis too. I'd also add that in Tony Stark's case, his douchebagness is a character trait that the movies punish him for. It's displayed as a weakness by the script and the overall narrative. However, when Captain Marvel is an arrogant asshole and acts smug for literally the entire movie, it's portrayed as a strength. She's rewarded for it, and that sends the message to the audience that it's totally ok that she acts that way. That's what upsets me about that movie more than anything.
I really hope that after she got wrecked by Thanos in Endgame, they'll humble her character a bit.
That's how I felt the entire movie. That she had all this "confidence" and "strength" portrayed as being judgemental and mean. But I expected that Nick Fury or someone would be like "Hey, you're not cool being mean. Stop it." And she would chill out or something, but that only kinda happened and I'm hoping that future movies will do this. Thank goodness Rocket jokes about her hair in Endgame.
It felt like she was trying to come across as arrogant, but it just came across as wooden, and allowed no connection to the man in character (audience seem to connect a lot more with Furey a lot more than Marvel)
Interesting, Tony STARTS as a douchebag, but he learns and grows, almost as if he had character development or something
Agreed. She didn't have an " I like this; MORE!" moment.
The innocence of Wonder Woman which was endearing at the start turns out to be a flaw at the end that's why we sympathise with her no matter how cheesy it is. We've all had moments where we feel people are good and then we realise they're not even though it's so obvious.
Exactly. I was so intrigued by her because it was exactly how I felt when I started growing up, having problems, and such. And when it's finished with a great ending, I feel satisfied
Not just that, but smo with a humble good heart as Dianas, lost the man she loved twice 🥺.
While Carol ...... 0 fucks given for her.....in the words of Ivar the Boneless "I wouldnt piss down her throat even if her lungs were on fire".
One of the best scenes in What if was when Ultron obliterated her ass. She makes me cheer for Ultron. Thats not what a role model should be. And if you dont connect with a fictional character, to at least sympathise with them, then the more they try to shove her down my throat, the more I hate her.
Even if Captain Marvel was replaced by a male actor, no one wants to see someone that is all powerful and wins every time, unless it adds its own unique twist, like the anime One Punch Man.
Saitama is humble. He doesn't have an ego like the other S class heroes, nor does he brag about his achievements.
Similarly superman is also extremely humble.
All powerful characters are redeemable if
1. They're humble
2. They've earned their arrogance
Carol Danvers is neither.
@@ayush885 In fact, Saitama is a Parody Sue, a perfect character purposely overpowered and perfect for satyrical purposes.
He is what happens when someone actually is perfect: Saitama is perpetually demotivated and bored.
@@ayush885 Saitama isn't SUPER humble, and, like Carol, doesn't express much emotion, but
Unlike Carol he's still very much human, basically he's OP, but not flawless. He worries about sales, he causes collateral damage and people get angry at him, he feels the need for adrenaline (Remember the dream Subterranean fight) and it's pretty known that he isn't the best at martial discipline, as seen in that one OVA, with that Rock Paper Scissors with Silver Fang
But OPM also got an advantage of being a series, not a movie
Couldn't absolutely disagree more. Over powered special effects are just getting better and better. You have no imagination at all. So linear and limited...the more overpowered the better. In fact the race to show better and better special effects could be amazing- I love watching superman, and captain marvel being overpowered.
@@robotaholic same, i enjoy watching characters that are so overpowered and have absolutely no flaws that basically have no potential for any character growth and development, which makes it harder for the audience to relate and grow attach to. But hey, at least they have cool effects, right????
Captain Marvel being unrelatable could be solved easily by 1 single scene.
In the final battle, Nick Fury trusted Carol to lead the team to fight against the Krees. However, Carol became too overconfident about her newfound powers to the point that she became reckless. She kept shooting photons at her enemies until one of her attack blasted the wall or a piece of shrapnel into Fury's eye, blinding him. Now, it's totally believable when Fury said "Last time I trusted someone, I've lost an eye." to Steve, because he trusted Carol too much but she betrayed his trust by not caring about his safety. Carol will also learn from this situation that she should use her power carefully the next time. Fury being mad at Carol also explained why he didn't call her when Loki and Ultron tried to destroy the world because he didn't really trust her until Thanos happened which he had to call her as the last resort.
Yepppp 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🎥
Fury was blinded by the cat scratching his eye not whatever bs you just came up with.
@@mandy_mars and that ruined his whole sinister quote in the Winter Soldier. My suggestion is bs but still less bs than what we got.
@@mandy_mars they are saying what would make the line Nick Fury said work better. There are a lot of things that need to be changed to make the movie work better. Ijs 👍🏽💯
@@nont18411 Your suggestion is not bs, it is an actual improvement. You turned Carol into a relatable and fallible superhero and kept Nick Fury's dignity intact. Captain Marvel would have been a decent movie instead of a throwaway flick sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame.
I think why I didn’t like Captain marvel was she was too perfect, she didn’t have any weakness, nothing could stop her. And to me that took away potential growth for her character.
Yeah. Mary Sues are a problem.
absolutely. that and shes just, kinda a bad character in general. in the MCU anyway. shes also inconsistent as shit
I think her character would have been grounded had someone, she loved the most, died because of her unstoppable strength. Not only that, but finding planets that have been destroyed due to her inability to be everywhere would have worked as well.
right on the dot! Still pisses me off that they didn't start off with Black Widow.
Well that's exactly what people expected for Superman at Man of Steel, a perfect superhero who saves everyone without even breaking a sweat. I'M SOOOO GLAD Zack Snyder did it differently otherwise we would've had the same thing that happened to Captain Marvel.
Black widow: is there from iron man 2. Great chracters. Is friend with other avengers. Appears in many crossover movies. Fans loved her.
Marvel: yeah let's have our first female lead movie this unlikeable character.
This will never stop triggering me, especially now that theyre doing the BW movie anyway...? What in the fuck, why wasnt this made 6-7 years ago
It's almost as if marvel wanted to prove through this movie that solo female lead characters dont work.. 😂😂 And as someone who's watched it, I guess they were right? 😂
Christyandi K or at least choose a different person for the role, because Brie is the embodiment of a feminazi and write the script better. I always wondered why she had little to no role in Endgame, but now I see it. Apart from being a strong heroine feminist, she doesn’t have any character or personality. She just... kinda there so that feminazis like Brie don’t get mad at Marvel. Also, if not Black Widow, why not Scarlet Witch? She’s a great character and is OP done right!
And make it to the billion dollar club! 🤯 It was a power move!
@@katguingona425 Yeah pretty sure that's not how it works. It doesn't matter what gender the character is. WW worked fine and that was a female lead movie.
I like how the Demi god acts like a human and the human acts like a god that’s why I like wonder woman
it's like batman and superman
Carol Danvers is half alien-supreme accuser-
@CynicalPiscean people don’t like the character because it’s bland and shallow. People don’t like the person because she’s bland and shalloe
Let's be real. I saw Wonder Woman because it was Wonder Woman. I saw Captain Marvel because that was the last movie before Endgame.
@CynicalPiscean I think the difference is in charisma and having an actual story behind said character. To be fair, despite being arrogant af, Tony Stark is super charming.
Doesn't matter how powerful you are, you can't protect everything. All good anime or super hero movie have that in common.
Yeah cartoons are great.
@@jessiemoore3094 ............
Wonder woman: Is that player who can solo the whole game but decides to push her team to win it with her.
Capt. Marvel: Is the player who just solos the whole game.
thejax 034 maybe because her team was actually her enemy the entire time?????
I like this analogy, it really speaks to the difference of carrying a team and rallying a team. Wonder Woman spent her time convincing others to fight with her instead of going at it alone and thus created this team atmosphere where you feel like you can get anything done, Captain Marvel is the solo team carrier who blames the rest of the team for their failure because they can’t keep up.
now that you mention it Cap Marvel does feel like that Diamond 5 douche talking shit the whole game because he matched with a bunch of golds on the other team
History Is my life are you dumb??
She also team kills lol
Wonder Woman was a character
Cpt Marvel was a weapon
This comment deserves more recognition
Capt marvel is a tampon.
@@number1enemyoftheuseless985 full of female rage
Weapon here meaning plot device? I didn't mind the film but on rewatch and rethink she has very little, if any, character development
As good a weapon as my fart... with as much hot air and attitude to match
Captain Marvel was a filler for Endgame.
Wonder Woman was a passion project by Patty Jenkins.
It was only hyped as such. If you've seen EG, you know she could be taken out of it completely.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I can never feel her compassion for others when I see Danvers. Feels like she just does these acts of heroism because she has to but never really wants to.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom You forget that part where she _spoiler alert if you havent seen Endgame_
singlehandedly destroys Thanos' ship. IDK if any of the other heroes could've done it, but the fact that she just swoops in outta nowhere and pretty much takes out 1/2 of Thanos' power (he only had the army and the ship aka artillery at that point) just screams overpowered. So no, she can't be completely removed from the movie, as she is so stupidly powerful that the rest of the Avengers look weak in comparison. Oh and they also needed her in the movie for that super important scene where all the female Avengers teleport to the same spot to team up in the middle of the battle because.... female empowerment? I guess the directors pulled a Dany and kInD oF fOrGoT about the part where Scarlet Witch (a woman) overpowers Thanos to the point that he is forced to call in backup - something which Iron Man, Captain America, and Mjølnir-and-Stormbreaker-wielding THOR (the most powerful Avenger) was unable to achieve with their combined strength.
@@danny833 You should really cut down on the drugs dude.
Couldve been Adam Warlock who actually has a connection with the Infinity Stones
Captain Marvel does the opposite of what a female-led movie should do. In order to make Carol Denvers seem “powerful”, they just make her more masculine which defeats the purpose of female empowerment. At least for Wonder Woman they made Diana strong while still being a woman who expresses emotion and passion. Captain Marvel had the charisma of a cardboard box.
and one more thing, in Wonder Woman, they didn't degrade the Men.
I will never understand this. Why do female writers/directors think making a woman have more "masculine" treats makes her more "empowered"? Isn't that like saying, "Men are powerful, women should be more like men"? Does that not defeat the purpose of powerful women?!?!
I think the inclusion of tomboyish women is great, as a tomboy myself. Female empowerment comes in all shapes and sizes. The wider range of female personalities represented the better, from full-on capable feminine roses to capable hard-ass warriorettes. I think Cpt Marvel was severely miscast, as Miss Larsen is so damn unlikeable in this film. The unbridled arrogance, bordering on haughtiness. Love a sassy character (Iron Man being a fave), but goddamn it needs to be paired with heart and wit. The lack of weaknesses just makes her completely unrelatable. Relatability (ironically, in a SUPERHERO movie) is paramount.
@@kardnails8729 actually, you DO understand this perfectly. Everything about feminism asserts that men are superior to women in every respect and that becoming empowered means becoming more like men. Female pronouns such as "actress", etc are being rejected in favour of male ones. The invention of the universal salutation "Ms" to replace traditionally feminine salutations "Miss" and "Mrs" in order to mimic the male "Mr." The degradation of feminine roles in family and relationships. The whole feminist platform is "manliness = strong, good, etc and femininity = bad, weak, etc."
masculine woman are valid, powerful and exist bro.
"First female hero movie"
*Catwoman and Electra: Are we a joke to you?*
*Everyone: Yes, yes you are.*
@@nekiyia
The joke, the point and life went over your confused head...
@@nekiyia
Just the number of likes shows how wrong you are. You should seek help.
@@nekiyia If you have to be told "where you were supposed to laugh" then you already didn't get it to begin with.
To be fair, neither's really a hero per say.
@@AkiRa22084 Is High Profile Hermit actually Brie Larson?
Wonder Woman: Ends with the hero fighting an overpowered CGI monstrosity.
Captain Marvel: Ends with the hero _becoming_ the overpowered CGI monstrosity.
lol
100% agreed.
Pretty accurate description.
If not for the overpowered CGI monstrosity, _Wonder Woman_ could have been stellar instead of just mostly great
@@StormyKopaAMVs bingo. An epic defeat super Nazi soldiers battle would have been perfect. And then hint at Aries as a teaser. Like Bond chasing Spectre, keep it just out of reach for a while.
My favorite moment in Wonder Woman was when she was so happily fascinated by a baby, and it didnt come across at all like 'silly woman has maternal instincts that can't be repressed' and more that Diana is curious and enthusiastic about everything and everyone
Yeah, Diana's pure love of babies and ice cream, as well as her charming and almost childish optimism and surprise at everything new she discovers, make her such a sweet, relatable and memorable character. I feel the movie managed to show us very well the same traits in the Wonder Woman character that made fans love Lynda Carter's TV show back in the 70s.
@@pyshyn I like how this was carried over to Shazam a bit with the little girl. She is just that; a cheery little girl, perhaps like the ones that are in many of our lives, and when she was transformed by the staff, she was just so endearing.
But even if it was because of maternal instinct that can't be repressed, why would that be a bad thing? Women have often been shamed for being attracted to babies and cute little thing, but remember that babies are a serious matter and maternal instinct is one of the strongest forces of the universe. What a female, woman or animal, can go through just for their babies is incredible. The sacrifices women can do for their children, that feeling of care and that need to protect them, that is powerful. Being a mother is powerful. Wanting to be a mother is a serious matter, and it's a beautiful thing. Women can choose what they want to be, and if some don't have strong maternal instincts, it is absolutely not a bad thing, they can choose to do something else. But most have maternal instincts and a woman who is attracted to motherhood and babies should never be shamed for it, because that woman, if you touch someone she cares for, will absolutely destroy you.
Treka Double oxytocin, look it up. Ignorance doesn’t have to be a permanent condition.
@@trekadouble757 i love this. thank you so much. i have always thought this but didnt have the words. but how you say it is very good :)
Wonder Woman is a team player, she’s friendly, caring, empathetic, and supportive of other people, her relationships and positive interactions with other people was what really made me love her!
Totally agree... I vividly remember her fascination for snowfalls, her dancing with Steve, her hearing a comrade singing on piano, listening to the inner evils of the comrade who failed to gun down the sniper... these little moments reflects her humanity and made her endearing
Marvel would be crazy not to pivot the Captain Marvel Character into the next big villain. People LOVE to hate her.
I'd love to see the avengers vs captain marvel
I already got the chills. Imaginr having adam warlock with avengers & dr. Strange vs Captain Marval
Genius. Simply... *chefs kiss* I’d be so pumped. That’s about the only way I’d get excited for another Captain Marvel movie. Wow. That’s a fantastic idea! I hope they see this comment, lol.
Holy crap! Amazing idea. You should receive a producer credit if it happens.
They already did. She kills Thor in one of the recent comic issues.
The comparison between Larson and Cruise was HYSTERICAL.
IKR, she couldn’t do anything.
Fatality Beam plus cruise is humble Larson comes across as arrogant
@@KieroSi Oh grow up.
She wanted to be herself, not some nutbag scientologist.
@@ShadowSonic2 Oh, trust me... She's not turning out to be better than a nutbag scientologist....
She didnt even do all her own stunts... she had a stunt double and thats just insulting to what her stunt double did
The only memorable part of Captain Marvel was the memorial tribute to Stan Lee at the beginning of the movie
Getting to see Phil Coulson and Nick Fury on screen together was the best. If only they got more screen time.
Not gonna lie I didn't even remember that
RIP Stan "The Man" Lee. He was one of the celebrities I've wanted to meet the most. Him, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, & Robert Downey Jr.
And the cat. Don't forget the cat.
I think the best moment in either movie was when Diana and Chris Pine have that shouting right at the end, and the conflict of the film is out for everyone to see. It’s really powerful
Captain Marvel never made sense to me. I always thought that a Black Widow movie would be the first female lead character movie, for Marvel. Well 🤷🏻♀️. Here we are!
Ever since Carol Danvers was given the Captain Marvel mantle a few years ago Marvel has been pushing her to be the "face" of Marvel....it hasn't worked
and black widow is a way more interesting character anyways
Black Widow is a much more interesting character. In my opinion at least.
Who cares what movie comes first?
@@pee-buddy it would have made a lot more sense, in my opinion, if black widow came first and then after they introduced Captain Marvel, they could have made the movie (people love the element of mystery) that's just my opinion though.
Being a girl myself, the thing that really lacked in Captain Marvel was relatability. Stay with me on this: In Wonder Woman there’s a scene where she charges out of the trench onto enemy lines, that’s a big “empowerment” moment. Diana is very powerful, but the fact that she did something so human makes a person feel like they could do it to. All she used was a shield to protect herself, she ran, not flew, and she made it out to the other side. Sure some of her power was used but it was subtle enough to make it feel human and relatable, like “I could do that too.” There were moments like that throughout the film. In Captain Marvel however, her powers always felt so overpowered to point it felt like “well I could never achieve that, I’m not a super hero, I can’t fly, (etc)” It just felt like an unreachable standard. Don’t get me wrong, there were parts that felt real(and I understand that this is a superhero film, it’s not always meant to be realistic) but, relatability is key when making a film designed to “empower.” That’s just my opinion tho.
EDIT: Wonder Woman flies in the sequel so nvm also I hate both these movies after rewatching
Diana struggled and the movie has an arc. I can relate to the emotion of going crazy if I lost the love of my life... Both men and women get that feeling, because we're human. Diana shows more humanity than the other female character (captain Marvel?). Struggle is a big deal in relating.
That´s actually the biggest problem with mary sues in general. The people who write them try so hard to make them likeable and relatable that finishes being exactly the opposite.
Also, there's a matter of scale. Speaking of that scene with the shield, she is hiding from machine gun, with visible effort of staying alive. On the other hand, captain Karen flies through the fucking space ship without batting an eye. That's a huge difference. As you said, cowering under a gunfire makes the character a lot more human, even though I believe WW would beat the living shit out of Karen.
Completely agreed. Captain marvel tried so hard to empower women with feminism that it forgot that to do that,it needed to get women to relate, and let me tell you. As a woman,not only i couldn't relate,but the fact that the movie constantly reminded me how shes a "strong independent woman" got pretty annoying pretty fast
@@Yourmom-ih7zp I'm playing Darksiders 3 these days, and the main character is BADASS, without whining about "SHE'S A GIRL, LOOK!". Simply, you kill monsters, and that's it. Love it!
Wonder Woman: A total badass.
Captain Marvel: Would like to speak to the manager.
Her name should be captain Karem
@ANDROGAMER you didn't understand the joke
@ANDROGAMER nono it's because the women thar complint to the manager for stupid reasons are normally called Karem, and her superhero name should be Captain Karem
Thank you veeeeeery much!
Truest sentence to ever be written.
Sad thing is, I actually love the "I have nothing to proof to you" line. I can't tell you how often I felt as if I had to proof myself to the men in my life, and I know many women feel the same way. But this line didnt belong into this scene, and it was said by a character that PROOFS HERSELF THE ENTIRE TIME. Being a confident, strong woman doesnt mean knowing everything, it means being confident despite knowing that you will fail from time to time. It means seeking help instead of being too proud to accept it. It means learning from the men in your life, not rushing in and dominating them as if theyre worth nothing. I dont feel empowered by a female character that needs to be better than everyone else in order to be respected.
Ok
Idk why Cap Marvel reminds me of that boss lady who promotes 'girl power' then bullies her female employees whilst you would happily team up with Diana and produce a world winning project
ur so right bruh
because she has the exact look of a Karen? 😂
It's because Captain Marvel isn't a model in a skimpy outfit who talks with an accent.
@Michel-Ange Lafleur "Huh, so that's what it takes to have a character who's decently wtitten and likable?"
If it's a female? Yes. Cause plenty of male leads similar to Captain Marvel get away with everything.
@Michel-Ange Lafleur Guys played by Chuck Norris, Arnold, Stallone, Willis. They get away with everything Carol does.
Captain Marvel earned her powers through being willing to sacrifice herself to honor Mar-Vell's last wish to destroy the engine. By your logic, Bruce Banner, Scott Lang and Spider-Man were handed everything.
She had as much development in her first movie as Steve did in his.
She had little to answer for.
Beats up bad guys...like every superhero.
I’m my opinion black widow would be a better role model for young girls cause she is just a “normal person” not superior to everyone
I would not say she is a "normal person" but she certainly does not have any supernatural abilities - she had to work hard to get where she is....
Yeah movie should've been about her goddamn
@@2323-o8g yo, seriously? nah i dont think so, they're BOTH role models. thank god, we're having movies for the both of them.
Ordinary Someone Φ How are they both good role models? There both unrealistic women are not strong they can’t fight there not that smart and there both where just created to get some money from feminist.
Didn’t Natasha receive an EXTREMELY watered down version of Steve’s super soldier Serum. We see it in the comics, but I think it’s implied in her nightmare of the Red Room during Age of Ultron. She was in a hospital gown, bed, and room.
However, that still doesn’t take away her skills that she WORKED for. The serum only gives her a very slight physical advantage, with a slightly faster healing factor.
The cinematography was also better. Wonder woman is a very beautifully shot movie and gives off very unique and cool vibes while Captain Marvel is on some TV show quality.
That I certainly agree with, but I'd say thats true of ALL DC movies moreso than Marvel. Hell, if you can make Superman look dark, then thats really a look they are obviously going for.
Don't to get color grading in Wonder Woman is far superior. Bright beautiful colors in Amazon island and dimmer colors (but never too ugly) colors in human world. It perfectly showed the contrast between Diana's peaceful homeland and the battle-ravaged world out there. And Diana herself always shines. She's literally the light for humanity. Exceptional use of color.
Captain Marvel always looked gray and ugly.
@@tiaaaron3278 I'd say the opposite on that score, all the way through CM the colours were dull and grey until that little girl and her picked out the red for her costume, the final scenes had her pretty much glowing like an angel, in fact you could write a paper on the angelic propensities of female heroines versus the christlike characters of male superheroes. They are often being resurrected and going through tempations before ultimately making a sacrifice. I don't know if that holds up, it just occured to me but it seems fairly obvious when you think about how MUCH she glowed at the end.
Not that they didn't do that in WW, like I said, I agree about the cinematography. Marvel at first used to try to make the heroes grounded in realism, as if this 'really could have happened'. After Thor they dumped that, for pretty obvious reasons, which is a problem because it makes scenes like where that general guy is trying to arrest captain america when there are alien invasions imminent just look crazy.
But colour contrast is a fairly amateur way of introducing themes. Just because a film 'looks dark' doesn't actually mean much. But visually, yeah, I thought WW had that same dark look, I was just pretty bored through most of it, which wasn't the case with Captain Marvel.
@@mikearchibald744 Captain Marvel was gray and ugly. And unlike in Wonder Woman,that ugly color grading served no purpose. The Earth is gray and dull. Sometimes you couldn't even see what's going on like the battle on Torfa and in Mar-Vell's spaceship.
@@tiaaaron3278 have you not watched most of mcu movies? they're all dull in the color grading department. it has been dull since the 1st ironman. Idk how people had just noticed it now🤔
Hey, Disney should make a " *Captain Marvel vs Rey Skywalker* " film.
SYNOPSIS: "Two perfectly perfect perfectionists perfectly performing perfectionism to perfection."
Captain Marvel (flying): It's over Skywalker, I have the high ground
*In a feminist utopia
@@Triella010 Rey force levitating: You underestimate my power!
Everyone in Captain Marvel: Carol, you're too emotional! You have to control your emotions!
Carol the entire movie: :/
😂
i don’t get why she was cast as Captain Marvel she literally can’t act and has the same acting range as a rock same facial expression in everything she does.
@@karinayleo I mean she can act she just was not great in Captain Marvel. Also she let her being the "most powerful Avenger" get to her head.
@@karinayleo in the same way that Tessa Thompson cant act. Brie is the white Tessa Thompson and Tessa is the black Brie Larsen. Neither of them are able to express any emotion other than bored
@@karinayleo You should watch "Room" when she won Oscar for Best Actress. She's actually good at that.
"I do not care about her antics on social media"
*Immediatly proceeds to destroy her*
I think it's uncontrollable
He just can’t resist
@rek yea, that pretty much killed her credits with all people that respect the old garde, regardless of gender or race.
Unfortunately toxic males exist even in MCU fandom.
@@motodork the mcu is a mediocre universe compared to other good scifi and fantasy universes. Especially when it comes to projecting female power. It's too obvious and not in the least subtile. That's what triggers these toxic guys. Marvel just sucks at bringing statements, but they do it too often. Mediocre minds.
A universe is better set up by Tolkien or Roddenberry. You can loose urself in those as supposed to.
Marvel is jsut a random set of movies with obvious agendas, slightly entangled in a forced way. x)
Wonder Woman made me feel like I could do anything I wanted while being humble and kind. I am a guy. I love her.
Hell yeeaaahh
Diana would be proud of you. If it were Carol instead, she would've felt personally attacked.
Watching WW made me feel like I can be kind and (emotionally) strong and still be classy at the same time.
Kamaboko Gonpachirou OOF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
she work mainly we get see her ups and downs which made us believe in her. She character anyone can look up as she not "woman" superhero is she a superhero. What her a hero are things anyone can used. sad too the comic does better job on captain marvel yet they take what made her good rip it off. Like that name it was honor her love that was kill the first captain marvel, showing honor a person she deeply care about...
The Tom Cruise vs Brie Larson edit had me DYING 💀
Captains Marvel: Mostly giving of vibes of " Women don't need men" and "I'm this all powerful, unrelatable heroine of this movie".
Wonder Woman : Vibes of " Women need men. Men need women. They are counterparts ".
Ryanna Bulatao PERIODTT
Men and women need each other, in society; What a concept in 2020!
You're spot on, mate!
Wowww this is amazing. I wish all the people have the mindset as you.
Heretic!
@@sabs7880 not every male is the same & not every female is the same, neither are completely good but neither are completely bad
Wonder Women was made to be an actual movie
Captain Marvel was made to fill a check box :l
Underrated comment
Yeah a check worth ONE BILLION! money talks!
Thoughts
That’s because it was before endgame, not because it was a good movie
@tyler norton lmao it feels sad tbh considering people will accept mediocrity and the marketing lie they all played you with. How does it feel though after earning a billion dollars(mainly because of endgame) and yet still be trash. Get a better taste in your already wonderful life.
tyler norton
Like I said, it wasn’t because it was a good movie, it was because it was in-front of endgame, not to mention there is a lot of evidence that disney paid for their own movie tickets, so this movie didn’t earn it, it was given this award by Hollywood, if it was under normal circumstances it wouldn’t have been as successful and even now it is already forgotten by everyone. Like Ms Monopoly, it has rules that give women unfair advantages because they can’t hack it in the real work.
So when Thor was added to the MCU he was depowered to make his character more appealing and realistic, then Captain Marvel comes along and they do the opposite.
That whole strongest avenger marketing campaign just pissed the heck out of me.
I didn't watch the movie until November and I still hated it.
I pirated and don't watch it all the way watched then I cringe in motorcycle scene and wish I was in china 1989
I completely agree. That still ticks me off to this day!
hopefully this doesnt happen to my girl Wanda because shes now the strongest avenger
@@khxnt1667 They depowered Wanda a lot too. I hope they keep her where she is now.
@@SpookeyClown Well the nerfed hulk too
That smash cut of Tom Cruise being an absolute Chad and Brie struggling to climb a tree with all possible equipment killed me
Lmao,that Tom Cruise and Brie Larson stunt comparison scene was funny af !
Chris Hemsworth literally says "I do all my stunts" before she does even though they were talking about his stunt doubles just a minute ago. Lol
Especially the music choice
you should see the full version it's damn hilarious
Absolutely gold
she has a body double who did most of her stunts, she's a liar.
“Don’t let your emotions take control”
Captain Marvel spends the entire runtime with the acting range of a piece of wood.
Yeah ikr!! It would have been cool if she WAS emotional throughout the movie (yknow, like a human) bc that would have shown that she doesnt have to keep her emotions in control all the time
What do you mean? she showed emotion! Did you see how angry she was?
@@prehistoriccreator9600 that's not what he/she meant what he/she supposed to mean other motions like sadness happiness even disgust that's what he/she meant not like a douchebag
@@myjustarandomkid913 I know that. I was poking fun that the only emotion she showed was anger
@@myjustarandomkid913 also, you could've just said "they" instead of "he/she"
10:16 "Malekith the Accuser"
Ronan the Accuser: "Am I a Malekith to you?"
Yes I get the joke might be that none of these guys are memorable
Did he confuse the two because "Accursed" and "Accuser" are spelt similarly?
@@Anetron1 I believe it's a joke because both are boring forgettable villains.
See 10:27... the other kree face express all of us XD
@@Anetron1 It's a joke from his older videos.
What? Malekith the Accuser and Ronan the Dark Elf are super memorable!
" Is that a personal attack or something? " got me good ... 😂😂
I have nothing against Brie but that montage of Tom Cruise’s stunts vs her stunts had my dying 😂😂😂
She cnt even do one pull ups!😂😂
Maybe you should express yourself more respectful
@@kysike666 You should be more respectful i think
@@Ryan-pg1tw You're exactly that green "You need to hold your emotions" guy.. Who was it again?
@@Archipelagoes shrek?
I enjoyed both movies but when you said "one was more memorable" It struck me like lightning: I remember every scene and every second of WW but CM.. I only remember thinking "wow Nick doesn't have an eyepatch" in the beginning
wait nick doesn't have an eyepatch in the beggining?
i only remember the cat
I only remember hearing come as you are but not what I saw when watching it
Tora Blaze they probably did see it multiple times
@@unicornburgers302 indeed, i watched ww twice
Wonder Woman was truly empowering, in a way that felt sincere to me as a woman. Captain Marvel was pandering and insulting to me.
KittySnicker why do you think it was insulting? (I’m not disagreeing with you, I also prefer Wonder Woman)
The worst part was the flashbacks to her “adversity”. It was her dad telling not to race after she had crashed and one jerk hitting on her in a bar. Also her brother pushed her down on the beach once as a kid, I guess.
That’s pathetic. They skate over the very real struggles a woman faces because the script refuses to allow her to have a single moment of vulnerability and genuine human emotion out of fear that she’d stop being sufficiently “strong”.
Geostomp that actually makes a lot of sense! I didn’t dislike the flashbacks part, but I understand your point, and I agree that her “overempowering” made her unrelatable during pretty much the whole movie
@midgetydeath So basically WW is saying "Ladies, you bring sexism on yourselves by not trying harder" and CM says "No, sexism is just plain wrong no matter what."
@midgetydeath Man, don't even waste your time... Your point was clear as crystal.... Jocks just believes every different opinion is sexism nowadays...
In wonder woman men weren't dumbed down just to empower Diana, they were shown to be perfectly capable of doing hard things, plan and execute and Diana still was standing out among them, meanwhile CPT marvel had to dumb down men and show them as douchebags just to show off carol
fax, and since fake feminists love that, they try to defend that movie😂 Wonder Woman 2017 set the standard for female led superhero movies imo
The scene where Wonder Woman steps into No Man's Land and everyone is surprised was epic.
The scene where Captain Marvel punches her way out of the ship was *yawn*
During the No Man's Land scene, Steve says no MAN can cross it. He emphasizes the word "Man" as if the movie was intentionally setting up the "i am no Man" line. Instead she says "No, but it's what im going to do."Because its not about who she is, its about what she does.
that scene reminded me why I dont like superhero movies :D Its so incredibly stupid it hurts my brain. They made it seem like on western front it was all about courage that soldiers lacked. It was called no mans land because it was slaughter house. Mines and barbed wire. Artillery barrages that lasted days, machine guns everywhere. In real world, both sides needed hundreds of soldiers to capture few dozen meters of trenches. But no, here comes a superhero with small shield that deflects bullets from all sides and crosses. Its an insult.
@@Kubqo95 Not to be rude but maybe you didnt grasp the concept of the movie well with that headache. She didnt even cross no man's land, in fact, she couldn't even have crossed it by herself as she was pinned down by the machine gun and would have been killed by the artillery. She provided the small opening of drawing all the fire with her incredible reflexes and Amazonian armor so that the Germans could be flanked. Its a superhero movie so if you cant suspend disbelief for the duration of the movie then superhero movies definitely arent your thing.
@@linkheroofhyrule9364 I just watched that scene again. She was running whole time, stopped for a while and ran again. Noone was stopping her. Also even if those few soldiers ran out of trenches, this is western front. Soldiers needed few days of prior artillery barrages to even try to attack the trenches. Trenches on western front were so thick and well prepared that it was impossible to do this. If it was like 1914 okay it sometimes happened that garrison was caught offguard and overran but this is fking 1917 or 1918, front on the west didnt move for past 3 years, deffenses that both sides had at this point were just insane. To me it just looks like insulting attempt to look heroic and cool. It seems like all that these soldiers needed was little bit of courage to charge enemies. Im sorry but its just stupid.
@@Kubqo95 Bruh, I've seen plane movies that deal with terrorist attacks that show a Boeing 747 is the plane yet the interior is an Airbus A340. Ive seen movies that feature armed security guards in places that wouldnt normally have contracted armed security. Ive seen actors load and clean handguns incorrectly because the wrong type of gun is not portrayed. These are also movies that dont feature superheroes. So if you cant suspend disbelief knowing that every movie Hollywood makes has to have some kind of disbelief even if its nonfiction because the audience wouldnt know the difference, then you are one ignorant fool to think otherwise. Hollywood doesnt bother with credibility and if you look towards movies for credibility, then you are worse than an ignorant fool.
Yeah, during the whole movie, i felt like that Carol was more acting like a Terminator than a human.
Of course you would act like yourself if you had no idea who you were too.
T-X (AKA The Feminator).
She is hybrid, right?
She is just not human anymore
You'd act that way too if your memories were scrambled and you had been brainwashed by a totalitarian society for years..
Just throwing this out there. Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor were awesome strong female lead characters before there was a need to prove it.
Anjelina Jolie too
Micheal Rodriguez is something else too
Now it's just "I'm a woman, look at me, I'm soo special. Teehee" followed by a sailor moon pose. Then "Love me or I'll me2 you!" With a demonic voice.
In a time where testosterone-filled male characters were the norm, ellen Ripley was a friggin badass on her own. She didn't need any social pandering to stand on her own and save the day, she was relatable even to men ("I made a promise" / "I've seen this shit allready") and that's why i really hold her high.
And i am a toxic white male, so fruck me, right?
YES!!! Exactly.
@@TheMygoran As far as I can tell, the issue isn't with strong female characters, it is when stories are written with blatant efforts to push an agenda. And it seems not enough to put women out front, there have to be movies/shows that prove to be better with women in place of men. See the new "Batwoman" series. "It will be... when it's fits a woman." Are you serious?
They could make a sequel about her quick to battle mentality actually doing more damage than good. Could even have her attack a group of people who are actually doing good because she was told they were the bad guys or something like that; so she has to think before she judges, otherwise she could get someone killed with her power. This could be a very powerful message when you think about how people with influence can often times do something to damage people, like how psychics have caused the death of people with their “mystic power” being an alternative to actual medical help.
lol, "Malekith the Accuser" I see what you did there
That was not intentional, it's just that the narrator is DUMB.
@@LegendaryLife No, it's intentional, it's jabbing at Marvel's forgettable villains, similarly how he calls Jude Law's character just jude law, and not Yon-Rogg.
Why did he call Steppenwolf, disciple of dormamu that?
@@LegendaryLife It's the same reason he spliced in clips of Incubus whenever he talked about Steppenwolf - he was implying that all of these characters are interchangeable, disposable, forgettable villains.
@@LegendaryLife you're just too dumb to understand the joke
Captain Marvel's flaws: Script. The character never grows. No character arc.
Combine that with the fact that Larson is kind of a bitch and... well... lol.
also the actress was meh looking, wonder woman actress was super hot
@@leno7492 she's beautiful and powerful it fucking works
what, you didn't see the growth? her growth was realizing how wrong everyone was who acted like she needed to grow in any way
Shaheed Malik you left out a ton of flaws
My issue is that Jude Law's character is that he isn't a villain. What does he tell her? "Use your head", "Don't rely on you powers as a crutch", "Beat me without using your powers", none of these are villainous things... they are actually really good advice...
Well, supressing her powers and emotions is part of what keeps her brainwashed. And Jude Law does want an effective stormtrooper out of the deal.
@@Carabas72 sooooo in other words, right words but wrong motive.
@@deltafall4776
No, just a gaslighting asshole. Wrong everything.
for real
He didn't want her to discover her full powers. Carol was also human, not Kree. Jude Law would always have an advantage, if she kept her powers in check.
I spit out my drink when the Mission Impossible intro switched to the recorder.
Above all.. Wonder Women has freaking Badass Background Score that will haunt for the rest of your life
Wonder woman?
Honestly I hate dc but that score is in my top 3 superhero scores
@@granthurkin5778 If you had said you hate Marvel guess you'd be bashed
I dont even remember any soundtrack from captain marvel...did this shit even have soundtrack, anyone?
@@danksarumanoflotr1 It had a bunch of pointless,irrelevant 90s pop songs.
He got me bailing at the Tom cruise/ Brie Larson stunt montage 😂
LOL same. How can she compare herself with TOM CRUISE!
@@nasasjanitor994 Actually the interviewer compared her to Tom Cruise first, she didn't
@@neetaagarwal5255 no it wasn't the interviewer, it was Hemsworth he tried teasing her jokingly by comparing with Tom cruise when she said I did all my stunts. To which she condescendingly replied she will be the next herself, thank you VERY much!
the shitty flute edit of the Mission Impossible theme was genius
Up to now, I've thought that Brie Larson was getting a bit of a bum rap in terms of her off-screen "antics". But this annoyed me:
Chris Hemsworth: "*unintelligible* Tom Cruise at the end." (with regards to her doing her own stunts like Tom Cruise)
Brie Larson: "No, I'm a be the first 'me', not the next Tom Cruise, thank you VERY much."
Note Chris and Don Cheadle's facial expressions afterwards in reaction to what she says.
Chris paid her a complement, comparing her to Tom Cruise who not only does his own stunts, but has done stunts MUCH better than anything Brie Larson has done. She chose to snidely treat his complement as an insult. That was being mean to Chris (trying to turn him into the bad guy when he was being nice) and disrespectful of what Tom Cruise has accomplished in terms of stunts.
I wouldn't take being compared to Tom Bloody Cruise as a compliment. But you kind of miss the bigger point that these promotion "interviews" aren't serious and basically just friendly banter.
particularly when she didn't do her own stunts.
@@Carabas72 Seriously? The man is a legend. Sure, hes mind controlled by a cult, but he seems like a genuinely decent person, has an incredible work ethic, and makes fun movies. Plus hes a god of stunt work. Also: You should rewatch the interview. Theres genuine animosity between Larson, Hemsworth and Cheadle. They actively do NOT like her.
@@MichaelNNY
I have watched the interview. It's not tongue in cheek, it's tongue poking through gory hole in cheeck. All involved are having a laugh. And some dumbass fanatics insist on taking it all deadly serious.
@@Carabas72 well it depends on how you read people. The banter that's usually between the marvel cast is not the same as the interview with Chris, brie, and Don. I'm not saying they hate her, but it definitely seems like some of the things she says doesn't click with them
The goal of wonder woman was to make a good film whereas the goal of captain marvel was to make a female lead film to outshine the male lead ones
I only watched Captain Marvel because it was marketed as an important puzzle piece to understanding End Game and how they would defeat Thanos. I assumed she was the one possibility Doctor Strange saw... But she was barely in that movie 🙄.
But in her screen time, she saved Tony and Nebula, helped them kill current Thanos, and destroyed past Thanos' ship which would have destroyed ALL of the Avengers. You don't need to be in every scene to be important and effective.
@@kristie9144 Read in the subtitles: She should be barely there so she can't ruin the movie, so let's give her some background tasks and maybe 30 seconds of limelight.
@@kristie9144 But here is the thing, what she does could do it whatever other character, i think just make do that because she "NEEDS" to be in the movie, whit and whiteout her the movie could work.
It was click advertising bait
Gugulethu Mbatha ya which helped me out because i skipped that and when i watched end game I was not lost where as in infinity war i was lost because i didn’t watch guardians of the galaxy yet
Wonder Woman- A Character that understands that she's human like everyone else, and makes mistakes.
Captain Marvel- Me am bestest woman out there. Me am best Marvel hero.
WW is a demi-god but I get what you are trying to say
And yet, the dislikes of this video are SJW MCU haters who just love to defend CEU films of the mid-2010s (Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad) like they’re misunderstood masterpieces. >:(
@@kieranstark7213 why would they dislike it tho?
@@kake2978 Because they’re part of the “Filmento is a misogynistic, hypocritical white man for ever thinking Alita Battle Angel is more empowering than Charlie’s Angels 2019, Men in Black International and Bayformers 2 & 5” bandwagon.
@@kieranstark7213 why would the dislikes be mcu haters
"The only real and satisfying victories are the ones you have to struggle for."
Just like real life.
And this moral applies to all genders.
Very true.
Amen.
Did you just deduce the meaningfulness of anal sex?
@@lonestarr1490 (eye roll) Not into that bro. But you are welcome to interpret it that way. XD You do you.
@@lonestarr1490 Well, let my tell ya' cuz it doesn't get any more struggle than that... or so the friend of a friend says.
The tom cruise edit to the Brie Larson stunts had me dead
they just made captain marvel movie so someone can save tony stark from space.
even without the captain marvel movie, tony stark being saved by space karen would still work in endgame story-wise
You could have another character to do that, a well established one at that too. That way, the rescue could hold more emotionality rather than some asspull to make Space Karen looks like Space Jesus.
Yondu friends could do that, they could be searching for the Guardinas post snap and detected a distress beacon ou something like that. Is much more plausible than Captain Marvel flying by beyond speed of light and eyeballing a spaceship in the middle of nowhere in the vastness of space.
Iron man could have found an empty broken space ship and foxed it with nebula and gotten home🤔
@@zeitgeist9977 "space karen" lmao! 💀💀💀
"DC did it better." Well that's a sentence I havent heard in a while.
In terms of movies Marvel usually is better but everything else DC is better
Going forward, we might see a shift.
@@rakwraithraiser7315 sadly true
"DC did it better" has been the default sentence on all platforms except on live action movies where they just catastrophically fail but their newer movies are getting better.
Although I would say that the best superhero movie ever was done by DC, namely The Dark Knight
Honestly captain marvel was just really unlikable, like to the point quite it was easy to hate her
Yep, even in comics she's a douche bag cause she's one of the strongest avengers and will not take a no for an answer (she beat Tony into coma and didn't even felt any remorse). Also they didn't gave props to the original Captain Marvel, like the progenitor didn't even exist in the first place. I mean their Heroes have almost the same beginning stories (Thor, Hulk, Ironman, etc.), but not her.
Her movie is too plain and kinda boring and kinda predictable because of her powers
@@kurtjustiniani1354 that could be an interesting character trait if it was used in a better way, because she's the total opposite of a lot of the avengers. She kills her enemies without remorse ( Tony Stank ) she is powerful but not humble ( Thor ) she doesn't worry about the consequences of using her powers for no reason ( The Hulk ) she was always powerful and she was never a good person ( Captain America )
I'm surprised she didn't alienate the entire Marvel Universe yet
It shouldnt be the case that a huge section of fans can audibly cheer when Thanos punches one of the heroes. I was one of them.
Wonder Woman was so much better. The second movie wasn’t bad either. Diana gets further character development. She lets go of Steve for good, giving up what she wants most for the good of others and to save the world. She feels empathy toward her friend turned enemy and still refused to kill her in the end but does incapacitate her, and she is able to convince the world to let go of their selfish desires in order to save the world. She didn’t kill anyone as she always values human life, even if they’re ‘evil’ and tries to talk them down first before fighting. She’s flawed, she needs her team and her friends to help her. She has limitations. She’s at a level we ordinarily people can relate to. She fails at times. She’s not perfect. She’s not indestructible. She has weaknesses. We watch her grow as a person and develop. The actress is pretty cool too. 🙂
Wonder Woman 1984 was a disaster! Everyone here is complaining about Carol Danvers being overpowered, but Wonder Woman picked up way more powers in the sequel, like flying, and making anything invisible.
Wonder Woman's power level is really inconsistent, and varies between being an almost peer match for Superman, to struggling to take on a group of human attackers. Also, what is Wonder Woman's "Kryptonite"? She just always seems to be barely stronger than whoever she's fighting, no matter their powers.
@@PlugInRides Steve is her kryptonite. And she can’t fly, she can only harness lightning. No lightning, no ‘flying’. The writers had to figure out how to figure the old time famous invisible jet into her story arch so they came up with the ancient spell idea. Carol Danvers is another Mary Sue like the new Star Wars character Rey. People don’t tend to like those types of stories. They can’t identify with them. I certainly don’t. Rey’s character doesn’t fail. She unexplainably can fight and win a battle with a lightsaber on her very first time ever holding one against a trained Sith apprentice. Like.....What? Many fans reject the three new Star Wars movies for this and many other reasons. Luke Skywalker was so much more relatable and likable as a character.
@@rachelhoyle5728 If you rewatch the very end of Wonder Woman 1984, just after the Christmas scene, where she runs into the guy that provided Steve's body, and before the credits, Diana is full out flying in a clear blue sky (no lasso or lightning needed).
As for whether Carol Danvers is a Mary Sue, the movie clearly establishes Danvers as a bad ass pilot, who becomes superpowered by the Tesseract. She doesn't realize her true powers, because the Kree suppress them. She nonetheless goes through years of intensive Kree warrior training, earning her position on the elite Star Force strike team. Captain Marvel is about Carol discovering her true history, her humanity, and finally being allowed to tap into her full power. We also see her struggle in the beginning, and get captured by the Skrulls.
I could just as easily argue that Wonder Woman is more of a Mary Sue. She also doesn't realize the true extent of her innate powers, because the people around her kept her origin hidden from her. Diana easily wins almost every fight, and quickly adapts to the "modern" world of 1917. Somehow, despite living on a secluded island, Diana is able to speak every language, including the ones of Native Americans. Mary Sue, indeed!
the second movie wasn't really bad at character development and plot. I actually liked it. but the reason why it was boring and bad was the lack of action and some of the scenes just made no sense at all. especially the plane scene because it would run out of fuel while flying, why is it even able to fly when it was in the museum, how did Steve even knew how to fly it.
The fact that Wonder Woman wasnt so overpowering. She actually struggled. I felt like the Captain Marvel Movie was just pointless if she destroyed her enemies with one blow
Even Saitama from One punch man have a better story arc them Captain Marvel
The fact that he can kill people with 1 punch but people downgrade him te be a noob in rank as beaing a cheaster proof they dont respect him got or get earned wat he should have. the moment when he tells his story how strong he become still they think he lie and is a fake story to hide his own.
But his story is will good explanned
True that
One-punch-girl :)
and that's a clear symptom of a terribly written character, aka mary sue or gary stu
they have everything handed to them, face very little struggle or their journey presents barely any obstacles
@@michaelfox1432 minus all the charisma and humor
"The only memorable victories are the one's you have to struggle for..."💪Well said!
No wonder Saitama is so bored of life.
I wish companies would stop telling me who my role models are and simply just make a good female super hero who I myself can make my role model
That's why Captain Shit failed miserably with the audience.
LMAOOO the sad recorder version of the mission impossible music when she's doing "stunts" 😂
She better not ever diss Tom Cruise like that again.
"I'lL bE tHe NeXt Me! ThAnK yOu verrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy muuuuuuuuccccchhhhh~"
😒sure. We saw your stunt double. And your butt double. Stfu.
I think she was dishing out some "feminist justice" because HOW DARE YOU SAY I'M TRYING TO BE LIKE A MAN.
@@Xentrolis Even if that man has been doing it for decades to the point where it's almost unbelieable the stuff he gest to do.
The other two was shocked and cringed to hear her say am gonna be the next me lol
brie is a bitch
When I watched Captain Marvel with my parents, the only scene I found interesting in the movie was all the scenes where the cat was in. My mom said the movie was kinda boring and just wasn't interesting. While my dad just sleeps throughout the whole movie. When we watched Wonder Woman back in 2017, my mom and dad seemed really interested, including me. My dad even ate all the pop corn, well atleast that's what I remembered he did. Yesterday, because we were in quarantine, I searched up something to watch on Netflix. I saw the Wonder Woman movie, so I decided to watch it again, and to no surprise my mom and dad went to watch it with me. Now to be honest I don't like rewatching movies neither do my parents, but for Wonder Woman, I can watch over and over again.
Same here I can watch wonder Woman again and again 🙅♀️💕
Mine are : cat scenes, her flying through ships and Samuel Jackson
Your parents were eaten by a demon
@@shrekspacito6944 no you
@@Macndcheese It's a reference to her profile pic.
Marvel should have made the Black Widow movie years ago. Instead, we got Captain Marvel.
You mean Captain Feminist.
Who is captain marvel? You meant shazam?
exactly she had a cool backstory too
What super powers does Black Widow have?
@@sosomelodies659 she doesn't. The's highly trained, has cool gadgets, and an interesting story. In that way, she's like Batman.
Now I officially declare that I am subscribed to this channel to the end of times* *unless you stop making this wonderful videos
"the only real satisfying and memorable victories are the one you have to fight and struggle for"
Ain't that the truth
Play pokemon.
Fight Champion with Mewtwo and Ho-oh.
Win easily.
Bored now.
Play pokemon.
Fight Champion with com-mons I picked up during journey.
Final pokemon (Sandslash) wins with a rock slide.
"Ha! In your face you fucking prick! You ain't got shit Lance!"
Wonder Woman: Badass
Well liked
A great example of a good character
Is a demi god but still has weaknesses
Not a Mary Sue
Works together with her team
Has flaws and a good arc
Captain Marvel:
Has the personality of cardboard
Overly confident
No character arc
Literal God with no weaknesses
Tries to do all the work on her own, like that kid in your group project
Not a good example of a good character.
@@e.mcipher1427 Not to mention just arrogant and unlikable
Wonder woman is how you get people to accept and like a female superhero
Captain is how Not to do that and make things just look forced. No one has ever been able to make an OP superhero even the slightest bit likable
Except for One Punchman
@@pink_alligator or Goku or any OP character from the Dragon Ball franchise
If they make an overpowered character, atleast make them likeable. I know she only has 1 movie but it only took Iron Man 1 for us to love Tony.
I recall the WW2 film doing bad. A Gal Gadot is retiring from playing wonderwoman. Gal's acting isn't great at all.
You what makes acting incredible is that it can be whatever you want to be, like no one on earth really has the same personality. Some people don't share much emotions in troublesome scenarios.
Everyone liked Gal because she was attractive and nostalgia (since there was no ww movie) so when one finally aired everyone including Lydna Carter fans showed up. Shit LC still looks like ww without trying.
Imagine if instead of ironman being captured he started off with the iron man suit, wasn't funny, and just got more powerful as the movie went on, but the villains were kept at the same caliber. That'd be this movie. She starts off as a powerful asshole, becomes a more powerful asshole, and then finishes on an anticlimax.
Nicholas Obviouslyfakelastnamebecauseprivacy That’s basically Captain Marvel, an arrogant, overpowered girl.
Azn8r0wneyzs1 or you can say she acts like a spoiled rich kid
I didn't get that from the movie at all.
@@anitabonghit7606
Well, just hit the bong a little less and next time you'll get it. ;-)
Guess you fell asleep during the parts where it was all CLEARLY EXPLAINED.
I think another issue Captain Marvel is that her personality or worldview doesn’t really change in her story. Her personality is that she’s sarcastic, scrappy, and emotionally guarded. She is like that at the start of the movie and like that at the end. Despite the fact that she is told to restrain herself emotionally and focus we never really see that factor in. She enjoys fighting, she cares about Yon-Rogg. Her only restraints are circumstantial.
Wonder Woman learns and grows from her experience.
God that Tom cruise moment was savage
very Savage
Are you in 2012 cause saying savage is retarded
@Flight badass sick or cool
Snowy “are you in 2012” “says retarded and sick” hmmmm
Wonder Woman was a story that happened to have a female lead. Captain Marvel was a vanity piece to show a female character that is more powerful than anyone else.
Boom. Everyone kept going on about Captain Marvel and girl power- and completely forgot about movies like Terminator and Alien. You don't need to make the girl all super powerful, unbeatable and the mostest powerfullest person in the universe to make people like the movie.
I feel like they just needed a fast story to introduce her so it would "make sense" for her to appear in endgame.
When I watched the film I felt the writing was disappointingly by-the-numbers at times, and the problems cited in this video, to me, are more likely the result of that than some insidious agenda. Otherwise you're left with people calling the MCU SJW-pandering with just one female-led movie in over twenty, which does not sound right at all.
Daniel Appleton To me letting Wonder Woman off the hook just because she’s already famous still carries sexist undertones.
I mostly have problems with a lot of these movies getting criticisms that center around race and gender, especially when movies with white male leads are exempt from such criticisms. I may admittedly be on a slippery slope here, but I don’t like this outrage culture one bit.
@@lfevery14661 there are many movies with all powerful male characters, and one-man army characters. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Stallone got many of those.
The Alien and Terminator movies have wonderful female heroes but doesn't mean there can't be variety.
There are all sort of male heroes which include the too cool for school, stronger than everyone characters and it's no problem.
It's silly to limit female heroes to one character type.
"The only real satisfying and memorable victories are the ones you have to fight and struggle for", well said, very well said.
I'm writing this down
What that guy said in captain marvel, about using your brain not your emotions was absolutely the correct thing to say and the correct theme, not being your inner self. Because your inner self is a demon
What I liked best about Wonder Woman was that I was inspired to be a better human being, to believe that even though people can suck, we can also be brave and virtuous and do incredible things. Captain Marvel was empty in that regard.
But people don't really suck! An ancient greek god is controlling them, so it's all good!
Exactly! After WW i had some kind of inspiration, during CM I had my little laughs and... That's it :)))
@@codec6979 People are not nice and goody goody either. Step out in the real world. Observe. And think. You will feel uncomfortable to know humanity is pretty pathetic. Be honest about human nature. And you would know.
@@codec6979 Actualy, ares didnt controled anibody in WW.
It is as if they are two COMPLETELY different individuals or something...
"You're too emotional." Is that why she shows the emotional range of a tuba?
As a tuba player, I take offense to that
@@halwk6797 I said the emotional range, not the musical range
@@MurasakiTsukimaru I understood what you meant, but I could absolutely convey more emotion playing tuba than she shows.
@@halwk6797 True but the tuba on it's own is just one constant O face
Please, she makes a brick look emotive.
I dont think the problem was with Captain Marvel being overpowered. Wonder Women is also extremely powerful.
But *Diana* is a likeable, down-to-earth, flawed human being who grows as the movie continues.
WW also did much better at drawing you in emotionally
But Marvel is overpowered if she can easily destroy a single ship, take on armies single-handily all the while being cuffed
Cause even when Diana is a goddess , she is human and her emotions are part of who she is...
CaptainCherryz But think about how powerful an infinity stone is. It sorta makes sense. Wanda and Vision are also both miles above the others in terms of sheer power. Honestly, Thor is too.
I personally didn’t like the whole “so overpowered I can defeat Thanos by myself” thing she had going on. Defeats the whole point of the Avengers being a *team* who’s individual strengths account for others weaknesses.
But that wasn’t the part of the /movie/ I didn’t like. The whole thing just seemed so subpar and the only things I got excited about were 1) baby agent Coulson and 2) the cat
Diana is strong, but she's not invincible. Bullets can harm her. Captain Marvel can shrug off any attack and never at any point struggles against any opponent. She's definitely overpowered. It's not the main problem of the film, but it's a problem nonetheless.
Exactly. the more apt comparison imo would be to Superman. Superman is kind and caring towards everyone, he isn't the all that relatable but he is an inspiration for everyone to strive towards so we can all be kind and caring individuals. Captain Marvel is smug, proud and casual AND overpowered
Wonder Woman was about a character's growth, their struggles, and who they are, and it just so turns out she's a woman and this is important for the story (a story had many positive messages that resonated with young girls). Captain Marvel was so fixated on making her a strong female character, they forgot about making her a character in the first place.